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，但是增資不能來抵銷虧損的部分。"],["張委員啓楷：又撥補又漲人民4次的電價，漲了百分之四十幾，這2年還補不過來嗎？"],["賴次長建信：補不過來。"],["張委員啓楷：現在已經回到這個原點了。好，更重要的，現在開源節流，綠電不只不要買那麼貴，趕快賣出去，你的收入就會進來，對不對？我看你的五大改革裡有這一項嘛！要多賣。第二個是核電，今天教文委員會已經在審了，趕快重啟核電。"],["賴次長建信：韓國核能占比比我們高出那麼多，他們的價格成本比我們更高，而且他們撥補的預算曾經比我們現在台電公司500億元更高。"],["張委員啓楷：不只南韓，全世界都……次長，這是common 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