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去個十趟一趟補助他那個什麼旅遊費一萬塊他都願意去他都願意去喔願意去的話就一個月只要花個十萬塊一年不過花一百二十萬像這種事情觀光署風景管理處都可以去做的嘛"},{"start":377.185,"end":403.848,"text":"是不是巡迴街頭做一些藝人的表演也不錯也不一定整天都待在那個坑道裡面是不是是你在外面街頭也可以表演住信什麼等等部長你覺得呢我覺得馬祖的整體觀光環境非常好值得推廣那我們也會來努力委員其實也一直都在交代跟指導很多的工作我們其實我聽觀光組在說也都蠻配合"},{"start":405.269,"end":423.368,"text":"部長知道我是不敢啦,因為畢竟你們真的是專業啦所以我也期待交通部還有州署長這邊好不好對馬祖這個部分多努力一下好不好因為真的很慘,網路上都罵翻了我也跟我們的鄉親報告可是很像最近訂房率很像不錯"},{"start":424.629,"end":453.749,"text":"五到八月份慢慢就上來了五到八月份狀況很像還不錯,所以有些人說訂不到房但是真的還是加油,五月以前真的很糟糕那我也跟鄉親報告,這全世界的我們全國性的,尤其大陸旅客不來,我們現在歡迎不歡迎大陸旅客來?很歡迎一直都歡迎,只是小兩會的溝通他們一直不願意接受你不要去擋嘛沒有擋,只是他們不願意開始談"},{"start":454.829,"end":475.686,"text":"大家不要吵架嘛你們吵吵鬧鬧在那邊你言我語的都沒有講好話自然把氣氛就搞壞了嘛氣氛搞壞怎麼來的是不是所以福州那邊我不是跟通匪幹什麼沒有這個回事喔而是說希望我們藉著"},{"start":477.656,"end":486.956,"text":"藉著金門馬祖,能夠把兩岸的一些問題,我們希望和平,希望能夠緩和好不好好那周市長你請回好不好"},{"start":488.376,"end":501.842,"text":"我接下來要詢問的是北竿機場擴建的期程北竿機場的擴建已經啟動了因為地區部分有心人士這個誤用數據那麼做了一些錯誤的訊息傳達給鄉親我希望部長對本席能夠"},{"start":512.145,"end":531.624,"text":"很清楚的報告北竿機場新建的騎乘到底需要多少時間當然今天如果講得不夠完整的話我們等駿馬祖交通考察的時候我們來共同面對鄉親他們提出的疑問我們來給他做解答"},{"start":533.17,"end":548.243,"text":"這裡面北竿機場的擴建,進行跑道公營,這個工程很像先由港務公司來承包做一些維提、維提等等這些作業這裡面工程大概幾乎佔了機場的三分之二還有做沉箱什麼的那2024年底正式"},{"start":562.606,"end":589.154,"text":"施工的澳門機場,他也是邊坐邊走主席你請坐好不好,我再給我兩分鐘,謝謝,很快我們也可以根據澳門機場的新建的狀況你可以邊坐邊走嘛,是不是既然有這些先例,本市也希望交通部能夠一力對北竿機場跑道的擴建工程"},{"start":590.793,"end":610.184,"text":"降低施工率,對北竿的影響盡量能夠降低,這一點你先回答我好不好?謝謝報告委員,我們在細部設計的時候會盡量把那個影響的部分降低,您今天在提醒何局長先回答我一下何局長,就你所知的部分回答我一下好不好?"},{"start":611.465,"end":630.517,"text":"有關這個就是說在違體造地期間包含未來的施工期間大概之前都一直在講七年多的時間那本來是說我們是用最保守的方式來說會關廠嘛那可是未來在細設的時候就是在港公司這個建造標細設的時候我們會來考慮未來營運期間的董事長你也幫忙一下好不好"},{"start":634.819,"end":641.429,"text":"幫忙一下,儘量晚上施工,夜間施工,不影響飛航的時間好不好"},{"start":643.867,"end":669.406,"text":"目前我們在準備那個前置作業在準備備標那備標以後找到選商了以後因為你們在施工的時候就不影響飛行的安全嘛所有的情況我們都會納入考量那麼大概民航局的部分就是跑到撲滅嘛是不是撲滅的時間應該一兩年就完工了所以盡量朝著兩年的時間去走好不好那董事長你請回另外我想請問一下局長"},{"start":671.67,"end":690.56,"text":"高雄到馬祖的航線6月6號啟航我上次在總諮詢的時候曾經提出來有哪個縣市要用補貼的政策來處理它既然是固定的航線,而且是新開的航線我希望交通部這邊"},{"start":692.763,"end":718.7,"text":"你不要限制我來出錢嘛好不好剩下的問題我也跟部長報告過,部長也承諾啊可是之前像是縣政府有說他們要補貼嘛目前現在他是定期航線目前短的時間,限制我補貼一些沒關係但是你們這邊要去檢討了好不好跟你們一些時間去檢討我們希望他的運量能夠拉起來當然當然那票價確定了沒有"},{"start":721.702,"end":750.373,"text":"票價已經核定了票價已經核定了嘛那你也督導那個華信趕快報來好不好因為我們有一些行程要安排還有就是北竿北竿航空站的停車場目前一共是81加3有81個是81個位置是樓下的停車場3個位置是遊覽車的嘛84個目前固定停車的大概只有一成五只有8部車子停在裡面"},{"start":751.633,"end":764.698,"text":"那聆聽大概只有個為數我之前你們要求說三個月滾動式檢討因為當然有審計部審計的問題在裡面審計的問題可能你們也會面臨檢討那現在原來講說三個月調整到兩個月滾動式檢討局長我拜託是不是能夠一個月現在就開始滾動檢討因為你那邊變成一個蚊子館"},{"start":780.075,"end":798.052,"text":"我想跟委員報告我想蓋的北竿機場應該不是要讓它變成文字館我們還是會希望北竿的現在已經是啦那現在大概因為剛開始嘛那現在大概是一層多那目前來講我們還是會跟縣府再來一起合作啦看看如何來鼓勵鄉親不然你趕快開會嘛好不好"},{"start":799.253,"end":817.951,"text":"對那至於滾動檢討部分我們再觀察一下你們能不能責成這個民營航空站趕快去縣政府討論然後對民眾還是共同來討論一下因為現在月租一千二嘛其實現在訂的價格大概已經打折了他們原來縣政府那個是山龍那邊停車場是六百啦"},{"start":819.52,"end":837.107,"text":"你看老闆一車子不停進去,滿街還是車子我們的停車位可惜了,我想民防局也不是要賺錢嘛,是不是你起碼收一點租金,維持清潔費就可以了好不好好,何市長你請回,最後一個就是馬祖大橋"},{"start":840.427,"end":862.599,"text":"我那一種事情對院長回答我真的很不滿意你怎麼英國的商人來可以推算出來需要四百多億、三百八十七億這個數字哪裡來的你聽聽世襲的說法好不好我想說英商我也不便去推翻他他什麼都沒有他只是根據世襲的"},{"start":867.408,"end":886.524,"text":"這個結構設計,綜合計畫的設計,然後算出來,那世襲那是假的嗎?你叫世襲去算嘛,算一下是不是跟行政院再報告一下?不然院長他不是很瞭解,你看我那天跟世襲在瞭解還不知道勒,連這個案子連看都沒看到,這還得了啊我們再跟世襲來瞭解好不好,我想立法委員再立法院的質詢"},{"start":887.967,"end":899.326,"text":"院長一定要了認於胸,不能說連案子都沒看到你也可以追蹤嘛,因為委員在詢問啊是不是部長這點請你幫忙一下好不好好那謝謝主席耽誤你的時間,謝謝"}]},"gazette":{"lineno":732,"blocks":[["陳委員雪生：（11時26分）謝謝主席，請交通部陳部長、觀光署周署長及民航局何局長。"],["主席：請部長、署長、局長。"],["陳部長世凱：委員好。"],["陳委員雪生：部長好。2023年5月1號疫情解封以後，國人出國旅遊的人數大增，但是來臺旅遊的國際旅客人數卻沒有達到我們的預期，以致國內旅遊的市場大幅衰退，衰退的程度尤以離島最為顯著，也就是金門、馬祖及澎湖，赴離島旅遊的人數也大幅衰減。國旅衰退，離島旅遊崩壞，離島居民的生計就受到影響，因為我們以觀光立縣嘛，離島的觀光相關產業現在只能靠吃老本，吃老本硬撐到現在，已經面臨到民宿關閉、餐廳歇業的困境。但隨著國際旅遊型態的改變，單一只是做官網是不夠的，現在官網已經沒人看了，因為現在的型態已經改變了，希望能夠深化馬祖景區，推動各鄉觀光的廊帶，以吸引更多觀光客到離島去旅遊，這比較重要。本席希望交通部及觀光署對離島地區挹注更多的經費，我希望能夠三年有15億的經費去深化離島的景區，對於旅遊的行銷，現在的網路已經不符期待了，都是社群、媒體，也請觀光署督促風景管理處，或是觀光署這邊對離島的一些景點能夠多做宣傳。我看電視上常常有一些宣傳嘛，但很少講到馬祖、金門，金門當然會比較多一點啦。","離島旅宿業者原本期望開放陸團來，但陸團來問題很多，縣長、議長跟我，我們常常去福建招攬觀光客，當然我們也有我們的原因，我們的民宿滿貴的，團費大概要1萬出頭，所以有些人就寧願到韓國比較便宜的地方去旅遊了。然後比如有個媽祖團要來，但內政部說要拿財報、會計報告，但我們那個廟哪有這個東西，沒有嘛！還有體育團體要來還要送到體育署去審查，審查又不通過，裡面有一些官方的人又不准他來，他來有什麼關係呢？到馬祖來，馬祖如果會被吃掉的話，如果要被統戰早就被統戰走了，是不是？所以有一些事情不要把它邊緣化。像昨天有一個姓陳的到馬祖去說陳雪生是中共的走狗，我是它走狗嗎？是不是？這亂講話，說我短命什麼的，你這種罷免的操作不符期待，所以被老百姓罵，老百姓通通站出來罵，他被罵完以後落荒而逃，今天已經回來了。我是說在部長協調相關部門時，能不能人家要來就讓他們來嘛，我們去弄了老半天，然後你們這邊又去阻擋，是不是？像臺灣的陸客開放團，他們說要透過什麼小兩會，我那天回來跟周署長講過了，小兩會他們是同意開的耶，他們同意開小兩會喔，不是不同意，因為小兩會是次團體嘛，但我們好像又在擋，我們這邊又把它叫停了，所以陸客來沒有問題啊！"],["陳部長世凱：如果他們願意透過小兩會，我們非常歡迎啊，不會喊停。"],["陳委員雪生：他們願意啊！"],["陳部長世凱：我們也很願意啊！"],["陳委員雪生：那你們主動去談嘛！人家已經釋出善意了，臺灣還在罵……"],["陳部長世凱：我們其實有向對岸表達，小兩會之間的會議希望能夠開啟啦！"],["陳委員雪生：好，部長，我剛剛問的問題，你回答我一下，好不好？"],["陳部長世凱：目前是他們沒有給我們回應。"],["陳委員雪生：我剛剛提到離島觀光的事情要去加強……"],["陳部長世凱：好。"],["陳委員雪生：比如像慢跑活動、慢城，你們說慢城的話全國都有，那換個名稱嘛，是不是？把機制啟動嘛！慢城啦、慢跑啦，或是其他你能夠做的嘛，我們北海坑道可以充分利用嘛，你可以找一些小提琴樂手在我們的北海坑道裡面去拉小提琴，望春風啊什麼的，那個拉得令人如癡如醉……"],["陳部長世凱：對，我有去聽過，真的非常好。"],["陳委員雪生：你聽過嘛！"],["陳部長世凱：我去聽過，非常好。"],["陳委員雪生：現在很多有登記的街頭藝人啊，你可以跟他訂嘛，比如說一個月去個四趟、去個十趟，一趟補助他旅費1萬塊，他都願意去耶，這樣一個月只要花個10萬塊，一年不過花個120萬，像這種事情，觀光署、風景管理處都可以去做的嘛，是不是？巡迴街頭做一些藝人表演，也不錯啊，也不一定整天都待在那個坑道裡面啊，是不是？"],["陳部長世凱：是。"],["陳委員雪生：在外面街頭上也可以表演啊，助興啊，什麼等等嘛，部長你覺得呢？"],["陳部長世凱：我覺得馬祖的整體觀光環境非常好啦，值得推廣，我們也會來努力，其實一直以來委員都交代跟指導很多的工作，我聽觀光署在處理也都滿配合，也都全力在協助……"],["陳委員雪生：部長，指導我是不敢啦，畢竟你們真的是專業啦，所以我也期待交通部還有周署長這邊針對馬祖的部分多努力一下，好不好？"],["陳部長世凱：是。"],["陳委員雪生：因為真的很慘，網路上都罵翻了，我也跟我們的鄉親報告……"],["陳部長世凱：可是最近訂房率好像不錯，最近很多人跟我反映說……"],["陳委員雪生：就5到8月份慢慢就上來了。"],["陳部長世凱：對，5到8月份的狀況好像還不錯，所以有些人說訂不到房。"],["陳委員雪生：5到8月份慢慢上來了，但是真的還是加油啦！"],["陳部長世凱：要，要努力。"],["陳委員雪生：5月以前真的很糟糕啊，我也跟鄉親報告這是全世界的、全國性的，尤其大陸旅客不來，請問我們現在歡迎不歡迎大陸旅客來？"],["陳部長世凱：很歡迎啊。"],["陳委員雪生：很歡迎嗎？"],["陳部長世凱：一直都歡迎，只是小兩會的溝通他們一直不願意接受嘛。"],["陳委員雪生：不是，很歡迎就不要去擋嘛！"],["陳部長世凱：沒有擋，只是他們不願意開始談。"],["陳委員雪生：大家不要吵架嘛！"],["陳部長世凱：是，沒有錯。"],["陳委員雪生：在那邊吵吵鬧鬧的，你一言我一語的，都沒有講好話，自然把氣氛就搞壞了嘛，氣氛搞壞人還怎麼來呢，是不是？所以福州那邊，我有跟他們……我不是通匪或幹什麼，沒有這回事喔！而是希望藉著金門、馬祖，對於兩岸的一些問題，我們希望能夠和平，希望能夠緩和，好不好？"],["陳部長世凱：好。"],["陳委員雪生：周署長，請回。","接下來要詢問的是北竿機場擴建的期程，北竿機場的擴建已經啟動了，因為地區部分有心人士誤用數據，做了一些錯誤的訊息傳達給鄉親，我希望部長能夠很清楚的報告本席，北竿機場興建的期程到底需要多少時間？當然，今天如果講得不夠完整的話，我們等交通委員會去馬祖考察的時候共同面對鄉親們提出的疑問，我們來給他們做解答啦！有關北竿機場的擴建，要進行跑道東移，這個工程好像先由港務公司來承包做一些圍堤作業……"],["陳部長世凱：對，港務公司現在辦理設計跟監造的招標。"],["陳委員雪生：這裡面工程大概幾乎占了機場的三分之二，還有做沉箱什麼的。2024年底正式施工的澳門機場也是邊做邊走……主席，你請坐，好不好？再給我2分鐘，謝謝，很快的。"],["主席：1分鐘啦，大家都在等。"],["陳委員雪生：我們也可以根據澳門機場的興建狀況，你可以邊做邊走嘛，是不是？既然有這些先例，本席也希望交通部能夠依例針對北竿機場跑道的擴建工程，讓施工對北竿航班的影響儘量能夠降低，這一點你先回答我，好不好？謝謝。"],["陳部長世凱：報告委員，我們在細部設計的時候會儘量把影響的部分降低，您今天再次提醒，我們在設計的過程中……"],["陳委員雪生：是不是請何局長先回答我一下？何局長，就你所知的部分回答我一下，好不好？"],["何局長淑萍：有關在圍堤造地期間，包含未來的施工期間，大概之前都已經講了，是七年多的時間，本來我們是用最保守的方式來說會關場嘛，可是未來在細設的時候，就是在港公司監造標細設的時候，我們會來考慮未來營運期間的相關搭配……"],["陳委員雪生：董事長，你也幫忙一下，好不好？幫忙一下，儘量晚上施工、夜間施工，不影響飛航的時間，好不好？"],["李董事長賢義：目前我們在準備前置作業，在準備備標，備標後找到選商了以後……"],["陳委員雪生：因為你們在施工的時候就不影響飛行的安全嘛！"],["李董事長賢義：所有的情況我們都會納入考量……"],["陳委員雪生：民航局的部分就是跑道鋪面嘛，是不是？鋪面的時間應該一、兩年就完工了啦，所以儘量朝著兩年的時間去走，好不好？","董事長，請回。","另外我想請問一下局長，高雄到馬祖的航線6月6號啟航嘛？"],["何局長淑萍：對，他們目前規劃……"],["陳委員雪生：我上次在總質詢的時候曾經提出來，有哪個縣市要用補貼的政策來處理？既然是固定的航線，而且是新開的航線，我希望交通部這邊不要縣政府來出錢嘛，好不好？剩下的問題我也跟部長報告過，部長也承諾還要回去檢討。"],["陳部長世凱：可是之前好像是縣政府有說他們要補貼嘛！"],["何局長淑萍：目前是定期航線，如果……"],["陳委員雪生：目前短時間內縣政府補貼一些沒關係，但是你們這邊要去檢討了，好不好？給你們一些時間去檢討，好不好？"],["陳部長世凱：我們希望它的運量能夠拉起來，運量拉起來就不用補貼了。"],["陳委員雪生：當然、當然，票價核定了沒有？"],["陳部長世凱：所以朝這個方向先來努力。"],["何局長淑萍：票價已經核定了。"],["陳委員雪生：票價已經核定了嘛，那你也督導華信趕快報來，好不好？因為我們有一些行程要安排。還有就是北竿航空站的停車場目前一共是81加3，有81個位置是樓下的停車場，3個位置是遊覽車的，共計84個，目前固定停車的大概只有一成五，只有8部車子停在裡面，臨停大概只有個位數。之前是說三個月滾動式檢討，當然有審計部的審計問題在裡面，審計的問題可能你們也會面臨檢討嘛，原來講說三個月調整到二個月滾動式檢討，局長，我拜託是不是能夠改為一個月，現在就開始滾動檢討？因為那邊變成一個蚊子館了啊！"],["何局長淑萍：跟委員報告，我想蓋北竿機場應該不是要讓它變成蚊子館，我們還是會希望北竿的鄉親來運用……"],["陳委員雪生：現在已經是了啊，所以……"],["何局長淑萍：因為剛開始嘛，現在大概是一成多，目前來講，我們還是會跟縣府一起合作啦，看看如何鼓勵鄉親儘量運用……"],["陳委員雪生：你趕快開會嘛，好不好？"],["何局長淑萍：對，至於滾動檢討的部分，我們再觀察一下，看看狀況，因為現在……"],["陳委員雪生：你們能不能責成民用航空站趕快跟縣政府討論，然後對民眾……還是共同來討論一下嘛！"],["何局長淑萍：因為現在月租1,200元，其實現在訂的價格大概已經打折了……"],["陳委員雪生：縣政府那邊三樓的停車場大概是600元啦，你看，老百姓的車子不停進去，滿街還是車子，我們的停車位可惜了……"],["何局長淑萍：所以這個我們會跟縣府再一起來合作。"],["陳委員雪生：我想民航局也不是要賺錢嘛，是不是？你起碼弄一點……"],["何局長淑萍：我們還是希望它充分運用……"],["陳委員雪生：收一點租金維持清潔費就可以了，好不好？","何局長，你請回。","最後一個就是馬祖大橋，部長，我對於那天總質詢時院長的回答真的很不滿意，怎麼英國的商人來可以推算出來需要四百多億，387億，這個數字哪裡來的？你聽聽世曦的說法，好不好？好不好？我想說英商的我也不便去推翻它啦，它什麼東西都沒有，只是根據世曦的結構設計、綜合計畫的設計，然後算出來，那世曦的東西是假的嗎？你叫世曦去算嘛，算一下之後，是不是跟行政院再報告一下，不然院長他不是很了解……"],["陳部長世凱：好，我們跟世曦再瞭解。"],["陳委員雪生：你看我那天總質詢的時候，院長還不知道咧，這個案子連看都沒看到，這還得了啊！"],["陳部長世凱：我們再跟世曦來瞭解這個狀況。"],["陳委員雪生：好不好？對於立法委員在立法院的質詢，我認為院長一定要了然於胸，不能連案子都沒看到。"],["陳部長世凱：是。"],["陳委員雪生：你也可以追蹤嘛！因為委員已經提出詢問了，是不是？"],["陳部長世凱：是。"],["陳委員雪生：部長，這一點請你幫忙一下，好不好？"],["陳部長世凱：好。"],["陳委員雪生：謝謝主席，耽誤你的時間了，謝謝。"],["陳部長世凱：謝謝委員。"],["陳委員雪生：謝謝部長。"],["主席：謝謝，並不會耽誤我的時間，只是因為太多人了，我比較不好意思，請大家稍微控制一下時間。","現在請徐富癸委員。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":160,"meet_id":"委員會-11-3-23-6","speakers":["許智傑","洪孟楷","李昆澤","何欣純","黃健豪","林俊憲","魯明哲","廖先翔","陳素月","林國成","陳雪生","徐富癸","邱若華","蔡其昌","游顥","楊瓊瓔","黃建賓","莊瑞雄","盧縣一","鄭天財Sra 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