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續三次維持基準利率在2%不變，也會推出新的房市管制措施，到今年2月底，央行也已經進行專案金檢，總共170次。所以請問央行，在進行七次的調整選擇性信用管制的措施後，現在暫時沒有新的管制措施，這是否意味說央行已經認為國內的房價及房市的交易已經達到央行可以接受的平穩狀況？"],["楊總裁金龍：我們在報告裡面有談到，基本上，第一個就是預期心裡是有下來了，第二個，我們金融機構放款給不動產的集中度慢慢地在下來了，從三十七點多降下來了。另外，給無自用住宅的資源慢慢在上升了，這個有達到我們初步的……"],["林委員思銘：有平穩的效果。"],["楊總裁金龍：對。但是目前我們有兩個方向，第一個，因為在去年8月的時候，我們希望他們在一年之內做資源的調整，這個我們每季都會去……"],["林委員思銘：是，總裁，我問你最後的結論，因為現在你說已經達到平穩的效果，所以未來有沒有可能會有第八次的信用管制措施？"],["楊總裁金龍：我們滾動式檢討。"],["林委員思銘：滾動式檢討？"],["楊總裁金龍：我們滾動式檢討 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