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審查完畢沒有還在審查中那現在接手的政委是哪一位之前是羅秉成現在接手的是哪一位林明星政務委員是林明星接的是所以這件事情還沒有定案嗎"},{"start":2644.265,"end":2669.278,"text":"我想這個還要混成大家的一個意見那我先表達我的期待啦我不曉得行政院版送來的時候來得及來不及但因為這件事情延宕太久了司法法制委員會未必會等行政院版送來所以可能要麻煩部長跟林明新政委稍微協調溝通一下速度可能要快一點因為司法法制委員會已經排審了"},{"start":2670.719,"end":2692.612,"text":"這個是國人期待已久但是也跳票非常久的法案第二個部分是棄保潛逃罪新的政府有沒有要延續推動目前還是在行政院在審查法務部也送到行政院這一次是最近的一個審查是在3月6日我們也是持續來推動"},{"start":2695.726,"end":2697.308,"text":"反案司法公正罪會不會持續推動?"},{"start":2714.048,"end":2738.843,"text":"有啦我跟部長保證在聯合國反貪腐報告裡面第二次國家報告裡面全部都有那但是可能還是要拜託部長要注意一下你們工作的進度這部分我沒持續這主要是司法妨礙公正罪章最好是棄保潛逃罪還有司法關說罪還有蔑視法庭罪嘛是嗎"},{"start":2739.503,"end":2740.764,"text":"本部持續推動這一立場,我想這個是沒有改變。"},{"start":2764.383,"end":2787.878,"text":"我們一定都有善意也願意給你時間所以今天大概是把幾個重要的方向先確定一下部長未來在推動施政的時候你基本上面新的政府的政策立場那今天是善意的希望部長說這一些事情推動的立法進度可能動作要快一點因為從2017年世界國會議到現在7年過去了吧時間夠久了"},{"start":2793.681,"end":2818.411,"text":"從2017年施改國事會議有結論到現在2024年7年當然過去這7年沒有順利的把法案交出來這個是上一任政府的事情上一任部長的事情也不是你的責任我不會把這個責任加在你身上但是既然剛剛你也說了賴清德總統在推動司法改革的時候政策是延續性的"},{"start":2818.831,"end":2819.612,"text":"最後有一件事情我想"},{"start":2843.038,"end":2867.183,"text":"可能法務部需要做一個重新的盤點所謂重新的盤點就是我們有一個偵查不公開的辦法上一次我在執行上一任的法務部部長的時候我把偵查不公開你們每一季每一季各地檢數全部都要做報告出來我把報告看了以後我發現只有數字"},{"start":2868.703,"end":2883.474,"text":"沒有什麼具體的內容那現在我今天質詢您絕對不是想要去追究你在北檢檢察長任內的事情那已經是過去了現在今天你是部長就做部長的事"},{"start":2884.755,"end":2899.904,"text":"但我是要用這些例子讓部長知道說您就任部長以後可能對於過去的地檢署在執行掙扎不公開的這件事情上面是不是有切實做到以及"},{"start":2901.195,"end":2918.322,"text":"您當過檢察長應該知道每個在哪裡怎麼樣真正能夠落實因為這件事情真的太嚴重了真的太嚴重了我們地檢署偵辦的內容常常成為某個特定的週刊獨家報導的內容部長你不會覺得很扯嗎"},{"start":2919.469,"end":2921.732,"text":"我再說明一次就是我今天絕對相信你說你會去落實"},{"start":2941.618,"end":2966.384,"text":"但要去落實這件事情可能要展現在具體的行動上以及實際的成果上這樣您同意嗎我會要求那個我會要求還是要嚴守那個發言人的一個制度是是是好最後最後可能要重新的去檢討你們每個地檢署在處理有關與偵查不公開收到投訴"},{"start":2968.078,"end":2985.89,"text":"收到檢舉或者是你們自己主動發現的時候有可能有違反偵查不公開然後以及最後的結果處理的結果是怎麼樣那個報告呈現的形式可能有必要再進一步具體化細緻化而不是只有一個表格只有一個數字你認同嗎"},{"start":2986.57,"end":2986.77,"text":"接下來有請選委員發會質詢"},{"start":3032.536,"end":3059.588,"text":"主席有請政部長有請政部長委員早部長早很抱歉今天我看很多委員大家都睡眼惺忪沒什麼精神不過今天對我們司法法制委員會來講這個我們政部長今天第一次到我們委員會來這個我想是也是一個非常對我們來講是一個非常重要的一個會議"},{"start":3061.638,"end":3079.096,"text":"所以這個過去部長在過去10年裡面在我們這個司法單位的表現我想大家這個有的成績我想在社會以及大家都有相當的肯定所以在這裡也對"},{"start":3080.629,"end":3102.045,"text":"也自然而然的會對部長這個在未來在這個法務部的這個相關施政上面會有相當大的期待所以今天這個我想看這個我們看到我相信所有我們司法法制委員會的委員今天在第一次都對部長大概是應該都是"},{"start":3104.039,"end":3122.23,"text":"這個期許大於這個質問因為這個大家都會希望說能夠信任新政也希望說能夠在我們過去看到的這個在相關法務部的相關業務上面的一些問題都會希望說今天能夠提早來跟部長來做溝通不過"},{"start":3122.93,"end":3142.916,"text":"在這個就相關的業務就教部長之前好像有一個比較我個人現在認為說一個未來可能對部長來講跟我們法務部有雙重相關的一個法條來跟部長來討論部長不知道有沒有注意我們昨天"},{"start":3144.593,"end":3159.017,"text":"跟這個上禮拜五在立法院大家在院會裡面從打成一團到昨天的這個冗長的這個這個議事進行所通過的有關立法院職權行使法第25條有關這個"},{"start":3163.126,"end":3192.032,"text":"所謂這個藐視國會的這個相關的這些規定我想部長不知道有沒有進行了解這部分我有了解有了解嗎包括昨天所惡讀昨天在沒有沒有經過討論之下惡讀通過的條文部長了解嗎這個這個藐視國會這我有了解有了解嗎那還有另外一個部分這昨天是一個部分立法院執行司法是一個部分還有未來可能在禮拜五或是現在目前已經排案但是還沒有審查的關於刑法"},{"start":3193.442,"end":3218.415,"text":"的這個141條之一的這個修正案部長也有了解嗎?是有齁好因為這部份跟部長有雙重相關啦齁第一個就是因為你就是接受質詢的對象啦齁所以不管今天不要說你是法務部啦齁你是農業部也是一樣這事情就跟部長會是相關的因為你們就是就是幾乎就是來接受立法院質詢最頻繁的人物啦齁那這個所以"},{"start":3220.583,"end":3230.542,"text":"相關的規定我想部長你一定要非常的了解這是第一重相關第二重相關就是未來假設修法按照國民黨跟民眾黨的版本通過的話未來這個相關的"},{"start":3233.513,"end":3260.528,"text":"的所謂藐視國會罪的罪者在刑法裡面不管是什麼部的部長最後移送也是移送到你們法務部對不對應該移送到檢察機關才對檢察機關嘛就是移送到檢察機關來也是你們也是跟這個部長也是這個有罪到所以我說你有相同的相關第一個是你個人部長身份接受質詢的身份第二個是你們未來就是這個法條的主管機關這其實就是主管機關是"},{"start":3262.566,"end":3280.611,"text":"所以我就跟你看好這相關的我們通過的這個第25條有關質詢有關這個所謂表示國會的相關規定第一個部分在昨天通過的第25條所以二讀通過的啦二讀啦昨天二讀的第25條第一項說質詢之答覆不得超過質詢範圍之外並不得反質詢"},{"start":3285.015,"end":3310.285,"text":"這條部長,你說你有了解,你應該知道有這個二十五條提案這些的內容你知道嘛,那我就要請教部長,因為我真的翻遍我自己也是念法律的,不過我翻遍所有法條,我對於這個反質詢這三個字我實在不曉得法律的定義是什麼,是不是在這裡要請部長一錘定音啊,因為所有部長都要在旁邊看啊什麼樣叫做反質詢啊反質詢這東西在法律上面沒有定義啊"},{"start":3311.718,"end":3337.598,"text":"我問委員說委員早安今天吃飽了沒有這算不算反質詢呢我說委員剛才你問的問題有沒有聽清楚能夠請你再說一遍嗎這算反質詢嗎啊這大家法律上面沒有定義反質詢所以大家一定要仰望我們法務部啦法務部來做一個解釋到底什麼是反質詢來部長請你告訴我們所有的公務人員因為刑法他們的所提出來刑法第141條之一是規範所有的公務員"},{"start":3341.348,"end":3363.665,"text":"所以要請部長現在告訴所有這些我們惶惶不可終日的這些公務員什麼叫做反質詢這個條文的內容齁那我想他構成要件他構成要件你要解釋啊你要解釋構成要件那我想這個構成要件我們會來再做一個解釋在反質詢內容因為如何去界定這個一個反質詢的一個目前有嗎目前的法律裡面有關反質詢的"},{"start":3365.543,"end":3393.247,"text":"的、的、的定義嗎?當然這個、這個要、要制定這個苗式國安政客立法院的一個職權那這個法案不是法務部提出來的齁我知道我知道所以但是未、但是未來未來就是、就是當這、當、當這個案件就是法務部要做解釋啦那我想這個我們內容我們會在整個反質詢的這個內容裡面你們未來會研議啦會研議會研議會研議的意思就是說現在完全不曉得啦"},{"start":3393.567,"end":3418.477,"text":"立法院通過一個莫名其妙的要我們這個法務部來研議什麼東西叫做反質詢齁到底這個立法的意旨在哪裡這個好像也搞不清楚啦齁那這個反質詢目前他們這個法草案裡面反質詢是跟你部長有關跟公務人員有關但是他是罰還啦齁他沒有刑責啦齁刑責的部分有齁刑責部分141條就是所謂做虛偽不實是陳述對不對部長"},{"start":3422.574,"end":3435.186,"text":"目前我們刑法裡面有關虛偽不實的陳述目前有相關的規定目前刑法裡面就是一個違證罪對違證罪對違證罪在168條違證罪有虛偽不實的陳述所以那在他們現在所提出來的說公務人員與立法院聽證包括聽證包括質詢"},{"start":3448.791,"end":3457.419,"text":"為虛偽陳述者處一年以下有期徒刑、拘役或二十萬以下罰金這部分配合這個立法院執宣刑事法"},{"start":3458.359,"end":3483.978,"text":"的第25條第9項說政府人員與立法院接受質詢為虛偽陳述者依法追溯及刑事責任所謂依法追溯就是要依這一條法嘛對不對部長是不是這樣假設假設禮拜五刑法第141條之一假設啦假設沒有通過那這25條這個立法院直接刑事法第25條第9項到時候移送到那邊你們要怎麼辦"},{"start":3485.644,"end":3505.2,"text":"這個移送到地檢署我想檢察官會依照這個來做一個做什麼做一個就是假設141號之一的藐視國會罪並沒有通過但是我們立法院執行刑事法通過了沒通過的話那地檢署就會不起訴處分嘛因為沒有這個裁法沒有這個處罰沒有這個因為我們這個法律還是要三讀總統公佈的這才是法律嘛"},{"start":3512.466,"end":3526.523,"text":"這個這個未來齁未來立法院假設移送的案件到我們地檢署說哪一個官員做不實質陳述所謂不實質陳述的認定他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要來採訪那麼過去的創博中．在本議內有很嚴肅．而且非常傾聽"},{"start":4553.513,"end":4582.445,"text":"說他反對匪奪私刑這是法務部堅定的立場我實在感覺聽了很感動因為加了百十七百趴的臺灣民意相當的符合可是我理解的往來先把你供去以外本身在這希望你可以這是到底是剉薄到個人的立場其實是他所說的是法務部的立場"},{"start":4584.755,"end":4588.145,"text":"我現在要慎重請教你,部長你的立場是什麼?針對會主施行你的立場"},{"start":4592.847,"end":4611.232,"text":"我想法務部的政策都延續性那法務部的立場在上次就該委員提的4月23日那個憲法法庭的辯論中我們那個講得非常清楚我們是主張實行這個制度是合憲的那這個立場我們目前都沒有改變有三次的解釋"},{"start":4617.393,"end":4618.474,"text":"法務部的立場是經過反對匯率施行嗎?"},{"start":4637.334,"end":4652.828,"text":"現在那個整個一個一個我們也是資訊實行的確是一個很嚴肅的問題吼曾成路委員所講的吼那我們有有些的所以你的意思就是你當他裁定下來我現在再問你比較明確的你現在集結之後太多很重要因為這不是你個人而已"},{"start":4664.144,"end":4667.667,"text":"這牽涉到會讀私刑班 因為生為真的未來 早期 未來 地安事件 未來 兇殺事件 會比現在還多的時候所有的負面的效果 變成是熱情的愛情談所以在這 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還在四五年 他們都可以中七九幾這樣抓不到你們現在辦的都在那技術喔真的因為我們國家為了要綠能所以 農資開綠燈全部的錢都在銀行辦的你們辦不到 不可能啊靠可能的辦不到 你跟我說在雲南中我"},{"start":5087.078,"end":5098.525,"text":"堅強相信你那個委員關心喔 我想 我會要求我們各檢察機關來 嚴加來我告訴你說差沒有 我告訴你 金 金流你賣3億 為什麼你收1億而已春年2億 為什麼不給你再來實價登錄土地對了 閉了"},{"start":5114.38,"end":5127.386,"text":"這對你來說是簡單的,對不對?你本人那麼年輕,有可能這個差不出來啦!要查到不查,不然不記得辣青特總統的決心?他在台南,去年3月15日叫台南市民進黨所有市長、立委都站起來!跟台南人合謀!為什麼合謀?因為他發覺外雙高潔很嚴重啦!"},{"start":5143.851,"end":5172.144,"text":"好 謝謝謝委員謝謝謝委員 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的有34.9%不公正的有55.5%請問一下部長對這個數字有什麼感想"},{"start":6240.616,"end":6265.871,"text":"這個是我對這個數據的取樣我是不清楚啦我去年公佈到現在已經吵了一段時間我不清楚那我想任何的數據都是這是民間司改這是一個可以參考啦可以參考那既然要參考的話就應該要提升嘛人民對司法的信任度我想我們對司改的努力這個是永不停歇啦好那再看下一張這個是比較嚴重的"},{"start":6269.498,"end":6293.649,"text":"檢察官是不是會受到政治力的影響八成五的民眾認為檢察官辦案的時候會受到政治力的影響這個數字就是本席阿特別對民進黨執政阿光是最近這四年 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書記官也沒那麼大膽啦"},{"start":11186.918,"end":11212.423,"text":"跟委員報告有一些案件不單純是調查局的同仁在處理有的時候是有多個單位一起來偵辦那當然但是就調查局而言我們絕對要求同仁遵守偵查不公開而且如果有發現有同仁違反的話我們一定是嚴懲可是你們就懲不出來啊我們常常看到媒體披露的部分就是筆錄你那個都是已經是偵查當中你連那筆錄都已經都照出來啊你不覺得這樣好奇怪嗎"},{"start":11216.66,"end":11237.898,"text":"跟委員報告,並沒有有筆錄外洩的情況,那個筆錄流出去那是當事人刻意去偷拍,那這個部分我們也贊助當事人的責任,我們有這個來報請移送給紀檢署來偵辦這個都要弄得很清楚啦,阿不然這個對司法來講的話,人家會質疑你,說唉唷你們刻意變成好像是打擊政敵"},{"start":11242.302,"end":11265.939,"text":"政治攻防到彼此都可以講但是涉及到民間企業我那就麻煩了那有時候影響到整個企業之間的一個競爭這個我覺得新部長上來這個要特別小心了這個這個次長你也很清楚啊我們這個討論的多久了好不好那局長請回那我必須要接下來要請教那次長也先請回"},{"start":11267.523,"end":11292.401,"text":"我必須要來請教部長的就是說國人對於政府的一個政策尤其是我們法務部有包有扁那其中在打詐這個部分國人不滿意的你應該很清楚這個部分國人真的是不滿意一直以來也都有很大的一個雜音都認為我們法務部檢警機關做得不夠要繼續去做努力小英政府"},{"start":11293.261,"end":11319.319,"text":"最後的半年裡面我非常清楚行政院提出這個打詐的一個專法那法務部也成立了工作小組同時在今年2月召開了三次的一個工作小組的一個會議邀請懲詐相關的機關去開會那這個部分我也非常清楚但是我要先救教部長就是說你現在對於這個打詐的態度跟法務部未來整體的政策的一個走向"},{"start":11320.075,"end":11347.646,"text":"會不會去延續陳建仁院長或者說我們蔡前部長的這樣一個方向目前打詐現在是打起詐欺車的行動剛才是1.5版那從1.0到1.5現在是要進入到2.0版那我想這個重點重點我們是這個打詐的一些的量我想是一直在累積中那我想這三期最重要的就是"},{"start":11348.286,"end":11362.379,"text":"在整個打造司法能夠立法通過讓我們這些在法制面可以給我們那個檢察官跟司法警察機構有更多的一些的偵查的手段以及嚇阻"},{"start":11363.56,"end":11388.237,"text":"整個一個詐團詐欺者的這些的一些的這些的犯罪的一個動機那另外另外我想這個我們在各而且各方面因為打在1005版也是四個面向去做處理那我想我們在做一個源頭管理這邊我們逐步去落實就譬如說我們那個那個虛擬貨幣的這部分我們現在已經推動了登記制了希望而且調取這個資料能夠更方便能夠讓這個詐團的這些的這些的"},{"start":11393.621,"end":11396.003,"text":"國人其實他的要求就很簡單有沒有辦法去遏止但是我覺得遏止不容易人們都要這麼討論趨利"},{"start":11416.704,"end":11444.234,"text":"要做多少人太多了啦刑法你去把他弄得很重的話在本席看來都未必有用反而是怎麼樣去加強快速的去破案來達到惡質的一個效用那事實上你在打造司法當中科技偵查跟保障法是4年前法務部就已經預告過的草案那些草案其實有爭議你也很非常清楚那過去最大的爭議就是說不符合法官審理同意後檢方或者司法警察機關"},{"start":11445.672,"end":11467.51,"text":"這個有院方必須要去做最後的一個裁決的過去的版本裡面你像比如說我們司法警察跟檢察官可以針對非隱私空間包括陽台還有庭院這些人或物必要時可以使用科技設備監看拍照甚至於錄音錄影跟案件無關的人你也可以去涵蓋去調查不需要向法院申請許可"},{"start":11472.805,"end":11487.275,"text":"人權基本保障要特別去小心比如說用空拍機累積超過30天才報請檢察官核准累積超過2個月才須向法院申請許可這些爭議點"},{"start":11489.588,"end":11514.89,"text":"當然你後來提出以後後來都有改善我們也都清楚了但是像在公共空間裡面檢警在收證的時候只能連續20小時或者共計兩天超過的話這個部分就是保留給法院那你這個M化車還有手機通訊監察部分那當然現在都是法院嘛都是法院嘛本席認為法務部的查案其實已經有很大的一個改善了"},{"start":11515.53,"end":11527.2,"text":"所以我想請教部長說這四個已經送到立法院的打詐專法裡面你認為有沒有需要再修正的地方還是會用法務部現在你現行的版本"},{"start":11529.776,"end":11550.428,"text":"打造司法行政院都已經審查通過了那近期應該會送到立法院來審議了那我們想這個版本我們這已經經過多方的一個討論廣大意見已經形成了那剛才委員有提到就是有關人權有疑慮這邊我們拿掉像木馬城市那邊也都拿掉了"},{"start":11550.988,"end":11554.309,"text":"施法法制委員會本來是最冷門的委員會但這一屆全部都是明星來這裡亂了也有灰也有很多我告訴你很簡單誠懇"},{"start":11572.622,"end":11582.36,"text":"很務實我相信不管各黨各派啊大家到最後都還是可以除了少數以外啦大家都會把你們倒上庭嘛你是國家的門面"},{"start":11583.752,"end":11603.522,"text":"你說強力去做一個執法打擊犯罪這本來就是你們最基本要去做的事情嘛要什麼樣的一個武器那確實沒有侵害人權餘力的國會這個地方倒是很好溝通一個地方最後要請教的就是說本期在針對上週排審的階幣者保護法裡面我也提出一些疑問"},{"start":11604.542,"end":11626.897,"text":"在去詢問整個法務部那在第10屆法務部跟行政院都有邀集各民間還有去討論那從整個接避者法務法裡面你看到立法的一個嚴格早從101年聯政署那個時候開始立法研究到105年小英政府上來也開了很多的一個會議"},{"start":11627.757,"end":11650.641,"text":"到了108年行政院通過了這個接避者保護法草案並送到立法院但是因為藉其不連續但是我想請問的就是說目前對於接避者保護啊政府的整體的政策到底是怎麼樣是不是延續先前的公部門先行私部門的部分行政指導的部分的方向去做"},{"start":11659.434,"end":11671.023,"text":"公部門公部門這部分的確是沒有比較沒有爭議比較有共識的老小有共識的部分先做先做那四部門因為我們國內的企業有大中小企業尤其我們中小企業高達"},{"start":11673.364,"end":11689.498,"text":"這部分的確爭議性大家各方意見分層那我們希望一個法案能夠有可行性要廣納意見那我想這個部分我們可以再做行政指導就跟委員剛才所講的就行政指導我們先行"},{"start":11689.918,"end":11691.219,"text":"最後其實也鼓勵我們新的政部長未來你要面臨的狀況"},{"start":11714.652,"end":11714.772,"text":"法定人數不足"},{"start":11734.762,"end":11746.887,"text":"說服朝野說服民眾啦加油啦好謝謝委員謝謝莊委員謝謝曾部長接下來有請徐委員欣迎質詢徐委員欣迎徐委員欣不在有請吳釗緯中線質詢"},{"start":11766.411,"end":11793.84,"text":"好謝謝那我們麻煩部長還有次長有請鄭部長以及黃次長委員好部長好次長好我想說因為我自己來這邊三個多月我以來我的質詢我不會去做無理的質詢因為畢竟我們對這些對檢查業務應該算是熟悉所以我質詢會都是針對我覺得針對有問題的地方然後大家來做討論"},{"start":11798.326,"end":11822.744,"text":"現在我這邊我想先提一個東西因為我到這邊來比較辛苦一件事是常常要幫大家上法律課那我在這邊也要再提醒一個東西要再幫各位委員上一次法律課就是剛剛因為吳世耀委員他有提到一個點而且是對部長說那我個人認為那個是違反現行制度的所以我這邊要提醒一下就是說他剛剛吳世耀委員確實有提到"},{"start":11823.825,"end":11831.257,"text":"我們在審查立法自宣新司法昨天就立法部分有有就47條48條去討論嘛那因為他剛剛講的一個點說"},{"start":11837.09,"end":11838.591,"text":"違憲與否不是法務不認定"},{"start":11856.707,"end":11879.484,"text":"沒問題 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立案審查這個以杯檢為例可以消化兩成多的一個"},{"start":12763.214,"end":12790.791,"text":"案件所以北檢可以檢查可以集中這些心力這些能量去辦更有更大的一個犯罪那我想這部分有做一個比較有效性的當然還有很多的一個制度包括我們一些的AI智慧的一個輔助系統我想都可以幫助我們檢查減少這個這些案件那另外還有檢察官助理檢視官的一個一個人員的增補我想可以分擔一些的工作那我想可以做的很多包括管考等等"},{"start":12791.631,"end":12809.963,"text":"這個可以再來努力,謝謝委員關心,我想檢察官還有我們檢察機關都很高興謝謝部長,我也希望部長您能以一個過來人的身份來體恤我們這些檢察官由您的部長的這種帶領之下,重新讓我們法務部有一番不同的氣息"},{"start":12812.762,"end":12829.638,"text":"我們現在有許多的這個機關首長都會在社群媒體上和民眾有一個直接的互動那除了重大的這個政令宣導之外也能夠讓民眾瞭解到我們部會的這個日常的業務那我看到在臉書上大部分的這個內閣都已經有開這個粉絲專頁"},{"start":12833.041,"end":12859.039,"text":"可是我們法務部好像只有經營這個IG那民眾很多的資訊來源還是來自臉書司法院也常常在粉專上分享時事和普及這個法學知識那我想請教我們部長是不是也考慮在臉書上開一個我們這個法務部或是您的這個粉絲專頁能夠讓民眾來知道我們法務部在做什麼也能夠將我們的政策盡速的傳達給民眾"},{"start":12861.36,"end":12883.428,"text":"謝謝委員的提醒我們回去看看我們這部分有沒有辦法去做一個粉絲專我想可以把這些我們這些的檢察官還有我們法務部同仁的各項的一個政策亮點以及執行的一個成效包括我們保護被害人這部分司法保護這部分我們把這亮點我們再來用這些委員所提到的這些我們再來努力"},{"start":12884.548,"end":12913.147,"text":"另外就是我們最近在網路上有一個新型態的這個詐騙手法我想跟部長您來討論就是有不肖份子他假冒宜蘭國際這個同萬節的名義來開設一個粉專並且利用這個提前報名獲得禮券的優惠或是抽百萬好禮等字眼甚至還有模仿活動官方的這個活動發布一模一樣的公讀生招募的訊息誘導民眾加入這個LINE"},{"start":12914.428,"end":12914.448,"text":"委員會議員"},{"start":12933.983,"end":12959.685,"text":"行騙各自的行為通常會希望要求平台業者競速協助下架詐騙的廣告相信我們這個主要的平台也都有負有這個社會的責任一起在打詐可是我想請教部長就是說有關這個即時下架詐騙廣告的機制目前執行的成效如何那大部分都已經能夠在短時間內下架嗎"},{"start":12961.246,"end":12961.266,"text":"請次長"},{"start":12978.007,"end":12995.505,"text":"各位報告在打詐專法裡面就這個投放廣告部分他有設一個專門的規定在打詐專法通過之前我們現在投信投顧法就這一個投資廣告就有一個機制所以向司法檢查機關投訴司法檢查機關可以跟相關的廣告業者進行下架的程序"},{"start":13002.104,"end":13011.637,"text":"從業務部的報告看起來我們至少在台灣的主流使用平台上包括Meta還有Line還有Google上面"},{"start":13012.397,"end":13033.322,"text":"業者都比較積極配合那如果今天我們使用的這個平台不是我們的主流這個跨國的網路平台例如現在年輕人很多使用的這個抖音還有小紅書這些平台上面有詐騙的這個資訊能否同樣要求業者來協助下架或是有跨國之間規範上的困難存在"},{"start":13034.062,"end":13062.517,"text":"有沒有好 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