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這個人因素那你打臉他沒有沒有那我想問一下齁我先問一下因為我看經濟部的那個記者會"},{"start":57.745,"end":74.006,"text":"部長有特別提到有關於台積電的因為以前大家經濟部的政策是說那台積電如果要到其他國家投資的話要落後兩世代就N加2政策嘛但是郭部長改口了他的說法是說以後沒有所謂的N加2了啦只要企業有賺錢就去啦"},{"start":74.98,"end":95.533,"text":"他說政府的目的就是讓企業可以賺錢換言之以後台積電是不是他二奈米或幾萬以先進製程想要去哪個國家經濟部投審會全部都放行是這個意思嗎這我們還是要有一個審查機制在啦沒有他的態度是說沒有N加2嘛所以以後就不是以N加2當作一個標準的我們還是要經過計審會跟"},{"start":97.154,"end":117.96,"text":"跟委員會這個兩個門檻來那是不是只要是企業有賺錢就是審查標準就是看企業有沒有賺錢沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有"},{"start":118.08,"end":144.807,"text":"沒有沒有然後他還講說像那個美國台積電啊要派那個最好的大將台積電最好的大將王老闆去美國才做得起來所以如果說我們沒有這個N加2的這樣子一個政策台積電想賺錢就可以去的話那台積電一個很好的大將通通到各國去了所以這是我們擔心的嘛因為台積電在台灣算是一個非常賺錢的公司各位朋友我們遊戲規則現在還在還在還是要按照遊戲規則不是他講的那樣啦齁"},{"start":147.059,"end":173.874,"text":"然後那再請教一下那個輝達現在亞洲總部已經確定在台北了嘛對不對這個要由他公佈啦因為劉靜清已經公佈了啦劉靜清國發會主委已經公佈了我想問一下因為還是你們郭部長啦之前都一帶風向說好像輝達的亞洲總部不會在台北大家都猜錯為什麼故意又要去講這個東西真的很怪"},{"start":175.578,"end":190.017,"text":"好啦 不會為難你啦 對 不會為難你對 不會為難你免得你又講得跟他不一樣那我想關心一下那個水費因為我們現在對於水價調整方案我們看不懂你知道之前講是說自來水公司要調漲水價然後一次要漲四成"},{"start":190.816,"end":216.071,"text":"那坦白說啦水價如果說三十幾年沒漲的話你要漲一點大家我覺得都是可以接受啦但是一下漲到四成漲這麼多我覺得大家都會擔心會不會引起比如說民生的問題或者是物價通膨的問題那現在感覺又改口了又說沒有這個規劃說呢沒有水價漲四成的規劃然後計算合理水價也不代表漲價"},{"start":217.771,"end":237.468,"text":"我真的看不懂然後再來就是講說如果要調整方案的話是不是採取分級銷售機制來落實照顧民生我先講第一件事情因為物價調漲這個東西非常敏感你們一講話很多很多比如說店家什麼他們會預先漲價他說我要因應之後水價漲價我要預先漲價"},{"start":240.35,"end":255.914,"text":"物價一漲就跌不下來所以講這種漲價事情要非常謹慎小心那怎麼可能先拋出一個四成以後又說沒有了我們要有什麼分級銷售機制什麼叫分級銷售機制我首先要澄清跟委員澄清沒有"},{"start":257.235,"end":274.951,"text":"經濟部從來沒有拋出說要漲四成的這樣的一個那為什麼會有這個消息出來這個是外面自己去算說如果是31年沒漲然後要調到什麼機制他們自己去算出來絕對沒有這一回事所以不是你們講的不是那如果說好那什麼是因為那個要去調漲的話什麼是分級銷售機制來來來"},{"start":280.354,"end":304.96,"text":"因為這個東西也不是我們的資料也不是你講的我們正在規劃他上面寫說經濟部重申耶他說例如是否採取分級銷售機制那個只是說如果是有的話可以朝這個方向但是現在還在規劃我們三個月內會提出一個規劃方向而且這個規劃有一個機制他要調一個機制不是說外面講的說我調就調而且會考慮到民生的這些項目謝謝"},{"start":308.178,"end":308.963,"text":"好 請回座"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2025-01-15T11:27:11.994000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:27:14.217000+08:00","text":"麻煩請找次長。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-01-15T11:27:14.217000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:27:14.557000+08:00","text":"哪一個次長？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2025-01-15T11:27:14.557000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-15T11:27:17.427500+08:00","text":"連錦漳次長。","quality":0.2},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-01-15T11:27:17.427500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-15T11:27:20.298000+08:00","text":"連次長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"連次長錦漳","start":"2025-01-15T11:27:20.298000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-15T11:27:23.168500+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2025-01-15T11:27:23.168500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-15T11:27:26.039000+08:00","text":"次長好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2025-01-15T11:27:26.039000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:27:30.063000+08:00","text":"次長，您是預計年後退休嗎？2月份。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2025-01-15T11:27:30.544000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:27:35.328000+08:00","text":"2月份退休，為什麼經濟部郭智輝部長來以後，次長相繼退休？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"連次長錦漳","start":"2025-01-15T11:27:35.328000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-15T11:27:36.328000+08:00","text":"沒有、沒有……","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2025-01-15T11:27:36.149000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:27:43.476000+08:00","text":"他上次說是因為立法院給你們壓力很大，真的是這樣子嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"連次長錦漳","start":"2025-01-15T11:27:43.476000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-15T11:27:44.476000+08:00","text":"沒有，這個是自己的人生規劃。","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2025-01-15T11:27:43.576000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:27:44.838000+08:00","text":"立法院到底給你的壓力大不大？","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"連次長錦漳","start":"2025-01-15T11:27:45.526000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:27:45.526000+08:00","text":"當然啊！","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"連次長錦漳","start":"2025-01-15T11:27:46.046000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:27:50.728000+08:00","text":"立法院會要求交一些東西，我們還是都要努力達成。喔！","quality":0.773},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2025-01-15T11:27:52.129000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:27:53.270000+08:00","text":"是因為這個原因，所以……","quality":1},{"speaker":"連次長錦漳","start":"2025-01-15T11:27:53.590000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:27:54.390000+08:00","text":"沒有、沒有，不是、不是。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2025-01-15T11:27:54.690000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:27:55.771000+08:00","text":"可是郭智輝講的啊！","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"連次長錦漳","start":"2025-01-15T11:27:56.371000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:27:57.371000+08:00","text":"沒有、沒有，這是個人因素。喔！","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2025-01-15T11:27:57.812000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:27:58.332000+08:00","text":"那你打臉他？","quality":1},{"speaker":"連次長錦漳","start":"2025-01-15T11:27:59.072000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:27:59.432000+08:00","text":"沒有，沒有打臉。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2025-01-15T11:28:01.313000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:28:33.227000+08:00","text":"我先問一下，因為我看經濟部的記者會，部長特別提到有關於台積電，因為以前經濟部的政策是台積電如果要到其他國家投資的話要落後2個世代，就是N加2政策，但是郭部長改口了，他的說法是說以後沒有所謂的N加2，只要企業有賺錢就去，他說政府的目的就是讓企業可以賺錢；換言之，以後台積電是不是2奈米或幾奈米先進製程想要去哪個國家，經濟部投審會全部都放行？","quality":0.954},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2025-01-15T11:28:33.447000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:28:35.228000+08:00","text":"是這個意思嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"連次長錦漳","start":"2025-01-15T11:28:35.228000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:28:36.589000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，我們還是有一個審查機制在。","quality":0.706},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2025-01-15T11:28:37.269000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:28:42.613000+08:00","text":"沒有、沒有，他的態度是說沒有N加2了，所以以後就不是以N加2當作一個標準了。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"連次長錦漳","start":"2025-01-15T11:28:43.113000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:28:45.254000+08:00","text":"我們還是要經過技審會跟委員會這兩個門檻來審查。","quality":0.864},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2025-01-15T11:28:45.254000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:28:46.534000+08:00","text":"對，那是不是只要企業有賺錢，就是審查標準就是看企業有沒有賺錢？","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"連次長錦漳","start":"2025-01-15T11:28:46.534000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:28:46.835000+08:00","text":"沒有、沒有……","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2025-01-15T11:28:46.835000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-15T11:28:50.042500+08:00","text":"這是他講的啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"連次長錦漳","start":"2025-01-15T11:28:50.042500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-15T11:28:53.250000+08:00","text":"我們有規定。","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2025-01-15T11:28:53.250000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-15T11:28:56.457500+08:00","text":"那是他講的啊，是部長講的欸！","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2025-01-15T11:28:56.457500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-15T11:28:59.665000+08:00","text":"因為他今天沒來，我們只能問你們啊！","quality":0.067},{"speaker":"連次長錦漳","start":"2025-01-15T11:28:59.665000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-15T11:29:02.872500+08:00","text":"它最重要的先進製程一定要留在臺灣，而且要再持續在臺灣投資，這兩個一定是最大的……喔！","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2025-01-15T11:29:02.872500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-15T11:29:06.080000+08:00","text":"那你今天跟部長講的第二個不一樣喔！","quality":0},{"speaker":"連次長錦漳","start":"2025-01-15T11:29:06.080000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:29:06.440000+08:00","text":"沒有、沒有。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2025-01-15T11:29:06.540000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:29:25.545000+08:00","text":"然後他還說，像美國台積電，要派台積電最好的大將王老闆去，美國才做得起來，所以如果我們沒有N加2這樣一個政策，台積電想賺錢就可以去的話，那台積電很好的大將統統到各國去了，所以這是我們擔心的嘛！","quality":0.93},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2025-01-15T11:29:25.685000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:29:28.046000+08:00","text":"因為台積電在臺灣算是一個非常賺錢的公司。","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"連次長錦漳","start":"2025-01-15T11:29:29.546000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:29:31.146000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，我們的遊戲規則現在還在！還在？","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"連次長錦漳","start":"2025-01-15T11:29:31.566000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:29:32.127000+08:00","text":"還是要按照遊戲規則。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2025-01-15T11:29:32.127000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:29:32.787000+08:00","text":"不是他講的那樣喔？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2025-01-15T11:29:35.059000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:29:40.602000+08:00","text":"然後再請教一下，輝達亞洲總部現在已經確定在臺北了嘛！","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2025-01-15T11:29:41.282000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:29:41.703000+08:00","text":"對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"連次長錦漳","start":"2025-01-15T11:29:41.703000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:29:43.123000+08:00","text":"這個要由他公布啦！","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"連次長錦漳","start":"2025-01-15T11:29:43.123000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-15T11:29:44.284000+08:00","text":"我們不是……","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2025-01-15T11:29:44.284000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:29:48.326000+08:00","text":"因為劉鏡清已經公布了，國發會主委劉鏡清已經公布了。","quality":0.739},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2025-01-15T11:29:48.827000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:29:59.953000+08:00","text":"我想問一下，你們郭部長之前都帶風向說輝達亞洲總部不會設在臺北，大家都猜錯，為什麼又要故意去講這個東西？","quality":0.936},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2025-01-15T11:30:01.514000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:30:01.854000+08:00","text":"真的很怪啊！","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2025-01-15T11:30:03.578000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:30:08.124000+08:00","text":"好，不為難你，免得你又講得跟他不一樣。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2025-01-15T11:30:08.264000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:30:13.331000+08:00","text":"接著我想關心一下水費，現在水價調整方案我們看不懂你知道嗎？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2025-01-15T11:30:14.052000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:30:17.997000+08:00","text":"之前說自來水公司要調漲水價，然後一次要漲四成。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2025-01-15T11:30:18.956000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:30:33.625000+08:00","text":"坦白說，水價如果三十幾年沒漲，你要漲一點，我覺得大家都可以接受，但是一下子漲到四成、漲這麼多，我覺得大家都會擔心會不會引起民生的問題，或者是物價通膨的問題。","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2025-01-15T11:30:34.005000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:30:46.732000+08:00","text":"現在感覺又改口了，又說沒有這個規劃，說是沒有水價漲四成的規劃，然後計算合理水價也不代表漲價，我真的都看不懂！","quality":0.959},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2025-01-15T11:30:47.633000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:30:55.740000+08:00","text":"再來就是講如果要有調整方案的話，是不是採取分級銷售機制來落實照顧民生。","quality":0.97},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2025-01-15T11:30:56.480000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:31:05.468000+08:00","text":"我先講第一件事情，因為物價調漲這個東西非常敏感，你們一講話，很多店家會預先漲價，他說：我要因應之後水價漲價，我要預先漲價。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2025-01-15T11:31:08.350000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:31:21.230000+08:00","text":"物價一漲就跌不下來，所以講這種漲價的事情要非常謹慎小心，怎麼可能先拋出了調漲四成以後，又說沒有了，還說要有分級銷售機制，什麼叫分級銷售機制？","quality":0.906},{"speaker":"連次長錦漳","start":"2025-01-15T11:31:21.670000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:31:27.758000+08:00","text":"我首先要跟委員澄清，經濟部從來沒有拋出說要漲四成這樣的……","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2025-01-15T11:31:28.819000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:31:30.500000+08:00","text":"那為什麼會有這個消息出來？","quality":1},{"speaker":"連次長錦漳","start":"2025-01-15T11:31:30.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:31:38.107000+08:00","text":"這是外面自己去算如果是31年沒漲，然後要調到什麼極致，這是他們自己算出來的，絕對沒有這一回事。","quality":0.878},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2025-01-15T11:31:38.247000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:31:39.548000+08:00","text":"所以不是你們講的？不是。","quality":1},{"speaker":"連次長錦漳","start":"2025-01-15T11:31:40.069000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:31:42.411000+08:00","text":"如果說要調漲的話，會經過……","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2025-01-15T11:31:42.411000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:31:42.931000+08:00","text":"好，那什麼是分級銷售機制？","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"連次長錦漳","start":"2025-01-15T11:31:48.354000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:31:50.095000+08:00","text":"這個都還……因為這個東西也不是我們的資料……","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2025-01-15T11:31:50.235000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:31:50.855000+08:00","text":"也不是你講的？","quality":1},{"speaker":"連次長錦漳","start":"2025-01-15T11:31:51.235000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:31:52.575000+08:00","text":"我們正在規劃……","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2025-01-15T11:31:52.735000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:31:54.896000+08:00","text":"這上面寫的是「經濟部重申」耶！","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2025-01-15T11:31:55.076000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:31:57.036000+08:00","text":"他說例如是否採取分級銷售機制……","quality":1},{"speaker":"連次長錦漳","start":"2025-01-15T11:31:57.336000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:32:01.557000+08:00","text":"那個只是說如果有調漲的話，可以朝這個方向，但是現在還在規劃……","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2025-01-15T11:32:01.817000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:32:03.058000+08:00","text":"還在規劃？","quality":1},{"speaker":"連次長錦漳","start":"2025-01-15T11:32:03.058000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:32:12.399000+08:00","text":"我們三個月內會提出一個規劃方向，而且這個規劃有一個機制，它要調有一個機制，不是像外面講的說我要調就調，而且會考慮到民生相關的消費。","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2025-01-15T11:32:12.960000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:32:12.960000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-01-15T11:32:16.520000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:32:16.943000+08:00","text":"次長請回座。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-01-15T11:32:17.443000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-15T11:32:21.157286+08:00","text":"下一位質詢委員請黃珊珊委員。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}