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那我們所看到就是說很多人都說切斷電纜其實是被視為熱戰的這個前哨"},{"start":308.032,"end":312.275,"text":"那像過去這幾年我們這兩年來我們看到像去年的台馬二號啦台馬三號也都是被中國的漁船跟貨輪給勾斷了那今年初馬上就發現又發生了這一件事件所以那我們可以看到說像過去一年當中我們看到勾斷電纜的幾乎都是中國的這個貨輪不然就是俄羅斯的"},{"start":328.587,"end":348.754,"text":"這個大家都會認為說這是蓄意這是蓄意那當然也許後續還會發生類似的狀態所以我們在想說我們要如何去做防範因為畢竟這個海巡的這個業務畢竟還是你們是背了很大的這個責任那我們要如何防止類似的事情再次發生就像這個順興39號我們海巡是事件是完全"},{"start":352.975,"end":355.696,"text":"我們這邊要報告海巡署的立場海底電纜維護任務我們認為應該回歸墓地事業主管機關跟承商自行辦理為主"},{"start":373.137,"end":394.122,"text":"那海巡署僅協助突發狀況查證還有簡單說明因為我待會要請署發部長以事實上怎麼攔查修正跟代案偵辦等等那另外如果經中華電信初步研判他疑似外力破壞的話我們海巡署接受通報號會立即依雷達回放還有中華電信通報經緯度我們立即吊敗艦的情況查處必要時我們會協調在航軍艦測驗資源"},{"start":396.903,"end":424.695,"text":"那海上部下的時候我們會請在行軍艦進行蒐證協助那這部分特地要跟委員報告我們跟國安部跟跨部會都有協調過所以我是想說這個應該是要跨部會那這個部分的話我希望各位要加強好這部分這是屬於國安問題好那這個部分的話如果可以的話事後給我一份一個簡短的這個說明跟報告書面報告那我再來我要請署發部上來請署發部"},{"start":428.26,"end":448.859,"text":"政次嘛 缺政次嘛委員好是 書發部有提到說 如果說這電纜如果說要防範說以後會被截斷的這個 海巡署先回去喔那你們這邊有提到說 未來可能還會想要建立一個多元一直通訊系統我在你們報告裡面有看到這個部分"},{"start":449.399,"end":457.364,"text":"那可能要建立一些微波備援機制或是衛星備援機制等等我想請問一下你們這方面的業務費已經被砍到只剩下一塊錢你想講的這些做得到嗎?速發部被剪裂了12.7億剩下一塊錢你們這個做得到嗎?"},{"start":469.031,"end":488.01,"text":"妳現在提出來的這些我看妳的預算裡面有提到重點是這目標裡面有提到可是妳們現在速發不備在野黨砍了12.7億那妳們所提的這些萬一說我們的電纜被切斷了那我們這邊所要做的一些備援機制呢也沒錢可以做了那怎麼辦呢"},{"start":489.566,"end":505.964,"text":"整個台灣就成孤島了嗎?我們對外的聯繫全部都切斷了嗎?請速發布說明一下會造成什麼樣的後果?報告委員,那不只是海嵐,這個預算如果被刪除的話,包含了通訊任性跟治安協防,這些通通都會受到大幅的影響"},{"start":507.345,"end":531.66,"text":"那因為現在山下海預算連這個辦公室的尾運的水電費都沒有那所以這個是會造成我們所有的業務的重大影響那當然有一些有一些預算是用計畫在執行但是但是如果相關人員沒有沒有地方可以辦公那當然所有的所有的計畫都會所以嘛所以國人應該看得到了吧中國要簽到我們的電纜"},{"start":532.941,"end":546.652,"text":"然後再來呢我們的在野黨呢要把這些備援機制的這些經費全部都砍掉那這不是里應外合什麼叫做里應外合所以我想書發部這邊所以這些都沒辦法做了是不是都沒有辦法做了好 這個請國人看清楚好 以上謝謝謝謝羅美玲委員接下來我們請陳永康委員上台質詢"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"羅委員美玲","start":"2025-01-16T09:19:24+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-16T09:19:26.670000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，有請海巡署謝副署長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-01-16T09:19:26.670000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-16T09:19:29.340000+08:00","text":"請海巡署。","quality":0},{"speaker":"謝副署長慶欽","start":"2025-01-16T09:19:29.340000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T09:19:29.600000+08:00","text":"委員早。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員美玲","start":"2025-01-16T09:19:31.181000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T09:19:31.881000+08:00","text":"副署長，早安。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員美玲","start":"2025-01-16T09:19:32.901000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T09:19:50.745000+08:00","text":"我想請教一下，其實順興39號從2024年12月5號到2025年1月3號的期間，已經來來回回長達將近一個月的時間持續在北海岸的水域繞行，而且它的軌跡是非常可疑的，是重疊的8字型。","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"羅委員美玲","start":"2025-01-16T09:19:51.066000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T09:19:53.926000+08:00","text":"我想請問一下，海巡署在這一個月有發現順興39號嗎？有嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員美玲","start":"2025-01-16T09:19:56.987000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T09:20:01.211000+08:00","text":"請問有發現這很奇怪的船隻怎麼會在這裡來來回回行走嗎？","quality":0.88},{"speaker":"謝副署長慶欽","start":"2025-01-16T09:20:02.453000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T09:20:22.476000+08:00","text":"海巡署平常是依照我們的雷達系統，原則上偵測近岸12浬內，這個案子發生之後，我們事後從順興輪39號的AIS航跡來偵測，的確如委員所講的，這一個月來它的航行軌跡是異常的。","quality":0.89},{"speaker":"羅委員美玲","start":"2025-01-16T09:20:24.418000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T09:20:26.721000+08:00","text":"你們當時有發現嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員美玲","start":"2025-01-16T09:20:26.721000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T09:20:32.928000+08:00","text":"這艘船隻將近一個月的時間都在我們的北海岸繞行，難道海巡都沒有發現嗎？","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"謝副署長慶欽","start":"2025-01-16T09:20:34.309000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T09:20:48.646000+08:00","text":"包括最近在野柳外海的蒙古籍寶順輪，也包括在枋山南部的，如果有進到禁限制水域，我們有運用聯合情監偵手段，都會掌握不明目標。","quality":0.836},{"speaker":"謝副署長慶欽","start":"2025-01-16T09:20:48.886000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T09:21:19.720000+08:00","text":"原則上我們都會把它驅離，但這些權宜輪都長期滯留在我們的禁限制水域之外，應該說是鄰接區外、24浬內來回航行，不只這一艘，包括我剛才講的，目前我們在監控的蒙古籍寶順輪也是如此，我們把它驅離到24浬外，它就往彭佳嶼東北方48浬，雖然遠離了，但今天清晨又回到24浬，所以我們都持續掌控……","quality":0.832},{"speaker":"羅委員美玲","start":"2025-01-16T09:21:20.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T09:21:21.601000+08:00","text":"所以你們之前有驅離過順興39號嗎？","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"謝副署長慶欽","start":"2025-01-16T09:21:23.041000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T09:21:26.282000+08:00","text":"我們是經過報案第一時間到現場，之前……","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"羅委員美玲","start":"2025-01-16T09:21:26.963000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T09:21:29.824000+08:00","text":"事後發現電纜斷裂了之後，你們才過去，是不是？","quality":0.684},{"speaker":"羅委員美玲","start":"2025-01-16T09:21:29.904000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T09:21:29.964000+08:00","text":"這一個月來，你們其實有……","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"謝副署長慶欽","start":"2025-01-16T09:21:29.964000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-16T09:21:30.964000+08:00","text":"在1月3號……","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員美玲","start":"2025-01-16T09:21:29.964000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T09:21:31.084000+08:00","text":"本席想問，這段期間你們到底有沒有發現順興39號在這裡很異常的航行？","quality":0.828},{"speaker":"羅委員美玲","start":"2025-01-16T09:21:31.164000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T09:22:06.204000+08:00","text":"因為我有看到金融時報所提供的圖，你看這個航行的軌跡非常有問題、很可疑，因為一般船航行是直線，可是它來來回回呈現8字型，而它的軌跡不但跟我們電纜的位置所在嚴重重疊，且呈現垂直交叉，也有軍事專家說，其實它就是想要把我們的電纜給勾斷。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"羅委員美玲","start":"2025-01-16T09:22:06.204000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T09:22:06.364000+08:00","text":"海巡這邊的說法呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員美玲","start":"2025-01-16T09:22:06.384000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T09:22:06.464000+08:00","text":"你們認為呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員美玲","start":"2025-01-16T09:22:06.484000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T09:22:21.180000+08:00","text":"按照金融時報所提出來的圖，你們會覺得這個航行的路線是正常的嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員美玲","start":"2025-01-16T09:22:21.180000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T09:22:22.120000+08:00","text":"這是事後掌握的，對不對？","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"羅委員美玲","start":"2025-01-16T09:22:22.120000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-16T09:22:23.480000+08:00","text":"事前完全不曉得！","quality":0},{"speaker":"謝副署長慶欽","start":"2025-01-16T09:22:23.480000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T09:22:28.481000+08:00","text":"航跡上很可疑，當然有嫌疑，我們不排除任何可能，所以我們也全程掌握。","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"謝副署長慶欽","start":"2025-01-16T09:22:29.062000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T09:22:45.785000+08:00","text":"不過跟委員報告，我們從事後資料來研判，這一艘順興39號事實上也進基隆港好幾次，那麼現在很多常態就是在外海停留，等候船公司老闆下令，貨到齊之後才會進港，這個情形也有。","quality":0.918},{"speaker":"謝副署長慶欽","start":"2025-01-16T09:22:47.266000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T09:22:47.827000+08:00","text":"目前當然……","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員美玲","start":"2025-01-16T09:22:48.247000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T09:22:51.749000+08:00","text":"我想請教一下，你們有掌握到順興39號是怎麼樣的貨船？","quality":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","text":"委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員美玲","start":"2025-01-16T09:26:37.825000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T09:26:57.762000+08:00","text":"數發部有提到，如果以後要防範電纜被截斷，你們有提到未來可能還會想要建立一個多元異質通訊系統，我在您報告裡面有看到這個部分，包括可能要建立一些微波備援機制或是衛星備援機制等等。","quality":0.878},{"speaker":"羅委員美玲","start":"2025-01-16T09:26:58.122000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T09:27:00.363000+08:00","text":"我想請問一下，你們這方面的業務費已經被砍到只剩下一塊錢，你報告講的這些做得到嗎？","quality":0.946},{"speaker":"羅委員美玲","start":"2025-01-16T09:27:00.423000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T09:27:01.364000+08:00","text":"數發部被減列了12.7億，剩下一塊錢，所以這些你們做得到嗎？","quality":0.708},{"speaker":"羅委員美玲","start":"2025-01-16T09:27:13.151000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T09:27:31.990000+08:00","text":"你現在提出來的這些，我看你的預算裡面有提到、重點施政目標裡面有提到，可是你們數發部現在被在野黨砍了12.7億，那你們所提的這些，萬一我們的電纜被切斷了，我們這邊所要做的一些備援機制也沒錢可以做了，怎麼辦呢？","quality":0.891},{"speaker":"羅委員美玲","start":"2025-01-16T09:27:33.566000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T09:27:35.388000+08:00","text":"整個臺灣就成孤島了嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員美玲","start":"2025-01-16T09:27:35.388000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T09:27:37.751000+08:00","text":"我們對外的聯繫全部都切斷了嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員美玲","start":"2025-01-16T09:27:37.751000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T09:27:39.513000+08:00","text":"請數發部說明一下會造成什麼樣的後果。","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"闕次長河鳴","start":"2025-01-16T09:27:40.414000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T09:28:12.098000+08:00","text":"報告委員，不只是海纜，這個預算如果被刪除的話，包含的通訊韌性跟資安協防，這些通通都會受到大幅的影響，因為現在刪下來的預算，連辦公室維運的水電費都沒有了，這會造成我們所有業務有重大影響，當然有一些預算是用計畫在執行，但是如果相關人員沒有沒有地方可以辦公，當然所有的計畫都會受到影響。","quality":0.891},{"speaker":"羅委員美玲","start":"2025-01-16T09:28:12.778000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T09:28:14.279000+08:00","text":"所以國人應該看得到了吧！","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員美玲","start":"2025-01-16T09:28:14.780000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T09:28:27.249000+08:00","text":"中國要切斷我們的電纜，再來我們的在野黨要把這些備援機制的經費全部都砍掉，這不是裡應外合，什麼叫做裡應外合？","quality":0.918},{"speaker":"羅委員美玲","start":"2025-01-16T09:28:27.970000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T09:28:28.470000+08:00","text":"請教數發部，所以這些都沒辦法做了，是不是？對。","quality":0.789},{"speaker":"羅委員美玲","start":"2025-01-16T09:28:28.490000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T09:28:29.851000+08:00","text":"都沒有辦法做了，請國人看清楚，以上，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-01-16T09:28:29.851000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T09:28:30.172000+08:00","text":"謝謝羅美玲委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-01-16T09:28:30.172000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T09:28:30.652000+08:00","text":"接下來我們請陳永康委員上臺質詢。","quality":1}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}