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謝謝洪孟凱委員的發言接下來我們請登記第二號李昆城委員發言"},{"start":2057.722,"end":2061.084,"text":"響鐘"},{"start":2064.214,"end":2088.394,"text":"謝謝韓院長那也謝謝今天我們卓院長還有率領我們所有的這個內閣團隊今天是第一次到立法院來做這個施政報告那我也希望說在野黨包含國民黨還有民眾黨那等一下能夠以理相待讓我們的卓院長能夠順利的這個來立法院做施政報告那我剛剛也看了這個施政報告那卓院長在最後也提到呢"},{"start":2088.934,"end":2108.988,"text":"希望最後朝野能夠和解共生兩岸和平共榮與民主夥伴國家合作共贏。合作共贏我們也希望除了行政院跟立法院要緊密的合作之外當然在立法院內部我們自己也要做好應該做的本分"},{"start":2109.668,"end":2136.169,"text":"然後這個本週剛剛通過的這個立法院職權行使法其實不論是在國內的媒體或是國外的媒體大部分都認為這一部的這個法案對人民的權利有受到侵害那所以呢我們也支持行政院來提復議那是後來有這個利用釋憲的這個方式由大法官來做這個解釋因為裡面有部分侵害到人民權利的條文已經違憲了"},{"start":2137.33,"end":2154.632,"text":"而且在這個金融時報上面也提到這個在這個這部法案呢立法案職權行使法呢為中國對台灣的滲透創造了機會然後對台灣也進行了滲透擴張了自身的權利而且法案的內容呢非常的草率"},{"start":2155.353,"end":2174.296,"text":"而且被國民黨民眾黨用來進行政治的鬥爭來削弱民眾對於立法機關的信賴而且也破壞了過去30多年來民眾對於民主制度的信心這是金融時報所寫的然後經濟學人上面有提到"},{"start":2176.874,"end":2198.811,"text":"國會擴權法案被由與中國友好的國民黨和民眾黨來推動。部分民眾擔憂遭出賣給中國。而且相關的紛爭也會妨礙總統賴清德的施政。臺灣的治理未來的施政也會造成功能的失調。"},{"start":2199.952,"end":2224.843,"text":"那這個是經濟學人還有金融時報他們所寫的那我想這不是一般的這個坊間的這個什麼卡提諾頻道啊之類的評論那我是希望說這個政協黨也能夠聽聽外媒對於這一次立法院職權行使法一些擴權一些侵權的行為對於臺灣人民的傷害那我也要再次謝謝"},{"start":2225.963,"end":2227.124,"text":"謝謝李坤城委員的發言接下來請登記第三號徐宇珍委員發言"},{"start":2273.496,"end":2280.18,"text":"院長、卓院長及內閣團隊以及所有的立院的同仁大家早今天我要替我們的旅遊業者發聲"},{"start":2282.15,"end":2304.208,"text":"在這邊我要嚴厲的批評政府在兩岸政策上的反覆無常和對旅遊業者的無情打擊。今年1月31號交通部宣布3月1號將解禁兩岸的禁團令開放臺灣的團客到大陸觀光。然而僅僅一週後的2月7號兩岸的禁團令就被取消。"},{"start":2305.926,"end":2329.281,"text":"政府也突然通知旅遊業者不准再接新的附入旅遊團,只允許3月1日到5月31日之間的團體人肯出團,但6月1日之後的旅遊團就不能再稱團。更令人憤怒的是昨天政策又在轉彎,卓院長才示開放6月1日前規劃的旅行團可繼續執行,但又不是全面的解禁開放。"},{"start":2329.841,"end":2350.098,"text":"照令細改的政策,不僅讓旅遊業者無所適從,更嚴重地損害了他們的經濟利益。旅遊業者為了響應政策,投入大量的資源和心血,期待能夠在解除禁令之後能夠重新開展業務,恢復生計。然而政府的政策變動如同晴天霹靂,"},{"start":2351.139,"end":2365.137,"text":"打亂了業者和旅客的暑假計劃。難怪旅遊業者會說是在凌遲他們。政府的這些舉動看似在照顧旅遊業者,實際上根本無法真正的幫助到他們。僅36個小時的轉換時間能夠幫助業者多少呢?"},{"start":2370.023,"end":2388.313,"text":"多兩萬人出團對臺灣整體旅遊界來說不過是杯水車薪,看似照顧業者,實則背後插刀。為了賴清德總統的臺獨大夢,不顧人民的死活,用人民的血肉之軀去換取其建國獨立的幻想。"},{"start":2389.232,"end":2410.079,"text":"唯有穩定的兩岸交流才能真正帶來和平與穩定。政府朝三暮四的政策將旅遊業者當成猴子在耍,不僅讓兩岸的旅遊業者無所適從,更是對兩岸關係的嚴重破壞。這樣的政策既無法改善兩岸關係,也無法保障旅遊業者的權益。"},{"start":2411.9,"end":2419.208,"text":"在這邊也希望卓院長能夠為人民謀福祉不要再犧牲廣大旅遊業者的權益"},{"start":2421.087,"end":2445.297,"text":"在這邊我要再次的呼籲卓院長停止招令細改毫無章法損人不利己的政策不要讓政黨意識形態和選舉利益凌駕於人民福祉之上多方的聆聽旅遊業者的心聲拿出實際的行動制定穩定可行的兩岸觀光旅遊的政策積極的謀劃兩岸的和平發展"},{"start":2448.318,"end":2449.94,"text":"謝謝徐以貞委員的發言。接下來請登記第4號圖權級委員發言。"},{"start":2481.778,"end":2501.618,"text":"副中央窮地方才化法修法刻不容緩海院長卓院長各部會所長我們各位立委同仁還有媒體先進朋友大家好財政收支劃分法25年聞風不動到了該大幅調整的時候了"},{"start":2502.259,"end":2531.476,"text":"才化法早已成為一個施衡的分配機制。就本席了解,假設一對夫妻生了一胎涉及在桃園,可以領到3萬元的生育津貼。但如果今天這對夫妻如果涉及在臺北市,卻可以領到4萬元的津貼,為什麼相同的社會福利政策,不同的縣市卻有如此大的不同?"},{"start":2532.156,"end":2560.563,"text":"原兵就在各地財政狀況差異極大財政收支劃分法自民國88年修法至今將近25年未修法當初訂定由中央統一收稅再分給地方的機制多年下來現況卻是中央地方分配比例越見失衡80%中央拿走"},{"start":2561.283,"end":2561.303,"text":"：一、"},{"start":2577.603,"end":2602.762,"text":"以2024年中央統籌分配款為例桃園230萬人口統籌分配款六都倒數第二一般性補助款在22個縣市政府當中排名第17桃園市統籌分配款再加上一般性補助款可以說是六都倒數第一"},{"start":2603.522,"end":2628.813,"text":"而人均分配額算下來更是只有1.6萬反觀只有185萬人的臺南市人均分配額卻高達2.4萬高居六都第二名這叫創造全國第二生產總值的230萬桃園人情何以堪25年過去了"},{"start":2631.335,"end":2652.364,"text":"臺灣經濟結構大幅改變中央與地方的權限也有很大的變化原本只有北高兩都現在成了六都所以本席認為應立刻修正財政收支劃分法才能真正實現地方自治的理想謝謝"},{"start":2655.564,"end":2659.802,"text":"謝謝圖全集委員的發言接下來請登記第5號麥玉珍委員發言"},{"start":2680.387,"end":2695.914,"text":"韓院長、左院長、各位親愛的家人、大家早安。從78年開始到現在,新住民漂洋過海,加來臺灣將近60萬人,為家庭、為臺灣默默的付出,"},{"start":2696.554,"end":2705.821,"text":"在少子化的年代還養育了40萬個孩子新二代是臺灣土生土長的加工的臺灣人與臺灣民眾一樣共同為臺灣未來而努力"},{"start":2713.907,"end":2735.15,"text":"對臺灣的建設、科技、經濟發展、長照及文化交易等默默努力推廣及貢獻,深耕並認同臺灣這塊土地,讓臺灣成為最族群融合及最友善的國家,但是幾十年來為了融入臺灣相夫交子,"},{"start":2736.03,"end":2741.572,"text":"為新住民不斷的努力學習成為臺灣人我們做到了但是誰看見了學習學習學就要習我們已經學習了30年我們要畢業我們要工作我們要為臺灣付出我們要為臺灣貢獻我們要一個發揮的平臺建立一個讓新住民為臺灣民眾來服務"},{"start":2764.3,"end":2787.77,"text":"讓新住民為新住民發聲,讓新住民成為臺灣與世界的溝通橋樑,推動臺灣經濟,讓更多國家踴躍來臺灣投資,讓新住民成為政府的左右手,支援整合,減少社會問題,推動新住民的權益、平等、平權與法、"},{"start":2791.268,"end":2806.603,"text":"的法案與政策更能融入臺灣的民族與社會共榮共榮。希望卓院長支持推動新住民基本法立法盡快提出院版推動"},{"start":2807.584,"end":2825.013,"text":"行政院下成立新住民委員會二級機構來統籌跟協助新住民、新二代、僑生、移工等事務,讓兩百萬外國人安定生活融入臺灣,要立法、守法、經醫務。"},{"start":2826.394,"end":2844.646,"text":"希望政府正式新住民的需求積極推動我們一起培養人才留住人才為國為民服務盡最大的力量讓族群融合共同守護臺灣臺灣加油謝謝謝謝麥育貞委員的發言接下來我們請登記第6號吳春成委員發言"},{"start":2880.758,"end":2909.61,"text":"主席那個卓院長這個今天是我們新內閣第一次到國會來我們表示歡迎那希望我們展開國家的新氣象然後展望未來開創新局那因為今天我會輪到我總質詢我今天來謝題所以希望大家都是有一個準備"},{"start":2910.66,"end":2911.1,"text":"台灣進入超高齡的社會。"},{"start":2928.885,"end":2947.119,"text":"那這個臺灣是會以全世界最快速的速度邁向高齡化2034年臺灣一半人口會超過50歲2045年臺灣一半人口會超過60歲未來臺灣就是個超高齡社會但是我到立法院這四個月以來"},{"start":2947.679,"end":2963.175,"text":"我發現我們的各部會完全沒有準備完全還停留在農業社會裡面那現在所謂的高齡者全部都是戰後嬰兒草這一群人具有三個特質叫高壽、高智能、高資產"},{"start":2964.229,"end":2983.3,"text":"所以我們稱他叫壯世代不能用過去的老人銀髮族來稱呼他所以呢特別是這個扶養比這個因為高齡者被扶養的人高齡化越來越多因為少子化所以呢我們分母就支撐的社會力越來越小"},{"start":2984.293,"end":3013.301,"text":"到了2057年分子會大於分母這個叫一個崩潰的時代我到目前沒有看到政府有任何準備跟解方那這個是一個非常嚴重的問題那所以呢壯世代提出三支箭第一支箭叫PESRPersonal就是叫做個人的覺醒那就去絕世那這次我會邀請教育部跟文化部一起陪同上來然後第二支箭叫GSR就是government政府的解套"},{"start":3013.854,"end":3043.137,"text":"那這一次今天我也邀請衛福部跟勞動部一起上臺那第三支鍵叫CSR也就是機會我們會創造給下一代創造很大的長壽經濟的商機那會邀請經濟部跟金管會一起上臺其實壯士代這個議題我會推壯士代基本法那這個涉及所有的部會所有的部會幾乎都跟這個人口未來的一個浪潮有關"},{"start":3043.973,"end":3070.89,"text":"那過去往前30年臺灣最重要的問題是民主化但是民主化我們已經很成熟現在有點濫用了往後30年臺灣最重要的事情就是人口血的問題高年化跟少子化那希望我們的左內閣會正視這個問題這件事情是重中之重謝謝好謝謝吳春城委員的發言接下來我們請登記第7號楊瓊英委員發言"},{"start":3087.483,"end":3096.851,"text":"堅愛的院會主席韓院長、行政院卓院長所領軍的團隊、各位同仁、新聞界的朋友、楊卓英發言,卓地謀監控人民。"},{"start":3097.984,"end":3122.25,"text":"民進黨政策會執行長王逸川27日在政論節目當中得意洋洋的說經過基地台比對手機訊號發現青鳥活動519民眾的集會民眾黨的集會跟民進黨選前之夜的這個凱道支持者是不同批人年齡層也不同"},{"start":3123.598,"end":3152.604,"text":"立法院集結了這麼多的年輕勝利軍這是一個民主的展現但是如此大剌剌的揭露各自驚震了全國原來民進黨也有個佛地魔在監控著人民如同喬州歐維森小說裡面所說的老大哥隨時監控緊盯著你究竟王毅昌先生講的是大話還是真話"},{"start":3154.512,"end":3172.897,"text":"這幾天的審議,卓議院長,對於國家的信賴,這是民主的真諦,應該要給社會大眾一個交代,一個真相,事關著人民的個資、安全及國家的機器,是否真正地來掌控、監控的你跟我。"},{"start":3173.757,"end":3194.934,"text":"王一川先生應該要出面說明清楚政府再次強調卓議員長應該要交代清楚這些的個資到底從何而來人民要知道真相人民要知道真相監控人民個資在民主國家裡頭絕對是一個政治的大醜聞"},{"start":3197.045,"end":3207.398,"text":"原本想要辦的一個很好的執行長但是在秀出了大數據各自證明這些行動我認為玩過了火"},{"start":3210.418,"end":3211.018,"text":"主席主席"},{"start":3238.999,"end":3255.674,"text":"第一章的重點工作也就是到底國家有沒有監督人民如果最後證實這確定是國家機器真的控制了人民那就是遠比美國的水門案監聽政敵"},{"start":3257.625,"end":3258.546,"text":"謝謝楊瓊英委員的發言接下來我們請登記第8號羅志強委員發言"},{"start":3295.558,"end":3323.067,"text":"民主民主民進黨做主民進黨多數民進黨做主民進黨少數民進黨做主就像在過去這半個月我們在國會審查國會陽光法案國會改革法案我們都見識了民進黨是民主的洗禮"},{"start":3325.441,"end":3350.074,"text":"邱毅英委員在我們審查國會改革法案的時候打了羅志強一個耳光我沒有還手結果邱毅英說他要去驗傷有網友說羅志強你是練了九陽神功嗎自帶傷害反彈能力所以邱毅英打我他受傷"},{"start":3351.445,"end":3373.052,"text":"有網友說邱毅英是練了五臟六腑七傷拳所以打在羅志強的身上他自己震碎自己的五臟六腑可是我要說的是這種打人喊厭傷謝謝邱毅英就為民進黨反國會改革做了最好最好的詮釋"},{"start":3375.247,"end":3404.295,"text":"一路走來民進黨對於國會改革各種的謠言抹黑就可以用邱毅英這種打人喊厭商來做總結民進黨在過去我們審查國會改革法案過程當中打議事人員打警察打記者要搶主席台攻主席台傷害韓國瑜院長偷表決卡"},{"start":3405.632,"end":3433.627,"text":"非常民主很民主好棒棒可是當韓國瑜院長要求大家如果你今天不好好坐下來如果今天你把計票卡偷走我們只剩下議事規則裡面的舉手投票這個選項而已的時候民進黨說這個不民主當我們看到邱毅英"},{"start":3434.98,"end":3451.296,"text":"在主持前瞻的審查的時候三分鐘時間沒收發言沒收討論直接送出前瞻然後民進黨說這個很民主非常有效率的民主"},{"start":3452.776,"end":3478.113,"text":"可是我們在審查國會改革法案一場專報三場公聽會兩次委員會審查四次朝野協商四天在一場幾乎焦土式的審查他們說沒有民主所以我們看到是一個荒謬的民進黨式的民主打人喊燕商然後呢自己打自己"},{"start":3480.908,"end":3483.013,"text":"謝謝羅志強委員的發言。報議會現在登記國是論壇發言的委員均已發言完畢。現在休息。"},{"start":5514.79,"end":5536.565,"text":"報告委員會現在我們繼續開會。我們現在在一場二樓旁聽的是永和國小的同學。歡迎大家。好。委員會現在我們請秘書長報告出席人數。報告委員會出席委員61人已足法定人數。"},{"start":5538.514,"end":5556.946,"text":"因程序人會以本次會議議事日程草案送院會處理,現由黨團依本院議事成立,分別對本次會議議事日程草案提出異議,現在我們進行處理並截止收案。我們先進行報告事項部分,請議事人員宣讀黨團之提議內容。"},{"start":5559.008,"end":5573.023,"text":"本院臺灣民眾黨囊團針對第11屆第1會期第16次會議．事由．報告事項提議增列效表9-2如下列表是否有當進行公決。本院民進黨囊團針對立法院第11屆第1會期第16次會議．事由．報告事項"},{"start":5576.927,"end":5603.388,"text":"您請正列下表三首案﹚其餘照議事日程草案所列報告事項﹚質詢事項﹚行政院院長報告施政方針並備質詢﹚是否有當進行公決﹚本院中國國民黨立法院黨團﹚三度第11屆第一會期第16次會議﹚議事日程﹚請限列原列報告事項﹚正列下表議案共73案﹚及質詢事項﹚是否有當進行公決﹚宣讀完畢"},{"start":5606.045,"end":5625.251,"text":"請問院會對臺灣民眾黨黨團所提針列報告事項提通過有異﹖沒有異﹖那我們本題照案通過請問院會對民進黨黨團所提針列報告事項提通過有異﹖有異﹖有異﹖我們進行表決現在按鈴7分鐘我們發﹖請議事人員分發表決卡"},{"start":6072.571,"end":6095.78,"text":"報告委員會請各位委員就座請問有沒有表決卡沒有拿到的請就座還有沒有拿到好請議事人員再次確認報告委員會表決之前所有委員都到了我們今天正正前委員過生日我們幫他掌聲祝福一下好不好"},{"start":6104.646,"end":6120.552,"text":"請議事人員加快速度確認還有沒有哪位委員沒有拿到表決卡OK保安會現在針對現在針對民進黨黨團提議現有民進黨黨團要求記名表決"},{"start":6129.844,"end":6136.97,"text":"我們對民進黨黨團所提針裂報告事項提議我們記名表決贊成暗贊成反對暗反對時間一分鐘現在開始"},{"start":6216.861,"end":6222.251,"text":"報言會我們出席委員109位贊成50位反對59位贊成者少數民進黨黨團提議不通過"},{"start":6232.247,"end":6249.45,"text":"報告委員會方針委員會通過臺灣民眾黨黨團整列報告事項亦有納入國民黨黨團報告事項提議中請問委員會針對國民黨團所提報告事項提議通過有無異議反對有異議我們進行表決針對國民黨團提議現有民進黨黨團要求記名表決我們記名表決時間一分鐘現在開始"},{"start":6333.576,"end":6350.949,"text":"報告委員會現在宣布表決結果出席委員109位贊成59位反對50位贊成者多數國民黨團提議照案通過報告委員會本次會議是日程報告事項以及質詢事項照臺灣民眾黨黨團國民黨黨團提議通過"},{"start":6357.216,"end":6382.415,"text":"報告委員會我們繼續處理討論事項現在處理民進黨黨團討論事項提議一案請議事人員宣讀提議內容本院民進黨黨團針對立法院第11屆第一會期第16次會議一日日申引請增列討論事項6月4日討論事項僅限列案如下表示案是否有當進行公決宣讀完畢報告委員會針對民進黨黨團提議有無異議"},{"start":6386.96,"end":6391.667,"text":"有異議有異議我們進有異議我們現在進行表決針對民進黨團體現有民進黨黨團體記名表決我們記名表決時間一分鐘現在開始"},{"start":6476.221,"end":6484.585,"text":"報告院會宣布表決結果在場委員109位贊成50位反對57位棄權2位贊成者少數民進黨黨團提議不通過報告院會現在處理國民黨團討論事項提議案請議事人員宣讀提議內容"},{"start":6497.667,"end":6520.632,"text":"委員國民黨立法院堂團針對本次會議擬請5月31日進行施政院院長報告施政方針並備質詢。6月4日處理討論事項請先列如下表是否有當進行公決。宣讀完畢。委員會現在由浩委員聲明對剛才表決與國民黨黨團意見一致列入公報記錄。"},{"start":6523.115,"end":6534.132,"text":"委員會現在針對國民黨黨團提議先由民進黨黨團要求記名表決記名表決贊成無異議通過更正無異議通過"},{"start":6538.598,"end":6563.689,"text":"報告委員會本次會議一時日程討論事項照國民黨黨團體通過6月4日議程進行討論事項。報告委員會國民黨黨團體5月31日進行行政院院長施政方針並備質詢一、5月16日協商,定於5月31日星期五,邀請新任行政院院長、左院長等列席進行施政方針報告並備質詢。報告委員會"},{"start":6566.77,"end":6584.035,"text":"本次會議議事日程確定報告委員會陳穎委員聲明對剛才表決與民進黨黨團意見一致列入公報記錄報告委員會現在我們進行報告事項請秘書長宣讀第一會期第15次會議議事錄"},{"start":6586.963,"end":6593.751,"text":"宣讀另外案第11屆第1會期第15次會議．事由．時間。綜合民國103人5月24日上午9時至9時56分,4時7分至11時54分,下午1時30分至11時28分,5月28日上午9時至11時44分,下午1時至"},{"start":6605.363,"end":6620.752,"text":"十一、十四、九分、地點、本位、場、出席委員、萬元委員、美齡等一百三人、主席、院長、韓國瑜、報告事項、第一案、宣讀、本院、第11屆第1會期、第14次會議、事路、決定、確定、第二次、二期、九案、"},{"start":6621.672,"end":6647.079,"text":"則決定退回程序委員會重新提出實現事項：均退回程序委員會重新提出討論事項第一案第二案均決議修正通過其他事項一、主席宣告一項予以通過二、變更議程提議國民黨黨團一案予以通過三、延長開會時間提議國民黨團二案臺灣民眾黨團一案均予以通過四、民進黨黨團提出上位動議一案不予以通過宣讀完畢"},{"start":6649.438,"end":6675.471,"text":"報告委員會針對第一會期第15次會議一事錄並無委員或黨團提出錯誤或遺漏之處,作以下次宣告。第一會期第15次會議一事錄確定。報告委員會現在處理黨團甄列部分,臺灣民眾黨黨團提議甄列報告事項共9個案,均以列為國民黨團提議甄列第65至73案。所以,現在依通過之國民黨團甄列提案來進行處理,"},{"start":6677.448,"end":6704.411,"text":"請宣讀爭烈報告事項第一案。第一案本院委員楊中英等三十四人領據財政收支劃分法第八條及第三十七條條文修正草案請選一案。議事處意見您請回交財政委員會審查。宣讀完畢。第二案本院委員楊中英等二十四人領據植物責料事法草案請選一案。議事處意見您請回交經濟委員會審查。宣讀完畢。"},{"start":6705.507,"end":6734.194,"text":"違通過下一案第三案本院委員楊瓊英的26人聯聚私立學校法第62條條務修正草案請審議案一時初一屆臨時委員會交交務及文化委員會審查宣布完畢違通過下一案第四案本院委員柯志恩的18人聯聚兒童青少年福利與權益保障法第51條之一第99條及第102條條務修正草案請審議案一時初一屆臨時委員會交交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查宣布完畢違通過下一案"},{"start":6734.654,"end":6758.535,"text":"第五案、本院委員柯志恩等17人鄰居、身心障礙者權益保障法第60條之一條無修正財務請選一案,依次促進您請回家屋社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查,宣讀完畢第六案、本院委員牛許廷等19人鄰居、勞動基準法第17條條無修正財務請選一案,依次促進您請回家屋社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查,宣讀完畢"},{"start":6760.296,"end":6779.762,"text":"第七案,委員劉許廷等18人離聚,勞動基準法第27條及第27條之一條無修正草案請審議案,依系處意見,依請委員會將社會福利優先環境委員會審查,宣讀完畢。第八案,委員張嘉峻等18人離聚,公司法第387條條無修正草案請審議案,依系處意見,依請委員會將經濟委員會審查,宣讀完畢。"},{"start":6784.784,"end":6788.666,"text":"五、五月通過下案五、五月通過下案五月通過下案"},{"start":6809.116,"end":6831.753,"text":"第11案本院委員張家俊的30人連續就業服務法第46條條文修正草案請審議案。依次促進,依請回交社會福利及優先環境委員會審查,宣布完畢。第12案本院委員張家俊的16人連續國土計劃法第46條條文修正草案請審議案。依次促進,依請回交內政委員會審查,宣布完畢。"},{"start":6833.354,"end":6856.73,"text":"第13案：本會議員盧明哲的十七人聯聚是會繼續維護法第89條條文修憲草案請審議案．一時初見您請回交內政委員會審查．宣讀完畢第14案．本會議員嚴坤衡的20人聯聚警察人員人事條例第35條條文修憲草案請審議案．一時初見您請回交司法及法制內政委員會審查．宣讀完畢"},{"start":6858.231,"end":6880.713,"text":"第15案（北日委員王宏偉等29人聯聚．競選投資人及期貨交易人保護法第10條之一條無修正草案請審議案．一、四處議件您請會交財政委員會審查．宣言完畢第16案．北日委員王宏偉等20人聯聚．居服財國法第103條條無修正草案請審議案．一、四處議件您請會交交通委員會審查．宣言完畢"},{"start":6882.515,"end":6903.984,"text":"第17案．本院委員王宏偉等19人聯聚公務人員退休之前撫恤法第38條條文修正草案請選一案．一事出現您請回交司法及法律委員會審查．宣讀完畢第18案．本院委員王宏偉等22人聯聚就業服務法第46條條文修正草案請選一案．一事出現您請回交社會福利認證環境委員會審查．宣讀完畢"},{"start":6907.205,"end":6913.507,"text":"第十九案．無疑通過報告院會現在一場二樓旁盯的是桃園武林高中的同學我們掌聲歡迎下一案"},{"start":6931.055,"end":6931.635,"text":"無異議通過下議案"},{"start":6942.639,"end":6953.809,"text":"第21案本月委員賴世保的23人一句競選競議法第11條條文修正策請審議案一時出現您請回交財政委員會審查宣讀完畢無異通過下議案無異通過下議案"},{"start":6967.401,"end":6990.994,"text":"第23案（本會委員賴世寶的23人離聚,就業服務法第52條條務修正草原侵水一案,依次促進理行會教、社會福利、學生環境委員會審查,宣布完畢。第24案（本會委員林倩琦的23人離聚,原住民族教育法第24條條務修正草原侵水一案,依次促進理行會教、教育界文化內政、聯合委員會審查,宣布完畢。"},{"start":6992.535,"end":7004.781,"text":"第25案 委員委員林倩琦等18人的鄰居施令公期中的以上學校隊長條例第5條及第6條條務修正常請審議案。議事處議件你請回交教育及文化委員會審查。宣讀完畢。"},{"start":7006.601,"end":7030.369,"text":"第26案（本院委員盧仙怡等16人離聚醫療法第71條談判修正草原精髓案．一時出現臨請回交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查．宣讀完畢無異通過下案．第27案．本院委員陳清惠等17人離聚加持緊急分校實行約稅法第半條談判修正草原精髓案．一時出現臨請回交財政委員會審查．宣讀完畢無異通過下案"},{"start":7030.669,"end":7042.036,"text":"第20方案．本會議委員徐巧欣的19人理據．中小企業發展條例第36條之二條吳修正草人情水案．一線書件你請會將經濟委員會審查。宣言完畢。報告院會報告事項第28案現有國民黨黨團提議禁服二讀與相關提案並按協商請問院會有異議無異議通過下一案"},{"start":7053.188,"end":7076.064,"text":"第21、本會議委員徐曉欣的施求燃營具施效營養飲食公餐法草案請審議案．一、施出一件例行會交交給王花園會審查．宣讀完畢第30案．本會議委員王韻明的24燃營具增營管制法第26條及第28條等無修正草案請審議案．一、施出一件例行會交社會福利及熱身環境委員會審查．宣讀完畢"},{"start":7076.584,"end":7100.945,"text":"無異通過下議案．第31案．本會議委員林德福的27人聯聚．定議法第52條及第53條條務修正常請水銀案．一、事由．一、行會教．經濟委員會審查．宣讀完畢．無異通過下議案．第32案．本會議委員廖先祥的16人聯聚．都市計劃法第19條及第82條條務修正常請水銀案．一、事由．一、行會教．內政委員會審查．宣讀完畢"},{"start":7101.505,"end":7103.628,"text":"無異議通過下議案無異議通過下議案"},{"start":7115.923,"end":7139.102,"text":"第34案．本會委員張哲倫等17人離聚．不動採顧教室法第18條之一、第18條之二．及第46條條文修正草原侵水一案．依釋出意見．依請回交內政委員會審查．宣傳完畢。第35案．本會委員吳宗憲等20人離聚．情事訴訟法暫定部分條文草原侵水一案．依釋出意見．依請回交司法及法制委員會審查．宣傳完畢。"},{"start":7139.682,"end":7168.496,"text":"無異議通過下案。第三十六案本院委員零四名等二十三人連續警察職員認識條例第35條條文修正草案請審議案。議事處意見您請回交司法及法制內政兩委員會審查。宣讀完畢。無異議通過下案。第三十七案本院委員零四名等十八人連續學校法人及其所屬司令學校教職員退休輔學離職資解條例第八條條文修正草案請審議案。議事處意見您請回交司法及法制教育及文化兩委員會審查。宣讀完畢。"},{"start":7169.056,"end":7170.917,"text":"無異通過下案無異通過下案"},{"start":7194.031,"end":7214.678,"text":"第40案．北日委員翁曉琳的16人聯聚．《衛星廣播電視法》刪除第50條條文草案侵水一案．依次處理屆臨時會交交通委員會審查．宣讀完畢第41案．北日委員翁曉琳的24人聯聚．草案侵水一案．依次處理屆臨時會交司法及法律委員會審查．宣讀完畢"},{"start":7216.238,"end":7237.582,"text":"第42案．每位委員領驗所得20人領據公平交友委會組織法第4條及第5條條文修政策請申請一案．一、行政院院長報告施政方針並備質詢．一、行政院院長報告施政方針並備質詢．一、行政院院長報告施政方針並備質詢．一、行政院院長報告施政方針並備質詢．一、行政院院長報告施政方針並備質詢．一、行政院院院長報告施政方針並備質詢．一、行政院院院長報告施政方針並備質詢．一、行政院院院"},{"start":7243.123,"end":7253.785,"text":"第44案．本院委員．會員．23人聚．長期照顧服務法第42條及第44條條無修正常的侵水案．一、行政院院長報告施政方針並備質詢．一、行政院院長報告施政方針並備質詢．一、行政院院長報告"},{"start":7270.329,"end":7271.59,"text":"第46案．第47案．第47案．"},{"start":7294.778,"end":7317.442,"text":"第四十八案．本會委員臨月前等17人聯聚青年基本法草案清水一案．一致處理屆年期五會加入交務局王化委員會審查．宣讀完畢無異通過下一案．第四十九案．本會委員中央嘉賓等18人聯聚情勢訴訟法增訂部分條文草案清水一案．一致處理屆年期五會加入司法及法律委員會審查．宣讀完畢無異通過下一案"},{"start":7317.742,"end":7344.275,"text":"第五十二,本院委員陳冠廷等23人聯聚,國家安全法第四條及第八條條維修政策請選一案。議事主席,您請回交內政委員會審查,宣讀完畢。第五十一案,本院委員陳冠廷等24人聯聚,兒童及少年福利與權益保障法第46條、第46條之二及第94條條維修政策請選一案。議事主席,您請回交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查,宣讀完畢。"},{"start":7346.252,"end":7356.679,"text":"第52案．本院委員洪聖翰導釋6人聯聚醫療法第43條條文修正常情緒一案．一事處一件,您請回交社會福利及優先環境委員會審查．宣讀完畢"},{"start":7369.048,"end":7372.51,"text":"五一通過下案五一通過下案五一通過下案"},{"start":7394.045,"end":7402.487,"text":"第56案．本會議委員陳廷飛等16人聯聚領導建設條例第10條之一條維修政策及水案﹐一時初見你請回交經濟委員會審查﹐宣讀完畢。第57案．本會議委員陳廷飛等16人聯聚中小企業發展條例部分條維修政策及水案﹐一時初見你請回交經濟委員會審查﹐宣讀完畢。"},{"start":7415.871,"end":7436.031,"text":"報告委員會現有民進黨黨團針對報告事項第57案提議進覆二讀與相關提案並按協商。請問會議有無異通過下一案。第58案本會議由吳啟明的19人聘聚宗教團體以自然而然名義登記不動產處理正行條例第5條條維修正常請選一案。議事委員會將內政委員會審查宣傳完畢。"},{"start":7440.714,"end":7466.468,"text":"無異通過下一案．第59案．本院委員王美惠等17人內居、宗教團體以自然人名義登記不動產處理徵行條例第5條條文修正常請審議案．依次處理屆您請會將內政委員會審查、宣讀完畢．無異通過下一案．第60案．本院委員吳麗華等16人內居、平原地區學校教育發展條例部分條文修正常請審議案．依次處理屆您請會將教務及文化委員會審查、宣讀完畢"},{"start":7467.148,"end":7471.59,"text":"五、議通過下一案五、議通過下一案五、議通過下一案"},{"start":7493.962,"end":7495.924,"text":"五一通過下案五一通過下案五一通過下案"},{"start":7519.642,"end":7543.664,"text":"第65案．本月臺灣民眾腦腦團理局．期犯罪違害防止條例臺灣情勢因案．一時初前你請回交內政委員會審查．宣討完畢。第66案．本月臺灣民眾腦腦團理局．兒童及少年福利與權益保障法．23條及第31條之一條會修正臺灣情勢因案．一時初前你請回交社會福利機會政環境委員會審查．宣討完畢。"},{"start":7545.672,"end":7558.795,"text":"第67案．本月臺灣民眾囊囊團聆聚通訊保障及監察法部份條文修正常行水一案．一、行政院院長報告施政院院長報告施政院院長報告施政院院長報告施政院院長報告施政院院長"},{"start":7570.058,"end":7587.906,"text":"報言會針對針列報告事項第68案,現有臺灣民眾黨黨團提侵服二讀,請問院會有無異議?沒有異議,通過,下一案。第69案,本院臺灣民眾黨黨團聚勞動精選法第54條條文修正常精選案,依系處理前年請委員會加入社會福利決策環境委員會審查,宣讀完畢。報言會針列報告事項第69案,現有臺灣民眾黨黨團提侵服二讀,請問院會有無異議?"},{"start":7598.82,"end":7617.19,"text":"明議通過下議案。第72本月臺灣民眾黨老團領據《定性管理法》第9條及第40條條維修正常請審議案。依次處意見您請回交交通委員會審查。宣讀完畢。明議通過下議案。第71案本月臺灣民眾黨老團領據公職委員選舉報名法第32條及第43條條維修正常請審議案。依次處意見您請回交內政委員會審查。宣讀完畢。明議通過下議案。"},{"start":7624.634,"end":7633.081,"text":"第七十二案本院委員吳春晨等二十人聯聚所得稅法第十七條談吳修憲曹清水案一線書意見你請回交財政委員會審查宣讀完畢"},{"start":7636.035,"end":7640.797,"text":"為通過保研會本次會議報告事項記載於議事錄順序,授權議事處調整,現在繼續處理原列的報告事項,請繼續宣讀第二案。"},{"start":7658.39,"end":7673.677,"text":"第二案本院委員徐富奎等18人居地方制度法第233條條文修正常情緒案一線處議件你請會將內政司法及法治兩院會審查宣討完畢報告委員會報告事項第二案現有民進黨黨團體近乎二讀與相關議案並案協商請問院會有無異議"},{"start":7689.11,"end":7717.038,"text":"無異議通過下議案第三案本會議委員徐富奎等19人一聚道路交通管理處罰條例第12條解體15條條文修憲草案請水銀案一系處議見您請回交交通委員會審查宣讀完畢無異議通過下議案第四案本會議委員李戴化等18人一聚宗教團體以自認人名義登記不動產處理正式條例第5條條文修憲草案請水銀案一系處議見您請回交內政委員會審查宣讀完畢無異議通過下議案"},{"start":7717.378,"end":7739.734,"text":"第五案、本院委員黎代化等18年連續﹐地方民意代表費用之極﹐其尊領獎、稀物補助費、補助條例第6條條務修正草案請選一案﹐一期初見,您請回交內政委員會審查﹐宣讀完畢第六案、本院委員黎代化等21年連續﹐動務保護法第14條之一、第14條之二﹐及第30條條務修正草案請選一案﹐一期初見,您請回交經濟委員會審查﹐宣讀完畢"},{"start":7743.462,"end":7750.174,"text":"無意通過報告院會現在在一場二樓是臺北市京華國中的同學我們掌聲熱情歡迎"},{"start":7755.588,"end":7758.289,"text":"第七案．本月委員臨時提案．本月委員臨時提案．本月委員臨時提案．"},{"start":7777.654,"end":7799.432,"text":"第九案,本院委員李旦化等23人聆聚,多層次傳銷管理法第13條條文修正常行稅案,一系主席李景輝交經濟委員會審查,宣讀完畢。第十案,本院委員李旦化等18人聆聚,陳彥霜新條例第10條之一及第17條之一條文修正常行稅案,一系主席李景輝交經濟財政聯委委員會審查,宣讀完畢。"},{"start":7801.674,"end":7803.296,"text":"第11案．第12案．第12案．"},{"start":7825.734,"end":7846.223,"text":"第13案．本月5月羅廷委等16人聯聚陸海空軍軍官使館服役條例第39條條無修正草原侵水案．一時出現立行會將外交及國防委員會審查．宣讀完畢第14案．本月5月羅廷委等17人聯聚兵藏管領條例第21條之一條無修正草原侵水案．一時出現立行會將內政委員會審查．宣讀完畢"},{"start":7849.804,"end":7875.199,"text":"第15案（本院委員羅廷偉等16人臨時性別平等教育法第29條結定30條條文修正草案請審議案．一、四、初一屆理情會教育及文化委員會審查．宣讀完畢第16案．本院委員羅廷偉等17人臨時性別平等工作法增定第20條之一條文草案請審議案．一、四、初一屆理情會教育社會福利負責環境委員會審查．宣讀完畢"},{"start":7876.88,"end":7897.825,"text":"第17案．本院委員劉廷偉等17人連續《就業保險法》第14條條無休政策案請選一案．一期處一屆臨時會將無生活福利優勝環境委員會審查．宣讀完畢無異通過下一案．第18案．本院委員陳永康等18人連續《臺灣地區道路地區人民關係條例》第29條條無休政策案請選一案．一期處一屆臨時會將內政委員會審查．宣讀完畢無異通過下一案"},{"start":7901.946,"end":7921.686,"text":"第19案（本月5月零均限等17日連續青年金本法草案清水一案（一系處協議臨時會教教育及文化委員會審查（宣布完畢第二十案（本月5月前天非等16日連續宗教團體自案人民益登記不動產處理正式條例第五條條維修政策案清水一案（一系處協議臨時會教內政委員會審查（宣布完畢"},{"start":7925.958,"end":7947.928,"text":"第21案本院委員呈提委等16人聯聚, 詐欺犯罪危害防止條例草案侵水案,依次處解臨時委員會將內政委員會審查,宣布完畢。第22案本院委員王航維等17人聯聚,律師法第7條及第74條條務修正草案侵水案,依次處解臨時委員會將司法及法律委員會審查,宣布完畢。"},{"start":7949.389,"end":7960.217,"text":"第23案．本院委員王航維等17人鄰居警察人士涉條例第35條條務修正草案侵水一案．一系處議員臨時會將司法及法徵列准兩委員會審查．宣言完畢"},{"start":7960.745,"end":7961.606,"text":"無異通過下言無異通過下言無異通過下言"},{"start":7989.966,"end":8013.739,"text":"第26案．本會議委員鄭天才的二十二人聚．領導建設條例第十三條條文修正草案請水一案．一時初一屆您請回家用經濟委員會審查．宣傳完畢無異通過下一案．第27案．本會議委員陳素月的十八人聚．勞工退休金條例第24條條文修正草案請水一案．一時初一屆您請回家用生活福利及優勝環境委員會審查．宣傳完畢無異通過下一案．"},{"start":8014.48,"end":8014.66,"text":"無異議通過"},{"start":8025.196,"end":8048.044,"text":"下一案第二十九案本委員委員沈柏洋等18人聯聚情事訴訟法第二百四十五條及第二百四十五條之一條無修正財務請審議案一事出現您請回交司法及法律委員會審查宣讀完畢無異議通過下一案第三十案本委員委員需經營等17人聯聚計事法第十一條條無修正財務請審議案一事出現您請回交交通委員會審查宣讀完畢"},{"start":8049.921,"end":8068.068,"text":"第31案．本院委員嚴範寒等20人聯聚所能說法部分條文修正草案請申案。﹐一、四、初一屆臨時會議交財政委員會審查﹐宣讀完畢。第32案．科交委員會涵送財政法輪科交公共傳播基金會一百十二年度決算書案﹐一、四、初一屆臨時會議交內政委員會審查﹐宣讀完畢。"},{"start":8071.249,"end":8098.317,"text":"第33案國家科學及技術委員會橫送財團法人國家實驗研究院及財團法人國家同步服飾研究中心一百十二年度決算書案一系初一屆臨時會教育及文化委員會審查宣讀完畢無疑通過下議案第34案就一部橫送財團法人高等教育評鑑中心基金會等十家財團法人一百十二年度決算書案一系初一屆臨時會教育及文化委員會審查宣讀完畢無疑通過下議案"},{"start":8098.777,"end":8100.578,"text":"第35案．第36案．無異通過報言會請宣讀質詢事項"},{"start":8126.175,"end":8155.254,"text":"此序事項將行政院答覆部分、行政院韓總委員、吳議員、宗憲等所提質詢之書面答覆共5件。以本院委員質詢部分、本院常務委員、蘇越等向質詢提出質詢共3件。宣讀完畢。報告委員會我們現在要進行行政院卓院長的施政報告並備質詢。我們首先請卓榮泰院長列席報告。各位委員同仁我們熱情的掌聲來歡迎卓院長第一次的施政報告。"},{"start":8179.497,"end":8207.304,"text":"韓院長江副院長各位委員先進今天本人應邀至大院進行施政報告並備質詢這是憲法賦予我的責任深感榮幸而且責任重大我和行政團隊深刻的理解新政府的使命和人民的附託"},{"start":8208.988,"end":8237.7,"text":"我們將秉持誠意溝通人民至上優先的理念在互相包容跟珍重的基礎上做好溝通協調的工作展現解決問題的決心跟誠意實現賴總統創新繁榮公義永續以及民主和平台灣的國正理念近年來"},{"start":8239.161,"end":8263.79,"text":"我國面臨地緣政治的變化產業供應鏈的重組數位及淨零雙軸轉型世界的大挑戰所幸蔡前總統以及行政團隊能夠超前部署讓國家有了新的方向經濟典範移轉找回新的成長動能創造就業機會提升起薪"},{"start":8269.121,"end":8269.501,"text":"一九八九年開始"},{"start":8299.622,"end":8324.993,"text":"我服務公職三十多年來的公共服務這是我無悔的生命的立場我跟公共服務的團隊跟民眾一起建設城市也跟臺灣的民主共同的成長國家成功的轉型來自於臺灣人民共同用行動完成我們自己的夢想以創新帶來突破"},{"start":8326.803,"end":8353.91,"text":"接任行政院長本不是人生的規劃但選擇接受這一個職務我就必定全力以赴未來哪裡有困難我跟行政團隊都到哪裡去哪裡有問題我們就會想辦法來解決所以我和所有的行動創新內閣團隊的所有成員夥伴們會秉持這樣的精神"},{"start":8354.622,"end":8382.997,"text":"用積極的行動站在提出解放的第一線導入創新的思維提高政府的效能我們會以信心、誠懇、用心、戒慎的精神竭盡所能的為民服務、為國心力但是未來任何施政成果的進展都是貴我兩院共同的努力我們必須有良好互動的結果"},{"start":8384.107,"end":8409.387,"text":"我們一定可以為人民跟國家帶來新的期待。接著下來我們要守縱武打其安,不遺餘力地打擊黑金槍賭詐。我們會守護安定公益的社會,會在最短的時間內擬定新世代打擊詐欺策略行動綱領2.0。"},{"start":8412.692,"end":8441.287,"text":"並透過建制打詐通報查詢網這個可以立即就座的行政措施全面提升打詐的能量也請大院能夠儘速通過行政院所送請審議的打詐新釋法讓所有的執法同仁有必要的法律工具能夠遏止各種新型態的詐欺犯罪"},{"start":8442.952,"end":8471.377,"text":"此外我們心系花蓮震災的所有的花蓮鄉親為協助花蓮的鄉親早日回歸日常的生活我會親自擔任0403花蓮地震專案小組的召集人行政院也會整體重建經費會按照實際之所需要已經提高接近到300億元"},{"start":8473.55,"end":8500.947,"text":"希望讓民眾早日獲得救助慰問金、安簽及租金、利息的補貼、振興產業以及觀光旅遊、金融紓困等等的措施。0403震災復原重建方案,我特別指示,危老重建輔導團以及花蓮重建辦公室要發揮主動在地的精神,主動說明專人服務,"},{"start":8501.949,"end":8504.132,"text":"感謝大院過去的鞭策跟支持"},{"start":8514.281,"end":8538.432,"text":"期盼貴國兩院能本於程序正義以及依法行政的精神優先支持民眾所迫切需要而且無爭議的議題推動更多扶國立民的法案讓國家繼續的往前進。今天的臺灣不僅是亞洲的民主典範也是全球科技"},{"start":8539.164,"end":8563.775,"text":"重要的關鍵樞紐然而面對新的局勢國內外的各種挑戰我會帶領的行動創新內閣團隊以國家希望工程為藍圖推動國家進步回應人民的需求也增進社會福祉為下一個世代帶來希望。行政院所擬定的書面"},{"start":8567.032,"end":8593.292,"text":"書面施政的方針報告日前已經送達到大院進行參閱。針對既有的施政計畫本院將持續推動並提升預算執行的效能。那麼以下緊就國家希望工程八大施政目標跟重點工作做訛要的報告跟說明第一是擴大社會投資減輕"},{"start":8595.117,"end":8623.328,"text":"家庭負擔我一直一直在想政府如何對每一個國人一生的照顧首先要有國家財政的能力首先再來要有社會文明的共識接著要有政府政策的落實我們將從這幾個方面多面向的在托育、教育、照顧、居住、醫療、勞動各方面"},{"start":8627.062,"end":8653.771,"text":"加強社會支持體系透過普及跟優質跟可負擔的公共服務減輕個人及家庭的生活負擔所以我們從0到22歲投資未來世代這是一個重要的指標工作讓下一代從出生到成長都有國家的支持0到6歲國家一起養2.0首先是0到2歲的公托"},{"start":8654.901,"end":8683.492,"text":"補助的增加1500元達到7000元準公共公托補助增加4500元到13000元提供公立幼兒園寒暑假托育的服務延長托育服務的時間而且高中時全面的免學費以及私立大學學雜費每年補助3.5萬元公私率經濟弱勢的學生補助金也增加到2萬元"},{"start":8685.54,"end":8714.347,"text":"同時對年輕族群的心理健康的支持方案我們非常重視我們推動向下延伸到小學並且強化校園三級輔導機制制定青年政策白皮書同時也會籌集資金設立百億學生海外圓夢資金擴大投資高教及執教等等的研發發展"},{"start":8715.885,"end":8743.11,"text":"通過國際合作跟多元產業的人才培育支持青年提升雙語跟數位力全面的來提升教育品質而且政府會加速推動百萬租屋加戶支持計畫在2032年一定要達到25萬戶的社會住宅25萬戶的包租代管以及50萬戶的租金補貼"},{"start":8746.331,"end":8772.075,"text":"支持全國租屋民眾減輕負擔讓他能夠住得安心明年臺灣邁入超高齡的社會我們會推動長照3.0提高服務涵蓋率增加夜間社區居家照顧的服務也鼓勵企業能夠落實彈性工作安排住宿型的服務機構補助金額由12萬提高到18萬"},{"start":8777.185,"end":8803.092,"text":"串聯社區、居家、機構、醫療以及社府,形成一體化的照顧體系。同時也將完備社會安全體系2.0,是要強化兒少保護以及健康的促進,保障身障者的權益跟社區的支持,建構友善自主的高齡生活環境。"},{"start":8804.485,"end":8825.495,"text":"要使社會安全網更強韌另外要推動社會救助法放寬的修法放寬認定的標準使所有有需求的貧困或家庭都能得到救助的支持每一位工作者都是經濟發展的貢獻者我們將為勞工朋友優化勞動的環境"},{"start":8831.397,"end":8853.972,"text":"落實最低工資法提升基本工資持續的往上增加擴大投資加稅擴大推動加薪抵稅打造對中高年齡層家庭照顧者更友善的職場環境也強化非典型勞工移工的權益保障"},{"start":8855.356,"end":8880.043,"text":"政府會持續益助勞保基金我們承諾只要政府在勞保絕對不會倒第二項是創新經濟智慧國家我始終相信經濟發展當然是繁榮的指標但是公平分配才是文明國家的象徵"},{"start":8881.687,"end":8906.908,"text":"所以創新要能被有效率的學習科技的發展也要由全民來共享而我國的GDP已經從2016年的17.6兆增加到去年的23.5兆平均8年來成長率達到3.15是亞洲四小龍之首也是全球第22大經濟體"},{"start":8909.076,"end":8930.031,"text":"未來我們會透過產業創新、科技創新、金融創新以及投資人才創造下一波的創新成長繼續推動產業多元化的發展創造更多優質的工作機會促進包容成長政府將完成前瞻基礎建設第5期"},{"start":8932.134,"end":8948.828,"text":"並且以六大核心戰略產業為基礎,積極地發展半導體、人工智慧、軍工、安控以及次世代通訊等五大信賴產業,推動台灣成為人工智慧之島。"},{"start":8949.912,"end":8975.285,"text":"真正落實AI產業化,產業AI化。我們也要發揮既有的科技,以科技的研發應用在服務等跨領域的科技,帶動百工百業的轉型跟發展,發展護國的群山。台灣的產業,我們力足台灣佈局全球,行銷全世界。"},{"s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,{"start":10003.803,"end":10032.612,"text":"對於審議的過程是否符合程序正義提出一些的質疑以及針對許多的條文內容有沒有違反權利分立侵害人民權益違反法律明確性比例原則及正當法律程序等等國人提出的疑慮儘管在國會的內外已經窮盡各種的可能"},{"start":10033.629,"end":10062.671,"text":"但還是未能改變最後的結果。甚感遺憾。行政院是憲政機關我必須忠誠地守護憲法而依法行政當然也包含遵守憲法因此本次的法律修正案如果有違憲以至於自愛難行之處時"},{"start":10064.025,"end":10093.413,"text":"行政院會研議依照憲法所定的程序尋求救濟。上任以來我經常問自己人民最需要的是什麼國家最需要面對的問題是什麼而我相信這也是各位委員先進跟我心中同樣的課題經過這一次大院的修法過程我更堅信草也必須和解"},{"start":10094.295,"end":10116.685,"text":"和解才能共生才能推動福國利民的各項法案因此和解共生將是我們未來推動所有政務最大的動力賴總統在今年1月13號國際記者會跟520當就職典禮中再度提出兩岸應走向和平共榮"},{"start":10117.568,"end":10117.808,"text":"各位委員先進。"},{"start":10148.086,"end":10150.947,"text":"最後敬請各位委員不吝指教也敬祝各位身體健康萬事如意謝謝大家大家加油謝謝"},{"start":10199.005,"end":10214.018,"text":"報告委員會謝謝卓院長所提出報告在進行諮詢之前我們先做兩項宣告一、施政方針報告諮詢以疑問疑答方式進行每位委員尋答時間為30分鐘如果兩個議題進行諮詢每個議題為15分鐘採用聯合諮詢"},{"start":10225.731,"end":10237.436,"text":"一、其人數合併計算尋答時間,但不得超過3人。二、一登記次序輪到質詢之委員如不在場,亦放棄質詢論。採用聯合質詢時,其中質詢委員如不在場,亦放棄質詢論,尋答時間不予併入。"},{"start":10254.284,"end":10279.595,"text":"在進行質詢之前,我們先請祕書長報告部會首長請假情形。報告宴會,行政院來函衛生福利部邱部長泰元本日應公請假,由林鄭務次長敬禮代表列席。報告完畢。首先,我們請第一位質詢的委員吳思堯委員質詢。"},{"start":10292.745,"end":10319.474,"text":"在我邀請卓院長之前我想先跟韓院長做個報告很抱歉本席並沒有依照您那天所頒布的服裝儀容的規定我今天還是穿著我擅長也習慣的白色球鞋我想有幾個理由我過去在教育文化委員會我長期推動各級學校的服裝儀容要解禁所以捍衛身體的自主權我認為立法委員也是"},{"start":10320.424,"end":10345.434,"text":"第二、吳思瑤作為臺灣臺北時裝周的催生者臺灣的時尚就是最強大的國家軟實力現在最流行的就是運動風所以白球鞋、小白鞋是所有當代的女性最舒適也能夠彰顯專業跟優雅的打扮第三點"},{"start":10348.274,"end":10364.232,"text":"我也認為立法委員來國會問政不是上高級的西餐廳用餐尤其我是區域立委我服務北投天母我每天要請跑基層所以我必須穿球鞋"},{"start":10365.253,"end":10390.546,"text":"立委的工作是專業的問政、理性的監督如果國會的議事運作沒有辦法正常化大家穿得再優雅、再高貴我想那都不是重點所以三件事向院長報告我也替多數的立法委員表達我們共同的立場謝謝有請我們卓院長有請卓院長"},{"start":10402.318,"end":10417.809,"text":"委員好,辛苦了。今天我的主題行動創新AI內閣,有路咱就沿路唱歌,沒路咱聊天過夜,這首歌我們都能朗朗上口。是的。"},{"start":10418.437,"end":10438.492,"text":"這就是臺灣的處境我們都在創造那一條康莊大道但是今天一早中國又出招了又出手了中國再一次違反WTO以及ECFA的相關規範那片面的來宣布終止對臺灣ECFA134項的產品關稅減讓"},{"start":10442.975,"end":10443.516,"text":"任何對國家的人民跟產業有產生"},{"start":10468.696,"end":10497.777,"text":"傷害危急的時候我們手下做的是如何保護我們的人民跟產業以及適時的向國際社會透過正常的管道表達我們反對跟希望能夠更正的態度我也希望國際任何組織的任何成員們要能夠習慣要能夠適應在國際組織裡的生活不要隨便的去更改互動之間的規則這樣才能在國際間取得橫貧的地位"},{"start":10498.519,"end":10507.683,"text":"所以應當是陸委會也應當會有清楚的聲明來表達我方的不滿及抗議嗎?是嗎?我們請陸委會是,謝謝委員有關於這次中國大陸"},{"start":10512.901,"end":10540.215,"text":"再次以這個貿易制裁的理由違反ECFA說我們違反ECFA的相關的事由無理片面的宗旨我方134項ECFA找收清單關稅減占我們要在這裡表達強烈的抗議及不滿我想相關的後果應該由陸方來承擔"},{"start":10542.622,"end":10554.467,"text":"我想這種對臺施壓恐嚇的政治操作只會扭曲兩岸經貿原本互利互惠的發展方向阻礙兩岸在國際產業分工架構的"},{"start":10557.807,"end":10557.827,"text":"好。"},{"start":10578.183,"end":10580.644,"text":"經濟部門對於相關受創或受衝擊的產業是不是做好萬全的推演跟準備?"},{"start":10601.912,"end":10623.365,"text":"是的,謝謝委員。在經濟部這邊呢,我想我們會針對目前的這個狀況,那麼跟這個實際受到傷害的業者,可以他們充分的溝通,然後協助他們轉移市場。快速啟動好嗎?快速啟動好嗎?謝謝幾位的答覆。那進入我今天的政題喔,來下一頁。"},{"start":10625.541,"end":10652.475,"text":"國會剛完成了這個讓在抗議聲中在憤怒聲中通過了這個國會擴權的法案我今天在這裡呢要告訴院長以及所有的內閣團隊同仁質詢絕對不是上對下行政立法憑起憑坐沒有誰藐視誰而且最重要的是沒有討論沒有民主"},{"start":10653.687,"end":10667.216,"text":"吳思瑤在這裡我歡迎每一位官員對我反質詢因為我認為如果我提出來的論述不夠精準有所失誤當然要糾正立法委員"},{"start":10668.342,"end":10693.437,"text":"而且我們看到歐美各國先進的國會沒有單方面是上對下只有聽國會議員滔滔不絕然後一再的讓國會成為一言堂只要求官員成為乖乖牌官員都噤聲如果這樣的話政策沒有透過討論沒有透過辯論怎麼能夠讓政策最好的那一面能彰顯呢"},{"start":10694.858,"end":10713.4,"text":"所以沒有討論不是民主,不只適用在立法院各個議案的討論上,更適用在詢答之間。院長你同意我的觀點嗎?我歡迎你對我反質詢。謝謝吳委員。跟委員報告,我也曾經站在你那個位置上。是。"},{"start":10714.261,"end":10737.457,"text":"我現在很希望告訴所有的委員當您站在那個位置上的時候您要想想有一天委員也可能站在這裡如果用這種同理心來進行答詢的話那就是兩院互動的良好而且跟委員報告你的質詢內容從過去到現在我都拜讀肯定過答覆都沒時間沒有時間反質詢"},{"start":10739.653,"end":10762.637,"text":"我今天給你非常多的時間我過去私謠的質詢風格我認為質詢是一個論述跟探討跟說服的過程我最終都希望能夠透過我完整的論述獲得行政部門的同仁一個肯定的yes其實我認為那就是我最大的honor也是我監督最高的一個很高的一個滿意那今天我們來看下一頁"},{"start":10764.092,"end":10786.649,"text":"國際的正義之聲越來越多,國會擴權的法案通過之後,我們看這兩天,英國的金融時報也好或是經濟學人,其實長期關心臺灣的民主發展,他們都發出對於臺灣這種國會失序跟民主失靈的狀況提出非常多的示警,更重要的是也都點破了一個背後的核心問題,"},{"start":10788.49,"end":10815.864,"text":"關鍵的問題就是這樣子的擴權修法都是中國作為贏無者為中國對台滲透來創造出可乘之機這是金融時報下的標經濟學人也說這樣的惡法通過之後確實有高度的擔憂就是臺灣重要的資訊可能出賣給中國的包括臺灣的民主制度下一頁"},{"start":10816.804,"end":10833.169,"text":"所以您剛剛的報告也提到包括您之前在528當天您快速的來對外聲明面對國會的擴權行政院的復議是為了捍衛憲法的精神為了捍衛行政權"},{"start":10834.429,"end":10834.689,"text":"跟委員報告"},{"start":10850.472,"end":10872.08,"text":"剛剛第一篇外國媒體的報導其實跟國內的國人的憂慮是蠻相近的所以剛剛我在報告的過程當中我也提出國人對於審議的過程是不是符合程序正義內容是不是有違反權利分立那麼侵害人民權益違反法律明確性等等"},{"start":10873.325,"end":10897.06,"text":"我是在反映國人在這方面的疑慮政府的責任就在為國人的疑慮提出解決的辦法我也看到當天在國會內外的那種情形所以我們認為憲法一旦賦予行政機關有這樣的行政機關的權利那我們要再瞭解就是等到大院來文之後"},{"start":10898.356,"end":10922.804,"text":"包括我,我們會請所有的公法學專家一一詳細地審視所有的法律條文的每一個字、每一個鬥點、每一個內涵、每一個後面的意義。我們會很清楚地來決定接下來行政機關、憲政機關該做什麼樣的決定、該有什麼樣的行為。我絕對相信行政部門會提出非常周全的復議相關的準備。"},{"start":10923.735,"end":10947.773,"text":"我在這裡要提出提醒其實不只是這是一個政治動作的表態對於憲法精神的捍衛其實我也要把我所觀察跟您分享在這一步惡法通過之後那名氣可用其實我觀察到包括國民黨的多數對不起國民黨的內部也有部分委員立場在鬆動他們感受到民意的力量"},{"start":10948.513,"end":10975.14,"text":"我也觀察到包括昨天您拜會了民眾黨團對於復議案的態度他們似乎也還沒有做最終的共同決定所以我認為各個急迫是有機會的我們要善用名氣可用跟所謂的憲政賦予的這個至高無上的權力我期待我們未來再提出復議之後能夠達到我們想要的結果我們一起來努力好下一頁"},{"start":10976.671,"end":10999.854,"text":"這一次我作為民進黨團的國會改革小組的召集人但非常可惜不只程序正義被沒收了更重要的是民主審查完全被閹割而民進黨的不管是立法院職權行使法、立法院議事規則、立法院組織法乃至於立法委員行為法沒有半個案子能夠被並案審查"},{"start":11000.595,"end":11011.1,"text":"我想這當中民進黨版所負責提出來的都符合憲法的精神民進黨的立法院執權行事法同樣入法規範了國會擁有調查權委員會擁有調閱小組的權限在民進黨版的議事規則裡頭都可以強化國家機密的保護守護國家安全"},{"sta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personal就是個人的覺醒那我現在請教育部跟文化部"},{"start":22022.25,"end":22022.49,"text":"文化部"},{"start":22036.721,"end":22056.282,"text":"文化部現在這個目前跟你們都沒有責任這是以前的事情但是希望你們不會延續就是高齡相關預算只有3500萬在文化部的預算的0.2%其實教育部也是終身學習室的預算3.4億也是在教育部"},{"start":22057.223,"end":22060.606,"text":"今天明年大學畢業生一腳踏出校園就進入什麼社會?"},{"start":22087.042,"end":22113.242,"text":"副長明年是什麼社會?超高齡社會一腳就踏進超高齡社會這個孩子30歲的時候2030年台灣一半人口超過50歲這個孩子40歲的時候一半人口超過60歲這是台灣未來但是我問過所有的教育大學裡面的人他們怎麼告訴孩子你們未來的社會是什麼社會是一個青春無敵的社會會不會太離譜了"},{"start":22116.334,"end":22137.237,"text":"教育的目的不是培養未來要去什麼戰場嗎?戰場都講錯了,你現在的教育幾乎等於是說方向都錯誤,包括文化也是一樣。我們現在是不是都認為,關你這個狀態的文化部做了什麼,重視什麼,一切都好像年輕,但是這個是無法解決年輕人的問題的,因為這邊的龐大的英法海嘯,"},{"start":22137.877,"end":22145.925,"text":"所以呢這件事情我也跟院長報告我已經跟所有部會溝通過了沒有人有辦法解決這個事情這個必須要有遠見的領導人"},{"start":22148.931,"end":22174.592,"text":"院長如果沒有這個認知的話這事情無解我們現在引法族臥床8年以上龐大的人口未來年輕人沒有希望了壯世代是有觀念就是30年健康愚民引法族包括我們的產業都是在醫院跟在其他醫院的路上事實上壯世代是要渴望自我實現貢獻社會而且促進那個世代的循環"},{"start":22175.967,"end":22185.586,"text":"整個人色都不一樣那我們要去翻轉我們現在政府沒有這個目前是停留在引法思維底下來規劃所有的政策"},{"start":22187.322,"end":22209.491,"text":"從一個舉一個例子從數位落差我們現在數位簡單的各方面都一樣數位落差當中我們現在都在做這個數位部在做城鄉數位落差城鄉數位落差最嚴重的地方就落差20%而已但是最大落差在台北市中心台北市中心年齡的落差高達60%不聞不問數位部都不聞不問"},{"start":22212.233,"end":22236.868,"text":"因為只要碰到高齡者,大家都不聞不問,就是目前的狀況。但是這事情也很難處理,因為教育部管一點數位教育,文化部做數位內容,NCC做數位建設,反正每一個部會都管一點,最後等沒有人再管。第二個,第二次見請兩位部長可以休息。我要談G2,兩位部長可以休息。"},{"start":22237.335,"end":22255.036,"text":"第二支箭要談GSR就是government政府的解套現在政府這個問題是非常大的壓力但是目前我看起來是束手無策的那我請這個勞動部長還有衛福部長在我們這個高齡的政策當中就教兩步"},{"start":22261.849,"end":22286.691,"text":"我要請問衛福部還有勞動部這個我們的社會當中當然在為60歲前規劃60歲以後的人生60歲以後做什麼在衛福部的想像是什麼在勞動部的想像我現在謝謝勞動部現在許明春部長非常支持壯時代我不曉得何部長會不會繼續支持你會不會因為現在很多高級壯時代重返職場"},{"start":22288.763,"end":22302.028,"text":"是 感謝委員確實我們在2020年勞動部我們跟立法院合作推動的這個週高齡就業專訪之後那麼其實這三年來已經促進了14.5萬的"},{"start":22304.409,"end":22307.61,"text":"所以現在基本上剛才講了60歲以後的人現在有600萬人,現在退休的人有600萬。"},{"start":22325.434,"end":22350.655,"text":"這六百萬沒多少啦,就是你過六十位政府跟你就解約啦,等到你倒下來以後給你長照。這是去年2023年行政院所提出來超高齡社會對策,然後呢提出了這個大概就是他的大綱啦。我那時候問過陳建仁院長,我說院長這個是要給你用的,哪些東西會讓你動心啊,你有什麼需要,他說他都沒需要。那個應該我們卓院長應該更不會啦,不過你也是屬於適用對象。"},{"start":22352.573,"end":22367.735,"text":"謝謝吳委員今天要不是站在這裡我就是你關心的壯世代所以我願意跟你一起關心那800萬的壯世代我們現在想像政府把壯世代想像的都是準備要去臥床醫院不然就在醫院路上你看你現在在這裡啊挑起國家重責大任"},{"start":22368.795,"end":22393.701,"text":"所以我願意跟吳委員一起我們一同關懷那800萬的壯士代現在包括社府、衛福部現在在這裡我們幾乎把收的錢高齡者都押在衛福部所以衛福的其他部位都是插花就好了現在已經到了8000億了社府到8000億難道要破萬億嗎而且只能照顧15%這個社府的政策思維應該要調整"},{"start":22395.722,"end":22411.003,"text":"再來就是我們很多的經濟上面擔心的扶養比就是因為高齡化所以分子就越來越大高齡化然後這工作人口就當分母就因為少子化就越來越小嘛到2057年分子會大於分母"},{"start":22413.225,"end":22426.374,"text":"我沒有看到有任何人在解這個解方,都做一點做一點,我不曉得包括我們的國家希望工程有沒有解到這個問題,就是這個人口學是不可逆的,這上面的人這麼多,"},{"start":22427.472,"end":22455.643,"text":"然後會大於到2057年會大於分子這個怎麼解啊?委員呃容我跟大家跟委員報告哦其實謝謝您關心我們臺灣的高齡長照社會但是其實高齡就像我們之前看到的事實上高齡不應該是認為他就是所謂的依賴人口我非常贊成您所說的我們要讓我們的高齡者其實要健康而且要跟社區很棒這個衛福部現在有這個前瞻的觀念了是他要跟社區連結所以我們的思維都要與時俱進"},{"start":22457.163,"end":22485.337,"text":"其實現在4年我們有1200億的案子這個案子跨15個部會所以不是說大家插花是我們一起來處理我知道這個要做的事情更多那我們的策略當中就是要把分子拉下來當分母把分子撞起來也就是讓這些剛才我們次長講的不是被依賴者是繼續做一個生產者跟消費者所以勞動部就很重要未來這件事情擔當的重任的是勞動部"},{"start":22486.457,"end":22486.477,"text":"﹚廣告"},{"start":22501.872,"end":22501.892,"text":"﹚廣告"},{"start":22519.412,"end":22542.584,"text":"回歸勞動自由權部長可以嗎?是,謝謝委員我很感謝委員齁這個上個月上個月您跟在外防委員會跟這個我們執政黨的王振旭委員一起提案通過了勞基法第54條的修正案在65歲以後只要勞資雙方協議就可以延長退休了這真的是一個非常好的一個修法"},{"start":22544.085,"end":22545.726,"text":"接下來我要談CSR最重要的我們解決這個領軍的"},{"start":22573.079,"end":22574.981,"text":"我們經濟部長很有這方面的思維,那天跟你聊過"},{"start":22592.546,"end":22610.903,"text":"這叫世代的經濟世代經濟這個世代財富的移轉龐大的財富在壯賽手裡我們現在把它鎖死了導致於年輕世代失去經濟的動能然後就不敢結婚不敢生小孩造成少子化後來變成躺平族"},{"start":22611.423,"end":22613.524,"text":"我剛才講說生態系就應該這樣子,應該是整個國家希望工程的精神所在。"},{"start":22634.053,"end":22653.495,"text":"所以呢但是呢我們經濟不原來的啦,我說也不是你的責任啦齁,我們在規劃現在叫普惠科技喔,出來的都是這個圖啦,大概這些高齡者也就是在醫院、養老院啦、藥局啦、公園、熱齡宅啦,這些圈子裡面繞來繞去,只是讓你繞的時候因為有科技的協助比較方便而已喔。"},{"start":22654.299,"end":22675.177,"text":"這個就太宅化,我們對這些人設也是縮緊在這裡啦。所以經濟也是一樣,文化部不來啊,文化部不開發這些人的腦袋啊。文化部那個60歲你看他演那個戲劇上台都一定是扮老莊啊,一定拿拐杖啊。這是文化部對高齡者的一個歧視啦。"},{"start":22676.3,"end":22701.983,"text":"所以長照這個照除了照顧應該是照亮照亮你的第三人生這裡就是一個產業我們剛才在談的勞動部跟衛福部就是下端在這裡比較弱勢的比較上端的這些有財富有資源這就是如何活化資產如何發展長壽經濟這就是我們金融單位跟經濟單位可以把它發展的動力"},{"start":22703.905,"end":22708.981,"text":"那工商時報的社論也發現這問題說壯世代可以捲起千堆學"},{"start":22710.069,"end":22725.393,"text":"那這裡我要跟經濟部長講因為我看了你的觀念我覺得對你非常抱以希望你談到了這個大健康經濟產業其實現在聯合國也說長壽經濟是21世紀最大的經濟動能我們看這張圖現在全球6億的退休人口其中有3億在東亞東亞四國當中包括台灣、中國大陸"},{"start":22737.697,"end":22739.378,"text":"台灣如果能夠發展這樣的一個長壽經濟的商業模式的話,未來會成為台灣另外一座的護國神山"},{"start":22759.352,"end":22784.398,"text":"可以輸出產出那這就看經濟部我覺得理念你是相關的因為你已經開始把這個大健康產業不像以前那個健康的就是只是養生養病你已經談到了精品時尚啦美食啦你有各方面但是可能還更進一步有把壯實在的美好第三人包括要有電影啊文化人你要文化部不然你做不出什麼好的產品出來好作品出來"},{"start":22785.009,"end":22785.069,"text":"﹚金管會"},{"start":22807.429,"end":22833.865,"text":"上那個黃天牧那時候你有講他非常的認同所以他承諾我要比照綠色金融的行動方案建立高齡金融行動方案那也提出了包括從資金面、商品面、培力面、生態系面要來規劃這個高齡金融但是問題這涉及到要各部位要財政部的配合、勞動部、衛福部、經濟部各部分的配合也都不是金管會一個部會做得來的"},{"start":22835.239,"end":22862.131,"text":"所以這事情然後現在我們在立法院也成立壯士在政策產業發展促進會、壯促會現在有63個委員加入會員民進黨委員有25位國民黨有35位還有民眾黨有8位所以可以說這一個觀念是不分黨派一致贊成的所以未來如果行政院願意來推這個我想我們在立法院會大力的來支持"},{"start":22863.231,"end":22887.448,"text":"但是現在所有的部會都在歧視高齡者,那我講的像比如勞動部有中高齡就業法,我就問勞動部,我那時候問部長說中高齡是幾歲?他說45歲,我說這樣不太好,出國念書回來都40歲,45歲就準備輔導待退,他說沒有辦法,那不是他規定的啊,那個上面啊,我想說上面,然後這個院長,"},{"start":22889.79,"end":22910.956,"text":"按照老人福利法你現在就會被叫做法定老人你應該拿到那個卡了沒有?已經用過了這個也是太離譜了對不對你看起來這個青春活力還是帥哥一個所以交通部要把75歲當危險的份子要沒收他的駕照"},{"start":22912.078,"end":22924.386,"text":"所有的包括銀行、金管、投資單位你65歲以上能投資受到很多的限制我們都在歧視了所有人都是上面都不是他幹的那上面是指誰呢?就是院長你"},{"start":22925.663,"end":22946.74,"text":"你再不做這個事情無解了,不可能靠客部會。所以呢每一個我預請卓內閣能夠從這個角度在國家希望工程裡面這是重中之重。三分之一人口掌握三分之二財富,結果沒收啦,沒收然後呢都倒下來當臥床主。"},{"start":22947.974,"end":22973.627,"text":"每一個部會針對這個院長要打破框架我因為我已經都每個部會都溝通我真的深深的發現而且很多都認同只是他們現在在他各自的單位的選擇當中真的是無能為力所以每一個部會需要去溝通他的定位來做這件事情接下來我們的目標是把英法海嘯一場災難變成國家發展動力所以我最後有一個請求"},{"start":22975.216,"end":22999.14,"text":"我要請求院長,因為我要讓你好好的回答就是超高齡社會壯世代政策推動小組我要請院長,懇求院長是否可以承諾來設定這一個政院那個專案推動小組由副院長或者政委來督導是不是因為這件事情看起來一定是要有跨部門的而且是"},{"start":23006.375,"end":23025.891,"text":"謝謝吳委員就從剛剛委員把我們六位部長請到台上來就知道這絕對是一個跨部會要去執行完畢的事情那我很簡單跟委員報告其實行政院一直有在努力而吳委員你的觀察你剛剛講了好多次這不是你們的責任"},{"start":23027.132,"end":23053.374,"text":"謝謝委員的觀察但是既然是延續的過去8年來的成績向人民做報告我們就必須把這個責任承擔起來其實過去我們在高齡社會白皮書提出了37項的策略105項的具體措施我們在因應超高齡社會對策方案有345項的工作在112跟115四年當中要投入1200億元光今年就255億"},{"start":23054.935,"end":23078.247,"text":"另外我們在高齡科技產業行動計畫裡面也有相關的規劃中高齡就業計畫促進方案當中剛剛跟委員報告過已經有14.7萬的就業那我覺得這樣子也許到目前來看我們還有一些必須整合的所以感謝委員您的觀察我們必須加強整合這就是我們現在必須加強的我會請我們專任的政委"},{"start":23079.113,"end":23106.383,"text":"就這個部分提出完整的報告至於行政院用什麼樣的一個態度跟方式你剛剛提的那個計畫我跟你承諾我們一定會朝這個方向去做有效的規劃那是不是因為這個行政院的這個態度有關臺灣世代的禍福我也提到了一點這不是為高齡者而做包括年輕人包括年輕人如果這些人躺下來了"},{"start":23107.338,"end":23135.603,"text":"那年輕人就被壓垮負擔就更大然後呢現在看起來所有的資源跟動能就在壯士來的手上所以經濟部很重要發展長壽經濟就是年輕人未來可以無限的這個創業跟高薪因為這些內需市場有這些需求創出來他們才有辦法這個才可以解決少子化的生態系問題靠這個國家養那個國家養是沒有辦法的那是救急的方法要把生態系做起來"},{"start":23136.559,"end":23149.138,"text":"所以院長一定要這個決心我們要把一場英法海嘯災難變成上帝的禮物所以剛才院長有講要找我們陳時中政委來主導我跟他很好"},{"start":23150.407,"end":23172.901,"text":"那請委員多多的指教所以呢是不是他疫情1197天都是我在配合他的每天的記者會 對不對所以呢基本上我覺得說這件事情就是院長有很明確要來指定我們政委我要拜託政委能夠去詳細的瞭解問題規劃出來一個具體的方案這個政策"},{"start":23178.844,"end":23205.222,"text":"因為涉及到所有的部會相關的配合因為雖然現在剛才我知道都有在做這個做這個因為我已經溝通了每一個人都有在做每一個人都有在做這部分但是沒有整體的策略最重要是沒有把那個人設定好每一個人的人設各自有各自的人設每一個部會各自有各自的人設而且這個人設基本上都還停留在銀髮族的思維裡面沒有正式就是說院長你自己就是裝實在"},{"start":23206.343,"end":23230.934,"text":"他所設計的產品出來我可以跟你保證你都不會想用的你都不會想用但是我們現在所有人都在做這件事情因為人設錯誤為什麼人設錯誤因為我們現在那個上面那個概念就是把銀髮的觀念認為你60歲就要退休退休以後就游山玩水以前就是60歲以後的人生叫餘生"},{"start":23232.079,"end":23253.908,"text":"多餘出來的人生現在不叫這個叫第三人生他有30年可以貢獻可以產出可以發展經濟所以呢我們整個的政府各單位沒有這個觀念沒有專家還是把當餘生再處理再收修打人生的修打收攤的一種觀念在設計各個的部會的政策"},{"start":23255.618,"end":23269.97,"text":"所以這個一定要翻轉,他要不是一個依賴者,成為生產者、消費者。所以這個真的是很有賴於政委,然後我們統合各部會,也需要變成一個專業小組而不是就講一講這樣子。"},{"start":23270.751,"end":23292.32,"text":"未來我會督促我們的政委跟部會,稱如委員所說的以個人的覺醒、企業的參與跟國家政策三位一體的觀念我們以壯世代為本位來制定壯世代相關有的規劃所以院長可不可以三個月之內來提出壯世代整個對人口壯世代這樣的規劃我們會來規劃一個方向跟報告可以喔"},{"start":23297.639,"end":23299.001,"text":"接下來我們請登記第4號,莊瑞雄委員質詢。"},{"start":23323.645,"end":23348.812,"text":"謝謝主席。有請我們行政院卓院長。再請卓院長備詢。我們陸委會啊。再請陸委會主委備詢。莊委員好。非常好。先給你恭喜啊。這樣30年跟你做朋友,看你今天可以做人一定啊。可以為這個國家來服務啦。那請委員多多幫忙。這一定的啦。但是我先啊。"},{"start":23350.067,"end":23364.882,"text":"介紹一首歌就是楊丞琳有一首歌叫做狼來了誰是下一個受害者我今天其實看到兩條新聞一條新聞是在講說臺灣因為整個AI出口的一個強勁經濟的一個成長這個上調到3.94"},{"start":23372.995,"end":23381.419,"text":"但是又看到另外一條,就跟你講老共那邊,中國片面在砍掉ECFA134項關稅的一個減讓。"},{"start":23385.612,"end":23410.494,"text":"本期記得在去年在總統大選在逼近12月的時候啊那個時候啊中國也片面的砍了砍了我們ECFA12項當初我記得是國會公民心主委啊他當初是講說整個ECFA佔了我們臺灣整個經濟啊的產值啊出口啊還不夠4%所以影響不大但這一次啊"},{"start":23411.872,"end":23440.088,"text":"一百三十四項,你看連經濟部長沒有邀請他都站上來了,就代表事情有一點點嚴重。但是呢,這補丟你先不用緊張,本期在意的還不是只有這個啦。這個部分我相信這個院長整個行政團隊會去講說我們來分散市場,我們產品再來做一個升級,甚至可以再來跟他們溝通。我們也都很清楚啊,中國跟台灣全部是WTO的一個會員。"},{"start":23441.229,"end":23463.989,"text":"可是問題是他這種用政治力的片面就是用對台灣經濟上的一個壓迫所以陸委會主委你今天也出來講話啊一公啊那個就是後國要中國要自己負最後的一個責任對不對但是啊文明的政府去跟中國這樣的一個比較專制的一個政府這樣的一個對話沒有意義"},{"start":23465.302,"end":23491.783,"text":"本期更擔心的是什麼我請陸委會主委要特別注意經濟部長先請回一下就是說中國江蘇他在今年的4月份其實他是實施的他去鼓勵他去鼓勵他們這些郵寄快遞的從業人員這要不要提高高額的獎金也可以用匿名的一個方式來檢舉哪一些人去影響到他的國安"},{"start":23493.254,"end":23516.717,"text":"那我們本來新政府上來以後是想說兩岸人民之間看可以這樣比較和平來做一個交流啊,看起來沒有欸。他的起手式就砍你關稅減當134項,然後他的起手式就馬上就跟你講說,嘿,鼓勵他的這些郵寄人員,他可以用匿名的方式,高額獎金的方式來檢舉。"},{"start":23518.877,"end":23547.846,"text":"兩岸其實我們政府沒有限制我們人民到中國去啊。我們的民眾有去那裡旅遊的啦。那裡也很多記者在那裡啦。甚至一些學者會參訪。我不曉得面對這個這樣嚴峻的一個情勢啊。陸委會這邊如何來幫我們民眾。你像比如說要降低人民到中國去這樣的一個風險。我們總不能叫每次都講說你去中國你要提高警覺喔。"},{"start":23549.212,"end":23552.818,"text":"政府的責任我相信不應該只有這樣就叫我們陸委會主委"},{"start":23555.676,"end":23577.791,"text":"謝謝委員、指教。有剛剛您提到這個早上ECFA的這個早收清章被終止這個問題呢。這是一個典型的經濟脅迫,無助於兩岸關係。我們認為兩岸不管是在WTO的架構或者是ECFA的機制裡頭都應該透過協商來解決這個問題。"},{"start":23581.408,"end":23605.111,"text":"﹚議員﹚"},{"start":23605.111,"end":23624.241,"text":"﹚"},{"start":23624.521,"end":23649.709,"text":"最近相當多國安方面的這些法律跟施行細則出來有65%的人現在去中國大陸都會感覺到恐懼而不敢去那我們也會不斷的跟國人宣導之外我們還是呼籲中國大陸應該要友善來對待我們的國人畢竟包括我們台商對中國大陸的經濟發展帶來的貢獻"},{"start":23652.33,"end":23652.67,"text":"是永逸共獨的。"},{"start":23670.302,"end":23694.915,"text":"你看,副軍旗這樣帶一團國民黨的人,我們九三這樣帶一團回去跟我們說什麼?他說,好,現在兩岸在迎來春暖花開。今天五月三十一日要落月了,他有春暖花開。我就是想吐槽,開個屁啊,哪有什麼春暖花開。這看一看,本時就又想到江蕙的一首歌,《繁華攏是夢》。"},{"start":23697.082,"end":23697.102,"text":"從2016年"},{"start":23726.593,"end":23747.153,"text":"蔡政府上臺以後就飛河我們檢探我今天很仔細的去聽了院長你的施政報告我們2050年的競排這個部分這個都是展現政府的一個魄力但是我要請教了合一跟合二這個都已經除役了"},{"start":23748.752,"end":23775.819,"text":"我記得在1992年老總統李登輝那個時候他核定了去興建了在龍門興建那個和室1992年老總統李登輝之所以核准了就是說要興建和室那個時候大家其實已經喊了幾年台灣未來經濟要發展了30年經過了和室沒有蓋起來和一和二除役了"},{"start":23776.874,"end":23783.924,"text":"啊我很擔心啦現在說剩下一個河山河山你一定知道當時要處理啦一號機當時要處理今年七月"},{"start":23786.63,"end":23787.331,"text":"我比較擔心的就是說 我就講明了啦"},{"start":23817.302,"end":23820.348,"text":"跟委員報告依照現行的法律來看"},{"start":23829.056,"end":23831.617,"text":"我昨天其實我也有去聽到這陣子我聽到我們內閣裡面我們經濟部長國資會國部長的一些談話本期也是非常有感"},{"start":23854.64,"end":23862.885,"text":"當然你就問全民說電夠的話大家當然都要回合家園啦但是呢這一個基本的一個價值又是民進黨的神主牌啦"},{"start":23864.145,"end":23890.644,"text":"阿國部長的講法是說阿我就要想你要要安全阿合會之後我就要處理阿全民我都要我都共識阿部長我跟你講阿站在一般民眾的想法就是說你這經濟不對你不對就是發展經濟一定會把你打破阿但是常常牽扯到政黨之間的基本價值的時候我實在吃煩惱阿我記得我們賴總統他有去講似乎好像也曾經去講過阿"},{"start":23893.308,"end":23920.581,"text":"就算會議齁,也不是全部都把它廢掉了啦齁,搞不好還可以當一個戰備,可以當一個緊急,緊急狀況,什麼時候會有緊急狀況不知道嘛。那我想知道的就是說,你們講的都講依法,依法,啊這依法到時會變了,你要講依法齁,國民黨現在要給你修合管法捏,那現在國會在野黨現在是多數捏,一修法律就過了捏,啊過了以後,"},{"start":23922.671,"end":23926.254,"text":"委員 如果修法過了,我們就依法行事。委員 依法行事就是"},{"start":23944.224,"end":23958.387,"text":"河山繼續贏這樣喔?我跟委員報告你怎麼不用合一合二都騙人家用我們河山啊?這好奇怪勒?你的修法通過以後哪有什麼修法通過一定是吃我們河山吃狗狗你也不能用合一合二啊?"},{"start":23960.504,"end":23978.531,"text":"容許跟委員報告在修法的過程當中我還是認為大院裡面可以經過很充分的討論以及所有的民間的公民團體跟在當地的居民為主的一個意見必須受到很清楚跟慎重的對待所以這個修法的過程"},{"start":23978.911,"end":24007.392,"text":"到底會不會修會修成什麼樣現在我們沒有辦法預先做預測那當然在修法結完成之後只要是經過程序正義合法的修法在行政院上行政院的立場我們去最法的內容來做執行但執行的時候我們必須有一個安全的把屏障在這裡但是院長我還是要苦口婆心的講啦所以假設真的是修法通過啦我還是比較贊同郭部長所講的啦一盒衛料有辦法去處理啦"},{"start":24008.012,"end":24008.592,"text":"兩位請為院長留著我們那個"},{"start":24038.959,"end":24059.95,"text":"委員長這個我陪你去韓國瑜院長那拜訪的時候你提到打詐、釋法還有這個整個體育部的問題那我想這個整個升格的問題我都認為體育部不是只有升格的問題他最主要還是改革的一個問題有時候"},{"start":24067.782,"end":24074.198,"text":"我都一直認為說提一部如果來升格的話因為院長剛就任我認為把他當成一件喜事"},{"start":24075.134,"end":24103.853,"text":"把他當成一件喜事來辦,這個在整個體育界裡面如果是一件喜事的話,大家都希望他是一件喜事,但是很怕他遇到失敗。過去的體育署,你們這麼多人,除了以前的體育署常常用手,你們都在乎的都只是看有沒有辦法奪牌,奪牌奪多少。可是以現狀來看,院長你幹過台北市議員,你很清楚,朱倫街那裡,對不對?"},{"start":24104.462,"end":24109.303,"text":"我現在是把人民的聲音,尤其體育界的聲音,帶給院長,帶給新的團隊,給這個期待,就是說加把勁,趕快來做出一個成績。但問題是說,我要問的就是說,人種這樣很難做的啊。這個不只牽扯到組織法的問題啊。你要給一個布,你就要消滅一個布。"},{"start":24132.844,"end":24134.005,"text":"我請院長簡單聲明,你的方向是什麼?"},{"start":24148.742,"end":24173.44,"text":"謝謝委員如果更要能夠讓未來可能的體育及運動發展部能夠成為一個更有權責的專責機構我們當然是想朝向單一的社部這樣的方向來進行所以未來中央政府機關的組織法必須經過一陣的討論我們希望能夠打破現在的這種規模能夠讓我們有餘裕的空間"},{"start":24174.281,"end":24194.71,"text":"就中央行政機關組織計政法來做相關的配合。所以我也希望未來的體育運動發展部應該發展是全民體育而不是精英體育。早上我有講過我希望部部都是文化部、技技都是觀光技、人人都是體育人。我的用意就在這裡。"},{"start":24195.43,"end":24209.954,"text":"我很關心我們的籃球以我個人的經驗裡面我看到我以籃球為例我們的國家選手從選手的保險後勤的編制到最近在炒的整個出賽費用的種種問題凸顯我們整個機關對這個協會的管考跟輔導我們真的沒有發揮功能"},{"start":24216.994,"end":24235.129,"text":"我去看我們的賴總統去參加全中運的時候,他說希望這個體育部未來升格以後,包括把它變成體育運動產業部。所以如果可以這樣再加起來之後,我建議你們"},{"start":24237.5,"end":24237.82,"text":"好 院長加油"},{"start":24260.181,"end":24282.628,"text":"謝謝卓院長的備詢謝謝跟議員會報告現在在議場二樓旁邊是新北市林口國中的同學國家未來的主人翁我們掌聲歡迎再來我們請登記我們請登記第五號洪孟凱委員質詢"},{"start":24289.875,"end":24316.89,"text":"本席剛好是林口的立委 大家好謝謝院長 那請卓榮泰院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢好 黃委員好 院長您有一個稱號叫大師兄 不敢當金庸小說裡面大師兄令狐冲 桀驁不拘 瀟灑自在"},{"start":24318.79,"end":24336.646,"text":"球場上有個大師兄叫林志勝他帶動氣氛老大哥也是中華隊的強棒都非常有特色您自己怎麼看給自己大師兄院長您自己的特色是什麼不敢當我只能接受人民的附託在這裡向立法院負責"},{"start":24337.455,"end":24341.156,"text":"台灣民主蓬勃的發展要走向一個健康的方向"},{"start":24363.186,"end":24383.741,"text":"本席也非常認同,因為我覺得我們韓院長講的很好,民主,台灣的民主有治癒的能力。我也說台灣的民主會自己找到出路,如同生命會找到出路。但很可惜跟遺憾的是,像上個禮拜幾次的國會改革的時候,我們看到執政黨的委員頭上綁的布條叫做民主已死。"},{"start":24384.602,"end":24393.879,"text":"我們想說這個是一個蓬勃發展的生機的時候怎麼會是執政黨委員講說民主已死不過現在看到國會改革法案"},{"start":24395.225,"end":24420.088,"text":"現在有傳出有可能行政院會提復議有可能民進黨會提釋憲賴總統有可能在還沒有釋憲結束之前不會依法來到立法院做國情報告那看起來是執政黨府院黨都要來杯葛國會改革法案是這樣嗎?跟委員報告不是杯葛兩個字如果我們看到民進黨立法院黨團的委員先進們他們在"},{"start":24422.349,"end":24441.538,"text":"國會裡面這樣的表現能夠去體會到他們是不是在審查相關法案的過程當中他們有的表示的機會不容許他們充分的表示他們的意見或者是在過程當中他們感受到應該可以更進步所以他這種表現我予以尊重但我希望"},{"start":24442.421,"end":24459.257,"text":"不管是兩院之間或是國會內部都能夠很平順的進行所以院長我請教我確認一下您今天會提出復議最主要理由是因為民進黨團在國會裡面沒有充分的表達我今天沒有提出復議我知道我是說未來如果有可能你提出復議最主要理由是什麼"},{"start":24460.51,"end":24485.648,"text":"我當然還是要看整個大院的來文但是外界國人所關切的他是不是在程序上不夠完整他是不是有侵害到個人的權益那他是不是有違憲的部分以及他對於將來兩院互動當中是不是會產生一個不良的效果請容許本席提醒您第一議事如果有問題的話我們今天的院長以及秘書長就不會讓議事進行"},{"start":24487.049,"end":24512.856,"text":"如果今天有違憲與否的話也不是您我說了算而是大法官我們尊重民進黨團如果要提違憲的這樣的一個釋憲的一個說明但是在還沒有釋憲之前依法通過的法令行政院如果說要提出復議的話這其實要對自己的決策來負責你有看到有高達五成八的民眾對於公務員藐視國會罪是希望能夠支持的"},{"start":24513.618,"end":24528.797,"text":"您有聽到有6成5的民眾是希望國會能夠改革的?您有知道說過去的民意大家會認為是說一黨獨大的時候連民眾的聲音都沒有辦法清楚明白表達的時候這樣子的政府是危險的?這些民意您有知道嗎?"},{"start":24532.401,"end":24551.222,"text":"行政機關對相關條文在執行過程當中有所疑慮的時候是准許行政機關提出這樣的復議程序的話那麼這個就是行政機關所擁有的一個責任那身為憲政機關我覺得我們還是要研議來文之後我們做最終的決定"},{"start":24553.786,"end":24582.263,"text":"那如果說提出復議之後看起來因為現在國民黨民眾黨加起來的一個席次相對是比較多的如果提出復議還是沒過您認為您自己會負什麼樣的責任還是在憲法的條文裡面我們來做以後的一些研判跟決定所以您沒有任何政治的責任我的責任是每一個來到這裡的官員每一個進到國會的人民"},{"start":24583.166,"end":24586.588,"text":"其實院長國會改革是人民高度的期盼也是過去民進黨在野時候一直念茲在茲希望能夠推動的"},{"start":24604.465,"end":24630.512,"text":"我們只要說一件事如果您的政治責任只要告訴你的內閣官員大家來立法院就是不要說謊不要有虛偽陳述不要有偽造不實這樣子國會改革就能夠順暢的走下去所以是不是能夠跟國人承諾您的團隊裡面至少不會再像過去一樣那麼的戰狼性格不會再像過去一樣那麼的跟"},{"start":24631.412,"end":24659.42,"text":"民意機關民意代表針鋒相對。謝謝委員的提醒其實在4月10號到現在跟每一位首長我都經過大概有5、6次以上的個別的談話跟公開的聚會我一再告訴他們未來面對國會面對國會的任何的質詢跟答覆我們要秉持專業要誠心誠意所以我一直拜託他們也要求他們誠意溝通人民優先"},{"start":24660.592,"end":24689.523,"text":"我想每個我們部會所長目前都遵照這樣的原則在進行當然要以身作則更徹底的去落實好 院長跟本席的想法中華民國國家至上臺灣2300萬2350萬人民優先是一樣的看法我們就繼續來檢視現在有傳出本來有傳出6月說復錄的這個禁團令能夠解除因為其實民間大家都期盼有更好的兩岸互動但"},{"start":24690.58,"end":24708.247,"text":"今天賴總統他在臺北旅展的時候本來還以為是有機會翻盤但終究還是讓觀光業者失望我現在想請教傳出是國安會堅決反對所以沒有做開放請教國安會堅決反對的理由是什麼"},{"start":24709.261,"end":24732.147,"text":"這沒有一個哪一個單位哪一個部門是堅決反對這是經過集體的思考我先跟委員報告誰主持的會議集體的思考3月到5月當中我們的團客11萬去到中國大陸來的是零所以這11萬比零的數字我必須透過委員跟社會知道誰的主持讓"},{"start":24733.187,"end":24734.468,"text":"這是一個討論,就這個單一事件的討論。"},{"start":24753.544,"end":24754.245,"text":"所以我們希望6月1日以後"},{"start":24769.526,"end":24794.484,"text":"讓以前已經組團的一千團將近兩萬的旅客可以繼續執行。繼續執行。院長馬上就有人講是說你這樣根本就是懲罰好學生嗎?沒有我絕對沒有這樣的意思。因為過去在過去你怎麼有辦法了解說舊團可以出發那二月聽到政府法轄灣頒布了附入的進團令之後就停止招攬客人的旅行業者難道就是乖乖的被耍嗎?謝謝這個"},{"start":24796.994,"end":24818.292,"text":"委員我們的交通部觀光署也有做相關的比較朝放寬的原則來看只要舊團還在他能夠把它組團完成我們願意各案的來處理就是過去為什麼會有所謂的舊團新團就是因為民進黨政府的政策髮夾彎大轉彎啊從原本的開放用說5月31號不能再前往"},{"start":24818.712,"end":24822.094,"text":"我們都支持中華民國我們自己的主權立場所以說不用抹紅但重點在於是說在觀光的這件事情上面你如果說現在突然髮夾彎的話有多少人舊團跟新團你有辦法分辨嗎"},{"start":24848.338,"end":24873.269,"text":"二月七號到五月三十一號私下攬客有罰一萬到五萬的罰則請教到目前為止有罰過多少人有抓到多少我希望委員跟我有同樣的想法十一萬比零的觀光客這個部分政府要不要做一些努力院長剛剛本席開宗明義講了您既然願意用誠心誠意的方式來跟立法部門來溝通本席願意跟您對等相談"},{"start":24874.309,"end":24886.227,"text":"我們就是以中華民國優先以2350萬人來至上但重點在於是觀光業者過去這段時間大家都叫苦連天這難道沒有聽到嗎我只請教一句話"},{"start":24887.571,"end":24913.977,"text":"您去年也是跟著賴清德總統候選人的時候全神跑透透到底有沒有聽到我們觀光業者認為應該觀光歸觀光政治歸政治有沒有聽到這樣的訴求所以我們做了這個初步的改變原來的決定我們恢復了舊團那我早上跟當行政院院長我都說過了只要看執行的情況適時的我們一定做滾動的檢討什麼樣的狀況可以使滾動檢討"},{"start":24916.578,"end":24916.838,"text":"如果能夠雙方對等"},{"start":24940.168,"end":24964.122,"text":"而且我們能夠執行順利每一個團客出去品質都很好我們願意在善意上堆疊但一定要兩岸對的當然沒關係院長本席再請教沒關係部長因為我現在請教院長院長如果說以這樣子的一個方式的話那你覺得有可能我們很樂觀的也希望陸生明年恢復來台"},{"start":24965.285,"end":24992.894,"text":"你有多少把握能夠做到?教育部現在正在研擬我也在教育文化委員會我今年來詢問相關部長相關問題的時候部長只有講五月開始來檢張七月招生九月入學但是多少比例能做到感覺教育部也沒有辦法負起相關責任啊因為對於兩岸的問題來講其實也不是單一部會能夠確認的事情還是上位可能是您可能是賴總統"},{"start":24993.814,"end":24994.494,"text":"我們還是朝向這樣的方式來做思考。"},{"start":25011.433,"end":25038.991,"text":"雙邊一定要對等在這裏每個國會議員應該跟我們有同樣的聲音這樣才是臺灣團結我們如果分裂就等於對手加盟。議會站在這邊就代表我們都是以中華民國青天白日滿地紅為榮為傲所以一定是對外一致我們要求對等這無庸置疑所以也不用適度要扣紅帽子本席現在實際上講現在執政的是你民進黨你掌握的是執政權所有不管是觀光不管是求學"},{"start":25039.651,"end":25048.211,"text":"大家都在認為兩岸是要往冰凶站圍還是往春暖花開這是你們一念之間所以各位不要再用這種"},{"start":25050.919,"end":25077.225,"text":"推卸式的言語。而是真真正正能夠負起溝通之爭。過去八年嘛政府時代能夠在平等對等的情況下讓兩岸來順利交流過去八年蔡英文政府時代下一樣是平等我沒有講蔡英文政府的時候不平等但是兩岸就停滯了現在是賴清德總統的第二個禮拜他要怎麼樣在平等尊嚴的情況下能恢復交流這才是你應該做的事不是嗎"},{"start":25077.805,"end":25099.827,"text":"所以我們很誠實的去面對6月1號的這個政策我們做了最重大的決定那至於說剛剛您提到的一些問題交通部一定有相關的數字可以跟委員來做報告我想看來院長這裡沒有辦法跟我們明確的回覆來院長我再請教因為今天問題準備比較多感謝各位部長沒有辦法讓大家回答到的地方敬請見諒"},{"start":25101.133,"end":25128.568,"text":"並不是不願意讓大家回答未來委員會我一定都會請教各位來院長我們臺灣的能源也會讓大家擔心即便您昨天有在民眾黨黨團講說臺灣不是缺電是跳電但馬上今天柯文哲主席就出來講說不要再耍嘴皮子了不管怎麼樣我們沒有興趣講這些嘴皮子的話本席比較有興趣的是以專業論專業"},{"start":25131.107,"end":25146.987,"text":"以前我們的經濟部長也是從產業過來的,產業之前都一直講臺灣有五缺,其中缺電、能源的問題不只是我們產業的人講,我們有外商的報告也都有提到臺灣的能源是相對不穩定的。"},{"start":25147.932,"end":25171.698,"text":"AI未來的趨勢半導體未來的趨勢也都認為經濟部長自己也評估每年以年增率3%來提高這用電需求3%什麼概念就是6年要增加18%6年將近兩成現在總體的發電量剛剛你也講到了2025年7月和三場一號機會除役2025年和三場二號機會除役2024對"},{"start":25177.964,"end":25182.999,"text":"我現在想請教一來一往之間臺灣的能源缺口多了20幾%我們該怎麼做?"},{"start":25187.699,"end":25211.499,"text":"這個數字我請部長來把說明報告委員這一部分我想我們在之前就已經有規劃其他的這個燃氣機組部長我在經濟委員會都有諮詢過您我就直接請教您有提到是說法令通過如果有需要的話河山能夠演繹變成是備用電源是不是但是經濟部不會主動提出修法因為你認為說修法這個責任是在國發會是這樣嗎我曾經講過這個話是"},{"start":25217.039,"end":25229.696,"text":"院長這就是一個政治判斷未來四年我假設您這個院長的任期至少跟賴總統一樣四年四年內會不會由國發會提出河山廠的研議計畫"},{"start":25231.058,"end":25255.615,"text":"首先照目前的河管法來看目前是沒有這樣的可能性那未來修法之後我也不知道法會修到什麼程度現在修法一個是立法院主動提嘛一個是行政院能夠提出院版這邊來立法院來做修法我現在只想請教的是行政院會不會提出相關的修法建議要求讓河電能夠研議河山廠能夠來做使用"},{"start":25256.135,"end":25280.216,"text":"非常抱歉跟委員報告因為這個核管法是要五年之前就要提出所以您未來四年內都不會提?我們已經超越了這個期限我只請教您未來四年都不會提嗎?所以我們現在的努力是在這個法的規定底下我們盡量去補充這個核三廠一號機的發電能源跟未來二號機能夠把它數量補上來"},{"start":25280.816,"end":25308.956,"text":"包括我們的大潭電廠包括我們的綠能 院長可不可以聽清楚本席的問題我現在只講是說今年7月核三廠一號機會除役這個是現況40年到了嘛那本席只想請教的是未來這四年行政院都不會主動提要核電廠研議的相關修法我們現在在法的規定下我們是沒有那個立場來談論這個問題那您會不會主動提不會目前沒有考慮到這樣的目前沒有考慮但未來不保證"},{"start":25310.885,"end":25310.905,"text":"未來﹖"},{"start":25328.22,"end":25356.592,"text":"所以國民黨就是擁核啊,錯了,我們是要以核養綠,我們當然知道能源是選擇,我們當然希望能夠用再生能源,但重點是在現在過渡期沒有辦法使用的時候,核能可能是相對選擇性,第一它是比較低碳的,第二是相對比較乾淨的能源,所以我們用以核養綠的概念。有委員已經有提案希望能夠做相關修法,馬上就有民進黨的委員就講是說你看國民黨就是要擁核,但等到修法通過之後其實真正使用的是誰?"},{"start":25357.472,"end":25385.344,"text":"是政府啊!是政府解決了能源缺口、能源危機啊!所以國民黨也不一定要需要當這個剎車皮啊!我們當剎車皮太重!所以我現在是想請教負責任的態度是行政院會不會在這個議題上面這四年內有所表態?跟委員報告公共政策就是一個選擇委員剛剛說的以核養綠我們認為現在我們的行政團隊有能力不在這個選擇底下去做其他的選擇"},{"start":25386.204,"end":25411.134,"text":"未來四年你們不會主動提?目前沒有這個規劃好,那我只想請教院長非核家園跟非碳家園在你心目中哪一個比較重要?非核家園是定在我們的環境基本法裡面的非碳家園那是我們朝向2050淨零轉型一個重要的台灣跟國際接軌的哪一個比較重要?"},{"start":25413.021,"end":25417.107,"text":"對你來講沒有先後順序同樣的重要是不是但會相互抵觸喔"},{"start":25418.327,"end":25419.808,"text":"謝謝您再一次的確認您的三個原則來接下來"},{"start":25447.981,"end":25467.455,"text":"人事的任命也很重要院長之前我們看到NCC的委員四位委員的名單是由陳建仁院長在最後卸任不到一個月的時間送出來那當然我們那時候就講了臺灣我們中華民國是所謂的責任政治來主委部長可以先請回"},{"start":25468.479,"end":25486.81,"text":"也因此本席就想請教到目前為止我們是沒有把這個人事案排入委員會來做審查因為其實我們也是尊重卓榮派院長卓榮派院長其實行政院長有提名人事權並且送立法院來同意來審查所以我們現在想請教"},{"start":25488.446,"end":25516.666,"text":"現在的這個人事四位人事的同意權您會不會再新提名單是的謝謝委員的提醒我也很遺憾四月份的時候這個名單提出來之後沒有按照一定的程序來完成並不是沒有按照一定的程序來完成因為台灣我們還是希望是能夠有責任政治所以我們現在想要確認是說您願意幫這份名單背書嗎還是您會再跟草野溝通提出適合專業的人選"},{"start":25518.806,"end":25521.61,"text":"請委員能夠理解我們10天以來"},{"start":25523.032,"end":25550.059,"text":"花了很多時間在看一些重要的場域花了很多的時間在準備跟大院的施政報告所以真的10天當中我們還沒有深入到這個提名通常會委員的名單當中但是我跟您承諾我們一定會在最近的時間內將這件事情做一個圓滿的一個解決那麼請大院能夠同意意思是要重新提出名單我會檢視名單檢視名單所以您到目前為止還不知道這四位名單是誰當然知道"},{"start":25551.153,"end":25578.624,"text":"對,但是您覺得這四位委員適合擔任我們的NCC委員嗎?有沒有看到那個時候傳出來那個時候傳出來的時候有媒體大亨出手所以原本的劉姓主委又搖身一變又換了那有沒有看到裡面有羅姓委員他曾經講過說新聞自由是什麼能吃嗎?這一些言行你認同嗎?所以我跟委員一樣我們要檢視名單"},{"start":25580.405,"end":25582.466,"text":"陳建仁院長提出名單的時候都沒有跟你討論過?"},{"start":25602.301,"end":25629.656,"text":"是不需要因為他是現任的院長他當然不需要跟我討論但是他知道他的任期就到520那520之後就是您結果他提出名單也看起來那個時候是沒有辦法那麼順利在20天裡面即便我們用最快的速度立法院要開院會也沒有辦法20天裡面就通過所以換言之這個名單其實在你任內的陳建仁院長都完全沒有跟你討論過蔡英文總統也沒有跟賴清德總統討論然後他就把名單送出來了"},{"start":25631.327,"end":25658.964,"text":"當您就任之後立法院要同意這個名單陳院長有他作業的時程那跟委員報告我們當然沒有討論過這個名單我再次強調所以您到目前為止好那可不可以確認一下什麼時候會確定您的屬意名單什麼時候會出來今天跟大院完成施政報告之後我想我的工作會比較減少一部分所以我會去好好地看這個名單下個禮拜會出來嗎我會去開始"},{"start":25659.658,"end":25670.217,"text":"認真的檢視名單在最短的時間內讓委員看到。院長那問一下個俏皮的啦。如果731NCC委員沒有補上的話我們台灣買得到iPhone嗎?"},{"start":25672.174,"end":25696.479,"text":"我一定努力不讓這個後果發生其實是不會啦但是這個是之前的一個謬論跟之前在執政黨的委員在攻擊啦我想絕對不要用這種絕對不要用這種民粹的講法來去每一件事情我們都很認真的去看待我也期待院長能夠提出一個真的專業是才是所的NCC委員名單我再強調一點"},{"start":25697.619,"end":25698.64,"text":"來,院長接下來這個我一定拜託要請您檢視一下你的態度"},{"start":25718.601,"end":25718.841,"text":"院長﹚有37位"},{"start":25744.522,"end":25770.811,"text":"相關的人現在在做各種的努力當中,我們都看到了。你說37位死刑定讞的死刑犯他們正在提出釋憲嗎?本席問的是您個人支持Face嗎?我當然沒有能力去影響左右大法官的會議,但是身為行政院的負責人,在大法官做出任何決定之前,我不宜說出太多個人的主張。"},{"start":25772.339,"end":25789.948,"text":"這不是您不宜說出太多個人主張嗎?您應該講的是您要支持依法行政我國到目前為止如果說還沒有廢除死刑之前就是有死刑而剛剛你知道37位也是死刑犯三審定業換言之到目前為止有"},{"start":25790.968,"end":25798.082,"text":"這一些實習犯有人是三、四十年還沒有執行的。我們現在沒有FACE的法令,但是大法官的解釋,位階是很高的。"},{"start":25803.206,"end":25829.688,"text":"但是我的責任在於所以您認同用大法官的解釋來剝奪不管是立法權的一個制定立法委員在立法院最高民意機關民進黨團都不敢提出反廢死的這樣的一個提案了結果您認同用大法官釋憲的方式來剝奪立法權讓立法權的死刑能夠拿出是這樣子嗎?大法官解釋有他國家法律憲法的位階但能夠超越到我們的權力分際嗎?"},{"start":25831.229,"end":25833.811,"text":"院長非常好您提到了治安因為本席特別看到了五打七安七安五打"},{"start":25856.101,"end":25856.301,"text":"來我們再看下一個"},{"start":25883.982,"end":25895.939,"text":"詐騙集團也很厲害他可以把現在最紅的這個黃仁勳這個CEO在我們逛夜市的這個非常火紅的這個我們的CEO他也變成是詐騙所以"},{"start":25898.959,"end":25922.117,"text":"我們現在當然我也支持我們有打詐相關的法律我們也支持應該要用打詐釋法能夠嚇阻詐騙集團囂張的企業我們都支持但看到這樣子的一個詐騙的狀況我們速發部我們警管會我們警政署內政部在哪邊院長希望您看到這樣子你有什麼感覺"},{"start":25923.951,"end":25927.034,"text":"但是院長本期要提醒其實實行某程度上大家也講"},{"start":25946.753,"end":25948.174,"text":"最後院長我想再跟您確認一下"},{"start":25977.529,"end":25985.009,"text":"首都治安也非常重要但這兩天傳出警察局局長抱歉我沒有讓部長回答到請見諒齁"},{"start":25987.031,"end":26011.64,"text":"首都的治安非常重要這兩天傳出警察局局長的一個人事爭議本席認為很奇怪就說如果說我們的部長真的有打給臺北市市長蔣萬安徵詢他的意見那照理講就應該是尊重我們臺北市市長意見那我先請教劉部長您打過去一個禮拜您打了幾通電話給我們蔣萬安市長"},{"start":26013.308,"end":26026.538,"text":"我跟蔣市長大概是兩次的電話兩通電話一通是在禮拜一晚上一通是在禮拜二晚上是不是?就是這個禮拜嗎?是還是上個禮拜?這個禮拜對"},{"start":26030.049,"end":26055.4,"text":"您是不是是第一通電話您是請教蔣萬安市長他有沒有屬意的警察局長人選還是怎麼溝通的我跟委員報告一下我應該是說在跟蔣市長講說因為張榮興啊原來台北市警局的局長要容身那因為過去一段時間呢我們在這個立法院周遭啊有一些這個陳情的活動所以比較忙一點"},{"start":26056.36,"end":26082.508,"text":"但是呢未來的一週其實我在行政院院會有跟他提到我需要來拜訪他他說再來安排但是部長我只想要確認是不是蔣萬安市長有提出說他屬意的人選可能是方局長那之後您給他兩個人選來給他選擇到最後蔣萬安市長跟你講說他希望方局長但是到最後你們還是選擇李局長是這樣嗎沒有我想在溝通的過程當中我一再的強調你沒有提出兩個人選嗎"},{"start":26083.848,"end":26085.148,"text":"所以你到最後不尊重蔣萬安市長"},{"start":26127.779,"end":26130.525,"text":"謝謝院長。我們希望一起為中華民國、為臺灣2300萬人。"},{"start":26759.707,"end":26761.809,"text":"報言會現在繼續開會。接下來請登記第6號羅美玲委員質詢。謝謝主席。有請卓院長。再請卓院長備詢。"},{"start":26793.799,"end":26809.024,"text":"院長好,院長辛苦了。今天要跟院長探討的是我們民進黨政府長期以來非常重視的這個新住民的這個議題。那其實在去年的這個移民節我們的賴清德總統"},{"start":26809.844,"end":26830,"text":"他就有特別提到期盼將臺灣打造成更加友善包容多元平權的這個社會所以呢針對這個新住民的議題呢我們賴清德總統他有提出了這個六大政見那這六大政見呢我們也希望說新政府上來之後呢都可以來進數來落實"},{"start":26831.801,"end":26845.727,"text":"那我現在想要跟院長提的就是賴清德總統的這個六大政見第一個就是賴清德總統他有提到支持立法保障新住民的權益"},{"start":26846.787,"end":26847.308,"text":"請問就針對這一條,我們院長支不支持?"},{"start":26872.093,"end":26892.246,"text":"總統在競選過程當中所對人民的承諾我們都積極的而且普遍的把它納到國家希望工程裡面來那當中當然有一些是分年分階段要來執行的但對新住民的政策我們始終站在一致的立場臺灣是一個包容的社會我們很歡迎也很需要"},{"start":26893.166,"end":26900.847,"text":"新住民的加入臺灣這個大家庭所以一定在這樣的理念之下我們去對未來的國家希望工程一一的落實"},{"start":26901.741,"end":26925.546,"text":"所以立專法這個部分我們院長其實您是支持的嘛對不對因為本期其實在上一屆的時候已經有提出了新著名權益保障法那我在想那總統既然也支持這個專法的這個設立所以我希望就是說我們行政院能夠提早提出這個院版那當然也是落實我們賴清德總統的這個政見"},{"start":26929.059,"end":26956.392,"text":"我們部長今天在場謝謝羅委員的關心羅委員長久以來都非常關心新住民而且您自己也領銜提案了新住民的權益保障法那但是呢我在看這個內政委會在討論的時候呢也有其他委員希望提出所謂的新住民基本法那很多不同的委員都關心新住民這是事實但是對於新住民的定義到目前為止好像還沒有一個具體的一個共識出來"},{"start":26957.372,"end":26972.401,"text":"那所以現在在內政委會裡面討論的部分呢應該就是委員或是其他委員所提出來的版本但是無論怎麼樣落實這個賴總統的政見包括說強化這個新住民的發展基金我們現在的基金大概是10億元左右"},{"start":26972.841,"end":26972.901,"text":"﹚發言委員"},{"start":26993.112,"end":26996.815,"text":"所以部長您的意思就是說到目前為止我們對新住民的定義到目前為止我們都還沒有一個非常明確到底新住民包含了"},{"start":27018.433,"end":27045.26,"text":"下一部分的這個族群我想過去的話我們想到新住民就想到說只有婚姻移民可是現在呢新住民不單單只有婚姻移民我們現在有人才專訪我們有喬森平點志之後留在台灣成為台灣新住民的都有所以變成說現在經過各種管道來到台灣這些人是不是都是新住民我們不應該新住民只含婚姻移民這部分吧這部分"},{"start":27045.72,"end":27074.404,"text":"我們到現在還都沒有辦法釐清嗎?新住民這個定義,連我們行政單位都沒有辦法去釐清他的定義嗎?是,報告委員,應該是說每一個部會,包括說你講到的僑生或是僑外生,他們所提出來的定義都不太相同。但是無論怎麼樣,剛剛有提到,在事實上怎麼樣照顧,只要有拿到合法的這個簽證或是合法的證件來台灣的,我們都應該本於我們自己台灣一個人權立國的精神來照顧他們。"},{"start":27074.884,"end":27095.117,"text":"所以部長您的意思是說當要訂定專法以前新住民的定義必須出來是不是這樣子?當這個定義沒出來之前您覺得立法是有困難的是不是?會有是說完成共識就是三黨要完成共識之前恐怕會有一些困擾就像我剛剛跟委員所提到那對於行政單位您對於新住民的定義是什麼呢?"},{"start":27095.757,"end":27105.203,"text":"因為到目前為止新住民是沒有法律定位欸沒有是完全是沒有的確定是沒有是委員報告一下那到底我們行政單位對新住民的定義是什麼呢"},{"start":27105.953,"end":27131.595,"text":"目前在內政部所管轄的移民署的部分就是所謂的中華民國國民的配偶所以只有婚姻移民可是那是因為早期的定義因為早期確實是以婚姻移民為主那這一兩年我們已經修了人才專法我們很多移民的管道不單單只有婚姻移民那這些後面這個因其他管道來到台灣的這些新住民就不能算是新住民嗎"},{"start":27132.276,"end":27135.799,"text":"新住民的定義是什麼?到現在都沒有辦法釐清。所以說,要立專法之前,聽部長的意思,新住民的定義必須要"},{"start":27152.632,"end":27158.778,"text":"所以部長您的意思就是說新住民的權益我們先來保障那之後他的定義我們再來定義的意思嗎?是這樣子嗎?在我們行政立場上面他是延續的不可能斷掉"},{"start":27179.076,"end":27179.396,"text":"OK好那"},{"start":27208.717,"end":27229.164,"text":"權力保障的部分我在想這個我們一定要來推行這部分我想應該行政單位應該會來支持好那再來賴清德總統有提到說要長化新住民的這個專責單位逐步提升他的位階很多人都說新住民到目前為止都沒有一個專責單位憑良心講是有"},{"start":27229.784,"end":27250.083,"text":"那些新住民的業務是掛在內政部移民署底下的移民事務組在底下的移民輔導科他是一個位階非常非常低的一個專責單位所以我可以理解賴清德總統他有提到逐步提升其位階像這部分的話我想請教院長"},{"start":27250.843,"end":27265.855,"text":"這部分我們也是支持嘛,對不對?是的,跟委員報告,因為剛剛成儒部長所說的新住民的多樣化,而且增加的速度也滿快的,所以我們一定要迎頭趕上。那麼在院裡面,現在我們有新住民事務協調匯報,"},{"start":27268.135,"end":27293.944,"text":"我們承諾我們會來強化這個匯報的功能在相關法還沒有完整之前把這個協調匯報的功能強化出來讓它扮演更重要的角色扮演更重要的功能像剛剛部長所說對新住民的權利的保障我們先把它設為最優先那麼在這樣的過程底下我想即使還沒有很明確在法令底下有一個專責機構但是要提升這個協調匯報的功能"},{"start":27295.444,"end":27307.263,"text":"我努力讓他達到委員所希望的那樣的一個程度跟院長報告我們確實有個行政院新住民協調會報可是院長剛才你有提到了半年開一次會"},{"start":27308.746,"end":27310.888,"text":"我絕對支持我們賴清德總統說要強化新住民的"},{"start":27331.032,"end":27351.237,"text":"﹚"},{"start":27351.337,"end":27368.474,"text":"所以這部分的話在我們還沒有提升位階之前我們來強化新住民協調匯報本席也能夠來接受只是不能只有嘴巴說我覺得像上一屆我就不斷再提這個問題可是大家好像就說好我們來加強實際上完全沒有動作"},{"start":27368.894,"end":27383.883,"text":"我也希望就是說新政府上來之後真的是要來正視這個問題如果說我們因為組織編造的關係我們真的目前沒有辦法說給我們一個署也好一個委員會可是你在既有的這些單位你要去加強這個功能嘛對不對"},{"start":27384.583,"end":27407.135,"text":"不要說組織編造都動不動就說因為組織編造的關係我沒有辦法給你一個委員會我沒有辦法給你一個署可是現有功能要去加強這才是我們要真正要去進行我們現有的這個單位你不去加強那當然我們要的專制單位又沒有辦法給我們那如何去落實我們的新住民政策呢"},{"start":27407.551,"end":27423.217,"text":"﹚國會議員"},{"start":27423.657,"end":27452.058,"text":"內政部其實也是之前也做過了一些一個檢討其實這個事辦計劃對我們的培訓對這個專業度那還有這個認證制度其實是沒有任何的這個改善他其實有很多需要加強的這個地方所以我也贊成我們賴總統所說的建立國家級的統一制度因為現在的目前的統一制度進行事辦計劃還是落在移民署"},{"start":27452.518,"end":27476.233,"text":"移民署也不過是一個三級單位如何去handle這個這麼大的一個工程說實在的我也覺得這個是很不可思議的一件事情像這個國家級的同意制度我都覺得說像教育部的角色應該也要進來國發會的角度應該也都要進來不是丟給一個小小的這個移民署移民署人力真的是不足這部分我必須要跟移民署說一句話好那再來還有其他的"},{"start":27476.793,"end":27478.294,"text":"專案延長新住民直系遵清署探親停留校旗的簽證"},{"start":27507.647,"end":27530.646,"text":"這個已經在總統在競選過程裡面的政見之一啦。那我們會詳細看它影響的程度以及多少的適用範圍我們來訂定一個可以討論的一個基準。因為像過去新住民的遵信署來台只有半年的時間那我們希望能夠延長到一年。為什麼呢?因為我們看人才專訪"},{"start":27531.787,"end":27552.541,"text":"人才專法裏面這些國外的這些人才他們來到台灣來工作之後其實他們的尊卿署來台可以停留半年其實這不影響我們的勞健保就是把他的這個簽證延期到這個半年我想如果說賴清德總統這些新住民證件我們的行政單位可以一律來落實的話"},{"start":27553.362,"end":27554.462,"text":"我請各位回座,我請勞動部跟國發會。"},{"start":27582.572,"end":27594.81,"text":"還有一點時間我想要探討另外一個議題是有關於橋外生的留台工作因為本席具有新著名的背景以及橋生的這個背景所以這個對我來講也是非常重要的這個議題因為在2022年的時候國發會院長您可以回座"},{"start":27599.042,"end":27619.975,"text":"沒關係沒關係OK好在2022年的時候國防會呢曾經有訂定了一個目標就是2030年我們要增加19萬的橋外生留台工作可是以目前呢我們橋外生每一年又是2022年開始來看我們每一年留台的人數只有6000人我其實我昨天已經跟劉主委有做過探討就是說"},{"start":27620.435,"end":27650.435,"text":"﹗"},{"start":27650.675,"end":27650.936,"text":"韓國瑜委員"},{"start":27665.632,"end":27690.414,"text":"再來推動個人工作許可制第三、放寬企業資本業額規範並簡化申請程序第四、演藝喬·外申畢業尋職期間的公讀方案這是本期到各大專業校跟喬·外申座談的時候喬·外申所提出來的四大訴求我們也希望因為時間的關係我也希望說這四大訴求提出來之後"},{"start":27690.914,"end":27692.155,"text":"謝謝羅美琳委員的質詢,也謝謝卓院長的備詢。"},{"start":27721.192,"end":27735.736,"text":"接下來我們請登記第7號林思明委員質詢。謝謝韓院長。有請我們行政院再請卓院長"},{"start":27747.418,"end":27768.374,"text":"民國委員好主委長好主委長我想我繼續跟您討論國會改革的議題現場我們立法院國會改革的法案是一部讓陽光照進國會的一個法案讓行政立法項目制衡監督共同謀求國家的改革改革進步"},{"start":27769.502,"end":27794.981,"text":"所以此次的修法是立法院職權行使法以及刑法的相關修正。院長您是否了解整個修法的內容?您了解嗎?現在的階段我只能從報導上面來看到,我還沒有看到正式的公文書。我想早上您有回答副總召,表示說您還尚未收到立院的公文,您不了解條文的內容。"},{"start":27796.209,"end":27813.794,"text":"只能從新聞報導的角度來瞭解但是如果你不瞭解為何您這個還拜會我們的黨團或者拜會民眾黨黨團您第一時間或者民進黨黨團我們看到的您表示說您會在不瞭解條文內容的狀況下你就要提出復議"},{"start":27815.609,"end":27836.841,"text":"不能跟委員報告不能說是不了解條文的內容因為我看到的是許多的國人對這個過程認為程序是否完備是否侵害到人民的權利是否有違憲之餘是否有法律明確性的欠缺等等我都看到了國人這些疑慮那站在行政機關必須解決這些疑慮所以我會看到條文"},{"start":27837.842,"end":27865.049,"text":"公文來的時候,大院公文來文的時候,我們來對照到底程度以及影響層面是多大。那個院長我大概跟你講一下,我想我們這次修法是有五個重點。第一個是聽證調查權,另外是我們的藐視國會罪,還有總統的國情報告,還有加強我們的人事審查權,還有我們政府院長的記名投票,這五個改革的法案。"},{"start":27867.282,"end":27882.571,"text":"請問對這五個改革的法案哪一部分您認為你會自愛難行,您必須提出復議。我想委員跟我都同時有觀察到包括監察院也對於權力分立"},{"start":27883.683,"end":27907.429,"text":"提出了他們的看法那其他的剛剛我已經舉例過了那至於說院長、副院長的選擇當然就是純粹院內先進委員的選擇監察院已經提出他的看法我們必須要兼顧議法院擁有聽證調查權也是您說監察院有意見嘛那您自己也是同樣的一個意見嗎"},{"start":27908.424,"end":27925.515,"text":"我覺得人事同意權不要跟這些調查權等等混為一談提供資料當然也是必須具實的提供資料但是院會跟委員會還是要有差別的調查權跟調閱權這個在質疑上以及在功能上是有不一樣的"},{"start":27939.524,"end":27964.51,"text":"執政黨在過去在立法的各項程序的表現來我們看一下影片通過第四條有沒有意見?通過第五條有沒有意見?通過第六條有沒有意見?通過第七條有沒有意見?通過第八條有沒有意見?"},{"start":27966.735,"end":27972.237,"text":"所以那個院長這是過去民進黨在這個前瞻基礎建設條例在審查的過程中您剛才有聽到我們在這個審查的過程中在委員會委員有異議主席完全不理會"},{"start":27996.854,"end":28010.661,"text":"通過通過通過這個叫程序正義嗎?那我們這個法案經過了一次的專案報告三次的這個公聽會以及黨團的協商還有我們院長的協商"},{"start":28012.435,"end":28035.003,"text":"還有我們民進黨的委員發言也非常非常的多次數非常非常的多所以這是一個公開透明的一個立法一直污蔑說是程序不正義的立法黑箱的立法我想這對於我們整個立法院的所有委員我們覺得說這個是我們不能接受的"},{"start":28035.97,"end":28037.311,"text":"院長我告訴你"},{"start":28056.724,"end":28070.317,"text":"你們的講法是說時空環境不一樣喔不是時代要進步不只不一樣我們要進步時代要進步啊所以時代要進步陽光要照進國會啊我說你們的邏輯在哪裡啊"},{"start":28071.667,"end":28099.463,"text":"那當初在委員的標準裡面當初這個也是陽光啊但是那個陽光跟委員報告林佳龍部長特別講得很清楚他當初所說的是調閱權而不是調查權還是有程度不同還是在憲政體制下做適當的分野那是他講的啦我們在整個那個草案我們都看過甚至藐視國會這也是有刑罰還判比較重"},{"start":28101.26,"end":28129.859,"text":"我想這個林佐水,你們的這個過去民進黨的大佬他說啊,10到30年的國會改革,民進黨若繼續警報,五權憲法將白白浪費進步的機會。所以我們要隨著時代的進步嘛,就你剛才講的嘛。國會改革轟轟烈烈鬧了30年,轟轟烈烈的鬧開了,等了30年是好事。"},{"start":28131.334,"end":28139.506,"text":"所以我真的不了解我想我這個進到國會我是第二屆過去我沒有參與但是我覺得這麼好的一個"},{"start":28140.646,"end":28164.694,"text":"立法的一個改革國會的改革法案讓國會能夠親民讓國會能夠問政更有監督制衡的力量讓我們的行政部門未來更有效能更能連能執政這麼好的一個法案相互制衡監督的一個法案完全符合三權分立的原則為什麼民進黨你們要抗拒改革"},{"start":28166.669,"end":28190.956,"text":"跟委員報告沒有抗軍改革我覺得我們當然必須制衡監督這是必要的院長我想我因為您說要這個要復議要提休閒我們現在就來審視一下法條了院長您知道國會聽證調查權調查的範圍是什麼請委員明示我這個我法條翻頁看一遭三讀後通過的45條"},{"start":28195.505,"end":28223.718,"text":"對相關社調查專案小組他是對相關議案或立法委員職權行使相關的事項行使調查權及調閱權所以是限定在對相關議案或立法委員職權相關的事項所以他是在立法院我們的立法委員行使職權對於特定的議案我們認為有弊端我們要去加以調查"},{"start":28225.08,"end":28248.702,"text":"不是漫無範圍的、漫無邊距的去加以調查。議員報告外界有200位法律學者也提出對於內容法律的明確性是不是不足。這一點都值得我們深思。我想當然有法律學者有200位有這種看法我們尊重。但是有更多的法律學者看法是不一樣的。我也會一併的重視。我要明確的告訴你。"},{"start":28248.982,"end":28266.097,"text":"更多的意見我也會一併的重視跟考量正反意見都有啦但是我要告訴你說我們立法委員絕對是遵守憲法的一個份紀不會去亂立法啦不是你們講的好像我們蠻狠無理啦要特別告訴你所以我要給你看法條嘛"},{"start":28267.018,"end":28295.831,"text":"議案這個一定是調查範圍有一定的範圍我舉例啦比如說就是光電弊案嘛查雞蛋弊案嘛查疫苗採購弊案嘛查快篩的弊案嘛查NCC讓今天是上架的一個弊案嘛都是查這些特定議題的立法委員在行使職權在質詢的時候的一些特定的議題的有關的一個職權上行使的一個事項嘛"},{"start":28296.448,"end":28297.169,"text":"另外調查的對象一47條請院長看一下47條"},{"start":28325.141,"end":28339.037,"text":"調查委員或調查專案小組為行使調查權得要求政府、機關、部隊、法人、團體或社會上有關係的人員。這個是照抄我們林佳龍部長的一個條文"},{"start":28340.157,"end":28358.264,"text":"所以是講人啊,人民啊,為現在被散播謠言啊,散播不實訊息啊,說一般我們的老百姓也會被調來啊。但是我們條文寫得很清楚啊,是你要跟這特定議案有關係,社會上有關係的人員啊。"},{"start":28359.304,"end":28365.867,"text":"才會被邀請來做評審。如果你願意我可以請林佳龍部長來提示一下。對象事實相同,行為不一定一樣。反質詢的部分依照我們新修正的職權新施法"},{"start":28389.107,"end":28412.036,"text":"就是我們質詢的答覆不得超過質詢的範圍之外並不得反質詢。被質詢人為避免國防外交明顯立即之危害或依法因秘密之事項並經主席同意者外不得拒絕答覆。也就是做國防外交或者因秘密的事項他是可以拒絕答覆的。"},{"start":28412.765,"end":28441.841,"text":"並不是外界傳了什麼可以把國防秘密、外交秘密也會到這個聽證會或者調查的時候一定要揭露。這是我相關的一個跟委員報告好像這個認定的標準很低啊。這個我們都很明確,這個法律條很明確啊。這沒有所謂什麼不明確的。所以這個我在這裡我要就教就教我們在座所有的各位部長。我想今天所有的部長都到了。"},{"start":28442.97,"end":28445.458,"text":"基於我上述講的吼,我們還有一個啦,就是說這個"},{"start":28448.544,"end":28476.625,"text":"我們的官員到立法院來接受質詢不得拒絕答覆拒絕提供資料隱匿資訊虛偽答覆或有其他藐視國會的行為這個是就反質詢或者是說說謊拒絕答覆或者隱匿這個條文是這樣規定如果說經主席制止或者主席要求答覆卻仍違反者"},{"start":28477.225,"end":28500.358,"text":"那麼經過我們出席委員五人以上的連署或附議,繼經院會決議,會處備質詢人員兩萬元以上、二十萬元以下的罰款。所以我就叫在座的各位部長,我剛才講的這個有關於反質詢或者虛偽陳述的部分,各位部長請教一下,待會大家舉手。"},{"start":28501.118,"end":28527.72,"text":"您會不會擔心未來到不管是院會或者委員會來質詢您會不會擔心因為自己做反質詢或者虛偽陳述而受到相當的一個處罰我這樣反過來問您不會擔心的請舉手報告委員我們不用舉手來代表因為舉手沒有聲音留不下記錄我可以代表我們部會首長來回答說謊"},{"start":28530.464,"end":28542.448,"text":"是政治人物的自殺是人格的自殺我們絕對不會用虛偽陳述但是機密的認定請容許行政機關有機密認定自我保護保護國家的這當然之理也請相信我們所有的立法會會謹守這樣的一個分際不可能"},{"start":28557.552,"end":28575.316,"text":"我們已經到立法委員這個職務了還會去所謂的去洩露國家的國防外交的秘密或者是個人意識的秘密我們曾經有討論過其他的案例不會那麼low啦不要把我們想到那麼low啦不會不會但是確實有發生過一些案例我們曾經有這樣的憂慮過不要說謊"},{"start":28578.73,"end":28581.091,"text":"我還是要看到全部的來文之後,比照各方的意見。"},{"start":28601.323,"end":28602.184,"text":"接下來我還是關心能源政策的問題"},{"start":28622.418,"end":28646.314,"text":"我想關於能源的政策我們從臺電的發電成本來看全年發電成本最低年的是核能核能發熱度電是1.39元燃氣是3.44燃煤是3.443燃油是7塊半至於綠能的部分風力發電成本也要4.48太陽光電發電成本也要4.13"},{"start":28648.28,"end":28671.846,"text":"所以我們看來最便宜的核電就是核電但是我們核能的占比目前僅占我們臺電發電量的年總量的7%我想我們的核三廠在1號機7月就即將要除役所以請問我們未來要不要考慮讓我們的臺電1號機來演繹"},{"start":28675.987,"end":28679.556,"text":"你馬上就造成7%的缺口啦請部長來說明"},{"start":28681.283,"end":28689.009,"text":"所以這個院長部長你們有信心就是你的即便這個河山廠的1號機除役還是購電嗎?你的回答是這樣,好我再請教。"},{"start":28707.17,"end":28722.157,"text":"歐、美、日這些世界先進的國家工業大國都在重啟核電現在進行式在他們的G7公報中也認為核電是乾淨安全的能源"},{"start":28723.297,"end":28748.549,"text":"但我心中就一個很好奇為什麼我們的政府寧願捨棄便宜又乾淨的能源不用卻偏偏要用選擇最貴的發電方式來作為我們用電的選擇到底在哪裡我真的到現在搞不清楚報告委員這樣的表格跟這樣的順序表面上是"},{"start":28749.981,"end":28774.003,"text":"是如此沒有錯但是他背後代表核能廢料的處理那個的代價是相當相當龐大的核能安全的顧慮也是人類現在還在積極去面對的所以核安核廢的問題都不是這樣可以量化出來的標準這個我們要算在政府長期的投資裡面"},{"start":28776.155,"end":28791.005,"text":"到一直到現在已經幾年了到現在還對於核能安全的儲存您還說有疑慮有疑慮為什麼世界這些先進國家繼續要用乾淨的核能來作為他們現在用電的最大選擇"},{"start":28793.374,"end":28815.437,"text":"而且現在多少的核能專家認為核能是最安全的用電而且核能的儲存也可以用最先進的這些設備來去克服為什麼我國就不願意去就相關安全設備的研發來繼續做努力讓核能發揮它最大的效益"},{"start":28816.462,"end":28843.468,"text":"跟委員報告合一合二甚至那個沒有蓋層的合適他所可能產生的核廢的處理我跟侯友宜市長一樣的關切他跟我一樣到目前為止還是要列在最優先的考量所以這個不是黨派的問題不是反核擁核的問題是面對環境共同的問題議長核廢料的問題是可以克服的你現在還在堅持說不能克服"},{"start":28844.864,"end":28866.148,"text":"那我會再去請教侯友宜市長我還是這部分我想時間的關係我希望我們經理部長剛上任您就這一部分到底核廢料怎麼樣儲存是最安全的到底台灣現在有沒有辦法有效的解決核廢料儲存的問題請政府"},{"start":28867.079,"end":28885.602,"text":"一定要來做相關的一個研究好不好是的 謝謝委員這樣你才能夠講清楚啊我是今天才聽你講過去不管是我們王美花經濟部長他就這個議題都沒有講得很清楚他只認為我們就是非核家園我的神主牌我就是要去貫徹我就要去執行"},{"start":28886.257,"end":28913.884,"text":"部長曾經講過核能安全、核廢的處理跟社會的共識,這個就是我們大家目前的態度。我們還是要去看世界各國對核能的一個使用的一個看法。我台灣是要跟得上世界的潮流,不要再自己閉門造局了,這樣不會進步。院長,那我們看到因為你現在要貫徹這個非核家園這樣的一個政策,造成怎麼樣的一個結果?"},{"start":28915.154,"end":28940.568,"text":"造成什麼樣的結果?我想你依照現在的環境基本法臺電虧損嚴重一直虧損然後我們的電價一直上漲臺電我們就靠補助電價又認為這個太便宜了一直講電價太便宜了所以要上漲電價上漲造成我們的物價上漲通膨問題就來了就越來越嚴重"},{"start":28941.408,"end":28961.702,"text":"同樣的答覆啊,如果核能的發電持續的增加,那我們是承受不起明年我們的電價會不會持續上漲我們今年已經有過一次調整,但我們現在希望大院能夠我請你回答兩個議題,一個電價會不會上漲,還有台電會不會持續虧損,明年"},{"start":28963.461,"end":28988.672,"text":"第一個我們現在今年已經有逐步的調整電價那麼現在經過大院希望能夠來通過我們的追加預算對台電的財務做適當的補貼至明年的問題我們全力的來管控如果沒有特別重大的國際事件沒有特別影響的能源發展問題的話那我們盡量來管控以不增加人民的負擔不增加產業的負擔做我們的前提考量"},{"start":28989.335,"end":29001.856,"text":"所以你現在執行的能源政策你保證我再接下一個問題你保證臺電絕對不會再虧損你要扣除政府的補助不要靠政府的補助這也是人民的納稅錢"},{"start":29003.223,"end":29023.05,"text":"但是政府的補助就是降低所有人的負擔政府適當的補助就是降低人民的負擔所以這個是一個惡意的螺旋所以我想請教你的是說如果台電不虧損那現在是不是我們"},{"start":29023.715,"end":29029.941,"text":"我們跟其他國家的電價比較起來我們是偏低的。所以我們不考慮用提高電價來讓台電的不虧損。我沒有這樣說"},{"start":29048.639,"end":29061.607,"text":"我說我們跟世界跟國比較起來我們電價偏低了但是我們現在不會決定用漲電價來增加人民的負擔我們用政府的補貼來穩定電價我們用政府的補貼來穩定電價看狀況的發生所以台電的虧損就年年虧損嘛年年虧損是什麼造成的邏輯你每年都要用政府來補助"},{"start":29076.331,"end":29078.133,"text":"所以我們電價,電價要不要調整,我們是經過審慮委員會啊。我們的經濟部長,他有經營產業,有經營企業的經驗。"},{"start":29099.725,"end":29111.036,"text":"目前我們的綠能發電是有一定的進展,但是覺得還不夠,所以要再加速進行。所以在穩定供電的情況之下,全面發展綠能是政府的政策。"},{"start":29116.24,"end":29116.26,"text":"沒錯﹖"},{"start":29141.977,"end":29168.727,"text":"但是我們看到說AI的模型規模不斷的擴大它需要消耗的電力更大所以如果我們這個能源政策這個電沒有趕快來補足的話當核電已經沒有的時候你說你要用太陽能關電或者用什麼燃煤或者用這個燃氣燃油來這個做填補"},{"start":29169.383,"end":29198.846,"text":"我想這個都是違背世界的趨勢也造成我們的整個我們的溫室效應以及我們這個排碳進行排碳的一個進程可能會2050年沒有辦法達成這種種的效益就來了所以你要發展AI產業你的能源政策你又不能夠去做調整那到底院長你們的能源政策到目前我真的看不懂"},{"start":29200.216,"end":29206.816,"text":"我們的...報告委員我們的原意跟用意在如此"},{"start":29207.694,"end":29209.895,"text":"國發會的主委在還未上任前都說了實話都希望這個核能案要考慮來重啟"},{"start":29231.007,"end":29246.828,"text":"但是前幾天又說不會依照現行的法令不能夠重啟那主委也講說核能主委你有提過喔你不要跟我講你現在沒提過你過去會議上任前你也提過說核能是我們的選項之一喔"},{"start":29248.755,"end":29268.23,"text":"報告委員我可以很負責任的講我當時並沒有講這句話我只是在講核能是一個低碳能源但是它如果不能夠得到核廢料的最終儲存的話它是無法被認定為綠能但是"},{"start":29268.789,"end":29271.17,"text":"我說歐盟並沒有認同他是一個綠能。因為我看你寫說你5月28號你對外表示你不排斥核能。"},{"start":29286.601,"end":29307.672,"text":"我當時我們是認定四個原則第一個是新政府我當時講法是新政府跟新國會的共識第二個是安全必須無疑於第三個是法令第四個是社會共識我們這四件事我的媒體我是講得很清楚的主委或者部長今天部長話講的比較少"},{"start":29308.872,"end":29322.388,"text":"部長我跟您講一下您認為核能對核能這個議題我們的能源如果要未來面臨AI這個產業巨大的一個用電量到底我們的能源政策要不要做調整"},{"start":29323.734,"end":29341.666,"text":"報告委員,以我們目前來看,我們現在擁有的發電能力是可以滿足到2028年這段不明的狀況。但是如果在2028以後的部分,我想我們目前的狀況還是可以維持。"},{"start":29356.203,"end":29368.797,"text":"我們現在其他的綠能的機組以目前的進度來看是可以銜接到2030所以如果在2025到2028這段期間因為AI的成長"},{"start":29372.381,"end":29376.483,"text":"您認為核能是不是乾淨的能源?核能如果以這個歐盟他們的解釋他是一個乾淨的能源"},{"start":29401.713,"end":29412.143,"text":"是不是安全的能源?但是他不是綠能。他不是綠能?他不是綠能。我到時候找相關的數據,我到委員會再來問你。"},{"start":29413.752,"end":29433.669,"text":"好那請兩位部長先回座那最後一個問題來請教院長那院長我們在平面媒體這個財訊在520前調查了臺灣民眾對當今生活環境的滿意度還有民怨其中幾乎是跨越各族群的共同的不滿一點就是高物價"},{"start":29435.306,"end":29450.903,"text":"這包含了我們生活的消費價格還有我們的居住正義的房屋價格以及醫療教育費用等整體高物價的這樣的一個感受所以我請問院長端午節要到了你知道現在一顆肉種要多少錢嗎"},{"start":29452.56,"end":29480.509,"text":"肉粽看它內餡是包什麼看它內餡包什麼從40塊到100塊都有一般店家的肉粽一般價像昨天黃仁勳董事長去吃的那個大概是50塊左右吧50塊但是我告訴你現在已經漲價了50塊是陽春的對啊內餡是什麼那是很陽春的現在一般要比較好吃一點的要7、80塊有100塊也有對於現人都要7、80塊"},{"start":29482.819,"end":29505.347,"text":"所以也有業者表示今年肉中一顆平均要漲5到12塊所以民眾都哀嚎到快買不下手了但是我在院長的施政方針報告中幾乎沒有看到院長就這一塊民眾最痛的點有明顯的琢磨那雖然說去年一整年的實質經常是薪資實質總薪資雙雙呈現這個是負成長"},{"start":29512.671,"end":29516.332,"text":"我們有觀察到今年的CPI還維持在我們可控的範圍內但我們不以此為滿足"},{"start":29541.566,"end":29550.195,"text":"我們的財政政策曾經想要用升息的方式但是我覺得還是用提高薪資的收入穩定物價的生產計畫"},{"start":29568.091,"end":29569.457,"text":"謝謝林思明委員的諮詢。謝謝卓院長的備詢。"},{"start":29576.456,"end":29594.548,"text":"報告委員會本日排定質詢的委員均已質詢完畢。謝謝卓院長、正副院長以及各部會首長的列席答詢。現在做以下決定。令定期繼續進行施政方針報告之質詢。六月四日星期二上午9點繼續開會。我們來進行討論事項。現在休息。"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}