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ID：Taiwan-HoChiMinh）傳送訊息，僑委會會將相關訊息轉至駐胡志明市辦事處因應處理。","quality":0.76},{"speaker":"徐委員巧芯","start":"2025-01-15T09:49:42.658000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T09:50:03.414000+08:00","text":"所以就是說，針對現在這個新型態的部分，除了警方，他們都有去報案了，但是現在的狀況要特別跟委員長講，他們是到泰國說有演出，上了車之後被迷暈，醒來人在緬甸，所以確切地點是在緬甸，他們也說不知道自己在緬甸的哪裡。","quality":0.925},{"speaker":"徐委員巧芯","start":"2025-01-15T09:50:04.555000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T09:50:18.722000+08:00","text":"因為2022年僑委會有協助柬埔寨事件，這次這個從泰國到緬甸的事件，僑委會可不可以也提供類似的相對應協助？","quality":0.956},{"speaker":"徐委員長佳青","start":"2025-01-15T09:50:19.043000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T09:50:21.883000+08:00","text":"我們在泰國代表處及緬甸代表處都有派駐僑務組同仁，所以個案如果有聯繫管道，我們一定會協助他們。","quality":0.977},{"speaker":"徐委員巧芯","start":"2025-01-15T09:50:30.986000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T09:50:32.686000+08:00","text":"好，那事後我把訊息提供給你，好嗎？","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"徐委員長佳青","start":"2025-01-15T09:50:32.686000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T09:50:32.886000+08:00","text":"沒有問題。","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員巧芯","start":"2025-01-15T09:50:33.746000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T09:50:41.828000+08:00","text":"因為這有可能是系統性的，要拜託僑務委員長，系統性的問題要解決，因為越來越多了。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"徐委員長佳青","start":"2025-01-15T09:50:41.928000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T09:50:42.528000+08:00","text":"真的，委員講的是……","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員巧芯","start":"2025-01-15T09:50:44.028000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T09:50:50.409000+08:00","text":"以前都是說去做詐騙，但這次真的不是去做詐騙，我已經很確定，這次都是說去表演……","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"徐委員長佳青","start":"2025-01-15T09:50:51.169000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T09:50:51.590000+08:00","text":"這是一種新興手法……","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"徐委員巧芯","start":"2025-01-15T09:50:52.410000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T09:51:02.212000+08:00","text":"大家覺得自己是小表演團體，而泰國有很多表演機會，上車之後卻直接被迷暈，醒來人在緬甸，我覺得這蠻恐怖的。","quality":0.913},{"speaker":"徐委員長佳青","start":"2025-01-15T09:51:02.492000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T09:51:03.993000+08:00","text":"是，這一定是有某種集團在運作。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"徐委員巧芯","start":"2025-01-15T09:51:04.974000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T09:51:08.797000+08:00","text":"對，然後到緬甸後就要交贖金，變成是……","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"徐委員長佳青","start":"2025-01-15T09:51:08.917000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T09:51:13.820000+08:00","text":"因為泰國跟緬甸的邊境控管沒有那麼嚴格，所以很容易在這個地方作……","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"徐委員巧芯","start":"2025-01-15T09:51:13.960000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T09:51:34.393000+08:00","text":"對，所以它比當時的柬埔寨事件還要麻煩一點，那時候臺商有幫忙，僑委會也有幫忙，當然警政署也有幫忙，現在這部分，因為泰國到緬甸這一段的難度增加了，希望委員長可以跨部會協調，相關個案我會再提供給你。","quality":0.782},{"speaker":"徐委員長佳青","start":"2025-01-15T09:51:35.113000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T09:51:39.035000+08:00","text":"好，請委員給我資料，我會請我們僑務組同仁積極去聯繫。好。","quality":0.792},{"speaker":"徐委員巧芯","start":"2025-01-15T09:51:39.216000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T09:52:09.466000+08:00","text":"最後一個問題，就是有關駐巴西聖保羅的性騷擾#MeToo事件，我就直接講簡單一點，監察院這邊的說法是：僑委會於知悉僑務人員性騷擾事件時，未能依法採取有效的糾正及補救措施，後續又對申訴被害人給予不利之處分，衍生有違反禁止申訴報復規定的疑慮，監察院提出糾正。","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"徐委員巧芯","start":"2025-01-15T09:52:10.447000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T09:52:16.393000+08:00","text":"請問，僑委會對於監察院這樣的說明，你的回應是什麼？","quality":0.773},{"speaker":"徐委員長佳青","start":"2025-01-15T09:52:17.994000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T09:52:39.665000+08:00","text":"我們認為這個報告只引用片面看法，並沒有如實地把我們所提供的資料、證據做充分揭露，所以他的用詞都是用疑似，我們認為正式官方報告不應該用疑似的這種寫法，如果只是懷疑而沒有證據，怎麼可以定罪呢？","quality":0.954},{"speaker":"徐委員巧芯","start":"2025-01-15T09:52:40.425000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T09:52:42.246000+08:00","text":"好，那你們會跟監察院提出什麼樣的申訴？","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"徐委員長佳青","start":"2025-01-15T09:52:42.806000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T09:52:45.467000+08:00","text":"我們會正式提出一份我們的報告。好。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"徐委員巧芯","start":"2025-01-15T09:52:48.228000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T09:53:06.393000+08:00","text":"我們看一下這張圖，有關於該位疑似的受害者，僑委會十年來考績丙等或被記大過的人是少之又少，而這個職員是僑委會十幾年來考績丙等再加兩大過的唯一一人，這是不是事實？","quality":0.797},{"speaker":"徐委員長佳青","start":"2025-01-15T09:53:07.633000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T09:53:15.503000+08:00","text":"這是事實，他被記兩大過，一大過是因為曠職，另外一大過是因為洩漏……與中資人員來往。","quality":0.914},{"speaker":"徐委員巧芯","start":"2025-01-15T09:53:16.364000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T09:53:22.452000+08:00","text":"那我再請問，113年的考績因為兩大過的關係，他是否可能會被列為丁等？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"徐委員長佳青","start":"2025-01-15T09:53:23.232000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T09:53:34.536000+08:00","text":"這個是公務人員服務辦法的規範，我們沒有裁量空間，就是曠職只要超過五天，就是一大過，這個我們沒有裁量空間。","quality":0.936},{"speaker":"徐委員巧芯","start":"2025-01-15T09:53:34.536000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T09:53:37.397000+08:00","text":"所以相關資料，你們後續跟監察院這邊……","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"徐委員長佳青","start":"2025-01-15T09:53:37.837000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T09:53:39.138000+08:00","text":"我們都會提供資料。","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員巧芯","start":"2025-01-15T09:53:39.978000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T09:53:44.040000+08:00","text":"來函的部分，請再提供給我們參考，知道你們的進度。好的。","quality":0.783},{"speaker":"徐委員巧芯","start":"2025-01-15T09:53:44.660000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T09:53:56.066000+08:00","text":"也希望不管是哪一個部會，不是針對僑委會，是任何一個部會，對於職場霸凌也好，MeToo性騷擾事件也好，都要拿出最嚴格的標準來審視，謝謝。","quality":0.85},{"speaker":"徐委員長佳青","start":"2025-01-15T09:53:56.066000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T09:53:56.986000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝徐委員。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-01-15T09:53:56.986000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T09:53:57.727000+08:00","text":"謝謝徐巧芯委員。","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-01-15T09:53:58.227000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-15T09:54:03.084143+08:00","text":"鍾佳濱委員、鍾佳濱委員、鍾佳濱委員不在。","quality":0.235},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-01-15T09:54:03.384143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-15T09:54:07.384143+08:00","text":"黃仁委員、黃仁委員、黃仁委員不在。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-01-15T09:54:07.684143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-15T09:54:11.398429+08:00","text":"接下來請陳冠廷委員上臺質詢。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}