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Kacaw委員：今天產業創新條例的修正，行政院版本有特別提到第十條之一，新增人工智慧及節能減碳項目。","quality":0.731},{"speaker":null,"start":"2025-01-15T09:43:12.627000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T09:43:32.995000+08:00","text":"人工智慧的部分，如果未來三讀通過這個修正條文，產業創新條例是第一個有「人工智慧」這4個字用詞的法律。","quality":0.864},{"speaker":null,"start":"2025-01-15T09:43:38.018000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T09:43:58.834000+08:00","text":"國科會在113年7月15日預告「人工智慧基本法」草案，從去年的7月15日預告60天，後來並沒有送到行政院，行政院也還沒有送到立法院。","quality":0.959},{"speaker":null,"start":"2025-01-15T09:44:01.296000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T09:44:15.828000+08:00","text":"人工智慧基本法裡面當然有人工智慧的定義，現在產業創新條例沒有定義，所以這是一個需要考量的部分。","quality":1},{"speaker":null,"start":"2025-01-15T09:44:17.763000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T09:44:23.608000+08:00","text":"為什麼人工智慧基本法預告，然後沒有送行政院？","quality":1},{"speaker":null,"start":"2025-01-15T09:44:23.928000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T09:44:26.570000+08:00","text":"我不知道行政院有沒有審查，我不清楚，至少沒有送到立法院。","quality":0.88},{"speaker":null,"start":"2025-01-15T09:44:29.252000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T09:45:07.816000+08:00","text":"台灣人權促進會特別針對人工智慧基本法的草案發表了一篇文章，而且是在預告之前就提出了這樣的疑慮，有很多的疑慮，我只是摘錄了部分台灣人權促進會針對人工智慧基本法所關心的，是不是因為這個，所以後來行政院沒有送來，我不清楚。","quality":0.931},{"speaker":null,"start":"2025-01-15T09:45:08.956000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T09:45:33.273000+08:00","text":"我要說的是，因為今天並沒有國科會的官員在這邊，所以國發會或是經濟部對於把人工智慧納進去，基本上是要擴大、增加它的項目，然後要給予相關的協助。","quality":0.906},{"speaker":null,"start":"2025-01-15T09:45:35.916000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T09:45:51.723000+08:00","text":"當然，這個部分是我們的法律沒有跟上，事實上人工智慧在相關的推動上都在做，國發會知道你們有相關人工智慧的法規嗎？","quality":0.961},{"speaker":"高副主任委員仙桂","start":"2025-01-15T09:45:55.853000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T09:45:58.335000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，我想人工智慧是五大信賴產業之一，當然，基本法的話……","quality":0.556},{"speaker":null,"start":"2025-01-15T09:45:58.475000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T09:45:59.876000+08:00","text":"鄭天財Sra 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Kacaw委員：也是依產業創新條例第九條第二項授權你們訂的那個辦法，那個辦法裡面有提到，你們法規名稱就有提到人工智慧。","quality":0.77},{"speaker":"高副主任委員仙桂","start":"2025-01-15T09:46:24.492000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T09:46:33.495000+08:00","text":"我想人工智慧是一個名詞，它可以出現在不同的法令裡面，剛才委員問的是人工智慧的法規……","quality":0.974},{"speaker":null,"start":"2025-01-15T09:46:33.495000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-15T09:46:34.975000+08:00","text":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：現在是第一個，法律是第一個。","quality":0.24},{"speaker":"高副主任委員仙桂","start":"2025-01-15T09:46:34.975000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T09:46:37.075000+08:00","text":"對，人工智慧基本法應該是第一個。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":null,"start":"2025-01-15T09:46:37.075000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T09:46:38.256000+08:00","text":"鄭天財Sra 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Kacaw委員：如果只有寫「自然語言」，我不知道原來經濟部你們修正產業創新條例把自然語言放進去，到底是全世界的自然語言，還是只有臺灣的自然語言？","quality":0.789},{"speaker":null,"start":"2025-01-15T09:47:39.664000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T09:47:41.105000+08:00","text":"因為只有寫「自然語言」4個字。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"連次長錦漳","start":"2025-01-15T09:47:41.545000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T09:47:45.428000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，這個「自然語言」跟簡報上的「自然語言」是不一樣的。","quality":0.76},{"speaker":null,"start":"2025-01-15T09:47:45.428000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-15T09:47:46.428000+08:00","text":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：不一樣？","quality":0},{"speaker":"連次長錦漳","start":"2025-01-15T09:47:45.428000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T09:47:58.477000+08:00","text":"這是屬於人工智慧專有名詞在用的，因為他們有通用的code或是程式，跟我們現在講的語言發展法講的……不是說英文、中文或是……","quality":0.889},{"speaker":null,"start":"2025-01-15T09:47:59.158000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T09:48:00.899000+08:00","text":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：是全世界的自然語言就對了？","quality":0.48},{"speaker":"連次長錦漳","start":"2025-01-15T09:48:01.959000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T09:48:05.720000+08:00","text":"對，那個是通用型人工智慧技術上的專有名詞。","quality":0.789},{"speaker":null,"start":"2025-01-15T09:48:05.720000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T09:48:13.061000+08:00","text":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：好，也提供給法務部，看怎麼樣去考量這個部分，因為自然語言我們法律有啊，對不對？","quality":0.66},{"speaker":null,"start":"2025-01-15T09:48:13.061000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T09:48:18.742000+08:00","text":"我們自己國家的法律有自然語言的定義，我只是沒有列進簡報裡面而已。","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"連次長錦漳","start":"2025-01-15T09:48:19.462000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T09:48:21.403000+08:00","text":"好，我們把它弄得清楚一點。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":null,"start":"2025-01-15T09:48:21.403000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T09:48:23.963000+08:00","text":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：因為你只有寫「自然語言」，到底是哪個範圍？","quality":0.567},{"speaker":null,"start":"2025-01-15T09:48:24.243000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T09:48:29.459000+08:00","text":"好不好？好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-01-15T09:48:29.681000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T09:48:30.165000+08:00","text":"謝謝鄭天財委員。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-01-15T09:48:30.665000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-15T09:48:31.665000+08:00","text":"請回座。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-01-15T09:48:31.965000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-15T09:48:35.107857+08:00","text":"下一位質詢請謝衣鳯委員。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}