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年6月以來，還有一些非正式的公開說明會，比方有一些報關行等等，這些都有持續在溝通。但是自用部分在標準作業程序上，在通過委員會、10月30號之前確實這邊是沒有異議的。"],["魯委員明哲：好，這部分是你們自己的行政考量、行政的裁量，你們覺得需要，你們行政機關有法令的授權。但法令授權在你考量的時候，我覺得應該要有更多徵詢到未來會被徵收到的，你的政策改變會影響到的部分，他需要參與意見的表達，這個部分也沒有經過立法院的審議，那跟立法院任何一個公聽會或者委員的任何一個臨時提案有什麼關係嗎？750塊，有關係嗎？"],["陳代理主任委員崇樹：有關係，因為這個就是法規命令，這個收費標準就是法規命令，法規命令的SOP就是，在預告階段必須要撒出去給不特定的對象，還有一些相關機關包括消基會等等，都會來諮詢意見。所以剛剛跟委員報告，我們那個階段其實大概都有諮詢，包括這次提案，「眾開講」平臺都有在諮詢。"],["魯委員明哲：簡單來講，我們很多委員都一樣，公告實施民怨開始的時候，我沒注意到這個問題，我們現在特別調你資料的時候，看到9月5號你們辦一個非常盛大的公聽會，叫說明會、公開說明會。我在想，因為你們在整個修正這個規費部分，當然可能有很多項，其中有一項是個人自用的，郵寄2部以下的，這個部分可能只是其中之一。可是我不知道你們當時有沒有想到它的影響、後座力有多大，後面的後座力感覺你們也沒開始應變，讓我感覺其實你們剛開始想得好像沒有這麼嚴重。我也發覺，你們當時想的，我看到了，你們在公開說明會，不是說光網路公告隨便的人都可以來，你這次邀請了二十幾個單位，從中華電信到相關的進口公司、銷售公司，包括什麼香港商、電信公司，所有的企業、法人都邀了。請問一下，750塊，個人、民生的，自己用的、郵寄的，你當天安排誰去做這個正式會議的代表？你有邀請消基會嗎？或者你安排這些公司，誰代表？有沒有嘛？你就不要辯了，有還是沒有？"],["陳代理主任委員崇樹：跟委員報告，因為個人自用是不特定的大眾，我們在草案諮詢階段也有同步在「眾開講」平臺裡頭公告，眾開講平臺是對不特定對象，就像後來人家在提案的那個平臺一樣，所以那個是for不特定對象的，我們草案都有放在那邊去諮詢意見。"],["魯委員明哲：你決策的時候在想的事情跟結果發生的事情，顯然差距非常大，所以我們現在倒過來說，以後不要再發生這樣的事情了！像這樣你會面臨很大的……我跟你講，金額上可能是，這些企業也許會變動得比較大，但是以人數、影響到的人，絕對是個人的……郵購已經變成一種現在買東西的型態。所以我是倒過來說，你當天連消基會或者包括這些不管是電玩代表或者常用這些的個人業者，其實有一些代表，我相信在第一階段就會反映意見給你，我也希望你們能夠注意這個問題，好不好？"],["陳代理主任委員崇樹：好，沒問題，我們會記取這次教訓。"],["魯委員明哲：好，我今天要問的第二個問題，沒辦法，時代在變，近8年我們看到有線電視訂戶的變化，從106年全國兩千一百多萬戶，平均而言，我們現在兩千三百多萬人，好像差不多兩千多萬，因為搞不好一戶有兩個，甚至有公司的部分，一直到去（113）年下降了16%，訂戶逐年下降。逐年下降已經變成一個趨勢，甚至有線電視業者自己也改變，他也變成透過網路了，他也不是有線電視，有些也走無線。這樣的趨勢，第一個，對你的一些業務或者相關服務、未來的想法、你的政策，我覺得這個趨勢是重要的一個點，現在在逐年下降的過程中。我講其中一個點，廣電基金是隨著用戶量，訂戶數乘以資費，再乘以1%，會變成全臺灣注入你的……我用簡稱，名字太長了，就以廣電基金來看，因為這個趨勢，廣電基金也從8年前的大概一年可以收3.6億，到去（113）年是2.8億，降幅事實上比戶數降得更多，為什麼？因為這幾年又在討論資費，以前都可以收580、520元，現在事實上相關的訂戶搞不好可以特選，我只要看新聞臺、我只要看什麼，所以搞不好有些是300元，廣電基金大幅縮水，這兩個趨勢。","最後我也會讓你回答，現在廣電基金的分配跟用途，我們還蠻關心這個問題，地方政府占40%，NCC留用30%，捐贈給公視30%。包括地方政府、公視跟你的用途都不太一樣，其他兩個不在，那我就請教NCC，因為這30%裡面，你們具體的計畫是說你分到了廣電基金，主要會針對有線電視發展、災害復建計畫跟品質提升的整個計畫。未來持續減少可能是不可逆的趨勢，我想請教陳主委，你對於這樣的趨勢影響廣電基金，甚至未來適用的這3個單位，你有什麼看法或者未來有什麼樣的建議？"],["陳代理主任委員崇樹：跟委員報告，目前這個是在有廣法第四十五條有相關的規定，即便是NCC留用30%裡頭，用的一些規定都有一些條件限制。至於長遠來看這一塊要怎麼處理，我們大概有三個方向，第一個就是利用有限的有廣基金，請有線電視業者持續改善他的服務品質，也鼓勵他，他們是順應時代變化，甚至於現在大部分的有線電視，大型的MSO大概都有靠攏OTT 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