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我們是20算42024的EPS多少4EPS4啊"},{"start":308.991,"end":328.264,"text":"你確定?ELTS是1.75,對不起EPS是4啊?1.75,抱歉4跟1.75差蠻多的耶好,抱歉如果你可以一下子重複到4,你可以得諾貝爾經濟學獎是嘛齁?是2025在你主任之下1.75,你剛剛也講錯了我是你的話來...跟你的話,你聽說是1.75"},{"start":335.751,"end":362.032,"text":"那1.75是比1.51還好就是說你上任之後這個你什麼時候接任的9月9月好這個去年2023是1.51你到你接任之後1.752025的時候呢您就是今年您的期許呢我的期許啊我的期許就是越來越好就是要就是要打破就是那個2024的紀錄達到4"},{"start":367.158,"end":388.864,"text":"好,有2就好啦,我就對你覺得非常感謝,而且對你非常肯定好,謝謝,謝謝蔣董事長接著,請教一下那個湯董事長董事長,這個我一樣的問題請教你啊這個煙酒公司有它的問題,你覺得在你上任之後,必須要最急迫解決的問題是什麼?"},{"start":390.546,"end":419.171,"text":"加熱源要通過加熱源要通過加熱源要通過不是我的業務是衛環委員會衛福部的這個部分每個人都有不同的看法那你的EPS你的績效去年的EPS多少大概一塊錢去年一塊錢一塊錢那你上任之後你覺得你今年的目標呢向上提升也是要到市是不是"},{"start":420.644,"end":427.51,"text":"這個是我們的目標你還是可以得到諾貝爾經濟學獎最後一個30秒的問題謝謝 謝謝兩位董事長這個關務署關務的檢查實務啊我們港口機場都是關務人員 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