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施壓的那個高院的行政庭庭長司法院有做任何處分嗎"},{"start":582.538,"end":609.039,"text":"還是司法院要告訴全體全國高院的法官以後大家都可以施壓有樣學樣沒有關係司法院不會管來請司法院表明立場有關於這個部分呢就是司法院做過調查之後呢那個調查報告我看啊那個受訪的法官說什麼被問的法官他是不是說他覺得被施壓調查報告你有看嗎"},{"start":610.752,"end":628.899,"text":"有閱讀了對啊那個被施壓的法官說什麼說沒有啦 廠長只是關心我他沒有施壓啦那個法官是這樣講的嗎還是他覺得很不舒服被施壓那法官怎麼說的那個"},{"start":630.669,"end":660.021,"text":"就那個紀法官他當時就是第一個時間點的那個因為他接到那個電話據他所說那個接到電話的時候時間很短那後來的時候呢他的審判長也有再去求證那可能是雙方對於這件事情的解讀這樣子就輕輕帶過去了雙方的解讀不一樣法官覺得被施壓庭長說我只是去關心我們追求司法審判獨立多久了"},{"start":661.26,"end":689.43,"text":"台灣喔 台灣人追求司法審判獨立多久了沒想到以前中國國民黨一黨專政搞的事情啊在民進黨推動司法改革以後繼續上演可以湊成這個樣子更離譜的事情是什麼 就這張圖仔細看當初被施壓的法官他說要電子監控結果呢結果人家心灰意冷不如歸去啊他把法官給辭了"},{"start":691.257,"end":719.538,"text":"非常優秀的法官他不幹了他不幹了可以這樣施壓我沒有任何的結論司法院沒有任何的作為這個法官不幹了結果不幹了非常厲害換另外一個法官就是這個法官解除電子監控的結果中文字很厲害中文字找的律師都很有來歷"},{"start":721.304,"end":749.498,"text":"幫他解除電子監控的那位律師 邱昌宏律師之前是不是最高法院的院長是吧洪昌宏對 洪昌宏律師最高法院的庭長他庭長嘛 是邱宗義是不是他的庭員在統一庭 沒錯沒有錯嘛 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