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️"},{"start":2678.971,"end":2680.156,"text":"好接下來我們請"},{"start":2682.09,"end":2712.09,"text":"議員議員議員"},{"start":2717.42,"end":2717.56,"text":"陳部長陳部長"},{"start":2729.017,"end":2747.464,"text":"市長好,我剛剛聽到您的一個植物診療師法的一個報告啦,你一開始講說這個法很重要,可是我覺得很有趣的是因為今天我們審的法當中的時候,三個版本都是委員的版本,其實沒有行政院的版本,你可以說明一下除了借其不延續的原因,"},{"start":2749.98,"end":2770.305,"text":"我跟委員說明齁,就是行政院因為屆期不續審齁,所以我們重新再安排院會去通過,因為照我們的一個規範就是我們所有送進立法院的版本一定要經過院會的同意,那其實我們也真的期待齁,就是委員在審查的時候能夠有,能夠等到我們行政院版本送進來來一併審查,這樣的話更能夠去確認齁,整個的未來的一個什麼方向。"},{"start":2775.646,"end":2803.409,"text":"嗯,就是行政部門對這事情的關注度不及我們立法委員關注度啦所以我在想說我們今天已經在審這個就是植物診療師法的時候所以我在想說這只是特別點一個狀態就是說如果真的關心的時候腳步要加快好不好那我在想說從2017年開始到現在那我知道說我們之前原本是用那個植物醫生這樣一個名詞那說實話農業部這邊可能也儲備了很多植物醫生請問到目前為止總共有多少人?"},{"start":2803.809,"end":2825.723,"text":"我們現在目前在各縣市政府跟各感染場大概有100位的儲備的植物醫師。是,已經有100位的儲備醫生了嘛,對不對?那我想請問一下,我們這個儲備醫生當時在提這個部分的時候,他有特別提到說,我們希望從2017年再推這個植物醫生,現在叫植物診療師,那到2027年希望10年的時間能夠讓農藥減半嘛,對不對?請問到目前為止進度如何?"},{"start":2833.322,"end":2835.886,"text":"我跟委員說明,現在農藥的一個減半,我們是強調在農藥的風險的減半。農藥風險的減半,不是農藥量的減半。對,是農藥風險的一個,就是"},{"start":2848.465,"end":2850.986,"text":"對於高劇毒的農藥我們會加速它退場那我記得現在目前為止我們的劇毒農藥退場已經達到75%了超過一半了"},{"start":2867.917,"end":2885.937,"text":"對,因為有一些農藥它用的量可能比較多但是它的風險是比較低的所以我們有針對它的風險只是做加權這也是目前全世界的共同規範所以我們期待說在2007年能夠達到風險減半的目標我們希望還是能夠打草"},{"start":2886.857,"end":2898.602,"text":"所以是風險減半不是藥量減半嗎?那我想問一下,因為像農民在用藥的時候很多都是預防性的下藥,那真正在預防性下藥的時候我們植物診療師要怎麼樣子開這個處方?"},{"start":2902.026,"end":2921.817,"text":" 我跟委員說明一下就是整個病床外的一個防治特別是在床外的時候它會隨著密度會有一個曲線的急速生長期你在這個曲線的急速生長期之前防治才最有效果那太早跟太晚都沒有用像預防性的這些噴藥其實對有一些它的會浪費你的農藥的錢"},{"start":2922.858,"end":2940.981,"text":"​​​​​​"},{"start":2941.101,"end":2955.21,"text":"adequure 農藥推廣這樣子的一個使命的意思是這樣子嗎是他是一個客製化的一個服務所以他本身是可以開業的那相對的部分就是所以說之後我們對整個植物診療師的一個量"},{"start":2957.811,"end":2980.251,"text":"就是您原本在預估的時候,當我們開始證照制度之後的時候,大概預計的人數會多少人?我們預估大概是,totally大概是3000人。那這些3000人有一部分會配置在,如果說農會或是縣市政府,他也可以聘請。那聘請的過程中,他可以用一個...可以預計有3000人喔?那我想問一下就是說,針對這個部分,那麼之後,"},{"start":2982.273,"end":2983.694,"text":"disciplinary 6"},{"start":3012.373,"end":3041.477,"text":" bicy 買農藥就一定要診療師要有開診斷,沒有這件事情。所以沒有說買農藥一定要這個植物診療師處方,沒有這樣子的問題,對不對?所以那植物診療師他這當中你怎麼樣去發揮他的影響力,能夠讓他真正達到我們農業部希望他達到的一個使命?我想非常重要的就是植物診療師能夠更精準的診斷他是哪一類的病害,哪一類的蟲藥,那接下來就可以用非常精準的用藥能夠做一個防治。"},{"start":3041.877,"end":3046.022,"text":"愈會增加農民在用藥當中的成本,會不會?愈會增加農民在用藥當中的成本,會不會?愈會增加農民在用藥當中的成本,會不會?愈會增加農民在用藥當中的成本,會不會?"},{"start":3057.978,"end":3072.995,"text":" ️ ️ 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我想我們在提供這樣的一個名稱的時候我們有召開了專家會議包括洛農那當初討論的兩個方案那我們是終於整個的當初討論的這些方案裡面我們提供他做參考"},{"start":3437.237,"end":3440.519,"text":"但是重要的是我們的建議是什麼,我們有寫下來了。那我可不可以拜託這個部長,請部長是不是盡速地再發文給衛福部,請他就明確地寫說不要用鮮乳這個字眼,直接寫長效乳,因為你長效鮮乳誤導消費者的空間還是非常的大。"},{"start":3460.889,"end":3479.559,"text":"我跟委員說明齁就是我們新政府本身在部會之間就有一個非常好的溝通的管道那公文絕對不是只有公文來公文去所以我們也持續已經持續的在跟衛福部在做一個有效的溝通那我們希望說因為所以部長有信心衛福部會把鮮乳這個鮮字拿掉嗎?我們"},{"start":3480.299,"end":3500.043,"text":" ️ ️"},{"start":3500.043,"end":3526.402,"text":" bicy 本席在這裡呼籲啊因為保護農民保護落農是你的天職所以請部長一定要落實這件事情一定要強烈的去呼籲因為假設我是落農我光看這個文我心裡想說哎呀其實農業部好像也沒有很支持我們嘛他還給他選擇給他A案跟B案假案跟疑案選擇然後後面才只有"},{"start":3527.142,"end":3535.445,"text":"adequure小小的字說優先採用議案評估辦理我覺得這樣子對落農來說是不足的我希望農業部的這個態度可以更堅定可以堅定說不要用先辱這個字來欺負我們台灣的落農"},{"start":3544.568,"end":3545.669,"text":"但是呢本席跟所有的弱農我們都希望看到農業部更堅定的立場"},{"start":3565.23,"end":3588.746,"text":" ️ ️"},{"start":3588.786,"end":3591.467,"text":"應該每百台間大概950、930左右。沒錯。那相比去年呢,這是大大的降了。大大的降了超過10%以上。那雲林縣大概有200公頃以上的稻田都是倒了。"},{"start":3606.132,"end":3612.874,"text":"那為打天然災害救助辦法,很多農民擔心說這個會越來越嚴重,因為倒了就沒有人願意割,甚至輕割。這個價格非常的差,那農民真的很兩難。對於農民這樣的無奈,請問部長可以怎麼幫助他們呢?"},{"start":3622.978,"end":3649.974,"text":" ️ ️ ️ ️ ️"},{"start":3649.974,"end":3672.637,"text":" ️ ️"},{"start":3672.637,"end":3700.623,"text":"​​​​​​​​​​​​"},{"start":3700.623,"end":3716.476,"text":" ️ 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14天以內 限老或限慢的啦 這樣聽得懂嗎 就是我限裁的 這個才是先辱啦所謂的長效 所謂的保久 是因為時間 保存期限的時間而有所不同的 這個不能放作先章的一個字眼在裡面 這個很清楚"},{"start":4090.848,"end":4117.09,"text":"我們一定要分野在標示當中就要分得很清楚了所以這個是昨天的決議第二個就是血統乳的部分昨天國教署說是因為我們訓務師從頭到尾都沒跟他保證配送沒有問題所以他們不敢採用薄酒乳那我們訓務師說配送沒有問題所以"},{"start":4120.72,"end":4146.422,"text":" ︎國教署就說,如果配送沒有問題,他們當然要給小孩子喝最營養的,最新鮮的,所以我們要把它分開,配送沒有問題的地方。 ︎當時我就說了嘉義雲林、宜蘭人家在縣市執行血統乳用鮮奶都沒有問題,怎麼可能我們有問題。 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️ ️ ️"},{"start":4545.919,"end":4556.433,"text":"這個你剛剛所講的今年的這些預算就是要用在我們2025面對亞太覽展這樣的一個準備我們現在有幾項要必須做的"},{"start":4557.841,"end":4576.271,"text":"​​​​​​​​"},{"start":4576.391,"end":4588.408,"text":"知道好所以拜託剛剛部長已經有說了今年今年的預算我們要優先在這幾樣尤其我們所需要的預算"},{"start":4589.497,"end":4609.548,"text":"​​​​​​​​​​​​​​"},{"start":4609.548,"end":4626.118,"text":"​​​​​​"},{"start":4626.318,"end":4640.171,"text":" bicy 針對基礎設施的改善,我們也已經抱怨去爭取相關的一些額外的預算來支持這樣的一個基礎工程,這樣的話台南都來得及明年的亞太覽展甚至於國際覽展,這個我們要來努力。所以這預算喔,剛剛我講的這個部分,這個預算就要5235萬,這個部分喔,所以要拜託,因為亞太覽展這是我們的名字。"},{"start":4651.301,"end":4653.282,"text":"接下來我們請呂玉玲委員請做詢談。"},{"start":4681.459,"end":4684.321,"text":"謝謝主席,請陳部長。我們請陳部長。部長,你好。今天我們要來審查這個植物診療師法。在之前的叫植物醫師法,那時候大家很多的意見,也推了十幾年。那是一次特別改成那個植物診療師法。"},{"start":4708.541,"end":4726.271,"text":" »:對。"},{"start":4726.411,"end":4750.236,"text":" bicy 未來這個診療師的話就可以做一個諮詢的工作也可以做一個教育也做一個輔導我們農民對不管是植物還是農耕各方面都可以給他們用經驗或是用專業醫療的方式對植物的醫療這方式對於診治跟防疫各方面都可以做最大的協助跟幫忙對不對是"},{"start":4751.636,"end":4757.218,"text":" bicy 當下我們在學校的話也有在開這個課程,針對我們的植物教學的這個醫院來做一個培訓我們的人才。培訓之後的話他們畢業之後的話也要經過考試,是不是?是。考試有得到這個證照才可以去幫我們的農民做一些諮詢的工作吧。對,他是透過國家考試。是。那未來他們會在哪個單位服務呢?"},{"start":4778.363,"end":4801.305,"text":" 我想國家考試是一個證照,然後就看產業的一個需求。那相對的以現在我們針對儲備醫師的一個概念,很多農會因為儲備醫師,我們配置的儲備醫師,他們覺得說對農民真的有幫助。所以我們也做了一些問卷,他們未來也願意自己來聘,然後有一部分是配合我們改良…"},{"start":4802.466,"end":4827.517,"text":"​​​​​​​​​​"},{"start":4827.517,"end":4844.377,"text":"​​​​​​​​​​"},{"start":4844.497,"end":4867.092,"text":"那根據我們現有的資料,大概在108年的時候,紅毫雨的整個的一個發生大概是25.9%,那到去年已經降到17%,這是一件。那我們平均每年大概投入將近400萬左右的一個經費。400萬?400萬,平均啊。平均你是說一個地方還是全部?桃園地區。桃園地區。桃園地區。桃園地區400萬,你的總經費是4000萬?"},{"start":4871.135,"end":4872.017,"text":"對,桃園地區2022年2022年是4000是4000多萬嘛對不對4000多萬"},{"start":4880.12,"end":4903.857,"text":" bicy 3,000多塊4千萬左右不過這個資料可能還要再確認那我跟委員說明就是說未來植物診療師因為紅蘿蟻有他的熱區有他的熱區那診療師有他的專業的時候他能夠判斷那個熱區用精準的用藥精準用藥好 這個我必須要跟主委來部長來這邊討論就是您知道在2022年的時候你的經費是4,426萬到2024年是剩下3,567萬您說"},{"start":4909.321,"end":4913.102,"text":"議員楊瓊瓔等人提案如未接獲議事處來函則不予審查),"},{"start":4928.217,"end":4934.504,"text":"我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我"},{"start":4943.374,"end":4970.509,"text":"我跟委員說明齁,整個的一個紅瓦椅的房子齁,中央跟地方有它的一個分工。那相關的權責在地方政府,而且中央是給予一些額外的一個補助,那地方政府...所以你要看面積來補助啊?那你是看地方補助還是看面積補助?土地的管理的權責機構本身,好像桃園市本身它的財政的部分是比較高的,所以它本身也付了更多的經費在處理這個紅瓦椅。"},{"start":4972.79,"end":4990.691,"text":"​​​​​​​​"},{"start":4990.791,"end":4994.252,"text":"議員楊瓊瓔等人提案如未接獲議事處來函則不予審查゚∀゚。議員楊瓊瓔等人提案如未接獲議事處來函則不予審查゚∀゚。議員楊瓊瓔等人提案如未接獲議事處來函則不予審查゚∀゚。"},{"start":5016.237,"end":5034.718,"text":"​​​​​​​​​​"},{"start":5035.526,"end":5064.78,"text":"怎麼協助?我想,診療師法本身他有他的一個專業訓練。那針對紅狗魚的防治,他有一定的防治的一個規範。那最重要就是說,他對於熱區的判斷,會有更精準的判斷。桃園是熱區的嗎?對,所以相對的,沒有,就管桃園地區也有一些熱區,他會根據他的移動脈動。所以他的發生率已經下降了。面積雖然還在那邊,但是他的發生率從25點多已經降到17了。那我們希望說,一起跟地方政府一起努力。"},{"start":5065.12,"end":5091.048,"text":"今天本席會提這個問題就是一個老農已經七八十歲了他對這紅火蟻我們的診治這十幾年來沒有做好所以他很憂心因為這個紅火蟻不只他會咬人喔還會吃我們的農作物而且對我們公共設施啊也會有傷害所以在這種影響整個層面這麼大的情況之下我們要下定決心去做診治去做防疫這個好不好"},{"start":5091.428,"end":5092.028,"text":"議員楊瓊瓔等人提案如未接獲議事處來函則不予審查),"},{"start":5113.114,"end":5126.442,"text":"​​​​​​​​​​"},{"start":5127.644,"end":5148.198,"text":" »: 國土法影響最大的就是農民,那部長您在這邊能不能為農民發聲,可以讓我們更周全更了解,因為未來的話整個我們的國土分區的這功能圖一定要送出來,這個月底就要送出來了,但是各縣市都還沒有送出來,那如何去讓我們的國土的功能能夠分區?"},{"start":5149.159,"end":5171.727,"text":"我講第一個部分就是我們會再更積極的態度去跟縣市政府溝通因為是縣市政府劃出來的那第二個部分我要在這邊特別鄭重的跟各位委員說明齁就是國度法所劃分的農一跟農二只要你從事農業是完完全全百分之百沒有受影響你只要你從事農業 那我們也陸續的再去下降 這不是說農一農二 這農一到農五都會影響欸"},{"start":5177.089,"end":5201.007,"text":"對我們所有的這些不同縣市的這些畫社然後他的畫社可能有一部分是對於那個指引畫社指引的認知有點誤解所以我們也積極的去溝通那相對的我希望說讓農民放心就是你從事農業絕對沒有影響而且我們未來會針對農一農二有一些政策上的一些改變去來協助他來支持他們"},{"start":5201.527,"end":5219.428,"text":"​​​​​​​​​​"},{"start":5219.508,"end":5237.513,"text":" »: 按照既定的一個時辰明年4月30號在這個過程中我們一定會更積極的去跟縣市政府協商還有跟農民去相關的座談讓他們更瞭解國土規劃是其實對台灣的土地的永續是一個非常好的一個作為所以我們還是要保障農民的權益了好不好好瞭解"},{"start":5258.211,"end":5261.335,"text":"楊瓊瓔等人提案如未接獲議事處來函則不予審查),"},{"start":5270.307,"end":5295.34,"text":"委員長大家好我們今天排錄的這個植物診療師那照剛剛治療師照剛剛您的說明那這個植物診療師呢大家有一個共識那是必須要做但是呢在整個過程有所誤解的也要去說明清楚那行政院版什麼時候會出來呢"},{"start":5296.949,"end":5323.402,"text":"我想行政院的部分我們正在安排就是進到院會去預計什麼時候呢?既然是一個這麼重大的法為什麼到現在還沒有出來呢?行政院不重視嗎?我想這不是行政院不重視這可能是我們內部的一些作業的一個疏失那請問你承認疏失你為行政院扛起了這個責任那什麼時候會送出來呢?"},{"start":5324.522,"end":5352.368,"text":"我們期待是能夠在下個禮拜的院會喔能夠能夠排入好我們也希望農業部你要積極因為委員所提案大概都是48條的條例那據聞你行政院版農業部所提出的大概是51條我們為了整個法案的慎重慎重因為條序方面必須要去做調整"},{"start":5353.248,"end":5372.113,"text":" ︎所以我們今天先巡打。我們要目的也就是在整個立法的過程要非常的完整。但是也要請農業部你務必要積極。那接下來本席要請教的國土法明年5月要上路會嗎?"},{"start":5374.508,"end":5390.626,"text":"我們所有的農民、人民很害怕耶。照現在的一個期程是明年應該4月底5月要上路耶。對啊。那現在繳成有沒有調整?因為法院有說要延一年、延兩年,那到底是怎麼回事呢?"},{"start":5391.82,"end":5411.317,"text":"我講整個國土法我們會配合內政部跟然後我們也積極的下鄉去跟包括跟縣市政府去做溝通包括跟農民去做...明年的4月底5月要上路到現在你到鄉你到地方去聽老百姓很緊張不清不楚不瞭解站在你農業部的立場務必"},{"start":5412.858,"end":5431.817,"text":"​​​​​​​​"},{"start":5431.817,"end":5448.933,"text":""},{"start":5449.104,"end":5471.015,"text":" ️ ️"},{"start":5471.015,"end":5501.015,"text":" ️ ️ ️"},{"start":5501.335,"end":5530.206,"text":" unintendent to the quality of the job of these plant therapists and consumers.因為這個是非常重要。接下來本席要跟你討論的也就是紐西蘭的液態乳在2025年就可以零關稅輸入到臺灣。哇!我們的農農很緊張耶!這怎麼辦?這怎麼辦?我們要自立自強。請教我們的鮮乳到底是幾天算鮮乳啊?"},{"start":5531.634,"end":5552.919,"text":"應該是7天。幾天剩鮮乳?我們國內的是14天。國內14天嗎?國外在他國家幾天?國外在他國家幾天?他可能會根據他的製造的程序不一樣而有不一樣的天數。基礎就是以兩個禮拜為基本嘛。鮮乳嘛。對不對?好!所以!"},{"start":5555.44,"end":5581.078,"text":"衛福部的食藥署6月5號來一個預告!預告!我加在一起預告!要公告就糟糕了!預告!你們要推出意見!修正先乳標示草案保存期限30天以上的乳品應標示為延長叫什麼?延長保存期限先乳!或者是長效先乳!"},{"start":5582.654,"end":5608.695,"text":"​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​"},{"start":5608.976,"end":5612.439,"text":"我們在超商它的那個溫度幾度啊?冰箱開來開去還有開放式架的這個開架開放式的幾度?大概7度到10度吧"},{"start":5625.435,"end":5653.046,"text":" ️ ️ ️ ️ ️ ️"},{"start":5654.537,"end":5660.301,"text":"時要數到底怎麼回事?你們都沒有溝通嗎?為什麼要讓民眾這麼模糊呢?而且風險高?為什麼?會不會改?時要數6月5號這個只有預告啊!預告就是可以改啊!"},{"start":5679.548,"end":5695.179,"text":" ️ ️"},{"start":5695.998,"end":5718.066,"text":"我個人是有信心啦有信心一定要加油好不好這個不能讓學童科宣啦這個是最好的台灣最棒的啊台灣的酪農最棒的啊那你要有長效乳我們也給予同意但是你名稱要分隔清楚啊幹嘛要混淆視聽北京絕對不同意因為有高風險"},{"start":5723.702,"end":5735.848,"text":"厲?7度到10度怎麼樣會有鮮乳這樣子保存30天以上太恐怖了好不好把這個高風險要去除不能如此最後一個議題講到這個雞蛋現在雞蛋太多這怎麼辦他們也淘汰了寡產雞所以我們的雞農很努力欸寡產雞他們都在淘汰那在目前的這個數量來看"},{"start":5750.492,"end":5768.408,"text":"我們投入的生產機有3569萬隻。現在每一天生產121,700箱。平均國內人民需要的大概是12萬箱一天。那你多出來那麼多,他之後怎麼辦?"},{"start":5768.408,"end":5771.892,"text":"賤價。你知道嗎?甚至有把雞蛋就再去給豬吃耶。"},{"start":5773.439,"end":5796.408,"text":" ️ ️ ️ ️"},{"start":5796.408,"end":5825.299,"text":"​​​​​​​​​​​​​​"},{"start":5825.639,"end":5827.12,"text":"市長,現在我們看到的你目前的政策結果論還是產銷不平衡。"},{"start":5844.565,"end":5873.933,"text":" ️ ️ ️ ️ ️ ️"},{"start":5874.113,"end":5875.793,"text":"好,接下來我們請邱議員委員邱昭偉請發言。"},{"start":5909.522,"end":5909.984,"text":"我們再請陳部長。"},{"start":5920.317,"end":5944.999,"text":"欸部長早部長我想我們今天討論這個植物診療師法齁其實在上一屆的時候我們也提過這個植物醫師法的相關的版本是也進入了討論那因為藉其不連續加上有一些特別的因素所以植物醫師法就無疾而終了那我們現在在談這個植物診療師喔剛剛部長您也特別提到其實不管這個"},{"start":5946.34,"end":5957.428,"text":" bicy 叫植物醫師或是叫植物診療師,你們在各地方已經有培訓法人100位是分布在農會跟各地區公所嗎?"},{"start":5957.428,"end":5967.395,"text":"是是這樣嗎?對,還有一部分是我們的試驗單位。一部分是在你們的試驗單位。那所以他們現在在這樣的一個狀態底下,他們的身份其實是不明的,對不對?"},{"start":5968.616,"end":5990.608,"text":"因為我看到在我們美濃農會他們是叫植物醫師在我們的地方農會的這些診療師來做這樣的協助工作是叫植物醫師但是我們的法是叫植物診療師法未來在證明的這個過程裡頭其實我覺得可能你們需要花一點時間去做銜接配合包括你的這些儲備人員"},{"start":5992.329,"end":6007.226,"text":" bicy 未來他是不是都必須要接受國家考試取得證照以後才能正式的執業對,法通過了以後他一段時間他必須做一個轉換他必須針對相關的這個規範去做國家考試那你們有沒有跟考選部這邊做一些"},{"start":6007.807,"end":6025.299,"text":""},{"start":6025.299,"end":6049.104,"text":"​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​"},{"start":6049.364,"end":6074.81,"text":"所以我們預計大概在半年之內看看可不可以三個月到半年之內看看可不可以很完整的一個一個對外的一個公告那接下來然後就可以讓他們來開始報名參加考試同一個時間我們也針對學校的部分因為學校部分有一些相關的科學養成對我們也開始已經在做這樣的一個處理所以一年大概三百位他們有然後分十年大概給到三千位"},{"start":6075.503,"end":6095.247,"text":" ️ ️ ️"},{"start":6095.327,"end":6097.569,"text":" bicyclone"},{"start":6110.76,"end":6121.424,"text":"但是未來是不是全部只要遇到田間有這些問題都需要植物診療師來開診斷證明第二個植物診療師開的這個診斷會不會影響到農民未來購買農藥上面比如說農民一定要拿了這個診斷才能去買農藥"},{"start":6133.029,"end":6145.896,"text":"​​​​​​​​"},{"start":6146.577,"end":6163.556,"text":"謝謝委員的一個提問。我想趁這個機會跟所有的社會大眾,特別是我們的農民說明。我們植物診療師的一個立法通過以後,在農民端他其實是更能夠有效的幫助農民做精準用藥,甚至於可以節省他的用藥的費用。"},{"start":6165.981,"end":6186.031,"text":" bicy 更重要他不會影響他現在購買農藥的任何的模式的改變他並不需要做要取得一些藥單才能夠去買藥所以他不需要取得這個診療師開的藥單才能去買農藥對是不需要的那第二個部分就是有些農藥行賣農藥也擔心說那我們現在販賣農藥未來是不是要有植物診療師的一個證照"},{"start":6192.994,"end":6218.355,"text":"這個也是錯誤的觀念因為我們販賣農藥有根據農藥的販賣的相關的管理辦法去取得它的證照它跟植物診療師的證照是不一樣的換句話說植物診療師他取得證照他不能直接販賣農藥他如果販賣農藥還是要根據農藥管理法裡面的相關的規範才能夠去販賣農藥所以對於這些販賣農藥的業者也完全沒有影響對農民也完全沒有影響"},{"start":6220.697,"end":6244.332,"text":"好,那再請教,那你比如說你們過去有一些林業啦、園藝啦這一些祭師,那他們在這些祭師的工作跟植物診療師的工作上面會不會有衝突?會不會對於我們原來過去的這些林業、農業的園藝祭師造成他們就業上面的影響?這個我想也是這些祭師公會他們很擔心。"},{"start":6245.213,"end":6262.278,"text":" ️ ️ ️"},{"start":6262.278,"end":6286.886,"text":" ️ ️"},{"start":6287.182,"end":6316.003,"text":"如果是這樣部長我再請教您一個問題我們常常需要比如說農損要去勘栽過去都是你們改良所跟其他的專家學者去勘栽嘛對不對未來這個工作會不會落在植物診療師的身上我想不會因為植物診療因為天災有天災勘栽的一個邏輯但是植物診療師對於相關的萬一有一些保險是針對病床外的保險的部分那植物診療師開的他的植物的"},{"start":6316.323,"end":6341.323,"text":"​​​​​​​​"},{"start":6341.443,"end":6342.824,"text":" »:委員楊瓊瓔等人提案如未接獲議事處來函則不予審查゚ ゚"},{"start":6370.196,"end":6396.254,"text":" ️ ️ ️ ️"},{"start":6398.666,"end":6421.201,"text":"接下來我們請鄭天才委員請做詢答。主席、貴委員、有請部長。好,我們請陳部長。"},{"start":6429.232,"end":6457.129,"text":"委員長部長好今天審查植物診療師法在你們的報告裡面也特別提到今年全球氣候變遷造成植物病蟲害這個改變然後相關的這些防治還有對消費者怎麼樣能夠有安全的一個要求的這個部分所以你們這裡面基本上"},{"start":6458.635,"end":6483.35,"text":"如果從這個你的報告裡面植物診療師指導田間作物栽培及病蟲害整合性的管理這個主要的目的這是其中的部分那這個行政院這個107年審查植物醫師法當初的這個草案的名稱"},{"start":6484.619,"end":6506.76,"text":"然後經過幾次的討論然後這個最近的最近的把名稱還是要改為植物診療師法是這樣嗎是好這個從名稱的改變是其中之一但是你們從這個"},{"start":6509.482,"end":6521.008,"text":"一百零七年到現在這麼多年然後一百一十二年也就是七年十月又重新送行政院"},{"start":6523.792,"end":6549.726,"text":"呃,行政院到底的態度還有考量的是什麼?為什麼一直到現在還沒有完成這個草案,送到立法院?我跟委員說明齁,就是行政院還沒有送到院會齁,那有一部分責任是我想我們農業部該負責的就是沒有更積極的去做一些溝通齁,因為行政院代送的法案是非常多的齁,那我想我們以後會改進。呃,事實上是這樣齁。"},{"start":6553.117,"end":6578.967,"text":"這個政務委員當然政務委員不多但是一個政務委員負責相關的部會如果以農業部這個負責的那個政務委員跟其他的政務委員所以也不會說這個是政務委員來不及沒有時間審要排審很多法案"},{"start":6580.329,"end":6596.798,"text":"因為我們看這個在520之前行政院雖然是看守內閣但是還是通過了不少的法案何況這種"},{"start":6598.575,"end":6624.053,"text":"​​​​​​​​​​​​"},{"start":6624.213,"end":6647.946,"text":"我們是希望說有更好的溝通大家取得共識以後這法案的推動未來會更順暢所以有一部分的原因在之前原因是希望說我們能夠更明確的溝通讓外界都能夠認同這樣的法案對於法案以後的執行會更有效率好就還是要積極的溝通啦好我們看這個今天的草案這個"},{"start":6651.975,"end":6664.602,"text":"最主要是怎麼樣去解決農民的問題啦。農民的問題。對,這是最終的目標。對對,最重要的。所以,像這個"},{"start":6677.79,"end":6695.597,"text":"對,因為診療師能夠判斷什麼時候去用藥是最有效的防治那個時間點非常重要特別是在區域防治的時候更能夠凸顯它的一個效果當然我不知道你們未來的草案如何"},{"start":6697.709,"end":6711.136,"text":"這個你認為這個診療師、植物診療師有沒有需要相關的這些協力或者是說他所念的科系一般很多都是有"},{"start":6713.986,"end":6741.159,"text":"對,我想植物診療師他基本上是針對植物的病蟲害的一個專業的知識但是針對病害有一部分可能是生理病害所以他對於整個的土壤跟整個的栽培還有相關的這些基本的農業的背景他是需要有這樣的背景才能去做這樣的考試好,所以這個部分是一個考量了是那就好,我們就以這個"},{"start":6743.072,"end":6771.778,"text":"adequure我國外銷至大陸的大宗農產品有文旦、鳳梨釋迦、柑橘類等等。像這樣的一個因為這幾年被禁止銷往大陸然後相關的因素我們就以實際他們所報導出來的因素來說有了這個植物診療師"},{"start":6773.609,"end":6796.254,"text":" ️ ️ ️ ️"},{"start":6796.254,"end":6818.302,"text":" ️ ️"},{"start":6818.302,"end":6842.125,"text":" ️ ️ ️ ️ ️ ️ ️"},{"start":6842.927,"end":6869.531,"text":" ️ ️ ️ ️"},{"start":6870.384,"end":6891.852,"text":" ️ ️ ️ ️ ️"},{"start":6893.183,"end":6912.073,"text":" ️ ️ ️"},{"start":6912.073,"end":6912.873,"text":"接下來我們請張祺凱委員請做詢答。"},{"start":6953.648,"end":6966.813,"text":"國會改革方案後,很多立委跟民眾最想成立的第一個調查委員會要查什麼案?"},{"start":6978.422,"end":6978.682,"text":"我先把..."},{"start":6993.749,"end":7011.252,"text":"大家講一下,這幾天啊,包括國參委員跟我,你知道現在看起來不是只有古泥、超市雞蛋的這個問題。看起來前年還有些問題,今天我們要好好來討論。現在民眾為什麼對超市那麼有興趣,最主要還有三個問題。第一個,去年花了10億嘛,對不對?"},{"start":7012.193,"end":7012.293,"text":"愚蠢蠢"},{"start":7032.312,"end":7039.579,"text":"二、本院委員楊瓊瓔等17人擬具:「植物診療師法草案：立法院第11屆第16次全體委員會：立法院等17人擬具:「植物診療師法草案：立法院等17人提案如未接獲議事處來函則不予審查゚ ゚"},{"start":7058.271,"end":7073.778,"text":"== 2022年民國181年勝立九月成立十月份的心日本蛋就進來了大家以前耳熟能詳都在說古年巴西蛋一百其實青年啊"},{"start":7075.162,"end":7100.094,"text":"​​​​​​​​​​​​​​"},{"start":7100.776,"end":7120.708,"text":""},{"start":7121.216,"end":7134.691,"text":"一頁兩千八百萬頁這覺得合理?一個是資本額這麼小做這麼大生意這是一個這一般的公司不可能這樣做嘛第二個為什麼馬上開張為什麼農業部跟中央市長會就給他這筆生意我想跟委員說明齁就是"},{"start":7135.734,"end":7153.082,"text":"委員一直針對超吃的部分那我之前也先講過了那這些資訊其實一直影射的就是說我們農業部有一些涉及相關的不法那我在這邊也非常正式的跟委員報告其實在112年112年專案的一個雞蛋的一個調度112年是例行的產業要調節我們農委會是補助他例行調節但是因為委員的一些所知"},{"start":7163.527,"end":7184.403,"text":"我們也正式的進行了兩次的一個行政調查。那相關的行政調查裡面有一些疑慮的,我們甚至於請所謂的我們的政風去做瞭解。然後甚至於我們把相關的資料移情...部長,部長,部長,你NCB對合...部長,我先講一下事情,因為你剛剛用了一個很嚴重的字眼。這個不是什麼影射喔。"},{"start":7185.163,"end":7198.948,"text":"這是一個客觀的事實,我們來看這是不是一個客觀的事實?不是我想,因為同樣的數據可能你們本身在解讀方面,所以我說因為我不希望我們同仁,我的立場是如果同仁犯法我絕對不寬容。"},{"start":7200.228,"end":7224.482,"text":"但是同仁如果清白的我希望盡快的還給他清白因為我們的蓄穆斯的同仁現在已經非常辛苦了他們要處理非常多的問題所以我也主動的移情檢調單位能夠去釐清因為我有檢調釐清才能夠迅速的還給我們同仁的一個清白景赫這是一個客觀的事實啦都不是用嘴巴啦到底有沒有不法都不是重點就是一方面檢調查等一下我們要講"},{"start":7226.283,"end":7248.684,"text":"要不要立法院成立調查委員或小組來查這是一個那事實上之前檢調也有在查嘛現在都沒寫或沒寫起啦我們會繼續追我們用客觀的事實來討論這個事情好不好來再看看咧我問你一下你不要回文給我中央細產會回文給本席一共啊前年這個是超不可思議的事情有兩家公司"},{"start":7249.867,"end":7251.908,"text":"議員楊瓊瓔等人提案如未接獲議事處來函則不予審查゚∀゚。"},{"start":7273.78,"end":7279.024,"text":"二、本院委員楊瓊瓔等2540人擬具、「植物診療師法草案案案案案案案案案案案案案案"},{"start":7289.003,"end":7314.242,"text":"我想我們的續產會本身在處理這個雞蛋調度的時候有他們的一個的一個做法因為當初在需要蛋的時候他們也問過了你用你的不要用膝蓋部長用腦袋不要用膝蓋用腦袋想一下會不會太不可思議我覺得裡面我們同仁有一些解釋我們行政調查我們覺得有一些解釋所以我才會說我最後我們希望說讓我們的不是"},{"start":7316.704,"end":7341.829,"text":"我們已經主動的依請檢調去了解有依請所以我才會說為什麼不合理我告訴你看來因為合不合理我想可能要真正的調查以後才了解因為調查你調查完以後你已經送到檢調了嗎沒有對啊所以同仁的解釋他是一個解釋那我認同同仁的解釋但是我不是法律專家我沒有辦法判斷後面的所以我相信我也期待委員能夠我們檢調已經在調查了"},{"start":7344.429,"end":7349.172,"text":"adequ to the final simple survey result, if there is really a violation, I will not tolerate it."},{"start":7349.172,"end":7359.239,"text":"那如果說我們同仁是屬於行政瑕疵,我們會行政瑕疵處理。那沒有其他的貪圖的案件,我也希望還給我們同仁一個清白。這是我的立場。這是我的立場。"},{"start":7374.769,"end":7400.601,"text":"這家有合約的釀材釀材生物科技他資本額一百啊釀材勝出對不對成立時間釀材民國九十七年啊他也勝出啊只有在進口數量的方面為什麼超市多了那麼多釀材明明資本額成立時間而且他有合約是怎麼超市買了那麼多沒有合約這民眾會怎麼去想這個事情"},{"start":7403.345,"end":7429.44,"text":"所以你說要移送檢調嘛。好,我們就看這個結果怎麼樣。來,我們再看下一張。而且啊,裡面還有一個很不可思議的。操司不只是10年不開張,開張是10年喔。你看,他在前年一成立,馬上就日本彈進來,他就做完生意了。後來馬上就停下來了。欸,他還停業,暫停營業。暫停營業沒有多久,他開始復業,復業馬上巴西彈就進來了。這就是一般人講的嘛。是不是?"},{"start":7431.158,"end":7451.227,"text":"十年不開張,開張四十年,而且專門做的就是農業部中央系長會的這個生意,這是一個點。第二個裡面你剛剛講到底有沒有關山勾結,好,我們就進一步去查。我再問一個很疑問點的。當初農業部叫中央系長會出來對超市公會,他說什麼?為什麼他去年可以進那麼多的巴西蛋?結果現在發現了,因為前年有日本這一筆。"},{"start":7452.267,"end":7462.996,"text":" 我就問阿你說因為他有做過這個日本的生意所以他從巴西進來問題是兩年前你根本都沒有經驗阿為什麼給他一個一億多的生意這是另外一個點來我們看下一張"},{"start":7464.833,"end":7490.608,"text":"現在有人在問啦,他說中央市場會這麼大的金額到底要不要經過採購?我特別去查了預算書,保證,中央市場會台北的錢,它成立的時候就是用農業部的錢。農業部的錢是什麼人的?人民的錢嘛,對不對?用人民的錢,民主民高設立的,所以用任何一分錢,一分錢裡面至少有很多是政府的錢,對不對?你看每一年度,來來,保證你看每一年度,109政府補助的錢超過"},{"start":7492.37,"end":7494.573,"text":"我跟委員說明喔續產會本身是財產法人"},{"start":7510.791,"end":7510.891,"text":"議員您說50億?有請問50億嗎?"},{"start":7525.728,"end":7531.151,"text":"我跳回上一張給你看一下,有什麼問題嗎?我跟委員說明齁,他本身負責國內的續產部分的包括所有的屠宰場的獸醫師的一個屠宰的檢查都是續產費所以相對的續產費其實這些政府補助的費用其實他有他背後的需要去協助產業"},{"start":7550.299,"end":7552.601,"text":" bicy 升級了一個非常重要的經費的支持。"},{"start":7574.244,"end":7584.441,"text":"你接受媒體專訪以前一共啊你說以後不會再用這種專案進口的這個方式不過我必須提醒你這是人質真正要解決問題是什麼所以我剛剛講的解答人民剛的疑問"},{"start":7586.005,"end":7604.11,"text":"為什麼要花10億?第二個為什麼銷毀那麼多?第三個超市為什麼這麼神通廣大?這三個點你解釋不清楚人民就一直挖問號了那當然答案會是你剛剛講的要嘛就國會調查要嘛檢調你已經移送了那問一下最後的我期待你做一件事情"},{"start":7604.89,"end":7606.812,"text":"對,我們已經在做專案的一個檢討。針對市長會過去的行政疏失,我們在做專案的檢討。"},{"start":7631.334,"end":7647.229,"text":"好,保定,我知道你很盡心盡力在做。啊,說實在的,不管是去年的事情、前年的事情,這都是定一定保定的事情。也是上一任中央市長會的事情。我是肯定你願意去面對。老實說,你也是老實人。可是我要提醒你,人民為什麼到現在為止最想知道的"},{"start":7648.803,"end":7669.736,"text":"會是進口彈這個問題為什麼期待立法院的調查委員會或者是我們經濟委員會成立的調查小組要先查清楚這個案子因為剛講那個疑問點還很多我們要一起加油好不好一定要解決問題一定要解決問題人民才會同意說這個問題是要通過的到目前為止人民也有太多疑問好不好我們共同努力好謝謝部長謝謝主席"},{"start":7684.332,"end":7692.402,"text":"好接下來我們請耐瑞文委員請做詢談謝謝好謝謝召委請陳部長我們請陳部長"},{"start":7699.158,"end":7717.972,"text":"市長好,今天我們處理這個植物診療師法,其實這個從上一屆到現在大家一直在努力,那上一屆其實差一點點,最後的階段。市長好,今天我們處理這個植物診療師法,其實這個從上一屆到現在大家一直在努力,那上一屆其實差一點點,最後的階段。市長好,今天我們處理這個植物診療師法,其實這個從上一屆到現在大家一直在努力,那上一屆其實差一點點,最後的階段。市長好,今天我們處理這個植物診療師法,其實這個從上一屆到現在大家一直在努力,那上一屆其實差一點點,最後的階段。市長好,今天我們處理這個植物診療師法,其實"},{"start":7729.201,"end":7744.438,"text":" 那我問一下,院版的部分下禮拜會進來嗎?剛剛聽到...我們期待就是下禮拜能夠出院會。那如果這些能夠順利的在這一屆來通過的話,部長,這個會產生什麼樣的效益?"},{"start":7744.938,"end":7766.312,"text":"我想一個非常重要的就是現在因為全球暖化氣候變遷的關係那個病床害的不確定性越來越高那農民用過往的經驗其實在防治上面越來越困擾有植物診療師他最大的好處就是能夠用他的專業去協助農民精準的用藥那也因為精準的用藥可以減少農藥的使用"},{"start":7766.8,"end":7784.087,"text":"​​​​​​​​"},{"start":7784.087,"end":7802.756,"text":" ️ ️"},{"start":7802.896,"end":7826.993,"text":"如果這個法過了部長未來大概會招募到多少的預計要多少的植物診療師我看有很多的人已經慢慢在離開這個行業了因為一直等不到這個法的通過我想也謝謝委員關心我們目前是用儲備的方式有100位那因為法一直沒有通過他們的不確定性非常高所以我們以農業部的立場我們也希望法表現在剩100位對我們大概100位現在大概80幾位還要再徵聘"},{"start":7829.235,"end":7857.085,"text":"有些流失掉了有些流失所以我們希望法能夠過那未來我們TOTAL預估大概是3000位那3000位他未來的職場可能是在農會可能是在縣市政府可能是在試驗單位3000位是多久的時間要去把這樣的10年的部分一年大概300位的一個比例用10年的方式達到10年的時間拔到3000位一年增加300位學校端的這些職能的養成"},{"start":7858.208,"end":7877.151,"text":"那現在他們這些未來他們的收入的部分呢?我想收入我們曾經有問過那個用問卷的方式去看那些現在有在聘的農會的部分齁他們現在目前大概期待的價格有沒有大概37000到38000左右大概是這個價嘛"},{"start":7877.892,"end":7897.534,"text":"​​​​​​​​"},{"start":7897.754,"end":7919.586,"text":"如果這是一個重要的行業,也重要的話,我們希望這一塊要有效力的輔導,讓他們價值能夠呈現。那價值呈現的時候,他們才能夠也吸引到更多,而不是只靠興趣,而是他確實能夠在於他整個謀生能力或他的經濟上面能夠給予他一定的支撐。那這樣才能讓更多優秀而有興趣、有專業的人才能夠進到這個領域來。"},{"start":7920.486,"end":7938.302,"text":" ️ ️ ️"},{"start":7938.522,"end":7966.259,"text":"我問一下,其實原來遇到了一些阻力的部分,有些反對的意見,現在不管是從農民、農藥業者或者是林業員役或者是農役技師甚至於醫師的團體應該都獲得了支持了嗎?是,我這邊還是再次強調,就是過去很多販賣農藥業者會擔心說植物診療師過了以後他就不能自己賣農藥,要去考試。這是錯誤的。我們現在植物診療師就算你拿到了證照也不能販賣農藥。"},{"start":7967.74,"end":7991.281,"text":" bicy 因為販賣農藥有另外的販賣農藥的管理的一個徵兆要去處理。他一樣是分開來的。是分開來的,所以不會有影響。那對於現在有的這些園藝院或者是林業的技師,他所從事的工作前也不會被剝奪,也不會說還要再去搞一個事。反而是植物診療可以跟他做一個互補跟加成的作用,讓相關的技師的服務能夠更到位、更專業。"},{"start":7992.932,"end":8016.411,"text":"我們期待這個將來進來之後,這個植物診療師進來之後讓更多大家是多贏的一個局面,創造出更大的一個空間出來,然後他們所擔憂的問題其實不會發生,我認為這應該也是立法上的一個目的。對,我們會繼續持續的去讓他們這些利害關係的人去做更深入的了解。那如果這樣看來的話,以這樣看來這個會期有機會來完成三讀的程序嗎?"},{"start":8017.311,"end":8042.856,"text":"我們是朝這個目標來努力。因為看來這個法也是農業部長期來推動的一個法,那也花了非常多時間來整合。那進來的我也期待,儘快進來之後我們在這會期有機會朝野大家一起努力來完成三讀。對,我們一起努力。接下來我請教一下,其實公糧的一個收購的部分最近大家也很關心,因為我看到院會裡面已經把"},{"start":8043.476,"end":8067.841,"text":"adequ 26塊升到36塊的部分直接進付二讀了。部長你的看法呢?我想委員所提的版本他背後的目的就是希望提高農民的所得嘛那其實提高農民所得有非常多的一個方法跟策略提高公糧是一個方法之一但是我們的評估他在短期間可能"},{"start":8068.541,"end":8097.329,"text":" ️ ️ ️ ️ ️ ️"},{"start":8097.409,"end":8124.087,"text":" bicy 因為現在棄作物的價格都比公糧的價格還高。那我們也透過這樣的一個相關的特定地區去轉焊作。我們希望透過其他的種種配套作為去支撐整個糧價。我覺得整體上應該是怎麼去提升我們稻米的整體的一些價值的部分。那公糧的收購其實變成當然現實上面它有一些農民上的壓力必須要處理。但是如果我們投入了這麼多的資源在這件事情上面的時候。"},{"start":8124.867,"end":8148.887,"text":"但是法沒有去處理到更根本的問題就是對於整個稻米或者是這個糧食的這些的品質的部分我也擔心反倒會有一些惡性的循環的一個狀況包括我看美濃農會也擔心就是現在因為它是用量去計價的那如果這樣的話大家不斷地搶那個量的話那反倒有可能是讓整個我們的產業的部分落入到了一個惡性的循環"},{"start":8149.868,"end":8172.065,"text":"對,部長同意這樣的看法嗎?我非常同意,就是說因為公糧是以量為計量的標準,它不管它的品質。那像現在很多下雨因為倒伏嘛,其實它就是為了追求高產,撕太多的蛋肥,所以很容易倒伏。它面對氣候變遷的風險更大,所以我們希望引導它用一個優質優良的品種。"},{"start":8173.046,"end":8201.169,"text":"​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​"},{"start":8201.169,"end":8222.312,"text":"議員長"},{"start":8222.312,"end":8243.166,"text":"​​​​​​​​​​​​"},{"start":8243.166,"end":8268.166,"text":" ️ ️ ️ ️"},{"start":8269.166,"end":8286.732,"text":"議長,這樣的三個方向是什麼時候可以提出來?我想我們因為很多相關的細節還在做精算。這個精算完了以後我們會抱怨。大概要多久?一個月?我希望能夠越快越好。因為這個研議的部分還要經過院裡面的預算。包括預算的部分。這個我們現在正在做精算。我們期待用這樣比較積極的政策的方向去"},{"start":8297.555,"end":8299.416,"text":"接下來我們請鍾嘉斌委員。鍾嘉斌、鍾嘉斌委員。我們再請謝一芬委員請做懸檔。"},{"start":8329.82,"end":8331.863,"text":"謝謝主席。我想要請我們陳部長。我們再請陳部長。"},{"start":8339.909,"end":8342.91,"text":"農民及農藥業者產生不當聯想。農民及農藥業者產生不當聯想。農民及農藥業者產生不當聯想。"},{"start":8359.616,"end":8374.258,"text":" ️ ️ ️ ️ ️"},{"start":8376.17,"end":8391.088,"text":" 我想謝謝委員的支持因為整個的一個跟利害關係的人包括農民、農藥業者還有一些其他技師工會甚至於醫師工會我們也做了非常多的溝通因為這個版本從106年就開始推了那現在的溝通我想大家都"},{"start":8391.749,"end":8391.889,"text":"來,我們請衛福部"},{"start":8423.137,"end":8427.833,"text":"周季正嗎?一起,一起,我們一起好不好?"},{"start":8429.671,"end":8452.523,"text":"部長,當初你們有送我們的那個進口乳品那你們要求食藥署要用長效乳的方式這也是一般我們台灣糯農為了希望區別我們自己的鮮乳跟紐西蘭進口鮮乳的差別"},{"start":8453.183,"end":8472.841,"text":" ️ ️"},{"start":8472.841,"end":8497.841,"text":" ️ ️"},{"start":8502.184,"end":8521.511,"text":"為什麼食藥署還是不同意?我跟委員說明,我想我們跟衛生部有一個很好的溝通管道。當初我們也的確建議了,因為我們沒辦法用要求,我們用建議的方式請衛生部考慮用我們的方案二,就是長效乳。"},{"start":8522.125,"end":8543.695,"text":"​​​​​​​​​​​​"},{"start":8543.695,"end":8573.524,"text":" ️ ️ ️ ️ ️"},{"start":8573.524,"end":8599.531,"text":" ️ ️ ️ ️ ️ ️"},{"start":8599.531,"end":8605.617,"text":" proporto la ley de la ley de la ley de la ley de la ley de"},{"start":8619.366,"end":8624.789,"text":" »: 部長說跟你們邱部長有溝通。你們食藥署內部勒?有沒有討論?"},{"start":8624.789,"end":8633.935,"text":"»: 有。這個因為我們預告期間其實進來的意見很多。那所以也包括這個... »: 那你們部裡面討論的意見如何?"},{"start":8633.935,"end":8647.404,"text":"»: 我們就是會再把所有的意見都收集起來一併做討論。 »: 我是說你們署裡面勒?你們會不會按照邱部長?部長說跟你們邱部長溝通得很好啊。可是你們食藥署勒?"},{"start":8648.991,"end":8659.277,"text":"我們食藥署其實是部裡的一個單位啦,所以我們是同一個機關。對,這樣最後都會一起共同討論。好,所以你們會按照部長的意見嗎?"},{"start":8661.287,"end":8679.767,"text":"我替食藥組回答一下因為相關的食藥組的法規是預告60天嘛那60天完了以後我相信會用更專業的角度然後依據我們外界的聲音去做一個判斷那我剛才說的我跟衛福部長溝通其實我們是朝共同的同樣的目標去努力"},{"start":8681.227,"end":8708.068,"text":" bicy 因為部長剛來啊。說不定食藥署不想要聽部長的啊。是不是?對不對?也不一定會溝通。你還是要保障我們本土落農的一個啊。所以我的立場非常明確喔。那我會用最大的盡力去跟衛福部去溝通。所以你那個部長溝通了,我覺得你署裡面也是要去協調一下。不然到時候意見不一致了欸。對不對?是不是?部長?陳部長?"},{"start":8710.458,"end":8710.619,"text":"我想"},{"start":8711.817,"end":8741.817,"text":"​​​​​​​​​​"},{"start":8742.217,"end":8765.237,"text":" »: 行政院合可的經費是18.6億嘛。那其中補助產業淘汰低產乳牛每頭2萬。那這個部分有落農去年其實已經陸陸續續淘汰,你知道嗎?就是乳品市場的問題嘛。所以他們已經陸陸續續配合政策都已經淘汰這些乳牛了。"},{"start":8765.998,"end":8785.896,"text":"​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​"},{"start":8786.493,"end":8815.043,"text":" ️ ️ ️"},{"start":8815.299,"end":8838.609,"text":" ️ ️ ️"},{"start":8838.749,"end":8860.007,"text":" »: 引用國產的鮮乳是一個愛護我們臺灣的生態,因為它是一個低碳的產品,對於我們整個地球的環境是更有幫助的。 »: 好,還有一點,不好意思主席再借一點時間喔。還有就是喔,其實現在已經有進口的這個長效的"},{"start":8860.964,"end":8878.217,"text":"​​​​​​​​​​"},{"start":8878.217,"end":8907.654,"text":" ️ ️"},{"start":8909.706,"end":8929.975,"text":"議長,你剛剛還搶先要幫食藥署講話,他給你的預告就已經預告那個鮮乳,他已經對不起你了,你還替他講話。今天我建議你喔,每一個委員都關心這國人的安全,把我們今天國會頻道所有委員的發言全部給食藥署聽。"},{"start":8932.317,"end":8958.774,"text":"因為你七到十度明明有危險嘛明明有高風險嘛對不對他的安全性嘛所以我們支持你一定要堅持不可以什麼長效鮮乳讓民眾混淆視聽嘛對不對你要堅持我們國內的14天就是鮮乳進口的30天以上的就是長效乳這很清楚的好不好明確啦還要替什麼十二組講什麼話"},{"start":8961.175,"end":8978.483,"text":"對,這樣就對了。好,謝謝。來,我們接下來請羅廷偉委員。對不起喔,因為我在台上聽每一位委員,你這麼老實這麼客氣,難怪被欺負啊。來,請發言。好,謝謝趙偉,有請部長。我們再請陳部長。對不起,我們這個,呃,羅廷偉委員,呃,詢答結束,休息三分鐘喔,因為已經11點,謝謝。"},{"start":8994.111,"end":9011.056,"text":"植物診療師法草案,之前叫做醫師,有名稱上的爭議。110年的10月20日曾經一度排審,11月24日續審,當初初審通過確定採用植物醫師為法案的名稱,經考試取得植物醫師的證照。"},{"start":9012.856,"end":9039.252,"text":" bicy 再向地方主管申請職業登記結果當時的問題就在植物醫生的名字搞不定今天謝謝楊瓊瓔願意排案我們就我所知坊間已經有連鎖農藥店打著植物醫院的名號未來有些地方會進駐所謂的植物診療師本席認為相關的立法不能夠再延宕法醫一旦通過很多東西都能夠整合農民種植可以說是"},{"start":9039.872,"end":9063.848,"text":"​​​​​​​​​​​​"},{"start":9063.968,"end":9065.609,"text":" »:委員楊瓊瓔等人提案如未接獲議事處來函則不予審查゚゚゚゚゚゚゚゚゚゚゚゚゚゚゚゚゚゚゚゚゚゚゚゚゚゚゚゚゚゚゚゚゚゚゚゚゚゚゚゚゚゚゚゚゚゚゚゚゚゚゚゚゚゚゚゚゚゚゚゚゚゚゚゚゚゚゚゚゚゚゚"},{"start":9094.298,"end":9116.167,"text":"​​2017年前農委會決議啊在2027年國內化學的農藥有效成分呢用量要從9139公噸降為4570公噸可是農藥一直到去年2022年啊5年過去的都沒有明顯的下降喔估計達到10年減半的目標是不可能你覺得有可能嗎?"},{"start":9117.087,"end":9132.716,"text":" 我跟委員說明當初在訂農藥十年減半的時候的確一開始他們是用量的概念去處理量的減半可是在當年的時候開始去討論其實我們農藥十年減半的背後的目的是希望讓它的風險"},{"start":9133.757,"end":9154.233,"text":"就是農藥對於人類人的風險能夠降低所以我們開始把農藥做四種分類那農藥劇毒農藥是因為農藥劇毒他只要量很少可是他毒性非常強那這個部分劇毒農藥已經退場的大概已經比我們的機器人已經降了73%那這個部分超過了一半以上"},{"start":9156.715,"end":9180.503,"text":"​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​"},{"start":9180.503,"end":9201.715,"text":"゚∀゚。゚∀゚。"},{"start":9201.715,"end":9216.732,"text":" ️ ️"},{"start":9217.049,"end":9234.866,"text":"我講我們鼓勵針對我們的環境永續的有機有善的這個工作當然當然那相對的我們針對這種有機的資材我們農業部也提供了相關的一個補助但是現在我們看到嘛比傳統農藥所花費的費用要多然後又不知道有沒有效我們傳統農藥應該沒有補助"},{"start":9237.705,"end":9262.278,"text":"對。對。對。"},{"start":9262.278,"end":9279.77,"text":"​​​​​​​​​​"},{"start":9280.03,"end":9298.405,"text":" 我想非常了解吼,那也非常謝謝委員的關心吼,特別是劇毒農藥,我們退場,那劇毒農藥它的量非常少,但是它很毒。所以我們一旦退場了以後,我們用低風險的去取代,那低風險的它的量會比原來的劇毒農藥多一點,所以你看到總量的部分是降不下來的。"},{"start":9299.105,"end":9319.31,"text":" »: 但是從人對人的風險的角度來講他是下降的所以我們針對生物農藥這個部分我們會有明確的數據然後也提供政策的誘因去補助能夠鼓勵我們的農民用這樣的一個藥最後我想講生物農藥這部分我們還是希望他能夠在廣為的推廣並且是有效的推廣"},{"start":9319.77,"end":9333.223,"text":"adequ能夠增加誘因讓他們來使用我還是要回歸到剛剛說的使用這個雖然你有補助但對他們來說成本較高第二個不知道有沒有效所以在這個部分能不能多加溝通讓他們能夠趕緊轉型"},{"start":9335.145,"end":9360.282,"text":" bicy 讓我們能夠趕緊知道低風險或者生物農藥正在逐漸的來取代傳統農藥讓國人能夠更加安心而不是看到這些數據我們更加的擔憂我們的農藥量沒有下降的話國人當然就會擔心我們現在的食品衛生會不會有問題這部分請你加油會後是不是能夠提供更有效推廣以及更具競爭的誘因的相關補貼方案給我們"},{"start":9361.383,"end":9387.897,"text":"好,我想會請我們同仁研議以後再提供給我們的...一個月?兩個月?我想一個月,一個月之內,我們把初步的規劃先給委員做參考,然後再討論後面的細節。我想這個拜託你,因為我想包括楊瓊瓔委員齁,我們都有一些農民的選民,我們都有一些食用這些植物或者是蔬果相關的一些選民都很擔憂,所以我們希望這部分能夠加緊腳步好不好?"},{"start":9387.897,"end":9387.937,"text":"好,謝謝。好,謝謝。"},{"start":9395.92,"end":9396.751,"text":"我們現在休息三分鐘 謝謝"},{"start":9681.769,"end":9683.611,"text":"好 謝謝請回座我們繼續開會接下來我們請黃國昌委員請做詢問我們再請陳部長"},{"start":9710.761,"end":9738.724,"text":"議員好。部長,也許上一次質詢的主題也就是在2022年我們從日本進口寄到。上一次詢答的時候,其實你也答應要提供很多資料。到目前為止,資料都還沒有完全的到。所以我想說利用今天質詢的時間,我們進一步的來請教。因為這整件事情之所以會引發大家這麼大的關注,"},{"start":9739.625,"end":9760.002,"text":"是大家發現說2023年超思這家公司出現了那一口氣承接了7億的單子從巴西進口雞蛋大家開始在追蹤說那這家公司到底是什麼時候開始在做這樣子的生意那農業部強調他不是為了要專案進口才成立"},{"start":9760.703,"end":9780.788,"text":"但我們後來發現他在2022年的時候11月就曾經從日本進口雞蛋到台灣而且他在2022年11月從日本進口雞蛋到台灣的時候接的是我們中央續產會的大單他在2022年9月的時候才成立的"},{"start":9781.508,"end":9807.521,"text":"那因此我們進一步追下去發現說原來我們在2022年從日本進口雞蛋那3000萬顆裡面有2500萬顆是由超私所進口進來的所以我那個時候才會跟部長說那這個契約是不是可以提供那到目前為止我所收到的訊息是我們跟超私請超私啦中央區長會請超私進口2500萬顆雞蛋"},{"start":9811.367,"end":9811.613,"text":"沒有契約。"},{"start":9814.053,"end":9844.053,"text":"゚∀゚。"},{"start":9844.393,"end":9860.116,"text":"但你從日本進口2500萬顆雞蛋包括數量包括價格包括交貨的條件包括中間可能要負擔的各式各樣的費用完全沒有合約部長你相信嗎?"},{"start":9860.877,"end":9889.362,"text":"我跟委員說明一下就是從二、三月份委員在關心111年的這個相關的資料以後其實我們內部我從內部就啟動了相關的行政調查那行政調查裡面我們也的確看到了有一些現況是好像有一點點的疑問我們對我們來講是一個疑問所以我們請了行政調查了以後那我也請政風去做更深入的了解那我的態度是"},{"start":9890.612,"end":9891.953,"text":"我只希望把事情還原。"},{"start":9911.731,"end":9938.769,"text":"因為我第一步的事情是,兩千五百萬顆雞蛋竟然沒有合約這一件事情。部長你們行政調查的結果是不是確實是這個樣子?我想我們看到的這些資料,我所了解的是,它其中兩千五百四十萬裡面其中有一部分是跟量財之間的關係。量財之間的關係。最後的確是超市去進口,但是它是跟量財之間的關係啦。"},{"start":9940.77,"end":9964.614,"text":"並不是直接是用超私的名譽去買斷。欸那這樣子跟你們剛剛跟我們講的你們提供給我的書面資料就不符合啊?提供的書面資料是他的確是超私進口的這個買斷的就是我們的付款。我們先把事情講清楚啦那個契約關係到底存在在誰跟誰之間?中央續產會是跟超私買還是中央續產會跟量財買?"},{"start":9970.676,"end":9989.891,"text":"中央區長會跟量產有合約關係跟超市沒有合約關係所以實際上面的狀況是什麼實際上面的狀況是3000萬顆全部都是量產是嗎不是有一部分是超市所謂有一部分是有多大部分我如果沒有記錯的話應該是600多萬顆啦不曉得我老實跟你講啦這幾個月下來你們給資訊"},{"start":9997.95,"end":10026.713,"text":"不是隱匿就是片段前後不一致到今天才講原來有一部分是跟亮采進來的那跟亮采進來的到底數量是多少今天你說得清楚嗎?我想非常詳細的數字我沒有辦法記得那麼清楚好!你們行政調查做完了沒有?我們行政調查做完了做完了行政調查報告可以提供給各位委員嗎?如果相關的規定是可以我一定會提供"},{"start":10027.677,"end":10050.079,"text":"有什麼不可以的理由嗎?你們進行的行政調查社會大眾對這件事情有非常多的疑慮跟質問我們在經濟委員會質詢了這麼久結果你們一開始隱匿不肯給到後來提供的資訊錯誤擺出到今天才承認說原來有一部分的蛋"},{"start":10051.613,"end":10081.613,"text":""},{"start":10082.033,"end":10104.28,"text":"可以把行政調查報告交出來嗎?我還是一句話喔以我的立場齁我可以交的我一定會交我絕對不會隱密齁那相對的就是說我可能必須問我們的法務法治處這邊齁如果可以的話可不可以?原則上來講如果沒有造成我們的困難跟妨礙就OK好如果如果照我們法治講的可以的話我一定會提供好"},{"start":10105.08,"end":10113.944,"text":"所以,多久行政調查報告要交出來?這個禮拜之前可不可以?什麼時候可以交出來?這個禮拜可以嗎?等一下,這個禮拜可以交出來嗎?你們不是已經完成了嗎?"},{"start":10123.271,"end":10142.738,"text":"啊你只要把檔案打開案列印完了以後送到經濟委員會來給所有經濟委員會的委員跟關心的委員嗎?不是,我跟委員說明齁,就是我們對外提供資料的時候相關的這些程序我們必須要完備。什麼樣的程序要報到院長那邊去是不是?要請示院長可不可以提供是不是?"},{"start":10143.738,"end":10147.94,"text":"議長,你告訴委員什麼時間點。好不好?細節你不用在這邊說好不好?好!最慢下禮拜二我一定提供。"},{"start":10171.011,"end":10198.929,"text":"閱完下禮拜二提供那我希望我去函詢問的資料包括了包括了說續產會跟超私往來的記錄續產會跟超私付款的明細續產會跟超私如果沒有一個書面的合約的話針對所有的交易條件到底是怎麼談成的因為整件事情對我來講我必須要說匪夷所思啊匪夷所思這麼大的數量"},{"start":10200.35,"end":10226.733,"text":"沒有合約那所有的交易條件到底是如何達成合意的分兩個部分第一個就行政調查報告的部分部長剛剛已經承諾最晚下個禮拜二提供這個我同意第二個就我去函詢問的問題請部長一併一併能夠可以回覆這樣可以嗎從這個簡報上面看到的我覺得應該可以提供好謝謝"},{"start":10232.429,"end":10232.829,"text":"黃秀芳委員"},{"start":10266.82,"end":10267.741,"text":"謝謝主席 我們請部長我們再請陳部長"},{"start":10277.155,"end":10290.448,"text":"市長,我今天這個幾分鐘的時間我想請教就是我彰化是這個產蛋可能全台灣兩顆蛋一個就是來自彰化那我想請教就是說在最近這幾週裡面連續蛋價是一直在降"},{"start":10295.213,"end":10318.029,"text":" ️ ️ ️"},{"start":10318.029,"end":10341.8,"text":" ️ ️"},{"start":10343.08,"end":10357.21,"text":"​​​​​​​​"},{"start":10357.534,"end":10383.677,"text":" ️ ️ ️ ️"},{"start":10383.677,"end":10405.162,"text":"​​​​​​​​​​​​"},{"start":10405.162,"end":10424.377,"text":"​​​​​​​​"},{"start":10424.377,"end":10444.309,"text":" ️ ️"},{"start":10444.669,"end":10461.396,"text":" bicy 如果老母雞太慢的話我們每一隻會補助一定的金額用這樣的方式但是會跟我們的整個氮基產業能夠有一個共同的共識那這個方案我想我們盡快就會啟動那另外一個方案就是"},{"start":10462.056,"end":10477.773,"text":" ️ ️"},{"start":10477.773,"end":10501.971,"text":" ️ ️"},{"start":10501.971,"end":10526.032,"text":"​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​"},{"start":10526.032,"end":10540.435,"text":"​​​​​​​​"},{"start":10540.97,"end":10556.265,"text":" tatto 9月齁所以我們希望說這一波的那個營業稅降低的時候我希望飼料廠也能夠反映到這些營業稅降低所得到的一些一些價差齁能夠做一點回饋這個我想我們在可是我覺得你們這個應該要確實啊"},{"start":10558.267,"end":10567.094,"text":"對,就是那個飼料的價格不能讓他就維持。如果你既然有幫他有優惠的話,那你應該反映在這個基農要買這個飼料的這個價格應該要有所調整。對,所以我們也積極跟這些飼料廠、飼料工會在做一個協商。是是,好。"},{"start":10583.507,"end":10605.758,"text":" 那個部長我想請教齁,剛剛有特別提到就是說這個暑假,學校放暑假嘛,那原本也許這個團散,團散它原本就有這個可能一天或者是,我看到這個平均齁,學校的這個平均團散一個月喔,一個月才用2.15粒,這個2.15顆蛋或者是有的不到兩顆齁。"},{"start":10607.079,"end":10622.318,"text":" 那其實我覺得這個蛋其實是非常重要蛋白質的一個來源其實我覺得說應該也要去鼓勵這個學校團善應該這個蛋的部分應該也要這個其實這個是很重要的一個蛋白質的來源"},{"start":10622.739,"end":10637.79,"text":"​​​​​​​​"},{"start":10637.79,"end":10664.189,"text":""},{"start":10664.349,"end":10665.13,"text":"接下來我們請陳昌明委員請做詢談。謝謝。"},{"start":10697.478,"end":10701.663,"text":"謝謝主席,現在有請我們農業部陳部長。我們再請陳部長。委員好,部長好。"},{"start":10711.983,"end":10733.857,"text":"首先我特別感謝農業部我們前任的陳部長陳志偉及現任的陳部長對於苗栗縣農業建設的一個支持但是還有幾個重點還沒有完成我一而再再而三的拜託你們前時大概所有農業裡都有冷鏈物流"},{"start":10734.858,"end":10759.58,"text":"那下一次我們要爭取到現在我們發掘現正發掘的能鏈物流很重要正在跟國產市在存貨一個塊土地要來尊重這個能鏈物流的中心我希望你要把錢留著啊那最後一端你也答應我這個能鏈繼續存在嘛"},{"start":10760.492,"end":10778.858,"text":" 我跟委員說明齁,第一期的冷鏈計畫在今年度結束。那我們正在積極地爭取第二期的冷鏈計畫。這第一個跟委員說明的。第二個部分,在我的構想跟我們部裡面的規劃裡面,冷鏈物流我們會在台灣變成一個冷鏈物流網絡。它不是單點的。"},{"start":10779.718,"end":10803.097,"text":"​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​"},{"start":10803.097,"end":10804.639,"text":"議員楊瓊瓔等人提案如未接獲議事處來函則不予審查゚ ゚"},{"start":10824.9,"end":10850.152,"text":"我沒有看到計劃,計劃跟經費我想我們會請我們的同仁去協調啦,就是在一個適當的方式。你不要講這樣,我計劃雙上市,每一個縣市都有苗栗縣不能缺席,你給我答應一句話就好了。我剛才已經說了齁,在整個網絡裡面,物流網絡裡面苗栗縣絕對不會缺席,不會缺掉這個網絡。"},{"start":10852.373,"end":10869.973,"text":"還有你也一直曉得我一直在關於龍鳳漁港那個直銷中心的一個改建。那直銷中心的改建目前也進入到一個關鍵的工程設計建造及興建的階段。"},{"start":10870.934,"end":10892.647,"text":"那在今年的3月,我也邀請我們的一夜市長張市長,他也答應我設計經費970萬。啊到現在,紫雲樓梯上沒有看到那970萬,你這樣去跟我答應,跟台客跟我答應下來,我都下不了台啊,到現在都沒有下來。"},{"start":10893.952,"end":10917.519,"text":" 我跟委員說明齁,就是在整個龍鳳漁港本身的一個整理規劃,我們曾經投入了大概673萬嘛,去做一個規劃。那現在規劃期末報告出來了。那基本上我們會去支持,但是不是沒有條件的支持,我們會看它的規劃的規模啦。因為有時候齁,我們怕齁,每個地方政府會相關的,它的規模太大,結果"},{"start":10918.319,"end":10935.367,"text":" ️ ️"},{"start":10935.507,"end":10962.588,"text":"但是,我現在要跟你講,跟部長報告一下,你那幾人的碧莎漁港、桃園的永安漁港、新池的南寮漁港、台中的吳崎漁港都創造了很多人,變成一個觀光休閒漁港。我在廟裡都沒有,看起來你很照顧,其實很忽視苗栗。所以這個隆鳳漁港,現在要送進來了。"},{"start":10963.973,"end":10983.417,"text":"啊你說派太膨脹、太小。我要求的不多。你幫我建設好就好。我現在再跟你講一個問題。你高雄全鎮漁港改建的經費86億。81億多。沒有啊。86億我的意思。81億多。好了好了。86、81反正超過幾十億嘛。你是中央以專案來前額負擔。"},{"start":10991.019,"end":11002.352,"text":"高雄市政府一家間就變成,我都問議長現在把你踢出來多少年了,零頭都不夠,我只有3億而已。啊你看要幫我嗎?不幫你,高雄的話我不曉得怎麼有這樣特殊的優待,86億、81億,零頭我們都不找。"},{"start":11011.923,"end":11012.264,"text":"我跟委員報告齁。"},{"start":11024.261,"end":11025.642,"text":"議員楊瓊瓔等人提案如未接獲議事處來函則不予審查),"},{"start":11050.64,"end":11078.745,"text":"因為我接到了消息這樣子,我也跟陳部長,前任的陳部長一次答應給我9000萬要去改卷,我把他拒絕掉。我感覺這些泡泡腸通,我不希望做這樣的事情。我要替我們農業部,ECS打造一個榮耕漁港的名氣。現在給你們這邊提出來什麼?我希望你能遷入負擔,因為苗栗縣的財政確實困難。你大發慈悲一下。"},{"start":11079.685,"end":11081.467,"text":"因為我看你們對綠色的就全有的不是,對比較藍色的話"},{"start":11098.206,"end":11114.363,"text":"我以我的態度絕對不會這樣,我絕對看他的重要性啊。我們看他的重要性啊。所以你來當部長是我期望的欸。我說這個人很好。你當代理次長的時候,我不是在跟你吵架的欸。我不會。因為從你講話裡面我都曉得你很實在很務實的人啊。"},{"start":11116.245,"end":11138.053,"text":"現在我今天的重點,一個冷漉溫暖中心,苗栗縣不要缺席。第二個,龍鳳漁港要求的不多,那個叫做龍鳳漁後直銷,我現在只要求一億。其他的地方我會找別的單位來要,你來存錢喔,來幫幫我們苗栗縣好不好。"},{"start":11140.37,"end":11142.952,"text":"我不會輕易的答應任何、承諾任何的實際的經費。我看不到那個計畫書的規模。我絕對不會輕易的,但是我"},{"start":11157.641,"end":11185.643,"text":"我同意苗栗現在物流的部分不能那個網絡一定會在那龍鳳漁港本身的建設有它的必要性因為我們看的評估報告是的確有必要所以我要看那個計畫書的內容我們會給予適當的協助我跟保廉說我們的那個農業事業可有時候沒錢膽子就小了寫的計畫太小都被我罵過了但是你配我一下觀念大溪谷計畫"},{"start":11187.022,"end":11211.357,"text":"​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​"},{"start":11212.073,"end":11212.093,"text":"好,謝謝。"},{"start":11239.036,"end":11243.099,"text":"對,溫柔的質詢。謝謝接下來我們請許富奎委員請做詢答謝主席,有請陳部長我們再請陳部長"},{"start":11262.486,"end":11262.626,"text":"主席"},{"start":11280.589,"end":11307.585,"text":" ️ ️ ️"},{"start":11308.146,"end":11318.175,"text":"月3號漁業署辦一個記者會行銷黑鮪魚之後,在6天後就宣布今年黑鮪魚的漁獲補貨量已達9成,要漁民禁止捕撈。"},{"start":11323.88,"end":11332.262,"text":" »: 請教一下部長目前我們掌握到的狀況是怎麼樣我跟委員說明一下就是去年跟今年特別是今年我們的漁獲量有比較多整個整體的漁獲量的部分那相對的它更密集所以我們"},{"start":11353.508,"end":11381.103,"text":"我們內部也做了檢討就是說我們對於整個的一個捕撈的時間序列的數量沒有非常及時的讓我們的漁民知道透過漁業廣播電台我想這部分我們會改進而且以我現在希望用數位化的資訊讓更多的產交資訊讓漁民知道我想這個部分我們會改進然後第二個部分就是6月9號本身去宣布只有兩天的時間"},{"start":11382.534,"end":11397.722,"text":"​​​​​​​​​​"},{"start":11397.722,"end":11415.35,"text":"​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​"},{"start":11415.35,"end":11433.985,"text":"​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​"},{"start":11434.045,"end":11458.071,"text":" bicy 第三個部分就是我們的配額1965噸年配額我們也在積極的跟那個中西太平洋的委員協會去協調因為一個很死的那個縣對於漁民有沒有捕撈可能會超過嘛應該有適當的緩衝期啦那我更不能接受以我個人不能接受說漁民捕撈到的"},{"start":11458.831,"end":11488.695,"text":"​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​"},{"start":11488.695,"end":11505.469,"text":"​​​​​​​​​​​​"},{"start":11505.589,"end":11524.345,"text":"每一天的速度都很快啊,那我們現在也掌握到說,到底有多少船隻在我們這個海域在追,你們都非常清楚。但是反過頭來,漁民抱怨是什麼?你們只會發錢而已,難道我們在漁民面前在抓魚嗎?說不夠勒,反而要他們把這個辛苦捕獲的漁獲把它丟棄到海上,這樣子對嗎?"},{"start":11527.287,"end":11544.793,"text":"沒有,所以我才會說在國際上的這些配額本身它是一條線我們一直在爭取它是一個百分比就是1965的百分之上下百分之五那這樣的話就能夠減緩就是接近配額的這些魚就算捕撈到了我們也可以把它載回港"},{"start":11546.469,"end":11565.497,"text":"議長本期要求的是說因為這樣的問題不只今年會發生明年後年我們是不是有一樣的怎麼樣的配套措施因為我們現在整個通報系統我們只有局限在所謂的一個漁會嘛並沒有下達到所謂的一個漁民就在漁民都說我們這裡的同地啊我們中間在忙啊所以"},{"start":11565.977,"end":11592.898,"text":"甚至我們有廣播電台有APP系統我們為什麼都沒有善用這些系統來做處理呢?我想我們的通報還是有透過漁業廣播電台去通報但是我們會跟進進就是從開始捕獲的第一天我希望是逐天的針對這些漁獲量能夠做一個統計然後根據當天的漁獲量去做一個預測什麼時候會達到這個配額那這樣子的話讓漁民很清楚的了解"},{"start":11593.899,"end":11609.206,"text":"​​​​​​​​​​"},{"start":11609.546,"end":11630.963,"text":"呃,部長,本席有兩個要求齁。第一個,在兩個禮拜之內,針對我們這一次的檢討報告還有未來的配合措施提供一份書面報告給本席。第一個,針對現在目前在船上海上作業的漁民跟現在已經在陸上做好整備的一些漁民,後續怎麼樣賠償他們的損失的部分,也提出一個書面報告。"},{"start":11632.404,"end":11654.033,"text":"我們不要用賠償這個損失啦,我想我們會有一個產業輔導的方式來協助這個部分。不管什麼名稱啦,市民的信息我們都要給他們賠償啦,這樣好不好?了解,我們會盡努力的去把那個相關的方案去做研議。好,謝謝。好,謝謝。接下來我們請邱志維委員請做詢談。"},{"start":11664.639,"end":11667.942,"text":"委員楊瓊瓔等人提案如未接獲議事處來函則不予審查゚∀゚。"},{"start":11685.509,"end":11696.32,"text":"那這個我們在機場或者港口都有防檢局的同仁在對入出...對入境的旅客的隨身行李進行監檢嗎?包括托運行李嗎?"},{"start":11702.777,"end":11729.964,"text":"對,偷驗行李還有手提行李對,對不對?高風險區就是說它是從疫區過來的我們會那個每一個都是疫區啊?除了台灣、日本不見得因為其他的國家像日本來的我們就就相當的管制規則不一樣非日本之外的亞洲國家就只要是疫區的話只要是疫區的話就屬於高風險區我問你只有台灣跟日本非疫區嗎?其他都是疫區嗎?對不對?那是亞洲啊那美洲的部分美洲的部分大部分也是疫區嘛"},{"start":11730.544,"end":11734.957,"text":"美國也不是疫區啊所以你要看非疫區的國家我們就不用心理安檢對不對"},{"start":11736.212,"end":11763.754,"text":"你們如果去動線怎麼去區分你們知道嗎?瞭解我們我們實際實際在這已經執行一段時間了齁對日本有沒有相關的作為?日本有沒有相關的作為?也日本也是百分之百檢查我好幾次出入出入日本都沒有那個就是因為我們台灣不是疫區所以日本也不是疫區阿對所以相對的就是我們對日本的旅客齁我們的檢查的程度不是啦我們那個日本"},{"start":11764.701,"end":11785.23,"text":" ️ ️"},{"start":11786.527,"end":11815.196,"text":" ️ ️ ️ ️"},{"start":11816.032,"end":11839.189,"text":" ️ ️"},{"start":11839.343,"end":11859.036,"text":"​​​​​​​​​​"},{"start":11859.309,"end":11860.31,"text":"我會後再去檢討我會後我會去檢討我去瞭解"},{"start":11879.961,"end":11907.647,"text":"如果你帶一個泡麵,泡麵是豬肉泡麵,這個有沒有違法?泡麵可以。所以你要加上宣導,很多人不知道,你第一線在這個還沒有進海關之前,你如果被說到說有這個漏製品,你當下丟掉,沒事,對不對?到哪邊才有事?到海關的時候。那海關是會檢查的比例是多少?現在首提的是百分之百。"},{"start":11908.669,"end":11911.236,"text":"然後脫銀行李的話是在下面轉賣的時候。關手提行李100%"},{"start":11913.131,"end":11939.616,"text":" ️ ️ ️ ️ ️"},{"start":11940.236,"end":11964.498,"text":"你抽選的比例很低哩。比日本低很多。日本基本10個大概有8個7個先看護照然後看你心裡看一看。你們都沒有做到這一點。你既然要從嚴但你就要執法要確實。執法一定要落實我想我會後再去重新做專案檢討。看看哪邊是有漏洞的。我是我看到的跟你們說啦。謝謝委員的提醒。"},{"start":11966.363,"end":11991.207,"text":" 那今天這個租診療師在從2006就開始推動立法2016有這個版本出來然後這個如果沒有意外的話這一屆會過因為是也許快的話這個會起因為是跨黨派的版本都有包括院版也有所以這個立法完成之後"},{"start":11992.961,"end":11996.643,"text":"議員楊瓊瓔等人提案如未接獲議事處來函則不予審查゚∀゚。議員楊瓊瓔等人提案如未接獲議事處來函則不予審查゚∀゚。議員楊瓊瓔等人提案如未接獲議事處來函則不予審查゚∀゚。"},{"start":12023.004,"end":12026.985,"text":"對,我知道。所以我想我們會再更積極的包括利害關心人包括農藥販賣業者包括農民。"},{"start":12045.796,"end":12075.107,"text":"不會反而農民本身的用藥會更精準他農藥的使用費可能可以下降好那另外還有一個很多人提出的問題就是說會不會跟原液機師跟農液機師啊對他的業務重疊這個也不會這個完全不會有影響你要讓這些原液機師跟農液機師知道說我植物診療師法通過之後對你們的業務不會造成影響這個我想我們已經持續在一年多早期可能有一些餘裕啦"},{"start":12075.367,"end":12105.111,"text":"​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​"},{"start":12105.211,"end":12124.939,"text":" 那培養這些植物的這個所謂診療師目前大概有儲備了幾位?我們現在目前用事辦的方式用儲備植物醫師大概100位啦。然後我們預估法通過以後我們的目標就是一年300位。那你預估一線的需求大概需要多少?"},{"start":12125.299,"end":12144.087,"text":" ️ ️"},{"start":12144.087,"end":12159.698,"text":" bicy 齁,那你現在只有100位,那你檢查的培育也沒有那麼快。 齁,那你現在只有100位,那你檢查的培育也沒有那麼快。 沒有,已經有很多畢業的人齁,他是已經有資格的知識。 他要去考照啊。 對,但是還要經過考照,所以我們現在在同步。 所以他是用實習植物診療師是嗎?"},{"start":12159.698,"end":12160.479,"text":"儲備。 儲備還是實習?"},{"start":12160.479,"end":12165.082,"text":"儲備。 沒有考照,就算實習嘛。 他還是儲備。 我們現在是用儲備。 儲備能不能執行業務?"},{"start":12165.082,"end":12166.143,"text":"儲備能不能執行業務?"},{"start":12166.143,"end":12166.784,"text":"儲備能不能執行業務嘛。"},{"start":12171.052,"end":12176.021,"text":"他還是可以做診斷,只是不能做簽證的業務,就是不能開證明。那你這個國考的證照什麼時候會出來?"},{"start":12183.675,"end":12201.81,"text":" »: 法的部分通過了以後我相信我們跟那個考試已經跟跟考選部已經談得差不多了那接下來我想我們所以你立法通過之後到你那個實際上的植物診療師實行簽證業務我相信上個月之內國家考試就會就會就會有一個定版然後好幾次"},{"start":12203.114,"end":12216.903,"text":" ️ ️"},{"start":12217.5,"end":12247.363,"text":" ️ ️"},{"start":12249.721,"end":12262.897,"text":"好 謝謝接下來我們請侯孟楷委員請做詢答謝謝我們中午不休息到會議結束 謝謝好主席謝謝麻煩請陳部長我們再請陳部長"},{"start":12272.402,"end":12299.312,"text":"好,部長那個植物診療師我想非常的重要但是本席有另外一個議題也要跟您就教就是所謂的獸醫師啊動物醫師也相關重要那剛剛我們很多委員都在詢問是說那植物治療師、診療師他到底什麼時候如果法通過之後你說三個月內可以出來考試相關的部分相關的規範相關的規範那預計什麼時候可以上線來做考試"},{"start":12301.186,"end":12320.739,"text":"這個因為我們規範出來以後那因為考選部那邊我們會溝通啦我們是我們個人的期待就是農業部的期待今年年底有辦法嗎我們是希望在年底就是半年能夠有機會因為很多人在那邊等了是很多人在那邊等好那一樣很多人也在等我們2021年通過獸醫師法的修法第30條偵測動物醫事助理通過"},{"start":12327.099,"end":12347.937,"text":" 那時候動物醫師助理最主要就是我們希望能夠解決現在的這個獸醫院它可能有很多的醫療行為是沒有辦法讓獸醫師一個人來去做處理所以說希望有助理就如同我們人醫有護士一樣動物醫師助理就等於是獸醫的護士來協助做一些醫療的行為"},{"start":12349.298,"end":12378.662,"text":"但是2021年的5月修法通過到目前2024年3年過去了動物醫師助理的制度現在怎麼還沒有出來我是不是可以請保健署這邊做一個說明簡單說明一下因為本市一直在追啊3年欸是謝謝委員我們是在112年3月是發布這個動物醫師助理的認證機構的認定去年的3月核可認定辦法終於出來那已經兩年了"},{"start":12378.922,"end":12402.436,"text":" 那從去年3月到現在6月的時間,一年三個月又過去了。 是。因為我們要對他做認證,所以他同年的12月他就開始送件。然後我們在112年12月跟112年2月就召開審查會。那我們今年112年的5月,我們就合訂了他獸醫師公會全聯會是一個合可的認證機構。 是嗎?"},{"start":12403.937,"end":12428.499,"text":"這些本席也都已經有詢問過都了解我現在只是想請教獸醫師公會全國聯合會現在也研擬要開班準備到各區辦說明會那什麼時候可以考試8月的時候我們就可以受理報名因為全聯會在這個月的19號跟26號要開一個辦理這個說明會讓大家知道怎麼去做那預計8月的時候就受理報名"},{"start":12429.9,"end":12454.46,"text":"閱讀者完成216小時的課程以後通過考試就可以取得認證那今年應該...所以現在是我們的規劃方向是只要授課完畢通過考試通過全聯會所舉辦的考試是不是就可以取得這個認證資格就可以符合我們獸醫師法30條的動物醫師助理的資格對不對那初期規劃會有多少名額"},{"start":12456.464,"end":12460.679,"text":"呃要看要看報名啦應該有幾百人應該是沒問題來好部長麻煩"},{"start":12462.46,"end":12490.942,"text":"議長,本席為什麼會那麼重視因為相對來說動物、植物都很重要我想這也是我們未來的趨勢跟現在社會的一個常態那很多人都認為是說獸醫師過去大家也都希望說能夠合格認定也因此才會想說既然動物醫師助理有這樣的一個制度很多獸醫師每年那個獸醫師節或獸醫師公會的時候也都邀請我的時候我都會講是說我們2021年就修法通過了但在三年的時間一直沒有出來那"},{"start":12491.903,"end":12509.172,"text":"​​​​​​​​"},{"start":12509.474,"end":12537.354,"text":"有農學院的學校來提供場地來上課分別是台灣大學、中興大學、嘉義大學跟屏東科技大學看得出來應該就是北、中、南的一個狀況可是本席還是呼籲跟建議應該要更擴大一點至少縣市的部分如果說能夠有一個縣市能夠來配合你這樣子會對於地方上的這些需求比較有所幫助部長能夠同意嗎?"},{"start":12537.894,"end":12566.172,"text":"我想非常同意齁特別是對委員趕到抱歉就是112年3月發布以後這麼多時間了還沒有特殊的進展雖然說現在8月才開始報名總算開始啦我想以後我會針對這個案子去做專案列管因為我覺得一個法的目的是要解決一些問題結果法通過了以後你的後端的執行面拉太長的話就失去當初我們委員大家努力讓法通過的一個目標啦所以這個部分我想我以農業部"},{"start":12566.852,"end":12595.469,"text":"​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​"},{"start":12595.509,"end":12605.714,"text":"所以我想我會用專案的方式請我們督導次長去做一個比較完善的規劃,而不是讓全聯會自己去設計遊戲規則。包括我們的續展試驗所,受益所也可以當作一個訓練的機構。這個部分我想我們會來努力。"},{"start":12614.218,"end":12642.262,"text":"好 謝謝部長很正面的回應喔本席因為從2021年就推動這樣的一個修法那本席也很重視其實動物的一個部分我們都一直要關注所以我其實已經不只一次講過了動物醫師助理的制度出來之後本席也會我也會第一個報名我也希望能夠變成是第一個動物醫師助理的制度出來之後我可以拿到相關身份的人也許未來我不一定"},{"start":12642.722,"end":12644.404,"text":"bedingt 216 個小時的上課我也一定會過去參與我也期待委員可以上那個植物診療師的"},{"start":12659.599,"end":12682.618,"text":"好,那就等那個出來啦好不好但是我至少動物醫師助理我是先宣告那我也希望今年年底之前動物醫師助理跟植物診療師這兩個部分都真的能夠推動並且能夠讓民眾來報考能夠產生我們動物醫師助理跟植物診療師有沒有把握我現在用專案列管就會追他們的一個時程好感謝部長謝謝"},{"start":12687.885,"end":12701.338,"text":"非常感謝黃孟楷委員他對於這個法案是非常的積極那因為有很多委員也都很關心所以剛剛我們也非常高興聽到部長說會專案列管那剛剛特別講到像線上上課這個應該都符合現在的時事"},{"start":12704.701,"end":12727.227,"text":"​​​​​​​​​​​​"},{"start":12727.307,"end":12732.51,"text":"何欣淳、何欣淳、何欣淳、何欣淳、何欣淳、何欣淳、何欣淳、何欣淳、何欣淳、何欣淳、何欣淳、何欣淳、何欣淳、何欣淳、何欣淳、何欣淳、"},{"start":12747.517,"end":12749.258,"text":" »:委員楊瓊瓔等人提案如未接獲議事處來函則不予審查゚。゚。゚。゚。゚。゚。゚。゚。゚。"},{"start":12777.498,"end":12777.938,"text":" 請農業部提供答案。"},{"start":12804.838,"end":12831.681,"text":""}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}