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所以這個都要整個配套說到大家的意見都有共識之後把執法整個細則執行細則規範通通都要出來要趕快出來要不然的話我們產業界沒有依循的一個方向的話很容易讓你們經濟部羅織了產業的罪名"},{"start":152.998,"end":180.005,"text":"那這個就不好了那另外還在22條之四的部分的話產商條例裡面有講到在如果說會影響國家的安全或者是我們的經濟有影響到的話我國經濟影響到的話這個重大清潔的話你就要求產業要撤資回來那請問什麼是重大清潔你們重大清潔是什麼情形完全沒有定義沒有出來啊"},{"start":181.355,"end":205.049,"text":"跟文包如果說廠商對外投資有影響到國安或者是說對經濟有不利影響怎麼樣才影響到國安這個就要配套因應出來啊是是 這個其實個案的還是今天修正過來六個月再提出來六個月時間是非常長那所有產業要到國外去投資他一定會沙盤推演市場評估通通會出來那你這樣子講的話"},{"start":208.271,"end":235.399,"text":"重大清潔就是你們可以任意的羅織罪名的不會 那個測字一定是最後手段啦我們一定是會在符合比例原則跟最後手段性的這一方面也可以定義出來 更明顯然後其他國家其實也都有相同的規定譬如說像美國他們最近的那個1月2號事情的譬如他的重大清潔是什麼重大清潔他們也有相關的測字的規定啦對 有測字規定我知道可是重大清潔的規範在哪裡"},{"start":237.98,"end":259.737,"text":"那產業不是要走越線的地方嗎因為我們條文裡面要核准的說有一些要審查的標準譬如說影響整個國家安全或國家經濟發展有不利或是說像跟一些國際的一些條約相關的這些都知道我覺得還是要更加明確要更加的明確啦好不好那我們到時候我們會很明確那產業要依循的去規範好不好"},{"start":262.639,"end":278.705,"text":"好 那接下來我想請教的就是說川普在1月20號他就要上任了他的主張是要增加關稅的部分我相信經濟部應該是嚴正以待也都應該有配套的措施看怎麼樣協助產業那尤其是我們國家是出口"},{"start":279.505,"end":307.421,"text":"出口導向的而且我們的出口值年年增加到現在的1113億的這個美元所以如果說川普關稅要提高到10%到20%的話這個會影響整個產業但是我們看到我們經濟部有講法是說你會協助他們可以如果說以在美國的產業的話為出口的話那你們會協助他到國外去投資那我們的企業產業不是完全出走了嗎"},{"start":307.961,"end":334.609,"text":"我們的關鍵技術能夠跟流台灣嗎?這都非常重要的耶所以連市長,這方面的話你們有沒有因應的措施?跟委員報告,有分兩個面向來講第一個就是我們出口過去大部分是中間原材料中間原料其實對美國在發展是有利的這一塊我們會再來跟美國再協調第二個就剛才講的是說會把在美墨邊境的這些因為他們當時是因為這些品牌商要求在美墨邊境去增加"},{"start":335.109,"end":358.749,"text":"投資像ICT產業自動性產業跟這些電動車產業那這些東西他怎麼從墨西哥這邊再往美國的邊境這邊來可是我們以美國出口的話大概都是機械用具跟電機的設備尤其是半導體為主那如果這產業大量外移的話那人才也會跟著外流你就看台積電好了多少人才工程師出去所以我們各國的半導體這個產業這個優勢我擔心的是恐怕會被美國來掏空"},{"start":364.476,"end":392.009,"text":"這個我們會嚴密的去監控你怎麼嚴密監控呢所以現在我們看到很多重要產業不只是半導體方面所以我們希望我們整個產業的人才問題還有我們所制定的規範問題這個投資的方向各項各項我們都要嚴正以待而且一定要有共識做一個明確的定義好不好才不會讓我們人才外流保護我們的產業讓我們的經濟不受影響好 謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2025-01-15T10:14:14.832000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T10:14:16.074000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，請連次長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-01-15T10:14:16.074000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T10:14:16.415000+08:00","text":"請經濟部連次長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"連次長錦漳","start":"2025-01-15T10:14:16.415000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-15T10:14:26.187000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2025-01-15T10:14:26.187000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T10:14:26.748000+08:00","text":"次長辛苦了。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2025-01-15T10:14:27.528000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T10:14:29.530000+08:00","text":"您也即將要退休，在這邊先恭喜您。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"連次長錦漳","start":"2025-01-15T10:14:29.530000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-15T10:14:30.551000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員關心。","quality":0},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2025-01-15T10:14:30.551000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T10:14:31.772000+08:00","text":"至少現在可以過個好年。","quality":1},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2025-01-15T10:14:33.054000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T10:14:40.801000+08:00","text":"今天我們經濟委員會特別排審產創條例的修正，我們現在的產創條例規定的相關稅金優惠是在2024年12月屆期……","quality":0.682},{"speaker":"連次長錦漳","start":"2025-01-15T10:14:40.801000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-15T10:14:41.801000+08:00","text":"對，就第十條之一。","quality":0},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2025-01-15T10:14:40.961000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T10:15:10.690000+08:00","text":"現在打算要延長到2029年，即延長5年的時間，當然也還要增加其他一些項目，包括人工智慧、節能減碳部分；但是上限的部分，金額從10億提高到18億，則我們整個國外投資相關管理機制就要加強了，即整個配套都要加強了。對！對！對！","quality":0.775},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2025-01-15T10:15:11.491000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T10:15:36.406000+08:00","text":"所以我們就直接進入主題，就是產創條例的修正，本席看了行政院版本的第二十二條，包括投資特定國家地區、投資特定的產業跟技術，還有投資達一定金額，這個部分完全沒有明確規範出來，即在我們的母法裡面並沒有看到，這樣子的話，產業又如何去依循你們的規定？","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2025-01-15T10:15:37.027000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T10:15:44.360000+08:00","text":"如果不小心觸犯這個界線的話，又會被重罰，這部分你們有沒有統整相關的意見，進而提出一個統整的子法呢？","quality":0.711},{"speaker":"楊司長淑玲","start":"2025-01-15T10:15:47.649000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T10:15:57.971000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，我們在修正草案第二十二條第五項，有把特定地區、特定的產業或技術，還有一定的金額，都授權在子法裡面來明定。","quality":0.827},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2025-01-15T10:15:58.412000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T10:15:59.952000+08:00","text":"子法訂了嗎？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"楊司長淑玲","start":"2025-01-15T10:15:59.952000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T10:16:06.393000+08:00","text":"子法的部分，行政院現在的規定是要在母法修正以後6個月之內，我們一定要完成。","quality":0.848},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2025-01-15T10:16:06.413000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T10:16:17.777000+08:00","text":"所以你們要趕快，包括哪個國家可以去投資、哪個區域不能去或者是投資金額的上限，甚至最重要的技術問題，關鍵技術還是要留在臺灣，這個是很重要的。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"連次長錦漳","start":"2025-01-15T10:16:17.897000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T10:16:19.799000+08:00","text":"我們也會再跟外界好好溝通一下。","quality":1},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2025-01-15T10:16:19.879000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T10:16:38.758000+08:00","text":"是，所以這整個配套都要做好，收納大家的意見，俟有共識之後，把子法、施行細則等規範通通都要提出來，要趕快提出來，要不然我們產業界沒有依循的方向，很容易讓你們經濟部任意來羅織產業的罪名，這樣就不好了。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2025-01-15T10:16:39.578000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T10:16:59.223000+08:00","text":"另外在第二十二條第四項的部分，產創條例裡面有講到，如果會影響國家安全或者是對我們的經濟有影響，「重大情節」的話，你就會要求產業撤資回來，請問什麼是重大情節？","quality":0.814},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2025-01-15T10:17:00.664000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T10:17:02.304000+08:00","text":"你們重大情節是包括什麼情形？","quality":0.692},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2025-01-15T10:17:03.144000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T10:17:04.985000+08:00","text":"這完全都沒有定義、定義都沒有出來啊！","quality":0.688},{"speaker":"楊司長淑玲","start":"2025-01-15T10:17:06.355000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T10:17:12.319000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，如果廠商對外投資有影響到國安，或者是對經濟有不利影響……","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2025-01-15T10:17:12.319000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T10:17:13.219000+08:00","text":"怎麼樣叫做影響到國安？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2025-01-15T10:17:14.520000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T10:17:16.901000+08:00","text":"這要有因應配套提出來啊！是！是！","quality":0.692},{"speaker":"楊司長淑玲","start":"2025-01-15T10:17:17.462000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T10:17:17.842000+08:00","text":"這個其實個案……","quality":1},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2025-01-15T10:17:18.482000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T10:17:21.624000+08:00","text":"還是今天修正過後，6個月內再提出來？","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2025-01-15T10:17:21.804000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T10:17:37.072000+08:00","text":"6個月的時間非常長，所有的產業要到國外去投資，它一定會沙盤推演、市場評估等等，通通都會出來，但你這樣子規定「重大情節」，就是你們可以任意的羅織罪名了？","quality":0.815},{"speaker":"楊司長淑玲","start":"2025-01-15T10:17:38.272000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T10:17:44.694000+08:00","text":"不會，撤資一定是最後手段，我們一定是符合比例原則跟最後手段性的原則下來進行。","quality":0.771},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2025-01-15T10:17:45.575000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T10:17:47.055000+08:00","text":"這方面可不可以定義得更明顯？","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"楊司長淑玲","start":"2025-01-15T10:17:47.235000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T10:17:53.177000+08:00","text":"其他國家其實也都有相同的規定，比如說美國最近1月2號施行的……","quality":0.885},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2025-01-15T10:17:53.437000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T10:17:54.597000+08:00","text":"比如說它的重大情節指的是什麼？","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"楊司長淑玲","start":"2025-01-15T10:17:55.197000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T10:17:58.478000+08:00","text":"他們也有相關撤資的規定。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2025-01-15T10:17:58.598000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T10:18:00.399000+08:00","text":"我知道有撤資規定，可是重大情節的規範在哪裡？","quality":0.65},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2025-01-15T10:18:03.080000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T10:18:04.341000+08:00","text":"要規定明顯一點，產業才不會去越線！","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"連次長錦漳","start":"2025-01-15T10:18:05.162000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T10:18:16.511000+08:00","text":"委員，我們條文裡面要核准的，都是有依據一定的審查標準，比如說，影響整個國家安全或對國家經濟發展有不利，或是跟一些國際條約相關的……","quality":0.828},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2025-01-15T10:18:17.131000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T10:18:20.814000+08:00","text":"這些我都知道，但我覺得還是要更加明確……","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"連次長錦漳","start":"2025-01-15T10:18:20.814000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-15T10:18:21.814000+08:00","text":"是因為有一些個案……","quality":0},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2025-01-15T10:18:20.814000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T10:18:22.715000+08:00","text":"要更加的明確，好不好？對！","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"連次長錦漳","start":"2025-01-15T10:18:23.476000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T10:18:24.216000+08:00","text":"到時候我們會很明確地把它……","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2025-01-15T10:18:24.316000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T10:18:27.639000+08:00","text":"讓產業可以依循這些規範，好不好？好。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2025-01-15T10:18:28.299000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T10:18:42.164000+08:00","text":"接下來我想請教的是，川普在1月20號就要上任了，他的主張是要增加關稅，我相信經濟部應該是嚴陣以待，也應該有個配套的措施來協助產業……","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"連次長錦漳","start":"2025-01-15T10:18:42.164000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-15T10:18:43.164000+08:00","text":"有，我們有在研議。","quality":0},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2025-01-15T10:18:42.324000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T10:18:57.392000+08:00","text":"尤其我們國家是出口導向的，而且我們的出口值年年增加，到現在是1,113億美元，如果川普關稅要提高10%到20%的話，這是會影響到整個產業的。","quality":0.912},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2025-01-15T10:18:58.513000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T10:19:12.421000+08:00","text":"對此，我們經濟部的講法是，你會協助他們，像如果是出口到美國的產業，你們會協助它到國外去投資，如此一來，我們的企業、產業不就完全出走了嗎？","quality":0.767},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2025-01-15T10:19:12.961000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T10:19:15.462000+08:00","text":"我們的關鍵技術能夠根留臺灣嗎？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2025-01-15T10:19:15.462000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T10:19:19.743000+08:00","text":"這都是非常重要的，所以連次長，這方面你們有沒有因應的措施？","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"連次長錦漳","start":"2025-01-15T10:19:20.183000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T10:19:31.366000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，有分兩個面向來講，第一個，我們的出口過去大部分是中間原材料，中間原材料其實對美國發展是有利的，這一塊我們還會再跟美國協調。","quality":0.951},{"speaker":"連次長錦漳","start":"2025-01-15T10:19:31.366000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T10:19:49.277000+08:00","text":"第二個，誠如剛才講的，針對美墨邊境的這些廠商，他們當時是因為這些品牌商要求在美墨邊境增加投資，像ICT產業、資通訊產業跟電動車產業等等，而這些東西怎麼從墨西哥再往美國邊境這邊來移動。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2025-01-15T10:19:49.277000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T10:20:03.729000+08:00","text":"可是我們出口美國大概都是機械用具跟電機的設備，尤其是以半導體為主，如果產業大量外移的話，人才也會跟著外流，你就看台積電好了，多少人才、工程師出去，所以我國半導體產業的優勢，我擔心的是恐怕會被美國掏空。","quality":0.945},{"speaker":"連次長錦漳","start":"2025-01-15T10:20:09.476000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T10:20:11.937000+08:00","text":"這個我們會嚴密的去監控。","quality":1},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2025-01-15T10:20:12.518000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T10:20:13.578000+08:00","text":"你怎麼嚴密監控呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2025-01-15T10:20:15.579000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T10:20:32.867000+08:00","text":"我們看到現在很多重要產業都有這個問題，不只是半導體方面，所以我們希望對於整個產業的人才問題、我們怎麼制定的規範問題以及投資的方向等各項，我們都要嚴陣以待，而且一定要有共識做一個明確的定義，好不好？","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2025-01-15T10:20:33.268000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T10:20:36.989000+08:00","text":"才不會讓我們的人才外流，要保護我們的產業，讓我們的經濟不受影響。好。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2025-01-15T10:20:37.009000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T10:20:37.009000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-01-15T10:20:37.509000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-15T10:20:39.509000+08:00","text":"謝謝呂玉玲委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-01-15T10:20:39.809000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-15T10:20:42.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