{"error":false,"id":["15979"],"data":{"IVOD_ID":15979,"IVOD_URL":"https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/15979","日期":"2024-06-05","會議資料":null,"影片種類":"Full","開始時間":"2024-06-05T08:30:15+08:00","結束時間":"2024-06-05T10:10:00+08:00","影片長度":"01:39:45","支援功能":["ai-transcript"],"video_url":"https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/b41997f390c3528e558f108d180b0e1bad9f551ce5fa921f3be8d109af184be42a9c9aa0ff3563f85ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8","會議時間":"2024-06-05T09:00:00+08:00","會議名稱":"「財政收支劃分法修正草案」第一次初步審查會議（事由：「財政收支劃分法修正草案」第一次初步審查會議）","委員名稱":"完整會議","委員發言時間":"08:30:15 - 10:10:00","transcript":{"pyannote":[{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":2026.9884687500003,"end":2028.0515937500002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":2037.99096875,"end":2039.4253437500001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":2041.78784375,"end":2043.2728437500002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":2043.8128437500002,"end":2044.31909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":2045.02784375,"end":2046.4115937500003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":2046.7490937500002,"end":2049.5840937499997},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":2050.61346875,"end":2053.75221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_21","start":2054.2584687500002,"end":2058.22409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":2060.5865937500002,"end":2061.0928437500006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":2061.54846875,"end":2062.62846875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":2063.28659375,"end":2065.1765937500004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":2070.10409375,"end":2071.7578437500006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":2075.7234687500004,"end":2078.9803437500004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_15","start":2078.9803437500004,"end":2079.0309687500003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_15","start":2079.08159375,"end":2079.0984687500004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":2082.5240937500002,"end":2084.7684687500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":2088.97034375,"end":2090.35409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":2090.87721875,"end":2091.8897187500006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":2092.15971875,"end":2094.3028437500006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":2098.1503437500005,"end":2100.71534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":2103.4490937500004,"end":2105.59221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":2107.93784375,"end":2110.04721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":2112.9159687500005,"end":2117.3709687500004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":2117.75909375,"end":2159.99721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":2160.1153437500006,"end":2163.87846875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":2168.40096875,"end":2169.3965937500006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":2169.66659375,"end":2172.36659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":2176.1465937500006,"end":2179.40346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":2182.66034375,"end":2186.0859687500006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":2189.5790937500005,"end":2192.90346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":2196.1434687500005,"end":2199.0459687500006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":2202.92721875,"end":2204.85096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":2205.0703437500006,"end":2206.0997187500006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":2209.42409375,"end":2211.3309687500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":2211.6178437500002,"end":2212.7653437500003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":2216.1572187500005,"end":2218.3678437500002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":2218.5534687500003,"end":2219.7009687500004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":2223.22784375,"end":2226.67034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":2230.0622187500003,"end":2233.77471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":2236.9472187500005,"end":2238.95534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":2239.8497187500006,"end":2241.19971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":2245.21596875,"end":2247.4772187500002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":2250.5653437500005,"end":2251.18971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":2251.5778437500003,"end":2252.1853437500004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":2252.6072187500004,"end":2253.61971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":2253.78846875,"end":2255.00346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":2257.93971875,"end":2259.4247187500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":2259.9140937500006,"end":2261.01096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":2265.3309687500005,"end":2267.2040937500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":2267.6090937500003,"end":2268.60471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":2273.32971875,"end":2273.78534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":2274.1903437500005,"end":2276.1815937500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":2276.45159375,"end":2277.66659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":2281.7334687500006,"end":2282.34096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":2282.5603437500004,"end":2285.29409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":2285.8172187500004,"end":2287.0153437500003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":2290.60971875,"end":2292.46596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":2292.8034687500003,"end":2293.9678437500006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":2297.3428437500006,"end":2298.38909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":2298.6590937500005,"end":2300.73471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":2303.31659375,"end":2304.9872187500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":2308.27784375,"end":2310.67409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":2313.6778437500006,"end":2315.7028437500003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":2316.29346875,"end":2317.2215937500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":2317.5928437500006,"end":2318.58846875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":2321.5584687500004,"end":2323.09409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":2323.46534375,"end":2324.73096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":2328.5615937500006,"end":2330.1309687500006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":2330.4853437500005,"end":2331.59909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":2334.8897187500006,"end":2335.76721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":2336.59409375,"end":2337.7753437500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":2341.6228437500004,"end":2343.1922187500004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":2343.39471875,"end":2344.37346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":2347.5459687500006,"end":2349.18284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":2349.60471875,"end":2350.76909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":2354.85284375,"end":2355.3759687500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":2355.83159375,"end":2359.30784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":2363.84721875,"end":2372.3184687500006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":2372.4872187500005,"end":2375.77784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":2376.0309687500003,"end":2419.9228437500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":2420.4628437500005,"end":2421.15471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":2424.0234687500006,"end":2424.58034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":2424.76596875,"end":2425.72784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":2426.04846875,"end":2427.2128437500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":2428.1747187500005,"end":2428.93409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":2429.2715937500006,"end":2429.96346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":2431.58346875,"end":2432.66346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":2433.57471875,"end":2445.4209687500006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":2445.7078437500004,"end":2447.14221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":2447.42909375,"end":2449.16721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":2451.4959687500004,"end":2451.8503437500003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":2454.1959687500002,"end":2455.9678437500006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":2462.07659375,"end":2475.3740937500006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":2476.70721875,"end":2492.2997187500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":2492.73846875,"end":2500.3153437500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":2500.87221875,"end":2501.73284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":2502.2390937500004,"end":2505.2428437500002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":2505.3103437500004,"end":2517.5615937500006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":2517.9665937500004,"end":2520.9365937500006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":2521.56096875,"end":2524.1765937500004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":2524.3115937500006,"end":2529.6609687500004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":2530.0153437500003,"end":2530.9772187500002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":2531.50034375,"end":2535.04409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":2535.43221875,"end":2538.48659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":2538.8240937500004,"end":2546.8397187500004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":2548.07159375,"end":2550.97409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":2551.14284375,"end":2552.61096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":2552.83034375,"end":2553.79221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":2554.1297187500004,"end":2559.7490937500006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":2560.12034375,"end":2562.5672187500004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":2562.71909375,"end":2564.4909687500003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":2564.6090937500003,"end":2566.3134687500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":2566.76909375,"end":2567.71409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":2567.9334687500004,"end":2569.5028437500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":2569.90784375,"end":2572.7090937500006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":2572.9959687500004,"end":2575.30784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":2575.49346875,"end":2576.38784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":2577.3328437500004,"end":2578.34534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":2578.69971875,"end":2579.4422187500004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":2579.9822187500004,"end":2580.74159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":2580.9440937500003,"end":2583.0028437500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":2583.27284375,"end":2585.1122187500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":2585.24721875,"end":2587.4578437500004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":2587.5928437500006,"end":2588.94284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":2589.2128437500005,"end":2590.4615937500002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":2590.9509687500004,"end":2591.42346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":2592.3515937500006,"end":2594.61284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":2594.95034375,"end":2595.37221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":2595.74346875,"end":2597.56596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":2598.39284375,"end":2602.5778437500003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":2602.8984687500006,"end":2604.2653437500003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":2604.5184687500005,"end":2608.6190937500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":2608.63596875,"end":2609.98596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":2610.2897187500002,"end":2619.19971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":2619.68909375,"end":2620.56659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":2621.3934687500005,"end":2623.41846875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":2623.6715937500003,"end":2625.4434687500006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":2625.6628437500003,"end":2626.8272187500006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":2627.73846875,"end":2628.4303437500002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":2628.6159687500003,"end":2630.45534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":2630.89409375,"end":2632.88534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":2633.0203437500004,"end":2644.74846875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":2644.9509687500004,"end":2646.90846875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":2655.0084687500002,"end":2661.26909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":2661.45471875,"end":2664.1209687500004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":2664.32346875,"end":2665.90971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":2667.17534375,"end":2668.3565937500007},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":2668.5253437500005,"end":2672.7947187500004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":2673.2165937500004,"end":2679.6628437500003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":2679.9159687500005,"end":2683.02096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":2683.2909687500005,"end":2685.8897187500006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":2686.04159375,"end":2687.23971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":2687.3915937500005,"end":2688.1678437500004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":2690.3953437500004,"end":2690.56409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":2690.6315937500003,"end":2690.6990937500004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_06","start":2690.6990937500004,"end":2690.96909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":2690.96909375,"end":2691.44159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":2694.0909687500007,"end":2695.0359687500004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":2695.8797187500004,"end":2699.4403437500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":2700.5203437500004,"end":2705.73471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":2706.2578437500006,"end":2706.8653437500006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":2707.0847187500003,"end":2708.1647187500002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_12","start":2714.5772187500006,"end":2817.7340937500003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_12","start":2818.49346875,"end":2825.5809687500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_12","start":2826.4922187500006,"end":2829.2428437500002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_12","start":2829.5465937500003,"end":2840.38034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_12","start":2840.92034375,"end":2910.0065937500003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_12","start":2910.64784375,"end":2918.17409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":2920.5534687500003,"end":2921.92034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":2923.05096875,"end":2923.89471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":2924.1647187500002,"end":2925.53159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":2928.06284375,"end":2930.5603437500004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":2930.84721875,"end":2932.7372187500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":2934.86346875,"end":2937.69846875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":2941.4109687500004,"end":2944.9040937500004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":2950.5740937500004,"end":2952.5653437500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":2952.90284375,"end":2953.42596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":2953.91534375,"end":2957.77971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":2959.1465937500006,"end":2961.57659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":2961.7284687500005,"end":2964.05721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":2964.2428437500002,"end":2966.38596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":2966.7909687500005,"end":2972.2078437500004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":2972.8153437500005,"end":2975.0428437500004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":2975.80221875,"end":2979.7340937500003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":2980.1222187500007,"end":2997.48659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":2997.62159375,"end":2997.6384687500004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":2997.67221875,"end":3009.1640937500006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":3009.85596875,"end":3012.97784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":3013.65284375,"end":3014.3953437500004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":3014.5809687500005,"end":3022.98471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":3023.35596875,"end":3026.5790937500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":3027.4734687500004,"end":3032.4347187500007},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":3033.3965937500006,"end":3036.85596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":3037.6153437500006,"end":3042.8972187500003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":3043.3865937500004,"end":3053.66346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":3054.20346875,"end":3061.98284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":3062.3203437500006,"end":3065.05409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":3065.54346875,"end":3082.9922187500006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":3083.78534375,"end":3085.6247187500003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":3085.84409375,"end":3090.67034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":3091.44659375,"end":3101.38596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":3102.36471875,"end":3117.72096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":3117.9403437500005,"end":3124.04909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":3124.4372187500003,"end":3128.89221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_10","start":3129.78659375,"end":3134.30909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":3136.58721875,"end":3140.6540937500004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":3143.28659375,"end":3148.5009687500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":3152.2303437500004,"end":3157.09034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":3157.56284375,"end":3160.8028437500006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":3178.77471875,"end":3223.4259687500007},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":3223.79721875,"end":3238.57971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":3238.91721875,"end":3246.7978437500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":3247.5234687500006,"end":3263.5378437500003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":3263.89221875,"end":3281.42534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":3281.7628437500007,"end":3286.9772187500002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":3287.56784375,"end":3301.3209687500002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_08","start":3301.9453437500006,"end":3337.6022187500002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":3339.2390937500004,"end":3341.3990937500002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":3345.9215937500003,"end":3347.23784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":3347.7947187500004,"end":3350.8659687500003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":3351.20346875,"end":3355.79346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_19","start":3364.34909375,"end":3374.05221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_19","start":3374.4572187500007,"end":3431.3259687500004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_19","start":3431.6972187500005,"end":3442.9190937500007},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_19","start":3443.35784375,"end":3474.8972187500003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_19","start":3475.1334687500002,"end":3548.52284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_19","start":3548.8097187500007,"end":3575.0672187500004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_19","start":3575.2697187500007,"end":3576.0290937500004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_19","start":3576.5353437500007,"end":3592.7859687500004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_19","start":3593.0222187500003,"end":3600.4303437500002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_19","start":3602.0840937500006,"end":3641.9597187500003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":3645.4190937500007,"end":3646.46534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":3647.17409375,"end":3652.97909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":3653.28284375,"end":3653.92409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":3654.5147187500006,"end":3656.0840937500006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":3656.65784375,"end":3659.5097187500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":3659.72909375,"end":3661.70346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":3661.93971875,"end":3663.52596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":3663.81284375,"end":3666.7997187500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":3667.2384687500007,"end":3668.9597187500003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":3669.3815937500003,"end":3670.27596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_15","start":3682.2740937500002,"end":3685.93596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_15","start":3686.5097187500005,"end":3689.2772187500004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_15","start":3689.6315937500003,"end":3700.11096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_15","start":3700.27971875,"end":3707.6540937500004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_15","start":3708.78471875,"end":3713.4590937500006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_15","start":3714.0665937500007,"end":3719.87159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_15","start":3720.95159375,"end":3729.13596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_15","start":3730.11471875,"end":3730.6378437500007},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_15","start":3731.0934687500003,"end":3743.0240937500002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_15","start":3743.19284375,"end":3788.7722187500003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_15","start":3789.0422187500008,"end":3793.1090937500003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_15","start":3793.34534375,"end":3809.7478437500004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":3811.0978437500007,"end":3815.3503437500003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":3815.5359687500004,"end":3816.9197187500004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":3819.1472187500003,"end":3819.67034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":3819.97409375,"end":3820.69971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":3821.0878437500005,"end":3821.71221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":3822.4884687500007,"end":3823.5684687500006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":3824.24346875,"end":3825.10409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":3825.34034375,"end":3826.2853437500007},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":3835.0772187500006,"end":3836.0390937500006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":3836.2753437500005,"end":3838.9922187500006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":3839.54909375,"end":3842.68784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":3842.9072187500005,"end":3856.3565937500007},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":3856.42409375,"end":3858.3309687500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":3858.7528437500005,"end":3879.39096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":3879.76221875,"end":3882.34409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":3882.46221875,"end":3884.47034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":3885.01034375,"end":3946.0303437500006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_17","start":3946.35096875,"end":3991.84596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":3992.7740937500002,"end":3996.48659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":3998.54534375,"end":3999.15284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":4000.3678437500002,"end":4001.3465937500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":4002.5447187500004,"end":4003.5234687500006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":4003.7090937500006,"end":4004.8903437500003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_14","start":4012.0115937500004,"end":4015.0153437500003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_14","start":4015.3359687500006,"end":4063.3622187500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_14","start":4063.8515937500006,"end":4164.81471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":4164.932843750001,"end":4168.5947187500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":4170.552218750001,"end":4172.155343750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":4172.796593749999,"end":4174.062218749999},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":4174.214093750001,"end":4175.192843750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_11","start":4183.79909375,"end":4195.98284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_11","start":4196.11784375,"end":4213.38096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_11","start":4213.56659375,"end":4216.9247187500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_11","start":4217.009093750001,"end":4222.98284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_11","start":4223.202218750001,"end":4224.366593750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_11","start":4224.38346875,"end":4260.61409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_11","start":4260.76596875,"end":4262.942843750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_11","start":4263.14534375,"end":4277.387843750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_11","start":4277.607218749999,"end":4278.67034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_11","start":4278.82221875,"end":4281.6572187500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_11","start":4281.792218750001,"end":4284.374093750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":4287.124718749999,"end":4287.411593750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":4287.968468749999,"end":4288.03596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":4288.27221875,"end":4288.79534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":4290.56721875,"end":4291.124093750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":4292.5584687499995,"end":4293.030968749999},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":4294.110968749999,"end":4294.684718750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":4294.7353437500005,"end":4296.67596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":4298.07659375,"end":4298.903468750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":4299.224093750001,"end":4301.012843750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":4301.147843750001,"end":4302.16034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_07","start":4312.99409375,"end":4348.3134687500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_07","start":4348.954718749999,"end":4359.974093750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_07","start":4360.4803437499995,"end":4391.091593749999},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_07","start":4392.357218749999,"end":4437.126593749999},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":4438.56096875,"end":4441.767218749999},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":4445.81721875,"end":4457.41034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_18","start":4469.054093750001,"end":4481.2040937500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_18","start":4481.423468749999,"end":4483.14471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_18","start":4483.51596875,"end":4494.14721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_18","start":4494.501593749999,"end":4514.093468749999},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_18","start":4514.751593749999,"end":4519.88159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_18","start":4520.151593750001,"end":4526.17596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_18","start":4526.39534375,"end":4529.97284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":4529.97284375,"end":4530.4959687499995},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_18","start":4530.4959687499995,"end":4530.512843750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":4531.390343749999,"end":4534.967843750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":4536.638468749999,"end":4539.11909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":4539.2372187500005,"end":4540.41846875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_04","start":4556.382218750001,"end":4557.040343750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_04","start":4557.546593749999,"end":4564.22909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_04","start":4565.25846875,"end":4603.9022187499995},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_04","start":4604.77971875,"end":4615.51221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_04","start":4616.67659375,"end":4621.97534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_04","start":4622.380343750001,"end":4623.747218750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_04","start":4624.10159375,"end":4626.66659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_04","start":4626.7509687500005,"end":4628.573468750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_04","start":4629.14721875,"end":4634.63159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_04","start":4635.087218750001,"end":4638.5634687500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_04","start":4639.23846875,"end":4643.03534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_04","start":4643.339093750001,"end":4643.760968750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_04","start":4644.419093750001,"end":4648.94159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_04","start":4649.97096875,"end":4650.42659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_04","start":4651.18596875,"end":4653.76784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_04","start":4654.071593750001,"end":4658.30721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_04","start":4659.083468750001,"end":4662.23909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_04","start":4662.880343750001,"end":4666.964093750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_04","start":4667.4872187500005,"end":4672.65096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_04","start":4674.49034375,"end":4675.249718749999},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_04","start":4676.12721875,"end":4678.74284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_04","start":4678.962218750001,"end":4678.9959687499995},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_04","start":4679.046593749999,"end":4684.767218749999},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":4685.35784375,"end":4687.97346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":4689.47534375,"end":4693.10346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":4709.69159375,"end":4712.69534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":4713.083468750001,"end":4720.03596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":4721.014718750001,"end":4726.33034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":4727.5790937500005,"end":4731.460343750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":4731.6122187500005,"end":4758.25784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":4758.561593750001,"end":4804.41096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":4805.06909375,"end":4817.0165937500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":4817.53971875,"end":4822.55159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":4823.057843750001,"end":4824.8465937500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":4824.880343750001,"end":4828.3397187499995},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_09","start":4828.71096875,"end":4899.0965937500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":4899.24846875,"end":4902.134093750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":4902.99471875,"end":4907.92221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":4908.462218750001,"end":4909.79534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_16","start":4917.220343749999,"end":4923.919718749999},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_16","start":4924.45971875,"end":4974.02159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":4975.27034375,"end":4978.8309687500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":4979.32034375,"end":4984.905968749999},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":4986.86346875,"end":4992.76971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_05","start":5004.970343749999,"end":5005.13909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_05","start":5005.84784375,"end":5024.68034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_05","start":5025.06846875,"end":5039.715968750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_05","start":5039.901593750001,"end":5067.407843749999},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_05","start":5067.694718750001,"end":5076.975968750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_05","start":5077.904093749999,"end":5087.45534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_05","start":5088.06284375,"end":5089.632218750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_05","start":5090.44221875,"end":5098.2215937500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_05","start":5098.45784375,"end":5114.92784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":5115.839093750001,"end":5118.555968750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":5118.94409375,"end":5120.057843750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":5120.850968750001,"end":5121.745343750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":5121.9647187499995,"end":5129.40659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_21","start":5137.253468750001,"end":5141.843468749999},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_21","start":5142.29909375,"end":5143.41284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_21","start":5143.88534375,"end":5146.93971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_21","start":5148.880343750001,"end":5150.17971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_21","start":5150.854718750001,"end":5156.474093750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_21","start":5157.0478437500005,"end":5159.59596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_21","start":5159.96721875,"end":5172.91034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_21","start":5173.23096875,"end":5191.590968750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_21","start":5191.94534375,"end":5200.12971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_21","start":5201.513468749999,"end":5202.036593750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":5202.036593750001,"end":5202.795968750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_21","start":5202.795968750001,"end":5202.81284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":5203.4540937500005,"end":5205.61409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":5206.6434687500005,"end":5207.08221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":5207.92596875,"end":5208.66846875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":5209.61346875,"end":5210.30534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":5212.110968749999,"end":5212.85346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":5213.1572187500005,"end":5213.68034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":5214.270968750001,"end":5215.0809687500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":5215.401593750001,"end":5215.75596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":5220.278468750001,"end":5223.417218750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":5224.0584687499995,"end":5226.032843749999},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":5227.65284375,"end":5230.75784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":5230.92659375,"end":5242.31721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":5243.02596875,"end":5253.70784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":5254.5009687500005,"end":5282.479718750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":5283.458468750001,"end":5313.86721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":5314.71096875,"end":5332.69971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":5332.716593749999,"end":5335.028468750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":5335.78784375,"end":5358.231593750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":5359.0584687499995,"end":5360.44221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":5360.661593750001,"end":5384.894093750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":5385.872843749999,"end":5405.39721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":5405.73471875,"end":5408.77221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":5410.03784375,"end":5415.0497187500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":5415.53909375,"end":5417.63159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":5433.409718750001,"end":5440.446593750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":5440.85159375,"end":5472.644093750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":5472.89721875,"end":5475.63096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":5475.7997187500005,"end":5529.58034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":5530.019093750001,"end":5543.11409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":5544.075968749999,"end":5554.09971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_13","start":5554.52159375,"end":5574.24846875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":5575.9697187500005,"end":5576.40846875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":5577.555968750001,"end":5580.49221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":5582.21346875,"end":5583.360968749999},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":5584.18784375,"end":5586.39846875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":5595.932843750001,"end":5605.88909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":5606.04096875,"end":5606.73284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":5607.036593750001,"end":5623.675343750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":5624.02971875,"end":5637.02346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":5637.090968750001,"end":5641.1747187500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":5641.7822187500005,"end":5645.528468750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":5647.23284375,"end":5647.65471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":5647.907843749999,"end":5648.54909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":5649.038468750001,"end":5650.5740937499995},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":5651.36721875,"end":5651.92409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":5652.1434687500005,"end":5653.358468750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":5655.82221875,"end":5658.083468750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_03","start":5663.753468750001,"end":5664.225968750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_03","start":5665.204718749999,"end":5674.14846875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_03","start":5674.60409375,"end":5691.597218750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_03","start":5692.55909375,"end":5722.19159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_03","start":5722.32659375,"end":5727.62534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_03","start":5727.99659375,"end":5730.966593749999},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_03","start":5731.0340937500005,"end":5735.151593750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_03","start":5735.3709687499995,"end":5739.5897187499995},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_03","start":5739.96096875,"end":5743.909718750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":5746.069718750001,"end":5746.84596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":5747.30159375,"end":5747.97659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":5748.56721875,"end":5750.052218750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":5750.339093750001,"end":5754.186593750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":5754.49034375,"end":5755.09784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":5757.510968750001,"end":5759.569718750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_20","start":5766.842843750001,"end":5767.65284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_20","start":5767.88909375,"end":5794.36596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_20","start":5794.770968750001,"end":5808.28784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_20","start":5808.591593749999,"end":5809.09784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_20","start":5809.536593750001,"end":5825.36534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_20","start":5826.0740937499995,"end":5829.34784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_20","start":5829.887843750001,"end":5834.376593750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_20","start":5834.91659375,"end":5844.72096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_20","start":5845.24409375,"end":5861.69721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_20","start":5861.950343750001,"end":5868.86909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":5873.003468750001,"end":5876.800343750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":5877.28971875,"end":5879.36534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":5880.05721875,"end":5885.69346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":5889.0009687500005,"end":5894.2997187500005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":5895.042218750001,"end":5902.97346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":5903.46284375,"end":5908.069718750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":5908.74471875,"end":5915.292218750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":5915.54534375,"end":5921.95784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":5923.1728437500005,"end":5926.632218750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":5928.2353437500005,"end":5934.934718750001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":5935.6434687500005,"end":5950.03784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":5950.29096875,"end":5951.235968750001}],"whisperx":[{"start":2027.034,"end":2028.235,"text":"好 各位大家早安請準備一報告初席人數報告委員會初席委員與主法定人數現在開始開會請議事人員宣讀今日議程"},{"start":2054.504,"end":2078.455,"text":"財政收支劃分法修正草案第一次初步審查會議 宣傳畢介紹現場王宏威王委員張祺凱張委員王委員王美惠王委員"},{"start":2083.531,"end":2109.782,"text":"剛剛還有吳秉瑞吳委員好 謝謝介紹財政部部長 莊翠雲 莊部長法制處代理處長 黃慧玲國庫署署長 陳柏澄負稅署署長 宋秀玲"},{"start":2112.91,"end":2112.97,"text":"主席"},{"start":2135.15,"end":2136.331,"text":"臺北市政府財政局局長胡曉蘭"},{"start":2168.444,"end":2192.606,"text":"新北市政府財政局局長陳榮貴臺原市政府財政局局長歐美環臺中市政府財政局局長游麗玲臺南市政府副秘書長殷世熙"},{"start":2196.332,"end":2219.44,"text":"財政稅務局專門委員陳家慶高雄市政府財政局局長陳永勝新竹縣政府財政局處長彭慧珠苗栗縣政府財政處副處長王淑欣"},{"start":2223.274,"end":2246.222,"text":"南投縣政府財政處處長李良珠張化縣政府財政處副處長蕭元廷雲林縣政府副縣長謝淑雅財政處副處長張志萌"},{"start":2250.609,"end":2252.831,"text":"介紹花蓮縣政府財政處處長劉台文"},{"start":2282.63,"end":2304.047,"text":"臺東縣政府財政及經濟發展處副處長 葉振鶴澎湖縣政府財政處處長 鄭家威金門縣政府代理秘書長 王登偉參議呂清福財政處處長 陳國廷"},{"start":2314.516,"end":2330.947,"text":"臨江縣財政稅務局局長陳瑞金基隆市政府秘書長方定安新竹市政府秘書長張志祥財政處科長楊子賢"},{"start":2341.67,"end":2358.713,"text":"嘉義市政府副市長 林瑞燕財政稅務局科長 張孟華介紹 與會立委李燕秀 李委員"},{"start":2363.885,"end":2386.024,"text":"那今天已成安排財政收支劃分法修正草案第一次初步審查會議那因為因應這個法有關二十二縣市所以我們看到各黨團包括柯總召包括洪孟凱包括民眾黨我們張祺凱也在現場還有"},{"start":2390.808,"end":2415.899,"text":"黃國昌黃先生他們大家都很關心這個問題所以我們就充分的發言讓大家多聆聽一下地方的需求既然是中央跟地方夥伴關係我們就是會全力來支持我想很多113個立委很多都從地方來自地方所以我們要關心地方支持地方所以今天的主角是22縣市與會代表"},{"start":2419.341,"end":2448.986,"text":"那我們現在請財政部部長要不要再說明一下聽大家的意見嗎好那我們就請地方開始那因為我們這一次二二縣市也歡迎副市長有來我們是不是請嘉義市政府副市長林瑞燕發言"},{"start":2451.513,"end":2452.294,"text":"各位媒體先進 大家早安 大家好"},{"start":2477.535,"end":2500.145,"text":"代表華民會市長到這邊來發言因為華民會市長到韓國去考察不然他本來是今天要過來的那有關於財政收支劃分法的分配有關於統籌款的分配其實它主要是要調劑地方的財政營需以及提升地方財政的自主能力還有均衡地方的發展"},{"start":2500.945,"end":2520.77,"text":"那因為長期以來整個經濟情勢的變更之後那在分配的部分已經產生了明顯的垂直不公就是中央跟地方還有水平的不公就是地方政府之間的失衡那造成縣市政府在財政的困窘"},{"start":2521.73,"end":2545.701,"text":"其實要談財政收支劃分法應該要把中央對地方的協助跟補助大家一起談就是有關於統籌款、一般性補助款還有計劃型補助的部分那計劃型補助的部分其實我想各縣市都一樣都有很多價位都需要中央的支持和鼓勵但是這一部分我們先把它放在旁邊"},{"start":2548.38,"end":2576.112,"text":"計劃型補助有問題所以說大家會回來來談統籌款的問題但是今天要談統籌款我們會建議說統籌款跟一般性補助款應該要一起講因為統籌款目前的補助狀況是把統籌款分配之後放到主計總處的一般性補助款來當基本財政收支來計算基本財政收支差短所以說要談的這個部分必須跟"},{"start":2577.369,"end":2577.99,"text":"第二次初步審查會議：完整會議"},{"start":2599.07,"end":2626.449,"text":"應該要提供各縣市政府平均分配這個部分因為每個縣市政府要做的事情幾乎都一樣只是多跟少這個應該要仿照公立彩券的分配方式先提供固定比例來做分配這個分配我們建議最少不低於20%另外就是有關於省轄市的部分我們會建議予以加權我想今天最"},{"start":2627.779,"end":2629.941,"text":"第一次初步審查會議：完整會議：完整"},{"start":2655.069,"end":2655.509,"text":"第二次初步審查會議：完整會議"},{"start":2667.233,"end":2687.989,"text":"特別統籌的部分應該在年度結束之後全數再分配給各個地方再來一個很重要的點就是我們希望能夠重新來檢視支出跟收入中央請客的部分請中央買單這樣子的話可以減少地方上非常多的支出以上報告謝謝"},{"start":2695.949,"end":2703.979,"text":"謝謝嘉義市副市長林瑞燕接著請雲林縣政府副縣長也來了請副縣長謝淑雅"},{"start":2714.802,"end":2722.99,"text":"主席部長以及議會各位委員還有我們二十所有縣市夥伴那媒體先敬大家好今天因為我們縣長的話在議會不可承來所以包括我們的財長也沒有辦法過來那我這邊的話第一個先謝謝我們主席那就今天來舉行這樣子的一個"},{"start":2738.065,"end":2738.245,"text":"主席"},{"start":2761.038,"end":2761.239,"text":"第二次初步審查會議"},{"start":2777.892,"end":2778.532,"text":"第二次初步審查會議：完整會議：完整會議"},{"start":2797.924,"end":2822.676,"text":"有百分之多少呢?我們有將近三分之二是要變成是農地那我們要擔任這個全國糧倉的這個重責大任那大家想想看我剛剛一來的時候在那個立法院附近我還問我同仁說欸我們立法院這裡一百多少?一百多少?他說可能要三五百萬喔三五百萬那你知道我們雲林喔像我住那個村莊農地一分,一分多少?一百萬"},{"start":2826.513,"end":2826.833,"text":"第一次初步審查會議：完整會議：完整會議"},{"start":2842.344,"end":2842.644,"text":"第二次初步審查會議．"},{"start":2862.659,"end":2863.019,"text":"第三次初步審查會議：完整會議：完整會議"},{"start":2884.76,"end":2909.514,"text":"當然對於雲林縣來講我們又配合了國家的重大經濟政策我們來承擔所有石化業的特別犧牲所以依照我們的財政收支劃分法三十五條之一的第二項要獲得合理的專款補助所以這個以上做一個報告我們一百一十一年我們雲林縣的繳稅是多少呢?七百二十一億"},{"start":2911.215,"end":2912.636,"text":"臺北市政府財政局局長胡曉蘭"},{"start":2941.545,"end":2944.427,"text":"補充介紹現場 林倩琦 林委員"},{"start":2959.389,"end":2969.381,"text":"財化法從88年修正至今﹐已經超過25年沒有修正本次立法院召開審查會議﹐臺北市政府非常樂見各界秉持開放的態度﹐專業地來討論這個議題25年間歷經地方改制﹐"},{"start":2975.848,"end":2984.817,"text":"直轄市從二都變成六都﹐地方的市權增加﹐經費的需求也隨同增加﹐但是﹐中央統籌分配稅款的來源﹐依舊是所得稅10%﹐婚務稅10%﹐營業稅40%﹐"},{"start":2993.827,"end":3008.708,"text":"縣協財源已經無法滿足地方發展的需要為了根本解決地方財政問題 中央應該檢討修正財化法把柄做大 擴大釋出給地方的財源 以減輕地方財政的壓力"},{"start":3010.05,"end":3035.648,"text":"臺北市政府具體提出三點建議首先是營業稅百分之百回歸為地方財源其中百分之五十按各地的營利事業營業額分配另外的百分之五十納入統籌分配營業稅在財化法八十八年修法前為省市稅不是中央財源本次修法建議百分之百回歸為地方財源"},{"start":3037.659,"end":3064.622,"text":"另外營業稅在88年修法前執霞市可以自留50%所以建議其中50%按各地營利事業營業分配我們的理由是成本負擔的原因以及與地方共享招商的成果我們都知道商業較興盛的地方就業人口較多發展快速地方同時必須負擔較高的交通、醫療、教育等成本施政的成本較高"},{"start":3065.823,"end":3082.659,"text":"現行制度中也未能將地方政府努力創造財政收入、招商就業的成果和貢獻與所獲得的統籌分配稅款之間有明確的正向連結導致現行的制度欠缺財政激勵效果"},{"start":3083.98,"end":3099.995,"text":"為了強化地方政府財政努力誘因機制：積極創造財政收入開源的動力這個盈利事業營業額最能反映地方的經濟發展所以我們具體建議營業稅的50%按各地方盈利事業營業額分配"},{"start":3102.418,"end":3122.411,"text":"第二項的具體建議是必須保障地方社福教育基本設施的一般性補助款我們知道這個現行的一般性補助是支應地方社福教育及基本設施影響民眾權益重大所以不得少於所得稅總收入10%與貨物稅總收入10%的合計數第三項具體建議是不能中央請客地方買單"},{"start":3130.004,"end":3134.006,"text":"臺北市政府以上三點的具體建議,敬請各委員支持"},{"start":3152.424,"end":3159.295,"text":"歡迎全省原來是客,我們就先請高雄市政府財政局局長陳永勝"},{"start":3179.406,"end":3207.152,"text":"謝謝昭緯點名我想也感謝部長在座的各位委員在座的22縣市的地方的首長以及所有的一些媒體以及漁業先進大家早安大家好我想謝謝貴會安排這樣的一個審查會議我想整個這樣的一個財劃法的修正我想要重視的是水平跟垂直的一個公平我想22縣市今天的未來也代表說整個水平公平的一個部分尤其的重要"},{"start":3207.432,"end":3207.732,"text":"第二次初步審查會議"},{"start":3223.988,"end":3225.109,"text":"第二次初步審查會議：完整會議：完整會議"},{"start":3247.574,"end":3272.661,"text":"我想任何單一的一個指標都沒辦法代表整個22縣市的一個指標以目前來講,譬如我舉例以目前來講,我們整個目前2050年,整個要邁向我們整個國家的一個淨領的一個城市各項的一些淨領的指標我想從不管我們各地方縣市政府他不同的區域的一個考量譬如從黃碳、綠碳、藍碳"},{"start":3274.599,"end":3275.92,"text":"第二次初步審查會議：完整會議：完整會議：完整會議"},{"start":3302.669,"end":3304.39,"text":"第二次初步審查會議：完整會議：完整"},{"start":3321.466,"end":3337.37,"text":"所以整體而言我們高雄市政府我們認為即時廣益大家討論絕對是好事但是我想我們要提出的就是說要重視每項的一個指標才讓我們22縣市每個都會共好以上謝謝謝謝陳永勝陳局長接著請"},{"start":3347.847,"end":3354.473,"text":"台南市局長先請新北市政府財政局局長陳榮貴"},{"start":3364.76,"end":3389.57,"text":"主席：各位委員：財政部中央部長：以及署長：還有我們各縣市級處長：各位夥伴大家好我們都知道財劃二法是規範中央跟地方的財政的垂直分配法規還有各地方政府間水平分配的基本法規對地方的財源自主是至關重要"},{"start":3390.33,"end":3409.539,"text":"而這麼重要的法規：剛剛很多級處長都有講的：從88年修正：到現在：經過這麼多：也經過了以前只有北高兩個縣市：目前已經有六都：但財政配套卻沒有跟進到位：所以我們才會一直呼籲要修改財劃法"},{"start":3410.68,"end":3430.783,"text":"在修法前 中央跟地方總收入比重 60 比 40% 88年修法後 從 113年來看是 75 比 25%我們從這裡就可以看到 京省後 中央從地方都拿走了全國總收入的 15%造成中央與地方收入垂直失衡 比京省前更嚴重"},{"start":3431.984,"end":3450.14,"text":"現在我們希望22縣市都有共識﹐大家先求有再求好﹐把精神厚中央都拿走的15%還給地方﹐讓地方有足夠的財源來做建設﹐真正解決地方的財政問題﹐還有報宅中央說財劃法修法厚﹐近10年中央有撥補給﹐"},{"start":3450.981,"end":3452.102,"text":"財政收支劃分法修正草案"},{"start":3475.265,"end":3498.78,"text":"所增加的依法應分配地方的錢並不是中央額外都給的我們如果以此作為推遲修法的理由其實並不合理至於中央說還錢給地方恐影響國防外交社會福利重大建設推動依憲法107條108條規定國防外交跨省市建設本來就是中央應辦理的事項"},{"start":3499.7,"end":3527.629,"text":"過去的十大建設中央也是在原本分配到60%收入內辦理所以只要中央願意調整預算執行的訊息本來就不會有對國防外交重大建設產生影響作為一個負責任的政府我們應該要嚴守財政紀律由中央撿起袖子做給各地方政府看以每年編列預算時前面檢討各項施政的訊息將國家安全、教育文化"},{"start":3528.069,"end":3529.83,"text":"我跟主席報告我剛有跟彰化縣政府借時間可以給我嗎"},{"start":3553.32,"end":3554.701,"text":"財政收支劃分法修正草案"},{"start":3576.536,"end":3577.837,"text":"第一次初步審查會議：完整會議：完整"},{"start":3602.148,"end":3623.604,"text":"最後中央所說明記共識當然很必要而多拿的收入還給地方政府就是地方最大的共識中央應秉持人民至上優先解決對社會有益 朝野共識議題同時落實憲法人人平等及地方自治精神前提下並以簡化花衣公事分配"},{"start":3624.324,"end":3641.935,"text":"提出修正案讓地方政府有足夠的財政資源推動公共服務讓居住不同縣市人民都享有公平資源獲得政府提供服務及照顧而不是說對地方分配還沒有共識而將責任推給地方 以上報告好 謝謝很感謝 願意照顧一些離島偏鄉"},{"start":3654.588,"end":3668.729,"text":"就是希望中央多拿一些過去的15%的部分那這個精神很好齁那這樣子既然要照顧李導那我們就是不是請林江縣財政稅務局的局長陳穗金"},{"start":3683.278,"end":3707.39,"text":"謝謝 謝謝委員 連江縣在這裡簡短表示連江縣為在離島中的離島分佈四鄉五島那本縣呢自主的財力不足自籌款不到百分之八應該說是屬於現在五級財力之下我所希望的就是希望各委員財政部以及各縣市能給我們小小的關愛跟支持"},{"start":3709.057,"end":3727.397,"text":"依照財政發分法第八條第四項規定我提的是燕九歲的部分燕九歲應該以他的總收入18%按人口比例分配給臺灣各縣市那2%依照人口分配給金門縣及連江兩縣"},{"start":3730.185,"end":3755.778,"text":"那依照目前分配的比例一百一十二年在金門縣燕九歲就分配到七億五千多萬那反觀連江縣燕九歲只分配到七千萬那金門縣呢占分配數的百分之九十二點四三那連江縣只占到百分之八點五七那原因說明如下我們希望齁在八十八年的守財劃法的時候"},{"start":3757.159,"end":3757.84,"text":"二次初步審查會議：完整會議"},{"start":3775.231,"end":3775.832,"text":"第二次初步審查會議：完整會議：完整會議"},{"start":3793.544,"end":3809.549,"text":"所以除了前天我們談到的統籌分配款希望最少能夠加到五億我也希望在菸酒稅方面能夠做適度的考量修正以金馬兩線收的來以人口來分配以上謝謝謝謝連江的陳瑞金陳局長謝謝那接下來我們請"},{"start":3822.52,"end":3826.037,"text":"台南市政府副秘書長殷士熙"},{"start":3835.451,"end":3857.388,"text":"主席、各位委員、部長以及我們各地方政府的代表以及媒體先進大家好因為市長也在議會當中代表黃市長來做市長的一個表態市長感謝各位委員對於整個財政劃分法的一個修正要將某個比例下放給地方當然是樂觀其成"},{"start":3859.149,"end":3860.75,"text":"財政分法修正草案"},{"start":3885.057,"end":3885.277,"text":"第二次初步審查會議：完整會議"},{"start":3905.749,"end":3905.869,"text":"財政劇力"},{"start":3923.78,"end":3924.22,"text":"第二次初步審查會議：完整會議：完整會議"},{"start":3951.309,"end":3951.69,"text":"第一次初步審查會議：完整會議"},{"start":3976.67,"end":3978.071,"text":"桃園市財政局局長 歐美環"},{"start":4012.265,"end":4025.417,"text":"大會主席羅昭偉各位委員我們的長官還有各位媒體先進朋友大家好桃園在這邊表示一下目前國稅與地方稅的劃分國稅佔了總收入的89%地方稅還不到11%各縣市政府的自有財源是偏低的"},{"start":4035.345,"end":4035.965,"text":"第二次初步審查會議：完整會議"},{"start":4063.891,"end":4064.512,"text":"一般性補助排行第17名"},{"start":4081.415,"end":4097.189,"text":"等各縣市政府得到共識之後會進入修法的程序但是我們知道這麼長久以來各縣市都有它各有利的指標例如桃園市的重要指標就是工業產值還有我們的財政努力但是分配的指標要各縣市有共識幾乎是不可求的我們已經不再期待希望不要因為它而延誤了財政收支劃分法的修法"},{"start":4105.657,"end":4105.957,"text":"第二次初步審查會議：完整"},{"start":4128.893,"end":4152.921,"text":"分配的結果是跟現行的統籌加上一般性補助各縣市都是會增加的我們認為它是確有它的可行性也會讓各縣市接受度是比較高的以上我們是支持著國民黨提出的版本主要是要讓中央把餅做大給地方確保地方有足夠的財源修法才能夠落實執行我們再來談談各縣市的分配方式來減輕地方政府的財力負擔"},{"start":4158.463,"end":4163.345,"text":"提升地方的財政自主,並且期待加速圓滿完成修法。"},{"start":4184.197,"end":4203.27,"text":"主席：各位委員：部長：以及各位夥伴們媒體先進們大家好依據行政院主計總署歷年各級政府淨收支概況表裏面有提到88年的今省前中央收入比率是60.1%支出比率是58%收支比率上數相當111年收入比率是72.6%支出比率是60.2%"},{"start":4213.937,"end":4228.696,"text":"收支比率落差有12.4%顯見中央跟地方的收支劃分結構失衡所以使得地方財政捉襟見拙各項施政以及建設難以推展以目前來講"},{"start":4229.757,"end":4247.514,"text":"財政收支劃分法提出來的修正草案有十七案中裏面有十三案都是希望能夠擴大中央統籌分配稅款的規模然後來釋出這些財源其實大家的共同點就是希望能夠擴大分配稅款的規模"},{"start":4251.678,"end":4278.422,"text":"至於分配的部分﹐分配的比例來講的話﹐因為如果說地方政府競相提出﹐各自有力的分配比例以及指標權重﹐那實屬零和競爭﹐然後修法的共識﹐所以我們認為﹐台中市認為說﹐中央擴大釋出財源﹐將中央統籌分配稅款這塊餅做大﹐並維持既有的分配方式﹐來讓各個地方政府的貨配額都大幅的提高﹐"},{"start":4278.962,"end":4300.769,"text":"使能夠有效的解決地方財政困境並能夠來加速建設以上報告好謝謝謝謝游麗玲游局長接著請宜蘭縣政府秘書長吳志宏"},{"start":4313.235,"end":4328.494,"text":"主席、各位委員、我們財政部莊部長還有我們22縣市的與會代表現場的媒體記者、女士先生大家早安、大家好那因為林志邁縣長現在在議會所以說只派本人來出席代表發言"},{"start":4329.551,"end":4347.847,"text":"那宜蘭縣好山好水但是卻因財政窘迫而沒有好的建設發展那在地理上大家都把宜蘭歸為東部縣市但是花東地區發展條例跟花東地區永續發展基金給予東部縣市補助的時候宜蘭卻不算在內"},{"start":4349.008,"end":4359.617,"text":"那宜蘭也離首都圈台北很近那北北基桃一日生活圈的建設經費挹注的時候宜蘭也不屬於北部縣市所以又被排除在外"},{"start":4360.56,"end":4380.957,"text":"那目前宜蘭縣每年分配到的統籌分配稅款還不足以支應我們基準的財政短差大概差了差不多將近30億那宜蘭縣最近幾年財政體質雖稍有改善不過但是韌性方面有待加強尤其一些地方的交通建設比如說鐵路高架"},{"start":4381.557,"end":4404.975,"text":"依然聯絡到羅東聯絡到等相關的交通建設都還不宜再遲延了所以說我們急需相關的裁員來配合所以依然先贊成趕快迅速的修正財政收支劃分法因為已經談了25年了那我們也支持立法院共識最高的版本"},{"start":4405.765,"end":4423.743,"text":"那來提升我們財政自主跟區域平衡發展不論是垂直或水平的分配方式很明確那如果有一些保底的設計比如說一般性補助跟統籌分配稅款不少於修正施行前的一年的預算編列數"},{"start":4424.824,"end":4440.999,"text":"那這個通過後可以馬上來實施所以我們這邊也期待趕快迅速來修正財政收支劃分法讓它通過支持立法院共識最高的版本以上謝謝宜蘭縣政府吳志宏秘書長"},{"start":4445.885,"end":4456.864,"text":"接著因為李導他們坐飛機很辛苦我們是照顧一下李導來聽聽他們的心聲請金門縣政府代理秘書長王登偉"},{"start":4469.29,"end":4493.747,"text":"召委各位委員：各位長官：各位與會先進大家好金門財政急需中央的支持九十一年實施菸酒稅法到現在金門財政收入已經短少了兩百多億迄今都還沒有依法彌補另外金門還有很多不合理的負擔譬如本島省倒是由中央負責但金門蓋一個一百億的大橋縣府卻要負擔百分之五十"},{"start":4494.628,"end":4495.248,"text":"財政收支劃分法修正草案"},{"start":4514.818,"end":4540.126,"text":"今年我們也不得不停辦23項總計102億的重大工程如果要橫平區域發展金門每年最少需要增加90億元稅款我們比較支持立院的共識版本好 謝謝好 謝謝金門的代理秘書長王登偉接著請基隆市政府秘書長方定安"},{"start":4556.414,"end":4563.93,"text":"主席 各位委員 還有各位長官各位我們地方的夥伴們 大家早安"},{"start":4565.302,"end":4591.263,"text":"那今天我們針對基隆的部分來做一個報告首先本市的財政狀況自籌款的收入大約是25%統籌款的收入分配大約25%補助收入在50%那在廢除商感建設費後本市的財源仰賴中央的程度非常非常的大其中補助收入"},{"start":4591.823,"end":4614.615,"text":"更將近達50%但是目前補助收入分配的公式設計複雜並沒有適當的列入地方財政努力的因素另外現行需由地方向中央爭取競爭機制不明各縣市容易誤解市場不公平的一個競爭"},{"start":4616.741,"end":4642.694,"text":"所以我們對於這個未來能夠得到的這些相關的補助收入也不明確對於我們下個年度所要施政的方向也就沒有辦法更明確的掌握建設經費的來源所以為了提升財政的自主性以及公平性本市建議擴大統籌分配款"},{"start":4644.474,"end":4672.496,"text":"分配稅款規模為財劃法優先的修法方向透過修正財劃法分配比率充實地方建設進而提高財政的自主權也是本市急需面臨的議題本市未來面臨重大的建設基隆捷運因此基隆市除支持擴大統籌分配稅款規模修法方向外"},{"start":4674.534,"end":4691.524,"text":"更朝能夠優先審查通過那最後我們經過審視我們支持國民黨的版本以上謝謝謝謝方廷安方秘書長接著請新竹市政府秘書長張志祥"},{"start":4710.021,"end":4725.797,"text":"主席、各位委員、部長我們各位財政夥伴以及各位媒體先進大家早安今天是我們新竹市兩位因公殉職的弟兄的功績所以由我代表來出席今天的會議"},{"start":4727.859,"end":4749.762,"text":"我們有提書面報告,也請各位可以參閱有關於財政收支劃分法的修正本是建議在部裡面希望能夠達到均衡地區發展的這個目標之外我們希望除了擴大地方政府的財源劃一直轄市跟縣市的分配基礎之外"},{"start":4750.242,"end":4769.222,"text":"有一個非常重要的關鍵是拜託一定要合理考量地方的財政努力地方的稅收貢獻新竹市因為新竹的竹科竹科所在我們的戶籍人數只有45萬但是我們經常的流動人口超過60萬"},{"start":4771.284,"end":4800.262,"text":"新竹市竹科裡面正式就業的員工也已經超過17萬這樣的公共建設的量能我們實在是真的是超出的需求超出我們新竹市可以的負荷所以在各項教育、交通、環保、治安以及消防等這些園區外溢的成本通通要由新竹市自己來負擔尤其近年因為人口的暴增各縣市人口在減少當然新竹市人口是來增加的"},{"start":4801.122,"end":4816.7,"text":"在興建校舍跟交通改善上這幾個面向實在是迫在眉睫所以北府今年積極處理教育跟交通等相關民生議題所需的經費真的非常非常龐大不是我們市府的財政所能負擔的"},{"start":4817.891,"end":4831.623,"text":"在這裡有一個數字想跟各位委員：跟主席：以及各位先進來做一個報告現行的財政收支劃分法的制度上其實沒有充分的考慮到稅收的貢獻新竹市112年度上繳國稅2889億"},{"start":4837.208,"end":4853.372,"text":"我們平均每個市民上繳63萬元全國第一但是配回的統籌分配稅款及一般性補助款合起來只有100億相當於每一個配回率只有3.5%全國最低"},{"start":4853.872,"end":4853.892,"text":"委員："},{"start":4872.807,"end":4872.967,"text":"謝謝張志祥張秘書長"},{"start":4903.069,"end":4907.484,"text":"接著我們離島左飛起來的很遠的還有澎湖縣的處長鄭家威"},{"start":4917.51,"end":4942.12,"text":"親愛的主席 親愛的各位委員 部長 各位長官還有我們各縣市的夥伴們 大家早安 大家好我想彭吳縣在這裡要由衷的感謝主席因為財劃法的一個修正 我們聽到樓梯響那麼多年今天終於看到一線曙光那我想彭吳縣 我們珍惜這次曙光我們希望議題能夠收攏聚焦 能有最後的結果"},{"start":4942.5,"end":4942.84,"text":"第二次初步審查會議"},{"start":4962.318,"end":4962.878,"text":"蔡奕瑜 蔡委員"},{"start":4987.152,"end":4992.46,"text":"也是來自地方的,所以我們請嘉義縣財政稅務局局長,蕭俊明"},{"start":5005.889,"end":5024.36,"text":"財務部長、財政夥伴、媒體先生、女士、大家早財務部長、財政夥伴、媒體先生、女士、大家早財務部長、財政夥伴、媒體先生、女士、大家早財務部長、財政夥伴、媒體先生、女士、大家早財務部長、財政夥伴、媒體先生、女士、大家早財務部長、財政夥伴、媒體先生、女士、大家早財務部長、財政夥伴、媒體先生、女士、大家早財務部長、財政夥伴、媒體先生、女士、大家早財務部長、財政夥伴、媒體先生、女士、大家早財務部長、財"},{"start":5025.22,"end":5046.361,"text":"修正的部分我們縣有提出三個訴求這個部分我們第一個部分是若市縣市需要幫忙因為我們老的人口也是最多的然後整個比例也很高那償要經費的話也逐年在成長那這個部分已經超乎我們可以負擔的部分那另外的部分就是從剛剛余寧縣縣副縣長"},{"start":5049.204,"end":5076.426,"text":"所講的農業縣市我們需要特別照顧因為國土計畫有實施對農業縣市是一個很很大的損失而且我們目前議會在開議中也針對國土計畫的部分一直在大家一直在抗議這個部分那所以我們希望說這部分有特別的考量那還有另外一個部分我們嘉義縣正在正在轉型起飛由農業縣變成現在目前有一點有一點未來會發展成農工科技大縣的部分那所以說很多基礎的建設"},{"start":5077.947,"end":5078.087,"text":"財政能力"},{"start":5090.452,"end":5090.772,"text":"第一次初步審查會議：完整會議"},{"start":5116.349,"end":5127.448,"text":"謝謝江海縣蕭俊明蕭局長接著請之前是受災嚴重地震花蓮縣政府財政處處長劉台文"},{"start":5137.681,"end":5159.341,"text":"主席、各位委員、各位同仁、各位同仁、各位同仁、各位同仁、各位同仁、各位同仁、各位同仁、各位同仁、各位同仁、各位同仁、各位同仁、各位同仁、各位同仁、各位同仁、各位同仁、各位同仁、各位同仁、各位同仁、各位同仁、各位同仁、各位同仁、各位同仁、各位同仁、各位同仁、各位同仁、各位同仁、各位同仁、各位同仁、各位同仁、各位同仁、各位同仁、各位同仁、各位同仁、各位同仁、各位同仁、各位同仁、各位同仁、各位同仁、各位同仁、各位同仁、各位同仁、各位同仁、各位同仁、各位"},{"start":5160.169,"end":5183.928,"text":"我想在這邊各位報告因為大家前面的前輩已經講了很多了我也不再贅述我是想說我們在後單班的縣市其實等待太久了那我想我們也只有一個原則希望如同其實很多的機會大家在討論財劃法的時候財政部一切的保證只會多不會少我想這個原則能夠確立的話"},{"start":5186.03,"end":5186.17,"text":"新竹縣"},{"start":5212.325,"end":5224.605,"text":"財政處處長彭慧珠因為時間關係,我們是不是再延長十分鐘沒有意見,確定"},{"start":5227.714,"end":5253.062,"text":"主席部長還有各位委員還有各位同伴還有媒體朋友們大家好新竹縣代表那因為我們想出國考察所以只派我來代表參加我想首先先從一些數據來說明一下整個童收分配稅款財劃法的一些重要的地方財源不平衡的一些狀況所以從稅率的部分來看"},{"start":5254.571,"end":5281.737,"text":"我們一百一三年度的稅率算三百四十五億那其中呢﹐屬於中央款的部分﹐就有兩百四十三億也就是將近七成﹐都是仰賴中央的包括統促分配稅款有六十二億一般性補助款是三點七八億然後計劃性補助款一百零七億那也就是說﹐即便我們新竹縣﹐非常積極努力在徵收稅我們這幾年稅收都收得非常的好我們土增稅呈現一個﹐"},{"start":5283.497,"end":5284.038,"text":"第一次初步審查會議：完整"},{"start":5299.657,"end":5301.179,"text":"財政收支劃分法"},{"start":5314.82,"end":5315.341,"text":"第二次初步審查會議：完整會議：完整"},{"start":5335.837,"end":5357.666,"text":"必須一直不斷的建效然後建效就要很多的教育支出我們的教育支出目前已經到153億已經佔我們總支出315.07億的48.65%也就是說我們光是教育支出就佔我們總支出的將近五成我們這個需求非常的大我們自己無力承擔那我們希望說"},{"start":5359.31,"end":5383.912,"text":"中央能夠普設高中：或者說至少提供給我們補助因為事實上我們現在高中也是嚴重的不足我們都要靠自己來建校那這個就是造成我們非常大的一負擔所以我們希望在財化法修正的時候能夠納入幾個因素考量一個就是學歷人口一個就是財政努力事實上我們新竹縣的財政是非常努力而狀況非常好的"},{"start":5387.82,"end":5408.235,"text":"統籌分配稅款希望考量到一般性補助款因為新竹縣的統籌分配稅款一直在各縣算是幾乎倒數第一或倒數第二的我們都是靠著一般性補助款去做一個補充所以我們希望說在修財劃法的同時也把一般性補助款能夠納入考量以上是我們的說明 謝謝"},{"start":5410.083,"end":5415.914,"text":"好 謝謝苗栗縣王淑欣副處長接著請南投縣財政處處長李良珠"},{"start":5433.464,"end":5455.981,"text":"主席 各位委員 部長 還有各位先進 還有各位媒體先進 大家好那大家都知道我們南投縣是全國土地範圍第二大的但是即便有這麼大的土地的話 我們有95%是山坡的範圍所以可利用的土地實在是非常的有限"},{"start":5456.721,"end":5468.695,"text":"再加上未來國土計劃法實施以後那我們更是雪上加霜所以長期以來我們的稅收真的是不豐那我們的建設經費都是嚴重的平滑那是我會覺得我們的南投縣民真的很純樸很可愛"},{"start":5475.983,"end":5477.204,"text":"第一次初步審查會議：完整會議：完整"},{"start":5501.095,"end":5528.956,"text":"但是事實上我們南投縣的縣民所收到的回饋真的是非常的有限所以在這裡我要拜託中央能夠重視南投在關內磨身不易的困境希望中央能夠給我們南投縣一個公平合理的待遇那南投縣在這裡以下有提出四個建議"},{"start":5530.117,"end":5532.961,"text":"我們建議擴大統籌分配稅款的來源簡單講就是首得稅從10%提撥率提高到25%"},{"start":5545.487,"end":5561.791,"text":"建議匯除分配比例建議採直轄市縣市政府統一分配公式針對財政收支差短的基本建設需求指標建議土地面積從35%提高至50%在財政努力的權重部分建議增加農民移牧的產值"},{"start":5573.433,"end":5573.994,"text":"以上報告"},{"start":5596.531,"end":5603.378,"text":"財政收支劃分法修正對苗栗縣政府非常重要苗栗縣政府能夠擴大中央統籌分配稅款的規模"},{"start":5617.233,"end":5618.434,"text":"苗栗縣副組長王淑欣"},{"start":5647.267,"end":5651.395,"text":"接著請臺東縣副處長葉振鶴最後還有一點時間彰化請準備"},{"start":5665.266,"end":5693.074,"text":"主席羅昭偉財政部長部長大家都辛苦了那以上次台東的報告我從資料看出來在2010年的時候財政部提出來修法是四處財源982億那時候是五都現在是六都了所以我建議是至少不能低於這個額度之下來做一個財源的一個擴大那第二個呢"},{"start":5693.709,"end":5719.426,"text":"是希望能夠堅固區域的一個平衡因為剛剛講那麼多其實都是在講對自己有利的那財政部在112年的時候是有調查過我把它總歸成兩個一個是財政指標一個是基本建設的需求事實上在做水平的分配參考這兩個指標把大家的一個意見納進去應該是可以達成第三個就是說希望說在"},{"start":5720.346,"end":5720.606,"text":"財政收支劃分法"},{"start":5748.93,"end":5759.076,"text":"謝謝臺東縣葉振鶴副處長在與會大概最後一位發言請彰化縣政府蕭元廷副處長"},{"start":5767.112,"end":5777.837,"text":"財政收支劃分法從民國88年修訂以後：到現在已經有20年沒有修正：隨著我們社會經濟跟環境的變遷：已經不符合地方財政的需求：也不符合條紀地方財政營需：跟均勻區域發展的立法目的"},{"start":5794.864,"end":5807.903,"text":"那,造成目前中央極淺以及平者越貧,富者越富的現象這種狀況對於我們農業縣市更加的明顯加深了各級跟同級政府之間垂直跟水平的不公平"},{"start":5812.503,"end":5825.131,"text":"懇請本次會議儘速通過財政收支劃分法的修正以落實中央與地方之間財政資源分配的合理化並且提升地方財政自主性"},{"start":5826.612,"end":5844.384,"text":"所以本府簡單建議三點第一點 擴大中央投從分配的規模第二點 並同考量一般性補助款不低於修法之前的財源保障才能夠真正落實地方的財政跟自主性"},{"start":5845.345,"end":5863.297,"text":"第三點因為彰化縣極力配合中央的綠能政策綠能的設置對於民眾跟漁民的生活影響甚大對於綠能在彰化縣的回饋卻是很有限所以在此建請能夠修訂綠能專法將這些相關綠能產業的回饋回饋給地方以上"},{"start":5873.996,"end":5893.529,"text":"謝謝彰化肖元廷肖副處長那與會大概每一位都發言了吧那我們是不是熱烈的掌聲也謝謝我們莊部長因為莊部長仔細聆聽之外大家的欠缺他一直點頭"},{"start":5895.1,"end":5921.185,"text":"就是也認同因為都是好夥伴的關係那也希望部長能從其所願有獎大家的困難我們都盡量與你協助那因為時間快到了因為散會時間一屆本次初步審查會議開會到此介紹我們現場郭國文、郭昭緯也在現場"},{"start":5923.22,"end":5949.565,"text":"他是來自臺南的,剛剛也都有講了那本次會議一時入授權由本席核定後確定請問各位委員無異議?沒有異議,我們就通過那早上的這個九點的會議,我們到此就宣布上會接下來還有一場公聽會,歡迎大家有興趣的也可以來聆聽謝謝"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}