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跟各位報告就是一般就是說他檢測的時候比如說這個橋面的橋面板或是蹲柱或者是護欄他有一些是他的橋梁的一個構建要做這個更換那如果說比較嚴重的部分其實是整橋做改建"},{"start":3245.271,"end":3245.713,"text":"這101座當中屬於哪一類的比較多?"},{"start":3257.501,"end":3274.093,"text":"年久失修或者地震延期或者鋼筋扭弱是不是我們把因為其實是有各類的原因不過就是說局長我會不為難你啦我跟你講我會不為難你啦所以我也要拜託我們黃師長這是你監督的業務我要拜託把這101座不是補錢給他們去做檢修"},{"start":3284.58,"end":3313.834,"text":"也不是要知道這跟醫生看病一樣啊你不要猛開藥但是病情不知道所以這些不要說101座今年地震以後我就用3年的人氣預算來補助他們但是結果監督單位以及主管單位通通不知道那就沒有意義沒有意義就是表面上去做檢修補強工作但是原因不知道"},{"start":3314.474,"end":3334.255,"text":"那這個我說實在特別提醒黃師長還有我們陳正智還有我們主管的這些單位我們要把問題找出來好 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花蓮縣然後部分有些應該在台東這樣子好 那本席就直接建議啦好不好因為這個地震啊還那麼大型的地震是全台各縣市的話其實都有受到這個影響"},{"start":3936.783,"end":3955.273,"text":"包括看到的震度﹐不管是花蓮﹐包括宜蘭﹐包括南投也好﹐台中甚至苗栗﹐或是包括雲林跟嘉義﹐其他震度其實有時候﹐我們看到這個數據來講﹐都是非常強的﹐所以我會本期在這裡建議﹐交通部要針對更多的縣市的橋梁﹐"},{"start":3956.494,"end":3977.611,"text":"再做一個更通盤的一個檢討因為我就相信當然說花蓮一定是首當其衝這是主要的鎮養但是像南投的話我相信在山區的許多橋梁或在南投的許多的橋梁其實都有可能因為這樣受到影響所以我是覺得說交通部其實應該要針對這個來去做一個擴大的通盤檢討還是再向交通委員會報告好不好"},{"start":3978.711,"end":4005.565,"text":"問題我想我們請兩個局就朝這個方向來做處理OK那一個月之內一個月後跟交通委員會這邊做一個書面回報啦好不好書面回報說我們因為有做了哪些因為有些特別檢查還是需要時間然後做了哪些然後什麼時候大概會辦完辦完畢好不好好OK那市長您同樣對於交通的業務及事務是非常的熟悉那本期在這裡也想要再追蹤一個案子的進度"},{"start":4006.405,"end":4025.632,"text":"上次我跟王宏威委員有針對高鐵的這個公安事件跟這個酒駕的這個檢測那時候是你也知道也在質詢團那時候在財政委員會聯席的時候有提到那想要請教目前的這個檢討報告交通部對於高鐵那這個重大的有公安危機的部分那結果如何因為就4月開始到現在從那時候記者會再跟市長您提到的話也過了兩個禮拜了因為都快過520了"},{"start":4036.201,"end":4053.777,"text":"跟委員報告我們在5月3號就當天執行了相關的檢查作業根據鐵路法第41條的規定那檢查報告也已經出來我們要求高鐵公司就這個霧電的這個情形修正他的作業程序跟規範"},{"start":4055.233,"end":4078.379,"text":"那這個部分大概是我們主要的一個要求至於執行的這個部分我們經過了解當天確實是有這樣的一個情況那要求高鐵公司必須要加強現場的一些確認跟督導的作業那我還想說這個還是盡量讓社會周知一下交通部的後續的這個處理狀況是 我們檢查的結果會公告在我們的網站上面"},{"start":4078.459,"end":4094.645,"text":"OK好那最後本期還是要針對在上個禮拜有發生一個婦人她在過斑馬線道路的時候她原廠那時候是在禮儀上結果到最後她不小心滑倒還就被車輾過去那到最後不管是在網路上或是專家學院有討論"},{"start":4095.865,"end":4117.192,"text":"在目前的斑馬線的抗滑係數可能因為時間久了所以到最後他也會讓路人在行進間的時候就滑倒所以那個夫人滑倒的剛好有車就扭過去造成這起悲劇那其實我在想在這個時候通常都是可以避免的所以本席想要就教說在目前的這個六都的抗滑係數的這種在標線上"},{"start":4119.833,"end":4126.239,"text":"那以及說在非六都的部分在這個抗滑係數這個標線的要求目前的情況是怎麼樣?"},{"start":4131.088,"end":4155.486,"text":"跟委員報告就是交通工程規範裡面就是說這個抗寒係數BPM要至少45以上那我自己審到的部分我們要求就是比較嚴格我們要求到55以上那這個部分的話是不是就是說他在這個施作比較久以後抗寒係數降低的部分我想我們會再要求各地方政府因為很多的這個市區路段的路口的行川線那個部分是屬於地方政府在管養的"},{"start":4156.647,"end":4159.368,"text":"規範是全國一致的,只是說因為在這個市區道路不管六都跟非六都市區道路的這一個相關的這個標線的話是屬於地方政府所主管的"},{"start":4179.117,"end":4200.946,"text":"審到的部分我們自己有要求要更嚴格的標準那本期這邊還是建議就是說第一就是在那一期的交通事件上其實是可以避免的因為時間久了標籤導致富人滑倒到時候被免過的悲劇其實是可以避免的所以這也涉及到有沒有可能到時候變成有國賠的問題如果他超過這個系數的時間那如果他是不合這個規定的"},{"start":4202.347,"end":4202.988,"text":"現在請蔡奇昌委員發言"},{"start":4240.645,"end":4265.68,"text":"謝謝主席請陳政務次長請陳次長委員好次長早安早次長今天本席有兩個議題想要就教於次長第一個我想這麼多年來本席極力在爭取那個大安溪跟大甲溪橋的改建"},{"start":4266.681,"end":4286.898,"text":"那這兩個橋其實都已經到了應該要改建的這個年限或者這個狀況所以我們從這個104年開始會刊一路到今天那公路局的同仁也多次在我的辦公室會議室服務處我們都開過現場的會刊也做過相關的協調會議那本來預計116年"},{"start":4293.743,"end":4309.573,"text":"我們就可以來完工現在看起來因為包括物價上漲、缺工等等一大堆的問題所以應該目前最新的進度是118年那預估到118年請問市長這個預算上面你覺得有沒有問題因為我看起來總預算大概要60億吧70幾億"},{"start":4324.717,"end":4330.178,"text":"有沒有問題預算上面確實就是說當初原預估的預算那因為整個設計設計之後大概包括這個整個原物料的一個一個這個提升成本的提升所以我們現在設計之後的這個兩座橋樑的這個預估費用是72億多從60億變70幾億"},{"start":4347.763,"end":4369.808,"text":"那如果說因為局裡面的話是通案的計畫是這個省道改善計畫如果放在這邊的話當然就會影響到其他的省道的一個改善沒有錯所以我們是設計完之後的話就是這個經費可能在省改的計畫如果說要放在這邊的話也希望行政院就是說可以把我們的省改計畫規模再擴大所以這個部分我想我們會設計之後會提報這個經費的額度來跟行政院爭取局長我想"},{"start":4378.171,"end":4394.125,"text":"這個你很清楚就是說我擔心的跟你其實想像的是一樣啦就大概預算因為總共從60億變70幾億如果用省到這個改省改的預算的話那我擔心的就是你的預算規模如果不夠大他會排擠到其他嗎"},{"start":4394.986,"end":4414.046,"text":"那第二個所以我今天也做了一個臨時提案嘛就是說建請可不可以把這個大安溪跟大甲溪橋的改建列一個專案這是兩條路啦當然這兩條路都要行政院啦所以本席提案是建請你們去做評估看哪一個方法是比較好"},{"start":4414.446,"end":4439.166,"text":"是擴大這個審改預算的規模來把大安溪大安溪橋做好還是另外一條路但是本席絕對不會走第三條路就是我請你放心我絕對不會寫一個這個條例我絕對不會寫一個大甲溪大安溪改建條例這一點是我跟國民黨最大的不同我都我從當副院長開始我循規蹈矩"},{"start":4440.083,"end":4456.605,"text":"依照權力分立的原則依照國家重大建設你們也要相關進行評估從可行性評估一路研議然後開始一直做做到現在你們大概10成都抓出來了然後也可以做了都沒有問題現在剩下錢"},{"start":4457.566,"end":4480.391,"text":"那錢呢怎麼來立法院委員不可以增加你們的預算所以我只能提一個建請案就我的臨時提了一個建請案建請什麼事情建請你們要想辦法要嘛行政要做一個決定把審改的預算規模擴大或者大甲系大安系就列一個專案的預算來進行處理市長這樣可不可以"},{"start":4481.31,"end":4507.369,"text":"跟委員報告就是有關支持這個大甲、大安溪的改建這一個委員所關心的事項交通部一定是全力支持包含公路局但是就有關經費的部分我們也很謝謝委員的一個提議我們會朝這個方向來處理但是我可以跟委員報告其實這整個計畫的期程他的不是一年的所以即便是看到是七十一、六十一他其實是分年在編"},{"start":4508.209,"end":4524.711,"text":"所以其實分年在編的時候當在審改裡頭它的經費也是有限但是整體上當然是先有一個專案的裁員大家會覺得比較心安但是如果就這個審改其實它是一個滾動檢討有很多的計畫也都是在這裡"},{"start":4525.051,"end":4529.813,"text":"市長今天的靈體只是讓你們去思考的方向多一個啦因為不管怎麼樣我知道就省改預算他也是分年執行嘛但是問題是局長他還是希望規模還是要擴大不管怎麼樣他還是一條蠻大的錢嘛"},{"start":4552.185,"end":4574.169,"text":"所以站在局長的角度他還是擔心排擠所以他希望能夠預算規模擴大所以不管怎樣錢一定要比以前多啦那到底把審改預算規模擴大比較好或者是我們列一個大甲溪大安溪的這個專案的預算請行政院來支持比較好所以我提了一個今天提了一個建請案一個臨時提案裡面建請你們來做這個評估所以你們趕快"},{"start":4578.751,"end":4593.01,"text":"這個我透過今天的決議也建請你們重視這個問題好不好但是千萬切記喔如果特別條例是可以的你要告訴我我講過嘛我有太多特別條例要提這個我也會寫啊大安溪大甲溪特別條例"},{"start":4594.231,"end":4620.775,"text":"就我要你們做 這個就 對不對 這不通啦所以我還是收幾句啦 我很認真要改善因為大甲溪 大安溪 在我們台中做一個台中市民而言 這個是海線很重要的交通要道每天經過那裡上班下班 所以它的安全問題它的這個美觀的問題 因為新的橋梁改建之後我相信你們的設計 現在的橋梁設計都會有很有特色嘛"},{"start":4621.255,"end":4642.757,"text":"所以我相信對地方的地警來講他幫忙也很大當然更重要就是安全跟方便好這是第一個我謝謝交通部來全力支持本席的這個計畫那第二個我看了一個報導我作為一個台中市民我實在是有點難過我看了一下去年度六都的交通事故的一個統計表"},{"start":4644.637,"end":4664.687,"text":"作為臺中市民 發現臺中市的事故 排名第一也就算了事故最多 死傷也最多而且這個比例 這個數字實在是太驚人了第二名的桃園事故事件 臺中市是7萬2 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極為誇張啦極為誇張"},{"start":4912.362,"end":4938.463,"text":"所以請次長多多來關心一下啦好不好到底台中市發生什麼事情我希望你們也能夠一方面督導他然後如果我們中央是我們的權責該協助的我們不分黨派協助他因為這是台中市民的生命財產好不好謝謝補充一句話就是我們有派專家學者去就近去跟他們一起共同討論看如何解決OK謝謝謝謝次長謝謝"},{"start":4941.089,"end":4963.103,"text":"蔡奇昌委員發言完畢現在請黃敬豪委員發言好謝謝主席那我們是不是請交通部我們正次還有我們公路局陳局長請陳次長陳局長"},{"start":4967.854,"end":4975.525,"text":"委員吼市長好一開始當然要先肯定說我們禮拜一也就是這個禮拜一"},{"start":4976.459,"end":4979.56,"text":"我們看一下這個是我本席禮拜二禮拜三晚上剛好經過我發現的一件事情"},{"start":5006.505,"end":5014.3,"text":"雖然說我們這個74街國道1號的這個聯絡道做好了那的確是一個很大的工程也很大的很重要的工程但是74這個"},{"start":5017.423,"end":5041.658,"text":"快速道路很多的閘道包含崇德那段的閘道好像到我昨天晚上開的時候都還沒有開通我想問一下為什麼跟委員報告那我們在這個系統叫大系統叫到司空的時候他總共封了三個閘道包括崇德的西路那還有北屯二的一個東出跟那個東出東路跟西出"},{"start":5042.398,"end":5043.319,"text":"因為我覺得民眾的期待是說這個"},{"start":5066.926,"end":5088.846,"text":"通車典禮辦了之後,不只是可以接國道而已,包含過往直接下去,直接市區道路這一段也應該一併的開放,因為如果你不開放,其實就變成上面比較通暢,但是下面照樣在塞車,因為其實是下面的這個道路,它其實就是重要的幹,然後連接了所謂大崖北屯西屯,這個下面的道路,如果因為這個工區,"},{"start":5090.227,"end":5105.755,"text":"實施沒有把它解決的話大家就覺得我想這兩天包含我自己的這個社群網路也好我輔助也好大家的一個疑問就是阿不是通車了嗎阿通是通假的再一個月能不能加快一點我們盡快齁因為我們這個底下他必須要整個要清空才可以"},{"start":5106.215,"end":5132.184,"text":"我是建議啦,如果未來還有相關的工程要通車就一次通車,不然民眾會覺得說這個是不是就像我標題上寫的好像是為了趕520錢的通車典禮把它辦一辦當然我還是要肯定,我沒有否定你們的這個的付出但是要通車我們希望一併的把這個所有的交通節點都打開再來辦通車,要塞車一次塞完不要說好像辦通車典禮大家期待不會塞車,結果下面還在塞車"},{"start":5133.144,"end":5158.332,"text":"我們是想說做完的上面的部分都全部開放那底下是在只是把工區整理好啦沒關係我是希望趕快啦這個東西齁要說明跟民眾說明清楚不要讓大家誤會覺得好像就大家真的覺得這個520通車好像是假的齁國道通了但是下面沒通這個還是尤其在上下班的時候大家情緒都很激烈好接下來我們要本今天本期的主題啊我想這個橋梁的問題"},{"start":5160.509,"end":5177.104,"text":"一看到我們找到的數據,如果有誤的話,要請你們更正一下我想這全國的橋梁大概從我們拿到的數據裡面有22982個橋梁那分屬不同的機關在管理那為什麼今天特別會感謝趙偉辦的這個今天的專案報告"},{"start":5180.347,"end":5195.796,"text":"因為這問題其實本來也很想問就從2019年這南方大橋垮下來之後大家才發現當初的南方的橋是臺灣省政府還在的時候委託宜蘭縣興建那後來是基隆港務局管理那後來是港務公司來接手"},{"start":5196.596,"end":5217.858,"text":"但是到這個2016年的時候呢﹖李亮星政府跟港公司都以為這座橋是縣府在管轄的就是說一座橋從興建到管理到後來交接出去之後好像各單位都不知道那個橋到底是誰的那以現在所屬這個數據裡面來看到從交通部內政部各單位到各縣市政府縣市政府當然很多嘛有這樣兩萬多座橋梁"},{"start":5219.502,"end":5246.888,"text":"那這樣子在管理上面在維護上面是不是會有多頭馬車全車不限的問題那交通部有沒有希望來建立一個全國儀式性的橋梁的主管機關我跟那個委員說明一下有關剛才特別提到南方號斷橋之後其實整個行政院大概有檢討剛才委員特別提到的各個部會其他管下有所管理的很多的橋梁"},{"start":5247.208,"end":5252.775,"text":"甚至在當時的交通委員會也有做有關這樣的一個討論但是討論了以後認為其實現在因為有各個這個養護或管理的一個權責在所以還是後來的決議還是分開來做相關的一個管理"},{"start":5263.809,"end":5282.184,"text":"但是呢他整個的這個系統也好統計也好或者是檢測的這個方式也好或者耳後檢測督導的我想他也都做了一個很明確的一個全責分工這個維護管理所以現在的維護管理也一樣是分散在各單位嗎現階段對"},{"start":5286.652,"end":5289.194,"text":"反而是提升到行政院他定有一個維護管理的一個計畫在那個計畫下面"},{"start":5317.032,"end":5344.883,"text":"在那個計畫的下面他就會有相關的管理的權責督導的權責執行養護的權責主責單位是誰?現在有主責單位嗎?市長因為時間剩不夠了所以我要給你一個案例啦我想他常常講台日也好台日也好那以日本為例隔壁日本他的橋呢有72萬他當然也是有很多單位包含說國土交通省啊高速公路司啊然後督導府縣各地都有在管但他同樣的他的國土交通省除了"},{"start":5345.803,"end":5375.443,"text":"對於自己本身就像你現在交通部一樣你對自己的橋梁有管理之外他其實同時他對於其他單位的橋梁的維修看這個這個檢測也都是這個國土交通省他一定一併來負責所以今天本期這只是第一個PPTA就時間不夠了今天這個本期要提的是說是不是未來交通部應該擔起這個管理或是說至少維護跟檢修的責任要有一個橋梁總要有一個組織不定好如果今天交通部沒辦法的話是誰要來做這件事情"},{"start":5376.143,"end":5403.852,"text":"因為萬一如果到時候又出現問題的時候好像各單位互相不了解這座橋樑因為我本來要提的說其實全台灣有很多的橋樑30年以上的就有含不詳的年齡就不知道多久的有1萬將近1萬5千座橋樑30年以上所以不知道要蓋多久所以這些橋樑如果沒有一個組織機關來管理來維修的話萬一後續出問題的時候或是平常沒有人維護的話沒有人知道你手上可能也沒數據啊"},{"start":5404.992,"end":5409.701,"text":"所以是不是有機會 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你說啊委員有關這個我們回去請我們的中規司再來瞭解一下如果有相關的人我知道你也答不出來啦你交通部這個制度就有問題啦因為自己部裡面的集合小組查到自己的單位你們部裡面的工程有出現問題然後關關相護啦"},{"start":5776.445,"end":5789.011,"text":"三十二項缺失,不是三項,你們早就檢查出來,然後更離譜的啦,那個建造也是啦,建造公司還作弊啦,工程日誌啊,檢查的時間啊,那寫錯啦,還寫在灌漿以前,你知道嗎,做表就不要做表,一般是灌漿而已才可以檢查,對不對?"},{"start":5804.707,"end":5807.599,"text":"他寫那個檢查日期寫在灌漿以前這個也被檢察官抓到啊"},{"start":5812.548,"end":5819.175,"text":"根委員報告我們都已經這個在4年前發生了一個事情我們現在來講是說也經過我們那個整個在補強然後也經過大地工程學會我們有第三方的認證目前是這個邊坡是穩定安全"},{"start":5836.572,"end":5863.264,"text":"所以你現在發生就發生案子已經在法院審判你們相關的單位包括你自己本人一件接一件又不是一件你工具都是國家最重要的國道都你們管的每次發發重大工程我才找到兩件都有弊案的而且都是那種偷工減料的不按圖施工是還有出人命的"},{"start":5866.417,"end":5882.109,"text":"市長你這裡面你們有行政處分嗎?你們自己不用檢討嗎?還有你們的集合流程你們蓋嗎?是我想委員提出來的這些問題我們內部做一些檢討如果有相關人員疏失的話我們會做相關的行政處分"},{"start":5884.366,"end":5911.833,"text":"你給我打官腔的喔?不是阿你講這個有緋味阿我跟委員剛才有你一定要有處分阿你現在要檢討什麼?我有話講啦我剛才有講被你打斷了就是那個公安的部分我們都有要求假設有公安的時候包含監照雙方甲乙雙方甚至工程單位我們也都會要求做相關的一個行政的處分那這裡頭有特別提到這種施工上的弊案的這些我想我們會一併做檢討是"},{"start":5914.073,"end":5923.464,"text":"投訴高峰局的啦這個單位要注意啦我想交通部管的都要注意啦好 謝謝市長 謝謝局長"},{"start":5928.244,"end":5950.279,"text":"林俊憲委員發言完畢先做以下的報告及說明我們等一下許智傑委員發言完畢之後休息10分鐘請各黨團告知其他尚未發言的委員以便他們時間的安排另外"},{"start":5951.66,"end":5963.993,"text":"本日由委員提出臨時提案依本會往例在登記質詢的本會委員發言告一段落後處理稍後我們將在陳樹業委員詢討完畢之後再隨即處理臨時提案現在請林沛翔委員發言"},{"start":5981.39,"end":5982.216,"text":"主席有請次長請次長"},{"start":5989.08,"end":6018.052,"text":"委員好市長好今天既然第一個議題本席想要討論的是有關我們今天講橋梁安全那全國差不多21縣市差不多有16300多座的橋梁那我想請問一下說我們目前的橋梁超過40歲以上的橋梁也就是應該準備要修的橋梁大概有幾座這個手上上你們有嗎不好意思如果有的話我們提供一下數據"},{"start":6022.474,"end":6036.071,"text":"跟委員報告我們交通部這邊有建置一個所謂的車型橋梁管理系統那就是裡面去匯集包括地方政府所管轄的這個橋梁的一些資料"},{"start":6036.591,"end":6059.329,"text":"那根據我們的這個目前這個信訪裡面的資料剛才委員所詢問橋橋嶺的部分40年以上的橋樑大概目前應該有3248座車型橋樑所以差不多是五分之一嗎?對不對?差不多將近一萬六千多橋樑我們現在全國大概是兩萬兩萬兩千多兩萬兩千多嗎?"},{"start":6064.654,"end":6080.306,"text":"縣市政府的話是16500多為什麼會這樣問的原因因為403大地震剛發生那我們都知道說橋我記得沒有錯前一陣子大家最關心橋梁安全這個全國矚目的案件是有關南方澳大橋"},{"start":6081.087,"end":6101.576,"text":"那如果我記得沒有錯的話南方二大橋的橋林差不多不到40年30年甚至好像連30年都不到我記得1999還是1989那30年到20年之間的橋林然後就發生斷裂那這就表示說其實我們的地質在接受在接受任何的這個變化的時候是相當不穩定的那只要橋一斷"},{"start":6103.016,"end":6105.277,"text":"請問針對以上地方的橋樑有關超過40年的請問目前我們的偵測跟修補的計劃是什麼"},{"start":6127.328,"end":6152.022,"text":"跟委員報告一下原則上在地方主管的橋梁他都要每年要去做一些相關的一個檢測那檢測完以後他會有一個U值那U值大於4的就是大概要是立即要應該是維修就是要維修那甚至如果不能修可能就要重建等等的所以剛才特別提到40年以上的橋梁不必然是要做"},{"start":6152.722,"end":6154.483,"text":"本席是絕對尊重我們交通的專業但是必須要提醒說因為"},{"start":6177.475,"end":6196.748,"text":"403這是大地震未來還有很多餘震當然很多餘震甚至是我們感受我們的體感體感感受不到的那這些餘震都對於地質都對於地層會有很深的影響那與其是說到事情發生了憾事發生了然後有人走掉了我們再去來去檢討說當初我們可以做更好"},{"start":6197.268,"end":6220.889,"text":"本席會建議在這邊以交通部的這個整整宏觀來講必須先預先先真的是真的是超前部署先去預先去預防這樣的事情發生好那第二個本席今天要討論剛好我們公路局的主局長在那就是有關電動大客車的問題因為其實我們本席一直不只是因為最近能源能源危機不管是我們能源政策說真的"},{"start":6221.289,"end":6236.602,"text":"是有錯誤的啦 能源政策的錯誤也好還是全球的這個環保意識高漲也好 變成是我們這電動大客車的政策嚴格是方向是正確的 但是人家講一句話就是說理想很豐滿 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我們請次長請次長徐維好次長好 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我要持負努力或有其他的國有財產署的地或是其他的相關的地我們可以努力的 我們會盡量去努力但是交通部有沒有去做這樣子的思考"},{"start":6824.571,"end":6825.192,"text":"復康巴士"},{"start":6850.541,"end":6873.596,"text":"復甘巴士現在還是有增燃料稅復甘巴士跟我們講我都是在作誰我都是在尤其將來長照是國家推動的重要的方向需要復甘巴士的人會越來越多越來越多現在又開始老年化"},{"start":6874.782,"end":6894.764,"text":"所以這個部分我是希望說這是你們的內規啦就是說那個免材料費的我們先看上面一條上面一頁你們的第第四條的那個第五點因為時代不同了電動車就不用了吧因為他沒有吃汽油吧"},{"start":6895.899,"end":6911.504,"text":"好那這個是後來加的吧第6點計程車也是後來加的因為計程車它被列為大眾運輸嘛那富康巴士事實上它載的也是跟Uber一樣下一張"},{"start":6912.526,"end":6939.827,"text":"那Uber被列為計程車那Uber是你有下載有預約那也算是大眾運輸所以Uber它現在是可以免燃料費那我們的富康巴士你看這個它存在的對象呢事實上它是符合特定資格你們當時的答覆給高雄市政府的答覆是說不行但是呢事實上它是殘障或者是弱勢的大眾"},{"start":6942.833,"end":6961.798,"text":"所以我是覺得而且它又有公益的性質那包括財政部的那個牌照稅都有公益的性質可以少掉復康巴士的牌照稅那是不是我們交通部有沒有機會把這個復康巴士列為免燃料稅的一個項目"},{"start":6966.076,"end":6992.037,"text":"趕快趕快現在時間到了我跟委員報告一下委員剛才特別提到的那個計程車的部分會加進去其實應該是說又有法源所以大眾運輸發展條例裡面有提到準公共運輸所以把它納進去那這裡頭因為富康巴士是不是在那個條例裡面所以才我們在這裡才有曾經解釋說他是不符合所以我就說"},{"start":6992.918,"end":7007.812,"text":"有關這方面我們委員竟然有這樣的一個提議我們來看一下看是如何來做處理時代與時俱進嘛是那另外我說的不管是長照不管是長輩長照這些其實他也算是大眾"},{"start":7009.58,"end":7010.741,"text":"財政部都有去協助復康巴士的牌照率"},{"start":7027.236,"end":7055.244,"text":"衛福部當然對於弱勢的照顧他有一套套的辦法那交通部至少對弱勢跟弱勢的大眾也有一點協助的誠意嘛所以希望說交通部在這一部分做一下研究啦現在你沒有辦法回答馬上回答也沒關係但是我希望說研究一下下一次我會再問新的部長也會再問所以希望你們認真的研究一下好不好是是是好OK 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現在請何欣淳委員發言謝謝主席李坤澤召委 那我們請陳次長"},{"start":8239.023,"end":8258.018,"text":"委員好市長好所以今天講的是公路系統跟老舊橋梁的改建那我想之前好幾年來我也一直非常支持交通部還有相關的部會提出來有關這個危險的老舊橋梁的改建那今天除了公路系統之外公路系統就是要讓大家行的安全"},{"start":8259.498,"end":8278.025,"text":"交通平權選擇性的一個多元性在目前的政策裡面我覺得還要再加一把勁尤其針對身心障礙者跟引髮族型的權益所以我就要就教於次長我請問次長你知道嗎台灣已經暴露非常"},{"start":8278.985,"end":8279.005,"text":"委員長"},{"start":8300.894,"end":8319.048,"text":"會有重疊但是呢他告訴我們在未來我們對於這個交通平權要關心納入身心障礙者以及因發族的需求無障礙的一個交通工具跟環境他的普及性是勢在必行市長你同不同意"},{"start":8320.148,"end":8346.667,"text":"非常同意委員的看法是嘛 對不對那我們要不要做 要做啊而且要更積極的來面對跟做嘛我們現在目前看到的以台中市我所在的台中市身障者跟感染者的這個大眾交通非常的不便大不便這個是我從這個媒體上google出來的這個身心障礙者呢他如果要坐這個電動公車放入以鍍板"},{"start":8347.327,"end":8349.188,"text":"台中市的公車總量1558輛建制升降設備的公車只有52輛當然"},{"start":8368.86,"end":8369.14,"text":"臺中市"},{"start":8386.525,"end":8413.238,"text":"升降設備的公車的比例只有0.3%然後呢如果真的我們的身心障礙者有幸的在搭這一條路線碰到這個電動公車是有這樣子輪椅鍍板的我們上一站還要花7分鐘表示什麼?非常的大不便而且我必須講這個前提是什麼?這個身心障礙者還必須要搭對路線知道這個路線有這樣子的公車"},{"start":8414.963,"end":8433.948,"text":"那你知道臺中市的公車路線裡面有這種電動公車可以放輪椅鍍板的比例又更少欸市長那我以臺中市的例子來告訴你全臺灣六都跟廢六都我相信狀況不會比臺中市好接下來下一個"},{"start":8435.25,"end":8449.164,"text":"那有人就會說還有復康巴士的這個長照的系統啊剛剛有其他委員提到有長照的系統啊那我要告訴你以台中市為例復康巴士不足根本沒有辦法滿足需求啊這也是媒體"},{"start":8452.995,"end":8462.126,"text":"臺中的復康巴士非常難預約,去年有1.3萬人排不上,年取消預約近2萬人次。"},{"start":8467.935,"end":8492.24,"text":"障礙者、行動不便者他們如果要能夠外出除了自由的交通運具之外再來靠的什麼?大眾交通系統再來靠的是什麼?長照或者是復康巴士如果說這三個需求他都沒有辦法滿足甚至預約不到甚至做不到他很難走出來"},{"start":8493.715,"end":8493.735,"text":"來 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像我們現在桃園客運來講他要買電車 他來跟我澄清 可是他現在市區最大一塊停車場 因為要做社宅他不知道怎麼辦 要是不是要到新屋觀音他說進來可能電就用到三分之一 像這樣的一個"},{"start":9316.5,"end":9326.531,"text":"問題你們有沒有來去幫忙協助啊市長你說一下好不好這個部分他們現在電車如果他的場域很遠這個會遇到這樣的一個問題你們有沒有聽到他們的一個反應"},{"start":9330.776,"end":9358.556,"text":"市長跟委員報告在一開始的時候推的時候是有這樣的尤其像當時在台北市有幾個地方有這個問題但是剛才我已經說明過了有關充電的台電的電量的這樣的一個補充的系統其實我們第一個有要求公路局跟台電要有一個對應的窗口那另外也要求地方政府要協助幫業者去找相關的一個地那其實也有這樣的一個"},{"start":9358.976,"end":9373.095,"text":"你剛剛講的後面這個,這是重點啦,這真的啦,真的你們不幫忙他,包括有一重化區如果長期沒有用的,你們真的不幫忙這些業者,他真的是活不下去啦,你好歹一個位置要停,最後啦,不耽誤時間啦"},{"start":9374.136,"end":9395.814,"text":"台電充電站要現在設立我們現在每次接到台電的曾經還真的越來越多就是他一個規劃設計就耗費可能半年一年那有一些地方他們要設這個充電站這個時間會拖得很久我要拜託你交通部在這個領域要跟我們經濟部他們來做一個協調"},{"start":9396.895,"end":9397.275,"text":"謝謝主席 請主席邀請次長請次長"},{"start":9432.716,"end":9459.446,"text":"市長早安今天我們是針對這個公路的道路系統道路及橋梁安全改善辦理情形來進行詢討那我們也知道就是有關這個道路及橋梁的安全就是會影響到用路人還有駕駛人的這個交通安全那我們知道這個交通部也宣誓說這個2050年要達到這個交通零死亡這樣子的一個政策目標"},{"start":9460.386,"end":9482.944,"text":"那我在這邊先就這個部分請教市長因為我們看最近這5年來就是就這個道路交通的事故的人數跟件數都沒有這個明顯的一個下降的一個趨勢所以就這個未來2050年這個交通臨死亡價值的政策目標我們有什麼策略有什麼做法"},{"start":9486.685,"end":9507.548,"text":"跟委員報告基本上我們去年已經有通過了那個就是一些相關的政策那今年也通過道路交通安全基本法還有綱要計畫那內政部今年也通過了行電交通安全設施條例所以基本上我們現在會根據這個綱要計畫還有這個設施條例去從工程教育監理"},{"start":9508.089,"end":9536.602,"text":"跟執法面向去推動各項的工作那我們現在涉及設計的目標就是今年能夠比去年至少減少5%這樣目標來定定那這個法規法令跟實際面可能還是會有一些落差那我們也希望就是說我們交通部在這個部分要有一些更精準的一些做法那本席有看到就是說我們交通部有建置一個"},{"start":9537.162,"end":9550.851,"text":"道路交通安全資料整合與分析平台這個次長您知道嗎對我們有這個平台我們也有個道安資訊查詢網有可以供各界來查詢相關的一些道安的資訊"},{"start":9552.31,"end":9580.415,"text":"對 那就這個資訊裡面當然就是主要就是針對這個事故的一些背景分析就是包括肇事原因還有駕駛人的這個資格包括年齡性別等等還有這個事故違規的排行跟熱區分析那其實我們也看到就是說就韓國他就這個部分的分析他做得更細就是說針對這個交通事故發生的區域"},{"start":9581.135,"end":9600.738,"text":"整個的這個背景資料他有做一些精確的一個統計跟分析就是一個大數據的分析就是說包括這個道路的寬度或者是說他位在位處的這個區域是住宅區還是什麼區他都會做更細緻的一些分析我們這部分好像沒有做到這樣子"},{"start":9601.798,"end":9629.9,"text":"跟委員報告基本上我們的後台資料的資訊更多當然就是說這個不是每個都開放給所有的人使用但比如我們相關主管單位或縣政府他可以進入這個平台針對他的需要去做分析比如說他是發生在村裡道路呢還是在我們的平台裡面可以做分析也跟委員我們現在也有參考一些國外的一些的平台的顯示的方式跟內容進行相關的一個修正"},{"start":9631.421,"end":9652.262,"text":"我跟委員再報告一下就是剛才委員特別提到的那個相關的資料其實現在我們運營所也好或者是內政部國土署也好對於這樣的事故的都會採用這個事故的碰撞構圖去做分析在那個構圖的一個平台上他就會有建立剛才委員特別提到的這樣的一個基本的資料在裡面"},{"start":9653.022,"end":9671.162,"text":"對,那就是說事實上這個這樣子的分析若說可以就這個違規或者是說事故的一個熱區的分析來分析他的事故發生的一些地理環境背景資料然後我們再來予以做這個交通的一個改善我想這個應該是會更細緻的一些作為"},{"start":9675.366,"end":9696.394,"text":"因為我們知道最近兩年我們就是非常的關心有關這個行人安全還有這個道路安全的一個議題那其實事實上在地方上我們也發現就是說很多道路可能是道路那個路面寬度不足道路狹窄或者是說彎度過彎或者是說這個路口"},{"start":9699.835,"end":9699.855,"text":"．述"},{"start":9717.194,"end":9736.714,"text":"會有問題有時候就是找不到經費來源因為我們中央可以補助的可能就是生活圈道路或者是計畫都外的計畫道路然後營建署當然就是都內的道路那縣政府他可能就是針對他的這個縣道可是有一些道路他就找不到可以"},{"start":9737.395,"end":9761.648,"text":"找這個裁員的地方所以我們也很高興就是說看到在這兩年我們關注這個議題之後我們交通部這邊也有針對都市計畫區外非公路系統道路改善計畫有編列的這個預算這是今年度的預算那就這個部分市長你了解嗎這個計畫目前的辦理情形如何"},{"start":9762.788,"end":9778.18,"text":"是,就誠如這個委員所說的確實就是說像內政部跟交通部都有相關的補助的範圍那確實像都外的這個沒有編號的這種非公路系統的話之前其實都是地方政府自己要找經費去這個做處理"},{"start":9779.941,"end":9797.731,"text":"行政院這一次特別就是說在今年也編了15億讓我們就是說來做這個相關的這個協助地方處理那現在他們已經案子有送相關計畫來我們這邊做申請了那我們大概在這個應該在這個最快我想這個月或下個月我們都會相關的核定"},{"start":9798.791,"end":9806.733,"text":"因為很多的道路事實上可能就是屬於鄉鎮公所層級的所以對鄉鎮公所他們財源更加的拮据那要跟彰化縣政府爭取經費有時候又很困難所以就這個部分我們也是很期待說我們中央的部分可以針對需要改善的路段給予經費的補助"},{"start":9823.417,"end":9841.302,"text":"可是就我目前接到的一個訊息因為在我的地方我們也關注很多的這個路段真的確實是這個道路才4公尺寬可是是位在這個就是三個相界的一個交通要道因為很多從郊遊道下來的可能就是會走這個路線"},{"start":9843.423,"end":9857.095,"text":"趙成說車流量很高可是道路缺寬度不足我們覺得說這個是真的需要改善可是就目前我們接到訊息是我們提報的計畫時間實在太短了他們根本來不及報"},{"start":9858.888,"end":9879.504,"text":"我們目前我們看到的公文我們是3月15我們公路總局就是有這個公文給地方的政府可是要求在4月15號之前就要報到我們中央來那目前我們地方給我的反應的這個訊息就是說根本來不及報那我不曉得說今年度這樣子還來得及嗎"},{"start":9881.927,"end":9904.783,"text":"委員如果說因為當初其實是大概給這個地方政府其實兩個月時間4月多是先報到我們當地啦當地的那個這個我們的公務段養物分局他做相關審核後就是再報來我們這邊那我想如果說真的地方政府還有這樣子的需求的話是不是就是說報來我們會盡量因為大概還是要排相關的優先順序"},{"start":9906.124,"end":9929.351,"text":"是,好,因為我們希望就是說因為經費我們看起來也不是很多因為我們今年都是編了10億嘛那不曉得說明年度還會不會有那就是說就這樣子有限的經費我們也希望就是說可以真的就是要用在刀口上針對真的確實重要需要的地方來進行改善讓地方的交通更安全好,謝謝"},{"start":9930.829,"end":9937.775,"text":"謝謝委員好 謝謝陳書悅委員 發言完畢我們現在處理臨時提案本日既有一案請議事人員宣讀"},{"start":9942.917,"end":9969.409,"text":"臺中市臺縣大甲溪橋和大安溪橋市海縣區居民來往清水大甲等地必經之路然而大甲溪橋和大安溪橋的橋林均已相當老舊過境老化公路局目前先以省道改善計劃經費辦理設計作業預計於明114年完成設計出入建設總經費將超過70億元為兼顧大甲溪橋和大安溪橋之建設"},{"start":9970.089,"end":9985.003,"text":"避免排擠,全國省道公路系統之修繕,安全提升經費,建請交通部應將排中市台一線大甲溪橋和大安溪橋改建工程經費,以專款專用方式辦理提案人委員蔡啟昌等。"},{"start":9987.472,"end":10013.952,"text":"好 我們先請交通部來做說明是 就是在這個提案的最後一行就是以專款專用那專款專用這四個字刪除是修正為專案申請計劃經費或寬列省道改善計劃經費額度那這個修正的話已經獲得這個提案委員的同意以上就報告各位委員有沒有意見"},{"start":10015.014,"end":10024.422,"text":"好那沒有意見我們就修正通過臨時提案處理完畢如果有委員就上述提案補簽列入記錄並刊登公報"},{"start":10042.574,"end":10049.957,"text":"我們接著請李坤澤召會發言謝謝徐烏奎委員﹖請陳次長﹖陳偶樂局長﹖趙新華局長有請次長跟局長"},{"start":10058.88,"end":10079.109,"text":"市長 局長好 我們這個會期其實在0403地震之前我們在交通委員會我們就召開了相關的不管是長隧道相關的這些防震防災的相關的實地的考察或者是相關國家級警報相關的這些專題的報告"},{"start":10080.41,"end":10106.503,"text":"然後我們也看到這個0403的大地震之後其實它的餘震也是不斷那我們對於交通系統的安全我們必須要時時刻刻在還沒有發生之前我們就要做好預防發生之後也要確實來檢討是否有相關的整體交通系統的緩緩的這樣的一個措施或者是整體的這個程序有沒有問題來必須做一個檢討那我們"},{"start":10109.173,"end":10129.795,"text":"4月份發生的這樣的一個余震就有1396次那顯著的有感地震達到348個小區域的地震有1048個那地震的次數我們以對比去年的4月來講是增加了26倍增加了26倍"},{"start":10132.202,"end":10140.088,"text":"國家級情報在2023年總共發布了13次到今年到現在為止已經發布了60次"},{"start":10141.547,"end":10165.956,"text":"那我們對於相關的這些落實造成的重大災害我們來看大地震0403蘇花公路的大清水地段也發生了大規模的崩塌也造成一死一傷的這樣的不幸的事故那我們看到公路兩側發生這樣一個落實自殺的這樣的一個案件"},{"start":10167.438,"end":10173.897,"text":"2011年有11次2023年有4次今年到目前有幾次請說明一下"},{"start":10176.942,"end":10177.682,"text":"臺九縣 臺八縣東段 西段"},{"start":10198.869,"end":10211.825,"text":"主段部分,像台九縣的蘇化公路,4天就搶通小客車通行,其他落實的清理也是在4月6日都已經清理完"},{"start":10216.29,"end":10242.13,"text":"大概幾個地方都已經清理完畢了大概有幾個地方有這樣一個台九縣的話就是我們現在就是說這一個有六處重要的落石的邊坡其中就是一處就是下清水橋另外五處的邊坡原則上在今年年底也全部都能夠改善完成局長、次長我們之前我一直要求"},{"start":10243.976,"end":10259.847,"text":"交通部針對公路總局相關的單位我們要設置落實的告警系統這個落實告警系統目前總共完成了16個地方落實的這樣的一個警示也總共有達到39次"},{"start":10261.348,"end":10280.898,"text":"那當然這些相關的狀況我們必須要更精進的掌握當然我們對於邊坡的分級管理有運用遙測的技術也定量的分級來管理也導入科技的巡檢那最重要我們要推動落實的這種告警的系統"},{"start":10281.698,"end":10297.87,"text":"那我們現在看看我們的這個邊坡的統計當然是分成A B C DA B都是屬於比較高風險的這樣的一個級別那A級我們今年3月21有做統計A級有273處B級有43處那我請教一下"},{"start":10303.806,"end":10329.46,"text":"零四零三大地震之後這些邊級的這樣的一個狀況有變動嗎?或是有增加?是根本報告會變動不過就是說因為就是說整個這個包括A級跟B級的定義的話就是說這一個包括這個兩年內有落實然後能不能把它這個落實的源頭做相關的處理那防護的措施是什麼?所以就是說還有就是說它的邊坡是不是還是不穩定"},{"start":10330.06,"end":10330.18,"text":"主席"},{"start":10348.3,"end":10350.083,"text":"分級沒有問題,現在只是說有一些的邊坡要把它滾動,滾進來可能會變成A級跟B級這樣子"},{"start":10364.941,"end":10381.821,"text":"對我的意思就是這樣就是7月份當然ABCD這四級它有一個明確的定義這個不會變動我講的是說A 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是是是"},{"start":10638.697,"end":10648.003,"text":"好 現在請徐富奎委員發言謝謝主席 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我跟委員報告因為就是說自己在那個比如說這個橋下啦河邊畫的那個那個就是我們考照的那個就是說那些標線的話其實只是練技術了那練技術其實對於就是說對於這個我們年輕學子其實我們現在的道安的統計年輕學子其實拿到駕照後的事故率真的非常高"},{"start":11474.071,"end":11503.033,"text":"其實我們要跟學校合作的是要灌輸他們就是說不是只有技術交通安全的不是只有技術這個拿到駕照應該要對交通安全的防禦駕駛觀念實務的這個所以其實我們是多鼓勵大家其實應該要花點時間去這個比如說上一些學科啦或是在這個安全的一個防禦駕駛在駕訓班多一些養成的一個那拿到駕照後會更安全因為事故例跟違規例上過駕訓班真的差很大"},{"start":11504.094,"end":11531.326,"text":"好那這部分還是請我們公路局這邊這個更加用心能夠增加這個補導那另外就是這個偏鄉偏鄉我們現在目前這個數位行動監理車的部分推動的情況之前在宜蘭南澳推動的情況還算不錯我也希望延續繼續辦理那另外還有一個就請我們公路局是不是可以會後給我一份資料"},{"start":11532.711,"end":11559.26,"text":"宜蘭縣的這個四縱六橫其中有一橫是這個二節聯絡道聯絡道他現在目前碰到的一個瓶頸是剛好那個點剛好碰到是宜蘭監理站所以沒辦法往西延伸所以這個部分我是不是請這個局長還是我們交通部這邊對於這個部分目前所碰到的瓶頸跟後續要推動的期程是怎樣可不可以後續那個會後給我一份詳細的資料好以上謝謝"},{"start":11562.281,"end":11568.507,"text":"好,謝謝陳俊宇委員：發言完畢。感謝幹部長是完本的中心職場對面。好,現在請嚴匡衡委員發言。"},{"start":11586.776,"end":11592.843,"text":"主席各位列席官員主席我想請我們交通部陳政次陳次長"},{"start":11598.883,"end":11617.292,"text":"委員好市長好市長我本期的選區在那個大肚烏日榮景這一部分那目前從大肚這邊到一直跨越烏溪然後到這個彰化的河美"},{"start":11618.112,"end":11632.383,"text":"河美交流道省道台61乙線就是美港公路這個部分河美大橋已經在興建當中1690公尺 寬22公尺 總經費32億由台中市跟帳化縣府共同出資 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61整個路網的建置就是"},{"start":11934.6,"end":11935.02,"text":"現在請王洪威委員發言"},{"start":11960.953,"end":11965.515,"text":"好謝謝主席我請交通部陳次長請陳次長還有鐵道局楊局長請楊局長委員好市長好是"},{"start":11977.539,"end":11993.475,"text":"市長好 局長好大概在兩個禮拜之前我也在我們交通委員會質詢就是有關於我們臺灣高鐵他們在整個的這個變電站的保養的過程裡面出現了重大的公安問題"},{"start":11994.716,"end":12019.732,"text":"因為當時呢他們沒有按照SOP所以呢在整個的過程裡面他沒有先停就是先斷電而造成另外一個另外一組公班帶有6個人他們當時呢如果這個這個公班6個人他們沒有按照SOP來做的話非常有可能在這個高壓電之下這6個人會成為烤肉串"},{"start":12021.073,"end":12050.453,"text":"那那個時候呢其實當時勞動部呢立刻的就說他們要介入調查因為是重大公安問題我也提醒交通部要注意臺灣高鐵最近所發生的別說他的紀律問題他的列車長就是沒有接受酒測然後就還是去執勤然後包含這樣的一個公安問題而這個事情呢就是在我們披露之後我跟油耗委員披露之後"},{"start":12052.034,"end":12056.677,"text":"台灣高鐵還發新聞稿說他們都有按照SOP而且強調他們都有檢討而且說人員沒有受傷這個是在5月1號我們召開記者會以及我跟油耗委員都在我們委員會去質詢之後那麼高鐵他只是部分成員他有部分的他事實上是沒有說實話"},{"start":12077.438,"end":12078.679,"text":"4月30日 董事長在主持的會議裏面還特別說要檢討未來要按照SOP這個聲音剛剛落下我要告訴交通部還有鐵道局的事"},{"start":12096.923,"end":12111.235,"text":"高鐵又出事了又出現公安意外而這次同樣的也是沒有依照程序而這次呢出現了人員受傷的情形"},{"start":12112.273,"end":12130.027,"text":"人員受傷還好啦我們後來了解不是非常嚴重這是不幸中的大幸他同樣的他因斷電而沒有斷電應該去斷電他沒有斷電結果呢造成也是一樣施工人員其實有被電擊受傷了那我剛才講"},{"start":12135.27,"end":12157.863,"text":"那個事件前面一個事件是發生在4月9號4月初因為他們知道他們有跟包含其實有跟交通部還有包含跟立法委員來爆料之後那麼高鐵才趕快在4月30號才由董事長來召開他們的一個週報的會議他們有個會議才來做檢討"},{"start":12162.659,"end":12182.913,"text":"然後對外講說沒有問題我都按照SOP結果這個事件發生在5月11號看到沒有這麼接近又出現公安意外所以部長還是局長來能幫我回答高鐵出了什麼事情你們會怎麼樣的去監督高鐵"},{"start":12187.157,"end":12215.988,"text":"跟委員報告那上次在委員召開記者會之後我們在隔天5月3號立刻以鐵路法就台灣高鐵公司進行相關的檢查作業那上一次的這樣子的一個物質變電站的這樣的一個作業疏失我們查他們確實是有相關作業程序上必須要再做一些檢討的地方所以我們已經提出來按照檢查的結果要求他就相關的作業程序書還有控款機制來做一些改善"},{"start":12216.408,"end":12220.872,"text":"5月11號的事情你們知道嗎跟委員報告我們沒有接獲通報沒有接獲通報所以你看5月11號到今天已經幾號了4月9號才發生這個事情如果不是我們召開記者會我們質詢你們也不知道你們去調查之後才發現確有疏失結果5月11號我現在在質詢你們還不知道所以就麻煩你回去立刻"},{"start":12244.433,"end":12267.191,"text":"除了這兩次的公安事件之外我覺得還有一個問題他們怎麼可以隱匿不報?是不是?一定要追究我們徹底來對高鐵公司的部分做一個瞭解跟查處我們希望高鐵除了要行使的安全在施工的時候也要保障基層這些施工人員的安全好不好?這一點拜託"},{"start":12269.793,"end":12288.748,"text":"如果他們有知情不報,我覺得該懲處就懲處,他們不要因為現在新舊政府交接之息啊,他們是不是也認為說自己的這個官位保不保,上層這樣子在那邊打混,然後呢這個下面的人也可以因此覺得反正只要沒有人報,就可以不用通報,好不好?可以嗎?局長可以嗎?"},{"start":12292.071,"end":12294.632,"text":"王宏威委員發言完畢 現在請邱志偉委員發言"},{"start":12326.425,"end":12329.166,"text":"主席有事不請交通部陳次長公路局陳局長台鐵公司馮總經理"},{"start":12339.996,"end":12358.586,"text":"市長,您看第一頁,私有的運具,就是說每年新車的量跟報費的量大概差了將近快10萬,運具就是說私有車輛或者運輸車輛越來越多,"},{"start":12360.7,"end":12372.845,"text":"越來越多所以變成說道路會變成常態性的擁捨你在做更多的路或者在拓寬還是沒辦法趕上這個車輛的這個增加的速度這個有沒有什麼解放"},{"start":12375.016,"end":12400.173,"text":"我想委員特別提到這大概是交通管理上一個很嚴肅的一個問題就是如何讓私人運具的管理能夠有一定的管理然後其實最大的問題還是要增加這個相關公共運輸的使用那另外是一個減少這個交通屢次的一個產生他如果產生交通屢次的減少以後當然私人運具的使用就會減少"},{"start":12400.333,"end":12400.693,"text":"提出這個問題想辦法解決是你們的責任"},{"start":12418.084,"end":12432.703,"text":"我想這個我們會來想如何處理其實我們在2050的近年排放裡頭有關綠色運輸的推動上這個也是一個重要的事情我這個問題丟給你 你要好好想方式我來解決因為台鐵楊總經理 黃總經理"},{"start":12435.206,"end":12454.541,"text":"董事長你跟市政府江山捷運站6月底馬上要通車了那你這個聯絡的那個天橋到底這個委管一個天橋管理都沒有辦法這個桃園共識這很奇怪這部分你想辦法解決你不用打呼我你打呼我可能要5分鐘"},{"start":12455.851,"end":12481.799,"text":"你回去跟市政府好好的討論一下這個不是什麼大部分的問題為什麼我已經開了三四次協調會都跟部長講了還是沒辦法解決所以這個部分如果中央政府的確有困難你們這個中央政府這個把它扛下來啦好不好那另外我之前提到我們要增加這個南歐北歐的航點那個在總質詢也提過你們到底有沒有進度啊"},{"start":12483.12,"end":12506.318,"text":"但是這個慰問不要這個慰問就是事故就進遷了然後什麼說明資料也都沒有我跟委員報告這個我可能真是不是瞭解我可能要背後提供給委員現在秘書長秘書長會接新的部長齁你再跟他提醒一下這是我關心齁這個布局要全球化南歐北歐也是一個"},{"start":12507.619,"end":12536.702,"text":"有趣他們也會來高雄也很重要啦但是你這個航點的多元化也很重要這部分這個再加油一下好不好那另外這個幾個道路建設這個當然是跟跟這個比較有相關啦來這個跟公路局啊台六十一線啊台六十一線的部分這個我已經問了好多次好多次難言這也是我提的這個召委可以證明這是我自己寫提案"},{"start":12538.22,"end":12553.53,"text":"我自己寫提案採取台61線兩頁本來是要中文溪口一直跨不過中文溪口我說不能這個停留在中文溪口一定要往南我對高雄市的消息沒有辦法負責沒有辦法交代所以你是從沿海這是濱海國道"},{"start":12555.991,"end":12558.332,"text":"這部分你們就能不能多積極多用心一點"},{"start":12572.519,"end":12594.898,"text":"跟委員報告就是臺六一南沿現在在可沿就是現在確實曾文溪橋往南包括臺南段的跟高雄段的那我們預計大概是8月底大概就是整個可沿報告那包括委員所關心的就是說永安交流道這一個因為它下來以後要怎麼接的這個地區的聯絡道我想我們把它納入這一個可沿裡面這個你們繼續辦理再把這進度跟我說"},{"start":12598.04,"end":12619.11,"text":"北高雄永續提升人行安全計畫特別是非都會區都會區當然它有很多的資源北高雄是非都會區提案那麼多北高雄只有一案這個比例上失衡了你們重新再檢討一下我會再召集會議找高雄市政府交通局"},{"start":12620.64,"end":12643.338,"text":"全面盤點說應該是要把它蓋在這個計畫之營在北高雄或是非都會區這部分我們再請這個交通局再來協調一下那個局長來加強土庫排水這個橋耐洪耐震這個提升高工局這部分再請局長這個"},{"start":12645.718,"end":12667.688,"text":"這幾天討論了好多次這局長你是不是再積極一點目前他因為那個花苞有點延誤那目前已經招標出去了招標出去了那你要趕快招標出去如期如質完工那台資教養縣我也關心的這個沒有千次也有百次加封加薪跟團體三個里的意見你們調查結果怎麼樣台資教養縣"},{"start":12669.479,"end":12694.242,"text":"這個部分的話 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邱志偉委員發言完畢現在請張祺凱委員發言"},{"start":12776.408,"end":12788.931,"text":"我們今天拿非常具體的數據來檢驗蔡英文政府的交通安全成績單你有看到這個圖蔡英文是民國105年5月20號上任"},{"start":12794.158,"end":12821.21,"text":"你會發現這個圖有點趨勢圖好像反部每年都在上升嗎本來他上任的時候那一年交通事故30萬5556件到了去年突破了40萬件顯然蔡政府這8年交通安全事故是嚴重的"},{"start":12822.8,"end":12849.553,"text":"從交通事故的這個事件來看我們進一步來看死傷的人數今年啊交通事故的死傷人數到了新高五十四萬人市長你同樣你從1805年去看那時候死傷人數多少七十萬五千五百四十四人到了去年已經跳到了五十四萬人了更驚悚的是下一張很讓我們難過的"},{"start":12852.526,"end":12878.406,"text":"兒童的死傷人數今年啊,爆衝到11858人因為我平時在質詢都笑他他啊今天練這個數目字我都很悲傷而且你們要看到不只是在比105年的時候比較背景外而已你看110年到112年大家看那個趨勢有沒有像那個沖天炮那是到底發生什麼事情,現在這麼嚴重"},{"start":12881.192,"end":12903.818,"text":"為整個交通的事件反部上升一年一年上升死傷的數目是特別是兒童的我做個統計齁這樣的成績是不是對不起台灣民眾我知道交通部有很多重要的建設對國家是有貢獻的可是在交通安全這一塊安全這個這從事件跟死傷人士來講這個真的對不起台灣人民喔你看一下"},{"start":12905.738,"end":12919.859,"text":"馬英九這個任期,他雖然一開始是高的,你看他是不是比較趨勢往下,整體趨勢是往下降的蔡總統從105年開始,你看這個曲線就一直反步的往上升這樣跟人民可以交代嗎?到底發生什麼事情?"},{"start":12925.077,"end":12948.512,"text":"好 不好回答是吧 沒關係啦 那就加油 這個人命關天的事情啦 好不好加油 我知道交通部大家也很辛苦齁 可是從這個數據看起來真的是難過的 要好好改善 好不好好 那改善就要提出要方 提出要方那最近有修這個道路交通管理處罰條例 我在擔心的是很多人說 會不會讓道安的問題更惡化呢例如我舉一個例子 大家看這個"},{"start":12949.946,"end":12975.282,"text":"道路紅線的圍停他明顯影響到事件對不對大家如果開車或是走路都會碰到這個問題可是現在開始不記點了這個攸關行人這個安全可是現在檢舉這個限縮的這個檢舉首先你們要不要去想一想不記點不檢舉之後這個還是攸關行人的安全啊攸關很多人的安全啊這個好好再檢討一下好不好另外一件事我看你們的預算書"},{"start":12976.587,"end":12994.646,"text":"一八十幾年跟一百一十二年跟一百一十三年交通部要補助十一年要建科技執法的設備要全國三百四十五個的所在這是毛起來在開單是吧把人民當提款機嗎這個也想一下好不好在比較先進的國家"},{"start":12997.759,"end":12999.58,"text":"上下客運的空間要先做好不要讓職業駕駛人被迫去違規這問題很嚴重對不對"},{"start":13028.963,"end":13057.474,"text":"這個也要解決嘛好不好 第二個同一個地點 同一個違規 連續開罰單你如果照目前科技執法 進行開罰 進行舉發的你的大手段 我們報告法 搞不好交通部的觀點都碰到這個問題啊你收到那個罰單 老過的事一兩個月嘛 對不對 不會啊你如果是當場勸發 它就不會再發生第二次啊所以這個問題是要解決的 好不好沒辦法達到 沒辦法達到欠倒這個目的 你要怎麼去解決這要做 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了或是說潮話線就增加那你們專業在哪裡"},{"start":14594.833,"end":14616.415,"text":"如果說你們有專業的話你們應該是說我告訴任何的民眾或是告訴人家講說我們確實有經過評估這樣子的設計是最好的那真的有發生意外的話但是我們以這樣的設計意外其實已經大幅降低了而不是說當發生意外之後 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抱歉我自己改如果說你們要自己改的話那不就自打嘴巴嗎"},{"start":14617.495,"end":14640.504,"text":"所以這也是我那時候上任的時候我一直強調是說你應該先做做完之後你應該要堅持因為比專業來講任何人你們既然是行政部門既然公路局以前從總局現在變公路局但不管是叫什麼名稱公路方面應該是你們要有自豪要有自信講是說你們做出來的東西是至少在中華民國我們國內最專業的"},{"start":14642.984,"end":14653.984,"text":"如果說你們都變成是說頭通一頭腳通一腳或是說人家提出一點質疑連挑戰你們你們馬上進不去挑戰的話那我說實在話你這樣的單位有什麼專業可言"},{"start":14655.6,"end":14679.627,"text":"我做一個最後的檢討,我再跟委員做一個說明什麼時候可以跟我說?一個禮拜內,給本席辦公室,包括說你們未來要做的改進以及說明,讓本席知道,可以嗎?好,可以可以,謝謝好,謝謝,侯孟楷委員發言完畢,現在請徐欣盈委員發言"},{"start":14687.284,"end":14691.768,"text":"臣政次次長臣政次長臣政次長臣政次長臣政次長臣政次長臣政次長"},{"start":14710.68,"end":14735.372,"text":"主要屬於這個臺一線或是高速公路塞車的問題沒辦法解決,是不是交通部的責任?如果是在相關的這個省道或國道上?對,省道,就臺一線稱為省道那本席想請教一下,不知道您知不知道我們全亞洲最塞車的城市是哪一個城市?"},{"start":14736.434,"end":14759.369,"text":"我們交通部有在了解嗎或是我們全台灣好了那全台灣最塞車的城市沒有那我們定義塞車好那我再請教我們如果塞車有沒有一個標準塞到什麼程度你們才願意出手來協助剛剛你說的省道或國道它不是特殊因素它是長期的塞車"},{"start":14767.756,"end":14782.546,"text":"對,我想這個委員特別提到因為我們的所有的這個道路上都有所謂的服務水準那你時數到什麼情況?你算最嚴重是多少?你跟我講最嚴重是多少?"},{"start":14784.166,"end":14805.715,"text":"實數,你的ABCDE最嚴重是A嘛,對不對?不是不是,最好是A最好是A,好,那就是1ABCDE,那你1的話你實數是多少?你算塞車嗎?然後這個還有高速公路跟那個對對對,那我就高速公路跟不含特殊因素,什麼車禍或什麼你正常時間,不是巔峰時間你塞車"},{"start":14810.339,"end":14834.659,"text":"省道你時數多少你要改善嘛還有高速公路嘛國道你有沒有標準省道應該不會有塞車那我真的要拜託你不會有塞車到這個所謂的F級等級還不去改善的不會啦不會有F等級是時數多少F已經算到很很時數多少講得出來嗎20還是20喔還是多少"},{"start":14840.455,"end":14855.359,"text":"好,我跟次長報告啦,我們全亞中最塞車的城市,它時數大概就是20但是我們新豐,新竹縣新豐鄉省道上,它可以塞到30對,不是不是,它12,12,對,每小時只有12"},{"start":14861.587,"end":14878.265,"text":"有我相信你們應該知道啊地方一直喊一直喊而且這種情形因為我們的省道啊省道貫穿整個台灣但是每個地區他城市的發展不同他可能本來從鄉村慢慢他因為"},{"start":14879.386,"end":14881.607,"text":"所以這一塊本席要特別的請勿在新竹縣台一線上"},{"start":14906.42,"end":14924.579,"text":"湖口到新峰湖口的部分就是我們你們應該很清楚嘛高速公路不用到上下班上下班就不用講了那平常就塞所以全台灣北或南的民眾啊大家只要有在高速公路開車的經驗"},{"start":14926.721,"end":14947.372,"text":"塞車了虎口到了那新豐也是虎口跟新豐都是高度發展他從一個鄉村變成像虎口鄉他已經要變成全國最大的鄉鎮市不然是啦鄉鎮他已經變最大所以虎口他是高速公路回堵"},{"start":14948.593,"end":14964.452,"text":"新風是台一線回堵所以這個已經很多年很多年了所以本席希望我們交通部我們今天的這樣的一個討論質詢跟反應你們可以重視而且能夠積極的來協助可以嗎"},{"start":14967,"end":14982.493,"text":"跟委員報告,剛才講到高速公路湖口那段,我想委員應該就很清楚,我們從陽梅到頭份,有一個陽頭的高架道路破款改善那已經喊很久了嘛,現在定案到施工到完成,我看大概還要5到10年所以那個我們會來那個,剛才講到的施工"},{"start":14985.555,"end":15012.761,"text":"他除了羊頭高架道路之外那個高速公路本身一高他的跟我們市區道路的連結那個也有改善也有改善的計畫也要拜託這個我們再來看怎麼樣來在這個地方看怎麼樣來討論那至於說剛才台一線我的了解新竹線還是有在那邊要做台一線的替代道路就在新豐"},{"start":15014.442,"end":15038.3,"text":"主北到新峰,台一線替代道路,但是那個是從新竹市武陵路過來他就到這個接近新峰,主北交界那裡可是我說的是,主北到新峰的南邊往北邊接湖口那一段也要拜託這個我們再請公路總局再來看看,看怎麼樣來做處理真的要拜託你們,要重視地方好嗎?是是,好謝謝"},{"start":15040.68,"end":15041.3,"text":"麻煩政次請陳次長"},{"start":15069.55,"end":15096.3,"text":"市長好上禮拜你們在我有針對於我們近縣內非都市計畫之一搬道路的道路環境規劃跟我們的用路安全問題要求我們的公路局要給我書面資料再麻煩敬述那這禮拜我想再進一步針對我們的行川縣跟我們的人行道的設置來就教於我們的市長這邊希望交通部能夠給出一些具體的"},{"start":15102.575,"end":15114.366,"text":"行穿線的照明應該使我們夜間駕駛可以清楚地辨識行穿線跟行人所以在國內的交通工程規範當中有明確地去訂定照明的相關規範"},{"start":15121.733,"end":15150.9,"text":"只要舉凡穿越道的一個照明度應該符合垂直照度的需求燈具安裝的部分也要避免對駕駛人造成眩光所以本席想問的是這樣的一個垂直照度然後只有40L以上那這40L以上呢就是40燭光以上那如果剛好在40又是垂直照度只照度到在某一個範圍的時候是不是"},{"start":15151.539,"end":15153.56,"text":"足夠想就叫一次長應該就是看那個規範上是怎麼樣規範的是來看下一頁所以就會發生這種彰化案事故發生在晚間的6點21分那事故發生的點剛好是在兩站入燈的中間點所以就缺乏照明所以要不要去檢討這個照明到底夠不夠因為我自己是開車的"},{"start":15181.598,"end":15181.638,"text":"下一頁"},{"start":15209.963,"end":15215.481,"text":"在行川縣現在有很多綠地那這個規範上我不知道"},{"start":15216.243,"end":15241.498,"text":"沒有一個很明確的規範因為目前各地方政府都在做這件事情所以在這樣子的一個狀況裡面我們看到這種綠底漆除了顯眼以外也具備排水功能是很好那抗滑係數也加一般的那個熱半漆膏可是有一個問題想請教我們的交通部使用這種聚光紋理的綠底漆國內是否有相關的CMS規範"},{"start":15247.531,"end":15261.096,"text":"如果沒有的話我覺得請去訂這個規範而且要考慮到也就是他還有脆裂磨平的問題的時候可能在規範裡面還是要去做考量下一頁"},{"start":15262.298,"end":15287.827,"text":"另外一個要來問的是在人行道設置去年修法就已經明確的把公路跟市區道路共同使用的路段從原先我們原先條文的規定的因評估設置人行道修正為因流設人行道所以本席予以肯定可是此處的因流設是指未來道路新建的才要流設"},{"start":15288.869,"end":15293.126,"text":"我們的空間來設人行道還是既有的道路都要設人行道"},{"start":15295.758,"end":15302.162,"text":"這個既有的道路我們會去把它檢討然後如果要改建的話我們會讓它符合這樣的一個規範"},{"start":15325.277,"end":15325.838,"text":"下一頁"},{"start":15337.031,"end":15364.1,"text":"我主張全面檢盤點我們的道路照明的情形是不是可以提出具體的改善計畫跟期程不要再跟路人講說那你要不要穿得更亮一點那除非我全身都是做反光那第二個是研擬增訂我們的行川線那個綠底漆的CNS規範還有針對公路跟市區道路共用的路段可不可以全面的盤點檢討跟評估人行道設置的情形來回應我們"},{"start":15365.801,"end":15374.96,"text":"民眾的需求來下降傷亡．並提出具體的改善計劃跟期程這三項是不是可以一個月然後提出來"},{"start":15377.284,"end":15395.792,"text":"委員報告我們可以在一個月內向委員提出說這個每一點我們後續要打算怎麼做因為那裡頭有的牽涉到跟地方政府要相關而且大家要共同討論不是一時就可以比如說像規範但是如何怎麼做然後期程是怎麼樣我們來提出來跟委員做說明好謝謝"},{"start":15399.4,"end":15428.105,"text":"好,謝謝,您也請委員發言完畢現在請黃仁委員黃仁委員黃仁委員不在現在請陳培宇委員陳培宇委員陳培宇委員不在現在請蔡易宇委員蔡易宇委員蔡易宇委員不在登記執行委員軍旅發言完畢做以下決定"},{"start":15429.591,"end":15450.05,"text":"報告及詢討完畢委員陳冠廷黃仁所提書面諮詢列入記錄並刊登公報委員於諮詢中要求提供相關書面資料或未及答覆部分請交通部盡速以書面答覆本日議程處理完畢 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