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謝謝謝謝陳冠廷委員"},{"start":660.257,"end":662.543,"text":"接下來我們請李坤澄委員上台"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2025-01-16T11:01:40+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-16T11:01:43.264000+08:00","text":"先請海巡署。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-01-16T11:01:43.264000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-16T11:01:46.528000+08:00","text":"請海巡署。","quality":0},{"speaker":"謝副署長慶欽","start":"2025-01-16T11:01:46.528000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T11:01:46.628000+08:00","text":"委員好。你好。","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2025-01-16T11:01:47.148000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T11:02:03.642000+08:00","text":"想請教一下海巡署，這一次海纜割斷的狀況是3日上午8點被中華電信發現，12點通報海巡署，然後下午4點左右去攔檢該嫌疑船隻。","quality":0.98},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2025-01-16T11:02:03.642000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T11:02:06.705000+08:00","text":"在海巡署接獲通報的4個小時內，大概做了哪些工作？","quality":1},{"speaker":"謝副署長慶欽","start":"2025-01-16T11:02:07.486000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T11:02:08.227000+08:00","text":"我們第一時間……","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2025-01-16T11:02:08.227000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T11:02:11.710000+08:00","text":"首先請教一下正確的船舶名稱是什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"謝副署長慶欽","start":"2025-01-16T11:02:12.111000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T11:02:19.137000+08:00","text":"因為它兩個號碼一直在切換，從喀麥隆興順39又切換到順興39。","quality":0.708},{"speaker":"謝副署長慶欽","start":"2025-01-16T11:02:23.081000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T11:02:39.506000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，我們是12點40分接獲中華電信報案，通報是7點45分疑似海纜受損，我們接到通報第一時間依照我們的作業流程先回放雷達航跡，要找出可疑的船舶。","quality":0.921},{"speaker":"謝副署長慶欽","start":"2025-01-16T11:02:39.506000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T11:03:01.140000+08:00","text":"跟中華電信確定之後，馬上派遣100噸巡防艇趕到可疑的船舶那邊去攔截，在3點50分攔截到，4點40分我們現場要求到基隆港外海那邊接受調查，他也配合，然後我們就進行蒐證，包括照相、錄影。","quality":0.986},{"speaker":"謝副署長慶欽","start":"2025-01-16T11:03:02.181000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T11:03:16.409000+08:00","text":"接下來我們要登檢或者是請船長做筆錄，都要放小艇才有辦法過去，那天海象不好，平均風力6、7級陣風9級，浪高3到4米，所以我們就沒有放小艇登檢。","quality":0.879},{"speaker":"謝副署長慶欽","start":"2025-01-16T11:03:16.829000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T11:03:20.752000+08:00","text":"最重要的，第一個是海象不佳，沒辦法登檢。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"謝副署長慶欽","start":"2025-01-16T11:03:20.752000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T11:03:27.240000+08:00","text":"第二個是已經過了9個小時，所以不是現行犯，雖然有嫌疑，但是沒有具體事證，所以我們沒有扣留。","quality":0.949},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2025-01-16T11:03:27.967000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T11:03:32.948000+08:00","text":"好，我來確定一下，沒有登檢，那它是不是在12浬以內？","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"謝副署長慶欽","start":"2025-01-16T11:03:32.948000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T11:03:36.769000+08:00","text":"是11.3浬，是在12浬以內。","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2025-01-16T11:03:37.229000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T11:03:46.531000+08:00","text":"在12浬以內，所以如果氣候許可是可以登檢，行使我們所有的……因為它是在我們的領海內。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"謝副署長慶欽","start":"2025-01-16T11:03:46.531000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T11:03:52.033000+08:00","text":"是的，包括現在電信管理法第七十二條修過，對於故意跟過失都是有刑責。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2025-01-16T11:03:53.940000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T11:04:08.686000+08:00","text":"剛才林委員也有在質詢中問到，有一說是因為港務局或者港務公司沒有足夠的船席讓他們回來，或者是船席後續要支付的規費不足，所以不允許海巡帶回，有沒有這一說？","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"謝副署長慶欽","start":"2025-01-16T11:04:09.906000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T11:04:19.572000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，這個是我們在溝通過程中，可能就是雙方有誤解，因為要有代理行才能夠進去，但是扣案的話，事實上是可以特別處理。","quality":0.849},{"speaker":"謝副署長慶欽","start":"2025-01-16T11:04:20.072000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T11:04:32.519000+08:00","text":"不管怎麼樣，針對橫向聯繫，我們在1月6號馬上召開跨部會會議，目前有共識，以後類案的話，我們優先扣留船舶，然後航港局提供一切必要的資源。","quality":0.879},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2025-01-16T11:04:33.959000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T11:04:34.380000+08:00","text":"請航港局。","quality":1},{"speaker":"何主任文智","start":"2025-01-16T11:04:45.496000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T11:04:45.736000+08:00","text":"委員好。你好。","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2025-01-16T11:04:46.837000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T11:04:53.642000+08:00","text":"想請教一下，航港局當天是用什麼樣的原因來拒絕這些相關的船隻進來？","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2025-01-16T11:04:53.642000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T11:04:55.804000+08:00","text":"是剛才海巡署的意思嗎？","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"何主任文智","start":"2025-01-16T11:04:55.804000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T11:04:57.985000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，那天沒有拒絕的問題。","quality":0.643},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2025-01-16T11:04:57.985000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T11:04:58.906000+08:00","text":"沒有拒絕的問題？","quality":1},{"speaker":"何主任文智","start":"2025-01-16T11:04:58.906000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T11:04:59.186000+08:00","text":"是，沒有。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2025-01-16T11:04:59.707000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T11:05:01.428000+08:00","text":"那剛剛說的溝通有問題是溝通在……","quality":0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:"2025-01-16T11:08:01.426000+08:00","text":"接下來我想要請教一下交通部及中華電信。","quality":0.722},{"speaker":"林總經理榮賜","start":"2025-01-16T11:08:01.426000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-16T11:08:12.783000+08:00","text":"委員好。你好。","quality":0.2},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2025-01-16T11:08:12.783000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T11:08:14.766000+08:00","text":"想請教中華電信是否有計畫將海纜自動警戒系統裝設在國際海岸上？","quality":0.931},{"speaker":"林總經理榮賜","start":"2025-01-16T11:08:20.975000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T11:08:22.076000+08:00","text":"現在事實上我們就有。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2025-01-16T11:08:22.076000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-16T11:08:24.437000+08:00","text":"現在已經有了嗎？","quality":0.286},{"speaker":"林總經理榮賜","start":"2025-01-16T11:08:24.437000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T11:08:32.222000+08:00","text":"現在我們AIS的預警系統就對國際海纜的部分有做監視。","quality":0.88},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2025-01-16T11:08:33.403000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T11:08:35.204000+08:00","text":"有做監視，已經有了，對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林總經理榮賜","start":"2025-01-16T11:08:35.204000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T11:08:35.505000+08:00","text":"對，已經有了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2025-01-16T11:08:36.525000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T11:08:39.247000+08:00","text":"奇怪，這麼簡單的問題，為什麼我們辦公室問你們之後，你們就說：「你們明天要問嗎？","quality":0.758},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2025-01-16T11:08:39.888000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T11:08:45.471000+08:00","text":"」對，我們今天是要問，可是提早跟我們講，我們就知道整個狀況，這不是什麼大問題，好不好？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2025-01-16T11:08:45.491000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T11:08:45.832000+08:00","text":"海纜的狀況我們第一時間就要理解。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2025-01-16T11:08:50.014000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T11:08:54.237000+08:00","text":"我想請教一下，裝設系統有沒有需要多國協調的部分？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2025-01-16T11:08:54.357000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T11:08:57.899000+08:00","text":"就是哪一個地方或者哪一段是多國協調？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2025-01-16T11:08:57.899000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T11:09:00.021000+08:00","text":"還是只要我們想要，就可以去裝設？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林總經理榮賜","start":"2025-01-16T11:09:00.141000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T11:09:11.166000+08:00","text":"我們的監視系統是以AIS這個訊息為基礎，所以它的前提應該是船必須有裝AIS，這是第一個條件。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林總經理榮賜","start":"2025-01-16T11:09:11.787000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T11:09:21.090000+08:00","text":"按照現在的人道機制，有要求只要是客船，一定要裝；如果不是客船的話，一般的船300噸以上就要裝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林總經理榮賜","start":"2025-01-16T11:09:21.230000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T11:09:28.012000+08:00","text":"但是可能還是有一些船並沒有這樣做，或者是剛才談到有些船可能是一艘船裝了好幾個。","quality":0.919},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2025-01-16T11:09:28.112000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T11:09:32.113000+08:00","text":"另外一個部分是中華電信有沒有加入國際海纜保護組織？","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"林總經理榮賜","start":"2025-01-16T11:09:33.994000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T11:09:35.315000+08:00","text":"我們加入很多個國際海纜的組織。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2025-01-16T11:09:36.874000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T11:09:39.756000+08:00","text":"但是目前尚未加入國際海纜組織嘛？","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"林總經理榮賜","start":"2025-01-16T11:09:39.756000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T11:09:42.439000+08:00","text":"要看您提的是哪一個，因為我們舉個例子……","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2025-01-16T11:09:42.579000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T11:09:43.920000+08:00","text":"ICPC。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林總經理榮賜","start":"2025-01-16T11:09:43.920000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-16T11:09:46.342000+08:00","text":"ICPC是新的……","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2025-01-16T11:09:46.342000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T11:10:16.226000+08:00","text":"沒有關係，沒有加入的話，我們就……我想請教類似這樣的國際合作的狀況，比方這次事故發生的地段，海纜的使用國家不只臺灣，包含中國也有使用，所以我也希望在質詢臺上跟所有的民眾報告，它每一次對海纜的切割，不是針對臺灣一個國家傷害而已，它可能傷害的是周邊各國，甚至包含中國的使用國。","quality":0.894},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2025-01-16T11:10:16.226000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T11:10:33.454000+08:00","text":"所以我們希望類似這樣子的狀況，包含中華電信的海纜馬上偵測到、馬上反應，我們也要跟國際社會講它的傷害不只是針對臺灣一個國家的傷害，它所傷害到的是整個國際層面都有包含。","quality":0.948},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2025-01-16T11:10:34.874000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T11:10:45.636000+08:00","text":"所以這個部分我希望中華電信未來針對我們遇到的相關狀況，以及它所影響的國家，也可以透過國際平臺讓大家知道，這點可不可以？","quality":0.891},{"speaker":"林總經理榮賜","start":"2025-01-16T11:10:45.897000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T11:11:13.934000+08:00","text":"委員，我補充一下，國內的離島海纜與國際的海纜情形不太一樣，如果是以國內的離島海纜來講，因為它是點對點，譬如臺灣對金門，這一斷就全斷了，這是國內的情形；以國際來講，有些當然是點對點，但是以這次來講，事實上是有一個match的，簡單講，就是中間有一條主幹，然後各個國家接上去，這一次斷的是斷在我們接上去那邊，所以這一次斷是臺灣第一個受影響。","quality":0.907},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2025-01-16T11:11:15.185000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T11:11:16.126000+08:00","text":"臺灣是第一個受影響？是。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林總經理榮賜","start":"2025-01-16T11:11:16.966000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T11:11:24.492000+08:00","text":"再來就是看接上去這一段裡面有沒有其他國家的電路，如果有，他們也會受影響，但不是每一個都受影響。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2025-01-16T11:11:24.492000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T11:11:27.154000+08:00","text":"所以這一次中國有沒有受到影響？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林總經理榮賜","start":"2025-01-16T11:11:27.154000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T11:11:27.554000+08:00","text":"應該也有部分。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2025-01-16T11:11:27.834000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T11:11:52.949000+08:00","text":"也有部分受到影響，謝謝數位部，我們的資訊是吻合的，現在因為每一個部門掌管的區段都不一樣，所以可能真的是要跨部會，因為我聽數位部講不只一個國家會受到影響，你剛才已經證實了，包含中國都有可能因為他們這次傷害我們的電纜，也會受到一些數據的影響，這次好像是切斷4芯，總共大概16芯，這次切斷到4芯，是這樣嗎？","quality":0.91},{"speaker":"林總經理榮賜","start":"2025-01-16T11:11:52.949000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T11:11:53.429000+08:00","text":"應該是全斷了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2025-01-16T11:11:53.789000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T11:11:54.169000+08:00","text":"全斷了？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2025-01-16T11:11:55.790000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T11:12:09.455000+08:00","text":"這一個部分未來請數位部給我們的資訊要正確一點，因為他們跟我們講是部分斷裂，所以拜託以後數位韌性的部分有韌性司，這些相關的訊息我們可不可以跟他們講清楚一點？","quality":0.89},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2025-01-16T11:12:09.455000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T11:12:31.240000+08:00","text":"因為我們接到的訊息是局部破壞掉，其他大部分都能夠通訊，前天我們直接問的時候是這樣，中華電信自己本身是受到影響的，你們在跨部會溝通，特別是跟數位韌性相關部會的時候，要把真實的狀況跟他們講，這樣子我們在質詢的時候也更有所本，好不好？好。謝謝。","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-01-16T11:12:31.240000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T11:12:31.920000+08:00","text":"謝謝陳冠廷委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-01-16T11:12:40.257000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T11:12:42.523000+08:00","text":"接下來請李坤城委員上臺質詢。","quality":0.769}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}