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要比較寬一點因為立法委員第一個人數不多 它不像我們剛剛講的那個情形第二個就是立法委員本來就有比較強烈的保密的義務所以他的申報應該要更為完整所以藉由這個機會再把這個法案做一次說明 謝謝好 謝謝那待會在陳玉珍委員發言完畢之後我們截止發言登記那我們下一位請陳玉珍委員發言"},{"start":3040.647,"end":3068.195,"text":"來 託審博洋委員之福我想我在程序委員會也是發言很多我想這個事實上大家可能還不夠了解很清楚他剛說的聯審會事實上本期昨天才接到一個澄清案就是我們金門以前的一個民政處長因為要去大陸不行那就是還要聯審會通過然後聯審會聯審會要多久呢聯審會是由三個單位所組成的國安局然後這個移民署 陸委會三個單位組成那他們的審查時間是要一個星期"},{"start":3068.735,"end":3082.869,"text":"最少一個星期還不算不算這個休假日不算立休假日所以呢他這個很多委員在裡面提案所出的包括立法委員也好還有這個議員也好如果以後要赴大陸這些地方還要經過這些單位來審查"},{"start":3084.531,"end":3084.751,"text":"議員是民意代表"},{"start":3106.391,"end":3129.291,"text":"全民所選出來的就是說有一些單位他們凌駕了這個名義來決定哪些人哪裡可以去哪裡不可以去這件事情的方面我看出其實為什麼這個東西不能讓他開始你看我們現在政府連法律沒有規定的法律應該是不容許的侵犯人權的這種王逸川的這種事情到今天民進黨都沒有說半句話"},{"start":3130.152,"end":3148.574,"text":"這一種法律大家一看就知道不能監控人民路上的人民的青鳥也好小草也好都被監控到這種地步他們還試圖想要監控民意代表民眾民意選出來的立法委員議員來做審查決定他們能不能去哪裡所以我覺得非常的不合理"},{"start":3149.275,"end":3176.14,"text":"至於法案我覺得會提出這種法案真的非常的沒有民主概念那因為金門地區這個澄清案我不好意思說這件事情實際上我也跟陸委會主委有做相關的這個溝通因為秋水這也是非常了解金門地區的人這一種的這個法律實際上是非常的非常的提出來是非常沒有法治概念我想民進黨不要試圖除了要監控人民以外還要監控民意代表選出來這些全民意所選出來這些民意代表們以上謝謝"},{"start":3179.429,"end":3181.87,"text":"我本來是盡量避免在程序委員會講話但是有時候聽了實在是受不了"},{"start":3200.325,"end":3228.164,"text":"第一首先這個先針對這個復議案復議案這個部分我們民進黨還是沒有意見但是這個事情還是要澄清就是說這個收案時間到昨天但是這個案子是今天早上才送的所以在程序上面事實上是有瑕疵的那因為有這個程序瑕疵我們認為說先列入報告事項那列入報告事項之後未來到底什麼時候要處理我認為應該要透過找一些協商來決定這是核心序名"},{"start":3229.224,"end":3255.038,"text":"接下來有關剛才提到這個有關這個立法委員赴中國相關的這些規定這個在本委員會已經被擋了幾次了七次還八次這個我個人認為剛才不管陳玉珍委員講的話有道理沒有道理但是畢竟這個是程序委員會理論上國民黨在各委員會都是多數所以"},{"start":3256.516,"end":3278.688,"text":"我們委員的提案提案出來之後我們程序委員會應該讓他一讀一讀之後進入委員會之後陳玉成你就可以在那個委員會裡面暢所欲言你剛剛所有的道理都可以在委員會裡面講因為這就是審查嘛我們程序委員會怎麼會在程序委員會裡面來講說這個法案有道理沒有道理所以這個法案可以可以列不可以列這個就是我們民進黨從頭到尾我們認為說程序委員會不應該成為"},{"start":3280.967,"end":3297.664,"text":"不應該成為三讀之前的實質內容的審查會這樣子就整個違反了程序委員會的精神那這部分我講一定要講清楚不是說不是說你講的有道理誰講陳柏洋講的沒道理不是有沒有道理都不應該在程序委員會裡面講"},{"start":3299.107,"end":3324.355,"text":"程序委員會裡面只是講我們這個有沒有符合程序他連署人數夠不夠提出來的這些程序完備了我們程序委員會就應該要讓他在院會進入報告事項一讀然後才在委員會裡面審查我認為這是程序委員會的基本精神再次懇求國民黨作為多數黨應該要在這樣子的程序上面不應該再犯這種程序的錯誤以引起民間大家的反感以上"},{"start":3328.202,"end":3338.608,"text":"謝謝省委員有關省委員剛剛所提到的這個程序上面有瑕疵這個部分呢我想說我在這邊跟各位委員報告"},{"start":3341.168,"end":3363.52,"text":"本院在昨天下午收到行政院函請本院的副議案兩件以及今天早上收到總統府秘書長的函一件那基於這個是重大議案而且有時效上面的急迫性所以有關這個部分我大概先前有去做一下功課第一個"},{"start":3364.761,"end":3379.243,"text":"柯總召今天早上在記者會的時候其實他也是公開的宣告說他支持在今天我們把這個議案這三案能夠增列入程序草案的報告事項這是第一個"},{"start":3381.406,"end":3404.387,"text":"民進黨在之前在審理不當黨產的時候其實在院會也是臨時針裂了一個事項報告事項所以其實做法是相同也有前例可循第三個在今天會議召開前我們也有請教了一下周岸萊秘書長就程序的部分是不是"},{"start":3406.139,"end":3413.917,"text":"會有瑕疵或是有違規的部分那中岸藍秘書長也是明確跟我們說這是沒有問題的慣例不代表違法"},{"start":3415.158,"end":3439.808,"text":"我想跟各位報告一下如果有違反議事規則當然叫做程序的瑕疵但是以前雖然是慣例是如此但是因為本案我們認為這個是屬於是國家的重大議案而且有時效上的急迫性所以我們認為說今天還是有這個必要列入這個程序草案的報告事項至少在程序上面是不像剛剛所說的有程序上的瑕疵在這邊跟各位報告那"},{"start":3444.039,"end":3471.022,"text":"好那我們就接下來好那謝謝各位委員那請問一下就張志倫委員的提議有沒有意義好那沒有意義的話就非常謝謝大家有共識那我們就照張志倫委員的提議通過有關復議案曾列入第18次院會報告事項第二至第四案"},{"start":3477.267,"end":3498.091,"text":"請問對王振旭委員的提議有無異議王委員他所提議的是照議事日程草案及偵略報告事項通過請問有無異議有異議的話我們就進行表決我們先清點在場的人數"},{"start":3520.06,"end":3538.954,"text":"好那在場人數有18人那我們先請贊成王振旭委員提議者請舉手請放下謝謝那我們接下來請反對者請舉手"},{"start":3567.09,"end":3588.355,"text":"好謝謝請放下請放下好那在場人數18人贊成者9位反對者9位那可否同訴時取決於主席那本案主席決定反對所以本案不通過謝謝各位"},{"start":3592.261,"end":3614.986,"text":"好那我們現在處理林思敏委員提議議程甄列原列第21案及甄列第4至13案暫緩列案及於照案通過請問對林思敏委員提議有無異議好那有異議我們就進行表決那麻煩請點在場人數"},{"start":3625.9,"end":3631.021,"text":"好請放下反對者請舉手好請放下"},{"start":3651.792,"end":3674.044,"text":"在場人數18人﹐贊成者9人﹐反對者9人可否同宿﹐取決於主席本案主席決定贊成本案通過報告事項修正通過執行事項對行政院院長報告施政方針繼續執行通過請宣讀人民請願案"},{"start":3682.386,"end":3708.467,"text":"人民請願案1.1請願法第4條之規定,系屬應提起訴訟事項共4案2.1立法院執行法第65條第二項規定,涵轉全職專處理者共2案,宣讀完畢好,謝謝,請問有無異議沒有異議的話通過,有無臨時提案臨時動議不好意思,臨時動議有無,有無臨時動議沒有的話,那就今天會議到此結束散會好,謝謝"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}