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那內政部應該是其中一個嘛所以我覺得這個部分既然是假訊息的話應該就要想辦法尤其是針對內政部的臉書好 我了解我們把這個訊息把它抽掉好了好"},{"start":480.336,"end":500.569,"text":"那另外就是針對就是這個有媒體的報導就是說內政部有發函給這個一個直轄市的這個警政單位內容直接寫到說114年度的經濟名利任務這個編組訓練服務中程的計畫剛剛也很多的委員跟部長這個詢問過那其實這個函文"},{"start":503.931,"end":524.648,"text":"我想應該不會只發函給一個直轄市嗎是發函給各縣市是嗎報告委員我跟你講這個真的不是內政部發函出去的那上面寫內政部這是授權授權那內政部的部長是誰我們在1月9號的時候我們的警政署已經有發了新聞資料已經否認這些事情是由警政署發的那請問有沒有這個"},{"start":525.729,"end":538.083,"text":"這個有沒有這個公文裡面有內容有提到說希望這個有壯闊台灣黑熊學院等這些團體可以辦練各項的訓練課程第一個因為這個是用密件所以我們沒有辦法把這個公文公開那請問部長"},{"start":540.546,"end":562.603,"text":"為什麼要用命檢?是要怎麼戒不得光的時間嗎?我覺得不是這樣子你們都把兩件事情混合在一起第一個所有的預算我們一定按照預算法來執行這是第一個然後第二個他是寫到報告說例如黑熊學院跟壯闊台灣但是我們上任之後從來沒有這件事情"},{"start":563.163,"end":581.667,"text":"那所以警政署放出去的部分我們要就那現在我們三讀都還沒通過你當然不可能有這樣子的一個計畫在執行所以說這個部分尤其是為什麼要指名這兩個單位為什麼要舉例這兩個單位我真的不清楚報告委員我真的被稱呼的部長是您吧沒有我真的不清楚所以部長我覺得您要有擔當您要去了解清楚為什麼要這樣的一個狀況我們已經發出去澄清稿了"},{"start":593.11,"end":603.261,"text":"陳青稿是說這樣寫 可是你不覺得那樣的公文就是暗示縣市政府甚至是民視縣市政府 你要找這些單位如果你要辦公室業 你要爭取經費的話可能用這兩個單位比較容易爭取到這樣就有一個民視跟暗示的作用那為什麼其他單位都不寫 而只寫這兩個單位我覺得部長 您必須要查清楚"},{"start":613.812,"end":639.004,"text":"我們的警政同仁寫這個評論造成很大的誤解我可以先增加抱歉但是未來我們一定按照預算法的執行規則如果沒有依法的話這些警政的同仁他自己要擔負責任部長我想今天你在這邊公開宣示我們也會這個努力的監督因為這樣子的一個方式用明示暗示的方式而且用密件的方式讓我們跟密件完全沒有關係那我想這個部分我們看到的就是這個樣子"},{"start":639.824,"end":663.482,"text":"那希望部長真的這部分我覺得不要看到黑影就開槍這不是看到黑影就開槍因為其實這是從去年的九月來發函雖然新聞寫11月其實是去年九月就發函那針對這部分為什麼這個訊息會流出來就可想而知大家都會覺得說這是一個非常不當的舉例尤其是要暗示民視所以我們已經要求要澄清"},{"start":666.804,"end":672.951,"text":"我們已經要求要澄清這個澄清之外我們覺得要嚴格的我們會嚴格的把關絕對不能有這樣的一個方式我們會嚴格執行預算法應該有的規定謝謝部長"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2025-01-13T13:03:05.299000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T13:03:05.639000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，請劉世芳部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-01-13T13:03:05.639000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T13:03:05.699000+08:00","text":"請劉部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2025-01-13T13:03:05.819000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T13:03:05.839000+08:00","text":"許委員好。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2025-01-13T13:03:05.859000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T13:03:05.879000+08:00","text":"部長好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2025-01-13T13:03:06.399000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T13:04:01.285000+08:00","text":"今天我們要討論地制法，根據內政部的報告，並沒有明確指出同意修法與否，中央政府一直強調我們的服務應該與時俱進，應該追求效率、開放、透明、擴大參與，所以在希望這樣的服務能夠躍升的要求之下，這次我們所提出來的，希望直轄市有三位副市長，及縣市有兩位副縣長，目的就是為了完成政府能夠透明治理、服務躍升的革新，所以當地方政府都戮力地想要把服務做好做滿時，當然就必須要有相對應的預算跟能力，針對這部分，請問部長有什麼看法？","quality":0.763},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2025-01-13T13:04:02.366000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T13:04:18.602000+08:00","text":"如果委員只提到增加副市長或副縣長，其實我們大家都不會反對，但是我希望可以把增加的原因或增加的規劃講清楚、說明白，然後變成是一個未來可長久使用的規定，譬如人口變動，不是只有250萬，400萬的要不要跟著變動？","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2025-01-13T13:04:18.602000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T13:04:19.483000+08:00","text":"因為目前的提案只有一個250萬……","quality":1},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2025-01-13T13:04:19.483000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-13T13:04:25.909000+08:00","text":"所以部長是贊成這個樣子嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2025-01-13T13:04:25.909000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T13:04:28.811000+08:00","text":"沒有，我提到了，因為如果是有條件式的贊成，跟有條件式的不贊成……","quality":0.741},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2025-01-13T13:04:29.091000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T13:04:35.176000+08:00","text":"剛剛你也提到過，針對這個部分，你們有問過縣市的意見，大部分的縣市都是贊成，所以我希望……","quality":0.579},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2025-01-13T13:04:35.516000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T13:04:38.878000+08:00","text":"直轄市的部分是兩個支持，四個沒意見。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2025-01-13T13:04:41.440000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T13:04:44.502000+08:00","text":"兩個支持，四個沒意見，那就代表全部都同意……","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2025-01-13T13:04:44.502000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-13T13:04:45.903000+08:00","text":"對，但這只有詢問他們的人事單位。","quality":0.071},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2025-01-13T13:04:45.903000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T13:05:00.880000+08:00","text":"我想這個部分，剛剛部長也有提到，需要大家一起共同來釐清到底要怎麼做，我覺得這個可以討論，而今天做這樣的詢答，最主要就是要讓各部會，尤其是內政部知道。","quality":0.925},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2025-01-13T13:05:01.220000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T13:05:39.021000+08:00","text":"其實針對這個部分，之前外交部就曾為了讓我們國人的政經關係跟人脈關係可以協助他們在駐地推廣外交，修法增設了10名政務公使，所以既然是為了提升效率、增加服務，即使現在邦交國從22個變成12個，但還是一樣有這麼多的政務公使，所以針對這個部分，我們認為如果有需要的話，希望不只外交部可以，縣市長也可以為了提升服務來增加副手。","quality":0.887},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2025-01-13T13:05:39.622000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T13:05:42.925000+08:00","text":"也很高興聽到部長並不反對，只是希望討論要如何處理。","quality":0.696},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2025-01-13T13:05:43.686000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T13:06:24.357000+08:00","text":"另外，我們看到這幾年地方事務其實是越來越多，從102年的1兆261.9億到113年增加到1兆4,941億，歲出幅度已經增加45%，而且在財劃法修正通過後，地方政府的業務量勢必也會再增加，針對這個部分，我們也覺得首長必須要有輔佐人力，才能提升他的決策效率，這部分部長剛剛也已經講過了，你贊同讓地方有更多副手可以協助工作，但要如何處理，我們也希望大家儘快取得一個共識，看要怎麼樣來修法。","quality":0.855},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2025-01-13T13:06:24.598000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T13:06:45.812000+08:00","text":"第二點想請教部長的是，上次質詢時，針對內政部的臉書我有提出質詢，內政部的臉書上提到：抱歉，以下這些計畫，我們被迫要削減了！","quality":0.852},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2025-01-13T13:06:47.492000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T13:06:48.732000+08:00","text":"內容提到114年至少要刪減約283.5億元的支出，約占總額28%，才能夠打平收支。","quality":0.828},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2025-01-13T13:06:56.134000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T13:07:13.948000+08:00","text":"當時你告訴我會回去修正這個錯誤訊息，可是我現在在臉書上只看到你們多加了兩項補充說明，問題是我看不懂那個補充說明，而且上面一樣還是寫著：抱歉，以下這些計畫，我們被迫要削減了！","quality":0.772},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2025-01-13T13:07:14.608000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T13:07:17.471000+08:00","text":"部長，你還是堅持要請我們刪減掉283.5億元嗎？","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2025-01-13T13:07:22.073000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T13:07:29.579000+08:00","text":"我不清楚，我們按照許委員上次的建議，把要更正或補充的部分寫成補充說明……","quality":0.906},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2025-01-13T13:07:30.380000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T13:07:33.963000+08:00","text":"但是你往下看，還是：抱歉，以下這些計畫，我們被迫要削減！","quality":0.826},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2025-01-13T13:07:33.963000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-13T13:07:34.963000+08:00","text":"有社宅的、有新世代……","quality":0.125},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2025-01-13T13:07:34.683000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T13:07:37.165000+08:00","text":"許委員的建議是希望把這些弄掉，是不是？","quality":0.706},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2025-01-13T13:07:37.506000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T13:07:51.220000+08:00","text":"我的建議是，錯誤的訊息本來就該拿掉，如果是真的，即你還是覺得我們要刪減283.5億，當然今天是二輪提案的最後一天，我們也可以這樣提案；但如果部長認為這就是錯誤的訊息，我們沒有要刪減283.5億，那麼我是覺得這樣的錯誤訊息應該拿掉，可以嗎？","quality":0.891},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2025-01-13T13:07:57.147000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T13:08:01.169000+08:00","text":"所以許委員建議是，「抱歉，以下……」這些東西弄掉？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2025-01-13T13:08:01.209000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T13:08:02.430000+08:00","text":"因為那就是錯誤的訊息啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2025-01-13T13:08:02.550000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T13:08:10.233000+08:00","text":"現在假訊息不是都要馬上處理，那為什麼這個部分從那時候到現在都還是這樣？","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2025-01-13T13:08:11.494000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T13:08:14.996000+08:00","text":"就是說我們保留補充說明，但下面的部分要弄掉，是嗎？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2025-01-13T13:08:15.876000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T13:08:16.997000+08:00","text":"不好意思，我要弄清楚委員的……","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2025-01-13T13:08:18.218000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T13:08:27.964000+08:00","text":"請教部長，如果你覺得下面的這個補充，即我們要刪減283.5億元的支出，是個錯誤的訊息，本來就該拿掉啊！","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2025-01-13T13:08:27.964000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-13T13:08:28.964000+08:00","text":"委員，這樣好嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2025-01-13T13:08:28.905000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T13:08:38.952000+08:00","text":"我可不可以把那個補充說明的部分再弄清楚，就是說第一，今年度預算部分，按照114年的法定總預算進行。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2025-01-13T13:08:40.272000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T13:08:44.155000+08:00","text":"第二，未來年度總預算籌編……就是保留補充說明的部分，至於下面的這些……","quality":0.862},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2025-01-13T13:08:46.016000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T13:08:51.300000+08:00","text":"因為你這樣子放，會讓人家不知道到底哪個是真、哪個是假，這就有點像什麼你知道嗎？","quality":0.771},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2025-01-13T13:08:52.140000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T13:09:03.588000+08:00","text":"像是詐騙集團會利用什麼假警察、假書記官、假檢察官的方式，所以我們看到下面，就會不曉得哪個是真、哪個是假，這樣的方式我覺得很容易誤導民眾，我們認為這樣是在詐騙。","quality":0.845},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2025-01-13T13:09:03.868000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T13:09:05.029000+08:00","text":"了解，那我們再來修正。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2025-01-13T13:09:07.370000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T13:09:13.214000+08:00","text":"今天是提案的最後一天，如果等一下沒有馬上修正，那我們其實也會做相關的提案，如果部長堅持的話。","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2025-01-13T13:09:13.214000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T13:09:13.334000+08:00","text":"是，了解。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2025-01-13T13:09:15.655000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T13:09:44.683000+08:00","text":"到今天還有相關這樣的訊息，內政部已經帶頭……內政部是詐騙的主管機關，針對這樣的假訊息，一直沒有辦法撤掉，所以今天的二輪提案，因為我們對內政部這樣的一個宣傳方式非常沒有辦法認同，所以本席也會提案要求刪除內政部所有的宣傳經費1,192萬5,000元，部長，你覺得呢？","quality":0.902},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2025-01-13T13:09:50.915000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T13:09:58.718000+08:00","text":"這是委員的權力，對於我們做這樣的修正訊息，如果委員沒辦法滿意的話，我們回去會再補充。","quality":0.842},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2025-01-13T13:09:58.938000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T13:10:20.310000+08:00","text":"我想這不是我滿不滿意的問題，這是一般民眾都沒有辦法認同的方式，既然是不對的，本來就該修正，而不是放在那邊讓大家接收到這樣的錯誤訊息，包括村里長年終慰問金也是一樣，我看到很多民進黨委員一直在提因為財劃法通過，所以年終慰問金村里長可能領不到了，可是事實上，剛剛部長也講到1月17號就要發放了。","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2025-01-13T13:10:20.330000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T13:10:21.571000+08:00","text":"報告委員，我現在是在內政部服務，我不是在民進黨黨團服務，您剛剛所提到的部分我們已經用新聞稿發出去了，所以……","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2025-01-13T13:10:34.607000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T13:10:44.230000+08:00","text":"我只是要告訴部長，其實這樣的假訊息到處充斥，內政部是主管機關，內政部本來就該把這些假訊息……","quality":0.976},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2025-01-13T13:10:44.250000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T13:10:46.251000+08:00","text":"假訊息的主管機關還有很多其他單位，包括NCC或是數位發展部，如果你認為假訊息……","quality":0.389},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2025-01-13T13:10:46.571000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T13:10:47.231000+08:00","text":"對，內政部應該是其中一個嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2025-01-13T13:10:47.511000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T13:10:49.572000+08:00","text":"我覺得這個部分既然是假訊息的話，應該就要想辦法處理，尤其內政部的臉書，應該就是跟部長有關的。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2025-01-13T13:10:49.572000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T13:10:50.292000+08:00","text":"好，我了解，我們把這個訊息抽掉好了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2025-01-13T13:10:50.312000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T13:11:29.275000+08:00","text":"好，另外就是針對媒體的報導，說是內政部有發函給一個直轄市的警政單位，內容直接寫到114年度精進民力任務隊編組訓練服勤中程計畫，剛剛也有很多委員跟部長詢問過，我想這個函文應該不會只發函給一個直轄市，而是發函給各縣市是嗎？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2025-01-13T13:11:29.275000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T13:11:32.217000+08:00","text":"報告委員，這個真的不是內政部發函出去的，這是警政署……","quality":0.783},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2025-01-13T13:11:32.978000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T13:11:34.239000+08:00","text":"上面寫的是內政部，是你……","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2025-01-13T13:11:35.700000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T13:11:36.501000+08:00","text":"不是，這是授權。授權？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2025-01-13T13:11:36.501000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T13:11:38.262000+08:00","text":"那內政部的部長是你吧！","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2025-01-13T13:11:39.203000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T13:11:45.048000+08:00","text":"在1月9號的時候警政署已經發了新聞資料，已經否認這件事情，這是由警政署發的，這個公文是下授……","quality":0.775},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2025-01-13T13:11:45.428000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T13:11:47.390000+08:00","text":"請問有沒有這個公文？","quality":1},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2025-01-13T13:11:47.951000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T13:11:55.379000+08:00","text":"裡面的內容提到希望由壯闊台灣、黑熊學院等團體辦理各項訓練課程。","quality":0.862},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2025-01-13T13:11:55.960000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T13:11:58.923000+08:00","text":"第一個，因為這是用密件，所以我們也沒有辦法把這個公文公開……","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2025-01-13T13:11:58.923000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-13T13:11:59.923000+08:00","text":"報告委員，我剛剛已經提過了……","quality":0},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2025-01-13T13:11:59.063000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T13:12:02.046000+08:00","text":"請問部長，為什麼要用密件？","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2025-01-13T13:12:02.927000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T13:12:05.069000+08:00","text":"是有什麼見不得光的事嗎？","quality":0.636},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2025-01-13T13:12:05.069000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T13:12:08.011000+08:00","text":"報告委員，我覺得不是這樣子，你們都把兩件事情混合在一起。","quality":0.84},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2025-01-13T13:12:08.231000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T13:12:12.494000+08:00","text":"第一個，所有的預算，我們一定按照預算法來執行。","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2025-01-13T13:12:13.775000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T13:12:27.144000+08:00","text":"第二個，它是寫例如黑熊學院跟壯闊台灣，但是我們上任之後，從來沒有這件事情，所以對於警政署所發布出去的部分，我們要求……","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2025-01-13T13:12:27.144000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-13T13:12:29.904000+08:00","text":"部長，你剛剛講到114年的計畫對不對？","quality":0},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2025-01-13T13:12:29.904000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T13:12:37.706000+08:00","text":"現在我們都還沒三讀通過，你當然不可能有這樣子的計畫在執行，所以說這個部分，尤其是為什麼要指名這兩個單位，為什麼要舉例這兩個單位，有那麼多……","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2025-01-13T13:12:37.726000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T13:12:39.547000+08:00","text":"我真的不清楚，報告委員，我真的不清楚……","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2025-01-13T13:12:39.867000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T13:12:40.167000+08:00","text":"內政部的部長是你吧？","quality":0.556},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2025-01-13T13:12:40.207000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T13:12:40.967000+08:00","text":"沒有，我真的不清楚有這樣子的部分出去……","quality":0.471},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2025-01-13T13:12:40.987000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T13:12:42.387000+08:00","text":"內政部的部長是你，所以部長，我覺得你要有擔當，你要去了解清楚為什麼會有這樣的狀況……","quality":0.676},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2025-01-13T13:12:42.387000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T13:12:42.647000+08:00","text":"我講清楚了，而且我們已經發出澄清稿了。","quality":0.588},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2025-01-13T13:12:54.311000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T13:13:00.577000+08:00","text":"澄清稿是說這樣寫，可是你不覺得那樣的公文就是暗示縣市政府，甚至是明示縣市政府要找這些單位……","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2025-01-13T13:13:00.577000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-13T13:13:01.577000+08:00","text":"我們非常清楚的明示……","quality":0},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2025-01-13T13:13:01.118000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T13:13:03.400000+08:00","text":"如果你要辦這樣的訓練、要爭取經費的話，可能用這兩個單位比較容易爭取到，這樣就有明示跟暗示的作用。","quality":0.841},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2025-01-13T13:13:03.400000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-13T13:13:04.400000+08:00","text":"對不起，他們是外面的民間團體，他們不是單位……","quality":0},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2025-01-13T13:13:03.581000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T13:13:03.881000+08:00","text":"為什麼其他單位都不寫，而只寫這兩個單位？","quality":1},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2025-01-13T13:13:03.901000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T13:13:04.241000+08:00","text":"我覺得部長您必須要查清楚為什麼只指名這兩個單位？舉例……","quality":0.48},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2025-01-13T13:13:14.812000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-13T13:13:25.797000+08:00","text":"好，我們的警政同仁寫這個部分造成很大的誤解，我先跟大家道歉，但是未來我們一定按照預算法的執行規則，如果沒有依法的話，這些警政同仁自己要擔負責任。","qual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