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該滯留就滯留今天我們一直說要展現給國外看剛剛有委員在問潛艦我們要展現給國外看"},{"start":670.62,"end":675.785,"text":"國防預算是發揮戰力獲得戰力保衛國家的一個重要的預算而不是要維持船長或者要展現給別人看我覺得我們的重要的預算支出應該是要用在這裡"},{"start":688.899,"end":693.02,"text":"一樣的今天如果我們要展現給國外說要協助我們一起打擊犯罪那我們就要集結作為你自己都沒有去查都沒有去滯留都沒有去蒐證那你要叫別人幫我們做也不可能所以這個部分我們特別提出來另外在另外的部分就是說我想用一點點時間請教部長因為在那個國軍專業兵科化學兵是我們的專業軍種"},{"start":718.869,"end":722.051,"text":"那我們這一次好像也配合衛福部環境部編了3.6億的這個預算可是我覺得最不可思議而且非常"},{"start":733.052,"end":760.211,"text":"就是有一個特別的我覺得可能這個對我們是一個很大的恥辱為什麼環境部規劃這個全案各部會工作任務的時候他的專家評估他說國防部的化學兵部隊編制的偵檢防護以及消除裝備無法完全滿足災害防救法有關資源毒性及關注化學物質災害防救任務所需"},{"start":761.352,"end":779.032,"text":"國防部年年的預算都創新高而且就現在環境部要買的這些東西幾年前國防部也買過了我們大量購置這些高大上的先進武器買的時候都跟我們說非常好非常先進而且都可以發揮它的功能"},{"start":780.814,"end":783.415,"text":"甚至在疫情發生的時候這麼嚴重的傳染病我們的化學兵也到處去消毒然後到處去噴灑然後到處去做防護現在環境部要編這樣的預算的時候他說我們的化學兵我們的裝備這些是不符合"},{"start":799.322,"end":819.496,"text":"這些需求的這樣是大大的打臉我們國防部而且衛福部的人才或相關的他們的訓練會比我們國防部的化學兵還好嗎就這個部分我們請國防部我們請部長是不是就這個部分就可以再去檢討或者提出更具體的說明為什麼是他們買"},{"start":821.86,"end":838.015,"text":"是,化學兵的編制的部分還有這個在因應災害防救的有關資源、毒性及關注化學物質災害防救任務的這個部分有關所必須要的一些能量,我們會再跟環境部來做一個協調"},{"start":839.016,"end":851.92,"text":"我看過環境部買的東西啊那都是我們國防部之前都買過的啊他到底有沒有比我們更好不知道那誰要去操作不知道我們的化學兵已經是我們國內最訓練最有數而且他是特別的軍種再次強調如果連環境部都看不起我們化學兵那我們過去買的這些武器裝備到底是對誰交代這個部分請部長再去了解一下然後提供給我們更具體的一個說明好不好好謝謝"},{"start":870.256,"end":873.364,"text":"謝謝馬文君委員部長局長請回"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2025-01-16T12:05:21+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-16T12:05:31.650000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，麻煩請國安局局長、國防部部長、中華電信，還有海巡署，謝謝。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2025-01-16T12:05:31.650000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T12:05:31.650000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2025-01-16T12:05:32.450000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T12:05:33.871000+08:00","text":"早安，部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2025-01-16T12:05:34.771000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T12:06:04.761000+08:00","text":"今天主要的議題是討論我們海底電纜被破壞的事情，剛剛也聽到非常多委員在垂詢，可是我們現在從兩個面向來看，第一個就是從報告裡面或者剛剛的詢答可以很清楚的知道，我們海底電纜被破壞或者是損壞，這樣的狀況其實不是第一次發生，可是這一次為什麼放大到這麼大，讓它們的能見度擴散？","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2025-01-16T12:06:06.122000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T12:06:14.765000+08:00","text":"因為第一，我們沒有直接抓到；第二，也沒有直接把他當現行犯處置。","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2025-01-16T12:06:16.105000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T12:06:42.873000+08:00","text":"現在說被破壞了，這顯然讓大家覺得灰色地帶這個部分非常嚴重，可是事實上灰色地帶或者在我們的海面上繁星點點，對於所有的漁船，尤其是他們越界的狀況，從金馬裁軍以後其實已經是常態了。","quality":0.901},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2025-01-16T12:06:43.293000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T12:06:59.178000+08:00","text":"我們常常會看到……前陣子發生的狀況，這個距離現在是不是最近我並不曉得，但按照媒體的報導，它是在7浬，甚至在我們的內水裡面，雖然是十一點多，可是事實上還是在我們的領海裡面。","quality":0.88},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2025-01-16T12:07:02.422000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T12:07:25.334000+08:00","text":"可以想像，今天如果在我們家裡疑似發生竊案，有小偷進來做很奇怪的作為，可是就讓他跑了，到最後才發現我們真的丟了東西，這樣的處置作為是我們應該有的作為嗎？","quality":0.942},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2025-01-16T12:07:25.875000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T12:07:30.418000+08:00","text":"現在我們在後面檢討這些作法的目的到底是什麼？","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2025-01-16T12:07:30.418000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T12:07:32.280000+08:00","text":"這是我特別要說的第一個面向。","quality":1},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2025-01-16T12:07:33.461000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T12:07:57.374000+08:00","text":"之前我們看到有很多，甚至上岸了，他坐著小艇就直接上我們臺灣本土，還有過去看到有非常多，不管是玉石、茶壺、黃魚等等，其實那都是在海上交換，這些其實都已經由來已久，可是這個案子特別把它放大，這是我今天特別要問的。","quality":0.946},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2025-01-16T12:07:57.715000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T12:08:06.132000+08:00","text":"老實說，這麼多的漁船抓都抓不完，現在只能透過他們比較詭異的作為、航跡或是路線，他們在做什麼並不曉得，其實你們都應該要馬上、積極因應，可是海巡接到訊息的時候好像是5個小時以後了，這是第一個。","quality":0.869},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2025-01-16T12:08:06.132000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T12:08:30.466000+08:00","text":"我們不希望利用這樣的個案……雖然已經發生了，你們最後說要跟國際合作，如果像你們這樣的作為，等到他去韓國，要請韓國幫你們查，那誰要跟你們合作？","quality":0.903},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2025-01-16T12:08:30.586000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T12:08:31.026000+08:00","text":"你們自己都沒有能力可以做好。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2025-01-16T12:08:31.787000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T12:08:32.687000+08:00","text":"如同剛剛我說的，家裡遭小偷，你會報警，發現警力有所不足的時候，可能還會再呼叫更多的警力來支援。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2025-01-16T12:08:33.047000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T12:09:22.361000+08:00","text":"海巡出去的時候，你說風浪太大、海象不好，然後也沒有找海軍，當海巡沒有辦法作為的時候就讓他跑了，應該就讓他按照既定的……今天如果通知海軍，你們的軍艦過來至少可以遲滯或者把他滯留，還是影響他既定的進程，這些你們都沒有做，到現在才檢討說要跟國際合作，而且還叫韓國去查，韓國為什麼要幫你們查？","quality":0.586},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2025-01-16T12:09:22.961000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T12:09:29.845000+08:00","text":"你們自己都沒有做了，所以就戰術作為來講，我覺得是一個很大的問題。","quality":0.862},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2025-01-16T12:09:29.845000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T12:10:03.387000+08:00","text":"舉例來說，去年歐洲波羅的海其實也發生過類似的狀況，中國籍的貨輪其實也破壞了他們的海底電纜，他們馬上集結周邊的國家，像瑞典、德國，他們馬上去調查，而且強勢登船檢查，這時候陸委會的功能就來了，今天如果它有可能被破壞，或者他有違法的行為，你們就應該叫陸委會據理力爭，但現在我們還看不到。","quality":0.945},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2025-01-16T12:10:03.527000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T12:10:05.709000+08:00","text":"現在我們在這裡討論，可是船呢？","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2025-01-16T12:10:07.491000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T12:10:21.825000+08:00","text":"你們海巡署也有無人機，現在大家說無人機有多重要、要買無人機，預算編了一大堆，海巡署也有無人機，而且看看你們公告的內容，你們無人機的能力多強，結果你們當時有做無人機蒐證嗎？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2025-01-16T12:10:21.825000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T12:10:24.027000+08:00","text":"我剛剛舉的歐洲的例子，就是除了登船檢查，在過程當中，也用無人機去做蒐證，反觀我們呢？","quality":0.919},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2025-01-16T12:10:34.390000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T12:10:57.135000+08:00","text":"海軍也有，國防部也有，這些單位都有，你們過去買了那麼多武器裝備，可是每次事情發生的時候都沒有用，就像之前中共的那個案例，到底他是什麼身分不曉得，但他跑到我們臺灣本土了，對此，你們說雷達測不到，可是已經買了那麼多的東西，那你們到底可以做什麼？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2025-01-16T12:10:57.135000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T12:10:58.115000+08:00","text":"這是第一點。","quality":1},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2025-01-16T12:10:58.115000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T12:11:24.207000+08:00","text":"第二個，就是我們的戰術作為，剛剛有提到戰術作為的部分，像我們是不是應該要登船檢查；此外，它已經破壞我們的海底電纜，中華電信剛剛提到，會通報國土辦還有數發部，這兩個單位其實都剛剛成立不久，那之前呢？","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2025-01-16T12:11:24.828000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T12:11:27.289000+08:00","text":"之前如果發生被破壞的情況，你們是怎麼處置的？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"林總經理榮賜","start":"2025-01-16T12:11:27.289000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-16T12:11:30.558000+08:00","text":"通傳會，當時是通傳會。","quality":0},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2025-01-16T12:11:30.558000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T12:11:32.138000+08:00","text":"你在那裡回答，我沒有辦法聽到。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"林總經理榮賜","start":"2025-01-16T12:11:33.559000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T12:11:34.520000+08:00","text":"在數發部之前是通傳會。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2025-01-16T12:11:34.560000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T12:11:34.860000+08:00","text":"你通知了數發部，結果呢？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2025-01-16T12:11:34.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T12:11:37.861000+08:00","text":"結果5個小時以後，海巡才過去，所以你通知了數發部以後，結果呢？","quality":0.885},{"speaker":"林總經理榮賜","start":"2025-01-16T12:11:37.981000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T12:11:38.602000+08:00","text":"這次就是會把聯繫的方式再加強、再強化。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2025-01-16T12:11:57.046000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T12:11:57.907000+08:00","text":"聯繫的方式再強化？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2025-01-16T12:11:57.907000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-16T12:11:58.907000+08:00","text":"好虛無縹緲的形容詞！","quality":0},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2025-01-16T12:11:58.307000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T12:12:47.148000+08:00","text":"對，跟委員報告，我們有做過一個跨部會的協調，現在就我們海軍的部分，會有一個重點海域的監視區，海軍的雷達站如果發現了，像現在海纜布設的海域周遭，如果有可疑的船舶滯留、下錨，或者有一個可疑航跡的時候，我們就這個部分，利用觀通雷達加強監控，掌握水面的目標以及進行識別之後，就會立即回報我們的艦隊作戰中心跟我們的JOCC，同時也會回報給海巡的勤指中心，然後來加強蒐證。","quality":0.902},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2025-01-16T12:12:47.268000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T12:12:49.991000+08:00","text":"部長，這個部分我們現在用口頭敘述或書面或可能會比較理想化，因為這個本來就有了，現在我們的雷達可以偵蒐的部分，就我剛剛講的，海面上繁星點點，尤其是權宜船，或者像正統登記的貨輪，其實並不在我們偵蒐的範圍。","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2025-01-16T12:12:49.991000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T12:13:16.352000+08:00","text":"現在的問題是它已經距離非常近、已經到我們的領海裡面，甚至在我們的內水裡面，而且它有詭異的航跡，我們卻沒有作為，這是第一點。","quality":0.891},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2025-01-16T12:13:16.352000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T12:13:37.990000+08:00","text":"第二個，我們應該要有什麼樣的處置，剛剛部長有提到，我們的雷達可以偵測到這一些，可是之前發生那些事件的時候，卻都說我們的雷達沒有辦法偵測；像貨輪當然比較大型，我們海巡過去的時候，卻沒有辦法靠近，理由是什麼？","quality":0.913},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2025-01-16T12:13:37.990000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T12:13:38.070000+08:00","text":"他說：海象不好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2025-01-16T12:13:38.110000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T12:13:38.591000+08:00","text":"我們臺灣平常的海象就是這麼不好，那不是就變成無能為力了？","quality":0.885},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2025-01-16T12:13:38.611000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T12:13:58.323000+08:00","text":"所以我才說，當他們海巡艇過去，體型顯得太小的時候，你就必須派我們海軍的艦艇過去干擾他們，你的戰術作為應該是這些，我們剛剛說的那些偵蒐，你們在買無人機的時候，都告訴我們說，這些無人機都可以做到，可是在這一次無人機卻完全派不上用場，也沒有讓其飛出去，這是第一點。","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2025-01-16T12:13:58.323000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T12:13:59.243000+08:00","text":"第二個，我現在想要說的是，如果未來發生類似這樣的狀況，我們應該要有強勢的作為。","quality":0.943},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2025-01-16T12:13:59.243000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T12:14:23.403000+08:00","text":"今天如果有任何一個國家，包括對岸中國大陸，不管是什麼樣的船，它已經進到我們的領海，進到我們的內水，而且可能有一些破壞行為的時候，我們本來就要強勢，今天在我們這裡發生事情，你都不做什麼作為了，然後你想要跟國際合作，請問誰要幫我們？","quality":0.854},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2025-01-16T12:14:23.403000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T12:14:23.523000+08:00","text":"這是第二點。","quality":1},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2025-01-16T12:14:37.832000+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化學物質災害防救任務，對於一些必須要的能量，我們會再跟環境部來做協調。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2025-01-16T12:19:20.016000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T12:19:23.777000+08:00","text":"我看過環境部買的東西，都是國防部之前買過的！","quality":1},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2025-01-16T12:19:24.577000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T12:19:25.898000+08:00","text":"到底有沒有比國防部更好？","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2025-01-16T12:19:26.238000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T12:19:26.478000+08:00","text":"不知道！","quality":1},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2025-01-16T12:19:27.498000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T12:19:28.018000+08:00","text":"誰要去操作？","quality":1},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2025-01-16T12:19:28.278000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T12:19:28.538000+08:00","text":"不知道！","quality":1},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2025-01-16T12:19:28.938000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T12:19:30.179000+08:00","text":"我們的化學兵不僅是國內訓練最有素，而且還是特別的軍種。","quality":0.84},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2025-01-16T12:19:30.179000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T12:19:32.119000+08:00","text":"我要再次強調，如果連環境部都看不起我們的化學兵，那麼過去所買的這些武器裝備到底是對誰交代？","quality":0.881},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2025-01-16T12:19:32.219000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T12:19:32.920000+08:00","text":"這部分請部長再去了解一下，提供一個更具體的說明，好不好？好。謝謝。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-01-16T12:19:51.256000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-01-16T12:19:53.963000+08:00","text":"謝謝馬文君委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-01-16T12:19:54.463000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-16T12:19:58.177286+08:00","text":"王鴻薇、王鴻薇，王鴻薇委員不在。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-01-16T12:19:58.477286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-16T12:20:06.191571+08:00","text":"已登記質詢的委員除不在場者外，均已發言完畢，報告及詢答結束。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-01-16T12:20:06.491571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-01-16T12:20:32.491571+08:00","text":"本日會議有黃捷委員、羅智強委員提出書面質詢，請列入紀錄並刊登公報，請相關機關以書面於二週內答復；委員口頭質詢未及答復部分或要求補充資料者，亦請相關機關以書面於二週內提供，委員另約定期限者，從其所定。","quality":0.022}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}