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那就請數位常驗署跟國發會以及財政部一起來把這個政策接下去的後續的作業方式提供相關的報告給本席好謝謝好謝謝請回座"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"黃委員珊珊","start":"2025-01-15T11:32:29.643000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:32:30.503000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，我想請經濟部連次長。","quality":0.385},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-01-15T11:32:30.503000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-15T11:32:34.486500+08:00","text":"請經濟部連次長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"連次長錦漳","start":"2025-01-15T11:32:34.486500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-15T11:32:38.470000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃委員珊珊","start":"2025-01-15T11:32:38.470000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:32:46.156000+08:00","text":"次長，我再確認一下，水電雙漲今年不知道會不會漲，為什麼要放這個消息呢？","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"黃委員珊珊","start":"2025-01-15T11:32:47.250000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:32:49.892000+08:00","text":"這個消息是哪裡來的？","quality":1},{"speaker":"連次長錦漳","start":"2025-01-15T11:32:49.892000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-15T11:32:50.913000+08:00","text":"我不知道這個消息從哪裡來。","quality":0},{"speaker":"連次長錦漳","start":"2025-01-15T11:32:50.913000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:32:55.817000+08:00","text":"第一個，過年的時候我們是有發布一個新聞稿，就是水電、油氣這個東西……","quality":0.966},{"speaker":"黃委員珊珊","start":"2025-01-15T11:32:55.817000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-15T11:32:58.239000+08:00","text":"但就變成頭版頭啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"連次長錦漳","start":"2025-01-15T11:32:58.239000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:33:01.201000+08:00","text":"至於水電要不要漲，因為它有一個機制在……","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"黃委員珊珊","start":"2025-01-15T11:33:01.741000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:33:14.531000+08:00","text":"沒錯，所以不要空口恫嚇人民，也不要讓大家覺得好像對經濟部不太滿意，就放一些消息來打你們，然後每次都是由你們來背黑鍋。","quality":0.981},{"speaker":"連次長錦漳","start":"2025-01-15T11:33:14.531000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:33:16.532000+08:00","text":"其實我們也有對外說明說沒有……","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員珊珊","start":"2025-01-15T11:33:17.052000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:33:28.339000+08:00","text":"沒有這回事就要講得很清楚，而不是讓別人來……我覺得這是與民生有關的，不可以隨意這樣子用放消息、測風向的方式，這是第一點。","quality":0.943},{"speaker":"黃委員珊珊","start":"2025-01-15T11:33:28.339000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:33:51.946000+08:00","text":"第二個，在去年總統大選的時候，其實賴總統有說過，如果兩岸緊張，天然氣無法進口的時候，就會緊急使用核能，經濟部長王美花當時也說涉及相關核安法規，我想問一年過去了，所謂的緊急使用核能政策還是經濟部的政策之一嗎？","quality":0.979},{"speaker":"連次長錦漳","start":"2025-01-15T11:33:53.822000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:33:54.262000+08:00","text":"這個因為還是要依法……","quality":0.556},{"speaker":"黃委員珊珊","start":"2025-01-15T11:33:54.342000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:33:58.304000+08:00","text":"依法辦理，所以法規上面做不到嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員珊珊","start":"2025-01-15T11:33:58.304000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:33:58.664000+08:00","text":"還是做得到？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員珊珊","start":"2025-01-15T11:33:59.705000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:34:02.866000+08:00","text":"還是次長不方便說？因為……","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員珊珊","start":"2025-01-15T11:34:02.866000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:34:04.667000+08:00","text":"一年過去了，有沒有答案了？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員珊珊","start":"2025-01-15T11:34:05.647000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:34:13.770000+08:00","text":"還是說反正非核家園已經確定了，也不太可能啟用了，所以去年說的所謂將核電作為緊急啟用是騙人的，回答我這樣就好。","quality":0.82},{"speaker":"連次長錦漳","start":"2025-01-15T11:34:14.311000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:34:17.412000+08:00","text":"我們的法令規定現在還是沒有改變。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"黃委員珊珊","start":"2025-01-15T11:34:17.932000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:34:20.053000+08:00","text":"沒有改變，所以不太可能做緊急備用啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員珊珊","start":"2025-01-15T11:34:22.254000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:34:29.738000+08:00","text":"該說清楚的說清楚，不要再讓大家覺得有誤解，或者是有可能還會緊急啟用，看起來是不會了，那就說清楚。","quality":0.977},{"speaker":"黃委員珊珊","start":"2025-01-15T11:34:30.499000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:34:49.491000+08:00","text":"第二個部分，你可以看到像美國這麼先進的國家，它的大火還是讓整個國家面臨極端氣候的威脅，我們的問題是接下來的未雨綢繆，我們對於所謂的經濟穩定有沒有做過經濟兵推？","quality":0.892},{"speaker":"黃委員珊珊","start":"2025-01-15T11:34:51.191000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:35:12.956000+08:00","text":"經濟部跟國發會，或者是相關的企業家，因為今年我們看到日本共同社的報導，對114家日本主要的大型企業進行調查，有53%的日本企業，將近60家針對臺灣如果發生戰爭極端情境已經做好準備，而且正在考慮做好準備。","quality":0.977},{"speaker":"黃委員珊珊","start":"2025-01-15T11:35:13.782000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:35:25.914000+08:00","text":"也就是說，臺灣的大企業很多，行銷全世界，我們對於所謂臺灣碰到的戰爭、極端情境，曾經做過準備或有考慮做過準備嗎？","quality":0.98},{"speaker":"黃委員珊珊","start":"2025-01-15T11:35:25.914000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-15T11:35:26.914000+08:00","text":"經濟部。","quality":0},{"speaker":"連次長錦漳","start":"2025-01-15T11:35:25.914000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:35:30.238000+08:00","text":"因為我想這些國際大廠本身應該對這部分都會有一些準備……","quality":0.84},{"speaker":"黃委員珊珊","start":"2025-01-15T11:35:30.519000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:35:34.463000+08:00","text":"臺灣對我們自己國家的相關企業有做過這樣的規劃嗎？","quality":0.913},{"speaker":"黃委員珊珊","start":"2025-01-15T11:35:36.404000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:35:47.949000+08:00","text":"譬如說，緊急應變的手冊、人員疏散的計畫，還有所謂的撤離，當然國外的廠商會有撤僑，我們自己對於自己的企業有沒有相關的經濟兵推？","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"連次長錦漳","start":"2025-01-15T11:35:48.349000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:35:51.010000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，因為這個業務我沒有涉入，我不便回答。","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"黃委員珊珊","start":"2025-01-15T11:35:51.650000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:35:54.611000+08:00","text":"好，所以對於我今天要講的，是不是請國發會一起上台？","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-01-15T11:35:54.691000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:35:54.831000+08:00","text":"國發會高副主委。","quality":1},{"speaker":"高副主任委員仙桂","start":"2025-01-15T11:35:54.931000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:35:54.951000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員珊珊","start":"2025-01-15T11:35:55.011000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:35:55.592000+08:00","text":"副主委，你認為臺灣有多少企業有做這樣的準備？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員珊珊","start":"2025-01-15T11:36:05.870000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:36:08.092000+08:00","text":"還是從來沒有想過，也沒有想過要做兵推？","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"高副主任委員仙桂","start":"2025-01-15T11:36:08.552000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:36:16.256000+08:00","text":"我覺得地緣政治風險已經是現在各個國際……大型企業考慮的因素之一。","quality":0.828},{"speaker":"黃委員珊珊","start":"2025-01-15T11:36:17.016000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:36:30.699000+08:00","text":"所以緊急應變計畫，我覺得不單單是企業要考慮，而是我們國家在這麼重大的……我們臺灣算是非常重要的地緣政治核心地帶，其實我們國家應該做好經濟兵推的規劃。","quality":0.838},{"speaker":"高副主任委員仙桂","start":"2025-01-15T11:36:30.699000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-15T11:36:31.699000+08:00","text":"是，因為總統府也成立一個……","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃委員珊珊","start":"2025-01-15T11:36:30.699000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:36:42.746000+08:00","text":"很好，我希望能由國發會跟經濟部告訴我一下，我們對國內的企業有沒有類似相關的緊急應變計畫可提供給本席作個參考？","quality":0.961},{"speaker":"高副主任委員仙桂","start":"2025-01-15T11:36:43.426000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:36:45.427000+08:00","text":"好，因為這個屬於國安，我們再來洽詢。好。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"黃委員珊珊","start":"2025-01-15T11:36:47.308000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:36:51.471000+08:00","text":"國發會請留步，經濟部先請回，我想請財政部以及數位產業署。","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-01-15T11:36:51.731000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:36:52.151000+08:00","text":"財政部李次長，還有數發部。","quality":0.455},{"speaker":"李次長慶華","start":"2025-01-15T11:36:56.215000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:37:01.178000+08:00","text":"委員好。3位好。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"黃委員珊珊","start":"2025-01-15T11:37:02.519000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:37:06.561000+08:00","text":"次長，我今天要問的是有關行動支付的普及率。","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"黃委員珊珊","start":"2025-01-15T11:37:07.241000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:37:22.250000+08:00","text":"行動支付在國發會主政，數位產業署在推動，它的目標本來在106年當時的行政院長賴清德說114年要達到90%，請問現在的普及率有多少？","quality":0.943},{"speaker":"李次長慶華","start":"2025-01-15T11:37:25.101000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:37:29.402000+08:00","text":"在財政部方面，我們推動的主要是對小規模企業的部分。","quality":0.913},{"speaker":"黃委員珊珊","start":"2025-01-15T11:37:29.522000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:37:29.582000+08:00","text":"你們是減稅嘛！","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"李次長慶華","start":"2025-01-15T11:37:29.582000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-15T11:37:31.223000+08:00","text":"對，我們是對小規模營利事業推動……","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃委員珊珊","start":"2025-01-15T11:37:31.223000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:37:35.245000+08:00","text":"數位產業署，你們現在的普及率大概是多少？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"黃副署長雅萍","start":"2025-01-15T11:37:35.245000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-15T11:37:36.245000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃副署長雅萍","start":"2025-01-15T11:37:36.005000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:37:39.486000+08:00","text":"我們在112年的時候，普及率大概是80.7%。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員珊珊","start":"2025-01-15T11:37:39.486000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:37:41.267000+08:00","text":"所以114年要達到90%做不做得到？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃副署長雅萍","start":"2025-01-15T11:37:44.168000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:37:46.349000+08:00","text":"我們目前在努力當中。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員珊珊","start":"2025-01-15T11:37:46.349000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-15T11:37:48.469000+08:00","text":"努力當中？是。","quality":0.2},{"speaker":"黃委員珊珊","start":"2025-01-15T11:37:48.469000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:37:53.391000+08:00","text":"今天請財政部的原因是因為，這個相關的優惠措施是到今年的年底。對。","quality":0.931},{"speaker":"黃委員珊珊","start":"2025-01-15T11:37:54.031000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:38:00.974000+08:00","text":"也就是說，它還沒有達到90%，可是你的優惠措施到年底可能就結束了，所以我的意思是說，行動支付重不重要？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員珊珊","start":"2025-01-15T11:38:01.574000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:38:14.182000+08:00","text":"重要，我們希望小規模的營業人能夠進來，然後給他優惠，但是好像還是有一些成效不彰的狀況，將近80%是做不到的，這個部分有沒有檢討過？","quality":0.982},{"speaker":"李次長慶華","start":"2025-01-15T11:38:14.182000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:38:20.246000+08:00","text":"我想這個部分因為目前時間還沒到，我們還是請各地區國稅局很努力地跟……","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"黃委員珊珊","start":"2025-01-15T11:38:21.326000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:38:49.583000+08:00","text":"是，所以重點是國發會、數位產業署跟財政部，我覺得這件事情是國家的重大政策，它現在只有80%，我們到很多國家去，其實已經不太需要用到現金了，在臺灣很多地方可能還是需要用到現金，可是這部分行動支付的推廣，還有小規模營業人的部分，我希望這個政策能夠持續下去直到100%為止，可以嗎？","quality":0.934},{"speaker":"李次長慶華","start":"2025-01-15T11:38:49.583000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:38:54.026000+08:00","text":"我們會跟數位部和國發會一起考量，就是推動……","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"黃委員珊珊","start":"2025-01-15T11:38:54.026000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:38:58.169000+08:00","text":"目標至少達到90%以上，不能只以90%為目標。","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"李次長慶華","start":"2025-01-15T11:38:58.169000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-15T11:38:59.169000+08:00","text":"是，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃委員珊珊","start":"2025-01-15T11:38:58.169000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:39:06.995000+08:00","text":"第二個，如果可以的話，要給中小型規模的營業人租稅上的優惠，讓他願意參加所謂的行動支付，這樣會更有誘因，可以嗎？","quality":0.837},{"speaker":"李次長慶華","start":"2025-01-15T11:39:09.136000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:39:09.757000+08:00","text":"這個我們會配合相關部會，我們會……","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"黃委員珊珊","start":"2025-01-15T11:39:09.757000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:39:16.081000+08:00","text":"不管怎麼樣，我希望財政部一個月之內跟大家討論一下接下去的評估方案好嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員珊珊","start":"2025-01-15T11:39:16.081000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:39:18.323000+08:00","text":"因為到年底就要結束了，那年底以後呢？","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"黃委員珊珊","start":"2025-01-15T11:39:18.523000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:39:20.624000+08:00","text":"怎麼辦？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李次長慶華","start":"2025-01-15T11:39:20.624000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:39:24.166000+08:00","text":"好，我們財政部負責的部分會由我們來做，一個月內會給委員報告。","quality":0.63},{"speaker":"黃委員珊珊","start":"2025-01-15T11:39:24.166000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:39:33.232000+08:00","text":"好，那就請數位產業署跟國發會以及財政部一起就這個政策接下去的後續作業方式提供相關的報告給本席。","quality":0.911},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-01-15T11:39:34.453000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-15T11:39:35.053000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝，請回座。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-01-15T11:39:35.553000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-15T11:39:38.695857+08:00","text":"賴惠員、賴惠員，賴惠員不在。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-01-15T11:39:38.995857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-15T11:39:42.138714+08:00","text":"鍾佳濱、鍾佳濱，鍾佳濱不在。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-01-15T11:39:42.438714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-15T11:39:45.581571+08:00","text":"林德福、林德福，林德福不在。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-01-15T11:39:45.881571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-15T11:39:49.024429+08:00","text":"蘇清泉、蘇清泉，蘇清泉不在。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-01-15T11:39:49.324429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-15T11:39:52.467286+08:00","text":"王鴻薇、王鴻薇，王鴻薇不在。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-01-15T11:39:52.767286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-15T11:39:55.910143+08:00","text":"蔡易餘、蔡易餘，蔡易餘在，來。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}