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對不對境外的部分要怎麼處理就是免除他國際漫遊是國際我是不是可以請我們局長來可以可以可以可以可以就請對報告委員那這個如果境外電話我們目前來講都有先先過濾那這個法律就有特別規定20條可以切斷對高風險的過濾高風險的過濾"},{"start":4415.387,"end":4444.264,"text":"高風險的國際漫遊,我可以直接切斷它,不會再繼續發送。然後如果是預防面呢?預防面其實我們有申請的時候,我怎麼...我對這法條看起來已經比你們還要熟悉了。這還有預防面嘛,預防面的話就申請的部分現在開始,因為現在很多的這個電信詐騙,我們今天要處理的就是,很多都是用電話卡嘛,尤其是預付卡的部分嘛。所以未來我們是不是依照這個法條,申請就要有實名制電話卡的部分,"},{"start":4445.805,"end":4470.725,"text":"而且如果是你轉移這個卡片的話也要重新核對跟登錄這是規定在15和16條是不是這樣所以這是第一個電話簡訊部分今天新法下去有加嚴的部分再來第二個部分的話是剛剛所說到的這個一夜市廣告網站上面的部分如果這不是刑事局的部分不是警政署的部分數位部會要回答我也沒有問你一夜市廣告的部分在新法訂立之後有可以討論嗎有可以加強嗎"},{"start":4473.647,"end":4477.577,"text":"我一定要知道可以解決問題這部法才有存在的價值嘛。"},{"start":4483.53,"end":4505.149,"text":"可以還是不可以處理?報告委員關於那個一夜市網告目前我們跟數位詐騙嘛對數位詐騙的部分我們現在遇到的主要有三個問題就是有些這種仿冒名人的廣告舉這個例子來講我們已經知道他已經是預備要犯罪但是他還沒有犯罪對這個就是我之前很難找的一部分他還沒有犯罪嘛"},{"start":4505.669,"end":4526.512,"text":"對那這時候呢我們會政府我們如果發現我們要通知他要下架的時候他通常動作很慢那再來呢因為很多這種那個網路廣告品牌是跨國的公司像是Meta、像Google沒錯那他們在台灣就是說他們常常不受理那甚至還有一些境外的網路廣告公司在台灣根本沒有分公司"},{"start":4526.932,"end":4527.952,"text":"審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具"},{"start":4544.58,"end":4551.529,"text":"這就是我們在第三章的部分數位經濟防詐措施一整章嘛我看到你們現在的規範是從網路平台業者都要加強落地管理實名管理然後去刊登廣告的人"},{"start":4560.08,"end":4574.066,"text":"也要求他們要提供更多的資訊來供平台業者審核。甚至連這個人要刊登的該則廣告、單則廣告都必須要有聯絡的方式可以出現。對不對?是有這些部分嗎?"},{"start":4576.052,"end":4598.807,"text":"是吼?是,在27條到33條之間27條到33條我想是這樣因為真的質詢的時間是有限的那我們等一下會進行逐條我想法律是死板的啦是生硬的但是我們要處理的是日常人民要解決的問題所以我應該等一下逐條的時候也會希望你們就可以像這樣的方式我遇到的詐騙簡訊因為這次的修法能不能夠被解決我遇到的一夜市廣告社群上面的詐騙廣告"},{"start":4604.451,"end":4616.381,"text":"有沒有辦法因為這次的專法而解決是哪幾條我希望等一下在逐條的時候都可以用這樣的方式來討論讓民眾能夠真正理解國家對他們的保障這樣可以吧好 謝謝謝謝感謝蘇喬惠委員、咱家張煌祿委員"},{"start":4629.641,"end":4629.661,"text":"副長"},{"start":4640.399,"end":4660.197,"text":"其實這一次我們要修這個打詐制法我們其實就是要杜絕這個詐騙那我想請問一下其實這一次的打詐我們騙集了大概5個跨部會那我們這個跨部會如何能夠去順暢的去協調去運作"},{"start":4663.481,"end":4689.14,"text":"謝謝委員的垂詢這就是我們現在推出所謂的打詐四法以內政部所主導的話是這個詐欺犯罪危害防制條例但是還有包括洗錢防治法還有柯真法還有通訊保障監察法一定要這四個法同時連動而且把裡面的法條各個的環環相扣全部都扣上去的話才能夠解決我們剛剛各位委員所垂詢的碰到所謂的各種不同樣態的新的詐欺犯罪的防制"},{"start":4691.03,"end":4717.864,"text":"我先請問這個我們這次裡面有寫到說一定規模的網路廣告平台業者在台區設立代理人並配合防詐義務違則最高可罰2500萬如果情節嚴重會被封網一定規模是什麼樣的規模才叫一定規模"},{"start":4719.004,"end":4747.816,"text":"報告委員目前我們關於一定規模基本上我們會首先我們會參考那個歐盟的做法歐盟的做法是人口的10%作為標準那如果一個網路廣告平台他的活躍使用者數目超過10%的話那個歐盟他們那邊就會開始做控管但是因為台灣的人口數比較少經濟規模也比較小所以那個10%我們初步的研判可能是稍微"},{"start":4749.417,"end":4753.199,"text":"稍稍稍稍稍稍稍稍稍稍稍稍稍稍稍稍稍稍稍稍"},{"start":4771.332,"end":4785.316,"text":"審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具:「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案案件、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件、"},{"start":4792.233,"end":4792.313,"text":"審查委員"},{"start":4812.406,"end":4812.866,"text":"審查委員陳亭妃等16人"},{"start":4828.393,"end":4842.441,"text":"審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具:「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案案件、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件、詐欺犯罪案件、詐欺犯罪案件、詐欺犯罪案件、詐欺犯罪案件、詐欺犯罪案件、詐欺犯罪案件、詐欺犯罪案件、詐欺犯罪案件、詐欺犯罪案件、詐欺犯罪案件、詐欺犯罪案件、詐欺犯罪案件、詐欺犯罪案件、詐欺犯罪案件、詐欺犯罪案件、�"},{"start":4843.542,"end":4869.725,"text":"我真的不相信我為什麼要特別問這個你知道嗎現在的詐騙打電話的越來越少了啦幾乎都是網路比較多啦那我們如何從一開頭就把它遏止我相信這是民眾想要的啦等到他被騙了然後再去報案我覺得那太晚了啦應該是把所有有可能的從源頭遏止啊是不是應該這樣啊"},{"start":4871.744,"end":4897.084,"text":"是,報告委員是。是嗎?啊,是的話,如果你說,你看你剛剛說10%這樣子,你們覺得有沒有有點太離譜了一點,民眾可以接受嗎?因為,報告委員,因為現在網路的生態,就是說,那個一家網路廣告平台,它如果說開始做起來的話,其實很快就會超過那個人口的10%,像是Meta,像是Google,像是Line,它其實它的會員數,"},{"start":4898.385,"end":4904.567,"text":"審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具:「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案案件、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件、詐欺犯罪案件、詐欺犯罪案件、詐欺犯罪案件、詐欺犯罪案件、詐欺犯罪案件、詐欺犯罪案件、"},{"start":4913.872,"end":4939.913,"text":"這是我們的了解。是啦!那你這樣子反而我剛講一個重點你如果發現了這根本就是可能是詐騙了你就是應該第一時間把他遏止了啊!對不對!是不是我們的目標是這樣啊!對不對!那結果你還讓他有成長的機會我覺得這一點不要說我覺得我聽不下去我覺得全台灣的民眾也不會支持吧!"},{"start":4940.788,"end":4952.746,"text":"是 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、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草"},{"start":5620.656,"end":5628.282,"text":"二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、九、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、"},{"start":5638.11,"end":5646.217,"text":"經常有出現詐騙案,機關都沒有使用一一一簡訊的系統,所以不僅是宣傳防詐不成,還誤導民眾受騙。請問我們副發部的未來如何改善這個部分,還能防範詐騙集團,冒用這兩個來去詐騙我們民眾?"},{"start":5661.075,"end":5676.738,"text":"是,跟委員報告,關於這個短馬這個部分,速發部我們自從推出以後,現在就是分兩部分進行,一方面就是有集體的採購,然後希望有更多的部門"},{"start":5677.719,"end":5693.888,"text":"審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具:「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件事宜、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案件事宜、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案件事宜、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案件事宜、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案件事宜、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案件事宜、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案件事宜、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案件事宜、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案件事宜、詐欺犯罪"},{"start":5705.755,"end":5734.973,"text":"那剛才那個委員有提到就是說這個一的這種這種短碼的簡訊有沒有可能被偽造那在技術上來講的確是有那一個一種可能被偽造就是說如果詐騙業者他是私自裝設那個假的基地台的話那這個假的基地台他就真的是可以攔截這種簡訊然後把那個簡訊換掉但是這個部分呢現在目前是由通傳會的北區中區還有南區的"},{"start":5735.713,"end":5735.733,"text":"第2、3、4、5、6、7、8、9、10、11、12、13、14、15、16、17、18、19、20、21、22、23、24、25、26、27、28、29、30、31、32、33、34、35、36、37、40、40、41、42、43、44、45、46、46、47、49、49、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、"},{"start":5766.093,"end":5788.304,"text":"要那個詐騙集團要假冒這種一一一或這種簡訊的機會其實不是很大好謝謝我們是有一些安全的措施對我們民眾比較有保障還有說你要這個因為現在問我們才知道很多民眾才聽到但是說希望這個要多宣傳才讓更多人說不會受騙"},{"start":5789.404,"end":5798.792,"text":"審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具:「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案 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是是我們我們知道但是說我們我要問一下我們次長我們罰最高是多少錢?"},{"start":5910.834,"end":5912.535,"text":"懲罰2萬法至20萬法。懲罰2萬法至20萬法。懲罰2萬法至20萬法。"},{"start":5932.728,"end":5932.828,"text":"審查委員陳亭妃"},{"start":5961.69,"end":5974.275,"text":"好謝謝我們的署長給我一分鐘我我因為我這邊我在處理的個案所以就像這樣子剛才你有說那個專線專線你打進去說你被騙了我來處理沒有被騙了你只是雙方"},{"start":5980.957,"end":5980.977,"text":"第2、3、4、5、6、7、8、9、10、11、12、13、14、15、16、17、18、19、20、21、22、23、24、25、26、27、28、29、30、31、32、33、34、35、36、37、40、40、41、42、43、44、45、45、46、46、47、49、49、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、"},{"start":5999.724,"end":6000.924,"text":"審查委員陳亭妃等16人"},{"start":6026.158,"end":6044.979,"text":"感謝安排政委員、我們家黃建平委員。謝謝主席。我們請部長。加部長。加署長。加署長。"},{"start":6050.555,"end":6064.732,"text":"黃委員好部長好 部長我們今天審查這個打詐專法這是一個非常非常重要的一個立法那公寓三期四必先立期四一部好的法律需要人來執行當然這是一定的對不對"},{"start":6066.374,"end":6070.596,"text":"懲罰人力的問題,為了確保關鍵基礎的設施安全,未來我們保安、保二總隊要擴編,要保護我們的基礎設施安全,這是什麼是基礎設施?"},{"start":6092.159,"end":6092.219,"text":"審查委員長"},{"start":6114.369,"end":6122.355,"text":"未來我們看研議看看我們現在現在的這關鍵是都是屬於公家單位的一個關鍵是測試我們這次的擴編不是為了打仗也不是為了治安是要去保護這些基礎設施"},{"start":6129.921,"end":6157.987,"text":"這些基礎設施他未來當這些擴兵的警察他可能要分批去接受軍事訓練嘛,因為你還要配備重機槍嘛,還有手榴彈、四針飛彈這些東西嘛,這些東西跟我們以前,以往我們認知在警專、警大受的傷完全不一樣喔,那今天是第2陸軍的規格啊。跟委員報告,這個也是一個安全維護的一個方式而已啦,就是跟軍事訓練是不一樣的啦,這個也是一個安全維護的一個措施。"},{"start":6160.468,"end":6172.011,"text":"以往我們警察署授勳完全不同。應該是雷同,跟我們警察的授勳應該差不多了。本市會持續關注保安的議題,回到打詐專法,當然有些人會說我們的警力工作量已經這麼多了,未來在打詐專法配合下去之後,他的警力會不會吃緊?特別是我們提到56條檢舉,"},{"start":6187.555,"end":6191.36,"text":"檢舉獎勵制度,這部份未來會否是責任?也會責任我們基層、我們這間院會負擔?因為我們未來是不是有多專屬的人力去做這一塊?這個是不是也要來?"},{"start":6204.582,"end":6209.504,"text":"檢舉檢舉我覺得是一個很老的一個字,也就是說在要不要發生這個詐欺的進展,有人會提出檢舉檢舉檢舉"},{"start":6219.088,"end":6219.208,"text":"審查委員長"},{"start":6233.985,"end":6249.26,"text":"審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具:「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件事宜、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯�"},{"start":6258.765,"end":6273.556,"text":"最受公允組織詬弊的緊急事件RPZ1.5 號稱可以在半天之內將可疑網站封鎖,可以繞過司法公正檢核程序的高速公路,這兩年也被廣泛使用。"},{"start":6274.537,"end":6293.248,"text":"審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具:「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件事宜、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案件事宜、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案件事宜、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案件事宜、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案件事宜、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案件事宜、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案件事宜、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案件事宜、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案件事宜、詐欺犯罪"},{"start":6306.76,"end":6328.296,"text":"這個主要是在我們法案的這個草案的第42條那我們在這邊關於那個網路那個限制接取還有那個停止解析的這個部分那我們目前是要有三個條件第一個條件就是說他必須涉及詐欺犯罪就是一般人民一般的言論自由這個是我們是不會去干涉的就是"},{"start":6331.337,"end":6346.944,"text":"二條件是必須有一個緊急性,看起來不馬上處理會造成更大的災害。第三條件是必須經過目的事業主管機關以及司法警察機關的認定,認為有緊急處置是必要時,我們才會進行這樣的工作。"},{"start":6352.932,"end":6378.01,"text":"是,謝謝,謝謝你的說明,我問這個就是說,其實我會擔憂的是說,未來會不會,因為這個42條的關係,有大量的民眾去檢舉某一個政治人物的平台,像trader,那他會不會因為這樣的關係而下架?這個事情會提到的是因為,接下來未來選舉的時候,這個很容易被拿來做操作,這個是要預防的事情嘛對不對?"},{"start":6378.76,"end":6400.583,"text":"是,包委員,因為如果說有人是檢舉那個政治人物的話,因為這個不涉及詐欺的話,這個第一條件他就不會有了。他本以希望是內政部相關機關能夠多多聽聽民團的建議。那我想打詐是我們共同的目標,我們希望讓打詐專法能夠順利立法之外,我們人權的保障也不要被忽視啦。"},{"start":6401.764,"end":6402.184,"text":"審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具"},{"start":6432.538,"end":6437.701,"text":"黃建斌委員執行王美惠委員執行部長和署長"},{"start":6452.828,"end":6463.712,"text":"黃文哲主秘黃文哲主秘黃文哲主秘黃文哲主秘黃文哲主秘黃文哲主秘黃文哲主秘黃文哲主秘"},{"start":6482.981,"end":6486.983,"text":"在這裏面跟這手機的黃連勳,我覺得他很偉大,還對台灣很好。這阿強對台灣的白色,對台灣的Q的時候,他這樣帶這麼多人來台灣,還要接受。我覺得相信大家都對他,都比大伙好。但是在這手機裏面,我很想要加臨。"},{"start":6512.315,"end":6517.837,"text":"他們還要擬具的信喔?不知道到底哪一個人會擬,我都不知道啦。連鎖五六的黃連勳啦,還有黃連勳、雄平他的,他也是擬具人。只有擬具人、我擬具人,我也覺得很高興的。畢竟他是台灣人。在這裡面,我要說的就是說,今天我們在說打架打架,"},{"start":6540.922,"end":6544.565,"text":"是負責發生事情,不然發生的時候,我們是要如何從頭做好,讓他賣給我們騙嘛,再來騙到後,我們要如何負責協助啦,這是重要的啦。"},{"start":6560.811,"end":6571.078,"text":"因為有時候被審、再次拒絕、再次拒絕不便宜、再次便宜的時候,他會想到說:「搞不好不知道要怎樣,我可以找法術所、找建設局。」但是有的都說:「你再打一支電話165165。」現在我要請教你們各黨委員,被審若便宜的時候,"},{"start":6589.039,"end":6590.54,"text":"我們今天想這個法案是如何會讓貿易省人員有什麼調校好來的錢,退回來嗎?還是一半之後,我們所有所作的,可以來提供說我現在辦到怎樣嗎?這是最重要的。來,"},{"start":6611.867,"end":6612.628,"text":"陳亭妃等16人擬具"},{"start":6632.442,"end":6638.246,"text":"四、五位一個人說他又是黃天勳自己的,我也很想要抓下去,但是我看四、五位應該是假的吧。是,就是還沒有犯罪,這個偉貌、身份這些事情是由我們庶發部來處理。"},{"start":6647.993,"end":6648.513,"text":"審查委員陳亭妃等16人"},{"start":6665.639,"end":6668.584,"text":"審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具:「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件事宜、罪犯罪行為、罪犯罪行為、罪犯罪行為、罪犯罪行為、罪犯罪行為、"},{"start":6681.181,"end":6698.468,"text":"知道,所以我們需要這個法案,因為我們現在要求META跟LINE它下架,對嘛,現在大家就是要有這個法,要有法度,趕快去坐車說12點前後就可以下架,我們是希望它在一個小時或者30分鐘之內就馬上給我們下架,對啦,這這樣順海會減輕啦,是。"},{"start":6702.93,"end":6715.572,"text":"再來,在你剛才介紹的那樣,本身因為當局有很多白色,說實在,這黨真的說實在,非常重要的。一般的白色大大小人,都不要去當局,他也不要當局,他的出名單位也會去當局。所以來,署長,你認為白色跟165之後,快先給我先啊,要怎麼處理,可以白色怎麼協助?"},{"start":6731.381,"end":6747.644,"text":"我認為這個法規,就是現在剛才說的關頭那些會接濟廣告來被騙的這種這個機率嘛。但是如果沒有賭得很好的,有一些人就是"},{"start":6748.425,"end":6748.465,"text":"審查委員長"},{"start":6778.745,"end":6783.83,"text":"二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、"},{"start":6794.879,"end":6803.625,"text":"二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、"},{"start":6820.64,"end":6836.231,"text":"二、三、四、五、六、七、八、七、八、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、"},{"start":6839.694,"end":6846.439,"text":"主秘來,主秘,在這裏我們要跟你說的是,我們的電信業者都有要買信卡嘛,這等久以來,都是外流的、輕版版的買賣,跟賣給台灣人的詐騙集團,說實在,我看那個通信業者有夠不良心的。"},{"start":6867.869,"end":6869.45,"text":"這要怎麼處理?我覺得你們上次也知道,他們都叫這些外國人去買賣,來給全國人的私用,像NP主也這樣,騙說我主怎麼不理會大姐的電話時機。"},{"start":6883.8,"end":6884.701,"text":"審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具、「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案案案件 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這個其實我這邊也是看到說現在第一名的大概就是投資詐騙這其實我們立院有同事的家人就是涉及這種詐騙的類型投資詐騙再來第二種就是分期付款第三種就是網路的買賣"},{"start":7448.296,"end":7471.025,"text":"對那這三種確實是現在我們最關心的因為很多人像剛剛巧慧委員也提到他看到那個一頁式廣告也會差點要點進去那我就這一次我們修法的內容針對這一些犯罪的類型還有大家受騙的類型有沒有一些你們接下來即將可以處理的可不可以用非常白話的方式讓大家知道說我們接下來是有辦法透過這個反詐的專法來處理這些大家會遇到的包括投資詐騙"},{"start":7477.788,"end":7483.375,"text":"二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、九、十一、二、三、四、五、六、十一、二、三、四、五、十一、二、十一、二、十一、二、十一、二、十一、二、十一、二、十一、二、十一、二、十一、二、十一、二、十一、二、十一、二、十一、二、十一、二、十一、二、十一、二、十一、二、十一、二、十一、二、十一、二、十一、二、十一、二、十一、二、十一、二、十一、二、十一、二、十一、二、十一、二、十一、二、十一、二、十一、二、十一、二、十一、二、十一、二、十一、二、十一、"},{"start":7485.567,"end":7505.743,"text":"好 這個簡單來講就有三大任務第一個就是從源頭那邊也就是這些訊息截止而且是有可以去追來源他要去投放這個廣告要有這些身份的證明甚至有在國外的話在國內就是要有法律代人也都可以追得到誰去投放這個廣告啦讓這個廣告的訊息沒辦法讓民眾去接觸到"},{"start":7510.796,"end":7510.836,"text":"審查委員長"},{"start":7526.716,"end":7541.424,"text":"接觸到的這些這個訊息我們希望就是民眾不會讓他去相信那我們會加強來做做宣討也就是說現在高高號發的這些詐騙的這些的手法我們會做精準的去做"},{"start":7542.244,"end":7546.967,"text":"審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具:「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案案件、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件、"},{"start":7567.159,"end":7593.677,"text":"懲罰懲罰懲罰懲罰懲罰懲罰懲罰"},{"start":7594.377,"end":7621.611,"text":"好 謝謝署長那我再來謝謝我們部長跟署長先請回再來我請教一下NCC因為我覺得接下來的重點確實像剛剛署長有講到源頭的阻斷以及接下來的這些底下的車手或是這些人頭賬戶到底要怎麼去阻斷他請教一下NCC我們現在的這個內容是不是因為過去把它分為第一類電信第二類電信然後現在是針對過去的這些第二類電信沒有辦法處理的也要求他要實名制不是"},{"start":7623.692,"end":7641.528,"text":"我們在號碼關聯辦法裡面已經處理到一大部分的問題了目前這個法律裡面只在處理一個就是因為有些電信服務它不需要號碼所以我要補這一塊那另外一塊是我們在講的黑美卡這一塊因為黑美卡是境外電信服務那另外一塊是我們在講的移工卡這一塊"},{"start":7642.088,"end":7662.766,"text":"那因為啊移工卡這一塊的話因為將來我們寫的號碼管理辦法裡面那同時它也確實是有所謂的沒有使用電話號碼的這一塊所以我這邊也在處理移工卡那等於是說我除了電信管理法為主那這一部分那這一部分呢打打大條例裡面電信章只要是要補充我電信管理法管理辦法裡面所沒有的"},{"start":7663.254,"end":7663.994,"text":"審查委員陳亭妃等16人"},{"start":7684.124,"end":7689.912,"text":"審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具:「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案案件、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件、"},{"start":7695.589,"end":7717.161,"text":"好 那這個也是我希望等一下進入主條的時候我們可以討論的部分針對三大電信業者他們其實在中間扮演非常重要的協助通訊的角色但是他們並沒有予以他們一定的義務跟責任所以我也希望說他們也要 也要請他們加強好 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裡面,我們有跟通報、有通報接觸、然後下架大概有30幾次啦。30幾次。但是案件我現在要跟委員報道說,任何,我們希望就是我們全國的陪審都不能去不放棄。最好就是這樣。達到最後都不能放棄。但是萬一你去務信、放棄、你去報案。"},{"start":8089.888,"end":8105.278,"text":"臺灣、我們全國所有的警察機關、任何的派出所都可以受理報案,單一窗口,沒有人要受理報案。受理報案以後,我們會有主責,就是說被害人住的這個地方,我們就會"},{"start":8106.118,"end":8107.099,"text":"審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具"},{"start":8121.773,"end":8138.5,"text":"二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、"},{"start":8148.244,"end":8163.243,"text":"二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、"},{"start":8164.284,"end":8164.784,"text":"審查委員陳亭妃等16人"},{"start":8179.953,"end":8188.035,"text":"所以我才說要成立一個跨部會大家來統籌任何的詐騙都是在跨部會因為這一段我們跟勞動部移民署我們會做資料庫連結那目前我們也正在討論那那個應該近期內我們就會跟這兩個單位啊將他們的資料啊能夠統一在移民署那邊然後由我們定期要求我們的業者要定期要去查詢那只要你有查到這些人不在境內的話"},{"start":8206.078,"end":8206.658,"text":"審查委員陳亭妃等16人"},{"start":8236.337,"end":8236.497,"text":"吳釗偉執行吳釗偉執行"},{"start":8260.912,"end":8283.977,"text":"謝謝昭偉我很高興今天在我們委員會裡面看到這麼多中央部會的人都來這裡我們來看一下今天我們是要針對詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案來做說明所以很顯然他是跨部會的然後除了跨部會之外呢今天我們的行政院打擊詐欺辦公室的主任也來我們先請李主任好嗎謝謝好請主任"},{"start":8289.062,"end":8310.955,"text":"主任從剛剛開始一直都沒有聽到你說話您認為今天我們要審這個法案我唸一遍您看是正不正確就是為了防制和打擊詐騙危害我國也就是中華民國從111年6月起就實施了新世代的打擊詐欺策略行動綱領對不對從市詐"},{"start":8314.212,"end":8336.042,"text":"堵詐、阻詐、懲詐、四大面向左手,然後呢,要奠定各項政策基礎方針,然後由行政院組成跨部會打詐國家隊,所以很早我們就清楚知道是要跨部會的,而且國家也成立所謂的國家打詐隊,然後要來攜手協力共同應處詐欺犯罪的問題。"},{"start":8337.162,"end":8363.994,"text":"然後在面對詐欺犯罪形態和技術不斷的演進所以你們也非常清楚知道有非常多的新形態的犯罪案不斷的發生所以你們為了要因應高度反覆發生的詐欺犯罪的案例你們在112年的6月你們也實施了打詐綱領1.5版要減少這些傷害的宗旨請問一下做了些什麼?"},{"start":8365.467,"end":8380.229,"text":"跟委員報告我們在111年執行這個1.0版的打炸綱領但是執行一年之後覺得說還有有提升這個怎麼提升怎麼提升成立了這個"},{"start":8381.786,"end":8392.173,"text":"審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具:「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、"},{"start":8404.212,"end":8426.333,"text":"一百一十一年詐騙案案件兩萬九千五百零九一百一十二年詐騙案件三萬七千八百二十三我們看到有一點五百有編前詐騙案案件指針不降所以認為今天我們修了這個法例的這個條例就可以來打詐了嗎"},{"start":8427.927,"end":8429.749,"text":"然後再來看一下4年的詐騙案的破獲率109年2.3萬件110年2.4萬件111年2.9萬件112年3.7萬件4年增加了1.4萬件成長了1.6萬件"},{"start":8445.547,"end":8447.39,"text":"破獲率是這麼低啊為什麼我們有1.5的所謂的行政院跨部會的小組為什麼我們也編列了預算我們的詐騙案件數是越來越高破獲率越來越低呢誰能夠告訴我"},{"start":8463.144,"end":8476.409,"text":"除了什麼問題?除了什麼問題請簡單我只有剩下幾分鐘我的問題就是那個源頭的管理好署長您不用說沒關係我們先請行政院的主任"},{"start":8477.009,"end":8486.611,"text":"你今天來扮演很重要的角色啊,你要把今天來的這個各部會全部變成一個跨部會的小組啊,也結束它的成績應該是在行政院長的成績嘛,不是嗎?今天來我們個別內政部、警政署來說話,然後行政院這個訴發部來說話、法務部來說話、國家通訊闖蕩委員會來講,"},{"start":8498.414,"end":8509.498,"text":"審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具:「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案案件、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件、詐欺犯"},{"start":8524.059,"end":8524.199,"text":"審查委員"},{"start":8545.146,"end":8549.911,"text":"你自己上面也假拉底你就是因為知道日新夜異犯罪形態技術不斷演進所以你們才會在112年6月實施的打炸綱領1.5百嘛錢也給你了然後所謂的制度你們也建立了為什麼還是這樣"},{"start":8564.545,"end":8564.665,"text":"審查委員長"},{"start":8582.498,"end":8602.286,"text":"我們看一下你們的防制詐騙的宣導資訊我們從最簡單的來講請就警政署的部分你們有全民防騙網165165的LINE官方帳號165的宣導臉書警政署有APP刑事警察局有官方網站你們有沒有看見發現一個事情你們全部是透過網路宣傳對不對"},{"start":8604.867,"end":8611.17,"text":"原鄉跟偏鄉網路資訊本來就是獲取不易,我們有非常多的長輩連這些都看不到,所以他怎麼清楚知道他是被騙呢?所以請問一下你們針對這個部分你要怎麼樣再做精進?我想委員我們也會做實體的宣導,入鄉入裡去做宣導,實體就是我們有宣導團,"},{"start":8632.282,"end":8641.127,"text":"審討團到你們園鄉的部落裡面有集會的場合去做﹑ 很好,所以你們知道問題對不對?所以要有人力來宣傳嘛對不對?"},{"start":8641.127,"end":8652.674,"text":"好,署長請部長了,謝謝。既然清楚知道在園鄉跟偏鄉我們需要人力,所以足夠的警力宣傳有它的必要性對不對?"},{"start":8653.434,"end":8675.805,"text":"我們來看一下數據從今年4月警政署的詐欺統計來看我們除了離島之外花東兩縣的詐欺破獲率是全國倒數前兩名花東是原住民族地區的最多而且呢都是老人留下最多所以很顯然你知道問題需要提高人力我告訴你該怎麼做我們來看一下檢察署"},{"start":8676.385,"end":8681.888,"text":"他109年他的案件從5239成長到16萬,三年之間幅度高達了320%,因為檢察署他的人力不足,所以他在112年的時候他提出了禁用檢察官助理要有100人的政策,他要強化他的偵查輔助人力,所以問題來了。"},{"start":8699.339,"end":8726.44,"text":"檢察署都可以增加人力清楚知道要有人力請問一下我們警政署你剛剛說了在偏鄉跟原鄉的地方你們會編族人力除了這個網路之外所以人力夠嗎對 我想這個委員講的很有道理很好啊 謝謝你人力我們今年就是在10月份大概有1300多人會畢業那明年大概2700多位所以署長在這邊跟部長講一下人力不夠對不對我們就是說"},{"start":8729.462,"end":8748.835,"text":"我不是說不過我就是說會針對這些區域的這一些發生的這個狀況來做這個編派人力的一個派補好現在既然署長這麼多部長我在這邊您真的是蠻辛苦的一上來就要面對這麼多的問題尤其是詐騙這個是這件事情你看這個照片"},{"start":8749.696,"end":8772.114,"text":"我到原鄉地區都幫我們基層的警政署來拍照片,就是因為人力不夠,對不對,因為人力不夠,所以署長你這邊要非常清楚跟部長講,因為我們的基層人力真的不夠,它除了一般警政的業務之外,現在新興犯罪也非常多,尤其是原鄉跟偏鄉的警力,所以偏鄉跟"},{"start":8773.234,"end":8799.092,"text":"懸殼警力一定要增加。這個警力不僅僅是破壞所謂的防制交通等等的,它還有這個新興的犯罪,是需要人力去宣導的。所以可不可以在兩週之內提出一些書面報告,讓本席清楚知道你們在懸殼跟偏鄉,一、怎麼這樣增加人力,第二、怎麼解決這些問題,好不好?沒問題。可以嗎?請問部長。可以。請問部長可以嗎?可以。"},{"start":8801.808,"end":8811.154,"text":"審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具:「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案案件、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件、"},{"start":8830.866,"end":8847.395,"text":"下一位我們請張志仁委員執行。張志仁委員我們聽協中委員執行完,我們就休息五分鐘。謝謝。好,謝謝主席。各位委員、各位官員,大家早。所以有請部長。"},{"start":8854.686,"end":8872.238,"text":"蔣委員好部長好部長今天我們在討論的就是有關於詐欺犯罪的這個遇害防治法我覺得這非常重要那所以我覺得現在全台灣國人都認為這個詐騙的案件層數不窮不只是金額增加而且是說這些詐騙的人"},{"start":8873.72,"end":8884.263,"text":"審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具:「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件事宜、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、"},{"start":8899.207,"end":8914.911,"text":"在值得這個行政院長賴清德的主政之下,行政院通過這個換發數位身份證,就是NEID,可是在時隔3個月以後,在110年由蘇貞昌院長宣布暫緩發放。請問部長你知道說這個數位身份證當時這個停止暫緩啟動的原因嗎?"},{"start":8920.813,"end":8942.965,"text":"報告張委員當時停止的時候其實我也是立法委員大概那個時候的四個黨都同意最主要的原因就是我們數位身份證在資安或是個資還有法律上面的法令不足的關係如果貿然就推動的話恐怕會造成譬如說身份證裡面的個資外洩或是資安的問題會造成更大的詐騙的來源"},{"start":8945.606,"end":8963.781,"text":"非常感謝部長,因為部長當時也是非常的專業,所以我相信部長在這一部分應該是非常的用心。那本席要跟部長報告就是說,其實數位身份當時的概念就是因為要維護治安,然後要人民的這個數位的這個身份資料可以再進一步。"},{"start":8964.661,"end":8985.697,"text":"蘇貴身份證當時的用意很單純只是要把身份證我們現在一般人用的身份證加上自然門憑證把它併在一起其實它是用意良善的那我想要請教部長的是說當時在這個蘇貴身份證剛開始啟用的時候它有先有三個地方先做市營運是新北澎湖以及是新竹市可是後來這三個地區都反對"},{"start":8986.417,"end":8990.6,"text":"所以部長我認為這邊喔是在中央在做這個輸入身份證的發這個試營運的時候溝通的不足你認為這個部分誰應該承擔責任"},{"start":8996.93,"end":9021.418,"text":"我想跟委員報告一下我剛有提到了在立法院是每個黨每個黨團都同意要暫緩那三個縣市政府當時要同意事辦那後來沒有事辦我想主要的原因在於說我想張委員非常知道我們身份證是採取你在什麼地方都可以移入移出遷入遷出所以他沒有辦法受限在某一個縣市政府"},{"start":9021.858,"end":9026.141,"text":"新竹市用紙本身份證,新竹市用數位身份證,這樣會產生在民政系統上或是互證系統或是相關的其他身份證用的時候很大的困擾,所以用這樣示範的方式其實不是一個太好的示範的措施,所以後來也就停止不再示範。"},{"start":9045.034,"end":9070.769,"text":"所以我先請教部長,所以部長你是支持這個數位身份證繼續重啟,繼續來做嗎?我想不能完全這樣講,目前為止我認為它的法源跟法令的基礎還是不夠,譬如說個資,還有包括數位發展部,因為它是一個新興的部會,它相關的這個譬如說T-Roll也好,或者是在機構跟機構之間,是不是也必須要,包括公務機關,是不是也必須要有一個授權才可以。"},{"start":9071.73,"end":9071.75,"text":"負責責責責責責責責責責責責責責責責責責責責責責責責責責責責責責責責責責責責責責責責責責責責責責責責責責責責責責責責責責責責責責責責責責責責責責責責責責責責責責責責責責責責責責責責責責責責責責責責責責責責責責責責責責責責責責責"},{"start":9092.566,"end":9118.332,"text":"那當然還有資安的問題那整個預算其實總經費是48億而且現在依照我們徐宇貞委員跟審計部的這個資料已經花了14億這都是人民的納稅錢而且每年還要再花6,375萬做維護的部分所以我這不能接受就是行政院當時有一個這個院會3736院會他當時最主要說要停止輸的身份證原因是兩個"},{"start":9119.272,"end":9134.142,"text":"第一個就是說資安的問題可是他特別提到的是因為大陸會攻擊我們的這個EID系統所以就變成資安的問題會有疑慮所以請部長問到底這個院會做出任何大陸會造成我們資安問題的原因是為何第二個"},{"start":9134.662,"end":9158.679,"text":"是有關於相當相關的法律的配套是否已經有已經有開始做修法的這個動作如果都沒有還沒有有些有修有些還沒修就針對一些我們比較重視的比如說個人資料保護法還有戶籍法及這個資通安全管理法這些部分到底我們行政院有沒有要來修不然的話這些東西有這個數位身份證一定會石沉大海請部長是不是"},{"start":9159.019,"end":9178.505,"text":"我覺得需要從長計議因為委員所提到的三個法律分別擅在不同的部會那目前可能三個不同的部會都還沒有共識如果我們內部的部會沒有共識的話貿然就啟動我想後面的資安問題還是相當的大也就是說我們必須要在審慎的評估之後才能做決定"},{"start":9179.175,"end":9198.446,"text":"好,最後是時間的關係,我想要播一段影片給部長看,因為我們現在在數位身份證調查小組裡面,我們希望說第一個要重視我們內政委員會所有的委員,大家一個這個調閱的權利啦,可是我發現這個我們在調閱的時候,我覺得我們本委會的委員非常的可憐,"},{"start":9200.339,"end":9212.211,"text":"來我們看一下齁我發現就是說很多的資料不透明不明確從第一頁啊到最後一頁全部都反黑請部長看一下"},{"start":9215.765,"end":9241.917,"text":"我想說我們都希望大家的數位身份證可以更讓民眾知道說推行數位身份證從政府102年開始是一個利益良善只要資安能夠維護那大家能夠去了解可以大家一起來幫政府來去做一個說明的動作想不到我們第二頁小組現在張偉也非常的重視第二頁小組裡面給的資料居然從第一頁到最後一頁完全都是反黑的"},{"start":9242.617,"end":9263.741,"text":"那我私下有跟我們辛苦的這個內政部副政事的同仁聊到他說他們在這個反黑這些資料的時候他們都覺得非常的無言啊這個比我相信蔣安安市長當時在調這個疫苗的時候只有隱藏部分的資料現在是從第一頁到最後一頁全部都反黑結果我再開另外一個檔案"},{"start":9265.472,"end":9285.973,"text":"有另外答案有嗎?結果後來我們這個內部的同仁跟我講因為就是因為學武反黑就是不要讓我們好像就是有刻意不要讓我們立法院來去看所以之後我們所有行政官員太累了後來有一本我這邊手上有資料全部做指令目錄所以請問部長你能接受這樣的第二個小組嗎?"},{"start":9287.334,"end":9301.608,"text":"第二小組你們這個內政部提供的第二小組的資料全部第一頁到最後一頁反黑不僅浪費值啊而且一點意義都沒有報告委員那內政部所提供的資料大概就是根據政府資訊公開法跟個資法我們都依照規定來辦理"},{"start":9303.53,"end":9327.971,"text":"所以部長其實我有跟你們內部討論了啦所以我希望是說這個第二小組而且我想這個我們召委主席大家都非常重視啦所以我相信這是史無前例從第一次從第一頁到最後一頁一千多頁全部都反黑啦所以我相信是不是你們在內部溝通的部分有出現了什麼樣的狀況所以所以在最後還是拜託就是數位身份證"},{"start":9328.792,"end":9345.52,"text":"第1個就是說大陸未來還有沒有大陸這個治安的疑慮第一個你們要來去做一個來做一個解釋的一個動作不然說身份證是完全無法重啟第二個就是說我們相關的法令配套從當時一百"},{"start":9346.741,"end":9372.844,"text":"一百零九年的時候,行政院長當了行政院長,現在總統賴清德通過了以後,現在已經是一百一十三年了。這幾年,我們內政部、行政院有沒有想要修相關的法律?如果沒有的話,輸入身份證要如何重啟?第三個,請部長協助,要重視我們這個內政委員會、調查委員會來做職權行使的一個權利。不能說從第一頁到最後一頁,全部都反黑。"},{"start":9374.785,"end":9389.062,"text":"這個看到這個那位子啊,因為他們這個內部人員在施行的時候也覺得很無言,到最後直接是只有一目錄,所以我覺得這個是非常大家從功沒有意義的,而且這真的讓大家我覺得國人沒辦法接受,所以請部長協助可以嗎?"},{"start":9389.622,"end":9405.738,"text":"是,剛剛委員特別提到就是說要不要重啟這個新式身份證的部分的話國安餘力確實是我們現在所碰到最大的困擾那它必須要修的法真的是像剛剛委員所提到的不只三個法還有其他的相關的這個措施因為國安餘力真的是非常的大"},{"start":9406.779,"end":9426.352,"text":"還是一樣我剛有特別提到說我們這個內政委員會的這個調閱小組所要提供的資料的話站在內政部的立場就是按照我們政府資訊公開法跟個人資訊公開法的規定來管理。所以部長其實我沒有要你回答這一塊所以你認同這個他從第一天到最後一天一千多月都是反黑嗎?沒有你當委員的時候你看到這樣的資料你能同意嗎?"},{"start":9427.369,"end":9456.096,"text":"所以部長我沒有讓你回答可是因為這點我是希望你可以好好去改善啦因為這樣子我相信對我們內政委員會的委員都沒有辦法去接受啦而且你之前也是當過立法委員我需要說大家應該互相尊重好不好那部長這部分再拜託你我們需要說讓這個內政委員會的委員都一個可以更公開透明大家去了解而且一起來推動這個政府最重視的資安的問題也跟今天的主題這個打詐防詐騙是非常重要的好嗎部長"},{"start":9456.556,"end":9473.728,"text":"二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、"},{"start":9486.926,"end":9507.204,"text":"防制條例草案,這是我們現屆優先的法案,修宣打詐、防詐是大家的一個共識,均是非常支持更好力的詐騙集團。現在打詐效率目前是有很大的民怨,執行效率比較不彰,需要更好的方針。"},{"start":9511.448,"end":9516.871,"text":"審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具:「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案 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、草案"},{"start":9538.42,"end":9541.002,"text":"審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具、「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案案案案案案案"},{"start":9556.832,"end":9568.839,"text":"審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具:「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件事宜、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件事宜、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件事宜、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件事宜、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件事宜、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件事宜、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件事宜、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件事宜、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件事宜、"},{"start":9581.506,"end":9604.005,"text":"打詐推出很多國家隊的這個法案是因為我們的這個授權不足也就是說在我們各個部會在做行政上面的這個協調的時候已經窮盡所力但是發現到說如果我們立法裡面的授權不足包括說我們未來在不管從救援裡面從金管會、通傳會還有數位部很多防止的預防面"},{"start":9604.565,"end":9608.651,"text":"二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、九、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、"},{"start":9621.909,"end":9625.953,"text":"這次前政務委員羅秉成是非常好的法律專家,他在我們歐里空陣前已經完成新《詐欺事法》。在《詐欺事法》內,在我們內政委員會是以《詐欺危害防制條例》為主。在《司法法制委員會》就是《洗錢防治法》、"},{"start":9644.091,"end":9644.431,"text":"你講三分之一啊。"},{"start":9666.884,"end":9673.267,"text":"二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、"},{"start":9686.86,"end":9695.214,"text":"要有法律代表人,第二,法律代表人哪像是法律新創的一個名詞,當然現行法律中剛有這個名詞。"},{"start":9697.312,"end":9718.462,"text":"應該不是新創名詞,我請主管機關幫你解釋一下。謝謝委員,這是香港歐盟他們有legal representative,因為你要用法律代理人或有的法務,但是這個叫做法律代表。法律代表因為國際的做法要一致,所以我們參考歐盟的做法,"},{"start":9719.382,"end":9724.083,"text":"審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具《詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案》案。 »: 現在很多網絡平台、業者、市場規模最大的都是外國公司,資料有可能都在國外資料庫內,這個草案有否發動要求外國國際公司的企業來給我們配合?"},{"start":9743.621,"end":9762.276,"text":"報告委員,這個一方面我們是主動跟這些跨國網路平台業者做溝通然後勸說,那另一方面就是我們希望這個法律的通過當這些跨國網路廣告平台如果他們不願意合作的話我們有一些法源去要求他甚至於是對他們處罰"},{"start":9764.177,"end":9778.812,"text":"有法人對外國公司可以處罰他們?對,基本上這個就是為什麼我們希望他在台灣設立法律代表的原因。那如果他不願意設立法律代表的話,那我們就是最後的手段就是可以幫他降訴。"},{"start":9779.532,"end":9794.288,"text":"二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、"},{"start":9802.156,"end":9823.141,"text":"二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、"},{"start":9824.381,"end":9838.429,"text":"沒有這個濫權,但要如何確定會讓有心的人濫用這些權利,拿去做法判的用途,一些個資的問題。總管若發生像我們進行我們民進黨政策會執行長,於是濫用電信公司的個人資訊問題,這就過分我們要如何處理。"},{"start":9854.933,"end":9856.479,"text":"黃 黃竹敏 竹敏啊 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條例案件 條例案件 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那司法院要不要做個說明呢?我的問題在於說齁,因為現在大家都認為說齁,抓到都輕判。"},{"start":11749.858,"end":11764.768,"text":"那是不是能夠有一個量刑的一個準則啦?包委員我們之前有一個那個《妥適量刑法》的草案齁那在上個會期因為沒有審查所以就特為那個司法院這邊繼續研議齁"},{"start":11766.289,"end":11788.807,"text":"那我在想說因為量刑這個部分涉及到比較多的層面啦他不適合只是用一個條文就來顯示他比較適合用一個通盤性的研議的方式那而且他整個研議的機關也必須要獨立化所以是不是有一個條文就能夠把它定一個量刑準則我覺得這邊恐怕會有一些疑慮啦好那所以你們這個還沒有在這個會期也沒有再送過來我們這個會期有繼續要再研議"},{"start":11790.208,"end":11818.009,"text":"好啊,那我的問題在於說,其實部長我們都來自民意代表,就是說有時候這個都侵犯,那侵犯如何顯現在這個條文裡面,不要讓民眾有認為說每次抓到那個都是侵犯,這個精神能夠在討論的時候能夠放進去這樣子。是,李委員用心良苦,我們來努力。我們都知道說大家都有很大的民怨,要怎麼樣解決民怨也是我們應該做的。好,謝謝,謝謝部長,謝謝主席。"},{"start":11821.291,"end":11849.714,"text":"好,謝謝我們李昆城委員的執行,謝謝。下一位請王洪威委員執行。好,謝謝主席。我請內政部劉部長。好,劉部長。訴發部林次長。好,林次長。法務部徐次長。"},{"start":11850.407,"end":11851.808,"text":"李卓人議員這次打詐司法我相信一定會得到跨黨派的支持因為我想打詐事實上是現在台灣人民就是最期盼的事情但是即使沒有這打詐司法我們還是有打詐辦公室而且我們打詐國家隊成立了這麼久"},{"start":11880.101,"end":11898.59,"text":"剛才李昆城委員也特別提到像這次黃仁勳他到了台灣當然有得到媒體的高度重視那麼立刻我們就可以看到在社群平台裡面就出現了黃仁勳的詐騙的網頁事實上包含我們的經濟部長郭部長來自於企業界"},{"start":11907.253,"end":11925.086,"text":"多麼離譜他還沒有上任然後就立刻出現我們經濟部部長的一個詐騙的網頁所以還有比如說像蘇之鋒他現在也在台灣也是一樣"},{"start":11926.363,"end":11950.272,"text":"我們真的就覺得不經納悶我們這個打架辦公室即便沒有這個詐騙司法難道面對這些層出不窮的這些詐騙的網站難道就完全束手無策嗎比如右下角是我昨天看PTT的時候突然看到一個老蟹公益社團這就是蟹金河"},{"start":11951.892,"end":11975.998,"text":"審訊科社長其實也非常支持民進黨但是可能對他這幾年最大的抱怨就是為什麼假他知名的這些詐騙網頁就是如春風吹又生沒有辦法殺不掉你殺了一個又有十個殺了十個又有上百個我們真的難道打架是法"},{"start":11976.818,"end":11987.765,"text":"二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、一、二、三、四、五、六、七、八、九、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、"},{"start":11989.152,"end":12014.437,"text":"報告委員在打詐釋法通過之前我們短期的做法基本上有兩個第一個我們就設立一個公眾人物這些名人的通報的e-mail好像說那個謝社長還有那個我們這個郭部長他那邊就是遇到這種狀況的話我們馬上跟他做確認確認以後我們就會馬上去通報LINE或者是臉書教求他們盡快去上你們是不是每天都接到通報啊"},{"start":12014.957,"end":12042.946,"text":"是,每天都是因為真的也有一些企業界的在反映他一個禮拜每一天都要再通報煩不生煩啊是那我們的策略基本上兩個一個除了這個打砸司法這個法律的手段以外我們利用科技的手段那我們現在資安院每天會利用AI的方式去掃描網路這些社群平台然後去撿去找到那些可疑的詐騙的訊息然後我們在做人工篩選以後也會立刻"},{"start":12043.126,"end":12051.833,"text":"我覺得你們在末單去做這個只是累死大家而已。我覺得一定要在前端。你知道像這個黃榮勳有人直接的就寫信給臉書說你們都是這些都已經都是詐騙集團臉書回覆給他說這個沒有違反他的廣告原則"},{"start":12063.622,"end":12064.523,"text":"審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具"},{"start":12085.282,"end":12088.564,"text":"司法法制委員會新政府上來之前我就特別提到你們在這次司法裡面沒有針對律師你知道我們現在的律師涉入這些詐騙集團越來越多"},{"start":12101.656,"end":12109.08,"text":"知法犯法你今天去打開這些網頁很多律師呢他就做廣告說一定能幫你脫罪呀他成功幫你怎麼樣怎麼樣的可以減輕你的這個這個罪行啦或者幫你脫罪那所以剛才才講的為什麼檢調警察辛辛苦苦的去抓抓完了之後到了法院然後輕輕鬆鬆的他們就通通都被放出來"},{"start":12127.29,"end":12145.846,"text":"那因為這些律師很厲害。好,這些律師不只如此,還直接涉詐成為這些犯罪集團的首腦之一。他們還可以成立一個律師團,然後每一個車手派給你一個律師,然後互相串聯。然後知道這些車手,那麼你的辯護政策,你掌握的資訊,然後回報到詐騙集團的首腦。結果現在呢,你看辦了這麼多的詐騙案件,都跟律師有關。"},{"start":12155.254,"end":12170.428,"text":"所以事實上我已經提案我希望我們這個法務部也應該提案好來我們看下面我認為啊律師法官檢察官涉案這些知法犯法的人應該最佳一等"},{"start":12170.968,"end":12191.255,"text":"一定要罪加一等,不然他們不會怕的。所以我提案裡面呢,就是對於射詐的律師,在律師法裡面做修正。比如講,你只要判一審有罪,就是組織犯罪條例第三條第一項,就是跟詐騙有關的。你一審有罪,然後你就應該除名處分。我們現在縣市首長就這樣,一審有罪,這個縣市首長就被撤銷了。"},{"start":12200.686,"end":12215.298,"text":"政治人物應該是有這樣的一個責任,那律師呢?是不是應該這樣子?法委員,我們這個禮拜就是要開會來檢討律師法這一部分的修正。好,那你們大概準備什麼時候會提出修正?有招律師公會來的。"},{"start":12216.519,"end":12243.336,"text":"我們有請那個律師公會也派人來討論這個部分我們這裡我們已經要開會討論了好非常好我希望能夠競訴因為打詐是法我覺得有法就先行沒有問題因為我們全力支持但是律師其實法官檢察官知法犯法你只要有涉入我覺得絕對不能寬戴好不好法務部這一個部分責任把它負起來好謝謝"},{"start":12245.423,"end":12247.186,"text":"王宏威委員致信鄭天才"},{"start":12272.763,"end":12295.59,"text":"主席、各位委員、請部長。政委員好。部長好。這個詐騙非常非常的嚴重。然後這個整個各種招數都有了。"},{"start":12296.601,"end":12323.323,"text":"審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具:「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案案件, 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如果我們沒有法律的話,一定會更猖獗。所以你要相信我們的政府,包括中央的地方,不要一起來努力。」 姜蕾蕾:「部長,如果說你這樣講的話,本身很難接受,是因為,那這樣子意思就是說我們這次的修法還不夠囉?我們這次的修法的力度、強度還是說我們已經想到的預防,因為這些都是老問題啊。」"},{"start":12916.724,"end":12929.326,"text":"這些不是新問題。你看,連這名人詐騙從一開始的時候,哇,賴清德總統的這個肖像被濫用,大家很關注,到現在丟出來沒有半個人覺得,這習以為常了。"},{"start":12930.828,"end":12931.449,"text":"審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具"},{"start":12949.764,"end":12977.02,"text":"在我們這個道路上打廣告嗎?不能。我們當然不能。那如果說不能的話,那為什麼能夠忍受詐騙集團在網路上打廣告?我們也不能忍受啊。是。所以我現在只是請教的是說,這一次的這個修法之後是不是能夠讓這一些廣告消神匿跡?我們盡量來努力。我們一定會非常的努力。那最後,部長請教,能不能在這次完了之後我們做一個大規模的這個網路上的一個掃黑?"},{"start":12978.442,"end":13001.563,"text":"就是如同說我們有這個專案嘛就譬如說我們在春節有治安專案那我們這一次修法如果說順利通過我們是不是能夠定來網路上一個大規模的一個掃黑掃除詐騙至少說我們用一切辦法來去把這些網路上不要再讓社群媒體上我覺得這真的是非常諷刺的狀況部長能不能宣示"},{"start":13002.043,"end":13018.549,"text":"是,紅委員所提的應該是說網路上面掃除這種詐欺、詐騙的危害啦。原則上跟黑好像有點不太一樣。就是掃除這些詐騙、掃黑嘛。我們盡量朝這個方向來努力。盡量朝這個方向。部長為什麼會提到這一點啊?因為這個是你"},{"start":13020.677,"end":13041.318,"text":"二零二三年質詢林右昌部長的話你那時候站在這個位置就是要求林右昌部長是說要來做一次大規模的掃黑啦是是那本席現在就是拜託既然您那時候是立法委員你是監督者現在您是主事者我沒有懷疑你要打擊詐騙的決心我沒有懷疑政府因為我們跟"},{"start":13042.279,"end":13062.367,"text":"政府都一樣就是希望讓台灣2350萬人都不要再免於受到詐騙的困難所以我們當然是希望有權利者能夠來做一個大規模的掃蕩把這一些詐騙集團真的在網路上的廣告都不要再出現了這是一個很好的方向我們來努力好謝謝我們洪孟凱委員的執行謝謝好謝謝那下一位我們樓庭偉委員"},{"start":13073.356,"end":13089.371,"text":"好,謝謝主席。有請部長以及出發林次還有打雜辦公室李主任。好,林主任。好,部長。部長請問你有接過詐騙訊息嗎?我的親友有。"},{"start":13092.213,"end":13120.502,"text":"噢!部長沒有根據草根影響力文教基金會去年5月公布的一項調查全台僅6%的民眾沒有接到詐騙電話跟簡訊部長沒有接過詐騙那真的是6%的天選之人詐騙更在網路世界橫行但數位發展部成立之後對反詐的詐騙著力非常的少剛剛部長有說相信政府我們都願意相信政府但是看到打詐辦公室的成立1.0、1.5我們看到了整個效力不髒"},{"start":13121.522,"end":13125.167,"text":"二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、"},{"start":13139.025,"end":13144.71,"text":"審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具、「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案"},{"start":13158.36,"end":13185.768,"text":"我想我自己本身在最近也被成為這個網路詐騙的一個使用範例拿著我們的頭像去做這個相關的不管是家庭代工的招攬或者是一些工作介紹然後打著我們的名號我想我只是一個小咖但是連我這麼小咖都會被去用到詐騙集團的一個使用範例更何況是剛剛所提出的總統副總統或知名媒體人我想去年截至11月"},{"start":13187.298,"end":13191.801,"text":"我們詐騙的件數已經達到3萬5千件詐騙金額達79億這個案件越來越多連交通罰單都可以有詐騙還有什麼不能騙這個交通罰單的詐騙你有掌握嗎?"},{"start":13201.886,"end":13202.907,"text":"審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具"},{"start":13220.277,"end":13246.168,"text":"對所以我相信警察有辨識力但民眾沒有但台灣的詐騙到底有多猖獗到底猖獗的原因是什麼首要詐騙的關鍵原因就是全民的個資外洩手機網路帳號都落入詐騙集團的手中所以這些人可以輕而易舉的拿到全民的個資去做散佈去做宣傳去進而達到他們去聯繫這個您覺得呢"},{"start":13248.749,"end":13248.909,"text":"審查委員"},{"start":13270.265,"end":13279.511,"text":"審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具:「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案案件、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件、"},{"start":13295.882,"end":13312.876,"text":"在法制的作業裡面任何一部法律的提出在行政院審查之前都會有做各部會針對修正的重點做法規的影響評估也就是法制作業規定一定要負法規影響的評估請問詐欺犯罪危害防制條例這個草案有沒有做法規的影響評估"},{"start":13313.957,"end":13337.11,"text":"我們的羅政務委員他當時在召集各單位的處理的時候一定有做這樣的討論影響評估會後可不可以給我一些相關的資料有做這樣的討論但是我需要去看一下說他們的討論是不是變成一個是一個報告好沒關係如果有的話討論的一些過程也可以讓我們知道一下我想一夜市的詐騙網頁未來您覺得有沒有機會可以封網接貨多久可以下架該詐騙網站請數位部好嗎"},{"start":13340.839,"end":13361.324,"text":"關於一夜市的那個詐騙廣告最多的就是仿冒名人的部分那我們很非常希望說在這個打詐專法通過以後那我們會要求實名制就是以後這種詐騙廣告就不會再出現了因為如果有人想要仿冒這些名人譬如說謝金河董事長的或者黃仁勳先生的那個董事長的名字的話這我才知道"},{"start":13361.724,"end":13382.962,"text":"是那很多常常都講說因為他的臉書不在台灣啊都在境外啊無法可管今天打炸新司法落山獨就管得到嗎抓得到嗎沒有錯啊我們在事實上在第27條到第33條裡面啊就是有講到就是說他必須落地他必須有法律代表人而且法律代表人目前業者商討進度為何執法的訂定期程"},{"start":13384.142,"end":13398.778,"text":"基本上那個現在是連美商跟日商大部分都在台灣都已經有法律代表人或是分公司了這個比較沒有問題那另外就是但是對他們來講第一個他處理速度太慢所以我們現在有這個"},{"start":13399.859,"end":13400.099,"text":"審查委員陳亭妃等16人"},{"start":13430.823,"end":13433.325,"text":"蘿婷緯委員執行審柏洋委員執行刑事庭副庭長"},{"start":13457.681,"end":13458.662,"text":"審查委員長"},{"start":13480.442,"end":13504.807,"text":"第一個我先直接用講的話跑得有點慢就是說這個因為3394它本身就是一個加重詐欺那現在打詐專法這邊就是三人以上再加上利用境外激防詐騙這邊又再加重二分之一它等於是加重了兩次二分之一那我覺得這當然有兩個疑點第一個就是在法定刑上面連續加重兩次二分之一到底合不合宜這是第一個第二個就是因為三人以上這件事情"},{"start":13505.487,"end":13528.895,"text":"在 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對不對所以他會有一些減刑的規定等等之類的但是我們在假釋這一邊因為我們用了三政法案的一個精神那這邊我會有一個建議就是說呢"},{"start":13676.437,"end":13695.4,"text":"因為今天假釋這件事情他到底該假釋還是不要假釋他的重點是在於他在監獄的表現嘛所以他的監獄的表現跟他今天到底是不是犯了幾次的詐欺罪這應該是分開的兩件事這是第一個第二個就是我們都設計了這樣的一個簡型的規定但他第三次的時候他一定不會想要來講啦"},{"start":13696.241,"end":13719.455,"text":"因為按照這樣的一個方式呢,因為它會落入到假釋裡面的這種三證法案。那它一旦進來的話,那你設計那個解刑規定在第三次的時候其實就沒有作用。所以是不是我不知道司法院或法務部這邊的一個立場,但是顯然在這邊利用這種類似那個之前的強制治療的這種三證法案的精神,它其實不符合我們想要打詐這件事情。那是不是不知道司法院這邊的意見是如何?"},{"start":13720.415,"end":13738.88,"text":"副委員吼,因為畢竟假設這個部分是參考美國的三政法案的法制啦,那這個法制到底妥不妥當,是不是適合吼,我覺得各有說法啦,那只是說在這一次我們考量到說如果是一般的這個電信詐欺的話,的確他的再犯可能性是比較高的。"},{"start":13739.46,"end":13765.225,"text":"那這種災犯可能性比較高的情況之下是不是適合在一般的假釋門檻到的時候就可以假釋還是要如同說這個這個法務部這邊所提出來的這個三證條款的規定吼我們的確是會有一些斟酌的餘地啦但是我們也尊重權責機關的處理啦對因為美國三證最初的精神是在良心加重並不是在假釋這一邊是我們在移植的時候呢把它一直放到比如說強制治療啊等等之類的"},{"start":13766.025,"end":13792.788,"text":"因為刑法第77條也有類似的規定。但是在犯可能性這件事情它跟它譬如說在獄中的表現等等之類的它是綜合作判斷嘛所以我們不能夠預設立場因為這等於是在你在一開始的時候預設立場它的在犯可能性然後它在假設的規定作為改變那這個其實在法理上聽起來是有點不同的啦所以我覺得在逐條的時候這件事情可能要考慮一下因為我今天沒有辦法討論逐條所以就是這兩件事情希望司法院能夠注意一下"},{"start":13793.148,"end":13802.152,"text":"二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、"},{"start":13819.595,"end":13842.791,"text":"黃媛豪市部長、市長我想我們都很樂見打詐的法律盡快的來通過那當然民眾黨也有提版本我今天想跟兩位就教的就是目前我們做了非常多的限制比如說金融機構、第三方支付還有電信業者、網路廣告平台業電商業跟網路連線的遊戲業這些有被納入管理"},{"start":13847.014,"end":13874.815,"text":"但是現在部長也知道我們現在的詐欺是無所不在而且層出不窮目前為止110年的LINE詐欺佔網路詐欺案件的高達20%也就是說LINE是一個通訊平台它單純的只是個人跟個人之間的聯絡但是不同年齡層使用LINE通訊軟體的受騙方式未滿18歲的幾乎都是假愛情假交友"},{"start":13875.575,"end":13897.914,"text":"十八到六十歲的都是投資詐欺。六十歲以上的都是猜猜我是誰。所以賴詐欺其實已經成為網絡詐欺裡面百分之二十的數量。我想問一下次長跟部長。我們今天通過假設通過這個打詐專法能不能夠處理這樣子的詐騙行為。這樣子的業者或這樣子的詐騙行徑。"},{"start":13903.882,"end":13921.112,"text":"關於那個Online的詐騙這個部分那個我們現在在不在這個法律可以處罰的對象是可以在處罰的對象裡面在怎麼樣的狀況可以處罰他如果說他這個訊息裡面有明顯的詐騙訊息的話我們可以依照這個法令就是要求他們儘快把他下架他只是個平台他會被你處罰嗎"},{"start":13923.849,"end":13940.326,"text":"我們現在如果說他第一個就是說如果我們已經發現是詐騙了我們通知他他一定得他一定在處理這就是問題說現在的問題是很多被害人在第一時間發現被盜的帳號賴帳號但是詐騙集團利用客服下班的時候"},{"start":13941.027,"end":13953.954,"text":"審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具:「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案 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黃委員好。部長好。部長今天就這個詐欺犯罪危害防制條例那本席來自地方其實我們這個服務的這個選民非常多就是被詐騙那其實我們最近也碰到一位"},{"start":14100.098,"end":14114.641,"text":"二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、九、十、一、二、三、四、五、六、七、八、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、"},{"start":14125.703,"end":14127.704,"text":"審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人"},{"start":14155.698,"end":14172.664,"text":"二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、一、二、三、四、五、六、七、八、九、十、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、"},{"start":14183.848,"end":14203.046,"text":"二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、一、二、三、四、五、六、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、"},{"start":14206.469,"end":14228.124,"text":"謝謝黃委員黃委員您所碰到的狀況我們也都有知道第一個就是說未來的打詐中心我們的165反詐騙諮詢專線是24小時的所以有一些老人家他不曉得165怎麼打所以我現在就是可能我們要拜託民政系統還有警政系統或者是宗教團體的志工系統盡量到很多比較偏鄉地區去宣傳你如果有事情165要先看一看這是一個"},{"start":14232.887,"end":14233.207,"text":"審查委員陳亭妃等16人"},{"start":14259.764,"end":14277.638,"text":"是,報告委員我們目前數位部一方面是我們對於那個詐騙網路詐騙的方法一方面是尋求法律的支援另外一方面是用科技的方法那我們希望說用那個科技的方法每天去掃描用AI的方法去掃描說那個"},{"start":14278.238,"end":14296.032,"text":"大型網路上有多少的詐騙。依照我們資安院目前的做法每天可以掃描到5000多則的疑似詐騙的廣告。我們經過人工過濾以後會直接送給大型的網路平台像是LINE或者是像Facebook。我們現在還需要法律上的支援就是因為我們通報給這些"},{"start":14297.293,"end":14311.953,"text":"審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具:「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案 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address他遇到這種詐騙他可以跟我們講我們馬上就會轉通知LINE跟Facebook要求他們立即處理"},{"start":14403.102,"end":14424.478,"text":"好,謝謝。那我是不是可以請部長,因為在地方我們的警局或者是分局、派出所,他們都會有一個治安會報、治安座談,到各個社區去做宣導。那我希望就是說,未來我們也希望這個治安的宣導部分,到每個社區應該還要針對詐騙的這個部分。然後詐騙的手法推陳出新,我覺得應該也要由警政單位這邊"},{"start":14434.527,"end":14455.386,"text":"委員的建議非常的好齁,我們一定來遵照,而且我們把案例告訴這些偏鄉的老人家,讓他們知道怎麼樣可以防範。好,謝謝。謝謝我們黃秀芳委員。好,我們下一位羅志強委員,羅志強委員,羅志強委員不在。楊瓊英委員,楊瓊英委員。好,謝謝。"},{"start":14461.402,"end":14465.545,"text":"謝謝主席,楊主委發言,我們再請部長。好,請部長。楊委員你好。部長好。這個打詐讓我們很憂心。是。所以政府會成立打詐國家隊,打詐無法,一直在嚴厲。但是我們似乎發覺說,口號越多,那案件越多。就甚至連看鎖鎖。"},{"start":14492.759,"end":14496.825,"text":"連這個監獄裡頭所增加的人數以詐欺犯為主。"},{"start":14498.492,"end":14525.349,"text":"這個讓我們用心末端來看整個過程那這怎麼辦呢本席也看到今天謝謝今天的主席來直接來討論這個打詐無法要怎麼去做打詐釋法要怎麼去做所以我們看到從111年6月份開始打詐綱領開始我們發覺到這個問題的嚴重性除了在你們所說的宣導教育面、賭詐"},{"start":14527.23,"end":14537.18,"text":"審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具:「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案案件、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件、"},{"start":14548.257,"end":14562.014,"text":"我抓到這個人我們很辛苦的警察檢警調抓到了但是沒錢對於民眾來講是一大損失是一大損失抓到了沒錢沒用"},{"start":14563.137,"end":14572.463,"text":"審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具:「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案案件、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件、"},{"start":14579.318,"end":14602.202,"text":"人口販運的防治、洗錢防治法、個人的個資保護、證券投資信託以及他的顧問法,這一些的法律出來也就因應目前社會所需要,真的是所需要。我們也看到你們所提出的"},{"start":14604.543,"end":14627.615,"text":"這個1.5版以減害為主本席認為這非常的消極因為你的三面檢政策減少接觸減少誤信減少損害甚至剛剛部長你回答的要到偏鄉讓志工去告訴這些歐巴桑歐里桑他知道165怎麼打打炸的這個要怎麼打數位部也努力在推動預計要有這個"},{"start":14630.436,"end":14637.044,"text":"二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、十、九、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、"},{"start":14644.997,"end":14660.763,"text":"我們要怎麼辦?請教部長。在預防面的部分,其實真的是要全民一起來防止才有用。跟委員非常清楚,不是只有偏鄉,包括很多在都會地區,尤其是善用這個網路的人,"},{"start":14661.443,"end":14670.13,"text":"審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具:「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、"},{"start":14687.924,"end":14713.371,"text":"智慧分析的決策、它支援的系統還有我們自己165反詐騙系統的一個平台那這一些如果資料流出去哇那更嚴重喔有沒有圍堵有沒有圍堵這邊的資料會流出去不會啊這個是我們只是收案的窗口啊普黨你新聞都沒在看啊新聞都沒在看啊"},{"start":14714.781,"end":14741.678,"text":"所以我提出這一點也就是陳儒AI的系統可以去正面偵防詐騙但是他也有一個反向所以當建議給部長當你在思考問題的時候根源從哪裡來您剛才一直回答說怎麼可能會流出去有流出去啊社會新聞你知道啊所以在這樣的一個情況之下"},{"start":14742.819,"end":14758.182,"text":"我們希望就陳寧你說的,全面大家一起來,全面一起來,全面的圍堵。這才可以,才是真正的這個,這個全面的圍堵。您的看法呢?警政署你要不要說說?"},{"start":14759.806,"end":14788.568,"text":"那剛剛委員所提的就是不管我們的異化啦、刑案的這個資料系統或者是165這個都是我們的這個公務的資料絕對嚴禁流出,流出就違法了所以這部分我們事實是會做嚴謹的絕對不會把我們的這些資料流向出去那未來那我們這個打詐是否過之後我們各部委會協同來讓打詐這件事讓人民有感"},{"start":14789.888,"end":14813.681,"text":"對,因為警察很辛苦所以我給部長說的就是說希望正面反面你都要去思考因為從你還沒就任部長以前我相信你當了民意代表的時候你也認知到真的很普遍民眾很傷腦筋所以我們也希望介於您在行政在"},{"start":14815.285,"end":14836.725,"text":"民意基礎上面都非常的充足可以正面反面的一個思考讓民眾真正的是有感要不然真的我看到連監獄、看守所的人數增加都以詐騙犯、詐欺犯為主那民眾情何以堪呢 對不對所以我們一起加油好不好 謝謝好 謝謝楊瓊英委員的諮詢 謝謝"},{"start":14841.6,"end":14868.265,"text":"下一位張家勁委員張家勁委員張家勁委員不在我們鍾嘉斌委員鍾嘉斌委員鍾嘉斌委員不在林子英委員林子英委員林子英委員不在曾振銓曾振銓曾振銓委員不在李伯義李伯義李伯義委員不在黃國昌黃國昌委員請執行"},{"start":14882.227,"end":14901.592,"text":"二、謝謝主席。麻煩有請內政部的部長、法務部的政事、還有司法院刑事廳的代表、副廳長或者是法官等等都可以。黃委員好。黃委員好。"},{"start":14909.299,"end":14926.755,"text":"三位好時間的關係不宜問候我直接切入正題詐騙對台灣人民所造成的傷害我相信不用再贅述了從事前的預防到事後的追陳都很重要今天我們提出打詐專法"},{"start":14928.339,"end":14951.847,"text":"我非常重視一個面向就是不管是台灣民眾黨我們在一開始的時候辦的公定會以及我接下來到刑事警察局到調查局我們去拜訪希望他們能夠說明在打詐作業當中他們所面臨的困境其中一個大家共同的心聲是台灣對詐欺犯的處罰"},{"start":14954.608,"end":14978.533,"text":"真的太輕了導致在台版柬埔災案當中那個主嫌攔到32個加重詐欺罪一天的勞都沒有做32個加重詐欺罪一天的勞都沒有做這件事情到底怎麼發生的我們的司法體系是怎麼樣把一個小弟養成熟腦從小弟變熟腦32個加重詐欺罪"},{"start":14982.615,"end":15004.077,"text":"結果竟然一天的勞動沒有做所以今天我看到你們針對高額財產的損害加重行車立法的體力上我支持我支持第二個部分詐欺獲取的財物達一千萬以上的加重處罰嘛到一億以上的時候應不應該也要加重處罰來請教部長"},{"start":15008.479,"end":15033.91,"text":"到一千萬以上加重處罰嘛,到一億以上要不要加更重?部長,在不贊成?我覺得這是一個很好的方向,但是可能要請我們的主席不會來回應比較好。好,謝謝。再來,事宜四條,339條之事第一項第二款之罪,就是三人劫火去犯嘛。如果有其他各款的話,加重期刑最高最低同加之,這是你們基本上面的設計。我們等一下來看這個條文。"},{"start":15035.411,"end":15057.597,"text":"當我們看完43條跟44條以後我下面有個問題啊因為那個部長你先回去休息沒關係啦因為接下來可能是法律專業的事情不好意思讓你站在上面來請法務部的政次甲乙丙三個人共同透過網際網絡散佈假投資真詐騙的訊息這個可以說是我們現在詐騙實務上面的常態嘛"},{"start":15058.577,"end":15079.007,"text":"他其中導致一個人A限於錯誤交付新台幣1500萬超過1000萬了嘛依照你們目前打詐專法的設計你要用第幾條追溯處罰?報告委員就是44條第一項的第一款他是複合性的那43條有沒有用?43條的話應該是"},{"start":15087.831,"end":15116.252,"text":"現在我直接講問題啦你們規範了43條規範了44條我現在在請教你的是43條跟44條的競合報告委員這是法條競合對嘛 所以你要用哪一條會用43條你就回去用43條了嘛那不對啊你43條基本上加重你要給他加重處罰提高法定性的罪責是他"},{"start":15117.386,"end":15125.173,"text":"審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具:「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案"},{"start":15131.994,"end":15144.988,"text":"對吧 是那43條跟44條加重期刑的法律理由不一樣嘛 是我現在出現的狀況是當你被害的金額超過一千萬他使用的犯罪手法又是339條知識四款的複合形態"},{"start":15148.851,"end":15164.661,"text":"被害的金額超過一千萬。犯罪的手法用了兩種以上。那這種競合的形態,那你怎麼會只單純回到44、43條。那44條要考慮的因素不是不見了嗎?部長,不,不好意思。次長,我有沒有說錯?呃。"},{"start":15172.51,"end":15186.333,"text":"立法過程我是不是請司長補充一下?沒有,我不需要知道立法過程我只需要知道你們現在所端出來的法案到檯面上了以後我們今天假設立法院三讀通過的這個條文43條跟44條的競合你們要怎麼處理?這是我的問題我知道"},{"start":15193.376,"end":15208.625,"text":"那個按照委員剛才的例子的話他一加重的話會到10年6個月啦所以呢所以我們就會回到43條對44條就不用評價了44才對啦回來就是44條不好意思啦你跳來跳去的到底是43還是44還是43加44法條進合那我們重重就是44條"},{"start":15221.701,"end":15242.535,"text":"就是14條?是,44條。你們再回去想一想。我知道你們在推這個專法的時候時間壓力很大嘛。因為我去刑事警察局去調查局的時候我得到的消息是都還在研擬當中嘛。我知道你們時間的壓力很大。我也沒有怪你們。但問題是什麼?"},{"start":15244.016,"end":15271.304,"text":"你再出現這種法條進合的狀態的時候一個是被害的金額一個是犯罪的手法兩個考慮完全不一樣嘛是當被害的金額增加犯罪的手法又用是複合性的形態的時候這個時候我們在整個刑法的理論上那就應該要更加重其刑嘛我這樣的說法次長在不贊成啊贊成贊成嘛好我們今天吼今天吼我有朝你一個修正動議我們台灣民眾黨黨"},{"start":15274.404,"end":15297.803,"text":"內政委員會的委員跟最後國民黨委員大家都有支持等下在審法案的時候針對43條跟44條競合的形態的時候再請法務部跟我們司法院的法官們能夠表示好的見解第二個這個是我之前在質詢的時候我一直在問的事情主席再一分鐘可以嗎"},{"start":15299.339,"end":15301.079,"text":"審查委員陳亭妃等16人"},{"start":15321.277,"end":15350.256,"text":"多一個月都在法官的設成範圍當中這我之前在社交法治委員會的時候我已經質詢過非常多次好那你們現在為了處理這個問題所以你們在44條第二項的時候特別把它列出來前項加重情形最高最低度同加之嘛我知道你們的立法的意圖是希望說最低的也要最少加二分之一嘛不要像以前一樣只加一個月大家沒辦法接受嘛那我現在的問題是說"},{"start":15352.238,"end":15371.69,"text":"當刑法67條相同的文字已經出現過了但我們法官在解釋上還是認為加一個月就夠你們為什麼會認為相同的文字在專法當中再重新寫一次法官適用法律的結果會有所不同來請一下司法院"},{"start":15373.342,"end":15395.08,"text":"保安委員這個應該是不一樣的加重期刑二分之一跟加重期刑至二分之一是不一樣的如果是加重期刑二分之一就是一定要加到二分之一最高最低都是一樣嘛所以未來沒有這個非常重要因為未來我們在其他的特別法規當中包括兒少性剝削的條例"},{"start":15396.201,"end":15415.283,"text":"包括其他的法規有加重期刑到二分之一我們全部立法者喔全部把它改成加重期刑二分之一按照今天司法院的說法是不是就是最低的刑度也會一定會加二分之一我需要一個肯定的答案我需要一個肯定的答案因為喔因為"},{"start":15416.997,"end":15431.754,"text":"實際上面法院判決的結果是不是這個樣子大家都充滿了疑惑所以請司法院主席站起來了最後回答一個問題所以你今天的說法是只是因為文字上面呈現的不同如果"},{"start":15432.435,"end":15448.885,"text":"今天立法者包括了在《兒少權益保護法》包括了在《性剝削條例》等等我們寫的不是加重其刑至二分之一喔是加重其刑二分之一的話最低的刑度就一定會加二分之以上是不是這樣"},{"start":15453.222,"end":15463.325,"text":"審議法文時,我們再用具體判決來檢驗司法院的法官今天在上面講的是不是對的。謝謝黃國昌委員的質詢林思明委員林思明委員不在蘇清淺委員蘇清淺委員蘇清淺委員不在"},{"start":15479.841,"end":15495.46,"text":"二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、"},{"start":15499.583,"end":15514.571,"text":"委員鍾佳斌委員、李博毅委員、羅志強委員所提私面執行列入記錄刊登公報。私面執行及未達戶部分,請相關單位一週內以私面達戶並複資本會。"},{"start":15518.794,"end":15544.826,"text":"報告委員會現在我們進行法案審查請先讀討論事項第一、第一案、第二案所有版本及條文修正動議請一併先讀先讀完畢後再進行協商請議會人員我們現在也在這先讀我們也用餐好大家辛苦了謝謝"},{"start":15548.123,"end":15563.467,"text":"審查行政院提案、台灣民眾黨黨團提案及委員陳亭妃等提案均為《詐欺犯罪危害防制條例》第一章"},{"start":15574.525,"end":15592.471,"text":"行政院提案、台灣民眾黨黨團提案及委員陳亭妃等提案張明均為總責第一條行政院提案為防制及打擊詐騙危害預防與遏止不當利用金融、電信及網路從事詐欺犯罪並保護被害人保障人民權益特制定本條例台灣民眾黨黨團提案及委員陳亭妃等提案均同行政院提案"},{"start":15593.231,"end":15618.088,"text":"第二條行政院提案本條例用詞定義如下依詐欺犯罪指下六個目之罪依犯刑法第339條之四之罪二犯第43條或第44條之罪三犯與前二目有裁判上一罪關係之其他犯罪二金融機構指洗錢防治法第五條第一項規定之機構三提供虛擬資產服務之事業或人員指依洗錢防治法第五條第四項規定指定之提供虛擬資產服務事業或人員"},{"start":15620.129,"end":15635.025,"text":"四、電信事業指定性管理法第3條第1項第一款規定制電信事業五、網路廣告平台業者指透過網際網路平台或版位提供刊登或推播廣告之服務並收取對價且為民眾接觸廣告最終端網路平台業者"},{"start":15635.886,"end":15655.742,"text":"第三方支付服務業者指非屬電子支付機構管理條例所稱電子支付機構提供代理收付網路實質交易款項服務制業者。七、電商業者指主要從事網際網路方式零售商品或經營網際網路平台提供他人零售商品制業者。八、網路連線遊戲業者指營運網路連線遊戲服務制業者及發行線上遊戲點數專門用以兌換網路連線遊戲服務或商品制發行人。台民民眾黨黨團提案局委員陳亭妃等提案均同行政院提案。"},{"start":15663.829,"end":15684.915,"text":"第三條本條例所稱主管機關在中央為內政部在直轄市為直轄市政府在縣市為縣市政府主管機關有目的事業主管機關依舊本條例規定事項及防制詐欺犯罪之需要主動規劃所需之預防及宣導措施對涉及相關機關之防制業務並應全力配合並辦理下列事項依中央主管機關防制詐欺犯罪"},{"start":15685.655,"end":15708.848,"text":"政策、法規與方案之研究規劃之訂定及解釋其他統籌及督導防制詐欺犯罪業務等相關事宜。二、金融主管機關防制詐欺犯罪相關金融管理措施之規劃推動執行及監督。三、電信主管機關防制詐欺犯罪相關電信管理措施之規劃推動執行及監督。四、數位經濟相關產業主管機關防制詐欺犯罪相關之網路廣告平台第三方支付服務電商。"},{"start":15709.788,"end":15727.566,"text":"網路連線遊戲管理措施之規劃推動執行及監督,無法務主管機關詐欺犯罪之偵查、執行災犯抑制及被害人保護等刑事司法相關事宜,六、其他防制詐欺犯罪工作與相關目的事業主管機關應職權辦理,前向各款事項涉及各機關構之執掌或業務時,各級政府機關構應配合辦理。"},{"start":15729.127,"end":15750.64,"text":"台灣民眾黨黨團提案及委員陳亭妃等提案均同行政院提案。第四條行政院提案主管機關及各相關目的事業主管機關得以補助獎勵或輔導方式推動下列事項一、詐欺防制教育宣導二、詐欺防制技術輔導三、促進產業學術及研究機構合作詐欺防制四、鼓勵投入詐欺防制人才培育五、充裕詐欺防制人才資源"},{"start":15751.52,"end":15768.797,"text":"六、鼓勵或協助運用適當技術或新興科技研發強化詐欺防治措施,其其他促進詐欺防治及相關研究發展之事項,前向補助獎勵或輔導之對象資格條件審核基準,申請程序和定機關及其他相關事項之辦法,由主管機關及各相關目的事業主管機關定之。"},{"start":15770.731,"end":15786.688,"text":"台灣民眾黨黨團提案局委員陳亭妃等提案均同行政院提案第五條行政院提案主管機關各目的事業主管機關應急和產業或民間團體積極辦理詐欺犯罪之預防、宣導、偵查及保護等相關業務並與各國政府、戶口及非政府組織進行各項合作事宜"},{"start":15787.709,"end":15804.222,"text":"臺灣民眾黨黨團提案及委員陳亭妃等提案均同行政院提案。第六條行政院提案主管機關各目的事業主管機關與第二條第二款至第八款至機構事業及業者應第幾舉辦教育訓練加強其人員防制詐欺犯罪制意識。臺灣民眾黨黨團提案及委員陳亭妃等提案均同行政院提案。"},{"start":15805.063,"end":15831.553,"text":"第二章行政院提案台灣民眾黨黨團提案捷委陳亭妃等提案章明均為救援防詐機制第一節行政院提案台灣民眾黨黨團提案捷委陳亭妃等提案捷民均為金融防詐措施第七條行政院提案金融機構及提供虛擬資產服務之事業或人員應採取合理措施防止存款帳戶電子支付帳戶信用卡與虛擬資產帳號遭濫用與詐欺犯罪並因向客戶宣導預防詐欺之資訊"},{"start":15832.353,"end":15859.591,"text":"台灣民眾黨黨團提案及五人陳亭妃等提案均同行政院提案第八條行政院提案金融機構對存款賬戶電子支付賬戶及信用卡提供虛擬資產服務之事業或人人對虛擬資產賬號應盡善良管理人之注意與對疑似涉及詐欺犯罪這一場存款賬戶電子支付賬戶信用卡或虛擬資產賬戶賬號應強化確認客戶身份並得採取對客戶身份持續審查暫停或存入暫停存入或提領匯出款項或虛擬"},{"start":15861.633,"end":15889.33,"text":"資產暫停全部或部分交易功能管控信用卡及暫停信用卡帳戶交易功能拒絕建立業務關係或提供服務等控管措施金融機構及提供虛擬資產服務之事業或人員執行前項後段規定作業時的詐欺同業受詐欺者應提供相關資訊請人向疑似涉及詐欺犯罪之異常存款帳戶電子支付帳戶信用卡或虛擬資產帳號認定基準詐欺程序與項目作業程序及其他應遵行事項之辦法要增讓金融主管機關定值"},{"start":15893.511,"end":15917.837,"text":"九條行政院提案金融機構及提供虛擬資產服務之事業或人員依前條第一項後段規定辦理時應保存該客戶確認身份程序所得資料及交易資料交易紀錄並得向司法檢察機關通報司法檢察機關接獲通報後應與合理期間通知金融機構或提供虛擬資產服務之事業或人員就該異常帳戶信用卡或虛擬資產帳號辦理後續控管或解除控管"},{"start":15918.257,"end":15943.573,"text":"前項資料及交易紀錄應自業務關係中止時其至少保存5年,但法律另有較長保存其應規定者從其規定。第一項應保存資料、交易紀錄及資範為通報司法、檢查機關這方式程序以就異常帳戶、信用卡或虛擬資產帳號辦理後續控管、解除控管及其他應遵行事項之辦法由中央金融主管機關、會商中央主管機關及法務主管機關定之。台灣民眾黨黨團提案及委員陳亭妃等提案具同行政院提案。"},{"start":15944.213,"end":15971.699,"text":"第十條行政院提案金融機構及提供虛擬資產服務之事業或人員應配合司法警察機關建立聯防通報機制與接獲司法警察機關之通報時各受款行及提供虛擬資產服務之事業或人員應將通報之款項或虛擬資產進行圈存持續監控並得依第八條第一項規定辦理司法警察機關為前項通報後應以合理期間進行查證並通知金融機構及提供虛擬資產服務之事業或人員辦理後續警示作業或解除控管"},{"start":15972.299,"end":15987.639,"text":"前日向之通報機制圈存管項或虛擬資產作業程序後續警示作業解除控管及其他應遵行事項之辦法而中央金融主管機關、匯商中央主管機關及法務主管機關定之。台灣民眾黨黨團提案及委員陳亭妃等提案均同行政院提案。"},{"start":15988.26,"end":16003.49,"text":"第十一條行政院提案金融機構及提供虛擬資產服務之事業或人員依第九條第一項後段司法檢查機關通知暫停全部交易功能之帳戶或帳號中有被害人匯轉入之款項或虛擬資產未經提領者得一元通知機關之通知發還帳戶或帳號內剩餘款項或虛擬資產"},{"start":16007.338,"end":16035.258,"text":"前項發還帳戶或帳號內剩餘款項或虛擬資產之條件、方式、程序及其他應遵行事項之辦法由中央金融主管機關、匯商中央主管機關及法務主管機關定之。台灣民眾黨黨團提案及委員陳亭妃等提案均同行政院提案。第十二條行政院提案金融機構及提供虛擬資產服務之事業或人員執行本條例規定之防詐措施免除企業物商業保守秘密之義務該機構或事業之負責人、董事、經理人及職員一同"},{"start":16035.698,"end":16050.666,"text":"金融機構及提供虛擬資產服務之事業或人員執行本條例規定之防詐措施或配合司法、檢察機關各目的事業主管機關所為之處理,自身損害於客戶或第三人者免負賠償責任。台灣民眾黨黨團提案及委員陳亭妃等提案軍統行政院提案。第十三條"},{"start":16051.787,"end":16078.442,"text":"行政院提案,金融機構及提供虛擬資產服務之事業或人員有下列情形之意者,由這項金融主管機關處新台幣20萬元以上、200萬元以下罰還,並令其限期改正藉其為改正者按次處罰。一違反第八條第二項規定為提供召會者相關資訊。二違反第九條第一項規定為保存資料或交易記錄。三違反第九條第二項規定為依現保存資料或交易記錄。四違反第十條第一項規定為配合建立聯防通報機制或為將通報之款項或虛擬資產進行圈存持續監控。"},{"start":16081.824,"end":16098.278,"text":"金融機構及提供虛擬資產服務之事業或人員有錢箱各款所定情形之一,請結重大者由中央金融主管機關儲新台幣一百萬元以上、一千萬元以上罰還並令其限期改正,藉其為改正者按字處罰。台灣民眾黨黨團提案具委員陳亭妃等提案、軍統行政院提案。"},{"start":16099.039,"end":16126.265,"text":"第二節行政院提案台灣民眾黨黨團提案即為陳亭妃等提案解明均為電信防詐措施。第十四條行政院提案電信事業應採取合理措施防止其電信服務遭濫用與詐欺犯罪並應向用戶宣導預防詐欺之資訊電信事業經電信主管機關或司法警察機關通知有疑似使用電信服務從事詐欺犯罪之類型或方法與技術可行下應採取預防阻止通報或其他合理對應措施避免用戶接觸詐欺資訊。"},{"start":16127.805,"end":16146.492,"text":"電信事業及其從業人員執行本條例規定之防詐措施免除企業務商應保守秘密之義務電信事業執行本條例規定之防詐措施或配合司法警察機關各目的事業主管機關所為之處理自身損害於用戶或第三人者免付賠償責任台灣民眾黨黨團提案及委員陳亭妃等提案均同行政院提案"},{"start":16147.032,"end":16169.31,"text":"第15條行政院提案申請電信服務應出示本人身份證明文件委託代理人申請電信服務者除前項身份證明文件外應出示代理人身份證明文件及委託至授權證明電信事業與用戶簽訂電信服務契約前應和對前二項規定之文件與本人或代理人相符並登錄之台灣民眾黨黨團提案及委員陳亭妃等提案據同行政院提案第16條"},{"start":16170.991,"end":16192.819,"text":"行政院提案用戶轉讓電信服務與他人應向電信事業重新辦理前條規定之核對及登錄事宜但用戶將電信服務供個人家庭生活或企業客戶內部活動目的使用者不在此限用戶為依前項規定將電信事業重新辦理核對及登錄者電信事業依限制或停止提供其相關電信服務台灣民眾黨黨團提案具委員陳亭妃等提案均同行政院提案"},{"start":16193.439,"end":16217.51,"text":"第十七條行政院提案電信事業經電信主管機關或司法檢察機關通知用戶或使用電信人疑似使用電信服務從事詐欺犯罪應限期重新辦理核對及登錄該用戶之資料用戶為依前項規定配合電信事業重新核對及登錄或經核對於本人不相負責電信事業應限制或停止提供該項電信服務台灣民眾黨黨團提案及委員陳亭妃等提案均同行政院提案"},{"start":16218.05,"end":16243.542,"text":"第十八條行政院提案電信事業經電信主管機關或司法檢查機關通知用戶或使用電信人使用電信服務從事詐欺犯罪者應限制或停止提供該項電信服務依請項規定限制或停止之電信服務電信事業應就該用戶申請之其他電信服務限期重新核對及登錄用戶資料用戶未配合電信事業重新核對及登錄或經核對與本人不相符者電信事業應限制或停止提供該用戶其他電信服務"},{"start":16244.242,"end":16269.716,"text":"電信事業經電信主管機關或司法警察機關通知第一項限制或停止提供電信服務之原因消滅得恢復提供用戶使用。台灣民眾黨黨團提案及委員陳亭妃等提案均同行政院提案。第十九條行政院提案電信事業受理申請電信服務應依電信主管機關指定之資料庫輔助核對用戶身份。電信事業提供電信服務經電信主管機關或司法警察機關通知有詐欺犯罪之餘應重新核對者一統。"},{"start":16270.436,"end":16299.232,"text":"前向資料庫由電信主管機關會上中央主管機關協調後指定之電信事業依第一項資料庫輔助核對用戶身份之查詢事項查詢作業程序第二十條第二項與第二十二條第一項之定期查詢頻率及其他相關事項之辦法由電信主管機關定之電信事業搜集、處理及利用第一項資料庫之資料因依個人資料保護法規定辦理不得逾越核對目的之必要範圍並確保其從業人員保密義務台灣民眾黨黨團提案及委員陳亭妃等提案均同行政院提案"},{"start":16300.112,"end":16318.419,"text":"二十條電信事業提供境外高風險電信事業提供至全部或一部國際漫遊服務前與技術可行下依依前條第一項資料庫認證經查證使用電信人無入境資料者不得提供國際漫遊服務但經使用電信人向電信事業領貴提示身份證明為建功和對其登錄後得提供國際漫遊服務"},{"start":16320.18,"end":16335.355,"text":"電信事業提供前項電信服務後應藉階前條第一項資料庫定期查詢該使用電信人是否出境電信事業提供第一項電信服務後發現使用電信人有資料不實、異常使用行為或依前項查詢以出境時應限制或停止提供該項電信服務"},{"start":16336.716,"end":16358.798,"text":"第一項境外高風險電信事業及全部或一部國際漫遊服務之範圍由電信主管機關匯商中央主管機關公告之電信主管機關應定期檢討前項公告之境外高風險電信事業及全部或一部國際漫遊服務之範圍並適時調整台灣民眾黨黨團提案繼委員陳亭妃等提案軍統行政院提案第二十一條行政院提案"},{"start":16359.558,"end":16386.196,"text":"電信事業與境外電信事業簽訂《國際漫遊服務協議》時應遵守平等互惠原則及我國法令之相關規定。電信事業經電信主管機關或司法檢察機關通知特定境外電信事業所提供之特定電信服務有違反我國法令之餘者不得提供對應該特定電信服務之特定用戶號碼或國際行動用戶識別碼、特定號碼或碼段之國際漫遊服務。台灣民眾黨黨團提案及委員陳亭妃等提案軍統行政院提案。"},{"start":16386.796,"end":16415.78,"text":"第二十二條行政院提案電信事業提供非本國籍用戶預付卡服務期間應接接第十九條第一項之資料規定其查詢該用戶是否出境電信事業經依前向規定查詢非本國籍用戶已出境應限制或停止提供其預付卡服務前向非本國籍用戶與預付卡服務有效期間再日自入境經向電信事業申請核對及登錄用戶身分後電信事業得繼續提供原電信服務台灣民眾黨黨團提案僱文陳亭妃等提案均同行政院提案"},{"start":16416.36,"end":16442.342,"text":"第23條,依第17條第二項或第18條第一項規定,受電信事業限制或停止電信服務之用戶上同一電信事業再度申請電信服務時,該電信事業予受限制或停止通知之日期二年內限制其自多申請一門用戶號碼或一項電信服務,但用戶仍有該電信事業提供之其他用戶號碼或電信服務時,電信事業予受限制或停止通知之日期二年內不得受理其申請。"},{"start":16443.263,"end":16461.815,"text":"曾因使用或提供電信服務進行詐欺受司法警察機關通知限制或停止電信服務之法人、非法人團體商號其代表人在不同法人、非法人團體商號之名義向同一電信事業申請電信服務時該電信事業亦與受限制或停止通知之日其二年內限制其至多申請一門用戶號碼或一項電信服務"},{"start":16464.196,"end":16489.096,"text":"但法人、非法人、團體、商號人有該電信事業提供之其他用戶號碼或電信服務時電信事業於受限制或停止通知之日其二年內不得受理其申請電信事業經司法警察機關通知曾經其他電信事業限制或停止提供電信服務達一定次數之用戶電信事業應將其列為高風險用戶並限制高風險用戶於受通知之日其二年內之多申請一門用戶號碼或一項電信服務"},{"start":16491.078,"end":16507.167,"text":"但該用戶仍有該電信事業提供之其他用戶號碼或電信服務時電信事業於受通知之日其二年內不得受理其申請。請向一定次數由電信主管機關、匯商中央主管機關公告之。台灣民眾黨黨團提案及委員陳亭妃等提案均同行政院提案。"},{"start":16507.927,"end":16522.98,"text":"第24條行政院提案電信事業而下列情形之一者由電信主管期關處新台幣20萬元以上200萬元以下罰還並令其限期改正及其未改正者按次處罰。依違反第19條第一項規定為依指定資料庫輔助核對用戶身份"},{"start":16523.52,"end":16539.69,"text":"二違反第19條第3項所定辦法中有關資料庫查詢作業程序之規定,三違反第20條第1項本文規定提供國際漫遊服務且為依第19條第1項之資料庫查證使用電信人有無入境資料或經查證使用電信人無入境資料而提供國際漫遊服務。"},{"start":16542.159,"end":16562.073,"text":"四、違反第20條第二項規定為定期查詢使用電信人是否出境或違反同條第三項規定為限制或停止提供使用電信人國際漫遊服務五、違反第22條第一項規定為定期查詢非本國籍用戶是否出境或違反同條第二項規定為限制或停止提供已出境之非本國籍用戶預付卡服務"},{"start":16563.013,"end":16585.57,"text":"電信事業有前項各款所定情形之一情節重大者由電信主管機關處新台幣100萬元以上、1000萬元以下罰還並另及限期改正、借其為改正者按次處罰。台灣民眾黨黨團提案及委員陳亭妃等提案均同行政院提案。第27條行政院提案電信事業有下列情形之一者由電信主管機關處新台幣10萬元以上、100萬元以下罰還並另及限期改正、借其為改正者按次處罰。"},{"start":16586.371,"end":16604.758,"text":"一違反第15條第三項規定為核對同條第一項或第二項諸文件與本人或代理人相符或未登錄二違反第16條第二項規定為限制或停止提供用戶相關電信服務三違反第17條第一項規定為限期重新辦理核對或登錄用戶資料四違反第17條第二項規定為限制或停止提供用戶"},{"start":16606.499,"end":16629.156,"text":"該項電信服務五違反第18條第一項規定未限制或停止提供用戶該項電信服務六違反第18條第二項前段規定未限期重新核對或登錄用戶資料七違反第18條第二項後段規定未限制或停止提供用戶其他電信服務八違反第23條第一項本文第二項本文或第三項本文規定與受限制或停止通知之日期二年內"},{"start":16629.716,"end":16652.55,"text":"提供用戶該不同法人、非法人、團體、商號或高風險用戶超過一門用戶號碼或一項電信服務。九、違反第23條第一項單書、第二項單書或第三項單書規定於受限制或停止通知之日其二年內提供用戶該不同法人、非法人、團體、商號或高風險用戶其他用戶號碼或電信服務。電信事業九、有錢銷個款所定情形之一情形重大者。"},{"start":16653.09,"end":16681.549,"text":"由電信主管機關處新台幣50萬元以上500萬元以下罰還並立即限期改正,皆及未改正者按次處罰。台灣民眾黨黨團提案及委員陳亭妃等提案。軍統行政院提案。第26條行政院提案。對電信主管機關一本條例所為之行政處分不符者直接適用行政訴訟程序。台灣民眾黨黨團提案及委員陳亭妃等提案。軍統行政院提案。第三節行政院提案台灣民眾黨黨團提案及委員陳亭妃等提案。結明均為數位經濟防詐措施。第27條"},{"start":16683.25,"end":16706.093,"text":"行政院提案網路廣告平台業者利用網際網路於中華民國領域內提供網路廣告服務且達一定規模者適用本條例之規定,前項一定規模之計算基準由數位經濟相關產業主管機關定之。數位經濟相關產業主管機關應依前項所定計算基準公告服務而一定規模之業者名單並定其前途及事實調整。台灣民眾黨黨團提案及委員陳亭妃等提案軍統行政院提案。"},{"start":16707.074,"end":16729.359,"text":"第28條行政院提案網路廣告平台業者應以適當方式公開揭露下列資訊,亦業者代表人及第29條第1項法律代表之姓名或名稱,二是業所或營業所之地址、電話及電子郵件信箱等得快速直接通訊之聯繫方式,三其他依法規應公開揭露之資訊,台灣民眾黨黨團提案及委員陳亭妃等提案均同行政院提案。"},{"start":16729.939,"end":16744.749,"text":"二十九條行政院提案網路廣告平台業者及其代表人與中華民國無營業所或駐居所且未設立分公司者、網路廣告平台業者應以書面指定中華民國紀念我國國民依法登記之法人或設有代表人或管理人之非法人團體為其法律代表"},{"start":16747.03,"end":16768.609,"text":"並向數位經濟相關產業主管機關提報法律代表之姓名、名稱、住居所、事業所或營業所、電話及電子郵件信箱,前向網路廣告平台業者之業務活動、營業或投資行為,亦其他法律規定需經許可者,並亦予提報法律代表前取得許可。網路廣告平台業者應授以第一項法律代表必要之權限及資源執行下列事項。"},{"start":16771.273,"end":16788.501,"text":"為網路廣告平台業者指定之縱達代收文二告知及協助網路廣告平台業者執行詐欺防制措施之法令遵循。三、其他受網路廣告平台業者委託辦理本條例及其相關法令之遵循。網路廣告平台業者有下列情形之意者數位經濟相關產業主管機關得以適當方式公告其名稱。"},{"start":16789.361,"end":16806.553,"text":"一為依第一項規定指定及提報法律代表二法律代表待遇執行前項第二款告知及協助義務網路廣告平台業者為依第一項規定指定及提報法律代表者數位經濟相關產業主管機關應通知其餘限期內補正台灣民眾黨黨團提案及委員陳亭妃等提案軍統行政院提案"},{"start":16807.313,"end":16827.559,"text":"第三十條行政院提案網路廣告平臺看燈或推播之廣告不得含有涉及詐欺之行為網路廣告平臺業者應建立下列管理措施一、對其網路廣告服務應以數位簽章快速身份識別機制或其他安全性相當之技術或方式驗證委託看播者及出資者之身份二、對其網路廣告服務遭利用為"},{"start":16828.419,"end":16853.306,"text":"《詐欺犯罪之風險》進行分析及評估具以訂定合法、必要且有效之詐欺預防、偵測、辨識及應對之詐欺防制計劃並以適當方式每年發布詐欺防制透明度報告。前項第二款《詐欺防制計劃》應參照數位經濟相關產業主管機關、各目的事業主管機關或各同業工會所發布之疑似詐欺廣告太陽建立防制詐欺風險管理機制並對高風險業務關係者採取必要強化管理措施。"},{"start":16857.816,"end":16881.112,"text":"第二項第一款《適用之技術或方式》第二款《詐欺防制計劃與透明度報告之格式及內容》由數位經濟相關產業主管機關公告之。台灣民眾黨黨團提案具文陳亭妃等提案具統行政院提案。第三十一條行政院提案。網路廣告平台業者與其平台刊登或推播廣告時應用廣告中揭露下列資訊,依標示為廣告之訊息而委託刊播者、出資者相關資訊。"},{"start":16882.313,"end":16910.201,"text":"三、廣告依法續金許可者其許可次號四、廣告使用深度偽造技術或人工智慧生成之個人影像網路廣告平台業者依前條第二項第一款規定驗證委託看播者及出資者之身份且委託看播者及出資者非屬前條第三項之高風險業務關係者前項廣告應揭露資訊得與簡化第一項第二款所稱委託看播者只為推銷商品或提供服務自行或委託他人設計製作發布廣告之法人、非法人、團體或個人"},{"start":16911.621,"end":16939.638,"text":"第一項第四款所稱深度偽造只以電腦合成或其他科技方法製作本人不實之言行並阻使他人誤信為真之技術表現形式。第一項及第二項資訊揭露基準、簡化方式作業程序及其他相關事項之辦法由數位經濟相關產業主管機關定之。台灣民眾黨黨團提案及委員陳亭妃等提案均同行政院提案。第32條行政院提案網路廣告平台業者知悉其刊登或推播之廣告為詐欺廣告或明顯涉及詐欺時應依下列規定辦理。"},{"start":16940.979,"end":16967.859,"text":"一、主動或依司法警察機關、數位經濟相關產業主管機關或各目的事業主管機關之通知期限內以除限制瀏覽、停止播送該廣告或採取其他必要之處置並將該廣告之委託刊播者、出資者等資訊及廣告內涵疑似涉及詐欺之網路通訊軟體帳號、電信號碼等相關資訊提供司法警察機關。二、對刊播詐欺廣告或明顯涉及詐欺廣告之用戶或經司法警察機關通知該用戶為明顯涉及詐欺帳號並令其暫停"},{"start":16969.64,"end":16996.991,"text":"提供服務時與合理期間暫停提供服務。網路廣告平台業者違反前項規定對於因物性廣告內容而受有損害之人應與廣告委託、刊播者、出資者負連帶損害賠償責任。網路廣告平台業者依第一項第二款規定暫停提供服務,應秉持客觀禁止及實質原則審酌決定。第一項第一款之通知期限由數位經濟相關產業主管機關公告之。台灣民眾黨黨團提案及委員陳亭妃等提案均同行政院提案。"},{"start":16997.691,"end":17017.16,"text":"第三十三條行政院提案網路廣告平台業者經目第四頁主管機關或司法警察機關通知其經營之平台所刊登或播送之內容有涉及詐欺犯罪嫌疑情勢者應先行限制接取、瀏覽或移除與詐欺犯罪有關之內容。台灣民眾黨黨團提案及委員陳亭妃等提案均同行政院提案。"},{"start":17018,"end":17040.642,"text":"三十四條第三方致富服務業者對客戶應盡善良管理人之注意義務對疑似涉及詐欺犯罪之客戶應強化確認客戶身份並得採取對客戶身份持續審查延後撥款拒絕建立業務關係或提供服務等控管措施第三方致富服務業者執行前向後段規定作業時得使用聯防系統通知同業業者"},{"start":17042.103,"end":17056.608,"text":"前二項疑似涉及詐欺犯罪之客戶認定基準通知程序項目作業程序及其他相關事項之辦法由數位經濟相關產業主管機關定之。台灣民眾黨黨團提案及委員陳亭妃等提案均同行政院提案。第35條行政院提案"},{"start":17057.088,"end":17083.277,"text":"第三方支付服務業者與依前條第一項後段規定辦理時應保存該客戶確認身份程序所得資料及交易記錄並得向司法警察機關通報司法警察機關接獲通報後與應與合理期間通知第三方支付服務業者就前條第一項後段延後撥款辦理後續控管或解除控管前項資料及交易記錄應自業務關係中止時起至少保存5年但法律另有較長保存期間規定者從其規定"},{"start":17084.838,"end":17101.943,"text":"第一項應保存資料交易記錄之範圍通報司法警察機關之方式程序就延後撥款辦理後續控管解除控管及其他相關事項之辦法由數位經濟相關產業主管機關匯商中央主管機關及法務主管機關定之台灣民眾黨黨團提案及委員陳亭妃等提案均同行政院提案"},{"start":17102.583,"end":17122.664,"text":"第36條行政院提案,電商業者及網路連線遊戲業者對於其服務應盡善良管理人之注意義務,防止服務遭濫用於詐欺犯罪,並得採取向用戶宣導預防詐欺之資訊等合理措施。電商業者及網路連線遊戲業者執行前向合理措施時,得使用聯防系統通知同業業者採取預防。"},{"start":17124.446,"end":17141.694,"text":"主旨或其他合理對應措施避免用戶接觸詐欺資訊電商業者及網路連線遊戲業者經司法警察機關或目的事業主管機關通知其服務有疑似詐欺涉及詐欺犯罪之情勢者應配合司法警察機關或目的事業主管機關辦理並對涉及詐欺犯罪情勢之用戶賬號與合理期間暫停提供服務"},{"start":17147.881,"end":17163.971,"text":"台灣民眾黨黨團提案局委員陳亭妃等提案均同行政院提案。第37條行政院提案網路廣告平台業者、電商業者及網路零線遊戲業者因採可行之技術與合理期間保存電子記錄文書、影像物品用戶註冊及確認身份程序所得資料"},{"start":17164.511,"end":17187.948,"text":"沿線記錄或交易記錄等足以重建使用者及個別交易者有關資料但法律另有較長保存期間規定者從其規定法院檢察署或司法警察機關應調查詐欺犯罪得向網路廣告平台業者、電商業者及網路連線遊戲業者調取前線有關資料該等業者應於收受調取通知之日起3日內提供資料並保存6個月以提供司法警察機關調查發生訴訟時應延長保存至裁判確定後3個月"},{"start":17192.831,"end":17207.102,"text":"臺灣民眾黨黨團提案及委員陳亭妃等提案均統行政院提案第38條行政院提案網路廣告平台業者、第三方支付服務業者、電商業者及網路連線遊戲業者執行本條例規定之防詐措施免除其業務上應保守秘密之義務"},{"start":17208.282,"end":17230.452,"text":"該機構或事業之負責人、董事、經理人及職員一同、網路廣告平台業者、第三方支付服務業者、電商業者及網路連線遊戲業者執行本條例規定之防詐措施或配合司法、檢察機關、數位、經濟、相關產業主管機關、各目的事業主管機關所為之處理致勝損害於用戶或第三人者免負賠償責任。台灣民眾黨黨團提案及委員陳亭妃等提案軍統行政院提案。"},{"start":17231.252,"end":17249.201,"text":"台灣民眾黨黨團提案第39條,汽車貨運業及汽車路線貨運業達一定規模者適用本條例之規定,前項一定規模之計算基準由中央公路主管機關定之。中央公路主管機關依依前項所定計算基準公告符合一定規模之業者名單並定其檢討及事實調整。"},{"start":17250.342,"end":17271.309,"text":"台灣民眾黨黨團提案第40條,汽車貨運業及汽車路線貨運業者承運貨物應負善良管理人責任進行確認托運員身份程序並留存其確認托運員身份程序所得資料。前項確認托運員身份程序所得資料應自業務關係終止時起至少保存二年,但法律另有較長保存期限規定者從其規定。"},{"start":17272.429,"end":17299.954,"text":"第一項確認托運員身份留存確認資料之範圍程序方式有中央公路主管機關定之違反第三項所定辦法者有中央公路主管機關處汽車貨運業及汽車路線貨運業者新台幣5萬元以上30萬元以下罰還並通知限期改正竊其為人為改正者得按次處罰托運員拒絕提供第一項身份資訊者汽車貨運業及汽車路線貨運業者得拒絕承運其貨物有違反第一項及第二項規定者"},{"start":17300.934,"end":17318.987,"text":"有中央公路主管機關處新台幣一萬元以上、一百萬元以上罰款並立即限期改正,竊其未有改正者按次處罰。台灣民眾黨黨團提案第41條,汽車貨運業及汽車路線貨運業者辦理代售貨款業務,售貨人予予詐騙包裹,售貨人予得予收受運送,"},{"start":17320.027,"end":17343.923,"text":"運送物後7日內以退回運送物或書面通知方式解除契約無需說明理由及負擔任何費用或對價但有特殊例外情勢者不在此限第一項單數特殊例外情勢及退款程序由中央公路主管機關定之汽車貨運業及汽車路線貨運業者辦理代收貨款業務為確保售貨人之退款權益得將代收貸付款項之多暫時保留7日"},{"start":17345.504,"end":17369.352,"text":"有違反第一項規定為提供退款服務者由中央公路主管機關處新台幣1萬元以上、100萬元以下罰還並立即限期改正,藉其未改正者按次處罰。第39條行政院提案網路廣告平台業者有下列情形質疑者由數位經濟相關產業主管機關處新台幣50萬元以上、500萬元以下罰還並立即限期改正,藉其未改正者按次處罰。依違反第29條第一項規定"},{"start":17370.852,"end":17391.093,"text":"規定為指定及提報法律代表經一統條第五項規定通知現即補正而皆其為補正。二違反第29條第三項第二款規定法律代表待遇執行告知或協助義務。三違反第32條第一項第一款規定為依司法警察機關、數位經濟相關產業主管機關或各目的事業主管機關致通知其縣內移除。"},{"start":17391.653,"end":17413.796,"text":"限制瀏覽、停止播送該廣告或採取其他必要之處置。四、違反第32條第一項第二款規定為依司法警察機關之通知與合理期間暫停提供服務。有前項第一款所定情形期間重大者由數位經濟相關產業主管機關處新台幣250萬元以上、2500萬元以下罰還並立即限期改正,藉其為改正者按次處罰。"},{"start":17414.657,"end":17427.896,"text":"數位經濟相關產業主管機關並得召集專家審議會議令網際網路接取服務提供者為停止解析或限制接取之處置。有第一項、第二款至第四款所定情形之一,情節重大者由數位經濟相關產業主管機關處新台幣250萬元以上"},{"start":17432.162,"end":17457.956,"text":"二千五百萬元以下罰還並立即限期改正藉其為改正者按次處罰。數位經濟相關產業主管機關並得召集專家審議會議令網際網路接取服務提供者或快速存取服務提供者為適當之流量管理措施。人為改正者得為停止解析或限制接取等必要之處置。請二項所定情節重大之認定基準採行適當流量管理措施停止解析與限制接取之裁量基準。"},{"start":17458.576,"end":17478.202,"text":"專家審議會議之組成任務及其他應遵行事項之辦法,由數位經濟相關產業主管機關、會商中央主管機關定之,網際網路接取服務提供者或快速存取服務提供者,依第二項及第三項規定所為之六項管理措施,停止解析或限制接取之處置之身損害於用戶或第三人者免負賠償責任。"},{"start":17479.662,"end":17506.736,"text":"台灣民眾黨黨團提案第42條同行政院提案委員陳亭妃等提案將罰還金額修正為新台幣100萬元以上、1000萬元以下其餘同行政院提案。第40條行政院提案有下列情形質疑者由數位經濟相關產業主管機關處新台幣20萬元以上、200萬元以下罰還並立即限期改正,藉其為改正者按此處罰。依違反第28條規定未公開揭露或揭露資訊不全"},{"start":17507.156,"end":17531.397,"text":"二、違反第30條第二項第一款規定未驗證委託刊播者或出資者之身份。三、違反第30條第二項第二款規定未訂定詐欺防制計劃或未發布詐欺防制透明度報告。四、刊登或推播廣告時唯一第31條第一項規定揭露資訊。五、違反第32條第一項第一款規定未將委託刊播者、出資者等資訊或未將廣告內容。"},{"start":17532.177,"end":17547.87,"text":"內涵疑似涉及詐欺之網路通訊軟體、帳號、電信號碼等相關資訊提供司法檢察機關。六、違反《數位經濟相關產業主管機關》一前條第二項或第二三項規定所為之命令為採取適當之流量管理措施、停止解析或限制接取之處置。"},{"start":17548.61,"end":17574.127,"text":"有錢箱各款所定情形之一情節重大者由數位經濟相關產業主管機關處新台幣100萬元以上1000萬元以下罰還並令其限期改正且其未改正者按次處罰。台灣民眾黨黨團提案第43條同行政院提案委員陳亭妃等提案將罰還金額修正為新台幣50萬元以上500萬元以下其餘同行政院提案。第41條行政院提案有下列情形之一者由數位經濟相關產業主管機關"},{"start":17576.668,"end":17602.265,"text":"處新台幣10萬元以上、100萬元以下罰還並令其限期改正,借其為改正者按次處罰。一、違反第35條第一項規定為保存資料或交易記錄。二、違反第35條第二項規定為一線保存資料或交易記錄。三、違反第36條第三項規定為對涉及詐欺犯罪情識之用戶帳號與合理期間暫停提供服務。四、違反第37條第二項規定為配合調取通知提供資料。"},{"start":17603.939,"end":17628.019,"text":"有前項各款所定情形之一情節重大者由數位經濟相關產業主管機關主新台幣50萬元以上500萬元以下罰還並立即限期改正藉其未改正者按此處罰。台灣民眾黨黨團提案第44條同行政院提案委員陳亭妃等提案第一項罰還修正為新台幣20萬元以上200萬元以下第二項罰還修正為新台幣100萬元以上1000萬元以下其餘同行政院提案。"},{"start":17628.94,"end":17651.296,"text":"第四十二條行政院提案為處理詐欺犯罪防制緊急案件及時防制民眾接觸詐欺網站各目的事業主管機關及司法警察機關任由及時處置之必要時得令網際網路接取服務提供者為停止解析或限制接取之處置委員陳亭妃等提案及台灣民眾黨黨團提案第四十五條軍統行政院提案"},{"start":17652.959,"end":17669.829,"text":"臺灣民眾黨黨團提案第四節解明金融制裁措施臺灣民眾黨黨團提案第46條行政院應設制裁辦公室並配置專責人力制裁辦公室依職權就任何人團體或組織有以下情勢者進行審議並予以金融制裁依涉嫌犯詐欺"},{"start":17671.758,"end":17689.993,"text":"犯罪經檢警傳喚未到者、二、涉嫌犯詐欺犯罪經法庭傳喚未到者、三、其他涉嫌犯詐欺犯罪中央法務機關提供充分證據制裁辦公室任有必要者,請向詐欺辦公室之組織架構人力分配及制裁辦公室之審議程序由行政院會上相關主管機關後定之。"},{"start":17690.874,"end":17716.189,"text":"台灣民眾黨黨團提案第47條制裁辦公室因每月召開定期會議由行政院及各相關主管機關就涉及詐欺犯罪之案件進行報告並建議制裁手段制裁辦公室得採取採納報告所建議之制裁手段之全部或一部並於決議後列入制裁名單並公告之前項所定制裁名單之公告時生效列入第二項制裁名單者不以該個人、法人、組織或團體在中華民國領域者為限"},{"start":17717.35,"end":17737.479,"text":"臺灣民眾黨黨團提案第48條:「經制裁辦公室決議應列入制裁名單者應受以下制裁。一、受制裁人如具外國國籍應拒絕受制裁者入我國國境,已入境者立即驅逐出境。二、對受制裁者之金融帳戶、虛擬資產帳戶、第三方支付帳戶、通貨或其他支付工具為提款、匯款、轉帳、付款、交付或轉讓。"},{"start":17738.559,"end":17766.396,"text":"三、對受制裁者直接或間接所有達50%以上之財物或財產上利益為遺傳、變更、處分、利用或其他足以變動其數量、品質、價值及所在地。四、任何人不得為受制裁者收集或提供財物或財產上利益。前項規定於第三人受列於制裁名單上之個人、法人或團體組織委任、委託、信託或其他原因而無為其持有或管理之財物或財產上利益一時用之。"},{"start":17767.336,"end":17783.333,"text":"金融機構提供虛擬資產服務之事業或人員及第三方支付服務業者因業務關係之息下列情勢因應之息後24小時內通報司法檢察機關,因其本身持有或管理經指定制裁之個人、法人或團體之財務或財產上利益所在地,"},{"start":17789.68,"end":17809.895,"text":"因前項規定辦理通報者免除其業務上應保守秘密之義務且不受個人資料保護法之限制。第三項通報方式程序及其他應遵行事項之辦法由該機構事業或人員之中央主管機關、會商主管機關及中央銀行定之。其事務涉及司法院者由司法院、會商、行政院定之。"},{"start":17810.635,"end":17824.865,"text":"金融機構提供虛擬資產服務之事業或人員以及第三方支付服務業者違反第一項至第三項規定者由中央主管機關處新台幣200萬元以上、1000萬元以下罰還並限期責令改正皆其為改正者得按次處罰。台灣民眾黨黨團提案第49條"},{"start":17827.307,"end":17854.147,"text":"制裁辦公室經決議得對列入制裁名單者與公告其列入制裁名單時,一併宣布以下許可措施。一、著流經指定制裁之個人或其受撫養親屬家庭生活所必須之財物或財產上利益。二、著流經指定制裁之個人、法人或團體管理財物或財產上利益之必要費用。三、對經指定制裁之個人、法人或團體以外之第三人許可支付受制裁者與受制裁前對善意第三人負擔之債務。"},{"start":17854.987,"end":17870.382,"text":"前向許可措施制裁辦公室應就著流制裁物或財產商利益及必要費用之使用方式範圍額度等項目予以明確規定與公告制裁名單時一併公告。前二項之許可措施制裁辦公室與審議時得請各相關主管機關提供意見。"},{"start":17871.363,"end":17894.398,"text":"受制裁者予受制裁期間並經制裁辦公室決議予以許可措施時予有許可措施實用之情形得向制裁辦公室申請將特定項目納入許可措施範圍制裁辦公室予收受申請之日起15日內應以書面續名理由回覆申請人申請人予收受辦公室回覆後如有不符應於收受之日起7日內向制裁辦公室申付"},{"start":17895.938,"end":17912.143,"text":"審訴。制裁辦公室應於收受審訴之日起7日內再次召開審議會並將制裁辦公室決議結果以書面訊明理由回覆申請人。第四項之申請如今制裁辦公室決議維持原處分或駁回其申訴者不得就同意申請再行申訴違反第二項之規定"},{"start":17913.303,"end":17941.9,"text":"或於製裁期間疑似有詐欺犯罪行為者,製裁辦公室應以致心疑似詐欺犯罪行為24小時內召開審議會,就是否廢止第一項許可措施進行審議,並於審議會結束後24小時內公告決議之結果。第一項許可措施,第二項財務或財產商利益及必要費用之使用方式範圍額度及相關事項之辦法,及第四項、第五項所定之申請程序與審議程序相關事項之辦法,由中央主管機關定之。台灣民眾黨黨團提案第五十條。"},{"start":17943.618,"end":17958.142,"text":"制裁辦公室任有必要時或經各相關主管機關之建議的召集審議會就制裁名單之更新進行審議並於審議會結束後3日內公告更新之制裁名單該名單之公告時生效欲有受制裁之日自然人、死亡、司法人或團體組織解散或消滅時"},{"start":17960.103,"end":17983.515,"text":"制裁辦公室因與窒息情形後24小時內召開審議會並經審議會決議後公告更新之制裁名單該名單自公告時生效受制裁者如不符審議會所公告之決議結果得於制裁名單更新公告之日起15日內向行政院提起申訴行政院收受申訴之日起7日內應制裁辦公室就申訴內容再次進行審議與審議會結束後公告決議結果該結果應於審議會結束後15日內以書面答覆申訴人"},{"start":17989.298,"end":18002.769,"text":"自裁辦公室任有必要時得給予申訴人充分陳述意見及答辯之機會。申訴人如對前項申訴審議結果不符則,應與受受審議結果之日起,"},{"start":18004.208,"end":18031.732,"text":"15日內向行政院提起訴願。受制裁者進行申訴應備之文件申訴審議會召開程序等相關事項之辦法由中央主管機關定之。第三章行政院提案台灣民眾黨團提案及委員陳亭妃等提案章明均為溯源打詐執法。第43條行政院提案犯刑法第339條知識之罪詐欺獲取之財物或財產上利益達新台幣1000萬元者處3年以上10年以下有期徒刑並得"},{"start":18032.892,"end":18049.223,"text":"得併科新台幣3000萬元以下罰金委員陳亭妃等提案前段修正為行為人犯刑法第339條之四之罪詐欺獲取制裁無財產商利益累積達新台幣1000萬元者其餘同行政院提案台灣民眾黨黨團提案第51條同行政院提案"},{"start":18050.023,"end":18068.765,"text":"第44條行政院提案犯刑法第339條之四第一項第二款之罪有下列起刑之一者依該條項規定加重起刑二分之一一並犯同條項第一款第三款或第四款之一二在中華民國領域外以供詐欺犯罪所用之設備對於中華民國領域內之人犯之"},{"start":18069.486,"end":18090.638,"text":"前下加重其刑其最高度及最低度同加之犯第一項之罪及與之有裁判上疑罪關係之違反《洗錢防制法》第14條、第15條之洗錢罪非屬刑事訴訟法第284條之一第一項第一審應行合一審判案件並準又同條第二項規定委員陳亭妃等提案及台灣民眾黨黨團提案第52條軍統行政院提案"},{"start":18093.32,"end":18118.806,"text":"第45條行政院提案法人之代表人、法人或自然人之代理人、受僱人或其他從業人員應執行業務犯詐欺犯罪者處處罰行為人外並對該法人或自然人科以各該條之法規但法人或自然人為被害人或犯罪對犯罪之發生以監督責任或為防止行為者不在此限委員陳亭妃等提案繼台灣民眾黨黨團提案第53條軍統行政院提案"},{"start":18121.767,"end":18149.133,"text":"台灣民眾黨黨團提案第54條犯詐欺犯罪經有罪判罪確定與金融機構提供虛擬資產服務之事業及人員及第三方支付服務業者開立資存款帳戶信用卡或虛擬資產帳號電子支付帳戶或其他金融帳戶應與採取限制提領匯出款項或虛擬資產暫停部分交易功能管控信用卡帳戶交易功能或禁止進行非面對面交易等管控措施管控零限自由罪判決確定日期算10年"},{"start":18149.833,"end":18174.127,"text":"前向鎖定管控措施之項目、管控之標準、作業程序及其他應遵行實相之辦法的正向金融主管機關定制。第46條行政院提案:「犯詐欺犯罪與犯罪後自首如有犯罪所得、自動繳交其犯罪所得者,減輕或免除其薪。」並因而使司法警察機關或檢察官得以控押全部犯罪所得或查或發起、主持、操縱或指揮詐欺犯罪組織之人者免除其薪。"},{"start":18174.767,"end":18195.218,"text":"委員陳亭妃等提案減輕或免除其刑及免除其刑分別修正為得減輕或免除其刑及得免除其刑其餘通行政院提案。台灣民眾黨黨團提案第55條通行政院提案。第47條行政院提案犯詐欺犯罪在偵查及立制審判中均自白如有犯罪所得自動繳交其犯罪所得者減輕其刑。"},{"start":18196.218,"end":18216.961,"text":"並以而使司法警察機關或檢察官對已扣押全部犯罪所得或查獲發起主持操縱或指揮詐欺犯罪組織之人者檢清或免處其刑。委員陳亭妃等提案檢清其刑及檢清或免處其刑分別修正文得檢清其刑及得檢清或免處其刑其餘通行政院提案。台灣民眾黨黨團提案第56條通行政院提案。"},{"start":18217.662,"end":18232.87,"text":"第48條行政院提案犯詐欺犯罪其公犯罪所用之物不問屬於犯罪行為人與否均沒收之犯詐欺犯罪有事時足以證明行為人所得支配之前項規定以外之財物或產產商利益系取自其他違法行為所得之沒收之"},{"start":18233.55,"end":18261.499,"text":"委員陳亭妃等提案及台灣民眾黨黨團提案第57條均同行政院提案。第49條行政院提案犯詐欺犯罪受徒刑之執行而有峻毀時拒者,有其徒刑逾三分之二、累犯逾四分之三,由監獄報請法務部得須假釋出獄,但有下列情形之一者不得假釋,亦有其徒刑執行未滿六個月。二、犯詐欺犯罪之累犯於假釋期間受徒刑之執行完畢或一步之執行而赦免後五年以內再犯詐欺犯罪。"},{"start":18262.239,"end":18276.048,"text":"審查委員陳亭妃等提案第49條,犯詐欺犯罪受徒刑之執行而有峻毀實據者有其徒刑逾三分之二由監獄報警法務部得須假釋出獄但有其徒刑執行未滿6個月者不得假釋。台灣民眾黨黨團提案第58條同行政院提案。"},{"start":18279.182,"end":18299.841,"text":"五十條行政院提案警察官提起公訴任有必要時得與起訴書記載對被告刻行犯違之意見必須明理由委員陳亭妃等提案及台灣民眾黨黨團提案第五十九條均同行政院提案第四章行政院提案台灣民眾黨黨團提案及委員陳亭妃等提案章敏均為詐欺犯罪被害人保護"},{"start":18303.373,"end":18323.494,"text":"51條行政院提案中央主管機關應設置24小時檢舉通報窗口、線上檢舉平台或報案專線提供詐騙問題諮詢及通報或轉接相關機關購貨團體提供心理諮商等必要之協助委員陳亭妃等提案及台灣民眾黨黨團提案第60條均同行政院提案第52條行政院提案司法人員、司法警察官"},{"start":18324.235,"end":18340.867,"text":"司法警察官於執行職務時發現詐欺犯罪被害人符合法律輔助所定申請要件時應告知其得依法提出申請並給予必要之協助。委員陳亭妃等提案及台灣民眾黨黨團提案第61條均同行政院提案。第53條行政院提案"},{"start":18341.487,"end":18366.512,"text":"檢察官或法院於偵查或審判中得運用調解和解程序促使被告支付一定數額之賠償與詐欺犯罪被害人。對於未賠償被害人者檢察官得促請法院審酌量刑,必要時應提起上訴。檢察官與詐欺犯罪案件為緩起訴處分時,以優先命被告向被害人支付相當數額之財產或非財產上之損害賠償。委員陳亭妃等提案及台灣民眾黨黨團提案第62條軍統行政院提案。"},{"start":18369.273,"end":18374.561,"text":"五十四條行政院提案:「詐欺犯罪被害人依民事訴訟程序向依法應付賠償責任"},{"start":18377.379,"end":18401.552,"text":"責任人起訴請求損害、賠償或提起上訴時暫免繳納訴訟費用與申請強制執行時並暫免繳納執行費。前項訴訟詐欺犯罪變害人為保權強制執行而申請假扣押或假處分者。法院依民事訴訟法所命公知擔保不得高於請求標的金額或價額至十分之一。法院依申請獲益職權宣告假執行所命公知擔保準用前條規定。"},{"start":18402.512,"end":18429.87,"text":"委員陳亭妃等提案及台灣民眾黨黨團提案第63條軍統行政院提案。第55條行政院提案:「詐欺犯罪被害人提起民事訴訟所主張之主要攻擊或防禦方法相同者,得由其中選定一人或數人為選定人或及被選定人全體起訴或被訴,前向選定當事人之事項準用民事訴訟法關於選定當事人之規定。」委員陳亭妃等提案及台灣民眾黨黨團提案第64條軍統行政院提案。"},{"start":18432.632,"end":18459.374,"text":"第五章行政院提案委員陳亭妃等提案及台灣民眾黨黨團提案章敏均為負責。第五十六條行政院提案防制詐欺犯罪有功人員應與獎勵監獄人與詐欺犯罪未發絕前監獄且經法院判決有罪者一同前項獎勵和給之對象類別條件及程序等有關事項之辦法由中央主管機關擬定報請行政院和定之。委員陳亭妃等提案及台灣民眾黨黨團提案第六十五條軍統行政院提案。"},{"start":18460.214,"end":18476.554,"text":"五十七條行政院提案網路廣告平台業者為議第29條第一項規定指定及提報法律代表者一本條例對該業者所為文書之送達以公告代之自公告之次日起發生效力並看登政府公報及與機關網站公開"},{"start":18478.576,"end":18494.509,"text":"委員陳亭妃等提案及台灣民眾黨黨團提案第66條軍統行政院提案台灣民眾黨黨團提案第67條本條例第46條所定之制裁辦公室因應本條例施行後每6個月就制裁辦公室之運作成效向立法院提交報告"},{"start":18495.29,"end":18523.447,"text":"立法院應於本條例施行之日起每二年就是否維持制裁辦公室之設立進行審議。前項所定之審議其程序如下。一、制裁辦公室應向立法院提出二年度工作報告。立法院應於收受工作報告後一個月內將工作報告交付委員會審議。委員會於審議完成後七日內擬具審查報告送交立法院院會。三、立法院院會應於收受委員會審查報告後七日內召開院會針對是否維持制裁辦公室之設立予以表決。"},{"start":18524.427,"end":18539.875,"text":"經全體立法委員二分之一以上同意時制裁辦公室的延長設立二年制裁辦公室若經立法院決議停止設立則應於立法院決議後三個月內解散其所公布之制裁名單自解散之日起施其效力。第五十八條行政院提案"},{"start":18540.495,"end":18560.621,"text":"本條例除第19條、第20條、第22條、第24條、第39條、第2項至第5項有關流量管理措施停止解析與限制接取處置部分及第40條第1項第6款至施行日期由行政院定之外自公布而施行。委員陳亭妃等提案及台灣民眾黨黨團提案第68條均同行政院提案。"},{"start":18562.952,"end":18591.233,"text":"修正動議一第15條第一項修正為申請電信服務應出示申請人本人身份證明文件第三項後段增加電信事業評估申請人或代理人之一有從事詐欺犯罪之餘得晚拒其申請其餘同行政院提案第二十條第一項後段增加並經電信主管機關同意其餘同行政院提案"},{"start":18594.496,"end":18607.167,"text":"三十條,第二項第一款增加一驗證之標準,第四項前段增加驗證之標準,"},{"start":18608.652,"end":18626.732,"text":"其餘同行政院提案第31條第一項第4款後段增加或聲音第二項後段增加但不包含第4款使用深度偽造技術或人工智慧生成之個人影像或聲音之揭露其餘同行政院提案"},{"start":18628.173,"end":18652.577,"text":"三十二條第三項後段增加並得設立受信任舉報者機制賦予處理其舉報內容之優先權其與同行政院提案第三十三條將先行文字修正為於通知期限內其與同行政院提案"},{"start":18653.72,"end":18673.028,"text":"第三十七條第二項後段增加網路平台業者依第三十二條第一項第一款主動依出限制瀏覽停止播送者亦同其與同行政院提案提案人委員蘇巧慧等三人修正動議二第十三條"},{"start":18674.795,"end":18699.246,"text":"第一項罰還修正為新台幣50萬元以上、500萬元以下第二項罰還修正為新台幣250萬元以上、2500萬元以下其餘同行行政院提案第二十三條第一項、第二項第一項、第二項之兩年內的文字修正為三年內"},{"start":18702.25,"end":18710.498,"text":"其餘同行政院提案。第24條第一項罰還修正為50萬元以上、500萬元以下。第二項罰還修正為250萬元以上、2500萬元以下。其餘同行政院提案。第25條第一項罰還修正為20萬元以上、200萬元以下。"},{"start":18727.489,"end":18744.392,"text":"第一項第八款、第九款的二年內修正為二年或三年內其餘同行政院提案。第39條第一項罰款修正為一百萬元以上、一千萬元以下。"},{"start":18745.649,"end":18757.254,"text":"第二項罰還修正為一千萬元以上、一億元以下第三項罰還修正為五百萬元以上、五千萬元以下其餘同行政院提案"},{"start":18759.175,"end":18772.523,"text":"第40條第一項罰還修正為50萬元以上500萬元以下第二項罰還修正為250萬元以上2500萬元以下其餘同行政院提案第41條第一項罰還修正為20萬元以上200萬元以下第二項罰還修正為100萬元以上1000萬元以下其餘同行政院提案"},{"start":18786.511,"end":18813.013,"text":"第43條犯刑法第339條之四之罪詐欺獲取之財物或財產上利益達新台幣500萬元者除5年以上12年以下有期徒刑得併科新台幣5000萬元以下罰金。第50條前段增加詐欺犯罪之文字其餘同行政院提案提案人委員王美惠等3人。"},{"start":18814.409,"end":18828.083,"text":"修正動議三、第十一條第二項增加若僅有一名被害人則全額發還若有多名被害人則按比例發還被害人其餘同行政院提案。第十三條"},{"start":18831.26,"end":18859.627,"text":"增加第三項前項請結重大認定基準由金融主管機關匯商中央主管機關定之其餘同行政院提案第二十條增加第五項定期事業違反第一項至第三項規定對於因誤信通話內容而受由損害之人應付連帶損害賠償責任其餘同行政院提案第二十四條第一項第五款後段刪除"},{"start":18862.265,"end":18876.93,"text":"電信事業有下列情形之一者由電信主管機關處新台幣40萬元以上、400萬元以下罰還並立即限其改正、藉其為改正者按次處罰。依違反第20條第一項規定經查證使用電信人無入境資料而提供國際漫遊服務。"},{"start":18878.59,"end":18905.1,"text":"二違反第20條第3項規定未限制或停止提供使用電信人國際漫遊服務,三違反第22條第2項規定未限制或停止提供已出境之非本國籍用戶預付卡服務,第二項一列第3項並著作文字修正,增加第4項前項情節重大認定基準由電信主管機關會商中央主管機關定之,其與同行政院提案。第25條"},{"start":18907.608,"end":18931.901,"text":"第一項、第二項同行政院提案,增加第三項前項情節重大認定基準,由電信主管機關、匯商中央主管機關定之。第30條第二項、第二款之網路廣告服務修正為刊登或播送之內容。"},{"start":18933.766,"end":18949.071,"text":"第40條其餘同行政院提案第40條增加第三項前項情節重大認定基準由數位經濟相關產業主管機關會商中央主管機關定之其餘同行政院提案第52條"},{"start":18952.093,"end":18975.452,"text":"第一項同行政院提案,第二﹐增加第二項前向人員於執行職務時應會同社會福利主管機關建立個案通報機制。黨知悉有社會救助需要之個人或家庭應通報指轄市縣市社會福利主管機關,協助其獲得社會救助法所定社會救助。其餘﹐提案人委員黃婕等3人。"},{"start":18978.351,"end":19007.147,"text":"修正動議四,第一項同行政院提案,增加第二至六項,因犯罪獲取,犯刑法第339條之四各款之罪,因犯罪獲取之財物或財產傷弊已達新台幣一億元者,除五年以上、十二年以下由期徒刑,得併科新台幣三億元以下罰金。犯刑二項之罪有下列情形之一者,依該項規定加重其刑二分之一,"},{"start":19007.887,"end":19022.395,"text":"一並犯刑法第339條之四第一項其他各款之一二在中華民國領域外以供詐欺犯罪所用之設備對中華民國領域內之人犯之。前下加重其刑期最高度及最低度同加之。"},{"start":19023.476,"end":19042.733,"text":"犯第一項之罪兵犯組織犯罪防制條例第三條第一項後段之罪者處五年以上有期徒刑得併科新台幣五千萬元以下罰金犯第二項之罪兵犯組織犯罪防制條例第三條第一項前段之罪者處十年以上有期徒刑得併科新台幣五億元以下罰金"},{"start":19043.914,"end":19057.892,"text":"第44條第一項序文第二款修正為各款第一項第一款修正為並犯刑法第339條之四第一項其他各款之一增加第三項"},{"start":19059.013,"end":19085.61,"text":"及第四項犯刑法第339條之四第一項各款之罪並犯組織犯罪防制條例第三條第一項後段之罪者處五年以上十年二年以下有期徒刑得併科新台幣三千萬元以下罰金犯刑法第339條之四第一項各款之罪並犯組織犯罪防制條例第三條第一項前段之罪者處七年以上有期徒刑得併科新台幣一億元以下罰金"},{"start":19086.71,"end":19112.615,"text":"原第3項一列第5項並著作文字修正提案人委員麥玉珍等3人修正動議5增訂第4條行政院為執行防制打擊詐欺犯罪應涉中央詐欺犯罪防制匯報中央詐欺犯罪防制匯報致召集人一人由行政院院長或副院長兼任委員若干人由行政院院長就政務委員有關機關首長及具有詐欺犯罪"},{"start":19113.215,"end":19142.33,"text":"防制經驗之專家學者派監或聘監之。中央詐欺犯罪防制匯報每年至少開會一次。第一項詐欺犯罪防制匯報決議之事項各相關部會應落實執行。行政院應每季追蹤管考對外公告並納入每年向立法院提出之施政方針及施政報告。第一項之詐欺犯罪防制匯報之組成任務、議事程序及其他應遵行事項由行政院定之。提案人委員徐新穎等5人。"},{"start":19143.672,"end":19171.914,"text":"修正動議六第一條將詐騙修正為詐欺犯罪其餘同行政院提案第二條增加第四款提供數位簽章產品服務之事業或人員只提供應具有數位簽章而使產品增加價值的憑證機構事業或人員原第四款至第八款款次第一第三條"},{"start":19173.854,"end":19202.083,"text":"第二項宣導措施後增加及管理辦法其餘同行政院提案第四條第一項第一二款之詐欺修正為詐欺犯罪其餘同行政院提案第五條產業修正為產業界其餘同行政院提案第六條第八款文字修正為第九款其餘同行政院提案"},{"start":19203.737,"end":19226.836,"text":"審定第7條提供虛擬資產服務之事業及提供數位簽章產品服務之事業於中華民國領域內提供服務者適用本條例之規定提供虛擬資產服務之事業及提供數位簽章產品服務之事業及其代表人與中華民國無營業所或駐居所且未設立分公司者提供虛擬資產服務之事業及提供數位簽章產品服務之事業"},{"start":19227.957,"end":19245.067,"text":"應以書面指定中華民國紀念我國國民依法登記之法人或設有代表人或管理人之非法人團體為其法律代表並向虛擬資產或數位簽章產品之主管機關提報法律代表之姓名、名稱、住居所、事務所或營業所"},{"start":19246.868,"end":19270.397,"text":"電話及電子郵件信箱前向提供虛擬資產服務之事業及提供數位簽章產品服務之事業及業務之業務活動營業或投資行為依其他法律規定需經許可者並予以提報法律代表前取得許可提供虛擬資產服務之事業及提供數位簽章產品服務之事業應授予第一項法律代表必要之權限及資源執行下列事項"},{"start":19271.533,"end":19294.826,"text":"一、為提供虛擬資產服務之事業及提供數位簽章產品服務之事業指定之送達代理代收人二、高知及協助提供虛擬資產服務之事業及提供數位簽章產品服務之事業執行詐欺防制措施之法令遵循三、其他受提供虛擬資產服務之事業及提供數位簽章產品服務之事業委託辦理本條例及其相關法令之遵循"},{"start":19295.626,"end":19303.547,"text":"提供虛擬資產服務之事業及提供數月清章產品服務之事業有下列情形之一者相關產業主管機關得以適當方式公告其名稱。"},{"start":19305.678,"end":19331.009,"text":"一為依第一項規定指定及提報法律代表二法律代表待遇執行前項第二款告知及協助義務提供虛擬資產服務之事業及提供數位簽章產品服務之事業為依第二項規定指定及提報法律代表者相關產業主管機關應通知其餘限期內補正提供虛擬資產服務之事業及提供數位簽章產品服務之事業為依本條規定執行由相關主管機關比照第40條規定辦理"},{"start":19334.33,"end":19358.279,"text":"八條前段增加提供虛擬資產服務知識業或人員及提供數位簽章產品服務知識業或人員後段增加數位產品簽章買賣帳戶其餘同行政院提案第七條第九條第一項增加提供數位簽章產品服務知識業或人員對數位簽章產品第二項增加提供"},{"start":19360.745,"end":19383.954,"text":"第二項及第三項增加及提供數位簽章服務產品服務之事業或人員及數位簽章產品買賣帳戶其餘同行政院提案第八條。第十條第一項增加及提供數位簽章產品服務之事業或人員第一項及第三項增加數位簽章產品買賣帳戶其餘同行政院提案第九條。"},{"start":19385.054,"end":19406.786,"text":"第11條第一項及第二項增加提供數位簽章產品服務之事業或人員第一項及第三項增加數位簽章產品其餘同行政院提案第10條第12條第一項增加提供數位簽章產品服務之事業及或人員第一項及第二項增加數位簽章產品"},{"start":19408.519,"end":19425.847,"text":"其餘同行政院提案第10條,第13條,增加提供數位簽章產品服務之事業或人員,其餘同行政院提案第11條,第14條,增加提供數位簽章產品服務之事業或人員,其餘同行政院提案第12條,"},{"start":19428.325,"end":19443.632,"text":"第15條同行政院提案第14條,第16條同行政院提案第15條,第17條同行政院提案第16條,第18條同行政院提案第17條,第19條同行政院提案第18條,第20條同行政院提案第19條並著作文字修正,第21條同行政院提案第20條,第22條同行政院提案,"},{"start":19452.106,"end":19479.702,"text":"二十一條、第二十三條同行政院提案第二十二條、第二十四條同行政院提案第二十三條並著作文字修正、第二十五條第一項罰緩修正為新台幣五十萬元以上、三百萬元以下第二項罰緩修正為新台幣一百萬元以上、二千萬元以下後段增加並會商電信主管機關禁止其合併頻率其餘同行政院提案第二十四條第二十六條第一項罰緩修正為"},{"start":19482.065,"end":19501.519,"text":"新台幣20萬元以上、200萬元以下第二項法緩修正為新台幣100萬元以上、1000萬元以下後段增加並匯商電信主管機關禁止其核配頻率其餘同行政院提案第25條第27條同行政院提案第26條第28條同行政院提案第27條第29條同行政院提案第28條第30條同行政院提案第29條"},{"start":19508.124,"end":19512.737,"text":"第31條同行政院提案第30條,第32條同行政院提案第31條,第33條同行政院提案第32條。"},{"start":19518.052,"end":19544.523,"text":"第34條至第39條同行政院提案至第33條至第38條第40條第一項罰還修正為新台幣100萬元以上、1000萬元以下第二項罰還修正為新台幣500萬元以上、5000萬元以下第三項罰還修正為新台幣500萬元以上、5000萬元以下其餘同行政院提案第39條"},{"start":19546.724,"end":19564.693,"text":"第41條同行政院提案第40條並著作文字修正。第42條第一項罰還修正為新台幣20萬元以上、200萬元以下。第二項罰還修正為新台幣100萬元以上、1000萬元以下。其餘同行政院提案第41條。第42條至第"},{"start":19571.974,"end":19597.908,"text":"五十六條同行政院提案之第四十……第四十三條至五十六條同行政院提案之第四十二條至第五十五條。第五十七條同行政院提案第五十六條。第五十八條前段增加提供虛擬資產服務之事業及提供數位簽章產品服務之事業為依第七條第二項規定指定及提報法律代表者。"},{"start":19600.327,"end":19622.342,"text":"其餘同行政院提案第57條、第59條、同行政院提案第58條並著作文字修正。提案人委員徐允貞等3人。修正動議期第一條詐騙文字修正為詐欺。其餘同行政院提案第三條第三項前段增加"},{"start":19623.615,"end":19651.222,"text":"前上各款事項之中央目的事業主管機關認定有異議者由行政院指定目的事業主管機關其餘同行政院提案。第二十條第一項修正為非經使用電信人向電信事業領貴提示身份證明文件公核對及登錄電信事業不得提供境外高風險電信事業提供之全部或一部國際漫遊服務。第二項第三項後段增加"},{"start":19652.861,"end":19681.741,"text":"或預期停留或拘留其餘同行政院提案第22條第一項及第二項增加或預期停留或拘留其餘同行政院提案第24條第一項第四款第五款增加或預期停留或拘留其餘同行政院提案第44條第一項第二款增加在中華民國領域外其餘同行政院提案"},{"start":19682.661,"end":19707.521,"text":"49條第49條前增加病經技能訓練檢定成績合格其餘同行政院提案第51條同行政院提案第52條"},{"start":19710.882,"end":19737.629,"text":"第一項增加或犯罪被害人權益保障法所定申請或保護要件其餘同行政院提案第52條增加第二項前項人員於執行職務時應會同社會福利主管機關建立個案通報機制。黨知悉有社會救助需要之個人或家庭應通報指轄市縣市社會福利主管機關協助其獲得社會救助法所定社會救助。"},{"start":19741.428,"end":19763.614,"text":"提案人委員牛許廷等6人修正動議第8條第三項後段修正為管控之基準期間救濟程序其餘同行政院提案提案人委員王美惠等委員麥玉珍等4人"},{"start":19764.921,"end":19784.118,"text":"修正動議九、第一項後段修正為:「金融機構任有必要者應向中央金融主管機關通報。」新增第二項文字為:「中央金融主管機關接貨前項通報後應將疑似涉及詐欺犯罪之賬戶及賬戶持有人提報制裁辦公室審議。」"},{"start":19785.543,"end":19812.09,"text":"第四項文字為第一項至第三項之一、四涉及詐欺犯罪之異常存款、帳戶、電子支付、帳戶信用卡或虛擬資產、帳號認定基準、照會程序與項目作業程序、通報程序與項目及其他依遵行事項之辦法,由中央金融主管機關定之。其餘同行政院提案,提案人委員王美惠等、委員蔓韻珍等4人,"},{"start":19813.348,"end":19833.243,"text":"修正動議時第50條第6項文字修正為申訴人如對前項申訴審議結果不符者應於收受審議結果之日起30日內向行政院提起訴願提案人委員麥玉珍等4人"},{"start":19842.267,"end":19869.685,"text":"宗教團體與自然人民益登記不動產處理戰刑條例第五條條文委員張家俊等21人委員吳祁寧等19人提案繼委員陳亭妃等19人提案將施行之日起二年內修正為四年內其餘同現行法委員王美惠等17人提案第一項二年內修正為一定期間期限內其餘同現行條文"},{"start":19873.708,"end":19893.055,"text":"前項所稱一定期限授權內政部定之五言零代話等18人提案二年內修正為七年內其餘同現行條文修正動議第五條本條例施行之日起"},{"start":19897.647,"end":19910.051,"text":"宗教團體得救前條第一項不動產育本條例施行日期五年內向主管機關申請權利歸屬審任,欲其不予受理。提案人委員徐宇貞等4人。宣讀完畢。好,謝謝。報告各位委員。"},{"start":19926.188,"end":19955.056,"text":"現在我們先審查宗教團體自然人名義登記不動產處理暫行條例第五條條文修訂草案、計五案。好。我們現在有修正動議一案。現在請問各位委員。好。那我們有修正動議一案。請各位委員參列一下。"},{"start":19961.324,"end":19963.566,"text":"有無意見?請內政部說明。"},{"start":19975.373,"end":19978.975,"text":"中教師師長跟部長回答一下吧"},{"start":20004.832,"end":20013.117,"text":"二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、"},{"start":20014.181,"end":20018.383,"text":"主席。來,王美慧。主席,現在保證說的就是我們本來兩年。再延長兩年。對。對。對。對。對。對。對。對。對。對。對。對。對。對。對。對。對。對。對。對。對。對。對。對。對。對。對。對。對。對。對。對。對。對。對。對。對。對。對。對。對。對。對。對。對。對。對。對。對。對。對。對。對。對。對。對。對。對。對。對。對。對。對。對。對。對。對。對。對。對。對。對。對。對。對。對。對。對。對。對。對。對。對。對。對。對。對。對。對。對。對。對。對。對。對"},{"start":20041.716,"end":20051.985,"text":"審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具、「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案案案案案案案案案案案"},{"start":20064.485,"end":20074.073,"text":"三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、九、十、九、十、十、九、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、"},{"start":20082.892,"end":20082.932,"text":"財務局局長"},{"start":20101.187,"end":20120.183,"text":"六百多家已經完成了這個審任登記了或者不管是更名或是限制登記都已經做了那我們當然現在會有說時間來不及的部分我們當然也考慮到說給他適度延長尤其是我們是擔心的是說如果時間拉長然後他們又到最後才來申請一定又不夠"},{"start":20120.823,"end":20120.843,"text":"第2、3、4、5、6、7、8、9、10、11、12、12、13、14、15、16、17、18、19、20、21、22、23、24、25、26、27、28、29、30、31、32、33、34、35、36、37、38、40、40、41、42、43、44、45、46、47、48、49、49、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50"},{"start":20140.132,"end":20157.468,"text":"貼明登記的問題,所以我們會催促,而且我們也跟地方政府不斷在聯繫,請他們逐一,他們其實有在逐一在跟這個中央團體聯繫,那這邊當然有700多家,他們聯繫不當然也就沒辦法了,是這樣的一個情況。不是,現在我要跟你請教的是說,現在登記之後,到目前為止,你們兩位可以登記,不然登記還要有多少天啊?"},{"start":20166.496,"end":20175.761,"text":"你覺得說700多間就沒有辦法聯繫的跟這700多間有可能...大概我們在估最多也不會超過300家啦"},{"start":20178.169,"end":20201.613,"text":"審部長為此定義有六百多間﹑還有差不多三百間還沒定義的。應該是我們大概估他會不會超過三百家啦。不會超過三百家。是是。我們兩黨來有辦法,這個你超過這三百間你有沒有辦法聯絡到。在台英的政府有沒有辦法聯絡啊。他們都逐一在聯繫、逐一在處理。是這樣一個情況。好,謝謝。"},{"start":20210.001,"end":20217.369,"text":"二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、"},{"start":20229.436,"end":20244.492,"text":"懸條文規定是兩年嘛,那我們再延長兩年嘛,就四年嘛。大家有沒有意見?報告昭文,那個在條文裡面吼,恐怕就是那個剛剛那個幹事所說的吼,就是你把二改成四。是啦,好。"},{"start":20251.318,"end":20258.366,"text":"請問各位委員就照剛才協商結論通過大家有沒有意見沒有意見我們就照條文通過"},{"start":20266.837,"end":20291.608,"text":"好,那我們做一下決議吼,討論事項,宗教團體自然人名義登記不動產處理再行條例第五條條文修訂草案等五案,以併案審查完盡,擬具審查報告提包院會討論。請問在場委員需不需要經過黨團協商?不用。不用吼,好。"},{"start":20293.45,"end":20301.276,"text":"不須經黨團協商本案與縣委討論時有本席吳昭吉委員其名做補充說明。我們現在審查《詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案》等三案。"},{"start":20320.751,"end":20342.842,"text":"本席宣告為使討論計較本次會議進行主條討論時如有行政院版就以行政院版作為基準對照委員之修法提案來進行每條條文如有委員提案後修正動議"},{"start":20344.323,"end":20350.634,"text":"先分別請委員表示意見後再由行政單位一併的回覆說明。"},{"start":20355.607,"end":20383.674,"text":"我們現在進行主條討論先處理法案名稱及第一章的章名本案法案的名稱第一章的章名行政院及各黨團委員所提均與相同作以下決議法案名稱及第一章章名照行政院提案通過"},{"start":20384.977,"end":20390.46,"text":"一條條文有修正動議。我們修正動議有徐宇貞委員在第30頁"},{"start":20408.032,"end":20421.475,"text":"二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、"},{"start":20433.601,"end":20439.766,"text":"審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具:「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案 案 案 案 案 案 案 案 案 案 案 案"},{"start":20480.196,"end":20483.346,"text":"審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具:「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案案件、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件、"},{"start":20491.545,"end":20515.82,"text":"好 針對第一條 修憤動議我們劉新平委員要不要做聲明好 謝謝這就單純用於統一啦因為法案名稱叫《詐欺犯罪危害防制條例》嘛那這個就把它改成打擊詐欺危害嘛就用於一致可能比較合理一點就這樣好 謝謝好 謝謝那我們行政單位要不要做補充好"},{"start":20519.755,"end":20525.918,"text":"好 那沒有意見我們第一條就照行政院版本通過啊不是 幹嘛不改?"},{"start":20525.918,"end":20529.539,"text":"啊?"},{"start":20529.539,"end":20545.525,"text":"他們沒有意見就改啊 改到下期啊 應該沒問題吧那行政大會有沒有意見?你們都不講牛新庭委員的提案還有習以珍委員的提案就文字修改 有沒有意見?你們到底"},{"start":20552.761,"end":20566.409,"text":"審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具:「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案件、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案件、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案件、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案件、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案件、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案件、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案件、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案件、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案件、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草"},{"start":20578.993,"end":20579.093,"text":"審查委員"},{"start":20599.468,"end":20600.608,"text":"審訊委員審訊委員審訊委員審訊委員審訊委員審訊委員審訊委員"},{"start":20627.145,"end":20654.682,"text":"好,那我們繼續進行第二條條文好,第二條有我們徐以貞委員的修正動議在第31頁好,那徐以貞委員不在場我們就暫不處理好不好好,那第二條大家還有沒有意見好,沒有意見就照行政院版通過,好謝謝"},{"start":20658.442,"end":20686.197,"text":"三條好那在接下來我們就處理第三條第三條有徐以貞委員還有牛刑庭委員修正的修正動議來來我們現在放開31月以及我們牛刑庭的54月"},{"start":20690.287,"end":20692.538,"text":"二、三、四、五、六、七、"},{"start":20694.161,"end":20720.536,"text":"好 謝謝沒有這個是因為這個法案牽涉到的機關很多啦那常常這個跨部會聯繫的時候會有困難所以乾脆在法條裡面明定就是說如果這個業務範圍有重疊或是有疑義者就由行政院來直接裁就說這個判要判給誰把他寫清楚來有憑有據啦這樣才不會到最後推來推去然後讓這個法案沒有辦法處理以上好 謝謝我們牛欣廷委員來我們請行政單位來做說明好不好"},{"start":20727.258,"end":20752.557,"text":"主席和委員報告我們建議還是維持院版的因為當初在我們行政團隊在討論的時候我們會建議說這樣子的話整個範圍跟面向都已經足夠了那而且有特別有在總部法律裡面有11個那個執法的配套措施說未來是可以涵蓋到所需要的範圍以上說明好謝謝來我們牛先平委員現在單位的答案"},{"start":20754.008,"end":20766.908,"text":"不過我是覺得還是有必要講清楚因為其實法條上都是這樣你要實際上執行之後到最後還是會出現很多這個怪異漏案的狀況嘛所以我是覺得如果寫清楚沒有影響的話應該是寫清楚比較好啦"},{"start":20772.937,"end":20798.503,"text":"另外就是說以後萬一有新型態就這種東西你修可能用一段時間之後又有新型態的狀況出來的時候是不是變成說新型態狀況出來的時候在修訂之前是不是會出現所謂的空窗期嘛所以說我覺得加這個其實是讓行政機關比較好處理啦所以我是覺得我加一下還是比較好好各位委員還有沒有意見"},{"start":20800.263,"end":20814.802,"text":"張宏祿委員我是覺得啦齁其實不用在我們母法裡面啦齁其實也不用寫到那麼的細還把管理辦法寫進去他本來就要立執法了嘛"},{"start":20815.302,"end":20843.624,"text":"那而且我們就現有的這個不管是民眾黨團或是陳亭妃行政院版他們的第三條其實都一樣啊那我就覺得其實也不用特別修改啊好 謝謝各位委員還沒意見"},{"start":20846.392,"end":20872.533,"text":"行政單位針對牛新庭委員駕駐的字跡有沒有意見?是不是?那牛新庭委員是不是照我們行政院辦的?好啦,那我就成全了。OK啦,好,謝謝。那我們就第三條就照我們行政院辦的條文通過。"},{"start":20876.308,"end":20898.714,"text":"好,那我們現在繼續進行第四條條文。沒有,剛剛沒有改的第四條就不需要改啦。好,那我們第四條條文其實委員有提案,但是人不帶我們都不處理好不好。好,那第四條條文我們就照行政院版通過。欸不對不對,我新訂第四條啊。"},{"start":20900.957,"end":20928.252,"text":"還沒有還沒有好那第四條我們就照行政院版通過好那我們現在就新增了第四條的修正動議我們許新宇委員我們放開第29月29月大家看一下好先請我們許新宇委員好"},{"start":20928.852,"end":20945.006,"text":"審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具:「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案 案件 、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案 、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案 、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案 、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案 、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案 、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案 、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案 、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案 、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案 、詐欺犯罪危害防制條"},{"start":20946.867,"end":20961.276,"text":"我們這個條例草案我們希望可以新增第4條讓行政院能夠來執行防制打擊詐欺犯罪來涉中央詐欺犯罪防制匯報"},{"start":20962.717,"end":20980.549,"text":"那所以本席的這個新訂的第4條也希望說我也相信我們行政單位是非常重視的只是因為我們看到多頭馬車或者是說現在整個的要打炸牠牽扯的部會太廣"},{"start":20981.309,"end":21006.113,"text":"那如果沒有由中央這邊有一個這個強而有力的來帶領我們擔心這個整個的打詐成效還是有限所以這個部分本席特別提出來也希望大家可以支持 謝謝好 謝謝 謝謝喜新委員的提案說明那是不是請行政院的主任起來回復還是要部長回復"},{"start":21008.308,"end":21028.354,"text":"是,我們剛剛已經通過,那就是說可不可以再修正動力,我不知道,在法理上面可不可以再,但是我實質上來回應一下徐信遠所提的部分。徐信遠所提的部分是希望行政院做這樣的中央詐欺犯罪防制匯報,但是這個詐欺犯罪危害條例的主管機關是在內政部。"},{"start":21029.034,"end":21031.495,"text":"審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請"},{"start":21057.077,"end":21069.744,"text":"審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具:「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案案件、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件、詐欺犯罪案件、詐欺犯罪案件、詐欺犯罪案件、詐欺犯罪案件、詐欺犯罪案件、詐欺犯罪案件、詐欺犯罪案件、詐欺犯罪案件、詐欺犯罪案件、詐欺犯罪案件、詐欺犯罪案件、詐欺犯罪案件、詐欺犯罪案件、詐欺犯罪案件、詐欺犯罪案件、�"},{"start":21072.005,"end":21089.509,"text":"如果說他是一個既定的已經現有的專法你在修正的時候沒有這個法條可能就不能提修正動議但因為我們今天這個是草案這個是草案他是制定案而且是全案的修正所以提議增加之條文應該視為修正動議那這一塊應該是沒有問題的"},{"start":21093.55,"end":21119.551,"text":"那第二個是剛剛我們內政部長回覆的就是說他這個因為管理單位在這個內政部所以他覺得這個由行政院來制定這個防制匯報他覺得這個層級但是在很多的法條裡面也都有也都有可以啊還是可以定有行政院所以這一塊你們這個行政院我不知道您有沒有"},{"start":21120.652,"end":21131.158,"text":"二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、九、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、"},{"start":21138.522,"end":21138.682,"text":"陳亭妃等16人擬具"},{"start":21159.875,"end":21173.802,"text":"審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查"},{"start":21188.755,"end":21204.293,"text":"要求行政院證錯。 還是附帶決議好不好?附帶決議。 要求中央機關應該要重視這件事情。 附帶決議。 其實部門針對... 那看大局是附帶決議。 針對附帶決議的說明,看行政委員可不可以。"},{"start":21216.111,"end":21218.272,"text":"負貸決議的說明可不可以?"},{"start":21236.172,"end":21257.763,"text":"報告主席還有委員跟在這裡做一個補充報告就是我們的治安會議是每個兩個月就在行政院由院長來召開那事實上我們目前的這個打詐會議也在治安會議裡面討論因為這個也是算犯罪的一環這個是第一點那第二個"},{"start":21259.518,"end":21283.667,"text":"我們也有獨房匯報也有治安匯報但是這個都沒有入法它只是在要點裡面規定那都可以執行我的看法是說我們還是維持原案當然是在如果是寫在附帶條款裡面那可能會有一個問題我們每個兩個月就開一次治安會議但是這個只是一年開一次喔那所以這個兩個其實是會有漢格這以上這個補充說明"},{"start":21289.107,"end":21290.088,"text":"陳亭妃等16人擬具"},{"start":21298.146,"end":21316.277,"text":"二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十"},{"start":21321.54,"end":21337.504,"text":"審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具:「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案件、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案件、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案件、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案件、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案件、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案件、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案件、"},{"start":21344.38,"end":21344.4,"text":"民眾黨黨長"},{"start":21372.348,"end":21375.891,"text":"負貸決議負貸決議負貸決議負貸決議"},{"start":21395.546,"end":21412.372,"text":"主席,讓他們講一下,我覺得附帶決議這樣下去下去喔,是要他現意的,看怎麼去搞得到喔。你?他要去找我嗎?"},{"start":21412.372,"end":21422.656,"text":"不一樣啦,我說明一下,就像我們平常,我舉一個例子,醫療的都有什麼會議,可是你碰到這個新冠的時候,你就特別針對新冠有一個強項出來。"},{"start":21424.036,"end":21428.8,"text":"二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、"},{"start":21440.333,"end":21459.488,"text":"二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、"},{"start":21462.69,"end":21486.077,"text":"現在繼續進行第五條條文。第五條修正動議有徐以珍委員的修正動議,放開第32頁。好,那我們就不處理,就照行政院版本通過,好不好,大家沒意見啦,好,謝謝。"},{"start":21492.693,"end":21519.579,"text":"第六條現在我們進行第六條條文第六條第六條也是我們徐宇貞委員的修正動議但是他不在我們都照行政院版通過好那第六條都照行政院版通過我們現在處理第二張章免跟第一節結免"},{"start":21521.428,"end":21549.058,"text":"我們繼續處理第二章的章名跟第一節的結名就照行政院提名的章名跟第一節的結名就照行政院提案的章名跟結名通過大概每一件沒有就通過了"},{"start":21552.419,"end":21567.003,"text":"第七條我們處理第七條我們處理第七條我們處理第七條我們處理第七條我們處理第七條我們處理第七條我們處理第七條我們處理第七條我們處理第七條我們處理第七條我們處理第七條"},{"start":21583.252,"end":21604.671,"text":"七條的修正動力,等一下,續生還有一個新增的第七條的修正動力,他的人不在我們就不處理。好啦,第七條還有一個新增的,行政委員所提案的,新增的,那我們也是不處理,照行政院版通過。好,謝謝。"},{"start":21608.361,"end":21628.346,"text":"這不予新增,謝謝。現在我們處理第8條。第8條有徐證偉宣言動議,還有麥義珍是黃三昌委員的代替。他有兩個版本。好,第8條有徐證偉言的版本,還有麥義珍委員,就兩個版本。"},{"start":21634.846,"end":21635.888,"text":"六十跟六十一月。"},{"start":21647.895,"end":21649.276,"text":"黃珊珊委員黃珊珊委員黃珊珊委員"},{"start":21677.877,"end":21693.96,"text":"審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具:「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件事宜、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯�"},{"start":21704.838,"end":21716.133,"text":"二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、"},{"start":21719.918,"end":21736.485,"text":"第四、疑四涉及犯罪異常的存款帳戶,這些帳戶必須要給他一個管控的時間、管控的基本基準,還有最重要是他有沒有救濟程序。我們希望能夠加入這幾個字,才避免告誡帳戶求助我們的狀況。謝謝。"},{"start":21749.73,"end":21772.039,"text":"黃珊珊委員,你那個修正動力有兩個版本,我們是要針對哪一個版本?第二個版本也是針對我們提出的版本裡面,在後面46條之後,我們有訂所謂的金融制裁辦公室,用制裁辦公室來做更嚴謹的這個賬戶的管控,那如果制裁辦公室的部分"},{"start":21772.839,"end":21791.513,"text":"後面會通過的話那可能就要用第二個版本就第8條要改成第二個就是61頁的修正版本所以因為還沒有討論到所以我暫時先沒有提出來好的第8條如果可以在這個程序上面加入這些的話我們後面那個制裁辦公室我們可以不堅持好謝謝謝謝來請行政單位來做說明好不好"},{"start":21797.241,"end":21819.607,"text":"謝謝委員提供的意見我先講一下剛剛委員提到的第8就是第二個修正動議這邊先說明一下因為第8條它的重點就在說要即時性速度就是我們要把這個款要儘速的把它留下來"},{"start":21820.327,"end":21831.482,"text":"二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、九、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、"},{"start":21839.412,"end":21863.3,"text":"二點的話就是剛剛委員這邊有提到說那個第8條後面這邊是不是要訂什麼管工基準、期間或休憩程序這邊跟委員報告因為依照第8條他只是第一時間發現之後他先把他扣住而已但是他下一個動作馬上就要依照第9條第9條去通報警察機關所以這邊的這些程序其實"},{"start":21864.72,"end":21879.521,"text":"對她來講因為她都已經去通報警察機關警察機關第一時間就會來把這個帳戶把它凍結了所以這在第9條情況之下第8條其實在定這些什麼期間啊救濟程序其實就已經沒有關係性了以上"},{"start":21880.141,"end":21880.301,"text":"李慧琼議員"},{"start":21898.846,"end":21919.275,"text":"你有沒有程序?跟委員報告第8條這個是指的是金融機構本身所以金融機構他把這個訊息通報到警察機關之後就是由警察機關這邊來處理的所以第8條這部分我們是不是建議維持行政院的版本這樣子但是這些警察機關的處理程序在哪裡規定?"},{"start":21921.447,"end":21921.787,"text":"懲罪判決事項"},{"start":21945.907,"end":21974.116,"text":"第八條的最後一項我們有授權訂定一個執法那在這個執法裡頭如果就像跟警示帳戶的做法其實是類似的就是如果對這個通報又控管的這個帳戶認為有意義的話那基本上所以我就請你把這你要訂的執法的項目把它寫清楚啊管控的基準期間跟救濟程序把它寫在你的執法裡啊"},{"start":21974.736,"end":21987.845,"text":"就計程序依照現在的訴願法跟行政訴訟法已經有明定所以說我們覺得這邊應該可以維持行政院所以結論就是還是解決不了我剛剛講的問題嗎告誡章會無解現在接下去也會無解嗎"},{"start":21992.646,"end":22011.259,"text":"委員報告其實現在實務上其實就已經有在運作了那如果說他這個帳戶如果說這個 如果你實務上運作我們就不會接到這麼多陳情案了嗎這麼多委員接到這麼多陳情案就是因為告誡帳戶無解因為他沒有辦法在30天內證明自己沒有關係跟委員報告"},{"start":22011.599,"end":22011.839,"text":"責任責任責任責任"},{"start":22043.021,"end":22051.292,"text":"我看這樣好不好,我們刑事局跟我們黃珊珊委員來再做溝通。你們金融嘛。"},{"start":22052.974,"end":22072.869,"text":"二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、"},{"start":22078.595,"end":22107.206,"text":"好,那我們現在第八條我們先保留,我們現在進行第九條條文。好,第九條有我們習以正委員的修正動力,習以正委員不在,我們就照行政院版通過,有沒有意見?沒有。好,沒意見,好,謝謝。好,現在我們進行第四條。"},{"start":22113.235,"end":22130.842,"text":"第十條我們也是政委員的修正動議那因為人不在我們就不予此理那就照行政院版通過現在我們進行第十一條好好好"},{"start":22134.393,"end":22155.511,"text":"負貸決議可以確認嗎?我這邊改了。但是他們那邊有點慢。我的意思說是不是,因為我已經給他們我們修改的啊。那不然請他表示意見嘛。不然行政單位不要一直拖。我們行政單位齁。"},{"start":22158.345,"end":22176.38,"text":"二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、"},{"start":22178.716,"end":22186.762,"text":"第11條有黃捷委員跟徐以貞委員的修正動議黃捷委員不在我們就不處理徐以貞委員來第36頁謝謝"},{"start":22213.51,"end":22220.972,"text":"十二條嗎?現在是現在才我們的行政院提案是第十一條對照的是第十二條"},{"start":22230.915,"end":22231.956,"text":"審訊委員審訊委員審訊委員審訊委員審訊委員主席"},{"start":22258.072,"end":22258.652,"text":"審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具"},{"start":22283.838,"end":22292.605,"text":"三、四、五、六、七、八、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、"},{"start":22300.814,"end":22311.121,"text":"二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、"},{"start":22331.154,"end":22353.756,"text":"不是啦,因為已經討論過了,尊重大家,不可能討論以後再反對他,去逃脫我國嘛。現在是討論第11條啦,第11條大家還沒有什麼意見。對啊,跟我說有什麼意見說,跟你們這樣,沒有來我的行政單位提議的,還有什麼。我們行政單位齁。"},{"start":22357.205,"end":22365.907,"text":"行政黨會是對黃捷委員提的那個草案有意見,不曉得現在要討論嗎?沒有啦,現在黃捷沒這個沒辦法說啦,欸,一視同仁啦,一樣啦。就針對我們習以貞委員的提案。對啦,他現在人在這裡,有在這裡要跟你說啦,我沒辦法,怎麼解決的啦。第36頁,這個白色這一個,第36頁。"},{"start":22384.969,"end":22386.351,"text":"西藝珍委員的第36、36頁。"},{"start":22406.133,"end":22406.714,"text":"審查委員陳亭妃"},{"start":22425.387,"end":22432.174,"text":"審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具:「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件、詐欺犯罪案件、詐欺犯罪案件、詐欺犯罪案件、詐欺犯罪案件、詐欺犯罪案件、詐欺犯罪案件、詐欺犯罪案件、詐欺犯罪案件、詐欺犯罪案件、詐欺犯罪案件、詐欺犯罪案件、詐欺犯罪案件、"},{"start":22446.469,"end":22475.43,"text":"正確的話那其實徐委員的意見是不是就已經包含在裡面了我們就可以照院板繼續前進又或者是徐委員有其他的意見那是不是就這個部分那不管是院這邊內政部這邊或者是徐委員這邊是不是也可以說明一下哪個單位就院板說明一下如果徐委員得到滿意解答我們就可以繼續走下去了這樣好不好因為他聽起來是NFT嘛如果有包含那就是就包在裡面了啊"},{"start":22475.93,"end":22481.733,"text":"二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、"},{"start":22494.005,"end":22495.626,"text":"因為當初虛擬資產事業的人員這個東西只有包含金融投資跟支付"},{"start":22508.632,"end":22526.945,"text":"二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、九、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、"},{"start":22529.281,"end":22529.361,"text":"審查委員長"},{"start":22560.166,"end":22579.4,"text":"那請教一下因為現在NFT的詐騙這麼猖獗那請問會在哪個地方會有規範?當初在指定這個主管機關就我們金管會這邊沒有就沒有接受到NFT這樣一個指定的"},{"start":22585.063,"end":22589.153,"text":"我想請問一下NFT你們金管會認為要不要納管?要不要納入?"},{"start":22593.953,"end":22620.389,"text":"NFT因為我們一直都沒有對這一塊有著墨啦那所以我們對它性質也並不是那麼清楚這樣子我們管的就是沒有包含到NFT這一塊我們是包括所謂的虛擬貨幣包括是穩定幣跟非穩定幣這部分但是NFT這部分它並當初在我們接受行政院的指定的時候就並沒有包含這一塊對那請問這個有哪個主管機關來負責"},{"start":22633.407,"end":22650.533,"text":"請問你處長來回答NFT的部分我的建議是說不要納入這次的草案裡面因為NFT它的本身的架構是去中心化的所謂去中心化就是它根本沒有server所以全世界各國都管不到"},{"start":22651.033,"end":22651.153,"text":"財政局局長"},{"start":22666.44,"end":22667.562,"text":"審查委員陳亭妃等16人"},{"start":22683.001,"end":22697.271,"text":"這是技術上的建議是主席我可以發言嗎我想確認一下我們現在的採用的這一套打詐防詐騙的這個標準是有可以接近世界上的各國的哪一套標準嗎是什麼美國的啦還是歐盟的啦還是有什麼樣狀況嗎我們用一個什麼樣的標準嗎那我們是不是"},{"start":22712.3,"end":22739.885,"text":"蘇、謝謝蘇委員我來代答一下我所了解他是根據這個在法國成立的防制洗錢金融行動工作組織叫做FATF裡面的範圍目前好那我也跟部長交換一下意見我不曉得我自己有沒有認知錯誤啦有的話因為部的資訊應該是比我還要更清楚嘛就我的了解的話我們其實是有參酌就是您剛剛說的法國也就是說比較接近歐洲系統的這樣的狀況因為歐洲系統都比較是小國林立嘛"},{"start":22740.345,"end":22746.311,"text":"審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具:「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案案件、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件、"},{"start":22758.463,"end":22775.383,"text":"僅管會提到的那一套系統那那一套系統暫時是沒有把去中心化的NFT是納在這個裡面的但並不代表我們就不重視NFT的詐騙行為所以我們今天要先通過的這一套標準會按照歐盟系統這邊先走"},{"start":22777.485,"end":22784.59,"text":"審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具、「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案案件、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件、"},{"start":22802.042,"end":22802.162,"text":"審查委員長"},{"start":22818.496,"end":22831.93,"text":"我整理一下齁照理講是我們這一部法令不是我們可能要跟國際接軌啊跟國際接軌我們要跟國際的標準一致其實這個是不是你們剛剛回答的重點"},{"start":22833.399,"end":22853.441,"text":"是不是是不是不好意思那個委員您這問題因為剛剛在討論是可不可以麻煩您再再一遍你們現在我們這一套辦法其實必須要跟國際的標準接軌然後全球一致的這樣情況之下我們才可以去有評比有什麼的嗎呃是不是這樣委員這邊報告吼"},{"start":22854.502,"end":22883.397,"text":"因為我們這份虛擬資產的定義都是直接連結到洗錢防治法那這洗錢防治法它是國際有通有一個一致的一個規則這樣所以我們洗錢防治法裡面定義就要回到非TAFE這邊所以我們這邊就是一致都要依依跟國際的一個規範要一致啊對嘛所以要跟國際接軌嘛目前還沒有用還沒有納入NFT對不對可不可以用麥克風把這句話講出來目前就是還沒有納入NFT"},{"start":22884.857,"end":22894.623,"text":"那因為後面會有很多什麼要封網的啊、要加下架的會有跟NFT是做不到根本就不是這樣的系統嘛!你要把這段話講出來啊!"},{"start":22898.035,"end":22917.265,"text":"陳亭妃等16人擬具:「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、"},{"start":22920.126,"end":22927.148,"text":"審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具:「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案案件、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件、"},{"start":22942.992,"end":22967.161,"text":"去中心化虛擬貨幣全世界沒有任何政府現在有任何的技術可以管得到但是虛擬貨幣的交易所因為它是中心化的所以政府才有辦法去管這個是單純從技術上面來說明因為本席的意見就是說主要是因為針對虛擬貨幣其實損失如果非官媒統一已經超過百億了那我們當然還是希望能夠有一個可以規範這個虛擬貨幣這個NFT的這個"},{"start":22969.622,"end":22969.662,"text":"審查委員"},{"start":22986.676,"end":22995.781,"text":"二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、九、十、一、二、三、四、五、六、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、"},{"start":23005.106,"end":23026.985,"text":"就是原來是照理說是完全去去中心化應該是很安全可是大家為了把它在交易所上面去交易你才能變現嘛才能把那個虛擬貨幣變成美金什麼可是你很多的詐騙都是發生在那個交易所上面這個是我們現在就是為什麼我們認為說這個事情會很複雜如果現在把它納進來的話會非常複雜是"},{"start":23031.684,"end":23049.252,"text":"好 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旅客有別的選擇嘛現在你的題目是現在但是我不確定將來會怎麼樣所以我仍然要在打詐與人權之間要取得平衡"},{"start":25901.755,"end":25918.818,"text":"你之所以今天會有高風險電信業者這樣子的一個分類就是因為在各國全世界各地要搞什麼SIM卡或者是這個義付卡這些商家裡面有一些有完整的實名制登記有一些沒有嘛那就是沒有的這一撮才會變成詐騙集團拿來利用的漏洞嘛"},{"start":25919.895,"end":25945.77,"text":"那這一座占總體的比例其實數量是不多的那不多的情況下你就從嚴把關把它徹底殲滅如果這群人希望拿到台灣的市場他就要去修正他的末端讓他的實名制或什麼的然後我們就給他開放就好了他不是搞風險的這才是最終解決問題的方法嘛從嚴把關是我們共同的認知那這個沒有問題現在就是說在方法上是不是哪一個方法是侵害人權最少其實差別只在這裡而已"},{"start":25946.069,"end":25958.684,"text":"審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具、「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案案件、詐欺犯罪案案件、詐欺犯罪案案件、詐欺犯罪案案件、詐欺犯罪案案件、詐欺犯罪案案件、詐欺犯罪案案件、詐欺犯罪案案件、"},{"start":25964.845,"end":25991.765,"text":"二項跟第三項同意啦,但第一項建議人仍然不支持。二、三項嘛,對不對,同意嘛。對,二、三項同意。每位,因為主秘是同意啦。好不好,二、三項,就照劉行廷我們的委員。第一項,我...不擔任大家出選啦,那個...他倒是同一個案啦。他應該是這樣可以了啦。就是這個要變成整條要保留了啦。"},{"start":25992.267,"end":26016.844,"text":"沒有,第一項還是照行政院版嗎?我是希望可以改,因為行政院這樣我擔心啦。這個我有堅持啦,我也很擔心行政院現在的這種方式。那這樣的話可能就這條保留照照。好,那我們這一條就保留。我們保留啦,好不好?這保留。好,謝謝。好,那我們現在處理第21條修正動議。"},{"start":26020.97,"end":26048.04,"text":"我們習以貞委員請大家翻開39頁這條還是條次的這條還是條次好 那照行政院版好 謝謝好 現在我們處理第22條修正動議也是我們習以貞與牛新廷委員我的部分也是條次那看"},{"start":26050.816,"end":26073.471,"text":"我的是預期停留跟拘留,如果剛剛同意就把它修過去,好不好?這個跟前面的是相關的,就是加預期停留跟拘留的條款,只是文字修正而已。好,那我們就照牛委員的修正同意通過。修正通過,好,確定,謝謝。"},{"start":26083.946,"end":26106.2,"text":"二十三條修正動議由王美惠委員與徐以貞委員王美惠在11月徐以貞委員在40月我的部分是條子來美惠來我們行政單位"},{"start":26111.51,"end":26114.224,"text":"23條"},{"start":26118.845,"end":26135.855,"text":"二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、"},{"start":26142.659,"end":26146.102,"text":"二、三、四條修正動議。24條有王美惠委員、黃婕委員、"},{"start":26168.397,"end":26179.204,"text":"習以珍委員、牛新廷委員各提出修正動議。防潔委員不在,我們就不出力。"},{"start":26185.659,"end":26212.446,"text":"第24條就是有關罰則的部分嘛對因為這部分我是認為其實電信公司大部分都是特許的行業而且都是上市歸公司所以這樣子的一個罰則我覺得相對太輕啦就現在是20萬到200萬以下我覺得相對太輕所以我是希望提高罰則到50萬以上然後300萬以下然後另外針對情節重大者由"},{"start":26213.266,"end":26234.858,"text":"電信主管機關處新台幣一百萬以上兩千萬以下的這個罰還並另期限其改占然後借其為改善者的話要匯商電信主管機關禁止其合配頻率這樣子的話我覺得對於電信業者才有一個規範的一個作用否則的話這個罰則這麼輕對他們來說好謝謝謝謝施政委員我們的罰則都提高來那個王美惠委員我覺得發了太久我也"},{"start":26241.201,"end":26250.984,"text":"二十萬到兩百萬,一百萬到一千萬,我提高五十萬到五百萬,兩百五十萬到兩千五百萬。來,請會長姐。"},{"start":26261.67,"end":26275.889,"text":"我建議能讓維持行政院的條文,主要的是說,因為後面其實有連續處罰的概念了,所以如果假如他不願意做好的話,我們會連續處罰,一次一次的加重,而不是一開始就給他下得很重。"},{"start":26276.59,"end":26291.641,"text":"我是覺得還是仍然維持行政院的條例。這樣來連續處罰多久的時間,他沒有改進,沒有改那個的選擇,要怎麼辦?最主要我現在是跟你說,上線他們訂的是20萬到200萬。我是覺得說,這些電信業者太貴賬,是不是該50萬到500萬?"},{"start":26304.391,"end":26323.111,"text":"審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具:「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐"},{"start":26323.491,"end":26326.593,"text":"審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人"},{"start":26349.069,"end":26353.811,"text":"審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具、「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案"},{"start":26372.379,"end":26389.955,"text":"還是維持我們原來行政院這個法案的額度?那假設他真的惡行重大的話,後面會有連續處罰嗎?那同時對他的利得...連續...這樣是不是...主席您聽看看新台幣20萬齁,跟新台幣50萬兩百萬...只要說我是要高於五百萬,二十萬怎麼解?"},{"start":26399.775,"end":26405.097,"text":"審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具、「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案案案案案。"},{"start":26425.728,"end":26427.69,"text":"審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具"},{"start":26449.721,"end":26467.229,"text":"審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具:「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案件、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案件、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案件、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案件、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案件、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案件、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案件、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案件、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案件、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草"},{"start":26471.131,"end":26494.648,"text":"審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具:「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案案件、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件、詐欺犯"},{"start":26500.741,"end":26524.914,"text":"如果他只要不要情節中,他只要不要犯的話,那當然,對啊。是,是,了解了解。我們能夠達到我們的。當然指的是說之後的啊,並不是說之前的啊。我是建議這個,因為其實禁止和被評理其實是另外一個處罰了。跟這個其實沒有必然的關聯性。我是建議是不是我們在,"},{"start":26526.297,"end":26526.637,"text":"禁止合併頻率"},{"start":26547.492,"end":26573.587,"text":"那請問一下情節重大者就除了這個罰款之外其實說在這個金額啦對於電信公司來說這真的是這個九牛一毛對他們來說根本不會有什麼感受的啊其實這三家電信公司啊大部分電信公司啊其實都是上市公司啊他還要面對他自己的股東啊對於他自己的商譽啊對於他自己股東的這個他的這個股價其實都有極大的影響這個才是最大的處罰啊"},{"start":26574.898,"end":26587.5,"text":"那個當然不是說我們罰的這些錢,錢當然如果罰的話對他們公司當然你也不要說是不痛不癢,其實對他財務上面還是有一些影響,但是其實影響最大的還是他們家的商運。"},{"start":26589.308,"end":26597.473,"text":"審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具:「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案 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謝謝那黃姐委員勒是想問一下這個情節重大因為其實後面針對那個廣告業者有列嘛那為什麼前面的這一些沒有放進去就是說只有針對後面的廣告業者有列出這個情節重大相關的規範廣告業者不在我這邊沒關係"},{"start":27137.258,"end":27159.931,"text":"現在是哪一條?現在是在25條,但是因為後面在33條,唉唷,對了我是在講說後面有這樣的後面的邏輯跟前面有點不一致啦。是,我們是體系因為我們自己的,因為是延續我們自己電信管理法的體系下來的,那情節重大的部分應該都是個案去做認定啦。"},{"start":27162.321,"end":27183.587,"text":"因為處罰的太陽前面已經列舉了,各式各樣的違法太陽,構成要件都已經有了。那現在就這個構成要件裡面的特殊情節重大,那是個案去做認定。好,對。所以我的意思是說在這一部法裡面你們會因為主管機關的不同,然後像是25條跟後面的39條裡面的這個認定的邏輯不太一致。"},{"start":27191.612,"end":27204.967,"text":"主管機關不同,所以就變成其實因為這一部法裡面你們有分成不同的主管機關導致於你們的行為上就認定的方式可能會前後不一。因為我們業者也不一樣。因為我們管理的業者在電影事業"},{"start":27210.982,"end":27223.587,"text":"審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具:「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案 案件 、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案 案件 、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案 案件 、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案 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大家就介意齁你被侵略者太有錢了啦他要去犯規違規你還去同情他那說不過去吧齁對啦我們就訂個五十到一千萬嘛有一個任期嘛對啊你就可以去依照情節的時候再來採訪對啦齁好啦那我們就照這樣通過啦好不好文字修訂齁我們就照案通過"},{"start":27437.858,"end":27448.722,"text":"現在我們處理26條的修正動議。我們是政委員。第42頁。這是條次。這朝行政院。朝行政院版通過。好,謝謝。我們現在要處理第三屆節目。"},{"start":27458.278,"end":27462.582,"text":"審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請"},{"start":27484.555,"end":27487.836,"text":"二十八條修正動議修正動議 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那張不是同一張嗎?那張不是同一張嗎?那張不是同一張嗎?"},{"start":29247.999,"end":29248.899,"text":"審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具"},{"start":29274.63,"end":29294.614,"text":"臉書投放記者廣告下面出現的留言是詐騙的管道現在留言不是廣告內容但是因為這通報之後是不介入的那我覺得是不是這樣要不然你如果只規範廣告裡面我只能測廣告那我覺得這不一樣我只能命令他停止流放但是這留言就不一樣"},{"start":29303.795,"end":29322.379,"text":"有另外一種就是那種粉絲頁或是社群那個部分,那個就不是廣告的那個?廣告只是貼文,我們投只是貼文,他留言不算啊。對啊,所以我才會覺得說你要把他,比如說他留言去廣告,我們要測試他留言去廣告的那種標誌,他如果只是一張臉來給大家看,那什麼意思?"},{"start":29333.301,"end":29338.923,"text":"他們擔心管太寬了,現行的條例是比較嚴格,如果加了廣告是現收範圍"},{"start":29361.089,"end":29362.39,"text":"審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具"},{"start":29386.336,"end":29400.223,"text":"應該這樣講,就是業者只針對他有收錢所投放的那個廣告的內容去負責,那前面也有他有相關的責任,可是這一條的話他業者只不用負責,業者只是被動的接收行政機關,他就通報,然後再去下架。對,對,對。你能夠設定到多寬嗎?可以,這個沒有很冷。"},{"start":29417.39,"end":29417.41,"text":"第2、3、4、5、6、7、8、9、10、11、12、13、14、15、16、17、18、19、20、21、22、23、24、25、26、27、28、29、30、31、32、33、34、35、36、37、40、40、41、42、43、44、45、45、46、47、48、49、49、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、"},{"start":29429.855,"end":29452.116,"text":"二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、"},{"start":29457.722,"end":29478.609,"text":"二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、一、二、三、四、五、六、七、八、九、十、一、二、三、四、五、六、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、"},{"start":29480.23,"end":29499.196,"text":"二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、九、十、一、二、三、四、五、六、七、八、九、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、"},{"start":29500.776,"end":29525.918,"text":"二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、九、十、一、二、三、四、五、六、七、八、九、十、一、二、三、四、五、六、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、"},{"start":29541.429,"end":29546.012,"text":"審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具:「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案 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。"},{"start":29548.95,"end":29568.319,"text":"現在我來補充一下針對第25條的補正宣告第一項、第八款及第九款計中兩年內,今改為三年內以及第23條、第三項三項計中以及計為兩年內,改為三年內"},{"start":29580.001,"end":29590.709,"text":"二十二條第十二項及第二十二第一項及第二項後一期或後"},{"start":29593.663,"end":29620.901,"text":"或預期或刪除改為頓耗。第二十四條第一項、第四項及第五款或預期之後均改為頓耗。請問以上更正文字有無異議?"},{"start":29622.776,"end":29647.448,"text":"審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃"},{"start":29649.613,"end":29674.449,"text":"33條那個可能要文字修正一下33條的第4行他所刊登或播送之內容有涉及詐欺犯罪嫌疑事者我覺得那個因為這個是廣告平台業者那個內容前面是不是要加兩個廣告兩個字加廣告啦好那大家有沒有意見"},{"start":29676.631,"end":29699.612,"text":"行政機關來說明一下好不好第33條大家放開112頁這個沒有問題我們尊重基本上只是文字講得更清楚所以我們沒有意見加個廣告沒意見啦好那我們都加個廣告就文字修訂通過好不好"},{"start":29702.642,"end":29717.346,"text":"二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十"},{"start":29723.66,"end":29746.909,"text":"好,第33條,播送之廣告內容有涉詐詐欺犯罪嫌疑事實者應先跟先行限制接取。好,大家有沒有意見?沒意見嗎?我們的責任通過。好,謝謝。好,修正通過。好,那我們現在要請大家翻到152頁。"},{"start":29753.513,"end":29771.032,"text":"好,那現在我們請大家放開152頁,台灣民眾黨提案的第四節。好,要不要增訂這個結名,那是不是我們黃珊珊委員。"},{"start":29773.779,"end":29792.217,"text":"謝謝主席我想各位同仁我想我們在台灣民眾黨的版本裏面在第4節46條以下我們訂立了一個制裁辦公室那這個是因為有鑒於詐欺案件在國內的橫行那對於國家的影響並不亞於相關的恐怖打擊"},{"start":29792.858,"end":29807.672,"text":"二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、"},{"start":29815.299,"end":29827.787,"text":"二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、九、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、"},{"start":29845.439,"end":29851.641,"text":"審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具:「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案案件、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件、"},{"start":29866.445,"end":29895.757,"text":"詐欺犯罪的危害防制條例反而它的額度少然後可能金額上面也沒有做更多的區隔所以我們在提的修正動議這邊會提出來說如果他獲取財務達到1億元以上應該更加重那就這個部分我們希望在43條能夠做個修正所以請大家參著這個修正動議27頁的這個版本我們希望說還是有個區隔1億跟1000萬應該要有所不同以上"},{"start":29899.806,"end":29901.568,"text":"謝謝黃珊珊委員提案說明,請行政單位做說明。"},{"start":29908.902,"end":29924.09,"text":"主席委員大家好我這邊是人事行政總書的代表那針對那個第46條訂定行政院應設置制裁辦公室並配置專責人力部分那因為行政院已經於112年5月22號設置了打擊詐欺辦公室負責統合辦理打詐業務跟協調及督導相關打詐專責部會落實執行打詐策略行動綱領1.5百"},{"start":29936.357,"end":29950.826,"text":"那同時我們考慮到中央行政機關組織基準法他第五條第三項定了不得已作用法或其他法規規定機關組織之規定原建議不定定相關條文以上好謝謝好來我們主任主席還有各位委員"},{"start":29962.473,"end":29984.144,"text":"針對本案我們也提出了一些說明那詐欺犯罪的本質就是財產犯罪那在現在的在審查這個草案剛剛委員已經知道很多那我們也對這個刑度還有罰完的這個金額都已經有大幅的提高那以後的這個刑責是最高會判到10年"},{"start":29985.708,"end":29998.895,"text":"以上,那如果參酌這個知恐法來訂定這個法令,我們覺得有一些這個自愛難行,那首先這個是聯合國的安理會決議所指定,那我們至今在這裡"},{"start":30001.585,"end":30030.196,"text":"我們覺得是上欄比較引用那另外就是說這些受到制裁的這些人他一般我們都是要等這個判決有罪之後才來行動那如果等判決有罪其實他需要相當的時間沒有辦法做到這個即時攔阻那我們所以我們建議是這個辦公室可以不需要現在來設置好謝謝"},{"start":30035.175,"end":30057.175,"text":"請問黃珊珊委員行政院的聲明我們知道這個是很強力的東西所以如果他們現在這個專法如果沒有辦法二組的話我們將來再來設置也是可以但是就是說我們一樣立法院的態度就是希望你們有更多的工具更多的強力的部分來打仗這個已經要當成國家安全來處理"},{"start":30059.11,"end":30068.739,"text":"我們同意以院版過但是我們希望他們放在心上這個很重要然後就是43條就是院版的部分我們剛剛的修正動議也請大家參與"},{"start":30081.684,"end":30101.392,"text":"好,那我們現在針對台灣民眾黨的第四屆結名,然後到46、47、48、49、50條,那我們就先不予採納,好不好?好,我們黃珊珊委員,可以嗎?"},{"start":30102.657,"end":30114.742,"text":"審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具、「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案案件、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件、詐欺犯罪案案件、詐欺犯罪案案件、詐欺犯罪案案件、"},{"start":30122.711,"end":30140.727,"text":"主席。來,黃明慧委員。主席。來,黃明慧委員。主席。來,黃明慧委員。主席。來,黃明慧委員。主席。來,黃明慧委員。主席。來,黃明慧委員。主席。來,黃明慧委員。主席。來,黃明慧委員。主席。來,黃明慧委員。主席。來,黃明慧委員。主席。來,黃明慧委員。主席。來,黃明慧委員。主席。來,黃明慧委員。主席。來,黃明慧委員。主席。來,黃明慧委員。主席。來,黃明慧委員。主席。來,黃明慧委員。主席"},{"start":30142.39,"end":30156.3,"text":"她說不能加工購,跟我們給她解說看是如何不能加工購。我們的法治要越頂越重,不是這樣。跟剛才問看你們有意見嗎?你還都沒說。來先解說一下跟張宏祿委員的。"},{"start":30167.723,"end":30183.156,"text":"主席還有各位因為這一條會牽涉到我們32條是在處理詐欺的廣告沒有錯33條處理的是貼文也就是現在假冒名人他假冒名人上去他不叫做廣告你如果把廣告兩次放進來我們就沒有下架的機制了"},{"start":30187.77,"end":30195.257,"text":"以內政部警政署立場我們會建議要維持願版的加納兩個字真的是話舍天足了以上說明"},{"start":30208.43,"end":30212.359,"text":"因為如果寫下去真的會覺得說沒出力還放生意,這樣就不好了,要認真啦。"},{"start":30220.046,"end":30237.696,"text":"二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十"},{"start":30239.414,"end":30253.98,"text":"好,那我們在現在處理第43條修正動議王美惠委員還有麥一貞委員、習以貞委員所提出的修正動議王美惠委員"},{"start":30261.556,"end":30270.941,"text":"就是43條的。本條有說要加重處罰,原本門檻是一千萬嘛。本來是覺得他要五百萬就要處理了啦。五百萬對現在來說也很多耶。所以這是不是"},{"start":30285.356,"end":30308.696,"text":"因為我認為降低的最重要因素是因為這條規定本來就是針對一般的詐欺犯尤其針對刑法339之四的家中詐欺家中詐欺的本身的惡性重大應該不會低到一千萬而已"},{"start":30309.784,"end":30330.607,"text":"三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、"},{"start":30333.015,"end":30358.579,"text":"好 謝謝我代表脈力政委員說明一下我們的提案就剛剛說明了他就1000萬但是洗方法有個1億所以我們希望說這個部分針對1億以上應該要更加重那剛剛我們會委員所說的我們也贊成啦就是就是要加重因為如果有500那有1000那有1億這樣的話才有個集聚否則大家的罪責都一樣這個的確也會造成說大家的投機的心理"},{"start":30359.119,"end":30380.692,"text":"審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具:「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件、詐欺犯罪案件、詐欺犯罪案件、詐欺犯罪案件、詐欺犯罪案件、詐欺犯罪案件、詐欺犯罪案件、詐欺犯罪案件、詐欺犯罪案件、詐欺犯罪案件、詐欺犯罪案件、詐欺犯罪案件、詐欺犯罪案件、"},{"start":30385.632,"end":30410.184,"text":"謝謝主席我想一定的級距有不一樣的刑罰效果我們是樂觀啟程應該是要同意但是如果說級距過多比如說定個五百、一千、一億會讓我們的刑度有一點複雜對那現在就是說一千萬我們認為說一千萬那照院版的就是"},{"start":30412.472,"end":30423.529,"text":"三年以上、十年以下有期徒刑、病科三千萬、新台幣三千萬以下的罰金。那委員所提到的吼,民眾黨委員所提到的,如果把犯罪所得一億,"},{"start":30424.687,"end":30444.334,"text":"以上,定為5年以上、12年以下,加重病科,然後新台幣3億元以下罰金,那這個部分的話對於遏止詐欺犯罪應該有它的效益。本部呢尊重委員的意見,是不是就把它定1億跟1000萬跟1億,這樣兩個級距。好,那外媒會委員五百。"},{"start":30451.082,"end":30472.774,"text":"五百五百五十幾因為這個刑度已經很高了這個刑度已經很高了這個刑度很高了所以我們是不是把金額再調高一點我估計五百就很少了你認為我估計一千你如果調下去五百好 這樣我我估計是"},{"start":30479.126,"end":30479.286,"text":"陳亭妃"},{"start":30487.757,"end":30505.029,"text":"審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具:「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件事宜、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、詐欺犯罪案件事宜、"},{"start":30512.045,"end":30524.744,"text":"對,是請委員能夠支持這樣的法律的設計那接著呢就是涉及到委員所提到43條的第三項這個就跟我們原來院版的不太一樣就是因為院版43條是針對詐騙金額"},{"start":30527.708,"end":30549.521,"text":"然後44條是犯罪類型那現在目前的草案是改革作為就混在一起亂了就是你兩條都亂了那這個部分的話是不是因為我們是著重在44條是著重在集團犯罪以及3年以上3人以上共同複合性犯罪"},{"start":30549.921,"end":30554.725,"text":"審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具:「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案"},{"start":30575.702,"end":30590.808,"text":"三條有前段有後段都會搭配會有四個組合才對這個你只有寫兩個組合也不對而尤其組織犯罪條例的話其實不是只有詐欺他還牽扯到毒品他還有牽扯到暴力"},{"start":30591.943,"end":30619.46,"text":"那這些今天我們把詐欺認為說我這個這個複合性是一個犯罪改天一定會有人認為說毒品也很重要因為他又要另外定一個法律整個就架構上都亂掉這個部分我們用想像進而犯事實上目前操作上是沒有問題的所以希望說就43條就單純我們就是把一千萬跟一億就列得很清楚就是這樣的條文"},{"start":30622.523,"end":30623.364,"text":"審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具"},{"start":30640.379,"end":30665.076,"text":"他有三個類型第二款是什麼三人以上所以你是放在44條說三人以上的話要加重期刑但是就不一定是組織犯罪啊因為三人以上不一定是組織犯罪所以你44條其實也沒有講到組織犯罪的部分所以我們的意思是說如果你三人以上都要加重期刑你組織犯罪更要加重期刑啊"},{"start":30666.348,"end":30669.171,"text":"審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具:「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案案件、詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件、"},{"start":30679.352,"end":30679.492,"text":"審查委員長"},{"start":30709.101,"end":30722.507,"text":"喂我提供一下意見是不是把形態的部分整合在第44條然後43條就用比較用金額的先過然後我們把民眾黨的意見放在第44條然後第44條把它完整然後可以重罰我覺得目標應該是這樣好不好"},{"start":30726.846,"end":30747.056,"text":"就是這個一千萬的 我覺得還是考慮了看了 我覺得該五百萬還是什麼因為我覺得五百萬對一般的Base去弄騙五百萬真的很多的我如果你們說你們不一定不相信我存無過"},{"start":30748.666,"end":30753.831,"text":"審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具、「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案案案案案案案案案案案"},{"start":30772.162,"end":30787.494,"text":"審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具:「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案件事宜一、二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、七、八、八、九、十、九、十、九、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十"},{"start":30802.306,"end":30829.266,"text":"五百三年以上十年以下一億五年以上十二年以下就這兩段嘛好那我們行政單位好那是不是用文字先先秀一下文字大家看一下你們文字看一下吧"},{"start":30831.323,"end":30851.697,"text":"二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、一、二、三、四、五、六、七、八、九、十、一、二、三、四、五、六、七、一、二、三、四、五、六、七、一、二、三、四、五、六、七、一、二、三、四、五、六、七、一、二、三、四、五、六、七、一、二、三、四、五、六、七、一、二、三、四、五、六、七、一、二、三、四、五、六、七、一、二、三、四、五、六、七、一、二、三、四、五、六、七、一、二、三、四、五、六、七、一、二、三、四、五、六、七、一、二、三、四、五、六、七、一、"},{"start":30852.328,"end":30857.335,"text":"二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十"},{"start":30870.766,"end":30893.375,"text":"第43條包括包括委員吼第44條這個部分吼因為我們最主要就是處罰3人以上的集團犯罪那事實上他已經有組織犯罪的概念其實在實務操作上來講你只要3人以上要加重其實已經把這個犯罪組織的概念放進來了"},{"start":30894.375,"end":30921.404,"text":"而且還不用像組織犯罪那麼嚴格喔他還有終止啊還要什麼計畫什麼的所以他只要是3人以上我們就把它提高了我覺得這樣就可以涵掛了那再再再把早上黃國昌問題再問一次3個人以上在網路上面詐騙用的是43條還是44條44條44條3人以上在網際網路但是你的條款是只有三、三九之四第一項第二款"},{"start":30924.502,"end":30949.736,"text":"如果你只限在第二款的話你只有三人以上沒有講網際網路喔那有三人以上在網際網路你是用哪一條第一款第一款對他是三人以上然後犯了網際網路就是會回到第一款回到第一款那就不會加重期刑啊加重期刑二分之一你猜第二款的罪然後用第一款"},{"start":30950.88,"end":30975.285,"text":"對,第一款它就是加,它是複合的,三人一、對,只要其中一個,它複合了,就加中二分之一。所以,你不,我們,我們如果在我們的修法是,你看到我們是34條第一項,其他各款之一啊,我們把它修成這樣不是更完整嗎?"},{"start":30977.233,"end":30999.382,"text":"你為什麼只是34條第一項第二款之罪呢?你如果是處罰併犯你為什麼只要挑第一項第二款呢?為什麼不能像我們的條款是第一項各款之罪然後加重刑刑二分之一然後併犯339條之四的第一項其他各款之一這才是真正的複合啊"},{"start":31003.282,"end":31023.394,"text":"現在就是說原來設計就是在處罰集團就是三人為基底只要這個三人再複合了我們就加重但是現在變成說可能不是三人他不是三人他如果同時是另外的兩款假冒公務員就好了"},{"start":31026.924,"end":31055.604,"text":"他假冒公務人員然後同時用網路這樣的行為就會被你跳到草案的44條裡面來加重刑刑這個跟原來設計我們是要處罰集團是用原意上我如果只是一個人假冒公務人員又用網際網路就不會加重了啊那就回到339指示就不會加重了對不對對對對就不是在這個地方所以就是另外兩款就不會加重了對那我們要這樣嗎"},{"start":31057.654,"end":31057.694,"text":"審查委員長"},{"start":31072.743,"end":31088.369,"text":"現在我們是針對集團集團行為才要加重其他的同時具備多款的話我們所以說我知道就是你這邊其實只有一個項目叫做集團嘛對三人以上對所以其他單一的微貿公務員用網際網路就不會加重了"},{"start":31089.403,"end":31114.195,"text":"對 這個最主要就是跟339之事來做一個區隔他就是回到一般的條款而已了他只有一個 就是就不會有加重二分之一的問題所以我們 這是我們的選擇嘛就是我們選擇這個就放過他的意思不給他加重的意思他還是有罪 17號 17已經是五年以下加重了我們並沒有放過他 已經有加重了"},{"start":31117.317,"end":31132.743,"text":"二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、九、十、九、十、十、九、十、九、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十"},{"start":31142.399,"end":31167.406,"text":"現在是4條,大家現在有共識了嗎?沒有共識。包委員,這個本來就是處罰一個集團的犯罪,那本身就會把組織犯罪也把它納進來。我理解啦,但是我們希望說,我們是要,刑法是一條嘛,刑法本來就有,你再立這個法就是因為要表達我們要更"},{"start":31168.226,"end":31170.447,"text":"審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員"},{"start":31195.157,"end":31219.657,"text":"一年以上、七年以下,現在又要跳到三年以上。當然會一個人而已,因為條件兩個重複,然後一下子就跳了兩次。這樣子會不會有一點處罰過重了。那我們現在處罰集團犯罪。主席,您要保留的條款就讓我保留一下好不好。好好好。我們再來想一想啦,好不好。好。那我們44條我們就保留,好不好。"},{"start":31225.86,"end":31252.012,"text":"來我再來補充補充報告針對33條就照行政院的版本通過本來是加廣告廣告因為對我們刑事警察警來賠償有問題好謝謝黃珊珊委員是主委不好意思那這樣子剛剛那個制裁辦公室的部分是不是請相關單位來我們辦公室我們再討論一下可能的做法好嗎"},{"start":31252.532,"end":31260.57,"text":"二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、"},{"start":31267.217,"end":31288.809,"text":"黃委員報告一下針對委員這個版本44條第3項我這邊是司法院刑事廳我報告一下針對44條第3項草案的部分跟委員講一個實例如果依照委員這個版本是要5年以上10年以下可是如果這個草案過的話他可能適用到的對象可能就是一般的小車手"},{"start":31289.91,"end":31317.99,"text":"因為一般的小車手很可能就是犯339知識第一項各款再加上組織犯罪防制條例第三條第一項後段因為他只要三年以上就在實務上就很容易構成組織犯罪條例的參與組織罪那基本上如果是小車手或是小搜捕手他一旦就構成這個五年以上十二年以下徒刑之罪以下從一年以上變五年以上我覺得這個刑度一下子提升的太多那這是第一個第二個就是說如果一旦他變成這麼嚴重的罪的話"},{"start":31318.49,"end":31336.115,"text":"二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、九、十、一、二、三、四、五、六、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、"},{"start":31346.67,"end":31352.892,"text":"二、三、四條我們就保留嘛你那個到時候到委員辦公室做個報告好不好好不要耽誤時間好不好好那現在我們討論45條修正動議有我們香港報告"},{"start":31377.96,"end":31402.109,"text":"四十五條修正動議習以貞委員條次照院版這照行政院條文我們處理台灣民眾黨提案第五十四條一百七十五頁要回營了我們這樣不處理"},{"start":31404.517,"end":31415.719,"text":"四十六條因為台灣民眾黨還有我們習以正委員第四十六條也是條次那是七條也是我們習以正委員也是照行政院版是八條"},{"start":31435.759,"end":31436.74,"text":"施法院令修正動議"},{"start":31458.726,"end":31474.119,"text":"那是9條的修正動議我先說明一下好 謝謝那個詐欺犯犯罪受徒刑之職這是講要進去關之後啦如果要怎麼樣才能假釋啦那一般來講不是說到一定的時間嗎我們加一條啦經濟能訓練檢定成績合格啦"},{"start":31474.799,"end":31502.18,"text":"讓他在監獄裡面習得一技之長改過自新這樣子才能假釋充分發揮輔導犯罪人的這個功能這是一個那我看司法院的意見我也非常同意就是說如果行為人屬少年以少年時間主義把相關規定辦理文字就有兩條就文字就一起進去修正通過看看大家意見好來各位有沒有意見我們司法院好來來來做說明"},{"start":31504.255,"end":31524.703,"text":"主席在座的委員以及先進大家好那司法院對於這條的部分呢簡單補充謝謝剛才牛委員的這個呃就是提醒吼就是因為我們這條是有關假釋的門檻規定然後我們少年事件處理法對於少年處罰的情況呢在我們的少事法第81條也有明定假釋的門檻"},{"start":31528.724,"end":31547.432,"text":"四十九條的規範是就有期徒刑執行完畢是針對是三年就是三分之二可以有這個假釋的門檻然後我們邵氏法的第八十一條第一項是針對受有期徒刑執行逾三分之一之後所以有兩個這個不同的起義"},{"start":31548.092,"end":31560.621,"text":"那為了避免呢法條解釋的這個疑議所以建議在本條增訂這個呃剛剛所說的就是有關少年的部分因應少年事件處理法相關規定辦理以上補充好謝謝好我們牛先聽委員啊剛才這兩個報告可以吧"},{"start":31568.218,"end":31584.028,"text":"審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具:「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案案案件、詐欺犯罪案案件、詐欺犯罪案案件、詐欺犯罪案案件、詐欺犯罪案案件、詐欺犯罪案案件、詐欺犯罪案案件、詐欺犯罪案案件、詐欺犯罪案案件、詐欺犯罪案案件、詐欺犯罪案案件、詐欺犯罪案案件、詐欺犯罪案案件、詐欺犯罪案案件、詐欺犯罪案案件、詐欺犯罪案案件、詐欺犯"},{"start":31597.594,"end":31624.863,"text":"提議的部分的話因為技能訓練在我們監所裡面它在假設審查的時候它本來就會有一定的一個條件那這個部分適不適合把它放在我們這個法律裡面就是來執行就感覺到好像沒有這樣的設計這是屬於矯正機關它內部在審查假設的一個規定那放在這裡好像在體力上好像有點不是"},{"start":31625.674,"end":31626.155,"text":"以比較沒有這樣子的設計,所以請委員參考。"},{"start":31634.19,"end":31656.839,"text":"喂 這個東西的目的就是要讓假釋的門檻變高嘛因為現在實務上大家在打詐的時候最生氣的是什麼第一個刑度太低嘛第二個三部一下子就假釋嘛所以現在大家挺而走險因為我不用付代價不用付成本我蹲個三個月五個月就出來了所以這是警戒給我的回饋嘛也就是說我花這麼久的時間去辦這個案子撐了好不容易把它送進大牢然後三五個月之後就假釋出來"},{"start":31657.796,"end":31678.427,"text":"那這假設過程中顯然我們的監獄沒有辦法發揮教化的功能就是一犯再犯然後就是變成一個惡性循環所以我想把這個條文放進去就把它明文化讓這個東西的其實讓他的難度變高也把這個東西貫徹進去人家真的去搞了一機之長之後你再犯的機率也比較低啦所以我是覺得還是把它列進去比較好好各位委員還有什麼看的嗎好那"},{"start":31687.375,"end":31703.514,"text":"針對我們行政單位有沒有什麼自愛難行這一次的草案呢就已經把假釋的門檻已經提高了那再加上這一個是不是有那個必要性就是說會不會造成"},{"start":31705.202,"end":31708.265,"text":"審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員"},{"start":31735.026,"end":31761.863,"text":"是不是我們牛委員是不是附帶在矯正機關要假釋的門檻裡面在我們這一部打詐的憲法裡面不要去加註這一段可不可以好啦不然不然這樣我們先保留一下啦那一樣來這個你實務上矯正機關這些SOP或什麼東西提供一個資料來先做一個說明嘛好我們看看狀況我們再來決定那邊先保留好不好好那我們"},{"start":31763.735,"end":31781.253,"text":"第49條就保留好謝謝好第50條的修正動議有王美惠委員、習以貞委員、麥一貞委員麥一貞委員不在就不處理"},{"start":31784.131,"end":31796.938,"text":"我的是條次主席在這兩人行政單位看他們可以如何處理好不好簡單講一下好啦我們行政單位來做說明他那個資料你有沒有來不好意思資料19月19月完美會所提的修正動議"},{"start":31820.98,"end":31821,"text":"第2、3、4、5、6、7、8、9、10、11、12、13、14、15、16、17、18、19、20、21、22、23、24、25、26、27、28、29、30、31、32、33、34、35、36、36、37、40、40、41、42、43、44、45、46、47、48、49、49、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50"},{"start":31828.434,"end":31851.565,"text":"包委員,檢察官具體求刑在我們的辦理刑事訴訟應行注意事項第101點裡面就有明文規定,對於惡性重大、嚴重危害社會治安的犯罪檢察官本來就可以具體求刑,所以並沒有說一定限制哪一個犯罪我們"},{"start":31852.95,"end":31873.811,"text":"檢察官提醒檢察官表現一點決心而已,不需要再特別去,其實檢察官利用別的法律我們也可以具體求行,那這裡只是一個提醒檢察官針對,這是一個態度的問題,就是說針對這個案子我們就可以具體求行。"},{"start":31874.565,"end":31888.556,"text":"二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、"},{"start":31896.528,"end":31919.186,"text":"50條造行政院版本通過第4章章明造行政院提案章明通過有沒有意見沒有意見,那我們通過報告我們委員會內政委員會我們延長開會時間大家有沒有意見"},{"start":31924.517,"end":31952.416,"text":"二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、"},{"start":31956.903,"end":31958.144,"text":"五十二條修正動議有黃潔委員、徐宇臻委員、 牛新平委員"},{"start":31982.228,"end":31996.158,"text":"五十二條我是想說因為期前防制法第十五之二條第七項裡面有就是這個犯罪的被害人有個案通報的機制那我在想說這一條是不是也應該要放進去讓這個"},{"start":31997.939,"end":32016.958,"text":"如果他是一些詐欺的被害人那有需要的話他應該要會同社福的主管機關建立個案的通報機制讓這些需要社會救助的個人或是家庭讓他們可以及時的獲得幫助就是洗防法裡面有啦"},{"start":32023.074,"end":32048.115,"text":"報告主席 剛才黃委員所問的內容其實就是51條的內容我們是利用165的一個專線就是說在獲得報案的時候其實我們就會有一些心理諮商、法律的輔助這些就會直接跟他接觸你52條如果再訂這些的話那51條就被架空了其實51條的作用就是在"},{"start":32049.396,"end":32065.506,"text":"犯罪被害人的話根據犯保法第3條的規定他是因為犯罪行為致生命、身體或性自主權遭受到侵害我們這一個犯罪是財產犯罪是不符合那個犯保法的規定"},{"start":32066.767,"end":32090.282,"text":"所以是因為是犯保法有規定他一定是他的生命或身體或者是性自主權或遭到侵害才會有犯保法的保護那這個財產上的犯罪是不符合那個法律的規定這是不符合那個法律的規定就是那個權益保障法裡面的規定"},{"start":32092.55,"end":32104.911,"text":"財產犯罪保護的不是這個部分在法條設計上內容就不一樣但是剛才要加的51條就已經可以有那個功能了所以是不是建議用院版"},{"start":32120.378,"end":32143.342,"text":"黃姊委員是不是照我們行政院版?因為51條比較是就是如果他民眾自己去他就自己去需要心理諮商什麼你們幫他轉介然後我指的是說就你們這個司法人員司法警察在執行業務的時候他有發現這樣的被害人他就可以會同社福的主管機關"},{"start":32144.912,"end":32164.044,"text":"就是他可以主動一點去跟社福機關去做接洽就主被動的差異還是對你們來說本來就是會有這個通報的機制如果有的話就就好對你們看一下那個文字其實不太一樣165的報案應該就可以啟動所有的關懷的"},{"start":32170.908,"end":32174.252,"text":"因為現在51條規定的就是這個狀況,我們設計的這51條目的就是在..."},{"start":32193.518,"end":32211.806,"text":"我們的犯保法第12條也有規定我唸一下警察機關跟檢察機關人員因執行職務認為有符合本法權益保障對象時應告知其得依本法申請保護服務及犯罪被害補償及自治權益"},{"start":32213.107,"end":32213.648,"text":"審查委員陳亭妃等16人"},{"start":32232.295,"end":32233.895,"text":"五十二條要照行政院版五十二條照行政院版"},{"start":32261.265,"end":32288.824,"text":"五十一條社會救助社會救助的必要之協助吧就增加這個字跡吧好修正通過好那我們就修正通過啦好謝謝好那五十二條也照行政院版好那我們現在來討論五十三條的修正動議我們習以貞委員"},{"start":32291.893,"end":32314.27,"text":"五十三條。這個也是條次。好。那都照行政院版通過。那五十四條。也是我們行政委員。也是條次。好。那照我們行政院版通過。那五十五條。也是照院版。好。那照行政院版通過。現在就是第五張上了。"},{"start":32318.637,"end":32331.903,"text":"五張張明照行政院提案張明通過,有沒有意見?沒有,就照行政院提名張明通過。再來就56條。"},{"start":32338.326,"end":32338.786,"text":"五十七條保留"},{"start":32362.928,"end":32376.16,"text":"好,那針對我們台灣民眾黨的提案第67條,因為民眾黨不在我們就不予處理,不予採納。好,那第58條也是民眾黨,我們也不予採納。"},{"start":32380.066,"end":32405.788,"text":"民眾黨委員徐宇貞委員徐宇貞委員徐宇貞委員徐宇貞委員徐宇貞委員徐宇貞委員徐宇貞委員徐宇貞委員徐宇貞委員徐宇貞委員徐宇貞委員徐宇貞委員徐宇貞委員徐宇貞委員徐宇貞委員徐宇貞委員徐宇貞委員徐宇貞委員徐宇貞委員徐宇貞委員徐宇貞委員徐宇貞委員徐宇貞委員徐宇貞委員徐宇貞委員徐宇貞委員徐宇貞委員徐�"},{"start":32409.198,"end":32426.471,"text":"負擔決議一、面對詐欺犯罪形態及技術不斷演變,各目的事業主管機關應提出具體方案,鼓勵民間以創新科技投入反詐作為防制及打擊詐騙危害,使詐欺犯罪危害防制條例等法案得以落實。提案人委員蘇巧慧等3人。"},{"start":32427.315,"end":32444.437,"text":"負擔決議二有關草案第43條以犯詐欺獲取一定金額以上之財物或財產上利益而未加重刑罰是由司法事務上以往就行為人對於該結果主觀上是否需有所認識多有其見為避免日後司法認定困難有關機關14本條"},{"start":32446.039,"end":32472.39,"text":"立法通過後於立法說明欄中明確揭示本條警系單純的量刑規定之加重變體規定並不具備構成要件的品質因此行為人主觀上就詐欺獲取之財物或財產商利益達新台幣一千萬元一截無需加以認識縱使認識錯誤亦不影響本罪之成立以表示立法者所採取之立場並確實反映國民法律感情提案人委員牛許廷等6人"},{"start":32473.936,"end":32499.061,"text":"附帶決議三、原鄉跟偏鄉因資訊落差利用網路查詢反詐資訊不易而原鄉跟偏鄉最有效的反詐宣導方案是透過人力宣傳因此有足夠警力的宣傳有其必要性為因應本法施行後原鄉跟偏鄉所需警力請內政部應適時補充以維護民眾的權益提案人為高金素美等4人"},{"start":32500.495,"end":32522.561,"text":"附帶決議四、原鄉跟偏鄉因諮詢落差利用網路查詢反詐諮詢不易,為讓原鄉跟偏鄉清楚知悉本法通過後對於民眾的保障與美意。因此,原請內政部於本法通過三個月內,在原住民族地區加強辦理法案說明會並將法案說明會的時間與地點的期程報告送至本委員會。提案人為高津、宿美等4人。"},{"start":32523.661,"end":32545.894,"text":"附帶決議五,行政院未執行防制打擊詐欺詐騙犯罪應涉中央詐欺詐騙犯罪防制匯報。中央詐欺詐騙犯罪防制匯報致召集人一人由行政院院長或副院長兼任,委員若干人由行政院院長就政務委員、有關機關首長及具有詐欺詐騙犯罪經驗之專家、學者派監或聘監之。"},{"start":32549.116,"end":32576.959,"text":"中央詐欺詐騙犯罪防制匯報至少每4個月開會一次,必要時可併入治安匯報辦理。第一項詐欺詐騙犯罪防制匯報決議之事項,各相關部會應落實執行。行政院應每季追蹤、管考、對外公告,並納入每會期向立法院提出之施政方針及施政報告。第一項之詐欺詐騙犯罪防制匯報之組成任務、議事程序及其他應遵行事項,由行政院定之。提案人委員徐欣穎等3人。"},{"start":32581.778,"end":32582.58,"text":"二、三、四、五、六、"},{"start":32597.824,"end":32614.804,"text":"2、3、4、5、6、7、8、9、10、11、12、13、14、15、16、17、18、19、20、21、22、23、24、25、26、27、28、29、30、31、32、33、34、35、36、37、40、40、41、42、43、44、45、45、46、47、48、49、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、"},{"start":32621.586,"end":32625.851,"text":"二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十"},{"start":32657.748,"end":32670.112,"text":"第八好請宣讀協商結論宣讀保留條文第八條、第十一條、第十二條、第十三條、第二十條、第四十四條、第四十九條及第五十七條條文宣讀完畢"},{"start":32672.642,"end":32698.357,"text":"請問各位委員照剛才協商結論通過請問有沒有異議好沒異議我們本次審查通過之條文條次條文部分文字及相關法之用以唆遣本席亦是人員整理作以下決議"},{"start":32701.661,"end":32713.915,"text":"討論事項:「詐欺犯罪危害防制條例草案等三案與併案審查環境,擬具審查報告提報院會討論。」請問在場委員需不需經黨團協商?"},{"start":32719.722,"end":32729.607,"text":"二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十"},{"start":32750.108,"end":32750.128,"text":"第2、3、4、5、6、7、8、9、10、11、12、13、14、15、16、17、18、19、20、21、22、23、24、25、26、27、28、29、30、31、32、33、34、35、36、37、40、40、41、42、43、44、45、46、47、48、49、49、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50"},{"start":32777.041,"end":32790.744,"text":"審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人審查委員陳亭妃等16人"},{"start":32802.683,"end":32802.703,"text":"第2、3、4、5、6、7、8、9、10、11、12、13、14、15、16、17、18、19、20、21、22、23、24、25、26、27、28、29、30、31、32、33、34、35、36、37、38、39、40、40、41、42、43、44、45、46、47、48、49、50、50、51、52、52、53、53、54、54、55、56、56、56、57、57、58、59、59、59、59、60、59、60、59、60、59、60、60、60、60、60、60、60、60、60、60、60、60、60、60、60、60、60、60、60、60、60、60、60、60、60、60、60、60、60、60、60、60、60、60、60、60、60"},{"start":32833.785,"end":32841.432,"text":"二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、九、十、九、十、十、九、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}