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保育法草案〉案〈海洋保育法草案〉案〈海洋保育法草案〉案〈海洋保育法草案〉案〈海洋保育法"},{"start":2612.211,"end":2631.116,"text":"財務資源處檢任基政傅珍琦、原住民經濟發展處處長宋利儒、國家科學技術委員會自然科學永續研究發展處副處長陳曉琳、"},{"start":2640.194,"end":2667.245,"text":"國家發展委員會社會發展處專門委員施乃元行政院主計處公務預算處專門委員邱碧珠基金預算處專門委員戴琴芳行政院人事總處"},{"start":2669.901,"end":2695.35,"text":"主編人力處專門委員谷炎玲好,謝謝。好。好,那我來補充報告我們現場的委員有高進素美我們的總召,謝謝。還有我們王美惠委員。好,習宇珍委員。好,謝謝。"},{"start":2702.725,"end":2713.889,"text":"好,跟各位委員報告本日議程所內的法案。閱以本會113年3月13號,第11屆第1次第6次會議,審打結束。本會以3月25日舉辦一場公聽會,並以3月28第8次的會議的結議,請海洋委員會以一個月內,"},{"start":2732.316,"end":2756.589,"text":"辦理五場公聽會災案是以4月29日以第八次的會議決議要求新增一場公聽會。現公聽會程序亦已完成本日時進行條文審查,以求立法之完善遭言。"},{"start":2762.388,"end":2766.352,"text":"人擬具〈海洋保育法草案案〉案第15次的會議。好,謝謝。報告委員會,現在進行法案審查,請先讀討論。"},{"start":2786.278,"end":2797.022,"text":"海洋保育法草案第18案等18案所有的條文修正動議互代結議請一併先讀請先讀"},{"start":2810.658,"end":2814.942,"text":"委員你要提案說明哦哦哦哦哦哦哦哦哦哦哦哦哦哦哦哦哦哦哦哦哦哦哦哦哦哦哦哦哦哦哦哦"},{"start":2833.085,"end":2835.746,"text":"國內屬於海島型國家,在進行周邊海域的保育工作,這是有助於促進海洋永續利用以及海洋權益的發展,這也符合國際上的趨勢。"},{"start":2850.911,"end":2868.083,"text":"在世界潮流的影響之下我國更應該要運用臺灣原住民族6000年以上的海洋保育的經驗然後藉由原住民對自然的理解來一起協助政府瞭解7D"},{"start":2868.283,"end":2869.284,"text":"人擬具〈海洋保育法草案〉案〉案〉"},{"start":2886.341,"end":2900.998,"text":"因此本席就擬具海洋保育法草案規範相關政策的制定還有區域的劃設。主管機關必須要會同原住民族中央主管機關以及其他有關的機關。"},{"start":2905.003,"end":2933.108,"text":"至於審議會的組成原住民等等民間的人士的代表的比例應該要達三分之二用來確保我國的海洋保育政策是符合我國的民情並且有效的達到本法立法的目的我們希望立這個法也不要忽視原住民族對海洋的知識也不要忽視長期以來靠海"},{"start":2934.388,"end":2935.349,"text":"人擬具〈海洋保育法草案〉案。"},{"start":2967.081,"end":2971.583,"text":"現在宣讀其餘個案以及修正動議與附帶決議。"},{"start":2994.392,"end":3011.716,"text":"法名稱均同行政院提案第一章章明均同行政院提案第一條委員羅天偉等18人提案同委員楊瓊瓔等20人提案文徐宇珍等20人提案與保育海洋生物多樣性後面增加合理利用海洋生物資源等文字其餘同行政院提案委員莊銳雄等20人提案"},{"start":3012.176,"end":3038.639,"text":"第一條,為保護海洋生態環境、促進海洋生物多樣性之保育及富裕協調並促進海洋保護區之規劃及執行推動海洋保育教育、特制定本法台灣民眾黨黨團提案,增加達成以自然為本的氣候邊遷解決方案文字其餘同委員楊瓊瓔等20人提案委員賴瑞龍等18人提案第一條,為保護海洋生態環境、增進海洋生物多樣性及其保育與富裕促進海洋保護區之整合規劃與執行以及推動海洋保育教育、特制定本法"},{"start":3039.68,"end":3051.728,"text":"委員高金素梅等22人提案第一條為保護海洋生態環境保育與賦予海洋生物多樣性促進海洋保護區域之整合規劃及執行並推動海岸保育教育工作特制定本法其餘個案均同請政院提案"},{"start":3053.533,"end":3080.054,"text":"委員羅廷偉等18人提案第二條國家海洋保育目標為中華民國119年保護至少三分之一的海域。前項海域指中華民國領海外界線以內水域面積及金門、馬祖與太平島禁限制水域。委員蘇巧慧等16人提案第二條中央主管機關應明定我國海洋保育目標及其成並定期檢討之海洋保護區及置化設計管轄以中華民國領海臨界區禁止水域限制水域專屬經濟海域及大陸礁層之海域為範圍。"},{"start":3082.056,"end":3107.734,"text":"人擬具〈海洋保育法草案案〉案〉第二條,第一項同委員楊瓊瓔等20人擬具〈海洋保育法草案〉案第二條,第二項為前項所稱海域適用範圍為中華民國領海及中華民國專屬經濟海域及大陸教成法第二條所維護之範圍,為高精素酶等22人擬具〈海洋保育法草案〉案第二條,為符合國際海洋保護趨勢促進海洋永續利用,政府應將國家海洋保育目標設定為中華民國119年前保護至少30%的海域,前項海域指中華民國專"},{"start":3111.517,"end":3133.656,"text":"第二條委員羅廷偉等18人臺灣民眾黨黨團委員高金素梅等22人提案第三條同委員楊秋英等20人提案第三條其餘各案均同行政院提案第三條委員徐宇貞等20人提案增加第九款第十款文字分別為九漁業人指漁業權人入漁權人及或其他依漁業法經營漁業之人"},{"start":3134.296,"end":3151.198,"text":"使漁業從業人指漁船船員及其他為漁業人採捕或養殖水產凍植物之人其餘同行政院提案委員羅廷偉等18人提案第四條第四款倒數第二項文字為因化社核心區緩衝區及永續利用區其餘同委員楊瓊瓔等20人提案之第四條"},{"start":3152.179,"end":3179.218,"text":"委員洪森漢等16人提案第五款為五、海洋庇護區只基於海洋生態系統具生物多樣性價值而有特別保護之必要一本法所劃定之海洋保護區並得以核心區緩衝區及永續利用區進行分區管理其餘同行政院提案台灣民眾黨黨團提案第四條第八款為八、海洋保育突發事件系指事件發生時無法預知非屬循環性且對海洋生態系統有不利影響之餘其餘同委員楊瓊瓊等20人提案之第四條"},{"start":3180.158,"end":3194.939,"text":"委員賴瑞隆等18人提案第四款為四海洋保護區指各目的事業主管機關一本法或其他法律劃定之海域與其皮靈之陸域以達到保護生物多樣性特殊自然景觀或永續利用之生態資源第六款第七款分別為六核心區"},{"start":3195.74,"end":3220.669,"text":"位長期保護海洋生物生態環境生物多樣性並提供學術研究因嚴格保護並限制開發利用行為與人員進入所劃設之區域稀緩沖區指靈接或環繞於核心區針對人為活動有所管理限制以保護核心區可作為研究發展之區域其他具有生態潛力區域的獨立劃設其餘同行政院提案委員皋金素美等22人提案第4條及其餘個案均同行政院提案"},{"start":3221.909,"end":3249.887,"text":"委員羅廷偉等18人提案第5條同委員楊瓊瓔等20人提案第5條委員羅美玲等17人委員賴瑞榮等18人提案第5條第5條中央主管機關應訂定國家海洋保育綱領明定總體規劃與推動海洋保育策略與機制報警行政院核定後實施前向國家海洋保育綱領應每5年至少檢討一次臺灣民眾黨黨團提案第5條為達成海洋生物多樣性永續發展及因應氣候變遷之目標中央主管機關應召開國家海洋保育審議議會"},{"start":3251.468,"end":3267.798,"text":"並制定國家海洋保育綱領。其內容應包括海洋保護育整體規劃原則推動海洋保護育等治理策略與機制。海洋保護區每年化身目標及海洋保育類動植物保育服務目標報請行政院核定後實施,作為各級政府海洋保護育海洋治理及規劃之依據。"},{"start":3269.279,"end":3286.157,"text":"前項國家海洋保育綱領因每5年至少檢討一次國家海洋保育綱領制訂定及檢討因公開展覽30日及舉行聽證會中央主管機關每年應編寫海洋保育成果報告書內容因科學數據為基礎至少包含前一年海洋保育類動植物保育賦育成果目標達成清醒"},{"start":3287.697,"end":3301.468,"text":"及海洋保護區劃設目標達成請行報請行政院核定後公開上網未能達成每年保育賦育及海洋保護區劃設目標行政院應命中央主管機關於三個月內提報改善計劃與行政院核定改善計劃應蒐集學者、專家、民間團體及公眾運監作為檢討修正參考"},{"start":3304.87,"end":3325.043,"text":"第一項審議會之委員為五己職,其設置辦法由中央主管機關訂定之。其中專家、學者、民間保育團體及原住民等不具官方身份之代表不得少於委員總人數三分之二。第一項委員之組成選任海洋保育綱領之具體審議程序。第二項檢討及聽證程序等相關辦法由中央主管機關訂定,報請行政院核定後實施。第四條"},{"start":3327.711,"end":3354.943,"text":"人提案前段文字為未達成海洋生物多樣性及因應氣候變遷之目標其餘同行政院提案委員徐宇珍等20人提案增加第二項文字為前項海洋保護區之整合規劃及執行由主管機關會同有關主管機關定之其餘同行政院提案委員莊瑞雄等20人提案中段增加依照國家海洋政策白皮書提供海洋保育整合規劃以作為海洋保育等治理策略之依據文字其餘同行政院提案委員蘇巧慧等16人提案第五條"},{"start":3355.503,"end":3365.334,"text":"提案﹖增加第一項國家應致力於海洋保育工作推廣正確海洋保育知識促使國民積極落實海洋保育措施其餘同行政院提案委員羅廷偉等18人提案第6條同委員楊瓊瓔等20人提案第6條臺灣民眾黨黨團提案第6條"},{"start":3370.56,"end":3386.347,"text":"主管機關及各目的事業主管機關之海洋或海岸利用行為開發許可程序各種海洋保育措施保護海洋生物棲息環境及化停海洋保護區時應考量生態系統途徑以自然為本的解決方案累積效益預警原則最佳可得科學資訊等有利於海洋保育之原則。"},{"start":3388.088,"end":3415.656,"text":"前向開發行為之環境影響評估或環境社會文化影響評估應納入藍炭生態系之氣候變遷風險評估委員賴瑞龍等18人提案第5條主管機關應採取各種海洋保育措施保護海洋生物棲息環境及劃定海洋保護區時應考量海洋生物多樣性以確保海洋生物物種籍生態系之多樣性委員高金素梅等20人提案第5條及其餘個案均同行政院提案第二章張明個案張明均同行政院提案"},{"start":3416.616,"end":3425.123,"text":"第五條,委員莊瑞雄等20人提案,第11款改為,十一其他經中央主管機關認定有效保育措施之區域其餘同行政院提案第一項。"},{"start":3426.758,"end":3445.747,"text":"委員羅廷偉等18人臺灣民眾黨黨團提案第7條同委員楊瓊瓔等20人提案第7條委員賴瑞龍等18人提案第6條第一項同委員楊瓊瓔等20人提案第7條第二項同行政院提案第5條第二項委員蘇巧慧等16人委員羅美玲等17人委員高金世美等20人提案第6條及其餘個案均同行政院提案"},{"start":3446.627,"end":3467.592,"text":"議員第6條委員王美惠等17議員提案第三項後段增訂並於規劃及檢討階段提供必要諮詢後召開公聽會納入相關利害關係人專家學者公民團體之意見主管機關應具體回復涉及多數不同利益之人或多數不同行政機關權限者應經公開及聽證程序文字其餘同行政院提案"},{"start":3468.272,"end":3494.98,"text":"委員鄭天才等19人提案第一項第二項同行政院提案第三項為第一項整體海洋保護區管理政策方針應尊重維護保存傳統用海智慧等海洋文化資產保障與傳承原住民族傳統用海文化及權益第四項第五項第六項同行政院提案之第三四五項委員徐宇貞等20人提案第二項增加第六款文字為六海洋保護區原漁業人漁業從業人之照顧原第六款一列第七款其餘同行政院提案"},{"start":3495.72,"end":3522.134,"text":"委員莊瑞雄等20人提案第一項前段增加一國家海洋政策白皮書文字增加第六項第七項分別為中央主管機關於訂定第二項第三款第三款第二款第三款及第五款時應邀請專家學者有關機關代表相關民間團體相代表相關法人代表及其他適當相關人員召開公聽會並製作會議記錄及公開之辦理前項業務之相關事項辦法由中央主管機關定之其與同行政院提案委員羅廷瑞等18人提案臺灣民眾黨黨團"},{"start":3525.116,"end":3553.413,"text":"提案第8條同委員楊秋瑩等20人提案第8條委員賴瑞隆等18人提案第7條中央主管機關一國家海洋保育綱領因會商有關機關訂定國家海洋保護區管理計劃報請行政院核定後實施其變更事宜統前項計劃內容應包括下列事項一計劃範圍二計劃目標三海洋保護區之分類及分級四海洋保護區之規劃及管理措施五海洋生態保護與整體規劃措施六整體海洋調查管理及監測七海洋保護區相關措施對利害關係人影響"},{"start":3554.253,"end":3582.575,"text":"八、海洋保護區之檢討及成效評估。九、其他與海洋保護區管理有關之事項。指轄市縣市政府亦國家海洋保育綱領得就前項第一款至第五款提出指轄市縣市海洋保護區管理計劃。請中央主管機關審議核定後納入國家海洋保護區管理計劃。海洋保護區橫跨指轄市縣市轄區者由各該指轄市縣市主管機關協商擬定。報中央主管機關核定必要時由中央主管機關協調各相關指轄市縣市主管機關共同擬定或指定由其中一指轄市縣市"},{"start":3584.797,"end":3602.532,"text":"計劃產生競合時應報由中央主管機關協調協調不誠實報請得報請行政院決定之第一項整體海洋保護局管理計劃應每5年至少檢討一次委員高俊素梅等22人提案第7條第一項前段修正委中央主管機關應會同原住民中央主管機關及其他有關機關其餘同行政院提案第6條"},{"start":3603.493,"end":3633.033,"text":"委員吳清明等18人提案第1、2、3項同行政院提案第四項為中央主管機關於訂定第二項、第三款及第五款事項時應提供必要諮詢後邀請專家學者、有關機關代表、相關民間團體代表、相關法人代表及其他適當人員召開公聽會並因作成會議記錄及公開之辦理前項業務之相關事項辦法由中央主管機關定之第五、六項同行政院提案之第四、五項委員羅美玲等17人提案第七條與委員蘇巧慧等16人提案第八條及其餘個案均同行政院提案"},{"start":3633.974,"end":3650.334,"text":"第七條委員吳麗華等16人提案第一項第三項同行政院提案第二項文字為專案主管機關未辦理前項業務因涉審議會由專家學者民間團體及有關機關代表組成其中專家學者民間團體代表及原住民等不具官方身份之代表人數不得少於委員總人數二分之一"},{"start":3651.195,"end":3672.536,"text":"人擬具第2項後段其中專家學者及民間團體代表人數不得少於委員總人數三分之二其餘同行政院提案委員鄭天才等19人提案第一項第二項同行政院提案第三項為第一項海洋庇護區之花景基準變更廢止與其程序及其他相關事項之辦法應用中央主管機關會商農業主管機關及原住民族主管機關定之"},{"start":3673.397,"end":3697.695,"text":"委員黃潔等18人委員陳廷飛等16人委員蔡玉玉等19人委員吳啟明等18人提案同行政院提案委員徐宇貞等20人提案第一項第三項同行政院提案第二項為專家主管機關為辦理前項業務應涉審議會由專家學者余慧余明代表民間團體及有關機關代表組成其中專家學者余慧余明代表及民間團體代表人數不得少於委員總人數三分之二委員莊瑞雄等20人提案"},{"start":3698.576,"end":3725.07,"text":"中央主管機關得救海洋生態系統有特別保護必要且未經其他主管機關劃設為海洋保護區者應經審議會審議劃定為海洋庇護區。前項審議會之委員為無己職其設置辦法由中央主管機關定之其中專家學者、民間團體、法人員、住民及在地居民等不具官方身份之代表其不得少於委員總人數二分之一。第一項海洋保庇護區之劃定基準變更分子程序審議會之組成執掌利益迴避及其他相關事項之辦理由中央主管機關定之。"},{"start":3726.411,"end":3747.248,"text":"委員盧敏玲等17人提案第8條第一項第三項同行政院提案第二項同行政院提案第二項為專家主管機關為辦理前項業務應涉審議會由專家學者及相關民間組織團體相關事當人員相關法人代表及有關機關代表組成其中專家學者相關民間組織團體相關事當人員及相關法人代表人數不得少於5人總人數三分之二"},{"start":3748.249,"end":3766.118,"text":"委員蘇巧慧等16人提案第9條,第一項第二項分別為中央主管機關得救海洋生態系統有特別保護必要且為經其他主管機關劃設為海洋保護區者,劃定為海洋庇護區,涉及原住民族土地及海域者應會同中央民族主管機關定之。中央主管機關會辦理前項業務應涉審議會由專家學者民間團體與該庇護區所在海域有利害關係之團體及有關機關代表組成。"},{"start":3771.961,"end":3788.964,"text":"其中專家學者、民間團體及與該庇護區所在水域有利害關係之團體等不具官方身份之代表人數不得少於委員總人數二分之一。涉及於原住民族土地及海域者,原住民族代表不得少於前數不具官方身份之代表總人數二分之一。第三項同行政院提案。"},{"start":3789.665,"end":3810.866,"text":"委員羅廷偉等18人擬案第9條同委員楊瓊瓔等20人擬案第9條委員洪森翰等16人擬案第二下後段其中專家學者及民間團體代表及原住民等人數不得少於委員總人數二分之一其餘同行政院擬案台灣民眾黨黨團擬案第9條第三下後段修正為中央主管及官員每5人召開會議檢討之其餘同委員楊瓊瓔等20人擬案第9條委員賴瑞龍等18人擬案第8條"},{"start":3814.789,"end":3842.547,"text":"主管器官得依據下列情形之一而有特別保存必要之一處海域或與其比鄰之陸域化定為海洋庇護區域並得區分為核心區緩衝區及永續利用區依海洋生態系統具原始性或具生物多樣性而有保存或供學術研究必要者而具有特殊之地形、地質現象或生態之海域三、對特定生物數量生命階段或棲地具特殊重要性之海域四、具維持或促進海洋生態系統之碳匯功能者五、其他符合保存目的者"},{"start":3843.207,"end":3860.983,"text":"委員高清素梅等22人擬案第8條,第一項第三項同行政院擬案第7條之第一項第三項。第二項為中央主管機關未辦理前項業務應設中央審議會由專家學者、民間團體及有關機關代表組成,其中專家學者、民間團體及援助營等不具官方身份之代表不得少於委員總人數三分之二。"},{"start":3862.628,"end":3878.146,"text":"委員羅天玉等18人提案第10條同委員楊瓊瓔等20人提案第10條台灣民眾黨黨團提案第10條第二項修正為海洋庇護區規劃階段臨近開發行為如有侵害海洋生態系統之餘中央主管機關得令其暫緩執行其運同委員楊瓊瓔等20人提案第10條"},{"start":3879.588,"end":3894.788,"text":"委員高金素梅等22人提案第9條地方主管機關就管轄範圍內委辦理前項業務應設地方省營會由地方政府首長或由委員互推人兼任之其中專家學者民間團體及原住民等不具官方身份之代表不得少於委員總人數三分之二"},{"start":3895.488,"end":3923.213,"text":"地方主管機關管轄範圍涉及當地原住民屬海域範圍者,其原住民身份委員應由當地部落會議主席兼任之。但該部落尚未成立部落會議或部落會議主席出缺者,得由地方主管機關參照部落傳統慣俗指定適當人員擔任之。第一項海洋庇護區之劃定基準變更廢止程序與前項審議會之設置、組成、運作及其他相關事項之辦法,應由地方主管機關會同農業主管機關及原住民族主管機關定之。"},{"start":3924.053,"end":3947.344,"text":"第八條委員伍麗華等16人委員黃婕等18人委員莊瑞雄等20人委員洪森翰委員陳亭飛委員蔡奕宇等19人委員吳啟明等提案及委員羅美玲等17人提案。第九條同行政院提案委員王美惠等17人提案第二項第三項文字調整為應登載於政府公報新聞紙並以網際網路或其他適當方法廣泛周知其餘同行政院提案"},{"start":3948.084,"end":3972.429,"text":"委員鄭天才等19人擬具第2項第3項文字調整同委員王美惠等17人擬具第4項為第一項海洋庇護區保育計劃之擬定涉及原住民族土地及海域者中央主管機關應會上原住民族主管機關擬定涉及限制原住民族利用原住民族土地海域及自然資源時審議前擬定機關應與當地原住民族或部落諮商並取得其同意其餘同行政院擬定"},{"start":3973.229,"end":4001.585,"text":"委員徐玉珍等20人提案。第一項前段修正為因會商有關及關及餘會。第三項於新聞指後增加中華民國全國餘會刊物文字其餘同行政院提案。委員蘇巧慧等16人提案第10條。第一項同行政院提案第一項。第二項為前項海洋庇護區保育計畫應在明下列事項。一、計畫範圍目標及規劃圖。二、水資源系統。三、水資源系統生態資源系統與環境之基礎調查及分析。三、分區規劃及維護管理之規定或措施。"},{"start":4002.225,"end":4020.812,"text":"事財務與人力實施計劃五、其他相關事項第三、四、五項同行政院提案第二、三、四項並著作文字修正委員羅廷偉等18人提案第11條同委員楊瓊瓔等20人提案第11條台灣民眾黨黨團提案第11條第二項後段修正為主管機關一限期回覆其餘同委員楊瓊瓔等20人提案第11條"},{"start":4022.032,"end":4045.747,"text":"委員賴瑞榮等18人提案第9條。主管機關公告劃定海洋庇護區前印尼地計劃公開展覽30日及當地舉行公聽會。管理計劃應包含以下事項。一、劃定之分區範圍。二、劃定之目標理由。三、計劃範圍海域之生態現況調查。四、分區管理及保育措施。五、受計劃影響之利害關係人意見、人類活動與使用狀態及因應。六、相關機關學界意見。七、其他有關事項。"},{"start":4046.667,"end":4072.022,"text":"前項海洋庇護區之化設計化與供聽會之程序及前項相關事項之辦法由中央主管機關定之由地方主管機關化定之海洋庇護區報請中央主管機關核定後公告實施由主管機關委職者與核定後公告實施中央主管機關應定其接受個人團體提報符合第一項之海域或其與其比鄰地物語第一項海洋庇護區之設置涉及原住民族傳統利用者主管機關因應原住民族基本法第19條及第21條"},{"start":4074.063,"end":4101.04,"text":"諮商取得同意。海洋庇護區之變更或廢止之計劃流程提報等是用第一項之第三項第五項規定。委員高金素梅等22人提案第十條。第一項為中央主管機關花庭海洋庇護區後因會同原住民族中央主管機關及其他有關機關擬定海洋庇護區保育計劃並公開展覽30日及舉行公聽會。其變更或廢止時亦同。第二項第三項同行政院提案第八條第二項第三項。第四五六項分別為"},{"start":4101.92,"end":4123.925,"text":"底下海洋庇護區保育計劃之擬定涉及原住民族土地及海域者中央主管機關因會同原住民族主管機關擬定涉及限制原住民族利用原住民族土地海域及自然資源時審議前擬定機關應與當地原住民族或部落諮商並取得其同意因劃定海洋庇護區而當地原住民接受限制所生之損失應由中央主管機關寬列預算補償"},{"start":4125.446,"end":4132.778,"text":"前向之補償機制及其他應遵行事項之辦法由中央主管機關定之。委員羅廷偉等18人為台灣民眾黨黨團提案第12條同委員楊瓊瓔等20人提案第12條。"},{"start":4139.037,"end":4160.144,"text":"人擬具委員鄭天才等19人擬具第一項第一款及第四款之或修正為極其餘同行政院擬具委員蘇巧慧等16人擬具第11條增加第一項第五款文字為五臺灣原住民族寄予其傳統文化記憶以於該海域獵捕宰殺或利用海洋生物之事實其餘同行政院擬具委員羅廷偉等18人臺灣命中黨黨團擬具第13條同委員楊瓊瓔等20人擬具第13條"},{"start":4165.186,"end":4183.488,"text":"委員賴瑞隆等18人提案第10條任何人海陸域交通工具禁止進入海洋庇護區至核心區並從事活動但有下列情形之意者不在此限一國防安全及軍事目的二海域海岸巡防因應重大公共安全犯罪查緝漁業巡獲緊急污染防制海南救助航路標示"},{"start":4184.328,"end":4211.158,"text":"設置、管理海洋保育水下文化資產之保存及管理等公務目的﹐三、外國傳播一中華民國領海及臨界區法第7條第一項第五款規定﹐四、其他近中央主管機關同意之科學研究監測及調查活動﹐委員高晶素美等22人提案第11條﹐第二項後段修正為中央主管機關應會同援助民主中央主管機關及其他有關機關及與同行政院提案第9條﹐委員羅敏玲等17人提案第10條及其與個案均同行政院提案﹐"},{"start":4213.479,"end":4230.53,"text":"議員提案,第一項,第二項同行政院提案,增加第三項,第一項之許可,竟許可者應主動提供相關監測資料,主管機關應定期監測海域開放利用之情形並公開相關資訊,足造成海域生態之具體危害或可預見有危害之發生必要時,主管機關應強制禁止該許可行為,獲得廢棄該許可。"},{"start":4233.792,"end":4259.685,"text":"人擬具第11條第一項增加第6款能量或物質排放其餘同行政院擬具委員蘇巧慧等16人擬具第12條第一項續文的第二款後面增加或第5款文字其餘同行政院擬具委員羅廷偉等18人擬具第14條第三項末段文字修正為獲得廢棄該許可其餘同委員楊瓊瓊等20人擬具第14條台灣民眾黨黨團擬具第14條第一項第7款修正為棄排放有害物質其餘同委員楊瓊瓊等20人擬具第14條"},{"start":4261.966,"end":4280.922,"text":"委員賴瑞隆等18人提案第11條海洋庇護區之緩衝區內禁止從事下列行為及活動一、稅產養殖二、盈利性財補海洋生物三、觀光休閒活動四、開挖巨深航道或施作海洋工程五、鋪設電纜管道設施或結構六、從事探礦或採礦七、其他盡重要主管機關公告禁止行為"},{"start":4281.762,"end":4303.042,"text":"前項第一款及第二款行為竟主管機關會同與業主管機關許可者不在此限。前項第三款至第七款竟主管機關會同目的事業主管機關許可者不在此限。第一項第一款及第二款行為得由主管機關會同與業主管機關公告一定種類、數量、方式、範圍或期間等條件代之。委員皋金素美等22人提案第12條及其餘個案均同行政院提案。"},{"start":4306.36,"end":4326.797,"text":"人提案第一項同行政院提案另增訂第二項為前項之許可主管機關應定其監測海域開放利用之情形如造成海域生態之具體危害或可預見有危害之發生必要時主管機關應強制禁止該許可行為獲得廢棄該許可委員羅廷偉等18人提案第15條第三項莫端文字修正委獲得廢棄該許可其餘同委員楊瓊瓔等20人提案第15條台灣民眾黨黨團提案第15條同委員楊瓊瓔等20人提案第15條"},{"start":4332.842,"end":4357.035,"text":"委員賴瑞榮等18人提案第12條第一項同委楊瓊瓔等20人提案第15條第一項第二項為前項第一款破壞性魚撈之項目及類型由中央主管機關會同漁業主管機關公告之前項第二款至第五款所列禁止行為請中央主管機關會同目的事業主管機關許可者不在此限委員羅美玲等17人提案第12條委員蘇巧慧等16人委員高金素美等22人提案第13條及其餘個案均同行政院提案"},{"start":4357.995,"end":4377.584,"text":"第12條、委員羅天威等18人、臺灣民眾黨黨團提案第16條、同委員楊瓊瓔等20人提案第16條、委員賴瑞龍等18人提案第13條。第11條及第12條許可取得者依依規定搜集、建置、保存及公布海洋相關資料。主管機關任由破壞海洋之餘得隨時查核或調閱資料。相關人員不得妨礙、拒絕或規避。"},{"start":4378.764,"end":4399.524,"text":"必要時主管機關得變更費值該許可。但前項處理資料之方式由中央主管機關定之。第11條之第12條許可條件之取得程序收費標準及相關事項由中央主管機關定之。委員羅美玲等17人提案第13條。委員蘇巧慧等16人。委員高晶素美等20人提案第14條。及其餘個案均同行政院提案。"},{"start":4400.225,"end":4417.463,"text":"委員賴瑞隆等18案提案第44條原住民族基於其傳統文化、記憶或自用需要於海洋庇護區內有採捕或利用海洋生物之必要者,不受第11條至第12條之限制。前項採捕或利用海洋生物之物種、數量、期間和準程序由主管機關會同原住民族主管機關及漁業主管機關定之。"},{"start":4419.685,"end":4448.595,"text":"第三章委員盧廷偉等18人委員羅美玲等17人臺灣民眾黨黨團委員賴瑞隆等18人提案張明桐委員楊瓊瓔等20人提案其餘各案張明君同行政院提案第十三條委員王美惠等17人委員鄭天才等19人提案第一項續委員之中央主管機關修正委主管機關其餘同行政院提案委員鍾瑞雄等20人提案第一項為保育海洋生物主管機關應會商目的事業主管機關並經審議會審議公告下列四項第一款至第四款同行政院提案之第一項第一款至第四款"},{"start":4449.415,"end":4472.563,"text":"第二項之第四項分別為前項審議會之委員吾己職其設置辦法由中央主管機關定之其中專家學者民間團體法人及原住民等不具官方身份之代表不得少於委員總人數二分之一第一項審議會之執掌組成利益迴避等相關事項之辦法由中央主管機關定之此項是縣市主管機關一第一項規定公告前因報請中央主管機關和定之委員羅廷偉等18人提案第17條同委員楊瓊瓔等20人提案第17條"},{"start":4476.104,"end":4476.264,"text":"委員羅美琳"},{"start":4504.52,"end":4533.053,"text":"委員盧美玲等提案第14條委員蘇巧慧等16人委員高金素美等20人提案第15條及其餘個案均同行政院提案臺灣民眾黨黨團提案第18條開發及觀光行為對海洋保育類動植物不得有騷擾、中斷遷徙、培育繁殖或餵養等行為相關辦法由中央主管機關定之中央主管機關應定及調查海洋保育類動植物並制定保育復育計劃海洋保育類動植物之緊急搶救、復育及相關運送事務"},{"start":4534.153,"end":4551.263,"text":"得由中央主管機關委託學術團體或民間專業團體協助辦理。第十四條委員王美惠等17人及委員鄭天才等19人提案。第一項、第四項機關購法人團體修正為機關購團體。第六項補償條件基準修正為補償條件補償基準其餘同行政院提案。"},{"start":4552.063,"end":4575.62,"text":"委員黃婕等18人擬議第五項後段遭受特別犧牲之損失者修正為遭受損失者其餘同行政院擬議委員徐宇貞等20人擬議第四項中段增加進行調查或實施各項保育措施應客遵正當法律程序以符合比例原則方式為之等文次其餘同行政院擬議委員鍾瑞雄等20人擬議第一項第四項同委員王美惠等17人擬議第一項及第四項其餘同行政院擬議"},{"start":4576.661,"end":4582.928,"text":"委員羅廷偉等18人擬具第18條委員民眾黨黨團擬具第19條委員賴瑞榮等18人擬具第16條同委員楊瓊瓔等20人擬具第18條委員羅美玲等17人擬具第15條委員蘇巧慧等16人委員高進蘇美等22人擬具第16條及其餘個案均同行政院擬具第15條委員羅廷偉等18人"},{"start":4597.372,"end":4621.407,"text":"提案第19條及臺灣民眾黨黨團提案第20條同委員楊瓊瓔提案第19條委員賴瑞榮等提案第17條第一項前段增加受託機關或團體文字第二項增加處涉及軍事機密者應會同軍事機關為之其餘同行政院提案並著作文字修正委員盧美玲等17人提案第16條委員蘇巧慧等委員高進素美等提案第17條及其餘個案均同行政院提案"},{"start":4622.367,"end":4634.944,"text":"第16條,委員王美惠等及委員鄭天才等人提案。第11,第一項前段之民眾法人或團體修正委民眾或團體其餘同行政院提案。委員羅天威等18案提案。第16條,委員賴瑞榮等18案提案。第18條,同委員楊瓊瓔等20人提案。第20條,"},{"start":4638.368,"end":4654.844,"text":"台灣民眾黨黨團提案第21條、第1、3項統委員楊瓊瓔等提案第20條至第1、2項、第2項統行政院提案第16條、第2項委員羅美玲等提案第17條、委員蘇巧慧等16人、委員高進、蘇美等22人提案第18條及其餘各案具統行政院提案第17條"},{"start":4657.048,"end":4675.782,"text":"委員羅廷偉等提案第21條委員羅美玲等提案第18條委員蘇巧慧等提案第19條台灣民眾黨黨團提案第22條同行政院提案第17條其餘個案均同行政院提案第18條委員羅廷偉等18人提案第22條同委員楊瓊瑛等提案第22條台灣民眾黨黨團提案第23條第一項同行政院提案第18條第二項為主管機關對於我國管轄議"},{"start":4682.307,"end":4703.802,"text":"以外海域之生物多樣性維護與永續發展應與各國或國際組織應進行合作並鼓勵人民及民間團體參與委員賴瑞榮等18人提案第19條主管機關為促進海洋保育、海洋生物多樣性保護永續利用相關知識人才培育、得對人民或團體參與國際交流活動、傳遞海洋知識等給予獎勵或補助。前項獎勵或補助辦法由中央主管機關定之。"},{"start":4705.063,"end":4723.238,"text":"委員高金素梅等提案第20條,後段增加原住民各組文資其餘同行政院提案第18條委員羅美玲等提案第19條,委員蘇巧慧等提案第20條及其餘各案均同行政院提案第19條委員徐玉珍等提案第一項序文及第二項與法人後增加與會文資其餘同行政院提案"},{"start":4723.818,"end":4749.879,"text":"委員羅廷偉等提案第二十三條同委員楊瓊瓔等提案第二十三條台灣民眾黨黨團提案第二十四條為執行海洋生態富裕各級主管機關或目的事業主管機關得自行或委託其他機關個人或民間團體或由人民機關構法人團體依據國家海洋保育綱領提出包含下列富裕措施之海洋生態富裕計劃並經中央主管機關資義專家學者及民間團體同意後實施一、人工富裕設施之投放二、海洋動物質培育或流放"},{"start":4750.299,"end":4766.061,"text":"三、「海洋植物之培育或栽植。四、其他復育之必要措施。各級主管機關或目的事業主管機關辦理前項海洋生態復育計畫應提供生態復育監測計畫監測復育狀況定期將辦理情形包送中央主管機關備查。委員賴瑞榮等提案第20條。"},{"start":4767.262,"end":4793.33,"text":"第一項虛文修正為為執行海洋生物賦予各級主管機關或目的地事業主管機關得依據國家海洋保育綱領或海洋庇護區保育計劃提出下列賦予措施報請中央主管機關和聽後實施其餘同委員楊瓊瓊等提案第23條第一項委員高金素美等22人提案第21條第三項後段修正為中央主管機關應會同原住民族中央主管機關及其他有關機關其餘同行政院提案第19條委員羅美琳等17人提案第20條"},{"start":4795.512,"end":4814.128,"text":"委員蘇巧慧等提案第21條及其餘個案精通行政院提案。委員羅廷偉等提案第24條同委員楊瓊瓔等提案第24條。委員賴瑞龍等18人提案第21條。人民或團體自行辦理復育措施前應提出復育計劃報請主管機關許可。簽上人民或團體復育計劃之申請辦法由中央主管機關定之。"},{"start":4814.728,"end":4827.583,"text":"委員羅廷偉等提案第25條同委員楊瓊瓔等提案第25條委員蘇巧慧等提案第7條中央主管機關應定期會同有關機關進行水資源環境史海洋生態等基礎調查建制海洋保護資料庫與專屬網頁並公開資料庫與專屬網頁應定期更新"},{"start":4830.806,"end":4853.275,"text":"台灣民眾黨黨團提案第25條第一項為主管機關應建立並定期更新海洋基礎資料庫及及時監測資料庫內容至少應包含整體海域生態、燃炭生態系、保育類物種、海洋污染資源利用物理環境離岸風機及船隻海上作業並以指定網站主動公開作為民眾參與海洋治理及海洋保護區劃設基礎法律另有規定者依其規定。"},{"start":4854.235,"end":4878.729,"text":"第二三項同委員楊瓊瓔等提案第25條之第二三項並著作文字修正。台灣民眾黨黨團提案第26條主管機關審查或參與有關機關諮詢審查海岸或海域開發案時應主動要求相關部會及業者落實社區知情權。前項所稱社區知情權相關辦法由中央主管機關定制並應至少包含下列事項一前期選址階段二中期規劃及環評階段三通知到家戶方式。"},{"start":4879.189,"end":4883.651,"text":"人擬具〈海洋保育法草案案〉案〈海洋保育法草案〉案〈海洋保育法草案〉案〈海洋保育法草案〉案〈海洋保育法草案〉案"},{"start":4903.96,"end":4910.829,"text":"第四章委員賴瑞榮等18人提案章明發責及損害賠償責任其餘各案章明均同行政院提案"},{"start":4912.321,"end":4937.964,"text":"委員羅廷偉等提案第26條投委員楊瓊瓔等20人提案第26條第二十條委員徐宇貞等20人提案第一項罰還改為五萬元以上五十萬元以下增加第二項文字為愚業從業人物入海洋庇護拘置核心區者且無重大違規情勢經勸導使離者不處罰其餘同行政院提案委員羅美玲等提案第二十一條前段改為違反第十條第一項規定其餘同行政院提案委員蘇巧慧等提案"},{"start":4939.025,"end":4955.695,"text":"第22條,前段改為違反第11條第一項規定其餘通行政院提案委員羅廷偉等提案第27條同委員楊瓊瓊等提案第27條台灣民眾黨黨團提案第27條違反第13條規定進入海洋庇護區之核心區域者處刑為人海陸域交通工具處罰"},{"start":4956.335,"end":4975.216,"text":"家屎人或船長一年以下有期徒刑得併科新台幣50萬元以上28萬元以下罰金因過失犯前項制規定者得減輕期刑委員賴日龍等18人提案第二十二條違反第十條規定進入海洋庇護區這核心區並從事活動者處新台幣10萬元以上50萬元以下罰還請通知淨澤衛改善者得按日連續處罰之"},{"start":4976.577,"end":5001.25,"text":"委員高基素美等提案第二十二條,前段改為違反第十一條第一項規定其餘同行政院提案。委員陳廷輝等16人提案,罰還改為50萬元以上250萬元以下其餘同行政院提案。其餘個案均同行政院提案。第二十一條,委員王美惠等17人提案,罰還改為10萬元以上30萬元以下其餘同行政院提案。委員徐一貞等20人提案,罰還改為3萬元以上30萬元以下其餘同行政院提案。"},{"start":5001.85,"end":5021.133,"text":"委員羅美玲等17人提案第22條前段改為違反第11條第一項規定其餘同行政院提案委員蘇強輝等16人提案第23條前段改為違反第12條第一項規定其餘同行政院提案委員羅廷威等18人提案第28條前段文字為違反第14條至第15條及第17條第一項之規定其餘同委員楊瓊瓔等提案第28條"},{"start":5022.254,"end":5044.403,"text":"委員民眾黨黨團提案第28條同委員楊瓊瓔等20人提案第28條。委員賴瑞龍等提案第23條有下列情形之一處新台幣6萬元以上30萬元以下罰還。竟通知禁止而未改善者得按日連續處罰之。因違反第11條各款規定未進許可擅自從事特定行為者。而違反第15條第一項各款規定公告事項之一者。委員高晶素美等22人提案第23條。"},{"start":5045.983,"end":5070.511,"text":"違反第12條第一項規定於海洋庇護拘職緩衝去年未經許可從事該項所定禁止行為這處新台幣6萬元以上30萬元以下罰還但願住民基於傳統文化記憶生活所須致利用的行為不在此限委員陳廷飛等提案罰還改為10萬元以上50萬元以下取同行政院提案其餘個案均同行政院提案第二十二條委員王美惠等提案罰還改為5萬元以上30萬元以下取同行政院提案"},{"start":5072.355,"end":5089.691,"text":"委員徐玉珍等20人提案法環改為1萬元以上15萬元以下其餘同行政院提案委員羅美玲等提案第23條第一款第二款分別改為違反第12條規定及違反第14條第一項公告事項其餘同行政院提案委員蘇巧慧等16人提案第24條同行政院提案並著作文字修正"},{"start":5090.271,"end":5113.408,"text":"委員賴玉榮等18人提案第24條有下列情形之一處新台幣2萬元以上10萬元以下罰還經通知盡者未改善者得按日連續處罰之違反第10條規定未經許可進入海洋庇護區之核心區者二、違反第12條各款規定未經許可擅自從事特定行為者三、違反第13條第一項規定未保存資料或規避妨礙或拒絕提供資料或提供不實質資料"},{"start":5114.449,"end":5134.256,"text":"四違反第16條第二項規定規避拒絕或妨礙海洋生物資源調查或海洋庇護區保育計劃實施者五違反第17條第二項規定規避妨礙或拒絕規避拒絕或妨礙海洋生物資源調查或海洋庇護區保育計劃實施者六違反第21條規定未報金中央主管機關許可者自行辦理賦予措施"},{"start":5134.916,"end":5155.215,"text":"委員高晶素美等提案第二十四條同行政院提案第二十二條並著作文字修正委員陳廷飛等16人提案法環改為6萬元以上30萬元以下其餘同行政院提案其餘個案均同行政院提案第二十三條委員徐玉珍等提案法環改為1萬元以上10萬元以下其餘同行政院提案委員羅美玲等提案第二十四條"},{"start":5157.594,"end":5185.72,"text":"同行政院提案並著作文字修正委員蘇巧慧等提案第25條同行政院提案並著作文字修正委員羅廷偉等18人提案第29條同委員楊瓊瓔等提案第29條台灣民眾黨黨團提案第29條有下列情形之一處新台幣10萬元以上100萬元以下法環經限期改善而未改善者得按日連續處罰之一違反第18條第一項規定二違反第19條第二項規定規避拒絕或妨礙海洋生物資源調查或海洋庇護區"},{"start":5186.44,"end":5208.47,"text":"保育計劃實施者。三、違反第二十條第三項規定規避拒絕或妨礙海洋保育巡查員或觀察員執行觀察監測及搜集資料者。委員高金素美等提案第二十五條同行政院提案第二十三條並著作文字修正。委員陳廷飛等16人提案返還改為三萬元以上十五萬元以下其餘同行政院提案其餘個案均同行政院提案。第二十四條"},{"start":5209.651,"end":5224.762,"text":"委員盧曼玲等提案第25條同行政院提案並著作文字修正委員蘇巧慧等提案第26條同行政院提案並著作文字修正委員羅廷偉等提案以及委員臺灣民眾黨黨團提案第30條同委員楊瓊瑛等提案第30條委員高金素美等提案第26條"},{"start":5228.565,"end":5249.184,"text":"違反第二十一條第二項規定未經主管機關同意自行辦理賦予措施者處新台幣一萬元以上五萬元以下罰還但原住民基於傳統文化記憶生活所需之保育行為不在此限委員陳廷飛等提案罰還改為二萬元以上十萬元以下去同行政院提案其餘個案均同行政院提案第二十五條委員羅美玲等提案第二十六條同行政院提案"},{"start":5250.925,"end":5276.522,"text":"並第一項前段改為違反第10條第一項第11條第一項第12條規定或第14條第一項公告事項者其餘同行政院提案委員舒巧慧等提案第27條同行政院提案並著作文字修正委員羅廷偉委員羅廷偉等18人臺灣民眾黨黨團提案第32條同委員楊瓊瓔等提案第32條並著作文字修正委員賴日榮等提案第26條"},{"start":5278.772,"end":5293.212,"text":"第一項修正委違反本法第10條之第12條禁止規定及第15條海洋生物保育事項者主管機關得命其接受2小時以上、12小時以上之海洋保育獎期課程。其餘同委員楊瓊瓔等提案第32條。"},{"start":5295.154,"end":5314.886,"text":"委員高晶素美等提案第二十七條同行政院提案第二十五條並著作文字修正委員陳廷飛等提案法環改為一萬元以上五萬元以下其餘同行政院提案其餘個案均同行政院提案第二十六條委員羅美玲等提案第二十七條同行政院提案並著作文字修正委員蘇巧慧等16人提案第二十八條"},{"start":5316.267,"end":5339.565,"text":"第一項、第二項分別為違反本法規定經依第22條至第24條規定處罰者。其損害部分予以規定期間內回復原狀為能於規定期間內回復原狀者依第22條至第24條規定連續罰職不能回復原狀或回復嫌有重大困難者應賠償其損害。發生破壞海洋保育重大緊急事件時中央主管機關得採取相關緊急應變措施。第三項同行政院提案第二項"},{"start":5340.586,"end":5364.251,"text":"委員羅廷偉等提案為臺灣民眾黨黨團提案第31條同委員楊瓊瓊等提案第31條委員賴瑞龍等提案第25條違反第22條致第24條規定者且致海洋生態受損者其損害部分因回復原狀不能回復原狀或回復性有重大困難者應付賠償責任為調查回復原狀所支出之必要費用也賠償義務人負擔第一項包括當事人相關經理人及營運人"},{"start":5365.191,"end":5382.972,"text":"委員高清素梅等提案第28條同行政院提案第26條並著作文字修正其餘個案均同行政院提案台灣民眾黨黨團提案第33條違反本法規定金一第27條至第30條規定受處罰者中央主管機關應定其餘網站公告處罰案件普及民眾海洋保育知識觀念及素養"},{"start":5384.093,"end":5402.906,"text":"第五章章敏軍同行政院提案第27條委員王美惠等17人及委員莊瑞雄等提案第一項後段及第二項前段至高等行政法院改為行政法院其餘同行政院提案委員羅美玲等提案第28條第一項後段至高等行政法院改為行政法院其餘同行政院提案"},{"start":5404.006,"end":5430.349,"text":"委員羅廷偉等提案第33條﹖臺灣民眾黨黨團提案第34條﹖同委員楊瓊瓔等提案第33條﹖委員賴瑞龍等18人提案第27條﹖第一項前段修正委行政委員違反本法或一本法授權奠定相關命令之情事而各級主管機關待遇執行時﹖其餘同委員楊瓊瓔等提案第33條﹖第一、第二項﹖委員高晶素美等提案第29條﹖同行政院提案第27條﹖其餘各案均同行政院提案。"},{"start":5431.11,"end":5448.785,"text":"委員羅廷偉等提案第34條委員羅美玲等提案第29條臺灣民眾黨黨團提案第35條委員賴瑞隆等提案第28條同委員楊瓊瓔等提案第34條委員莊瑞雄等委員吳齊明等提案第29條前段文字改為本法罰還收入其餘同委員楊瓊瓔等20人提案"},{"start":5450.626,"end":5476.132,"text":"第34條。第28條,委員王美惠等提案後段增加,但其繼續從事核准行為可預見造成海洋生態具體危害或持續造成具體危害之擴大者,中央主管機關應廢棄該許可並得給予合理之補償文字。委員羅美玲等提案第30條,原引條次分別改為第1、第8條規定及不受第10條至第12條規定之限制其餘同行政院提案。"},{"start":5476.912,"end":5500.102,"text":"委員蘇巧慧等提案第30條中央主管機關依第9條規定劃定海洋庇護區前與該海域合法取得目的事業主管機關同意鋪設電纜管道設施結構從事探光或採礦或其他禁許可或核准之行為者不收第11條之第13條規定之限制得繼續從事許可或核准行為之有效期限屆滿為止中央主管機關依第9條規定劃定海洋庇護區前"},{"start":5500.942,"end":5524.559,"text":"台灣原住民族基於其傳統文化記憶與該海域獵捕、宰殺或利用海洋生物之事實,不受第10條至第13條規定之限制。其獵捕方式獵捕海洋生物之種類數量獵捕期間,區域及其他應遵循事項之辦法,由中央主管機關會同中央原住民族主管機關定之。委員羅廷偉等提案第36條。底下莫德文自修正為中央主管機關應廢棄該許可。其餘通委員楊瓊瓔等提案第36條。"},{"start":5525.8,"end":5553.466,"text":"委員賴日榮等提案第30條。第22條至第24條相關法則於各海洋庇護局公告後半年生效。海洋庇護局公告前已取得目的事業主管機關許可並從事本法禁止事項者不受第10條至第12條之規定限制的從事核准行為至有效期限屆滿為止。必要時中央主管機關得會同目的事業主管機關變更廢紙蓋許可並給予合理之補償。委員高晶素美等提案第30條。同行政院提案第28條並著作文字修正。"},{"start":5554.786,"end":5567.994,"text":"其餘各案均同行政院提案。第29條委員羅廷偉等提案第35條委員羅美玲等提案第19委員羅美玲等委員蘇巧慧等委員高金素美等提案第31條台灣民眾黨黨團提案第36條委員莊瑞雄等"},{"start":5570.755,"end":5598.833,"text":"委員吳啟明等提案第30條及其餘個案均同行政院提案。第三十條委員羅廷維等提案第37條、臺灣民眾黨黨團提案第38條委員賴瑞榮等提案第31條同委員楊瓊瓔等20人提案第37條委員蘇巧慧等提案第32條本法自公佈日期二年施行委員莊瑞雄等委員吳啟明等提案第31條委員羅美玲等委員高金素美等提案第32條及其餘個案均同行政院提案"},{"start":5600.896,"end":5623.039,"text":"修正動議二、第六條第一項序文增加會同原住民族中央主管機關及其他等文字。第七條第二項增加原住民等不具官方身份之代表不得少於委員總人數三分之二。第三項增加會同農業主管機關及原住民族主管機關。"},{"start":5625.396,"end":5648.566,"text":"第八條第一項增加會同原住民族中央主管機關及其他有關機關。第四項後段修正為中央主管機關應因會同原住民族主管機關擬定涉及限制原住民族利用原住民族土地海域及自然資源時審議且擬定機關應與當地原住民族或部落諮商並取得其同意。"},{"start":5649.486,"end":5665.475,"text":"稱定第五項因劃定海洋庇護區而當地原住民族受限制所生之損失應由中央主管機關寬列預算補償。第七項前項之補償機制及其他應遵行事項之辦法由中央主管機關定之。第九條"},{"start":5668.632,"end":5686.397,"text":"第2項後段增加會同原住民族中央主管機關及其他有關機關定制。第13條第一項序文增加會同原住民族中央主管機關文字。第18條增加原住民各族等文字。第19條"},{"start":5689.673,"end":5702.515,"text":"第二項後段增加會同原住民族中央主管機關等文字第二十一條後段增加但原住民族但原住民基於傳統文化記憶生活所需之利用的行為不在此限第二十四條"},{"start":5704.062,"end":5720.543,"text":"後段增加但原住民寄予傳統文化記憶生活所需之保育行為不在此限。第25條第二項增訂第二項前項海洋保育講習課程應包含原住民族知識以及原住民族生物多樣性課程。"},{"start":5721.772,"end":5751.267,"text":"增加第四項,第一項海洋保育講習課程之內容實施之對象方式及其他相關事項之辦法由中央主管機關定制提案人委員高金素梅等5人修正動議三第八條增加第五項海洋庇護區涉及原住民族土地及海域者應與原住民族建立共同管理機制其辦法由中央主管機關會同中央原住民族主管機關定制"},{"start":5753.086,"end":5775.604,"text":"提案人委員舒巧慧等5人。修正動議四,第三條第一項第五款修正為海洋庇護區只基於海洋生態系統具生物多樣性價值而有特別保護之必要,依本法所劃定之海洋保護區並得以核心區緩衝區及永續利用區進行分區管理者。"},{"start":5777.011,"end":5787.018,"text":"第七條第二項中段修正為其中專家學者民間團體代表及原住民等人數不得少於委員總人數二分之一"},{"start":5788.12,"end":5809.419,"text":"提案人委員張宏祿等4人修正動議五、第四條增加第二項前項制海洋保育措施因執基於科學證據主管機關域本法公布後5年內完成我國海洋生態普查並公開之其後每5年進行普查以更新資料。第七條"},{"start":5811.428,"end":5821.461,"text":"第二項後端修正為三分之二增加第四項地方政府或公益團體得依前項之辦法向中央主管機關提報申請劃定海洋庇護區。第27條"},{"start":5827.489,"end":5842.88,"text":"第一項前段增加各級主管機關待遇執行本法之行政義務並著作文字修正第二十八條第一項前段增加本法第一項前段修正為本法施行前已於海洋庇護區等文字"},{"start":5843.36,"end":5845.381,"text":"人擬具〈海洋保育法草案〉案〉案〉〈海洋保育法草案〉案〉"},{"start":5874.24,"end":5896.766,"text":"為暫定海洋庇護區。為進入審議程序前,遇有緊急情況時,主管機關亦得進列為暫定海洋庇護區。其審議期間以6個月為限,必要時得延長一次。主管機關應與其協議內完成審議。其滿是其暫定海洋庇護區之效力。第二項及第三項之條件及應建行程序之辦法,由中央主管機關定之。提案人委員劉許廷等5人。修正動議六第6條"},{"start":5905.083,"end":5926.207,"text":"第一項續文及第三項增訂會同有關機關及原住民族機關等文字。第六款修正為海洋保護區域員漁業人、漁業從業人之照顧。增加第七款其他與海洋保護區管理有關之事項。第七條第二項修正為"},{"start":5928.686,"end":5946.473,"text":"中央主管機關為辦理前項業務因涉審議會由專家、學者、漁會、漁民代表、民間團體、原住民代表及有關機關代表組成,其中漁民代表人數不得少於委員總人數三分之一,專家、學者、漁會、民間團體及原住民等不具官方身份之代表人數不得少於委員總人數三分之一。"},{"start":5947.573,"end":5969.208,"text":"人擬具第3項後段增加會同有關機關及原住民族機關定製等文字增加第4項第一項海洋庇護區劃定後因與受損害之漁業人及漁業權人補償相關補償辦法由中央主管機關會同有關機關原住民族機關及漁民團體定製第8條第一項增加"},{"start":5971.15,"end":5993.839,"text":"會同有關機關原住民族機關及漁會等文字。第三項,增加全國性漁會刊物等文字。第十二條,後段增加會同有關機關及原住民族機關等文字。第十三條,第一項序文增加中央主管機關應會同其他目的事業主管機關及原住民族機關。"},{"start":5995.714,"end":6014.95,"text":"第十四條第四項修正為調查機關構法人團體或保育人員進行調查或實施各項保育措施應客尊正當法律程序以符合比例原則之方式為之對於受檢之工商軍事秘密應予保密。第六項後段增加會同有關機關及援助民主機關"},{"start":6016.704,"end":6041.892,"text":"第15條第三項後段增加所需費用由指派機關支付等文字。第18條增加第二項第三項政府為促進海洋庇護區之劃設應與漁業全人諮商並取得其同意受限制所甚至損失應由中央主管機關匡列預算補償之。前項補償辦法由中央主管機關會同有關機關定之。第19條"},{"start":6044.929,"end":6061.848,"text":"第三項後段增加及援助民族機關等文字第二十條罰緩修正為一萬元以下、二十萬元以下增加第二項與業從業人誤入海洋庇護區之核心區且無重大違規情勢經勸導使離者不處罰第二十一條罰緩修正為"},{"start":6066.724,"end":6067.665,"text":"人擬具〈海洋保育法草案案〉案〉"},{"start":6084.588,"end":6104.696,"text":"人擬具〈海洋保育法草案案〉案〈海洋保育法草案〉案〈海洋保育法草案〉案〈海洋保育法草案〉案〈海洋保育法草案〉案〈海洋保育法草案〉案〈海洋保育法草案〉案〈海洋保育法草案〉案〈海洋保育法草案〉案〈海洋保育法草案〉案〈海洋保育法草案〉案〈海洋保育法草案〉案〈海洋保育法草案〉案〈海洋保育法草案〉案〈海洋保育法"},{"start":6109.912,"end":6128.85,"text":"第二十六條,罰金修正為五萬元,第一項罰金修正為五萬元以上,五十萬元以下第二十七條,罰還修正為五萬元以上,五十萬元以下第二十八條,罰還修正為三萬元以上,三十萬元以下第二十九條,罰還修正為一萬元以上,十萬元以下"},{"start":6130.151,"end":6142.82,"text":"第30條法環修正為一萬元以上十萬元以下。第32條第二項法環修正為二千元以上一萬元以下。提案人文旭、郁真等四人。"},{"start":6144.918,"end":6163.308,"text":"副代決議一,為使本法能積極落實以落實保護海洋生態環境及保育海洋生物多樣性,中央主管機關應與本法通過一年內公告整體海洋保護區管理政策方針,並完成劃設首批海洋庇護區。提案人委員蘇巧慧等5人。"},{"start":6164.605,"end":6189.745,"text":"副代決議二、為確保海洋生物多樣性之保育與復育之實施效益,中央主管機關在擬定海洋庇護區保育計劃時應在明下列事項一、計劃範圍目標及規劃圖二、水資源系統、生態資源系統與環境之基礎調查及分析三、分區規劃及維護管理之規定及或措施四、財務與人力實施計劃五、其他相關事項提案人委員蘇巧慧等5人宣讀完畢"},{"start":6194.051,"end":6199.056,"text":"議員王美惠等17議員王美惠等17議員王美惠等17議員王美惠等17議員王美惠等17"},{"start":6216.107,"end":6232.971,"text":"人擬具、「海洋保育法草案案案 條文審查委員王美惠等17人擬具:「海洋保育法草案案 條文審查委員王美惠等17人擬具:「海洋保育法草案案 條文審查委員王美惠等17人擬具:「海洋保育法草案案 條文審查委員王美惠等17人擬具:「海洋保育法草案案 條文審查委員王美惠等17人擬具:「海洋保育法草案案 條文審查委員王美惠等17人擬具:「海洋保育法草案案 條文審查委員王美惠等17人擬具:「海洋保育法�"},{"start":6239.437,"end":6259.605,"text":"進行主條討論,修正處理法案及名稱及第1章的章文、章名、有關法案的名稱及第1章章名委員的提案及行政院提案,大致相同,咱是不是依照"},{"start":6260.365,"end":6274.196,"text":"行政院提案及發案的名稱及第一張證明通過,若無異議、無什麼意見,我們就照案通過。看我們的委員會否有意見。沒有啦吼。這樣我們就張案通過。跟我們繼續來進行第一條的條文討論。"},{"start":6293.957,"end":6295.218,"text":"第1條會議條文委員會有什麼意見嗎?"},{"start":6303.297,"end":6329.81,"text":"好,男嘉徐委員第一條的部分我是有修正版本希望加上合理利用海洋生物資源其他的都跟院版一樣但是我覺得應該還因為第一條其實主要只是在講保育那我們希望說除了保育之外我們也可以合理利用海洋的生物資源加上這一個部分"},{"start":6330.956,"end":6332.457,"text":"人擬具〈海洋保育法草案〉案"},{"start":6345.716,"end":6372.055,"text":"謝謝朝委跟各位委員有關於這一條我們所有的版本加起來總共有九個版本文字是都跟院版一樣剛剛很感謝許委員的修正我們有審酌就是所有委員的意見以後大概就是許委員版本的合理利用海洋生物資源我們是建議可以加在保育海洋生物多樣性的後面"},{"start":6373.076,"end":6398.696,"text":"另外蘇巧惠委員推動海洋保育教育我們可以加在協調並促進海洋保護趨勢規劃及執行的後面。所以修正的條文,如果韓納許委員跟蘇委員的這兩個項進來以後會變成說為保護海洋生態環境保育海洋生物多樣性合理利用海洋生物資源"},{"start":6400.477,"end":6408.021,"text":"協調並促進海洋保護區之規劃及執行推動海洋保育教育特制定本法。以上。"},{"start":6429.273,"end":6433.536,"text":"審查委員王美惠等16人擬具:「海洋保育法草案案 條文 條2 條2 條2 條2 條2 條2 條2 條2 條2 條2"},{"start":6455.752,"end":6475.4,"text":"二、繼續審查委員王美惠等16人擬具、「海洋保育法草案案案件事宜、二、繼續審查委員王美惠等16人擬具、「海洋保育法草案案件事宜、二、繼續審查委員王美惠等16人擬具、「海洋保育法草案案件事宜、二、繼續審查委員王美惠等16人擬具、「海洋保育法草案案件事宜、二、繼續審查委員王美惠等16人擬具、「海洋保育法草案案件事宜、二、繼續審查委員王美惠等16人擬具、「海洋保育法草案案件事宜、二、繼續審查委員王美惠等"},{"start":6488.91,"end":6492.372,"text":"委員白有一個第二條。請麻煩委員換在第六頁。委員白的第二條。"},{"start":6507.513,"end":6532.946,"text":"各位委員報告保護區當然聯合國的這個3030來講的話是一個非常高度的理想但是以這個高度的理想放在我們台灣要來做的話以我們現在所有的保護區的範圍來講才只有百分之八"},{"start":6534.787,"end":6550.822,"text":"二、繼續審查委員王美惠等16二、繼續審查委員王美惠等16二、繼續審查委員王美惠等16二、繼續審查委員王美惠等16二、繼續審查委員王美惠等16二、繼續審查委員王美惠等16二、繼續審查委員王美惠等16二、繼續審查委員王美惠等16二、繼續審查委員王美惠等16二、繼續審查委員王美惠等16二、繼續審查委員王美惠等16二、繼續審查委員王美惠等16二、繼續審查委員王美惠等16二、繼續審查委員王美惠等16二、繼續審查委員王美惠等16二、繼續審查委員王美惠等16"},{"start":6556.988,"end":6573.032,"text":"二、繼續審查委員王美惠等16二、繼續審查委員王美惠等16二、繼續審查委員王美惠等16二、繼續審查委員王美惠等16二、繼續審查委員王美惠等16二、繼續審查委員王美惠等16二、繼續審查委員王美惠等16二、繼續審查委員王美惠等16二、繼續審查委員王美惠等16二、繼續審查委員王美惠等16二、繼續審查委員王美惠等16二、繼續審查委員王美惠等16二、繼續審查委員王美惠等16二、繼續審查委員王美惠等16二、繼續審查委員王美惠等16二、繼續審查委員王美惠等16"},{"start":6586.736,"end":6609.04,"text":"但是這個精神要不要用附帶決議我們就尊重委員會來考慮說3030的這個保育的發展的方向我們有沒有要在這個精神之下作為努力的方向但是作為努力的目標恐怕我們可能還是達不到的以上報告"},{"start":6612,"end":6618.806,"text":"謝謝管主委,我想管主委剛剛也說明了嘛,就針對這個部分確實是至愛難行的,因為其實以現在來說,我們有69個保護區,其實才劃設了8%的這個限制海域。"},{"start":6625.131,"end":6626.692,"text":"一、繼續審查委員王美惠等16一、繼續審查委員王美惠等16一、繼續審查委員王美惠等16"},{"start":6646.087,"end":6666.495,"text":"如此,我們另外有委員會的意見,如果沒有意見,我們就不予採納。所以我們剛才我們的委員就說30%沒辦法達到,所以你要想要定幾%?對,一定要有一個%數吧,對啊,不能說只有8%嘛。對,他就是說那個20,對啊,就是2030啊,不要列嗎?"},{"start":6673.198,"end":6677.18,"text":"對阿,第二條。跟委員報告,就是說到底要劃在哪裡是必須要經過科學調查做基礎。而且這個科學的調查,第一個我們的調查船現在才剛開始要造船。"},{"start":6698.893,"end":6701.776,"text":"三、繼續審查委員王美惠等16三、繼續審查委員王美惠等16三、繼續審查委員王美惠等16三、繼續審查委員王美惠等16三、繼續審查委員王美惠等16三、繼續審查委員王美惠等16"},{"start":6726.915,"end":6737.687,"text":"所以現在要去談說可能是多少百分比恐怕很抱歉就是說我們也都不敢不敢輕易的去預設說會是一個怎樣的方向"},{"start":6738.971,"end":6751.594,"text":"好,同意這個主委所說的,那本來我的版本也是有畫這個範圍,那我也同意朋友堅持,謝謝好,我們就這個委員帖楊瓊瓔委員﹑羅天惟委員﹑蘇喬瑞委員﹑臺灣民眾黨東團﹑高金樹梅總召所帖的案第二條,我們就不予採納"},{"start":6766.818,"end":6794.329,"text":"我剛才覺得其實為什麼要寫的原因是其實這一部法案大家都知道了嘛是其實是在海洋資源的保護和海洋資源的運用上面希望能夠得到一個平衡的狀態所以有這樣的一部法當然是會最好可是到底這個範圍應該要怎麼界定的話其實就是本件最大的爭議"},{"start":6795.189,"end":6818.981,"text":"所以我本來才想說是不是直接在法規上面可以是明文把這個範圍的部分吼包括是臨海、臨近區、禁止水域、限制水域、專屬經濟海域及大陸礁層的海域範圍這樣子的狀況是把它明文寫下來的啦但是剛才大家已經說到這裡啦這是說其實不一定要把它放在這裡那是不是我都把它變成一個附帶決議啦這樣好不好"},{"start":6824.536,"end":6849.005,"text":"我們可以試寫看看但是在試寫的過程之中可能有幾點就是說譬如禁止水域限制水域還有是不是用專屬經濟海域大陸交層為範圍的這個部分呢我們面對的是兩個部分一個就是說如果未來是BBNJ的思考模式的思考架構的時候那就不止"},{"start":6849.525,"end":6853.286,"text":"一、繼續審查委員王美惠等17一、繼續審查委員王美惠等17一、繼續審查委員王美惠等17一、繼續審查委員王美惠等17一、繼續審查委員王美惠等17一、繼續審查委員王美惠等17"},{"start":6878.195,"end":6879.056,"text":"二、繼續審查委員王美惠等17二、繼續審查委員王美惠等17"},{"start":6893.167,"end":6917.723,"text":"對,因為是這樣我跟您意見交換一下就好了就是說這個海洋保育的目標和其成其實我們大家都是用那個聯合國生物多樣性公約通過3030的目標嘛那我們也覺得這個現在不用先馬上入法可是本來也是覺得說那既然沒有入在法裡面的話那是不是用附帶決議的部分才不會說太嚴格的狀況到我們無法自己沒有辦法達成反而限制更多畢竟我們是剛踏出第一步嘛"},{"start":6918.343,"end":6919.124,"text":"二、繼續審查委員王美惠等16人擬具〈海洋保育法草案〉案。"},{"start":6941.459,"end":6946.885,"text":"好,謝謝,這樣我們就報以採納,跟我們現在又經營第二條條文的討論,行政院的版本,來看我們委員有什麼意見嗎?"},{"start":6960.794,"end":6964.115,"text":"委員王美惠等17委員王美惠等17委員王美惠等17"},{"start":6985.171,"end":6990.654,"text":"我們看我們的委員有意見嗎?不堅持,謝謝謝謝我們的高精專委跟我們很多委員這樣我們就第二條依行政版本宴盤通過我們現在再進行第三條條文來討論請委員看有什麼意見嗎?第15頁的"},{"start":7014.364,"end":7043.56,"text":"攬家習委員第三條的部分就是我的版本主要是要增列第九款的漁業人第十款的漁業從業人跟漁業法第四條的規定是相符合他只是就這兩個在海上工作的這些應該成為海保法主要的定義對象那因為我後面的條文也會提到所以希望能夠增列第九款還有第十款"},{"start":7046.118,"end":7072.606,"text":"我們委員大家注意一下在第三條洪森漢的委員修正動議在我們的本合、我們的大家的都會長在北亞的大家修正動議看一看來,我們是不是剛才我們許委員的意見我們請副座說明一下好嗎"},{"start":7077.631,"end":7090.585,"text":"謝謝席委員提出這個定義啦那基本上這個遺業人或遺業從人是引用遺業法裡面的定義啦那遺業法一定有定義的當然這邊我是建議後面那個補償機制再討論這個定義可以引用遺業法的定義基本"},{"start":7098.693,"end":7108.203,"text":"可是因為我後面還有很多法條是要用到這個部分啊所以如果沒有定義的話可能我後面法條可以不用寫可以引用耶華的定義"},{"start":7110.113,"end":7111.494,"text":"三、繼續審查委員王美惠等16人擬具"},{"start":7132.402,"end":7152.635,"text":"對海保法來說主要保護的對象其實應該是漁業人跟漁業從業人員所以如果可以把它定義進去的話我覺得會對這個法律比較周延我們請教召委是不是在立法技術的部分我們尊重一下那個法治單位請他們說明看看我們請法治單位起來說明法務部來"},{"start":7159.807,"end":7167.775,"text":"法務部來請回答剛才委員及副主委所的解說來請在庭內及不庭的差別"},{"start":7179.178,"end":7206.208,"text":"好 謝謝副市長謝謝主席以及各位委員那一般來講法律的體系是這樣如果在其他的法律裡面就這部分已經有明確的定義的時候很多概念是可以彼此原用的未必要重複的去立定因為這樣可能會產生細節文字裡面的如果略有出入的時候反而會產生適用上的意義那除非在這部法律裡面委員的提案是想要特別制定一個跟漁業法不同的定義"},{"start":7207.088,"end":7228.522,"text":"例如有出於特殊的目的的話,那可能可以再進行進一步的討論。如果定義的範圍是大致是相同的話,基於法律體系跟概念的一致性,我們是建議能夠原用其他法令既有也是有大院通過的法令的概念就可以了,比較節省立法基礎,也比較不會產生之後適用上的憾格。以上報告。"},{"start":7229.861,"end":7258.424,"text":"好,原則上我就是跟漁業法的第4條的規定相同好,因為說實在他也擔心說未來今天會有什麼問題所以他才提出好,這樣那個叫可以直接用,謝謝委員第三條那個洪森漢的咧?欸,洪森漢沒來捏沒來沒助理好,不用回答了"},{"start":7263.697,"end":7292.792,"text":"第三條照驗版通過我們現在要處理委員的提案我們現在要處理委員的提案有楊清英委員、羅廷偉委員、羅美玲委員和台灣民眾黨黨團提出都共有五個案和委員賴瑞龍的提案在我們的40倍以下,大家委員看看有什麼意見嗎?"},{"start":7312.635,"end":7331.087,"text":"這一條幾乎就是高度的共識高度的共識齁不要緊,我們尊重現場的委員若不然我們就叫所有的委員提案的價格來通過因為條文內容不一樣條文內容不一樣齁現在是講第幾條現在是講第幾條第四條第四條48頁48頁48頁啊對啊,不一樣吧"},{"start":7341.192,"end":7350.834,"text":"議員王美惠等16人擬具議員王美惠等17議員王美惠等17議員王美惠等17議員王美惠等17議員王美惠等17"},{"start":7361.964,"end":7370.769,"text":"兩、繼續審查委員王美惠等17兩、繼續審查委員王美惠等17兩、繼續審查委員王美惠等17兩、繼續審查委員王美惠等17兩、繼續審查委員王美惠等17兩、繼續審查委員王美惠等17"},{"start":7384.912,"end":7386.332,"text":"二、繼續審查委員王美惠等16人擬具"},{"start":7415.509,"end":7417.95,"text":"一、繼續審查委員王美惠等17人擬具"},{"start":7439.298,"end":7446.621,"text":"楊瓊瓔委員及羅廷惠委員及羅美玲委員及臺灣民眾黨中團所提議的第五條及委員賴瑞榮所提案的第四條,所以我們有不予採納。我們現在繼續來進行第四條的條文討論,請委員看這個。"},{"start":7467.912,"end":7476.441,"text":"第二、繼續審查委員王美惠等16人擬具〈海洋保育法草案案〉案。"},{"start":7485.936,"end":7512.339,"text":"我們現在宣告修正動議第四條的羅廷偉委員有帖在我們的党務廳第11位,但是他本人沒來,我們就沒處理。好,謝謝。來,這條有什麼意見沒來?第四條的話,我的版本有希望增煉第二項。就是主要希望海委會能夠會同有關機關跟原住民機關討論。"},{"start":7518.525,"end":7518.685,"text":"姓的?"},{"start":7545.213,"end":7566.722,"text":"謝謝許委員 謝謝昭緯跟委員報告我分兩個層次報告第一個就是說原來的17個版本我們非常慎重的來採納委員的意見以後我們原先是準備說這一條是在院版之外我們再增加王美惠昭緯委員版本裡面的"},{"start":7567.902,"end":7594.918,"text":"及因應氣候變遷這幾個字把它加進來然後放在未達成海洋生物多樣性及因應氣候變遷之目標我們原來所準備的是這樣的建議的修正條文那如果是徐委員剛剛所提的這個所謂會同的這個部分我想高基金委員也"},{"start":7595.598,"end":7614.323,"text":"一、繼續審查委員王美惠等17一、繼續審查委員王美惠等17一、繼續審查委員王美惠等17一、繼續審查委員王美惠等17一、繼續審查委員王美惠等17一、繼續審查委員王美惠等17一、繼續審查委員王美惠等17一、繼續審查委員王美惠等17一、繼續審查委員王美惠等17一、繼續審查委員王美惠等17一、繼續審查委員王美惠等17一、繼續審查委員王美惠等17一、繼續審查委員王美惠等17一、繼續審查委員王美惠等17一、繼續審查委員王美惠等17一、繼續審查委員王美惠等17"},{"start":7623.306,"end":7624.448,"text":"三、繼續審查委員王美惠等16人擬具"},{"start":7639.229,"end":7662.161,"text":"我所知就是兩岸人民關係條例有用過因為它比較高度的敏感所以在小三通的航線等等這些部分有會同的概念其他在整個法制體系裡面大概都是主管機關負責的概念就是主管機關你要負責那如果說主管機關好幾個人就不知道誰該負責那會同是主管機關的身份"},{"start":7667.043,"end":7667.703,"text":"三、繼續審查委員王美惠等16人擬具"},{"start":7685.41,"end":7690.273,"text":"二、繼續審查委員王美惠等17二、繼續審查委員王美惠等17二、繼續審查委員王美惠等17二、繼續審查委員王美惠等17二、繼續審查委員王美惠等17二、繼續審查委員王美惠等17二、"},{"start":7715.404,"end":7729.484,"text":"因為有時候這樣理清說得比較清楚,不然說實話委員大家也都很煩惱聽起來,大家很用心都不高興。好來。好,跟主席以及各位委員來報告。一般在法制作業上面,如果涉及業務的彼此的重疊的時候,"},{"start":7731.627,"end":7759.452,"text":"那我們在立法紀錄上大概有兩種至少有兩種強度一種叫做會同那一種叫做會商那中間主要的差別是在於以會同的角度來說其實兩邊的權利大概都跟主管機關一樣所以很多法案或是法規命令如果說要會同提出的話是要會嫌的就是你對裡面的其中一個字有意見就提出不了會互相卡來卡去可是如果這個東西真的重要到說每個主管機關意見都同等重要的話"},{"start":7764.975,"end":7775.601,"text":"例外一種是會商的合作模式是仍然是有主從之分,他會有主辦機關跟協辦機關的區別那主辦機關在形成這樣的政策或是提出相關的法規命令或甚至提出相關的法案規劃的時候"},{"start":7776.682,"end":7800.048,"text":"必須要諮商其他主管機關的意見。於於采納,當然最後可能采納之後還是以自己的意見為主。可是因為有主辦跟協辦的差別,最後認為回歸主辦機關的部分來為主。所以至少有這樣的兩種的不同的法制上的可能的規劃的方向,它合作的強度是不同的。那這邊跟委員來做報告,"},{"start":7804.444,"end":7825.311,"text":"謝謝,我們請高津召委先講一下好,謝謝主席首先我主委的說法第一我不接受第二呢這個法治單位講得很清楚他在法律上並沒有限制不能夠用會同這個部分"},{"start":7825.951,"end":7844.774,"text":"就單看這個法律你對於這個相關的人員所謂法案的重要性那行政院版的第四條還有我的第五條還有徐宇貞委員的第四條他增加一項就是由主管機關會同有關主管機關定資"},{"start":7846.095,"end":7865.752,"text":"在這裡呢我同意徐宇貞委員的主管機關會同但是也必須要把原民會加進來然後會加進來的第二個原因是因為原住民族依據原基法的傳統海域跟原基法第19條的公告海域這些都是原住民使用海域的範圍"},{"start":7866.753,"end":7884.526,"text":"所以我們在訂定整體海洋保護區管理政策方針的時候更應該依據原基法原基法等同縣法它是原住民法你不管是土地也好海域也好最重要的法所以在今天我們訂定這個海洋保護法的時候"},{"start":7885.467,"end":7902.066,"text":"我們待會還會碰到非常多的會商這個字所以我在這邊就一定的講也一定的要求會商這個字我們就改為會同以上謝謝來一個鄭天才委員簡單講就是說"},{"start":7907.115,"end":7915.303,"text":"會商就是就是我請你表示意見表示意見阿如果你的意見跟我不一樣"},{"start":7916.417,"end":7924.861,"text":"一、繼續審查委員王美惠等17人擬具、「海洋保育法草案案案件 判決案件 判決案件 判決案件 判決案件 判決案件 判決案件"},{"start":7939.858,"end":7965.648,"text":"他有他的名字然後嚴明會的主任委員也有名字農業部的部長也有名字在那邊就是三個如果是三個部會要會同的話從承辦人到那個主任委員或部長都要蓋章了蓋章上去才叫做會同就是很重大的很重要的部分就是用會同大概簡單講就是這樣"},{"start":7967.418,"end":7972.18,"text":"議員王美惠等17議員王美惠等17議員王美惠等17議員王美惠等17議員王美惠等17議員王美惠等17議員王美惠等17"},{"start":7994.128,"end":8018.337,"text":"在會同的會商到後面的時候我們再來討論就是第二章馬上就要到了那第四條是原則還完全沒有涉及程序所以第四條能不能建議我們就是用還是維持那個架構就是章節的架構第四條我們先用院版那會同或會商的問題我們第二章逐個條的時候我們再來討論能不能這樣"},{"start":8021.041,"end":8048.793,"text":"因為我的第四條是整列第二項就是希望前項海洋保護區的整合規劃及執行由主管機關會同有關機關訂定之所以基本上當然希望是能夠會同原住民的這個機關跟我們的有關機關來一起討論我是整列了第二項我的意思就是說這個東西放在這裡的第二項結構上是屬於第二章"},{"start":8049.873,"end":8057.581,"text":"對,我們看看第二章的時候再來討論是放在哪裡。但是第一章是原則,不是程序。好,我們先保留。好,同意先保留。我們繼續處理。"},{"start":8067.183,"end":8083.716,"text":"進行第二章章名的討論,第二章章名委員提案的,跟行政院提案的,差不多都一樣,我們是不是依照行政院提案的第二章的章名通過,"},{"start":8086.009,"end":8092.135,"text":"請問委員會有什麼意見?若沒有意見,我們就繼續執行第五條的條文來討論,甘麻煩。第二張張明通過。"},{"start":8106.158,"end":8115.802,"text":"對,剛才我說了,是不是我們叫行政院提案的第二章,章名通過,這樣算說第二次來,我們看委員第五條的看有什麼意見,第六十頁"},{"start":8144.205,"end":8148.388,"text":"應該...應該沒什麼意見吧?這應該沒什麼意見吧?沒...沒意見齁?這樣我們照驗板通過"},{"start":8157.695,"end":8163.24,"text":"再來,我們繼續審查第6屆的政委委員會有什麼意見嗎?在91頁的。在這兩份修正動議第6屆的告證。"},{"start":8173.291,"end":8175.954,"text":"人擬具〈海洋保育法草案案案〉案。"},{"start":8193.422,"end":8200.868,"text":"委員王美惠等17委員王美惠等17委員王美惠等17"},{"start":8219.142,"end":8244.642,"text":"議員主席。但這個第六條,這個海洋保護區,我們現在要修改的就是海洋保護區的主題是這個管理有關之事項。我們現在要來修改這個海洋保護區源於漁業人、漁業從業人之照顧。第六條。"},{"start":8246.971,"end":8253.858,"text":"人擬具、「海洋保育法草案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案"},{"start":8255.65,"end":8277.028,"text":"鄭天才委員你有意見嗎?阿哥,會同有關機關,中央主管機關,會同有關機關及原住民族機關。好,這就過分。謝謝。中委員,不好意思。來,請鄭天才委員。好,第6條,我自己的版本。"},{"start":8278.496,"end":8296.466,"text":"我的版本在第99頁。從98到99。那因為這一條第6條是在講中央主管機關應會商有關機關訂定整體海洋保護期管理政策方針。"},{"start":8297.776,"end":8302.238,"text":"因尊重、維護、保存傳統用海智慧等海洋文化資產,保障與傳承原住民族傳統用海文化及潛意。"},{"start":8327.816,"end":8330.724,"text":"來,我們剛才有議件,賣政委員,來。"},{"start":8336.828,"end":8355.865,"text":"我們民眾黨這邊就是行政院版本的第6條就是關於台灣海洋保護區的第一管區的針對還有就是但裡面沒有讓利害關係人見有機會提出意見所以我們建議採納我們的版本第8條"},{"start":8361.67,"end":8381.847,"text":"召開公聽會納入移民相關利害關係人、專家、學者、公民團體的意見。在規劃裏面就是沒有納入公民參與的機制,確保規劃公正及公開這個部分。謝謝。我們現在要許議政委員。"},{"start":8391.895,"end":8418.536,"text":"有關我修正動議的第6條就是中央主管機關應會同跟剛剛的概念一樣有關機關及原住民機關然後增設第6條海洋保護區原漁業人跟漁業從業人之照顧然後另外就是一樣是第一項整體海洋保護區管理政策方針實施後中央主管機關應會同有關機關會商全部改作會同"},{"start":8418.996,"end":8420.504,"text":"人擬具〈海洋保育法草案〉案"},{"start":8425.994,"end":8449.447,"text":"謝謝 謝謝三位那個行政院版的第6條也是我的第7條一樣就是回到我剛剛說的會商那個字要把它改為會同然後那個鄭天才委員的曾佳娜一項我覺得放上去也很好好不好但是呢我沒有非常堅持但是會同那個部分我是非常堅持以上謝謝好來主委"},{"start":8451.729,"end":8473.244,"text":"謝謝各位委員那我第一個就是有關於是不是要召開公聽會的部分我們原先也有預計就是要採納民眾黨以及王美惠委員還有周瑞雄委員跟吳其米委員徐宇珍委員都提到的"},{"start":8475.305,"end":8498.16,"text":"並於規劃及檢討階段提供必要資訊後召開公聽會以納入相關利害關係人 專家學者 公民團體之意見我們就有準備說委員們跟民眾黨的這些建議我們要把它納入作為修正條文這是第一點"},{"start":8499.36,"end":8519.487,"text":"第二點有關於原住民的部分因為本法在原住民相關的稅型的原住民基本法或者是諮商同意權的這一個部分它有兩個部分一個是劃設庇護區的過程另外一個是在制定保護計劃的過程"},{"start":8522.228,"end":8530.655,"text":"那這兩個過程我們後來是想說我們可以用增列第九條的方式"},{"start":8531.721,"end":8558.741,"text":"那等一下是不是再一起來討論這一塊我先念一下我們想說增列第九條大概就是把所有委員有關於原住民基本法應遂行程序的部分我們就全部都採納然後增列第九條海洋庇護區之劃定、變更或廢止及海洋庇護區保育計劃之擬定"},{"start":8561.042,"end":8577.392,"text":"涉及援助民族土地及海域部分中央主管機關因依援助民族基本法制規定辦理。我們就把它增列到第九條就全部都進來。所以這個部分是不是就"},{"start":8578.464,"end":8579.204,"text":"議員楊瓊瓊等16人擬具第9條議員楊瓊瓊等16人擬具第9條議員楊瓊瓊等17"},{"start":8606.168,"end":8612.975,"text":"一、繼續審查委員王美惠等17一、繼續審查委員王美惠等17一、繼續審查委員王美惠等17"},{"start":8628.482,"end":8632.583,"text":"人擬具〈海洋保育法草案案〉案〈海洋保育法草案〉案"},{"start":8646.738,"end":8651.521,"text":"第三、繼續審查委員王美惠等16人擬具〈海洋保育法草案〉案〈海洋保育法草案〉案"},{"start":8672.615,"end":8691.238,"text":"提案希望中央主管機關為辦理前項業務應設審議會由專家學者、漁會、漁民代表、民間團體、原住民代表及有關機關代表組成其中漁民代表不得少於委員總人數的三分之一"},{"start":8691.898,"end":8717.587,"text":"專家學者、漁會、民間團體及原住民等不具官方身份的代表人數不得少於委員人數的三分之一。然後另外也是一樣因會同有關機關及原住民機關定之。那第一項海洋庇護區的話定之後應該給予損害之漁業人及漁業權人的補償。相關補償辦法由中央主管機關會同有關機關"},{"start":8718.607,"end":8719.249,"text":"原住民機關及漁民團體定職。"},{"start":8723.928,"end":8726.73,"text":"好,這樣我們請高金素美召委"},{"start":8754.248,"end":8759.39,"text":"及有關機關代表的組成逗號,其中愚民代表及原住民代表的人數不得於"},{"start":8769.899,"end":8789.606,"text":"與委員總人數不得少於二分之一也就是說這個部分原名跟餘名的代表都要被充分被納入不知道徐宇貞委員在這樣子的文字的修訂在您的修正動議版本裏面同不同意?如果同意的話我們兩個就可以到時候再跟行政院再討論好嗎?謝謝"},{"start":8795.956,"end":8813.856,"text":"好 那我想要表達一下因為我來不及提那個動議那我想要表達一下我支持伍麗華委員跟蘇曉慧委員的版本就是有原住民代表以及相關利益團體的代表必須要納入然後如果有涉及原住民族的海域及土地的話"},{"start":8814.837,"end":8830.045,"text":"人主民族的代表應該要不得少於二分之一那我覺得審議會確實是這一次審議的重點就是他們是利害關係人應該要納入他們的聲音所以我支持原住民族以及相關利害團體的聲音應該要被納入謝謝"},{"start":8838.312,"end":8859.042,"text":"我在我的版本的第七條裡面其實在第二項的部分其實有寫到其實這個其中包括專家、學者、民間團體、代表及原住民等人數不得少於委員總人數的二分之一那其實我的版本是有把原住民三個字希望能夠放進去"},{"start":8859.844,"end":8877.938,"text":"那當然現在我剛才知道說還有會有考慮用第九條的方式來去處理原住民相關的問題我覺得這也是一個做法那我自己是覺得如果有第九條一個比較完整的去處理整體的原住民的參與尤其是參與跟能夠相關的這個相關的"},{"start":8881.861,"end":8896.909,"text":"參與這個決定或者是審議那我自己也贊成用一個第九條的方式來去處理相關原住民在這個法裡面統籌性的問題所以我不一定堅持我的版本但是前提是要有剛剛的那個第九條的增訂好 謝謝來看來張宏路委員來我們請主委說一下"},{"start":8906.028,"end":8906.048,"text":"韓國瑜議員"},{"start":8919.195,"end":8944.225,"text":"我剛剛念過,等一下來看,如果我們有第九條的話,如果我們增列第九條,其實原住民就幾乎是百分之百。他就比審議會的人,因為諮商同意權嘛,諮商同意權的那個稅刑的過程,當然我這樣講是一種比喻,但是就是說一定要稅刑諮商同意權的踐行嘛,所以"},{"start":8944.445,"end":8951.968,"text":"審查委員王美惠等17審查委員王美惠等18審查委員王美惠等19審查委員王美惠等20審查委員王美惠等19"},{"start":8969.315,"end":8971.637,"text":"議員王美惠等17議員王美惠等17議員王美惠等17議員王美惠等17"},{"start":8989.028,"end":9014.573,"text":"當然因為說實在主要的海洋跟海域的這個主要活動者本來就是漁民嘛,漁業從業人員所以這個對他們來說屁股區的畫社其實對他們來說他們也最了解狀況那也對他們這個造成的損失也會最多所以我們覺得應該是要將這個漁民代表跟原住民代表剛剛高金委員有講嘛我們就是占二分之一因為其實我們是最了解海域的狀況也對影響最多"},{"start":9017.352,"end":9040.427,"text":"來,咱們高薪高委員好,謝謝,謝謝主席雖然這個有關於原住民那麼重要的法案只有我一個人在這裡原住民的代表只有我一個人在但是我還是要捍衛我的立場我欣慰海委會主委是第九條有真的是把原住民基本法的精神放在這裡我欣慰我也"},{"start":9041.499,"end":9064.905,"text":"站同但是既然你第九條可以放原基法的部分我們還回到剛剛在所有的法條裡面的會商那麼你改成會同就應該沒有意見然後第二件事情第九條你們是必須依照原住民族基本法的規定辦理的時候呢這裡其實並沒有講到我們的人數要多少的比例參與所以這一條我們談到的是"},{"start":9066.425,"end":9066.545,"text":"人擬具"},{"start":9084.969,"end":9113.18,"text":"總數二分之一或三分之二以及會商是不是要改成會同還有就是說裡面分享原住民與漁民代表等加起來要不要超過二分之一這幾題是不是我們保留讓我們有更多的時間來跟委員說明再進一步的溝通好,這樣我們第七條的保留"},{"start":9118.332,"end":9135.043,"text":"我們現在來處理高清專委的增訂第七條之一的修正動議。在我們本本地特定第三頁的,大家看看有什麼意見。"},{"start":9148.837,"end":9150.438,"text":"三、繼續審查委員王美惠等16人擬具"},{"start":9174.15,"end":9196.815,"text":"請召委提這個因此動議你的意見如何來,修正動議。跟大會報告,就是說,整體的設計,海保法的設計,權限當然就是歸中央的原因,是因為它需要,第一個,它需要非常巨大的能量才有辦法做這件事。"},{"start":9197.575,"end":9224.202,"text":"例如說我要做生物多樣性調查我要做生物的熱區的調查這些科學的調查你要有團隊的能力要有專家的能力然後又需要很大的能量你才能夠有調查做依據去決定要不要化射所以我們會認為說地方政府要有這樣的量能是非常難以達到的"},{"start":9225.171,"end":9248.157,"text":"另外第二個是他必須處理非常複雜的利害關係方的折衝也就是說漁民的權益、原住民的權益還有產業的問題還有生態保育各方面的這種非常複雜的折衝的課題在裡面"},{"start":9251.378,"end":9265.582,"text":"一方面是量能,一方面是則衝的行政負擔也是量能的一部分,這個是量能。另外就是,如果所有的地方政府也都可以來劃設庇護區的時候,"},{"start":9269.22,"end":9271.962,"text":"那誰來統整整體我們海洋庇護區畫社的這個總體的畫社的權限這個時候我們又必須去處理那中央跟地方權限之下不同意見時候又要怎麼辦"},{"start":9290.516,"end":9299.981,"text":"所以它是變成：它會變成是一個高度複雜的課題。主委,在這,因為大家這個是說大家這樣探討起來的問題流出來,跟你們的解說跟要怎麼去定,所以在內這來說實在委員大家都很認真、很努力。跟我們高層召委也說,因為剛才的問題都解決了,"},{"start":9315.768,"end":9333.06,"text":"所謂的修正動議裏面的政廳第7條之一,依舊沒要處理了。因為第7條我們會處理的話,我這個就不堅持,好不好?好,謝謝,謝謝各位。我們麻煩我們的委員,限告有169頁。"},{"start":9337.148,"end":9357.662,"text":"我們主理楊瓊瓊委員及羅廷偉委員及臺灣民眾黨委員提案第10條的委員高津、趙薇、蘇梅所提案的第9條請看大家有什麼意見。169人。"},{"start":9362.489,"end":9364.971,"text":"議員王美惠等17議員王美惠等17議員王美惠等17議員王美惠等17議員王美惠等17"},{"start":9389.571,"end":9414.52,"text":"麻煩大家再審過1871頁第8條的,跟我們看所有的委員有什麼意見,跟在這兩邊有修正同意第8條的高清素美召委在第3頁的,有立法委員在第7頁的,跟"},{"start":9417.625,"end":9424.062,"text":"局部徐宇臻委員第15頁。今天看看有什麼意見可以出來討論。謝謝。"},{"start":9428.836,"end":9447.878,"text":"有關第八條的修正動議是增加應會同有關機關、原住民機關及漁會因為其實也希望說讓這些不然是原住民機關或各區域會都能夠充分的表達"},{"start":9448.579,"end":9452.08,"text":"等16人擬具〈海洋保育法草案案〉案〉來,鄭天才委員。"},{"start":9481.974,"end":9484.355,"text":"提到第一項海洋庇護區保育計劃之擬定涉及原住民族土地及海域者"},{"start":9502.205,"end":9523.088,"text":"中央主管機關應會商原住民族主管機關擬定涉及限制原住民族利用原住民族土地、海域及自然資源使審議前擬定機關應以當地原住民族或部落諮商並取得其同意。"},{"start":9523.949,"end":9547.363,"text":"一位行政院版的條文它只有說涉及原住民族土地及海域者中央主管機關因依原住民族基本法之規定辦理事實上這個就比較籠統事實上如果我們從海洋基本法"},{"start":9548.571,"end":9571.701,"text":"以及這個原住民族基本法兩個條文兩個法來去看的時候那實際上要落實這個兩個基本法必須在作用法裡面來做比較明確的一個做法所以我才會記在我的這個第八條的所提的草案裡面明定提到請參考這個第177頁以上"},{"start":9575.592,"end":9603.304,"text":"好,我們請李博義委員再來請我們高層召委謝謝,也是針對第8條在伍麗華委員提出的修正動議裡面的第5項他有寫到因與援助民族建立共同管理機制跟我們剛剛主委所提出來跟海委會剛剛所提出來的第9條這個精神還有這個文字是不是可以請主委這邊做一下說明"},{"start":9610.087,"end":9630.269,"text":"來,咱家告今早位。好,謝謝,謝謝主席。很多委員沒有來的,我們都會不處理他的版本。所以希望主席待會也宣布一下,好不好?那我們現在就這個行政院版本的第8條,也是我的這個修正理由的第10條,我們來看一下。"},{"start":9631.01,"end":9655.64,"text":"第十條裡面我講得很清楚就是一樣要會同原民會然後接著下來呢第一項海洋庇護區這個部分跟鄭天才委員的版本提的版本有點像我大概提一下我的內容就是說第一項海洋庇護區保育計畫的擬定只要是涉及到原住民族土地還有海域者中央主管機關應該要會同原住民族主管機關擬定"},{"start":9657.02,"end":9682.416,"text":"涉及限制原住民族利用原住民族土地、海域及自然資源的時候審議之前要擬定機關應該要跟當地原住民族或部落諮商並取得他的同意然後接下來就是另外一項就是因劃定海洋庇護區而當地原住民族受限制所生的損失應該要由中央主管機關匡列預算補償"},{"start":9684.997,"end":9694.442,"text":"這個意思也就是說我們被限制了以後應該要被寬裂補償的機制然後涉及到我們要劃設這些區域的時候應該要會同圓明會以上簡單的說明 謝謝來 我們委員跟什麼人還有意見沒有什麼意見我們請主委說明一下"},{"start":9708.746,"end":9726.311,"text":"謝謝,謝謝張磊,謝謝各位委員。原則上就是因為這一條也涉及會商跟會同,所以大概也是必須依序就是做保留啦。但是除此以外,我是想先再說明幾個細項的部分。就是說有關徐立正委員說的要看載在全國漁會刊物的部分。"},{"start":9727.071,"end":9730.213,"text":"兩、繼續審查委員王美惠等17兩、繼續審查委員王美惠等17兩、繼續審查委員王美惠等17兩、繼續審查委員王美惠等17"},{"start":9752.529,"end":9765.976,"text":"對,因為要登場是…我了解,就是說我們是會想說用負債決議或寫在立法說明,可能層次上,就是法律條文技術上面的那個層次上的考慮的問題。"},{"start":9766.957,"end":9771.879,"text":"二、繼續審查委員王美惠等17二、繼續審查委員王美惠等17二、繼續審查委員王美惠等17二、繼續審查委員王美惠等17二、繼續審查委員王美惠等17二、繼續審查委員王美惠等17二、繼續審查委員王美惠等17二、繼續審查委員"},{"start":9795.446,"end":9795.987,"text":"候議員主席候議員主席"},{"start":9816.404,"end":9834.055,"text":"對,我知道因為這一條當然也是會跟剛剛討論到的匯商跟匯銅其實是有高度的相關我想反答一下我這部分的看法雖然我知道會保留第一件事我當然很希望能夠要怎麼樣保障原住民跟"},{"start":9834.995,"end":9837.896,"text":"審查委員王美惠等17審查委員王美惠等17審查委員王美惠等17"},{"start":9853.544,"end":9854.684,"text":"三、繼續審查委員王美惠等16人擬具"},{"start":9874.369,"end":9876.09,"text":"一、繼續審查委員王美惠等17人擬具"},{"start":9891.135,"end":9891.675,"text":"三、繼續審查委員王美惠等16人擬具"},{"start":9914.804,"end":9932.2,"text":"好,謝謝我們感謝洪聖翰喔。我們這樣特別調的,就保留跟本席在這講解文化案的委員如果提修正動議沒在我們開會的時候,我們就沒要再討論,但列入公報紀錄,這樣好不好?"},{"start":9938.206,"end":9941.408,"text":"二、繼續審查委員王美惠等16人擬具"},{"start":9959.138,"end":9960.159,"text":"三、繼續審查委員王美惠等16人擬具"},{"start":9975.094,"end":9998.773,"text":"在法律的用詞用語上面用會商跟會同來講本來就是不一樣的意思對,會商只是商量同是必須彼此尊重然後涉及到原住民或漁民權益的部分那麼相關的主管機關應該就要極力的捍衛嘛所以我們在修訂、制定一個法的時候其實要把這個精神放在裡面"},{"start":9999.173,"end":10000.754,"text":"議員王美惠等17議員王美惠等17議員王美惠等17議員王美惠等17"},{"start":10029.053,"end":10031.194,"text":"人擬具〈海洋保育法草案案〉案〉"},{"start":10056.582,"end":10061.089,"text":"支持的委員,說不定每一個都會替你們去打造一些你們困難的問題。因為你修法也要說大家都站在本身的立場,沒有大家浪費時間在這裡做什麼。"},{"start":10073.458,"end":10079.883,"text":"來,麻煩我們委員憲開1893的有楊瓊瓔委員及羅廷維委員及台灣民眾黨統團提案的第12條請大家看看有什麼意見可以開始討論"},{"start":10106.008,"end":10107.389,"text":"來請主委有什麼意見嗎來,要說明給大家委員聽。我們請那個署長說明一下。市長喔?哦,署長。來,署長來。呃,這些這些詳細的計畫其實相關的條文在前一條裡面應該已經都有包括。大同小異,所以。"},{"start":10135.299,"end":10142.045,"text":"這樣就不予採納。好,那我們就不予採納。這樣我們休訓五分鐘,再繼續來審。謝謝,大家辛苦。"},{"start":10161.664,"end":10170.717,"text":"人擬具〈海洋保育法草案〉案。"},{"start":10188.951,"end":10206.842,"text":"立法院第11屆第12會期內政委員會第11屆第12會期內政委員王美惠等17立法院第12會期內政委員王美惠等17立法院第12會期內政委員王美惠等17立法院第12會期內政委員王美惠等17立法院第12會期內政委員王美惠等17立法院第12會期內政委員王美惠等17立法院第12會期內政委員"},{"start":10211.684,"end":10219.346,"text":"三、繼續審查委員王美惠等17三、繼續審查委員王美惠等17三、繼續審查委員王美惠等17"},{"start":10231.044,"end":10233.526,"text":"審查委員王美惠等17審查委員王美惠等17"},{"start":10247.237,"end":10254.139,"text":"三、繼續審查委員王美惠等16人擬具〈海洋保育法草案〉案"},{"start":10270.198,"end":10272.382,"text":"三、繼續審查委員王美惠"},{"start":10278.692,"end":10290.537,"text":"一、繼續審查委員王美惠等17一、繼續審查委員王美惠等17一、繼續審查委員王美惠等17一、繼續審查委員王美惠"},{"start":10305.562,"end":10322.15,"text":"阿這裡前面九種他未來怎麼規劃分析我們其實就看不到那時候是希望說請他們說明清楚說未來會怎麼樣規劃"},{"start":10325.231,"end":10340.757,"text":"因為這個法可能會比較針對未來新設的地步去審理以後要發言還是要一個說那我們的建議是怎樣然後我們要幾個版本在哪裡修正或是新增"},{"start":10342.618,"end":10347.56,"text":"立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員王美惠等17人擬具〈海洋保育法草案〉案。"},{"start":10359.165,"end":10362.606,"text":"三、繼續審查委員王美惠等17三、繼續審查委員王美惠等17"},{"start":10383.073,"end":10386.856,"text":"一、繼續審查委員王美惠等17一、繼續審查委員王美惠等17一、繼續審查"},{"start":10412.793,"end":10413.833,"text":"這個比較奇怪就是他們"},{"start":10429.747,"end":10453.358,"text":"有一些人沒有提保密條款,但這個就支持院本證。還有這個,還有這個,第19條,就是說因為他現在的法條是主管機關,那就是會,然後其他人又再定的更明確是各級。"},{"start":10454.318,"end":10457.68,"text":"一、繼續審查委員王美惠等17一、繼續審查委員王美惠等17一、繼續審查委員王美惠等17"},{"start":10475.956,"end":10491.234,"text":"對,他直接這樣就好了。但是我們會希望說就是你最後地方,譬如說地方主管機關提的賦予計劃,你還是要讓中央主管機關核准。因為其實他就是只要依照這個原則就可以辦。"},{"start":10492.855,"end":10516.15,"text":"第二項是說主管機關以外的人要用這個辦所以等於是地方主管機關的話你看像地方主管機關以外的機關如果要辦他就要主管機關同意然後第一項的話他有會上中央主管機關這樣子啊我們會希望說就是要有核准啊"},{"start":10517.432,"end":10531.524,"text":"雖然他會傷害我會聽中央的沒有錯但是有核准比較像是過一個正式讓他們有一個審查程序因為各地方政府對於保育的概念其實落差蠻大的得意沒有他如果中央他就會寫中央"},{"start":10545.453,"end":10550.359,"text":"三、繼續審查委員王美惠等16人擬具"},{"start":10560.43,"end":10571.752,"text":"三、繼續審查委員王美惠等17三、繼續審查委員王美惠等17三、繼續審查委員王美惠等17三、繼續審查委員王美惠等17"},{"start":10583.795,"end":10586.418,"text":"有聽過中央的意見就是不要干涉太多"},{"start":10601.872,"end":10603.172,"text":"會限制太多。"},{"start":10626.458,"end":10634.561,"text":"三、繼續審查委員王美惠等17三、繼續審查委員王美惠等17三、繼續審查委員王美惠等17三、繼續審查委員王美惠等17"},{"start":10661.609,"end":10670.114,"text":"三、繼續審查委員王美惠等17三、繼續審查委員王美惠等17三、繼續審查委員王美惠"},{"start":10687.003,"end":10700.311,"text":"後面爭議也都沒有打,只是前面那幾條分會商會討論還有啊,支出環保團體有講到第28條就是說已經許可的他就要繼續核准到有效期限為止但就是"},{"start":10713.465,"end":10731.657,"text":"有時候那種生物調查它是滾動性,你可能會某一次調查才發現赫蘭旱這邊有一些珍貴的物種,那你以前已經核准的,你要不要再發現的時候趕快採取保育措施給它暫停或什麼,所以其他人有一些也會提說,就是看是不是可以...來,我們繼續來進行第九條的條文來討論"},{"start":10739.209,"end":10745.072,"text":"在18、95頁,18、95頁,看看有什麼問題,大家可以出來討論。我們在九條的修正動議,在九條的修正動議,在一本的第四頁,"},{"start":10779.532,"end":10792.6,"text":"大家看看第九條,該由召委理由秀節修正動議,在咱哋在本會議第四頁。"},{"start":10798.464,"end":10824.024,"text":"看有什麼問題院版的第9條就是我的說那東西的第11條啦吼第11條就是一樣就是中央主管機關要會同原住民族中央機關及其他有關經營一樣都是會同所以跟前面的政府不一樣 跟前面的政府不一樣 跟前面的政府不一樣跟前面的政府不一樣跟前面的政府不一樣跟前面的政府不一樣跟前面的政府不一樣跟前面的政府不一樣跟前面的政府不一樣跟前面的政府不一樣跟前面的政府不一樣跟前面的政府不一樣跟前面的政府不一樣跟前面的政府不一樣跟前面的政府不一樣跟前面的政府不一樣跟前面的政府不一樣跟前面的政府不一樣跟前面的政府不一樣跟前面的政府不一樣跟前面的政府不一樣跟前面的政府不一樣跟前面的政府不一樣"},{"start":10824.404,"end":10834.697,"text":"三、繼續審查委員王美惠等17人擬具、「海洋保育法草案案案件事宜等19人擬具、「海洋保育法草案案件事宜等19人擬具、「海洋保育法草案案件事宜等19人擬具、「海洋保育法草案案件事宜等19人擬具、「海洋保育法草案案件事宜等19人擬具、「海洋保育法草案案件事宜等19人擬具、「海洋保育法草案案件事宜等19人擬具、「海洋保育法草案案件事宜等19人擬具、「海洋保育法草案案件事宜等19人擬具、「海洋保育"},{"start":10846.004,"end":10871.866,"text":"二、繼續審查委員王美惠等17二、繼續審查委員王美惠等17二、繼續審查委員王美惠等17二、繼續審查委員王美惠等17二、繼續審查委員王美惠等17二、繼續審查委員王美惠等17二、繼續審查委員王美惠等17二、繼續審查委員王美惠等17二、繼續審查委員王美惠等17二、繼續審查委員王美惠等17二、繼續審查委員王美惠等17二、繼續審查委員王美惠等17二、繼續審查委員王美惠等17二、繼續審查委員王美惠等17二、繼續審查委員王美惠等17二、繼續審查委員王美惠等17"},{"start":10877.141,"end":10891.09,"text":"各款幾乎全部都是支持院版。我們再提高一條保留來。第二十條的。兩百十頁。兩百十頁。我們大家再看那些,再討論看那些。"},{"start":10902.403,"end":10905.965,"text":"這條大概17個版本,絕大多數都是同院版。我們沒有任何意見,我們就照行政版本來通過。再來,我們看第11條的225頁。"},{"start":10936.066,"end":10955.135,"text":"只有第一項是有13個版本相同,其他都是17個版本都同院版。但是,這樣,主委,是不是,這樣照院版通過?"},{"start":10956.564,"end":10966.774,"text":"人擬具〈海洋保育法草案案〉案、第二、繼續審查委員王美惠等18人擬具〈海洋保育法草案案〉案、第二、繼續審查委員王美惠等18人擬具〈海洋保育法草案〉案、第二、繼續審查委員王美惠等18人擬具〈海洋保育法草案〉案、第二、繼續審查委員王美惠等18人擬具〈海洋保育法草案〉案、第二、繼續審查委員王美惠等18人擬具〈海洋保育法草案〉案、第二、繼續審查委員王美惠等18人擬具〈海洋保育法草案〉"},{"start":10985.64,"end":10995.089,"text":"主席,針對第12條,我也是有修正動議的。我剛才要講而已,抱歉。因為修正動議第12條,徐宇貞委員有提出,"},{"start":10999.993,"end":11005.878,"text":"等16人擬具〈海洋保育法草案案〉案〈海洋保育法草案〉案"},{"start":11027.857,"end":11040.125,"text":"這一條一樣,因為它是屬於程序,我們也再來研議可行性,好嗎?我們保留一種…再來,12條保留,來,我們現在來處理委員賴瑞榮等提案第14條的,在243頁,大家看到嗎?"},{"start":11057.146,"end":11061.468,"text":"一、繼續審查委員王美惠等16人擬具〈海洋保育法草案〉案。"},{"start":11090.054,"end":11109.979,"text":"二、繼續審查委員王美惠等17三、繼續審查委員王美惠等17三、繼續審查委員王美惠等17三、繼續審查委員王美惠等17三、繼續審查委員王美惠等17三、繼續審查委員王美惠等17三、繼續審查委員王美惠等17三、繼續審查委員"},{"start":11119.253,"end":11143.404,"text":"報告 報告委員我有修正綜藝第15條一樣的問題這是會同的來 那個修正綜藝第13條的高層召委他的一本在4頁的 跟徐綜委員一本港本的在16頁 大家看看有什麼好討論嗎"},{"start":11145.945,"end":11166.523,"text":"我剛才做主委,我剛才的意見都不能說。主委要...主席,就是我的部分也是屬於...主席,我沒辦法說。就是主管機關因會...中央主管機關因會同其他目的事業主管機關跟原住民機關,我也是增列這個部分。這樣喔,來看什麼人的意見嗎?"},{"start":11171.854,"end":11194.246,"text":"如此之下,主席會議的意見如何?這條真的是想要懇請委員說,這條如果是會同的話,大概就卡住什麼事情都很難推動,因為非常龐雜,細細縮縮很多,有些實在是很細小的事情。"},{"start":11195.186,"end":11203.254,"text":"一、繼續審查委員王美惠等17一、繼續審查委員王美惠等17一、繼續審查委員王美惠等17一、繼續審查委員王美惠等17一、繼續審查委員王美惠等17一、繼續審查委員王美惠等17一、繼續審查委員王美惠等17一、繼續審查委員王美惠等17"},{"start":11218.53,"end":11219.49,"text":"兩百六十五頁兩百六十五頁"},{"start":11257.765,"end":11258.826,"text":"兩百八十五人兩百六十五誰二、六、五"},{"start":11278.854,"end":11285.462,"text":"一、繼續審查委員王美惠等16人擬具〈海洋保育法草案案〉案〈海洋保育法草案〉案"},{"start":11299.978,"end":11300.859,"text":"議員主席議員主席"},{"start":11319.345,"end":11323.629,"text":"二、繼續審查委員王美惠等16人擬具〈海洋保育法草案案〉案"},{"start":11336.252,"end":11354.721,"text":"謝謝主席有關我的第14條的修正動議是針對在調查機關法人、團體或保育人員進行調查或實施各項保育措施應客尊正當法律的程序以符合比例原則之方式為之"},{"start":11357.771,"end":11381.947,"text":"來主委謝謝委員 謝謝札委跟委員報告就是說這個是我們執行公權力的時候就是一定要做到的事情但是如果說我們要特別在這個時候再提醒的話我們是建議說就在立法說明裡面去把它特別再寫在立法說明再叮嚀一次這樣子那否則的話這個大概就是說我們在"},{"start":11382.567,"end":11396.146,"text":"在執行公權利的時候都是一定要做到的這樣子。既然我覺得既然對對既然可以做得到的話是不是就把它寫下去既然已經都本來就是這樣就把它列下去好嗎?"},{"start":11397.189,"end":11416.386,"text":"我們聽一下謝副的意見是立法技術的問題本來一定要做的東西法律體系有的東西要不要寫在母法的文字我們一般是說這是屬於特別叮嚀特別叮嚀我們一般是寫在立法說明"},{"start":11417.595,"end":11419.356,"text":"這是我的認知,不過我們還是尊重專業部門。"},{"start":11438.026,"end":11457.637,"text":"謝謝主席以及各位委員。針對整個行政調查過程當中應該遵循了程序法上或是一些憲法上的誡命的要求,包括比例原則。其實在行政程序法裡面其實有相關的規定,包括比例原則都有規定。等於是說,假設這裡沒有規定,並不代表行政機關就不受其拘束。"},{"start":11458.326,"end":11484.843,"text":"當然在立法基礎上是盡量避免跌床駕屋不過到底要不要認為說他這邊有在特與丁寧的必要說這邊可能有高度的違法性的可能所以特別在叮囑主管機關在做有時候會有這樣的立法律存在可是並不是很常見原則上如果在母法裡面在行政程序法裡面對行政機關的相關的執法作為有明確的規定的話如果認為有在特與丁寧的必要"},{"start":11485.283,"end":11485.863,"text":"三、繼續審查委員王美惠等16人擬具"},{"start":11508.94,"end":11533.215,"text":"主席不好意思主席是徐宜珍對,因為其實剛我想對法務單位來說也覺得沒有意見嘛那其實主要是因為如果調查機構他其實非常了解法令我想這沒問題可是後面還有法人、團體或保育人員他們可能不是那麼清楚的法律的狀況所以我們是這邊把他明定之那讓他們有一個有遵守的一個標準這個我看兩句這樣喔來來"},{"start":11539.704,"end":11539.724,"text":"第14條"},{"start":11565.549,"end":11580.047,"text":"那就照...好,來來來好,來,洪聖岸好我沒有不禁的意思因為因為第14條最後還是有一個會同會商的問題喔"},{"start":11581.761,"end":11583.922,"text":"三、繼續審查委員王美惠等17三、繼續審查委員王美惠等17"},{"start":11615.016,"end":11637.71,"text":"主委現在是對第14條就是因客尊正當法律的程序這個文字上是沒有問題就是徐宇貞提的這個修正版本但是他對於後面那個會同有關機關及援助民族機關定制那個部分他有問題所以呢我覺得這個我們就針對那個徐宇貞委員的這個版本我們先保留一下好不好對第14條啦什麼"},{"start":11642.032,"end":11661.681,"text":"對阿,全體要保留阿就是我們待會要回來再討論的時候就針對會同這個來討論那前面就不要再討論,這樣比較快啦好不好,謝謝好,那我們第14條我們就先暫時保留好不好"},{"start":11675.606,"end":11681.267,"text":"會議名稱．立法院第15會議名稱．立法院第15會議名稱"},{"start":11696.493,"end":11713.513,"text":"我這條的修正動議是在增加在使用人或管理人提供往返交通工具所需要的費用由指派機關支付就是這個就是針對相關人員進行調查研究的時候他搭乘的船舶所需要的費用由指定機關支付"},{"start":11717.156,"end":11721.939,"text":"主管機關我們主委我想說明就是說這個其實是刻意責任的問題就是說大家共同要承擔責任的時候我們刻意責任那實務上我們沒有規定的時候我們反而可以協商說那我要不要幫你分攤一點"},{"start":11740.913,"end":11742.434,"text":"二、繼續審查委員王美惠等17二、繼續審查委員王美惠等17"},{"start":11763.373,"end":11764.654,"text":"五、繼續審查委員王美惠等16人擬具"},{"start":11794.059,"end":11797.942,"text":"離岸封店業者我們怎麼可能是我們刻意的保育計畫裡面有他們應該做的事"},{"start":11817.378,"end":11821.039,"text":"三、繼續審查委員王美惠等17三、繼續審查委員王美惠等17三、繼續審查委員王美惠等17三、繼續審查委員王美惠等17三、繼續審查委員王美惠等17"},{"start":11844.77,"end":11846.191,"text":"三、繼續審查委員王美惠等16三、繼續審查委員王美惠等16三、繼續審查委員王美惠等16"},{"start":11875.715,"end":11888.66,"text":"來討論說辦法裡面應考量就是依可負擔成能力的問題著於考量這個費用這樣子我們來試寫看看這個部分大概主要是針對漁船的部分"},{"start":11892.984,"end":11896.107,"text":"第三項徐益臻委員是比較堅持海洋保育的觀察員他在執行觀察監測和收集資料這樣的任務的時候所需要的費用是不是只派機關支付"},{"start":11921.307,"end":11923.108,"text":"議員楊瓊瓔等16人擬具:「海洋保育法草案案 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判決"},{"start":11942.28,"end":11965.514,"text":"是不是應該就是所需的費用是指派機關要支付那請主委也回應一下這個部分他們要做這些事情的錢是什麼是他們自己熱情、熱心來做還是你們會指派他任務去做如果是你們指派他任務去做當然就應該費用由你們來出啊那他的熱情會維持多久"},{"start":11965.854,"end":11988.528,"text":"他們的薪水是我們付,沒錯。現在是說,譬如說我要去看離岸豐電產業,離岸豐電這個業者他有沒有什麼樣的行為是我們要監督的。結果呢,我當然是搭他們的工作船。那變成我要付他錢。那請問除了搭工作船,會不會有機會搭到漁船?"},{"start":11989.088,"end":11990.029,"text":"三、繼續審查委員王美惠等16人擬具"},{"start":12005.885,"end":12019.814,"text":"對,我們來試寫好不好。就是說這一條的條文還是遭怨版但是有關這個部分我們來試寫附帶決議我們後續...對,就是我主要是針對說如果他們需要搭到的是漁船那個漁船應該是要有...我們如果去搭漁船就應該要付費嘛"},{"start":12020.754,"end":12022.615,"text":"二、繼續審查委員王美惠等16人擬具"},{"start":12050.358,"end":12076.539,"text":"喂喂喂好謝謝主席對於條文的部分我沒有意見附帶決議的方式但既然要做附帶決議因為這一條裡面我們有些委員的版本是講說未來你總是要有海保警察嘛對不對你這有一個明確的執法機關跟一個專責單位你才有辦法落實這件事情那當然你如果我可以理解尊重說海委會講說你要一步到位可能有一些困難但至少我們要知道有一些相關的規劃期程那既然是用附帶決議的方式是不是也把這一部分的相關規劃跟進度在附帶決議裡面做一個交代"},{"start":12077.503,"end":12078.744,"text":"二、繼續審查委員王美惠等16人擬具"},{"start":12101.328,"end":12101.608,"text":"韓國瑜等16人擬具"},{"start":12120.863,"end":12122.725,"text":"二、繼續審查委員王美惠等16人擬具"},{"start":12147.583,"end":12171.468,"text":"二、繼續審查委員王美惠等193人擬具這條跟委員報告就是說大概就是高度的跟院版一致都是幾乎就是13、13、13版本都一樣16版本都一樣這樣子"},{"start":12176.964,"end":12177.744,"text":"六、繼續審查委員王美惠等17人擬具"},{"start":12203.893,"end":12206.055,"text":"一、繼續審查委員王美惠等16人擬具〈海洋保育法草案〉案。"},{"start":12228.354,"end":12228.615,"text":"議員主席"},{"start":12237.5,"end":12240.402,"text":"主管機關為了促進海洋保育、海洋生物多樣性保護及永續利用,得自行或透過國際組織 進行國際合作,並對人民、民間團體"},{"start":12261.178,"end":12262.781,"text":"等16人擬具〈海洋保育法草案〉案"},{"start":12273.764,"end":12285.81,"text":"政府為促進海洋庇護區之劃捨應與漁業權人之商並取得其同意,受限制所生的損失應由中央主管機關寬列預算補償制。前項的補償辦法就是由主管機關會同有關機關定制。"},{"start":12296.001,"end":12319.917,"text":"好,謝謝我們的徐宜貞委員以及高金昭委所提出來的兩個修正動議大家還有沒有意見沒有意見我請主管單位來報告補償的部分可能就是在第二章回去那裡保留的條文裡面去處理放在這裡的那個體力"},{"start":12321.952,"end":12348.658,"text":"似乎不是在這裡。那這一條主要是講國際合作。對,只是談那個國際合作。所以我們高級委員那個跟原住民各族也進行國際合作的那個部分我們可以加進來。沒有啊,你的第18條有寫給予獎勵或補助。對啊,對啊,對啊。對,所以我想說。其實國際合作的部分。對對對,所以你既然。可以加進來。對啊,對啊,應該沒有特別意見吧。但是許委員的這個第二項的這個諮商同意權"},{"start":12349.638,"end":12351.239,"text":"一、繼續審查委員王美惠等17一、繼續審查委員王美惠等17一、繼續審查委員王美惠"},{"start":12372.074,"end":12399.922,"text":"所以主委您說的是哪一個部分?對我知道我說您說是在哪裡會有對我知道我說您說的是這個部分應該是會在哪個地方有就是第二章我們要談補償的時候放到第二章我們在另行我們另行再來討論就是說這個部分如果要處理的時候我們另行再來討論OK那就是在那我們就一併在第七條來這邊處理是嗎?"},{"start":12403.086,"end":12428.593,"text":"十四條十四條不一樣哦十四條十四條不一樣哦十四條其實你是針對就是保育跟調查方面所衍生的的這個補償所以要那個來我們看一下第十四條對你是針對保育跟各項的資源調查所衍生的補償"},{"start":12430.333,"end":12434.635,"text":"議員王美惠等17議員王美惠等17議員王美惠等17議員王美惠等17議員王美惠等17議員王美惠等17議員王美惠等17議員王美惠等17議員王美惠等17議員"},{"start":12455.114,"end":12456.074,"text":"二、繼續審查委員王美惠等16人擬具"},{"start":12484.38,"end":12486.821,"text":"三、繼續審查委員王美惠等16人擬具"},{"start":12510.003,"end":12512.105,"text":"三、繼續審查委員王美惠等17三、繼續審查委員王美惠等17三、繼續審查委員王美惠等17"},{"start":12531.152,"end":12532.232,"text":"參與國際交流活動給予獎勵或補助,加了一個原住民各族。"},{"start":12555.539,"end":12555.739,"text":"議員主席"},{"start":12580.524,"end":12594.87,"text":"主管機關會促進海洋保育、海洋生物多樣性保護及有序利用,得自行或透過國際組織、學術研究機構進行國際合作,並對人民或民間團體、原住民的各族參與國際交流活動,給予獎勵或補助。"},{"start":12598.471,"end":12599.432,"text":"二、繼續審查委員王美惠等17人擬具"},{"start":12620.368,"end":12642.316,"text":"主委對這個是我OK吧好那我們18條就照高薪召委就修正通過修正通過好那我們就修正通過了現在第19條312頁好那我們現在處理第19條第19條312頁"},{"start":12654.997,"end":12665.83,"text":"來,第19條的修正動議有高津叉委還有徐以貞委員原版的第18條那我的19條我的21條一樣也是會同"},{"start":12671.711,"end":12675.293,"text":"一、繼續審查委員王美惠等16人擬具〈海洋保育法草案〉案〈海洋保育法草案〉案〈海洋保育法草案〉"},{"start":12699.331,"end":12703.314,"text":"我們現在處理委員的提案。第326頁。我們就不理財納。"},{"start":12728.14,"end":12753.968,"text":"那大家因為沒有到場那我們就不予採納好不好好謝謝來各位分開327有委員的提案那委員沒有來我們也是不予採納好不好"},{"start":12757.958,"end":12772.831,"text":"三百二十七好,那我們就不予採納了好,現在我們處理台灣民眾黨第26條三百二十八頁"},{"start":12784.429,"end":12799.803,"text":"立法院第11屆第1會期內政委員會第17次全體委員會第17次全體委員會第17次全體委員會第17次全體委員會第17次全體委員會"},{"start":12812.059,"end":12827.226,"text":"好,那我們現在處理332頁第26條委員提案沒有來我們就不予採納,好那第20條333頁"},{"start":12835.454,"end":12836.655,"text":"二、繼續審查委員楊瓊瓔等27人擬具楊瓊瓔等17人擬具"},{"start":12855.09,"end":12882.909,"text":"我希望把這個法環降到新台幣一萬元以上20萬元以下然後另外就是漁業從業人物入海洋庇護區的核心區且無重大違規情勢經勸導使離者不處罰因為其實這個海洋保育法對於漁民的處罰其實比例相對偏高我可以舉個例來說以當時這個日月光高雄場頭拍這個"},{"start":12885.17,"end":12909.259,"text":"投牌廢水處罰的罰款也不過才60萬對照於日月光的營業額2013年是2198億他也不過罰個60萬對於漁民來說他辛苦工作了這麼久結果只是一不小心誤入就可能要被罰50萬所以我覺得不符合那個比例原則而且這樣對漁民的損害也相當"},{"start":12910.179,"end":12911.019,"text":"人擬具〈海洋保育法草案〉案"},{"start":12933.869,"end":12963.052,"text":"是,跟委員報告就是說我們總體在罰則的這一章呢我們有看到委員們體恤比較弱勢的違法的對象那也有考慮到就是說我們的上限也要顧及有時候是比較大型的企業所以我們每一條都有下修他的罰則的地板然後也有提高他的天花板"},{"start":12963.786,"end":12970.194,"text":"那如果逐條來看我們這一條的話我們是下修到五萬就是"},{"start":12972.346,"end":12973.487,"text":"人擬具〈海洋保育法草案〉案〈海洋保育法草案〉案"},{"start":12997.998,"end":13013.517,"text":"如果一而再再而三每一次全部都不罰的話我們會考量到我們的執法的量能跟陸域不一樣海上的執法跟陸域的執法不同陸域的執法它的見景率是非常高的"},{"start":13014.238,"end":13016.36,"text":"三、繼續審查委員王美惠等16人擬具"},{"start":13030.994,"end":13050.884,"text":"審查委員王美惠等17審查委員王美惠等19審查委員王美惠等19審查委員王美惠等19審查委員王美惠等19審查委員王美惠等19審查委員王美惠等19審查委員王美惠等19審查委員王美惠等19審查委員王美惠等19審查委員王美惠等19審查委員王美惠等19審查委員王美惠等19審查委員王美惠等19審查委員王美惠等19審查委員王美惠等19審查委員王美惠等19審查委員王美惠等19審查委員王美惠等19審查委員王美惠等19審查委"},{"start":13053.783,"end":13077.423,"text":"好 謝謝 我們請李博義委員對 我是其實蠻贊同徐宇峥委員的說法就是漁民如果誤入的話應該要給他機會但是我們能不能現在就做一些修正看怎麼樣可以大家接受的方式另外2013年日月關被高雄市政府因為水污法罰了60萬但另外高雄市政府環保局是用不當得利跟他求償一役"},{"start":13078.584,"end":13083.349,"text":"所以說這個法則跟這個歷史的還原我們還是在這裡說明一下。謝謝。"},{"start":13088.222,"end":13092.446,"text":"二、繼續審查委員李柏映等16人擬具〈海洋保育法草案〉案。"},{"start":13115.723,"end":13120.587,"text":"三、繼續審查委員王美惠等17三、繼續審查委員王美惠等17三、繼續審查委員王美惠等17三、繼續審查委員王美惠等17三、繼續審查委員王美惠等17三、繼續審查委員王美惠等17三、繼續審查委員王美惠等17"},{"start":13142.065,"end":13162.872,"text":"所以我是覺得就是誤入其實就是一個,它就是不小的概念等一下我有問題主席,現在我覺得大家都保護移民啦,但是像剛才徐議長委員說的說移民不會跳地,經常去擁擠,但是你如果經常有這個問題也要煩耶"},{"start":13167.728,"end":13168.669,"text":"五、繼續審查委員王美惠等16人擬具〈海洋保育法草案〉案。"},{"start":13188.137,"end":13210.792,"text":"我覺得站在民意代表的立場都有看到弱勢的那些人跟你們在這邊是怕說每天每天有人破壞沒辦法去勤奮也沒辦法但是你要收一個大家都能共識的東西不要說都沒有跟我們相同的說你要動作才能夠看台這樣也不好以上"},{"start":13213.613,"end":13239.42,"text":"所以我同意美惠委員講的這個文字看怎麼樣就是說總不能每一次因為他這個談到的是核心區嘛核心區啦所以可是比較重要一點所以呢美惠委員說就怕就是有心的人我們當然不會把愚民當作是這個小偷但是有心的人我們還是所以主委您看看這個文字上要怎麼修可以嗎好謝謝"},{"start":13241.227,"end":13266.242,"text":"我們就變成先保留我們再來研議看看怎麼設計好不好好原則上方向我們瞭解我們會朝向這裡來規劃設置我們會請法務部門先處理文字修訂好再讓大家來看第二十條保留好那現在我們處理第二十一條337頁"},{"start":13271.288,"end":13294.582,"text":"議員議員議員議員議員議員議員議員議員議員議員"},{"start":13294.722,"end":13317.197,"text":"然後政院的版本是未經許可從事如果這些禁止行為的時候要處刑來避6萬以上30元以下如果按照剛剛海委會有提到的第9條原住民基本法的規定的話那對於傳統文化基於生活所需的利用行為應該就不在這個範圍之內好不好這個就是這個有基於剛剛"},{"start":13323.242,"end":13343.876,"text":"剛剛這個主委有提了尊重到原住民族的這個生活的部分所以以上就是提這個建議是不是按照我的修正版本的第23條後面有寫但是原住民基於傳統文化既以生活所需的利用的行為不再實現我再講一次這是緩鬆區好 謝謝"},{"start":13346.465,"end":13347.766,"text":"二、繼續審查委員王美惠等16人擬具"},{"start":13375.35,"end":13375.971,"text":"人擬具〈海洋保育法草案〉案。"},{"start":13389.677,"end":13405.876,"text":"有關於下修到哪裡我們是建議說下修到3萬因為違法行為有時候其實他一做就很嚴重的比如說他不當補勞那結果我罰幾千塊"},{"start":13409.539,"end":13435.874,"text":"所以我們認為說我們往下修但是要修到一個真的可以惡煮可以惡煮嚴重的違法行為各種違法行為為領域所以我們是建議說下修成為3萬然後上線的話我們採委員們大概的意見就是上線的天花板我們是採120萬元這樣來建議"},{"start":13439.175,"end":13439.596,"text":"三、繼續審查委員王美惠"},{"start":13460.354,"end":13484.568,"text":"現在主委回答的是只有徐宇珍委員的這個金額的不同但是對於我的並沒有說明就是原住民藉由傳統文化藉由生活所需利用的行為不在此限你們接受這個部分嗎這個部分我們是不是回到那個保育計畫裡面就允許的時候這裡就不會罰對那邊如果是徐育珍的時候保育計畫是在第幾條不好意思"},{"start":13485.268,"end":13488.009,"text":"立法院第11屆第1會期內政委員會第11屆第2會期內政委員王美惠等16人擬具"},{"start":13505.455,"end":13507.017,"text":"二、繼續審查委員王美惠等16人擬具〈海洋保育法草案〉案。"},{"start":13521.255,"end":13528.017,"text":"我再解釋給你聽我公告說你聽這個水污法只能裁罰到60萬最高啦所以當時這個環保局就是用不當得利來跟他索賠但這跟我們不當當場委員會的狀況是一樣的我們面對的是財團的律師啦"},{"start":13540.681,"end":13557.835,"text":"所以說面對財團的律師當初不但做了停工那也做了這個懲罰之後那日月光才有相關的改善改善是我們要的案做一項說明跟本法無關對我只是剛剛來謝謝李博義我其實就在因為剛剛李博義委員有一些說明還原真相好謝謝"},{"start":13564.199,"end":13587.033,"text":"謝謝主席本期想請教主委因為這一個法則它上面有寫未經許可所以有很多東西是可以申請的對嗎所以這一塊你可能要說明清楚一點可以啊我們之所以這樣寫其實就是說除了一些不行以外其它是可以的那剛剛高經委員講的那原住民的他如果是一些祭典或什麼他們的"},{"start":13588.875,"end":13611.913,"text":"對,所以我們就申請過8條。不需要,就是我們到第8條去把它當作是許可項目。這裡就不必寫了。對,對,對,對。那如果這樣的話,如果說高級委員召委同意我們是第8條處理,那這裡就不需要保留。我們只需要把那個金額有共識,其實就可以過啊。"},{"start":13617.698,"end":13634.084,"text":"繼而是徐宇珍委員我是生活記憶這個受限制的部分所以我同意如果我的部分回到第8條的話我同意所以我現在是回過頭來要講金額就是說我們本來上限也是低的"},{"start":13634.984,"end":13636.845,"text":"三、繼續審查委員王美惠等17三、繼續審查委員王美惠等17"},{"start":13651.912,"end":13654.213,"text":"議員王美惠等17議員王美惠等17議員王美惠等17"},{"start":13668.198,"end":13696.178,"text":"對其實當然我想違法的行為當然該罰啦但是我是覺得你要依照比例原則因為對於漁民來說他並不是財團動不動就是用這麼高的法則而且本來院版才好像只有30現在你還要參考另外的版本提高我覺得這已經對於漁民真的是非常他本來的你本來的院版漁民就已經反彈很大了所以那部分我們恢復為院版那跟我們報告我覺得院版還是偏高啦因為我覺得還是要符合比例原則因為對於漁民的收入來說"},{"start":13697.439,"end":13721.63,"text":"委員王美惠委員主席,在這裡我覺得她未經許可就是你知道這個地方又不能進去啦你又要進去當然這個是指說法環嘛我現在的意思就是說這都知道她的這個區域已經是不能進去,你又要進去因為我覺得這個法框"},{"start":13724.051,"end":13727.095,"text":"三、繼續審查委員王美惠等17三、繼續審查委員王美惠等17"},{"start":13739.585,"end":13763.727,"text":"好謝謝這樣我建議這樣好不好儲新台那個剛剛主委也說嘛齁儲新台幣3萬元以上你們的願板是30萬元以下嘛對不對對啊因為您剛剛講到要120萬就嚇死大家了齁所以是不是則正話儲新台幣3萬元以上然後30元以下30萬元以下不要120萬元"},{"start":13765.648,"end":13769.031,"text":"三、繼續審查委員王美惠等17三、繼續審查委員王美惠等17三、繼續審查委員王美惠等17"},{"start":13796.607,"end":13813.328,"text":"愚民不會罰等一下等一下委員我們請那個等一下我們請那個署長說明一下好不好因為我們有一個我們有一個緩衝區免申請的條款來等一下等一下等一下我再說一下可不可以你具體的說明一下"},{"start":13813.829,"end":13836.131,"text":"因為我們現在是聚焦徐委員聚焦在漁船、漁民當然我們也是希望漁民的部分有個機會不要罰太高不要罰太高第一點但是面對惡意的比如說啦抽砂船比如說其他哪一些船舶必須要重罰的可不可以請主委也說明一下來讓大家知道有大概有哪一些樣台"},{"start":13837.532,"end":13857.197,"text":"在裁罰基準的時候可以去處理這些比例的問題還有就是行政罰罰對於弱勢者本來就可以打折這個等一下我們請有時候是其實是罰到二分之一喔那是行政罰罰就有的喔都可以試用喔所以我們是不是請那個謝副來說明一下"},{"start":13859.276,"end":13875.011,"text":"好 我們留心聽在說明之前我覺得你們還有會要說明就直接很具體比如說你講說審核 審酌的各委員的版本你認為上下120萬什麼樣的行為會罰120萬嘛你就講的比較清楚一點嘛因為漁民擔心的是你萬一沒有明確說明之後聽說抽殺"},{"start":13876.811,"end":13877.592,"text":"三、繼續審查委員王美惠等17三、繼續審查委員王美惠等17"},{"start":13899.895,"end":13908.048,"text":"所以你待會 你們現在做一下說明然後如果有裁判基準的時候如果你現在拿得出來是比較容易過關的免得大家在這邊沒完沒了好不好我表達一下意見謝謝"},{"start":13910.669,"end":13936.367,"text":"不過這邊剛剛跟許委員提到就是說其實我們前面在緩衝區的時候針對才不海洋生物就是剛剛提到跟漁民有關係的部分經過主管機關這邊其實同意已經就免申請許可那換句話說其實緩衝區就是希望我們在核心區高度管制之後讓漁民可以在緩衝區享受那些溢出效應所以目前在緩衝區跟永續利用區對於漁民的限制是非常少的"},{"start":13936.767,"end":13959.377,"text":"那換句話說,漁民會因為誤入而處罰,基本上其實情況應該是很少的,或者說再有去理由去審問。第十條。第十條就有提到說,符合中央主管機關公告,就那時候我們會會商漁業署去公告哪一些其實已經得到許可的可以繼續持續作業。"},{"start":13960.762,"end":13983.677,"text":"因為其實這樣的法令定定都相對模糊啦那就像剛剛牛委員也特別提到你就是你到底怎麼樣的規範才你因為我知道主委的意思就是說可能是針對惡意的比如說抽砂船可是問題是你同時也規範到一些這個弱勢的漁民那到底要怎麼樣確定清楚這個部分我覺得這樣否則的話大家一看到法環"},{"start":13988.3,"end":13992.503,"text":"二、繼續審查委員王美惠等17人擬具〈海洋保育法草案〉案〈海洋保育法草案〉案〈海洋保育法草案〉"},{"start":14024.48,"end":14038.611,"text":"二、繼續審查委員王美惠等17二、繼續審查委員王美惠等17二、繼續審查委員王美惠等17二、繼續審查委員王美惠等17二、繼續審查委員王美惠等17二、繼續審查委員"},{"start":14047.714,"end":14061.385,"text":"三萬以上、三十萬以下的罰款。第二十二條行政委員是三千以上、五萬以下。主席。"},{"start":14072.762,"end":14075.185,"text":"主席,這條我認為違反第11條內的規定,還有13條第一項公告的數項出發新代表5萬至30萬的法官本席領委院辦的3萬"},{"start":14093.283,"end":14100.166,"text":"議員五、繼續審查委員王美惠等15人擬具議員王美惠等17議員王美惠等17議員王美惠等17議員王美惠等17議員王美惠等17"},{"start":14109.094,"end":14126.552,"text":"每天每天都發生這個問題,根本就都沒有前提的作用。我覺得要去看這個法官,因為我覺得這個我有一點點意見,來請主委你回答一下。好來,來我們主管單位回答一下。"},{"start":14130.247,"end":14149.912,"text":"在永續利用區其實很大的範疇都是在允許範圍了捕撈生物的這個部分所以會去觸法而受罰的就多半都已經是違法的樣態是比較嚴重的部分"},{"start":14153.02,"end":14156.663,"text":"二、繼續審查委員王美惠等17二、繼續審查委員王美惠等17二、繼續審查委員王美惠"},{"start":14177.475,"end":14201.885,"text":"所以是不是等這個樣態就是確定之後有列出來了,文字上有列出來第11條已經列清楚了,就是我剛剛唸的樣態啊樣態就是我剛剛唸的啊因為違反的就是那些事啊就我禁止你做這些事,你又做那些事那哪些事呢?就是我剛剛唸的這些事那這些都不是漁民會做的事所以這個不是在罰他們這不是壞漁民的啦,是壞壞一個人的啦"},{"start":14206.77,"end":14215.461,"text":"主委那這條罰款的這部分是不是也要保留?"},{"start":14223.671,"end":14236.763,"text":"我們當然是希望能夠通過啦,因為法制限平衡...因為我覺得移民要保護自己的法律,你也要保護啊你移民保護不正確,要不然這是惡劣的,這樣都不需要修養、研發嘛"},{"start":14242.418,"end":14244.799,"text":"三、繼續審查委員王美惠等16人擬具〈海洋保育法草案案〉案〉第二十二條我們先保留"},{"start":14271.467,"end":14298.204,"text":"來現在進行23條大概347頁23條有我們習以珍委員楊瓊瑛委員的修正東西楊瓊瑛沒來我們就不處理我想這跟前面幾條一樣所以等一下就一起來那個放"},{"start":14301.803,"end":14309.83,"text":"二、繼續審查委員楊瓊瓔等16人擬具〈海洋保育法草案〉案〈海洋保育法草案〉案〈海洋保育法草案〉"},{"start":14340.2,"end":14350.249,"text":"主席羅廷偉麻煩你,我也有提案沒有啦,是提案,很多提案沒有,因為是提案,現在是修正動議"},{"start":14357.718,"end":14378.851,"text":"二十四條的行為比較不是愚民的行為,比較會是宗教的行為啦,譬如說就是去放生還有原住民的部分啦,所以抱歉我在6月24條,也就是我的修正動議的第26條,那個自行辦理婦孕的措施者"},{"start":14379.651,"end":14380.172,"text":"三、繼續審查委員王美惠等16人擬具"},{"start":14404.772,"end":14408.617,"text":"這個部分主委有意見的話我們還是回到那個第8條那邊來去討論好 謝謝"},{"start":14413.656,"end":14438.613,"text":"報告委員就是說差別就是高金委員說的這個部分要不要列入這個我們會同意那另外所以剩下的就是徐委員的3萬跟我們院版的5萬對那這個就是放生行為啦那這個部分我們尊重委員會放生的行為我們大概最嚴重的要罰3萬還是5萬我們比較尊重委員"},{"start":14439.926,"end":14463.284,"text":"好 那就取這個徐宇峥委員版本跟我的版本好 然後把它列為文字好嗎 那聽問你有在這一條裡面嗎沒有 好 OK但是我尊重這個高金委員跟徐宇峥委員謝謝 所以政院版的第24條那個我的修正版本的26條跟徐宇峥委員的修正版本的部分文字我們把它"},{"start":14463.884,"end":14466.905,"text":"人擬具〈海洋保育法草案案〉案。"},{"start":14493.412,"end":14496.414,"text":"議員王美惠等17議員王美惠等17議員王美惠等17議員王美惠等17議員王美惠等17"},{"start":14522.509,"end":14523.73,"text":"三、繼續審查委員王美惠等16人擬具"},{"start":14538.579,"end":14552.43,"text":"對阿 跟你說真的去放生 你看你那裡一般姿勢嘛呢不過這一條是不是他寫自行辦理復育嘛 那就是放生嗎?對 他是復育跟放生一樣嗎?"},{"start":14556.829,"end":14574.052,"text":"你的富裕跟放生有沒有一樣?因為現在美惠委員,其實我也同意他啦,如果放生的話,這件事不太願意啦。放生者都認為他們是富裕啦,他包含在那個...對,那所以這個人質你要怎麼...美惠委員擔心的就是放生啦,而且我們以...富裕的時候,大家都在你介紹說,我看他這樣要...亂丟啦"},{"start":14581.834,"end":14604.839,"text":"並且我們會罰的是下列具體行為請委員看到19條我們有寫出來這罰1萬到3萬就是違反這一條嘛那違反這一條他的作為是人工富裕設施投放海洋動物的培育或野放所以都放在裡面啦富裕跟"},{"start":14605.919,"end":14609.621,"text":"三、繼續審查委員王美惠等17三、繼續審查委員王美惠等17三、繼續審查委員王美惠等17"},{"start":14635.814,"end":14637.595,"text":"三、繼續審查委員王美惠等17三、繼續審查委員王美惠等17三、繼續審查委員王美惠"},{"start":14663.137,"end":14678.366,"text":"所以野放應該要重罰自行辦理富裕他是有最後查到以後是可以對環境是有幫助的那就算了那就一到三萬那我覺得還可以野放完全跟富裕是不能夠相提並論的"},{"start":14681.081,"end":14684.483,"text":"三、繼續審查委員王美惠等17三、繼續審查委員王美惠等17"},{"start":14713.044,"end":14735.216,"text":"另外請教主委,就是說如果他捕獲到那種海歸,他必須要再也放回去嗎?那個就不算嘛,對不對?對,所以說這個部分,大概我的意思是指這個部分。對,這個不算。那如果這樣的話,我們能不能就維持願版,就是上限是五萬,免得有的委員認為……"},{"start":14737.256,"end":14761.225,"text":"五萬也是活動的一個成本借一個場地也差不多三萬五萬啊我們這幾年為了這野放的事情媒體不斷的報導我很多的民眾對這個野放實在是沒辦法接受你在對的地方來做放生我們叫做富裕我可以接受你在錯的地方放錯的物種導致"},{"start":14762.225,"end":14774.932,"text":"一放下去馬上翻白肚的也有一放下去馬上造成環境的這個失衡的也有外來種的清洗也有所以我覺得3到5萬對不起我都覺得不夠"},{"start":14776.431,"end":14795.218,"text":"所以錯誤的野放跟富裕這是兩回事我們支持富裕所以不小心沒申請富裕一到三萬可以接受但是所謂的野放不管是小心跟不小心我們都應該要重罰因為它已經大大影響到整個生態主委是不是那個富裕三公一一萬一三萬"},{"start":14800.46,"end":14808.024,"text":"議員王美惠等17議員王美惠等17議員王美惠等17議員王美惠等17議員王美惠等17"},{"start":14829.012,"end":14844.943,"text":"三、繼續審查委員王美惠等17三、繼續審查委員王美惠等17三、繼續審查委員王美惠等17三、繼續審查委員王美惠等17三、繼續審查委員王美惠等17"},{"start":14860.157,"end":14861.699,"text":"委員王美惠等16人擬具"},{"start":14868.427,"end":14880.417,"text":"美惠所講的5萬至10萬,大家有沒有意見?我講不一定啦,不然我們要折衷一個...好,沒意見啦,你也看我那年金有多少到今天這天,我請你去美惠委員會長的版本是多少?10萬,10萬最下限,5萬以上,5萬以上以10萬以下。好,我講你過去你不要給我加2萬。"},{"start":14894.867,"end":14895.688,"text":"五、繼續審查委員王美惠等15"},{"start":14925.707,"end":14948.159,"text":"五到十五喔五萬以上十五以下你是要跟他你是覺得我剛剛稱讚他你也想被稱讚對不對五到十五好啦好啦好啦可以吧五到十五好啊好啦這樣好了這樣好了要做生意的人要賺這個沒良心的人好那我們就五到十五好不好"},{"start":14948.519,"end":14952.4,"text":"二、繼續審查委員王美惠等16人擬具〈海洋保育法草案〉案〈海洋保育法草案〉"},{"start":14982.125,"end":15006.145,"text":"報告主席政院版的第25條是我的修正動物第27條在27條裡面我特別講到就是前項海洋保育的講習課程就是應該要包含原住民族的知識以及原住民族生物多樣性的課程那目前委員會裡面其實對於我剛剛還是講到我們的族人在這邊生活了6000"},{"start":15007.706,"end":15034.223,"text":"問你以上我們有非常豐富的知識我們的海洋民族他對於保護包括阿米族包括達烏族他對於保護海洋的這些其實他有非常豐富的知識跟他的實際的經驗所以在我們講海洋保育講習課程的時候是不是也應該要把原住民族的知識還有我們的生物多樣性的了解也放在課程裡面我想這個應該不影響謝謝"},{"start":15036.104,"end":15053.607,"text":"好謝謝我們高金委員提出的修正動議還有我們習以珍委員提出的修正動議當然楊瓊瓔委員不在我們就不討論針對第25條的部分我是就本來要除以新台幣3000至15000條降到2000至10000元以下的罰款請主管單位"},{"start":15065.631,"end":15071.796,"text":"議員王美惠等17議員王美惠等17"},{"start":15082.145,"end":15083.286,"text":"徐宇貞委員新台幣2000-10000元,院版3000元。"},{"start":15113.015,"end":15117.96,"text":"三、繼續審查委員王美惠等16人擬具〈海洋保育法草案〉案。"},{"start":15135.675,"end":15136.175,"text":"請審查委員王美惠等17"},{"start":15167.602,"end":15190.962,"text":"主席還有各位委員其實剛剛討論是一連串是有關行政罰款的金額的部分有關的部分我來這邊做一個報告跟說明首先剛剛主委提到的2000元的罰款的部分會不會變成不罰其實在行政法裡面是規定如果你的罰款最高限額是三千元以下的時候如果情節輕微的時候其實主管金額有個裁量權我可以選擇不罰"},{"start":15192.824,"end":15209.145,"text":"這是在違罪不舉的一個行政法法上的一個特殊的規定今天動的是最低限所以不會落到這個規範裡面去那另外其實我剛剛在委員們在討論法案進行的時候其實就有想要講也藉著機會再談一下就是說"},{"start":15209.995,"end":15236.146,"text":"其實在院版的草案裡面其實整個罰則規定其實是有它的法律位階的它是從重到輕去排列那我看到委員們也都發表了很多高見我都很佩服那有作用於愚民的有作用於放任行為的、有惡害性的有調高的、有降低的那我這邊只是在也本於全責在提醒各位大院的各位委員就是說"},{"start":15237.707,"end":15259.407,"text":"從整個的違法性從核心區到緩衝區到永續利用區乃至於後面的有關違反行政調查到後面的這些規範行為它行為的惡性其實是不同的那必須是前重後輕不要調到最後我很擔心的是後重前輕就是說我到海邊去放一個復育設施比如說我看到這邊的海星很少"},{"start":15259.667,"end":15268.871,"text":"二、繼續審查委員王美惠等17二、繼續審查委員王美惠等17二、繼續審查委員王美惠等17二、繼續審查委員王美惠等17二、繼續審查委員王美惠等17二、繼續審查委員王美惠等17二、繼續審查委員王美惠等17二、繼續審查委員王美惠等17二、繼續審查委員王美惠等17二、繼續審查委員王美惠等17二、繼續審查委員"},{"start":15294.763,"end":15302.97,"text":"三、繼續審查委員王美惠等17三、繼續審查委員王美惠等17三、繼續審查委員王美惠"},{"start":15320.003,"end":15321.503,"text":"三、繼續審查委員王美惠等17三、繼續審查委員王美惠等17"},{"start":15348.719,"end":15359.483,"text":"來,大家的意見呢?要3000嗎?3000到10000?那就3000到10000嘛。好,那第25條我們就修正通過了。好,謝謝。好,那現在我們進行26條。來,請翻開374頁。"},{"start":15380.567,"end":15395.17,"text":"人擬具楊瓊瓔等26人擬具楊瓊瓔等26人擬具楊瓔瓔等26人擬具楊瓔瓔等26人擬具楊瓔瓔等26人擬具楊瓔瓔等26人擬具楊瓔瓔等26人擬具楊瓔瓔等26人擬具楊瓔瓔等26人擬具楊瓔瓔等26人擬具楊瓔瓔等26人擬具楊瓔瓔等26人擬具楊瓔瓔等26人擬具楊瓔瓔等26人擬具楊瓔瓔等26人擬具楊瓔瓔等26"},{"start":15408.733,"end":15413.577,"text":"三、繼續審查委員王美惠等17人擬具〈海洋保育法草案〉案〉"},{"start":15436.918,"end":15437.859,"text":"來我們第五章張銘請翻開383頁"},{"start":15453.647,"end":15463.931,"text":"主席沒意見啦。好,那我意見我們就照行政院的提案張明通過。好,現在我們處理27條,他要發牌385頁。來修正動議有習新穎委員,還有我們羅廷偉委員。"},{"start":15477.014,"end":15501.364,"text":"那楊瓊瓔委員不在我們就不處理了。好。好。那我們樓庭委。好。來歡迎。謝謝。我想行政院版的第27條主動提出這個公民的訴訟條款是非常進步的一個做法。應該給予肯定但建議將發動的主體的一個受害人民與公益團體改為人民與公益團體更為完備。"},{"start":15504.439,"end":15522.855,"text":"時務中經驗在行政法院的程序中經常有針對訴訟當事人事格的一個相關證認,所以想要證明人民是否有所受害,需耗司法資源。我想這個部分應該改成人民,而不是受害人。好,謝謝。再來我們請我們習先生委員。"},{"start":15525.218,"end":15544.154,"text":"謝謝主席本席的修正動議非常簡單就是因為我們第27條是公民訴訟之立法所以我們應該有協助人民提起訴訟並且明確化其主張內容的機制所以在27條第一項有提到"},{"start":15545.816,"end":15567.567,"text":"這個受害人民或是剛剛庭委說的人民或公益團體他得序名疏於執行之具體內容以書面告知主管機關所以本席修正動議希望說書面告知的格式能夠由中央主管機關來匯商有關機關公告之我想這應該很OK吧很簡單以上謝謝"},{"start":15574.076,"end":15602.156,"text":"好謝謝我們審議委員那請我們主管單位回覆好不好各位委員報告就是說如果要擴大到所有的人民都來提公民訴訟的話我們是會比較認為說大概公民訴訟是在政府待遇行使職權的時候產生兩個影響一個影響是影響公共利益"},{"start":15602.856,"end":15604.478,"text":"三、繼續審查委員王美惠等17三、繼續審查委員王美惠等17"},{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,謝謝!大家辛苦了!大家辛苦了!昨天大家都很辛苦!謝謝!好,謝謝!辛苦了!"},{"start":16611.905,"end":16615.748,"text":"三、繼續審查委員王美惠等17人擬具〈海洋保育法草案〉案。"},{"start":16634.141,"end":16636.383,"text":"等16人擬具〈海洋保育法草案〉案。"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}