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我請那個署長好了"},{"start":553.837,"end":581.418,"text":"沒有找你上來怪怪的光光一直覺得不是太理想蘇長我一直跟你講那個數字管理很重要當然你現在部長只是就是說院裡面現在要成立這個叫做光光的研訓院那我再一次強調數字的管理沒有數字的管理我隨便舉一個例子大家都在講墾丁貴那墾丁真的貴嗎"},{"start":583.103,"end":610.265,"text":"如果你作為觀光主管機關我問你說墾丁真的貴嗎其實你沒有辦法說服我墾丁貴或不貴因為你沒有數據嘛就你沒有任何的做以數據或者觀光趨勢的這種預測因為那你要預測也要有數據嘛所以這些你都沒有的情況下其實你沒有辦法回答我這個問題那我再問你住房率對不對很多人覺得台灣的房價很高"},{"start":611.519,"end":635.94,"text":"每一個人講這個話我相信他都是有憑有據啦因為什麼這是他的旅遊感受可是呢我也常常遇到我自己的旅遊感受我打電話想要去住一個地方每次打去他都跟我說客滿那你就知道一個國家不可能存在著有一些地方老是你打去跟他說他客滿然後有的人說喔這個這個飯店快要倒了"},{"start":637.125,"end":655.186,"text":"到底是要倒了還是生意太好那表示有可能是形態的不同譬如說度假型的可能生意沒有那麼好商務型的可能很好因為隨著台積電隨著外資的投資所以商務型的可能很好那區域也有關係譬如說高雄市人家陳其邁每天都在辦"},{"start":656.147,"end":668.539,"text":"每個禮拜都在辦各大型的這些藝文活動國際的藝文活動所以可能國際課進來台灣課也跑去高雄住所以高雄可能好可能好因為我也沒有數據嘛"},{"start":669.673,"end":696.472,"text":"那這些數據其實是作為觀光主管機關我常常對觀光署長我都特別的寬容是因為我一直講台灣要觀光立國你把觀光署長罵到死台灣也不會觀光立國因為觀光要立國就要靠行政院靠所有的縣市首長要有旅行的旅遊的DNA才有可能做到不然的話你要蓋出那麼醜的東西整個城市治安亂七八糟的誰會去所以那個DNA是要大家一起啦"},{"start":697.182,"end":726.426,"text":"但是做一個觀光署署長對於觀光趨勢跟觀光資源到底怎麼去解決這些問題你應該要功夫要下在這裡功夫要下在這裡譬如說人家說墾丁的墾丁大街食物貴那食物真的貴嗎我相信一定有害群之馬他故意賣的很貴然後就有人吃到那一家現在的社群媒體太發達了他吃到那一家之後就開始說這個地方爛死了"},{"start":727.116,"end":747.655,"text":"他有沒有造謠 他沒有 他真的就買到很貴的啊可是其他沒有賣很貴的人誰知道他們在哪裡當然叫觀光署做這個很困難 這要結合屏東縣政府再結合在地的觀光業者願不願意組織起來自救只要他們願意組織起來 政府的力量進去公告出"},{"start":748.803,"end":762.008,"text":"便宜的東西在哪裡不是便宜啦就是經濟實惠又合理的東西在哪裡這個是政府的責任嘛因為業者他沒有辦法他自己沒辦法面對這個輿論市場跟整個整個這個這個這個這個"},{"start":765.245,"end":777.496,"text":"所有所有的集體的業者但政府可以協助我覺得這反而是應該觀光署要做的事情否則我們在這個在這裡我已經講了快20年了從你們部長當我助理就開始講這個問題講到今天我們還是在講這個問題"},{"start":780.609,"end":799.785,"text":"老師還是在講同樣的問題嘛所以我的意思說觀光署應該清楚去定位從觀光局變觀光署到底觀光署要做什麼把全台灣的觀光叫觀光署一個人做那是那是笑話啦這種國家會發展出來好觀光我才覺得這是有問題的時間到了主席都已經受不了要站起來了"},{"start":801.18,"end":817.887,"text":"市長你不用回答了啦 因為已經來不及了啦 已經時間到了啦那最後我給你提醒 像那個公佈啊像有一些像阿根廷成長39% 37%還是30幾%那個我覺得那個就不用特別去強調啦你要公佈沒有問題 但不用特別強調為什麼 因為他成長30幾%總人數都還不到1000人"},{"start":822.449,"end":846.775,"text":"那人家就會覺得 你是在欺騙大家 其實你可能沒有這個意思啦你可能只是把所有的成長的狀況 以序列來排列而已可是如果這樣的東西被做文章 好像一副觀光局就在強調說有啊 有成長啊 像阿根廷就有突破成長三十幾趴 結果人數幾百個成長三十幾趴之後幾百個"},{"start":847.435,"end":856.038,"text":"日韓比較有意義這個就鬧笑話 這個就會人家覺得你浩大喜功以偏概全好不好時間的關係啦 不好意思住下 抱歉好 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