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家都會認為他很有勇氣，反而在臺灣自己本地不能講這個？我真的不曉得為什麼！"],["張委員雅琳：我希望部長可以思考這問題，這問題可能會影響到接下來……這幾年其實有越來越多的韓國明星來臺灣表演，如果我們自己臺灣的公司都對我們自己的粉絲做這麼多嚴格的思想審查，我覺得未來可能有機會讓中國有漏洞可以鑽。所以這部分是不是可以一併考慮跟思考？"],["李部長遠：是、是。"],["張委員雅琳：接下來還是要延續追星族的權益，我想在今天質詢完之後，部長應該會認識非常多的韓團。這是BTS，不知道部長聽過BTS嗎？BTS的j-hope要來臺灣開演唱會，3月時開放了三天時間購票，一下子就秒殺了，這讓我覺得黃牛票議題非常嚴肅，因為接下來GD也要來臺灣，GD是另外一個團。針對這些天團，我們看到社群上有這句話：本次委託提供預購碼的買家全部成功進場，百分之百出貨率，這是不是黃牛行為？"],["李部長遠：這個算不算黃牛……"],["張委員雅琳：還是沒關係……"],["李部長遠：像網路上這樣的東西，我們真的不曉得要怎麼……"],["張委員雅琳：可是他講的是提供預購碼的買家都百分之百出貨，代表百分之百買到票。問題是票已經秒殺，很多人搶不到，他竟然說如果你還是很想進場的話，可以注意我們的貼文。這不是嗎？這一定是啊！因為可以代購，而且還保證絕對入場，這絕對是黃牛行為！現在黃牛非常挑釁，因為他們根本不怕被抓，為什麼？我從去年開始就一直在關注這個議題，對於所有追星族來說，最希望的就是能跟他的偶像見上一面。所以我們必須確保機制，讓每個人都有公平購票的機會！可是針對黃牛票檢舉的成效其實非常低，部長可以看到，加價轉售收受檢舉8,424件，成案率只有26.3%，用不正方式收受檢舉的有521件，成案率只有2.3%，所以我們總共收到了將近9,000筆的檢舉資料，只有不到25%、只有大概25%可以檢舉成案。最主要的原因是，簡單來講，這是我自己歸納的，我覺得是檢警根本要不到社群平臺後臺的資料，而且也很難以提供，就是這些不管是購票的人也好，或者是平臺方到底願不願意提供log，我覺得也是一個很大的問題。","去年其實我在那時候有針對，如果當民眾要檢舉的時候，這邊你可以看到綠色框框裡面，當他要檢舉的時候，其實民眾是很難拿到log資料。當時文化部是給我回復，王次長當時是回復說，他們會跟平臺方來索取，只要我們有票券的號碼或流水紀錄的話，我們就可以跟他要，就可以真正找到這個買票的人。當時我有說好，但我還是希望你們可以跟民眾加強說明，可是一年過後了，對於一個檢舉民眾來說，我看完我還是要提供這個log資料啊，這是你們檢舉網站檢舉的頁面，上面還是沒有告訴他，我們是可以來協助的，只要提供部分的資訊就可以了。您可以看一下，這上面文字是這樣寫，不管是檢舉要提供哪些資料都有寫說需要提供平臺的名稱、藝文表演活動資訊跟操作歷程紀錄。所以我覺得這對民眾來說，他並不知道只要有流水號就可以檢舉了，可以說明一下嗎？可以回復一下嗎？這部分要如何讓民眾可以知道。"],["李部長遠：這個部分真的只有加強宣導，關於黃牛，從去年到今年，我們已經做了很多的方式，譬如說，我們跟地方的一些場館，他們本身能夠掌管到演唱會申請的單位，尤其是六都，跟他們一起來想出一些……"],["張委員雅琳：部長，其實我想要要求兩件事情啦，第一，這個檢舉平臺上面是不是可以更清楚地讓民眾知道，他只要提供流水號就可以去檢舉，他不一定要提供到這麼完整的log資料？因為這是去年你們告訴我的，或是說你們是不是一定要……"],["李部長遠：我請司長回答好嗎？"],["吳司長宜璇：委員好，關於委員所提這個部分，我們會在頁面上，因為我們最近也正在改版，有一些說明的部分會再講清楚。其實基本上，在一般加價轉售的檢舉案上，確實我們會需要的是目前上面列到的票券的流水號碼，log其實基本上，一般民眾確實是不會有，他是所謂的不正方式，所以這個部分，我們會提醒……"],["張委員雅琳：沒錯，我懂，所以我的意思是說，你們就應該要做一些刪除嘛，因為你這樣加下去，就會變成他必須要，如果我是一個民眾，當我看到的時候，我就會想說這樣我會沒有辦法檢舉，所以這才會造成我們前面的檢舉成案率這麼低啊！第二個問題，我們今天真的有辦法，平臺會給你這個log的紀錄嗎？他們真的願意嗎？因為對他們來說，商業模式我賣掉就賣掉啦，我根本不在乎這件事情，他們真的願意給你們嗎？"],["吳司長宜璇：跟委員報告，其實目前如果確實檢舉案件資料明確的時候，警方或者地方政府在跟售票平臺調的時候，像拓元這些他們其實會稍微配合。"],["張委員雅琳：稍微配合？"],["吳司長宜璇：對、對、對，基本上，其實還是會有售票平臺願意配合我們提供這些log，因為log其實……"],["張委員雅琳：所以聽起來好像有些是不會配合的嘛？"],["吳司長宜璇：我們其實有一直在跟他們合作。"],["張委員雅琳：好，沒關係，這個問題，因為我時間到了，我們約個時間來仔細地討論這個部分，好嗎？因為我覺得，如果我們今天做了一個這樣子的辦法，雖然我們可以罰他，我們有一些好像很高額的金額可以去嚇阻他，可是事實上我們真的就……從這個成案率來看，我們好像就是抓不太到啦，我們應該要怎麼樣子來精進，讓我們真正來照顧到每一個追星人，都可以跟他的偶像，用公平跟正當的方式來相見，好嗎？謝謝。"],["李部長遠：謝謝委員。"],["主席：謝謝張雅琳委員，部長請回。","接下來請郭昱晴委員。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":144,"meet_id":"委員會-11-3-22-4","speakers":["林宜瑾","柯志恩","萬美玲","林沛祥","劉書彬","葛如鈞","林月琴","陳秀寳","張雅琳","郭昱晴","吳沛憶","羅廷瑋","范雲","王鴻薇","洪孟楷","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","吳思瑤","高金素梅","李坤城","蔡易餘","葉元之","林倩綺","徐欣瑩","陳培瑜"],"page_start":75,"meetingDate":["2025-03-27"],"gazette_id":"1143201","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1143201_00003"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第3會期教育及文化委員會第4次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"邀請文化部部長李遠列席報告業務概況，並備質詢","agenda_id":"1143201_00002"}}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}