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在交通委員會你是我在交通委員會第12個交通部長那"},{"start":2915.427,"end":2940.849,"text":"其實歷任的部長剛就任之初都有很多具體的政策的想法有的人想要推動綠色交通有的人想要推動智慧交通有的人想要全面的推動軌道交通等等但是不管對於交通部未來的政策方向規劃每個部長都有自己具體的一個想法但是最重要還是在於安全"},{"start":2941.73,"end":2963.268,"text":"我認為安全是交通部長最基本最重要的一個責任那今天因為時間的關係我就先針對鐵道安全來跟部長來交換相關的意見我們看到日本在2023年他們的新幹線跟在來線加起來"},{"start":2964.329,"end":2977.463,"text":"其實他們的鐵道總長是達到27311公里那每日的乘客大概1700萬人新幹線就好像我們這邊的高鐵再來線就好像我們這邊的台鐵那我們的台鐵啊"},{"start":2980.866,"end":3006.618,"text":"軌道的總長是1065公里那每天搭乘的人數大概在60到65萬人左右那我們看到2023年日本的鐵道的事故新幹線加上在來線總共是558件死亡0人受傷15人那台灣我們單單來看台鐵的部分台北有777件"},{"start":3008.519,"end":3031.775,"text":"那死亡的人數有25人受傷的人數有33人那針對台鐵的這個部分杜葳董事長在擔任台鐵局長以及擔任台鐵公司董事長之後有積極的要推動相關的改善的措施但是這個改善的措施目前還看不出來杜董事長還有部長"},{"start":3033.178,"end":3055.731,"text":"買新車剛才部長有提到EMU900型520輛都已經到了那EMU3000型總共是600輛也來了564輛到8月底通通會到嘛對不對來杜董事長說明一下是我們EMU900型現在已經全部都上線了你愛行車買行車那這個新車總共是將近970億左右那"},{"start":3062.202,"end":3091.303,"text":"有新車相關的安全計畫交通委員會不分朝野的立委都全力的支持不管是過去的六年行車安全改善計畫或者是電路智慧化的提升計畫或是小半徑彎曲的改善計畫是還有軌道結構安全的改善計畫這個經費也將近一千億八百億左右大概八百億左右也都全力的支持那目前這些計畫的進度是如何呢來杜董事長"},{"start":3092.704,"end":3110.256,"text":"跟委員報告剛剛講的這一些計畫我們其實在台鐵局階段我們都有按照時程在進行剛剛委員提到這個的確我們跟日本相比還有很多改善的空間這個我們在公司階段我們會持續來做加強"},{"start":3111.617,"end":3135.897,"text":"杜董事長我現在是具體的來提出要求這是民眾在看的認為說政府還有交通委員會部分草原的立委都在支持你們不管是新車或是相關的安全改善計畫花很多錢啦都轉給你們支持那為什麼這些相關的事故死亡人數受傷人數沒有辦法降下來呢要提出具體的說明啦"},{"start":3136.977,"end":3151.711,"text":"跟委員報告其實這是有比較綜合性的因素那我們現在在做的就是把以前我們台鐵比較欠缺的我們的安全體系把它已經建立了董事長因為時間的關係"},{"start":3153.573,"end":3167.575,"text":"你現在臺鐵剛改制為臺鐵公司部長我們就給臺鐵公司杜董事長一年的時間來觀察我們整年的相關的件數死亡人數受傷人數都必須要具體的下降"},{"start":3169.428,"end":3183.798,"text":"部長說明一下你對台鐵相關的安全要如何具體的督促?安全的部分我想台鐵的安全因素是大家都非常的關注那大概可以分三個方向一個是車一個是路一個是人"},{"start":3184.378,"end":3199.733,"text":"那車的部分我們現在已經在委員的支持之下更新了他的車輛那我想對車輛的性能的安全性會有提升那路的部分就是包括邊坡等等還有路口有些平交道路口因為台北現在還有400多處"},{"start":3200.674,"end":3200.934,"text":"高鐵公司姜董事長"},{"start":3229.554,"end":3251.389,"text":"我們台灣的高鐵大概是350公里每天搭乘的人數現在都大概有20萬左右去年是20萬對那其實我們看到高鐵相關的事故其實也有逐年上升的這個趨勢這個要特別注意我們2021年的事故有16件2022年27件2023年已經達到36件2014年1月到4月現在已經有8件"},{"start":3258.834,"end":3284.992,"text":"這個必須啊這個速度這麼快的高鐵相關的事故是不容發生來董事長說明一下的確是這樣沒有錯那我想屬於可規則台灣高鐵公司的事件的確今年是1到5月總共事件那兩件呢是屬於保安系統就是倒岔的操作這兩天不是又一件嗎"},{"start":3286.226,"end":3288.765,"text":"那另外有兩件是人為疏失"},{"start":3291.19,"end":3304.257,"text":"這個都要具體的改善那當然好那陳文貴局長還有部長我現在要來講另外一個議題偽造車牌的問題當然偽造車牌現在很嚴重2022年有查到519件2023年924件今年1到5月已經837件我看今年可能就會突破2000件"},{"start":3316.664,"end":3316.784,"text":"委員會主席"},{"start":3337.964,"end":3355.896,"text":"委造相關的車牌那這一種的是更難更難去查緝因為有時候交通警察在路上也會看到這個車牌跟這個車的型號就不一樣或顏色不一樣所以越普及越大眾型的這種車輛他的車牌被偽造的件數會越多"},{"start":3356.676,"end":3373.891,"text":"但是我們看到當然有相關的兩條法令在查起就是道路交通管理處罰條例第12條編造車牌處滑環3600以上10800元或者是禁止行駛那還有刑法第212條"},{"start":3376.653,"end":3391.843,"text":"委託特種文書罪是一年以下有期徒刑、居宜或者是9000元以下的罰金但是執法很困難對不對陳局長因為你從來遠去查去的話他會說這是人家要收藏車牌"},{"start":3393.575,"end":3408.527,"text":"你很難去查去 來說明一下是 各位報告我們目前大概就是說從這個警察機關跟監理機關就是說因為道路上面有一些的就是說像剛委員所提到高速公路它ETC裡面就是說如果說因為要繳費"},{"start":3409.668,"end":3432.919,"text":"所以在同一個這很短的時間裡面就是說同樣的車牌號碼在不同的地方出現的話其實確實像高速公路局就會把這個資訊給我們我們在這個最近一年確實高速公路局移過來有830件那這個部分的話其實屬於這個衛照變照的第一個處罰條例這邊就是註銷然後再來的話就是有些需要移送檢察機關去查緝的也會去處理"},{"start":3434.56,"end":3453.119,"text":"在目前我們交通部局公路局的態度都非常消極都跟消費者跟我們的駕駛人說你的車牌被偽造你趕快去換車牌就這麼消極的態度說民眾苦不堪言我們來看我們因為時間的關係我具體的建議第一個我們能不能增加車牌的偽造難度"},{"start":3458.226,"end":3484.425,"text":"這個部分我們再來我們跟警政系統要建立聯防的機制這個局長部長我們來跟這個警政署來相關的這樣的一個聯繫對話我們要研議去使用變造車牌的駕駛人在監理機關內部來進行註記就是說在一定期限內出現再犯者必須要加重他的相關的罰則這個公路局跟交通部要來研議"},{"start":3485.486,"end":3490.23,"text":"在該車主遭到變造車牌情況還沒有改善之前要提供必須的援助來部長說明一下"},{"start":3505.277,"end":3512.422,"text":"我想確實委員剛剛提到的增加這個防偽的這個這個等級那這個我們請公務局來來做研議那另外怎麼樣讓有偽造有連續偽造的記錄的人那麼他加重他的這個罰則這個我們也來處理局長時間的關係你們能不能在一個月內提出相關的改善辦法"},{"start":3528.254,"end":3529.034,"text":"現在請黃建豪委員發言"},{"start":3563.5,"end":3567.097,"text":"好謝謝主席那我們先請交通部李孟諺部長請李部長"},{"start":3578.124,"end":3594.554,"text":"部長第一次來交通委員會質詢那當然本席要來就教幾個問題我想從今天的書面報告跟今天口的報告裡面我想給部長先看一個這個全台灣的人口密度的這個分佈圖"},{"start":3595.935,"end":3618.951,"text":"這邊是全台灣前20大人口分佈的這個行政,密度最高的行政區那也看到說其實前20大裡面有3個區域目前都還沒有捷運建設剛好這3個都在台中市好那我想從今天的這個口頭報告跟書面報告裡面書面報告裡面羅列了全台灣各地正在進行的這個捷運建設那其中光是這個台北都會區就佔了9條"},{"start":3620.532,"end":3624.996,"text":"臺中現在人口密度高那他要是全國第二人口第二多的城市但是在我們整個全國這個捷運建設裡面似乎落後其他城市許多部長你認同嗎"},{"start":3646.422,"end":3670.891,"text":"我想台中現在是只有一條捷運那在六都裡面確實以他的人口比例是還有進步的這個空間好部長謝謝那在看到我們台中所謂的這個大宗捷運系統整體路網有分所謂的近期中期遠期我想先請教一下部長這個近期中期遠期他是一個固定的概念還是可以隨著都市的發展來調整的概念"},{"start":3672.231,"end":3697.565,"text":"我想每個地方政府他在提報根據整個整個整體入網裡面哪一些要提報優先這個部分是可以來彈性調整可以彈性調整嗎因為你看所謂近期入網108到105所謂近期入網捷運綠線當然現在主要的完成它的延伸性還沒有做藍線也才剛過了所謂的那個綜合規劃還要再蓋10年那我們的橘線所謂機場捷運"},{"start":3698.886,"end":3718.465,"text":"目前也還在這個可規之前也還在這個交通部在準備繼續審所以108到125這三條其實基本上真正能做完的在這個綠線算是做好而已做好一半了80%做好還有20%還沒做所以其他都還等於都還在進度中那我要提的是其實像這一次我要特別跟局長來跟部長來拜託就是說"},{"start":3720.885,"end":3747.9,"text":"中期入網有一條這個崇德豐源線那這個崇德豐源線大家可以看到一下我們從下一頁他沿途經過了北區北屯潭子神崗豐源這個整個服務區域包含了這幾個區域有包含十四季重化潭子加工區還有很多學校那還有很多重要的這個觀光遊戲區域配合台中市的都市計畫包含我們的朱立棒球場包含我們的崇德義中商圈還有未來的巨蛋還有很多新的百貨公司等等的"},{"start":3748.34,"end":3777.301,"text":"所以其實這個崇德豐原縣臺中市的人口如果這幾年快速成長如果我們可以從人口結構上看到主要就是在這個崇德豐原縣上他的人口在快速成長所以我想要問的是說這個本來崇德豐原縣是被列為這個中期路網那部長你有沒有機會支持讓崇德豐原縣提早一點因為像比如說我們的所謂的近期路網藍線當年的可行性規劃跟這綠線的可行性規劃可能就光是前面的文書作業又走了10年了"},{"start":3778.381,"end":3798.752,"text":"崇德豐元縣如果我要按照就算按照本來的期程要120年開始做的話是不是有機會能把它提前一點點崇德豐元縣我想就整體的入網裡面有哪一些遠期入網要提早那通常我們這個是由地方政府就是市政府這邊來發動那我想細節我是不是請局長跟您"},{"start":3802.625,"end":3818.804,"text":"跟委員報告我想這個案子我們委員還有這個副院長也非常關切那現在因為他是列在中期入網那我覺得這個程序可以並行也就是說同步來調整我們的入網計畫跟啟動這樣的一個案子的可行性研究"},{"start":3819.764,"end":3843.191,"text":"所以這個部內會支持我們把這個崇德風先提早一點開始做相關的文書作業提早開始做吧是的好謝謝部長也謝謝我們局長好那接下來換這個談論一個民生議題我想都會區的民眾非常的在意一件事情就是我們這個噪音車啊但在這個噪音車在現行的道路交通管理處罰條例裡面"},{"start":3844.69,"end":3859.542,"text":"在這個112年也曾經修法把它提高過在43條的第5項裡面提到說拆除消音器或以其他方式造造成噪音的話可以適用這個道交處罰條例但是我想問一下部長你知道實務上這一條對於這個噪音車是不是適用嗎"},{"start":3868.175,"end":3880.466,"text":"目前我們的交通的法規是只有針對違規裝這個不合格的消音器有相關的罰則但是對於噪音的那個分貝數是在環境部這邊的處罰不過細節我請我們司長跟您報告"},{"start":3887.07,"end":3906.759,"text":"這個部分跟委員報告一下就是針對43條的部分基本上是以危險駕駛為前提那當時在立這個拆除效應器或以其他方式造成噪音那基本上是當時這個飆車那有拆除這個效應器或是當時飆車有弄那個鐵鍊然後在地上磨當時是這樣子立法這個原意"},{"start":3907.239,"end":3935.197,"text":"那後來就是說都市噪音比較那個的那噪音超過噪音標準那個部分是回歸到這個噪音管制法這邊相關的規定那這個課題其實也有跟這個環境部跟警政署那邊做過這個討論那在執法的這個觀點而言的話警署那邊是認為說這個東西還是要以危險價值行為為前提市長謝謝其實我知道你們在105年交通部在105年有一個函式但是這個函式我看完之後我覺得這個等於"},{"start":3936.458,"end":3959.273,"text":"這個還是看完之後我覺得這個原來原條文那等於形同句文啊因為這個你們把它解釋成是因為包含現在講說這是因為有危險價值嚴重超出等等的但是它的白紙黑字中文上面明明就寫著說就是有這個其他方式製造噪音但是如果要去解釋什麼叫其他方式製造噪音又這樣擴張解釋的話"},{"start":3960.894,"end":3976.366,"text":"等於這個條文對我來講或對很多民眾來講他等於沒有辦法適用在現在有很多人是為了拆除消音器或製造噪音因為在深夜在這種都會區來飆宿的時候他的噪音是不是這條現在是無法處理的我想確認這件事情"},{"start":3980.921,"end":3992.977,"text":"如果說單純他只要有拆除消音器的話就有這條的一個適用那如果說之前大家這個在討論的時候欸噪音超過比如說100分貝是不是拆除會適用那改裝可以使用嗎"},{"start":3995.2,"end":4020.605,"text":"改裝製造噪音改裝的部分的話就會回到這個處罰條例這個第16條的部分增減這些相關這個排氣管的部分所以這一次環保署實施那個機車排氣管單品認證那以後如果說要換裝排氣管就要使用環保署這個認證合格的產品那如果說不符合他那個部分的話就會依照16條來做處理就是這個擅自增減這個不合格的這個排氣管"},{"start":4020.905,"end":4025.868,"text":"環境部的部分如果要提相關的修法我想問一下我們交通部這邊會不會以這個所謂的43條的這個精神來支持相關的噪音管制的法條"},{"start":4044.261,"end":4045.742,"text":"黃建豪委員發言完畢現在請林國成委員發言"},{"start":4072.705,"end":4093.096,"text":"請李部長請李部長還有我們林師長請林師長 林福山師長委員好好 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.681,"text":"所以老百姓聲音還小,軍方的聲音還更大,軍方那些我們從軍的子弟他要回高雄去,先要在松山機場落或是基隆碼頭的港口落,落了以後還要再打高鐵或是再轉機回高雄"},{"start":8643.479,"end":8667.618,"text":"我想這個對在前線服役的子弟也不公平另外就是高雄很多的鄉親要希望到馬祖來觀光,他們走哪一條線?他們高雄先到金門去,金門到廈門,廈門到福州,福州到馬祖用這種方式來,因為馬祖在觀光季的時候一票難求所以我想交通部隊離島偏鄉"},{"start":8669.861,"end":8673.815,"text":"有行的便利的義務跟責任,部長你覺得勒?"},{"start":8675.552,"end":8699.69,"text":"我們確實是有讓大家在交通上能夠有享有一樣的權利我們臺北人到宜蘭去都可以打個雪山隧道最近我們傅坤吉總召也說東西部也要串通國道5號、國道6號、高鐵、快速道路他也提出來,為什麼?因為老百姓緊急需要"},{"start":8701.021,"end":8723.609,"text":"那現在就是說,我們交通部所做的每一件事情,應該不是以盈利為目的吧?是以盈利事業為目的嗎?不是,不是為了賺錢嘛,是不是?你要把這個血路打通、打開,這才是我們交通部主政之道所以部長,我曾經這個議題在總諮詢對院長也提出來,也請院長幫忙"},{"start":8726.157,"end":8752.264,"text":"我拜託部長,是不是能夠召集觀光署、民航局、跨局處的會議請你主持一下因為已經兩年了,我想從民航作業基金來補助因為航港局有類似的慣例,他們從航港作業基金去處理這方面的事情民航局也希望能夠從這方面處理,但是民航局怕援引效應,怕澎湖金門跟進"},{"start":8753.721,"end":8773.847,"text":"根據就根據,有什麼關係?根據就根據,也給他一千萬。我想交通部七八千億的總預算,不在乎那麼一點錢。所以我拜託部長這一方面能不能幫忙一下,你也可以請明航局長說明一下好不好?何局長說明一下"},{"start":8775.578,"end":8790.902,"text":"因為我們要請觀光局觀光署來補助這個東西跟委員報告確實就是說照顧離島居民行的權利這個是我們不應該民航局也應該來責無旁貸那不過因為這一條航線或者是整個在補貼的虧損的機制上"},{"start":8793.143,"end":8794.124,"text":"臺中南竿也有營運"},{"start":8809.411,"end":8811.352,"text":"虧本生意沒有人做的航空公司也一樣雖然"},{"start":8840.865,"end":8855.67,"text":"雖然華信是交通部所屬的股份我們佔比比較多問題是人家還是以盈利為目的有錢才去沒錢賺他跑去做這個生意他要對股東大會要對董事會負責"},{"start":8857.14,"end":8879.926,"text":"對,所以跟委員報告,就是剛剛有提到,這個部分我們才會說,如果促進高雄跟這個馬祖之間,如果除了一些基本的需求,還有一些觀光的需要,那是不是因為當初也有委員有垂詢的時候,部理會來召開跨局署的會議?我想不管怎麼處理,部長"},{"start":8882.113,"end":8901.801,"text":"我今天拜託部長,你剛剛才上任,我們都留下一個很好,彼此都留下一個很好的印象我希望你能夠在部裡面重視這件事情,航港局你對馬祖地區很多虧損的東西你都補貼了民航局你也一樣,從馬祖飛台北"},{"start":8903.164,"end":8930.759,"text":"這裡面虧損的事情你交通部當然要負起責任來你要負責把馬祖的老百姓跟居民送到台灣來把台灣的居民再送回去返鄉或是尤其現在觀光力線這觀光客把他送到那邊去這都非常重要的你們都曉得花蓮現在住宿一個晚上民宿補助他一千塊為什麼?因為地震嘛是不是?那所以這個行的便利跟責任你們要扛起來嘛你不能因為說"},{"start":8932.13,"end":8954.048,"text":"每個局每個處都有他本位主義,他在想這個問題,那這樣這個事情就不要做了,是不是就開花了?是不是?部長你說明一下好不好?我想這個部分我們會再邀集相關的局處,另外甚至是跨部會包括國防部大家一起來我已經受不了了,已經兩年了,部長"},{"start":8955.709,"end":8971.334,"text":"我希望你一個月以內好不好,我也不要你說一兩個禮拜啊,一個月以內希望部長能夠回答我這個問題好不好你怎麼解決,你不管觀光署也好,民航局也好,我都沒意見,我都沒意見,但是你把這問題幫我解決,可以不可以?"},{"start":8971.974,"end":8992.987,"text":"是,我們來尋找看怎麼樣有一個最佳化的解決的方案另外的港港局,我們台中那個港警,港警所破破爛爛,破爛不堪我拜託葉局長這邊能夠給港務公司一點錢,給他兩千萬,幫他這個做一個維修好不好,做個小修,可以嗎?局長"},{"start":8995.785,"end":9024.466,"text":"包委員,因為有關港警廳舍的維修,在行政院跟交通部有一個協助的原則我想我下禮拜五已經訂好一個會議時間,邀請相關單位來做一個協商那我們會盡量來做協助,在院跟處的原則下那個國防署周市長拜託好不好你不要何局長推到你那邊去,你那邊又說你這裡又不能補助馬祖那你這樣弄的話,讓我們新任的部長"},{"start":9027.207,"end":9041.348,"text":"合作無間沒錯,你不要讓我們新任的部長很為難好不好,讓他部長剛剛才上任有點坐不下去的感覺好不好,希望你們兩位協調一下好不好馬祖飛高雄的航線拜託"},{"start":9042.429,"end":9068.459,"text":"部長一個月給我答覆好不好因為不能再拖了這個準備因為飛機要航空公司還有準備的時間你現在如果承諾他的話他起碼要十月份才能夠飛航他有地面還有空中的準備工作部長好不好我們來看怎麼樣找到一個具有橫平性怎麼找你去找因為所有的權力都抓在你的手上好不好那個謝謝召委謝謝"},{"start":9071.456,"end":9095.89,"text":"陳雪生委員發言完畢現在請邱若驊委員發言主席好謝謝主席主席有請李部長還有民航局何局長還有我們桃園國際機場公司的楊董事長請楊董事長"},{"start":9105.749,"end":9128.033,"text":"國營好部長好局長好還有董事長好那我們今天也是同樣的先來看我們的航空運輸那今年0303我們的淘機跑道碎修導致嚴重的塞機事件當時交通部就提出相關的檢討說要繼續教訓然後不要大意加強應變還有協調我想先請教部長局長我們桃園行情的slogan是什麼"},{"start":9131.851,"end":9154.156,"text":"航行的slogan桃園航行有口皆北地勤服務世界一流可是根據民航局提供的說明資料桃行公司113年違規的事件今年1月到4月就有35件那5月份有事件那其中一件還是地安事件民航局是等到5月1號的時候航機拖車漏油事件還有發生35起違規才下令檢討嗎"},{"start":9159.319,"end":9185.141,"text":"我想跟委員報告在這個整個機場的地勤管理其實是一個三級制逃勤本身要自我管理那當然他發生的這一些超限或者是事件非常多那這個部分個案來講逃機這邊有對他做一些相關的處理如果他比如說他有之前有一個案件他有去撞到他會去把他的若是小客那個拖車的駕駛他會去做一些處理個案都有處理"},{"start":9185.982,"end":9210.511,"text":"那在5月份的時候發生這個航機拖油的這個漏油的事件那這個部分我們有請他提出檢討報告然後相關的逃勤來講他也做了相關的一些改善措施那可是根據這個期間所發生的一些譬如說他有一些超速或超限的這一些不當的部分這部分我們會再要求逃勤這邊來再做改善這個是第一個部分"},{"start":9210.911,"end":9235.991,"text":"那第二部分就是說在航空站經營人的這個部分逃機的部分他也可以再加強每一天的一些督察的等於是外機的動作那這個部分我們會來這個強力要求其實像這些事故都已經影響到乘客的權益了像還有那個借泊車把把旅客載到錯誤的班級那這樣子常常會畫的除包如果沒有揭露的話"},{"start":9237.065,"end":9262.159,"text":"那現在針對這些35起的違規事件有沒有做出懲處相關懲處個案的部分是在這個淘機做處理人員的訓練等等比如說他在吊扣他的一些駕照的部分是淘機在做處理那至於是不是整個全面性的一個檢討的部分這部分我們會再另外要求有沒有檢討地勤作業的SOP管理機制"},{"start":9263.43,"end":9281.473,"text":"他的SOP其實基本上他每發生一個案件他就應該要去做檢討那這個部分我們會再來細部再來看他所有的SOP的部分淘汰的部分基本上他要先提出來那淘汰的部分會做調查那這個是一個三級監理的概念"},{"start":9282.108,"end":9282.348,"text":"請董事長說明"},{"start":9301.127,"end":9317.248,"text":"再簡單補充說明一下在機場公司的部分事實上我們現在已經統計了今年1月到5月的發生的類似的地形事故的次數那我們也會把這些次數現在的處理方式要做一些強化"},{"start":9317.788,"end":9341.364,"text":"那剛剛提到的這個我們的處理事實上在這5個月期間我們發現的次數裡面嚴重的部分都採取了最嚴重的調照的處分所以這部分事實上是已經在執行當中那稽查的頻率我們現在準備要再提高就是說稽查的次數要再增加那跟這些公司的安全管理的會議我們要求提高層級來參加強化我們的管理措施"},{"start":9342.249,"end":9367.181,"text":"再請董事長督促並作出改善請教部長我們看到我們地方的交通建設陶園市政府現在正在大力協助超維還有大訓科技在本席的選區桃園八德擴大投資案那桃園具有AI的生態系還有地理位置土地還有人才物流中心還有國際機場的相關優勢那包含賴清德總統也提出的陶珠苗大溪谷計畫那本席以回答為例"},{"start":9370.462,"end":9381.848,"text":"以回答為例,在台灣蓋AI超級電腦中心,在設研發中心,還有並規劃設立總部。請問部長,針對國際大廠投資案,交通是不是一個重要的因素?如果交通建設不能如質如期的完工,是否會影響到地方的產業發展?"},{"start":9391.798,"end":9392.619,"text":"臺灣巴德的交通問題"},{"start":9423.3,"end":9439.952,"text":"這個部分我們來跟行政院秘書長、國民秘書長這邊請他來協助看怎麼樣因為國會通過他要報到院院的交還處要簽報給院長那我們再請院裡面來協助這個部分讓他可以盡速的來核定"},{"start":9440.843,"end":9467.671,"text":"那在反警部長那期待好消息那我們還有有關我們桃園地方的交通建設國道3號增設巴德交流道工程還有國道2號增設中路交流道還有桃園捷運綠線延伸至大溪目前的進度如何綠線延伸到大溪目前正由市政府在做在做這個可行性的評估的這個這個這個評估報告那報告上來我們會來協助他們進速的來審議"},{"start":9471.262,"end":9472.283,"text":"目前的進度"},{"start":9483.909,"end":9509.062,"text":"跟委員報告我們政策巴德的工程化已經核定了那因為巴德交流道的話他的用地是要給市政府這邊他會市政府這邊一併的所以我們會跟他共同配合來做那一併辦理新版事業計畫的那個用地徵收那中路交流道的話他因為他有一段的話有一段的話也是一樣涉及到用路用地的部分所以這部分的話所以目前都還在市政府這邊要"},{"start":9511.663,"end":9538.082,"text":"是一起一起一起我們都會跟他一起密切的配合來來來做的進度那計劃都已經合定了OK好謝謝您的說明那部長那地方產業已經比過去還要來得快許多那以巴德和大溪為例那目前正在規劃巴德有新豐科技園區還有大溪的科技園區喔也是我們正在積極就是台商回流的重要的一點之一那希望部長不要讓交通的問題成為爭取投資案還有產業發展不利的因素"},{"start":9538.502,"end":9554.182,"text":"我想我這幾年在中央在這個桃園的包括交流道的建設我這邊評估至少大概就有6處的交流道正在建設施工中所以政府對桃園的這個交通的改善的努力可以說是不遺餘力"},{"start":9555.301,"end":9570.551,"text":"最後一個問題那國人都很關心的新任交通安全那過去政府和交通部也是積極想要撕掉台灣的新任第一的標籤那今年第一屆新任死亡數不降反升事故有九萬七千多件那這邊可不可以做說明"},{"start":9572.447,"end":9589.591,"text":"整體的死亡率是下降少了大概39個人大概有5%的這個下降但是行人確實是有增加在今年1到3月那這個部分我們會從幾個面向包括設施的改善這個行人安全的宣導駕駛的這個訓練"},{"start":9594.632,"end":9619.971,"text":"在教育等等那這幾個領域來加強我們希望以每年5%的目標來降低是我們也知道交通部很努力提升行人路權有提出6項的行動方案那希望交通部可以持續輔助我們地方政府落實行人的安全還有道路工程的改善有好謝謝部長謝謝主席謝謝邱若驊委員發言完畢現在請徐沐葵委員發言"},{"start":9632.364,"end":9633.467,"text":"謝謝主席,有請李部長請李部長"},{"start":9641.078,"end":9669.434,"text":"委員好部長好部長首先本席要感謝本席在追隨我們潘前縣長跟我們現在周縣長在屏東縣政府務的時候您當時是擔任秘書長那也協助了很多我們屏東的一些重要建設那所以本席相信這個部長未來這個對於屏東的交通建設我想先請教部長對未來屏東我們包含高鐵高捷"},{"start":9670.054,"end":9670.374,"text":"這點本行要拜託部長"},{"start":9685.761,"end":9712.78,"text":"本席這邊包容我們的縣長也好我們的潘秘書長也好我們共同的期的就是我們屏東的交通是我們整個產業發展也好教育文化還有我們整個經濟發展的重要的一個任督二脈那我們也期待部長不只是一個全方位的部長更是一個有行動效率的部長能夠把所有的這個我們相關單位針對這幾項交通建設的一個速度能夠加快來進行"},{"start":9713.721,"end":9742.026,"text":"那就針對幾項業務上請部長這邊多幫忙第一個就是我們高屏二塊是我們串接高雄跟屏東產業很重要的一個狼帶但是我們環境部在11號進行一個環評審查的時候我們的環委認為這個案子要經過高屏期施工可能會影響到所謂的一個飲用水源但是本席很納悶的是我們的果山已經有通過我們的高屏期這個"},{"start":9745.327,"end":9770.523,"text":"當時在試作的時候也沒有問題那為什麼會出現這個狀況那交通部門如何來解決6月11號當天我看到這個新聞就是說在環評他有先請應該不叫推薦他是叫補充資料那我有親自打給這個環境部的主持的這個處長那麼他表示這個大概都是一般性的問題"},{"start":9771.523,"end":9791.864,"text":"所以只要再補充文件應該就可以來但是以媒體看起來這個我們的防衛講得很嚴重說得很嚴重就是說這是普通大概都不會第一次就過一定會需要再補件補說明另外他特別有提醒就是在靠近那個"},{"start":9793.065,"end":9808.341,"text":"高雄跟屏東交界處有一些被徵收可能將來路線經過被徵收的民眾他有一些陳情的意見那這些陳情意見也在補件的時候要做適當的處理那我是不是請局長也再跟您報告比較詳細的部分"},{"start":9809.882,"end":9826.2,"text":"局長稍等一下我先提出另外一個質疑就是因為我們的環委有提到說高屏22塊跟高鐵南延屏東的路線幾乎平行那這樣子的一個影響會不會涉及到後續我們這個高鐵路線的進行這部分是一併來做說明"},{"start":9829.914,"end":9857.157,"text":"這個部分我的了解是這樣就是說因為兩個共構路廊就前段前段有一段是共構路廊那所以他的施工的範圍會占用這個平面道路稍微比較大一點那在環評的時候委員有提出說會不會對當地的平面道路的交通會不會產生影響那希望主辦單位再補充一些這個這個詳細的資料那讓委員在下次審的時候可以"},{"start":9858.037,"end":9883.915,"text":"可以瞭解這個相關的應用措施都有做那個局長要不要好那我們請局長來說明一下各位報告高屏二塊在這個6月11號是這個環境部專案小組第一次的一個審查會那剛剛所提到的像比如說這一個飲用水還有這個取水的這個部分其實在當初路線的時候其實已經有做相關的一個迴避了"},{"start":9884.395,"end":9902.947,"text":"那另外就是說因為跟高鐵的這個延伸確實是只有就是說前面有一小段共構不過我們在整個這個高屏二塊在這個環屏的這個部分其實還是先走我們相關的程序也都有向委員說明就是說比如對地方交通的一個衝擊跟交違的一個處理"},{"start":9904.808,"end":9930.741,"text":"這個要拜託部長跟局長因為這個對我們屏東的未來的建設非常的重要我們希望能夠加快速度那就麻煩部長跟局長這邊就費心我們也很期待說這一條快速道路能夠在114年的1月相關的計畫環評還有相關計畫核定那開始進行設計114年就是明年好謝謝那另外針對那個觀光部分我們再請一下周處長"},{"start":9938.071,"end":9949.52,"text":"部長所長我想0403花蓮地震之後當然觀光署有提出一個振興的一個方案希望能夠來幫忙花蓮的觀光業者那預計投入了11的經費那目前的成效如何"},{"start":9950.835,"end":9970.225,"text":"對我們這次主要還是花蓮市從6月1號開始那麼看起來這個在端午節這個假期因為跟去年比的話去年是4天那這一次是3天那在花蓮縣這個部分的住房率確實也不太理想是"},{"start":9972.726,"end":9984.233,"text":"本期還是要提醒就是說我們的振興觀光不能只用單點思考尤其你說你要到花東一定要經過屏東跟宜蘭你只有補助花東 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可能要環評啊 或者環查分析嘛第二個建造審查 一百一十三年 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局長應該沒問題吧可以順利推動那有沒有掌握大概期程在這幾年內最快動工的時間會在什麼時候"},{"start":12292.97,"end":12321.69,"text":"跟委員報告我們應該在下半年爭取把這個案子報到行政院來做核定那如果在年底之前能夠核定的話我們會在明年做相關的設計作業也就是可以在後年可能有機會來動工好那再拜託部長跟局長一定要緊迫的盯上這個工作讓他能夠順利的來動工好以上謝謝部長謝謝局長好謝謝陳俊宇委員發言完畢現在請鄭天才委員發言"},{"start":12361.055,"end":12386.678,"text":"慢慢來沒關係主席、各位委員還是先請部長先請李部長還有鐵道局局長楊振軍局長公路總局陳文銳局長部長好恭喜你到江文部謝謝"},{"start":12397.427,"end":12426.808,"text":"有了那個鐵道局我們局長這個前瞻基礎建設這個軌道建設的部分有哪些前瞻基礎建設現在已經實施好幾年了這裡面包括台鐵的相關改善跟都會區捷運的相關建設捷運還有沒有哪些捷運捷運在全國各地大概都有"},{"start":12428.149,"end":12452.409,"text":"所以是零星的還是有新建的新建的也有規劃的也有新建的是哪些新建的還記得的是哪些因為有些案子是用公務預算有些案子是用前瞻預算所以我講的是前瞻我這邊寫的就是前瞻基礎建設條例是好應該事後再給我我們費用提供給我好請回座"},{"start":12453.997,"end":12477.472,"text":"最主要就是說這個部長今天你的報告裡面我看了這個很多都是在絕大部分絕大部分都在西部那在東部的部分是都是過去延續下來的比如說這個花東公路這個"},{"start":12480.435,"end":12495.846,"text":"警官大道花東縱谷公路安全警官大道這個一開始本席在交通委員會質詢過很多次一開始都是要用省道的建設但是我們花蓮台東的立委"},{"start":12496.806,"end":12502.869,"text":"委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會"},{"start":12520.999,"end":12521.88,"text":"快速公路"},{"start":12537.553,"end":12554.989,"text":"臺灣的快速道路總共有15條這個圖這個圖15條當然現在還繼續做的比如說相關的支線那些還繼續在你的報告裡面都有都有那我們"},{"start":12556.462,"end":12582.818,"text":"花蓮需要一個花東快速道路最主要就是說從臺東要到花蓮因為我們主要的醫療院所就醫療來講主要在花蓮的慈濟醫院要從花臺東市要運到這個救護車運到這個非常非常的遠"},{"start":12584.881,"end":12585.101,"text":"委員會主席"},{"start":12614.298,"end":12639.166,"text":"我知道這個我已經在這個會期我已經質詢最起碼3、4次了所以這個我也質詢過環境部的部長所以這個部分是一個當然你們的說明很重要因為那個環評委員也是換的所以他不知道以前他講的那個問題早就南回公務早就做過了所以類似像這樣的好我們看這個"},{"start":12641.547,"end":12666.084,"text":"花東快速道路既然你們重啟了可行性評估2020重啟可行性評估那為什麼到現在為止在這個整個報告裡面在整個報告裡面未來114年度到底有沒有經費因為現在要籌編"},{"start":12668.139,"end":12671.731,"text":"現在就要籌編114年度的經費啊到底有沒有"},{"start":12675.196,"end":12696.894,"text":"委員跟您報告就是政府這幾年在花東的交通的投資其實有將近3000億的這個投入包括所有的蘇花改以外現在蘇花安如果環評過合訂我們也儘速的來設計施工那另外國道5接蘇花改這個部分也在持續那還有鐵路這個鐵路雙軌化"},{"start":12700.236,"end":12700.836,"text":"蘇花改跟蘇安的差距"},{"start":12724.865,"end":12748.817,"text":"整個建設的計畫就差很多啦所以我的意思是說這個為什麼花東快就是因為還在可延的階段所以他必須要有一些程序才會開始到籌備預算他今年八月今年八月期末報告會出來為什麼我們要希望能夠"},{"start":12751.051,"end":12776.517,"text":"為什麼我們希望能夠訂特別條例就是要協助交通部啊協助交通部去爭取另外的特別預算是這樣的是協助交通部好不好因為整個大餅有限怎麼樣能夠把這個大餅增加給這個交通部這個用意在這裡而且那個協助"},{"start":12777.197,"end":12805.277,"text":"促成花東的一個非常重要的交通建設。謝謝。好,謝謝鄭天才委員先做以下宣告。等一下在劉許廷委員發言完畢之後,我們會休息。紅夢凱委員也到了。好,那就到紅夢凱委員發言完畢之後,我們就會做休息。現在請黃城委員發言。"},{"start":12819.128,"end":12819.469,"text":"有請部長請部長"},{"start":12828.482,"end":12852.787,"text":"部長好委員好本席也非常感謝你對我們臺東的道路安全的一個設置213座的一個候車亭包含遮影棚的部分對臺東的觀光也好或者是在一般停車休息都有一個"},{"start":12854.028,"end":12862.786,"text":"很安全的一個候測庭這是本席予以肯定那另外就是我特別提出就是"},{"start":12864.946,"end":12894.074,"text":"因為這是臺東鄉親特別有一個陳情的一個立場臺11縣省道由臺東縣的富岡至督蘭之間的道路路段由於道路的狹窄每逢的立假日這車輛非常的人潮非常的多而且湧入"},{"start":12896.024,"end":12925.176,"text":"造成這個全線的交通幾乎癱瘓幾乎癱瘓所以常常在例假日的時候就會常常就會有可能會排成一條龍而且就為了為了行方便的交通所以這個就是造成了那個地方來這個交通的不便那所以本席在這個地方建議交通部在台東富岡市多蘭灣"},{"start":12927.297,"end":12944.484,"text":"規劃新建一座跨海大橋來徹底改善交通擁塞的問題以帶動地方觀光進而促進地方繁榮請教一下部長你是否會認同這個建議來做一個研究"},{"start":12946.227,"end":12971.404,"text":"公務員報告我們確實臺東的督覽可以說是觀光的重鎮也是很多文人雅士或是藝術家去那邊定居的一個地方所以這個地方越來越有相關的這個發展也越來越宜居那有關交通擁塞的部分我們是不是再請公路局再做一個評估看看怎麼樣來解決"},{"start":12976.307,"end":12978.828,"text":"其實不用評估,你們可以實際去參考、勘查"},{"start":13002.455,"end":13012.989,"text":"那這個部分是不是一個月內報告出來之後我們再進行看查好不好那你把這個報告給我那另外謝謝部長那我請教一下觀光署署長"},{"start":13022.545,"end":13034.76,"text":"剛剛我們宜蘭的委員特別提出有關於臺東觀光捕捉政策臺東花蓮還有包含宜蘭"},{"start":13036.403,"end":13063.012,"text":"記得我們長年以來每次地震受害者就是有兩邊第一個就是台東因為它是有連帶關係地形的地貌整個的一個地殼跟台東絕對是有關聯性那進而跟宜蘭也有關係但是直接衝擊到的是台東地區"},{"start":13065.453,"end":13084.963,"text":"所以應該這個相關的補助政策上次我特別跟你提過但是我剛剛聽到部長說8月1號這個對台東來講是會有大小眼的一個立場我上次也跟你報告過你說6月1號可以同步進行可是問題之後"},{"start":13086.644,"end":13106.696,"text":"你都沒有跟我回應啊沒有怎麼得到的消息是8月1號才開始那你本來有回答就是同步花蓮台東同步進行應該這樣的話是對台東來講也是一個尊重可是你現在要8月1號是大小眼"},{"start":13107.196,"end":13116.392,"text":"所以那邊為什麼臺東那邊的鄉親這些這些觀光旅遊的這一些產業都提出來抗議了你說"},{"start":13117.719,"end":13142.984,"text":"是跟委員報告一下我們是6月開始交通的優惠然後7月的話是團體的優惠然後8月的話可是剛剛我聽到部長說6月1號是花蓮可是我們應該你上次回答我的事6月1號是花蓮才是同步進行的不是嗎你上次回答我是不是這樣整個委員的陣型是6月是分階段開始"},{"start":13144.551,"end":13171.742,"text":"是不是同步進行我希望是同步進行好不好我希望是花蓮台東一樣同步進行那另外是部長還有其他的政策我就用書面來提出一個報告你再用書面來回答我有的是一個月有的是一週來回答我好不好好 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昨天的新聞有一個高頻東西惡快的環評要他在補正再審這個新聞說他施工期間萬一有廢水萬一會影響到缺水口的品質請問一下目前是不是有解決方案何時最快可以補正這個部分我有跟環境部的處長有聯繫他說這個部分請我們再補件原則上這個是比較一般性的大概多久"},{"start":18347.01,"end":18348.752,"text":"董事長有沒有看到這樣的新聞?屏東站的部分?"},{"start":18369.198,"end":18393.54,"text":"那怎麼改善這個我們短期內我們會再去檢視那個車站裡面漏水的細縫是那我們既有的我們的接水的設施我們再給他強化好謝謝因為這屏東車站屏東新站屏東鄉議很滿意但是這個部分的困擾要解決好謝謝那我進入今天的主題部長那兩位董事長跟局長請回另外兩位我要問"},{"start":18394.782,"end":18413.298,"text":"長榮萬海高雄港建制新貨櫃中心那麼在長榮的部分可以勤四艘2.4萬艘的船那在萬海的部分會提升兩倍他座位面積可達200萬艘那終於我們可以看一下下一頁大船就不用借外國港再分進台灣了"},{"start":18414.099,"end":18430.633,"text":"那這會怎麼影響呢?這表示說未來大準六港在高雄港的港務的相關的補給業務會成長,是不是這樣子部長?是。沒錯啦,好那我們等一下看齁。那麼其實呢目前港區在台灣港務公司目前有這麼多的鋼鐵、貨運、造船、石化、漁業呢,現在我們的空間還會用到什麼?離岸風機的組裝對不對?"},{"start":18436.838,"end":18465.138,"text":"未來還會有觀光的郵輪會停靠甚至還有高科技產業要進駐請問部長您覺得我們臺灣港務公司做好準備了嗎下一頁是我想港務公司其實在在高雄港的建設跟擴充是投入了非常多的心血是那漆櫃目前也今年會全面來啟用是我想有相有相關的措施他們跟著像世代的世界的潮流也有在努力是世界潮流在後面來我們請看下一頁鄭董事長來這榜上有名啊陽明啊"},{"start":18465.658,"end":18465.819,"text":"前10名"},{"start":18482.4,"end":18498.41,"text":"臺灣的航運未來會開始進行綠色燃料貨櫃輪我們看到了長榮跟陽明都搶進要改用什麼訂了假存船剛剛長榮在去年就宣布24艘16艘交給三星8艘交給日本那都是大型的船請問陽明有沒有類似的計畫"},{"start":18499.43,"end":18525.809,"text":"我們之前造了5艘LNG的船LNG的船是好那部長為什麼要問這個呢因為現在啊我們貨櫃輪的運能雖然只是在貨櫃這邊有占了一成的世界的運能運量但是呢既有的世界的能源分布在轉變以前以石油分布的油輪的點對點還有航線都會因為呢新的能源供應國加入像誰往下看"},{"start":18526.977,"end":18545.463,"text":"向加拿大向澳洲他們都是綠電水電光電的大的產國潛在力以未來的易太清或者綠安或者甲醇可以運送到需要的地方的日本請問部長或者問董事長鄭董事長未來你們覺得有沒有從貨櫃跨足到這些新能源的運輸業上"},{"start":18547.163,"end":18575.914,"text":"我想我們這個一定是配合國家政策配合國家政策那國家政策部長那你知道嗎?輕能的轉變不只是未來的航運船運他要改用新能源連我們新能源的供應跟需求點對點的航線航權都會改變過去呢這些郵輪都是掌握在產油國跟相關的他們的結盟手中未來我們的貨櫃人打不進去未來有可能我們貨櫃人有可能跨足去幫他們印新能源你覺得這有沒有可能?"},{"start":18576.574,"end":18600.8,"text":"我覺得目前台電他在火力電廠裡面也有加這個義太安對那誰來運所以這個未來如果他們這些事辦成功要擴大確實是需要這樣的運輸是的所以台灣要善用我們原來貨櫃航運的運能的實力未來呢可以跨足新能源的運送好我們看一下看那現在我們的港口到底有沒有做好這個準備呢"},{"start":18603.724,"end":18623.319,"text":"該委員報告目前我們在盤點台北港、台中港還有高雄港的一些戶地在加速我們的基礎建設那台中港是比較快就是現在施工當中那台北港有一塊地我們目前在環平高雄也有在做環平當中"},{"start":18624.755,"end":18645.997,"text":"好,那麼部長最後跟你提醒,CIP啊,哥本哈根,哥本哈根基金呢,他在台灣投資了很多的離岸風電,他們現在跟台肥結合,台肥的產能是什麼,是氨,氨就是Armonia,NH4,它就是一個什麼,把氫能源加上一個氮,過去是把這個Armonia把它去氫,存氮"},{"start":18646.597,"end":18647.719,"text":"請問做好準備有沒有部長"},{"start":18659.042,"end":18661.803,"text":"請指示因應未來氫能產業鏈的商轉﹐他需要的臺灣港區規劃改成三個月提出順便報告﹐可以嗎"},{"start":18686.555,"end":18688.216,"text":"謝謝主席、謝謝部長、謝謝董事長、謝謝鍾嘉賓委員現在請U號委員發言"},{"start":18732.603,"end":18734.305,"text":"有請部長部長好"},{"start":18745.253,"end":18767.155,"text":"本席就部長就任因為你對於整體的不管行政業務或者是交通部的事務都非常的熟悉那所以也是期待甚深那包括我相信在代表南投縣不管是縣府許縣長也都會部長能夠對於南投縣許多建設還也都期待甚深那在這裡我也想說直接針對"},{"start":18768.416,"end":18783.899,"text":"之前所特別關心關注的終結是不是延伸到南投還大約什麼時候可以來兌現承諾那也同樣的幫部長再複習一下這個過去在蔡英文總統她其實曾經也提到說終結延伸到南投"},{"start":18784.52,"end":18811.997,"text":"那包括在賴清德就是總統也在南投來造勢的時候也在新聞畫面也看到了終結要延伸到南投包括那時候時任的行政院長也提出了那想要就教一下部長目前終結延伸到南投的一個期程跟一個規劃那因為本期在3月7號的時候在交通委員會不僅有質詢也有提出這個臨時提案"},{"start":18812.617,"end":18833.128,"text":"那時候交通部有一個月內規劃期程並向朋友委員報告那因為他這個生活圈啊他這個中張頭是一個生活圈他不是單就南投啦他是整個中張頭生活圈的一個發展那我想就教一下第一部長對於終極延伸到南投的態度跟立場以及說目前這個期程規劃"},{"start":18835.633,"end":18855.153,"text":"目前終結延伸南投那台中市政府正在規劃的階段應該是說規劃然後後面就是可行性的這個部分那我們也會協調市政府來加快腳步報上來我們會儘速來協助審議那有一些細節我請局長也跟您報告"},{"start":18856.021,"end":18871.79,"text":"嗯沒關係局長今天就先不讓你說明再補書面資料給我因為那個書面資料還欠著那這最主要是局長那個部長你就是也是支持終結性藍投嘛那是加快嘛那本席在這裡還是補充一下就是說因為"},{"start":18872.31,"end":18897.76,"text":"一日生活圈中章頭那中期延伸到不管是到南投或是草屯市那這個部分都是屬於這個公用輸黃的預緩那兩到三站以上的這個捷運站在這14公里內那因為南投也沒有捷運局也沒有捷運公司那這個部分其實還是要請這個就是交通部這邊盡快來規劃那也希望部長是表達支持進南投的一個立場"},{"start":18898.76,"end":18912.152,"text":"是我想他整個規劃出來那麼他會評估他的投資的這個經營比經營比包括運量等等那如果這個有整個投資的效益有足夠我想我們會請國發會這邊審議的時候來支持"},{"start":18915.655,"end":18929.877,"text":"因為這個部分都是一個政治的支票啦那還是要跟您再複習一下OK那還是專程是正向支持那局長OK那再等您書面資料就好那接著就是TPAS的部分那因為TPAS"},{"start":18930.658,"end":18952.12,"text":"在之前交通部這一個方案其實是非常的不錯但是竹山是被pass掉了因為在這個Tpass的部分我們看到這個月票的規劃中張投苗有納入苗栗那在去年的時候那在今年雲加加南的時候也有把這個生活捐贈納入但是竹山鎮包括鹿谷鄉"},{"start":18952.941,"end":18977.062,"text":"的生活圈其實是臨近斗六臨近雲林但是問題是在竹山包括鹿谷地區在這個TPAS的月票的購買上其實他們主要的生活圈是往這個斗六這邊過去那想請教一下在這樣子放寬如何讓南投可以跟臨近的雲林做接軌那我想請教一下部長或是局長相關後續規劃怎麼做"},{"start":18978.083,"end":19001.925,"text":"可能第一個要先請南投跟雲林縣兩個縣府這邊先做溝通那他們如果溝通完就那個費率提出方案我們這邊就可以來協助審核那當然如果有需要我們也可以主動先邀兩個縣市來對口因為竹山確實單獨竹山鎮如果沒有縣府幫忙出面協調確實是不容易"},{"start":19002.185,"end":19003.585,"text":"我請我們局長找這兩個縣府的交通單位來談"},{"start":19028.595,"end":19028.615,"text":"觀光議題"},{"start":19049.476,"end":19067.049,"text":"臺灣是地震帶所以不方便有任何的一個重大的建設或觀光建設就直接把南投線還如此重要的一個觀光警鐵的計畫直接完全封殺掉了那當然組長也非常的難為因為有時候我們也知道在許多的一個政策的推動"},{"start":19067.87,"end":19085.181,"text":"有時候可能是下面的或外部的學者可能會有特別的意見受到特別的一個指示或者有時候一些政策可能也會有上面的指示但是本席是覺得說像太極美帝他是攸關不僅是南投縣竹山陸股地區整體的觀光發展"},{"start":19086.241,"end":19105.655,"text":"他同時也是代表著這個南投縣在新的一個亮點觀光帶入遊客的一個情況之下尤其是像現在在兩岸關係如此不好的情況觀光客沒有辦法來國內的旅遊更是重要那好不容易縣府的努力之下天梯已經可以開始運行"},{"start":19106.155,"end":19107.355,"text":"臺籍美帝會串聯八卦茶園、山林溪、溪頭、天梯"},{"start":19121.5,"end":19121.56,"text":"委員會主席"},{"start":19139.815,"end":19159.429,"text":"臺灣是地震帶不方便有任何的建設就直接把南投縣政府的案子給推翻掉這本行是覺得強烈表達不滿那個過程中我本行也確實是沒有收到任何後續的一個如果要讓我們縣府跟議會來去面對這件事情的解決方案因為這件事情的過程讓南投縣政府跟南投縣議會"},{"start":19160.53,"end":19161.051,"text":"現在請傅坤祺委員發言"},{"start":19199.745,"end":19225.91,"text":"主席,請部長。請你部長。部長,謝謝。謝謝你在零四零三大地震的時候有到華聯來做相關的這些災情的探勘以及要怎麼重建,也提出了很多的意見。本席今天還是讓你再來複習一下。"},{"start":19228.942,"end":19253.453,"text":"這個當時大地震不管是在台八線還是在蘇花公路再看一下當時地震的情況好不好不是這個啦影片啦再看一下齁蘇花公路"},{"start":19256.512,"end":19261.897,"text":"幾乎每一個路段還有台八線都隨時會要人命的"},{"start":19280.701,"end":19293.21,"text":"在當時地震過後當時您擔任行政秘書長也來花蓮來看災"},{"start":19306.995,"end":19334.05,"text":"請問一下部長當時本席一直要求對整個蘇花公路以及台八線要做一個徹底的一個安全的評估民粹道能做的部分盡量做因為現在隨時會攤下來隨時會要人的命我想東部的鄉親為什麼還在走這種古道這種古道還要面對這樣的一個人命隨時會碰到"},{"start":19335.56,"end":19341.105,"text":"臺巴縣東段地震後後續的部分的話大概就是說這個沿線還有六處的一個邊坡需要再做一個進一步的一個"},{"start":19364.964,"end":19388.08,"text":"整治大概在年底會完成那臺巴縣的花蓮東段這邊我們也有規劃有四處的一個民隧道也會持續來進行那另外就是說委員所提到的整段的就臺巴縣因為這次4月3號地震之後後續的這個比較長遠的一個評估的話我們也會啟動一個這一個整個的一個地質的一個這個調查會有一個研究案"},{"start":19390.191,"end":19418.755,"text":"現在你不管做四處的明隧道你要了解說到底現在整個地質鬆動以後所有用路人的安全他的系數到底是多少要一個整體的一個評估要盡快的啟動也不惜你講了很多次要盡快來啟動我們看一下那個照片那你看一下這個又是前天6月12號凌晨"},{"start":19420.319,"end":19448.699,"text":"臺巴縣174K又攤掉了可以看到這個攤掉這個情況是整個路全部埋掉來下一張這幾乎啊這我們都不敢講啊現在在一個已開發國家臺灣還有人民在走這樣的一個道路這個連衣索匹都還不如這個人命在這裡大概是沒有什麼價值"},{"start":19450.822,"end":19452.363,"text":"整個研究案會期到"},{"start":19466.468,"end":19489.544,"text":"對一個交通平權生命無價是用什麼樣的心態來看待部長跟委員報告這個現場我有在5月29號有再去過一次那確實是沿線真的是觸目驚心那現在除了臺巴針對這個中橫的部分除了剛剛講的四個民隧道以外那我們也請公路體育"},{"start":19489.904,"end":19493.866,"text":"臺灣居住在這塊土地上的人民都是同樣的子民當然要盡快做一個完整的一個評估要怎麼樣來"},{"start":19508.396,"end":19533.592,"text":"做所有的安全的補強另外蘇花安現在進度怎麼樣蘇花安環評已經小組通過那我們會儘速讓大會來核定那接著就是啟動相關的設計公建計畫的核定跟相關設計跟發包所以預估應該在明年底後年初從4年多前一直詢問到現在我要特別再喚醒您的記憶"},{"start":19535.113,"end":19559.922,"text":"蘇花改是在民國100年1月29號動工在119年1月6號通車為什麽要喚醒部長的記憶就是從105年以後民進黨執政到現在已經整整8年多那蘇花改的後續蘇花案到現在"},{"start":19561.744,"end":19587.457,"text":"都還不知道什麼時候可以動工希望部長給我一個期程好不好剛剛有跟委員報告你就有詳細的期程列因為他這個是要二階環評所以通常需要三到四年你們估一個時間不要說又是四年以後好不好那另外就是啊本席在這裡啊這個沒關係啊那個主席啊我們時間很短我再看一下我們的滑動快"},{"start":19591.017,"end":19608.444,"text":"2012年的評估在2016年公佈的時候滑動快148公里819億但是我們很遺憾在2016年公佈以後2017年的前瞻基礎計劃並沒有納入在院會表決被否決掉了"},{"start":19609.386,"end":19636.122,"text":"那在經過2020重新研新研究2023年去年出來現在是2555億固然多了26公里但是整體卻要2555億所以本席在這裡再一次的表達這是台灣最卑微的一個基礎建設現在如果再不做未來要多少錢才能做"},{"start":19637.745,"end":19653.256,"text":"最後一張再看一下陽梅道頭份段的這個拓寬36公里1314億一公里36.5億花東塊174公里以現在估算2555億一公里14.7億一個14.71公里要不要興建而在西部一公里要36.5億這個已經核定了"},{"start":19667.492,"end":19686.63,"text":"所以花東快請盡快核定讓東部有一條平安的路可以走部長這一份也請書面給本席謝謝好 謝謝傅坤祺委員發言完畢現在請陳培宇委員發言"},{"start":19690.424,"end":19718.59,"text":"在陳委員發言之前簡單做個說明本委員會是很佛心的是佛教聖地我們對於每個委員發言時間其他委員會的委員是5分鐘也不會比其他委員會少而且我們都會給委員在30秒來做收尾如果30秒無法收尾的時候到1分鐘我們才會有一些的這樣"},{"start":19720.31,"end":19724.052,"text":"主席我等一下不用等到你的心靈神會我一定會努力準時下台好謝謝主席有請交通部部長請李部長委員好"},{"start":19747.813,"end":19773.211,"text":"部長午安。過往我住在花蓮,原末十多年。那我去花蓮念書的時候呢,花蓮的交通跟今天相比,非常多的好朋友,包括我自己的孩子,現在暑假,他們會自己搭火車回去花蓮。我想問部長,如果我們要跟花蓮的鄉親交代,民進黨執政這八年,我們到底如何改善花蓮的交通建設,你會怎麼跟花蓮的鄉親溝通?"},{"start":19774.412,"end":19796.903,"text":"跟委員報告其實我們這幾年包括已經投入或準備要投入在花蓮花東的交通建設大概有3000億那裡面包括蘇花改那最近剛合訂的就是環評剛通過的蘇花安還有國道5接蘇花改等於是讓這個蘇花改蘇花安如果貫通就可以從國道5一路有一個快速道路到新城"},{"start":19797.683,"end":19816.059,"text":"那另外台東這邊就是南回還有鐵路電氣化雙軌化還有過去電氣化的投入所以這些加起來其實有將近3000億的經費那另外台鐵裡面現在最好的車廂就是EMU3000我們大部分EMU3000的主力都放在花蓮花東"},{"start":19817.56,"end":19834.7,"text":"我自己回花林的時候還蠻常坐EM-13000應該有這個感覺車廂非常的新穎而且座位數比泰魯閣還有普悠瑪多了將近200個位置是他有500多個位置所以最好的我們都優先提供給花東地區來使用"},{"start":19835.02,"end":19864.164,"text":"那根據剛剛說了這麼多如果我們還是有鄉親覺得不夠我其實想要跟部長討論其實非常多的委員都在說花蓮的特殊的地景還有導致他這個整個交通動線可能跟西部的狀態非常不一樣我相信部長你去過花蓮你一定明白那我們在促進更多的交通建設之前我相信台灣絕對不是土法煉鋼我們如何在參考國外有類似相關交通狀況的國家他們所做的開發如何在"},{"start":19865.684,"end":19892.656,"text":"2024的此時此刻在全球化的樣態已經有全然的改變情況下我相信開發跟照顧鄉親的交通照顧鄉親的民生產業絕對是我們在意的事情但是開發難道只能有一種樣貌嗎或者是這樣子的交通開發我們除了做環評除了做相關預算的規劃之外我們有沒有機會花更多力氣跟鄉親溝通如同我剛剛所請教您的您剛剛所說的這些其實花蓮的鄉親都不見得知道對嗎"},{"start":19893.936,"end":19915.272,"text":"對所以我記得副總統蕭美琴副總統他之前在花蓮擔任立委的時候他其實就提醒過交通部在做所有的交通建設之前我們都必須花時間跟花蓮的鄉親溝通我相信後續的很多建設是不是交通部也有相關的規劃我們直接到花蓮去我相信在民進黨裡面呢從沈柏洋委員到之前任亞花蓮的范雲委員"},{"start":19915.832,"end":19940.258,"text":"還有我過去在花蓮住了10多年我相信我們都一起願意到花蓮去跟更多的鄉親溝通請聽大家的聲音跟需求甚且所有的交通建設可能都還會有另外一個負面的效應其實當時在蓋快速道路的時候很多人都說會不會大家就快快來於是就會快快走很多觀光現在已經走到了我們必須要重新檢視快速的發展不必然是全面的好事對嗎部長"},{"start":19941.378,"end":19963.152,"text":"跟委員報告就是一個交通建設我想不管什麼建設都是這樣它經費到一個程度規模到一個程度它繼續要經過環評那效益的評估之外那也要針對公民的參與那尤其在華東地區因為有原住民的部落所以要經過部落諮商的同意那我舉個例子像現在舒華安"},{"start":19964.153,"end":19978.284,"text":"好不容易環評已經過了但是現在有兩個部落沒錯我們看到的很多新聞也是這樣擔心說快速道路通過他們的部落會不會影響就是我剛剛說的快快來就快快走對不對所以未來花東快"},{"start":19979.045,"end":19995.081,"text":"同樣也有這個要面臨這個公民溝通、部落溝通的問題,跨通快有11個部落要去溝通那也就是說如果我們最近有跟豬肉總局在討論蘇花安如果兩個部落一直都不同意,可能那個部分要先檢作"},{"start":19995.842,"end":20012.95,"text":"我相信這麼多的溝通部長您剛剛回答都非常明確我相信我們都要一起努力繼續跟鄉親溝通把鄉親的聲音跟需求跟所有發展可能帶來的正面影響跟負面的影響我想我們都要一併考慮我真的時間有限我可不可以快速切進我的投影片"},{"start":20014.05,"end":20037.856,"text":"我們之前去看了臺鐵有相關臺鐵文資保存的事情那可能部長您在這個部分比較不熟悉可是我要快速的說一下因為在臺鐵公司化的過程當中相關文件資料的保留其實有非常多民間專家學者甚至檔案局也主動介入關心那可是我要提醒部長我們現在發現一個很嚴重很嚴重的狀況主席抱歉我有30秒趕快那個"},{"start":20039.136,"end":20059.383,"text":"當機關改制為公營事業機構之後他在改制前檔案的移交必須要給該機關的上級主管機關作為相關盤查或者是盤點的依據可是目前台鐵在公司化的過程當中交通部應該要去監督這些資料的移轉可是看起來應該發生了一些交接上的困難部長您多了嘴巴你一定想說不知道發生了什麼事情"},{"start":20060.003,"end":20060.143,"text":"委員會主席"},{"start":20080.547,"end":20081.368,"text":"臺鐵的歷史是整部台灣很重要的發展歷史"},{"start":20103.823,"end":20111.048,"text":"是我們在書面提供跟委員報告沒關係我們辦公室會主動找交通部討論好謝謝主席謝謝謝謝部長謝謝陳佩瑜委員發言完畢現在請羅志強委員發言主席有請部長請部長"},{"start":20136.348,"end":20161.138,"text":"會員好部長您好您過去公職經歷主要是在公務跟水利那這次接交通部長那考量到交通部業務繁重專業程度也非常高跨行如跨山所以我想應該算是很大的挑戰對您那我想請教部長我看了交通部200多頁的業務報告裡面分為七大面向"},{"start":20162.034,"end":20190.647,"text":"路政道安公共運輸行政觀光郵政氣象跟交通科技但每一項都很重要但其中有一項我想今天跟部長來討論一下這一項民眾最關心也最切身相關幾乎一定是每天幾乎每天都會攸關重中之重甚至跟生命安全有關你知道是哪一件嗎這七大件應該是行人交通的安全對路政道安"},{"start":20192.061,"end":20217.461,"text":"路政道安這一塊因為實際上幾乎每一個國民都是用路人所以我們人人都是用路人那我想請教部長你覺得我們現在用路人是安全的嗎我們現在的整個行人交通的環境是有很大改善的空間很大改善我們就來討論一下你知道歷年來道安事故總件數最高的紀錄是發生在哪一年"},{"start":20225.309,"end":20243.995,"text":"交通部統計去年是40萬2926件這是歷史最高的然後當然只看一年我覺得不準我想請教部長那大安事故前五高的紀錄分別發生在哪幾年"},{"start":20246.748,"end":20274.86,"text":"您知道嗎這個數字我還要再聊因為您剛上任我覺得可以體諒基本上數字部分來告訴你歷史前五高就是2019、2020、2021、2022跟2023請問這五年是誰執政這五年是小英總統對小英總統執政那您還可以跟我講說您覺得我們的道路安全有改善嗎還是這麼有信心嗎"},{"start":20277.239,"end":20302.72,"text":"部長是我知道從死亡的人數或者是件數確實是這幾年有比較增加的現象對啊那是最fundamental的嘛但是去年開始那個大家體會到行車讓禮讓用路人的感覺在去年開始是明顯有提升大家在走在馬路走在斑馬線上都會有感覺到是有被禮讓"},{"start":20303.721,"end":20320.604,"text":"文化是逐漸養生部長你現在跟我講那種所謂明顯感受這叫主觀啦但是我看到實際數據就是2016到2023年你知道2016年我們大安事故總數是多少件嗎我跟你講這個不勉強你我覺得你不會知道啦30萬05556件那到去年剛剛已經跟你講40萬件嘛漲幅是32%我這樣講啦"},{"start":20333.626,"end":20334.507,"text":"臺灣的用路人走在路上"},{"start":20350.283,"end":20376.61,"text":"我覺得這幾年是更加的草木皆兵如履薄冰也就是說從數據來看就是道安的部分真的民眾是非常不滿的原因很簡單就是大幅增加也因此在去年就爆發民怨所以很多人來批評臺灣是行人地獄當然我覺得行政院也有作為所以他提出了去年5月提出了行人優先交通安全行動綱領"},{"start":20378.45,"end":20393.744,"text":"那在2024到2027年這四年當中要砸400億來進行行人交通工程改善對不對那砸錢有沒有用那我現在還難定論因為這計畫在執行中"},{"start":20396.647,"end":20405.31,"text":"但是我就要講說我看到報告裡面講就是說截至2023年底入口行人安全設施改善完成3486處那行人專用這個專用實相及時開完成大概4753處"},{"start":20415.754,"end":20444.027,"text":"非耗資入口完成大概5505處這些成果那我想請問您覺得這些對改善行人地域有明顯的績效嗎我想路口的改善現在是我們改善中的一個重點那當然行人空間比如說怎麼樣建構好的人行道或者是行人的專用的空間這也是另外一個重點那如果改善斑馬線退縮還有包括人行道外擴"},{"start":20445.027,"end":20450.569,"text":"這些當然都該做我也支持但是實際上發生的效果如何我覺得可能部長要再多注意一下"},{"start":20465.134,"end":20479.527,"text":"因為理論上像這些應該就可以在2023年完成2024年就應該反映在行人相關數據上但是我跟部長提醒您最後一個數字你知道今年1月到3月行人死亡人數是多少嗎"},{"start":20481.03,"end":20495.739,"text":"是比去年同期是增加246人去年同期216人成長14%所以努力去做因為部長你剛上任但是我希望能夠在你上任一段時間之後真的拜託"},{"start":20497.28,"end":20515.469,"text":"臺灣的行人是走在地獄裡面希望部長我們不是只有美麗的數字做了什麼事情而我要看到實際的效果能不能請部長繼續努力是這個我們我想目標是一致的OK謝謝部長好謝謝羅志強委員發言完畢現在請楊瓊英委員發言"},{"start":20528.227,"end":20531.269,"text":"謝謝主席 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非常多我不曉得部長接任交通部長之後你有沒有思考過"},{"start":21475.743,"end":21497.497,"text":"我們交通部有沒有哪些業務可以利用AI的科技來提升我們的服務品質?有沒有思考過這個問題?我舉個例子,譬如說我們的高速公路的乍到移控那它現在就有利用相關的177的大數據那做人工智慧的演算來決定那個移控的秒數"},{"start":21498.617,"end":21498.637,"text":"委員會議員"},{"start":21515.49,"end":21531.562,"text":"引向判斷的方式來設置我們高速公路的移控這可能我們高速公路有在做了那至於平面地方政府的交通設施呢我們其實大家常常會講我們地方的交通非常的可能混亂 擁捨那我們有沒有思考過"},{"start":21533.823,"end":21555.131,"text":"因為其實我在當然在第一屆競選議員的時候我就提出了一個智慧交通的概念那後來我發現其實地方政府根本沒有能力做這件事情那我不曉得我們交通部有沒有在思考這件事情來協助地方政府的地方的路口號誌利用影像的判斷來做秒差調整或者是行人穿越的部分有時候行人按了好久過夜為了要跟前後路口"},{"start":21556.111,"end":21558.914,"text":"現在我們有協助各縣市政府建立他的交通行控中心那這個行控中心就會包括整個車流"},{"start":21575.331,"end":21604.449,"text":"用AI攝影去做車流的演算那來讓他的紅綠燈有一個最佳化的處理那另外其實現在各個路口很多路口已經有開始做科技執法那科技執法也是用攝影機去研判比如說這個車輛有沒有離讓行人我們現在不是規定車輛至少要離行人3公尺3個整目的距離那這個這些影像他就是利用AI來判斷這個車有沒有違法那可以減少這個警察要在路口執法的負擔"},{"start":21605.269,"end":21622.377,"text":"耗資部分這部分我先再詳細了解一下耗資的部分現在還是在沙盒實驗嗎還是說已經開始普遍的讓地方政府能夠來讓整體的路網都能夠有這樣子的一個服務是我請市長跟您報告比較詳細的部分"},{"start":21625.152,"end":21651.018,"text":"跟委員報告事實上從106年開始一直到現在已經都上線所以我們在您剛剛所垂詢的入口的部分確實我們就已經用AI的這個CCTV來去做影像的辨識然後傳到我們的那個智慧的交通管理中心然後透過這樣的判別之後下到我們的那個入口的耗資控制器裡面然後把這個綠燈的這個秒數"},{"start":21653.899,"end":21654.339,"text":"委員會委員會委員會"},{"start":21678.942,"end":21694.931,"text":"一年編列多少預算在補助地方政府算是update我們的系統一年的話我們全國現在目前是編了4億那有沒有預估大概如果說要全面普及的話需要多少經費"},{"start":21696.707,"end":21709.295,"text":"因為這個部分是比較重大概百分之六成會到這個部分六成對四億裡面有六成是不是我又說如果說全台灣的耗資系統都要去做一個全國更新更新的話"},{"start":21710.495,"end":21735.828,"text":"全國更新這個我們可能還在做統計不過每年的話這個我們是列為重點好那就再麻煩我們交通部繼續繼續加油好那另外這個我討論一下我們血稅這個塞車的問題因為血稅其實之前之前我跟趙偉去過勘察過嘛端午節的時候更之前清明連假的時候那我們那時候高工局是說"},{"start":21737.169,"end":21755.938,"text":"與其提高速限那的功效跟這個取締歸宿車讓歸宿車加速其實對於整個交通的流暢來說要求這個歸宿車加速的話對於整體的這個車流量的行進速率是會有比較大的幫助嗎對不對"},{"start":21758.752,"end":21784.743,"text":"該委員報告一下齁因為尤其是北上的部分齁常常人家稱的陸隊長那就是歸宿車其實他的下游是沒有塞車對因為我們現在要取締陸隊長非常困難嘛對對不對那我們其實現在有東西叫區間車速其實一直以來都被民間反彈很大齁其實區間車速沒有什麼問題啦最大的問題是我們常常會定一個不合理的限速齁過地的限速那大家才會來反彈這個區間車速我們有沒有考慮過用區間車速來取締歸宿那個陸隊長"},{"start":21788.872,"end":21805.314,"text":"目前歸宿車比較沒有辦法用那個區間測速但是我們會把歸宿車有顯示在水稅的部分有特別去做針對歸宿車會把他的車號差距我知道現在沒有啦我知道現在沒有嘛那未來可不可以"},{"start":21806.875,"end":21821.43,"text":"這個因為慢速的部分的話它涉及的比較多有可能下游也已經用涉了這當然啦這當然啦你當然會有一些例外情況排除嘛是是是對啊你至少像雪碎裡面它沒有辦法變換車道嘛那至少你跟前車差了幾秒"},{"start":21822.952,"end":21850.572,"text":"你差過一定的秒數以上然後你又用了過多的時間在隧道內那他可能就是一個取締的要件嘛他就可以取締嘛那如果說你前車慢的話我們當然也會慢嘛我希望我們考慮一下研究一下你們評估一下啦他們是能夠在一定的一個月內然後考慮一下用科技指導的方式來改善我們雪山隧道歸宿車的問題好不好一個月好那就以上兩個問題再馬上我們交通部謝謝"},{"start":21853.164,"end":21854.425,"text":"現在請王美惠委員發言"},{"start":21874.393,"end":21879.86,"text":"部長你好 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針對吳美惠委員首席 針對教育師提督國界法相關議題提供完整的聽述和發言的依據：來跟吳美惠委員來合作共同完成教育這重要的交通建設"},{"start":22254.223,"end":22267.327,"text":"現在請突宣級委員發言：突宣級委員：突宣級委員不在現在請張宏祿委員：張宏祿委員：張宏祿委員不在現在請林月琴委員發言麻煩我們的部長請李部長"},{"start":22288.593,"end":22292.277,"text":"今天質詢主要有三個議題那之前我"},{"start":22293.132,"end":22317.225,"text":"上任之後我就質詢過可是始終交通部沒有辦法給我比較好的答案所以我就希望來今天你先上任之後希望給我具體的承諾首先事實上是無照駕駛那下一頁無照駕駛的部分這個會期初我在3月份的時候就提出質詢這個議題那交通部也回覆我不過回覆我的是一些法條是認為我這個立法委員"},{"start":22317.785,"end":22317.965,"text":"委員會主席"},{"start":22348.866,"end":22365.426,"text":"確實無照駕駛的問題是很嚴重也造成很多的損失那怎麼樣來加強這個防止包括取地等等我想目前我們的監理師有相關的一個措施我想請他跟您報告細節"},{"start":22368.229,"end":22368.749,"text":"法定人數不足"},{"start":22385.18,"end":22412.534,"text":"在於這個就是說無照駕駛這一塊那這個委員這邊也有一些這個想法那是不是包括可以入刑法或等等那這個東西基本上市長不是只有我一個想法下一頁就是說我當時在質詢請交通部要針對於無照駕駛的違規的風險然後建議也比照酒駕那當時那時候提出來兩個要旨也就是說明定移植保管的車輛也就是扣車的規定那第二個是若實執行廉貸處罰加強審查"},{"start":22414.488,"end":22414.648,"text":"委員會主席"},{"start":22429.619,"end":22456.848,"text":"不是只有你們我覺得說也不是只有我在講因為你們自己當初交通部運營員手是你們的幕僚單位在111年的研究就做出來那過去我們在民間在金捐基金會的時候也做過無照駕駛的部分也提出類似的建議希望能夠針對於罰款以外提高罰款應該要有其他方法手段也就是能不能包括我們剛剛講車輛遺址的保管還有"},{"start":22459.469,"end":22481.975,"text":"就是所有的人的連帶責任要確實落實執行下一頁所以他剛剛講說有法規你都不執行法規更何況上次我提的那要扣車那我想問一下部長目前的進度呢就是針對我上次提的比照酒駕的裁罰的制度那目前進度是什麼"},{"start":22483.106,"end":22499.505,"text":"各位報告一下就是說這個要扣牌照的部分現在都有了那要扣車包括營運這個比照酒駕路法那個都是要就是修處法條例這很特別就是說你們在微電車個人行動器具的慢車的部分未滿14歲的都可以按照報告條例的72支2條"},{"start":22500.686,"end":22526.691,"text":"直接踩行禁止騎駕駛那更何況這些危險的一個駕駛人為什麼不能比照這個辦理?所以我覺得部長這個邏輯有通嗎?沒有 跟委員包括 裡面要扣車要這個扣車排站的部分一定是在條例本文裡面禁止騎行駛一定要有這樣文字警察在執行這個稽查的時候他才能扣車等等的部分所以我剛剛才跟委員報告就是說包括酒駕包括扣車等等都必須要修處罰條例"},{"start":22527.931,"end":22528.511,"text":"法定人數不足"},{"start":22544.538,"end":22571.525,"text":"去規範到所謂的危險駕駛累犯可是這幾天你們的交通部又預告修法了要按違規程度來分級然後換發短期的駕照可是問題是你的進行據點的這個部分佔了七成那你先把管理的工具拿掉之後不是自費武功嗎那現在又說我們要駕駛人如果被吊銷執照要換發我們的短期駕照的時候我覺得這應該是很難啦因為你七成的東西你就已經抓不到啦然後現在不計點"},{"start":22572.225,"end":22572.385,"text":"下一頁"},{"start":22595.506,"end":22621.088,"text":"那針對於這是交通部回覆我的書面報告那時候講說交通違規的處罰有很多種違規祭典是累積性的然後因為很難規則責任因為查不到人所以我們就採心不要決定那個進取不祭典可是我想問部長不祭典如何汰換掉不適任的高風險的人因為這些人都是道路上強烈的侵略者"},{"start":22621.829,"end":22621.969,"text":"下一頁"},{"start":22647.185,"end":22666.156,"text":"更何況我上次就質詢過說交通部已經花大錢在做這個程式那如果當初你們因為這個祭典規則不容易去延伸到然後產生黃牛問題所以花大錢做的這個集合程式那到底是這個花大錢的集合程式沒在用不好用還是交通"},{"start":22666.636,"end":22667.437,"text":"委員會主席"},{"start":22686.067,"end":22700.548,"text":"希望你們可以趕快若實然後針對我剛剛提的這些部分能夠做到好的回覆讓我知道說你們接下來要怎麼做我不知道部長一個禮拜可以嗎這是舊的東西"},{"start":22703.127,"end":22703.307,"text":"下一頁齁"},{"start":22716.681,"end":22744.742,"text":"所以我主張事實上應該建議你們全面檢討並修訂無照駕駛因為它社會成本這麼的高造成我們有千億的一個社會成本所以是不是無照駕駛的違規處罰跟管理機制那第二個重新檢討你要不要調高這個危險違規行為的處罰跟管理機制希望你加強加速去推動我們國內的考照制度的革新來全面檢討我們駕駛人管理機制再麻煩部長"},{"start":22746.324,"end":22755.258,"text":"不要再回覆我那樣的資料因為有的資料我等不到有的回我法條我就不要認為我是新科立委以上謝謝"},{"start":22756.817,"end":22777.744,"text":"好謝謝林耀勤委員發言完畢現在請林楚英委員林楚英委員林楚英委員不在現在請鄭振前委員鄭振前委員鄭振前委員不在現在請張其凱委員張其凱委員張其凱委員不在現在請陳冠廷委員陳冠廷委員發言"},{"start":22791.338,"end":22795.98,"text":"邱志偉你們助理在找你趕快回去"},{"start":22813.362,"end":22814.844,"text":"最新的發言請交通部部長請你部長"},{"start":22824.551,"end":22847.506,"text":"委員好 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stop然後旁邊有一個具體的就是巴士的一個符號或者是說公車的符號這樣子更加的易懂對於觀光客來說更加友善對於在臺灣未來的這些"},{"start":23181.528,"end":23209.405,"text":"外交的這些相關人員一看便能夠了解到我們的交通運輸工具這個部分可不可以來討論來去做一個改進我們看好像每個縣市的公車的站牌標示不太一致我們來看怎麼樣可以非常感謝來去做一個統合好 謝謝好 謝謝陳冠廷委員發言完畢現在請徐欣穎委員徐欣穎委員徐欣穎委員不在現在請邱志偉委員發言"},{"start":23217.715,"end":23243.796,"text":"謝謝主席最後一個質詢等於會變很差請交通部李部長休息一下這個高速公路局高工局副局長公路局陳局長民航局何局長中華航空謝四千董事長這個"},{"start":23247.403,"end":23274.766,"text":"高雄可以作為東南亞這個區域的這個轉運中心就小港機場所以未來這個小港機場我覺得這個航線可以增加因為很多轉機都是從東南亞來所以小港機場可以扮演分擔這個桃園機場轉機的一個功能而且它的地理系也方便那我發現這個不管是華航或者這個國際航空"},{"start":23276.676,"end":23282.244,"text":"在小港機場使用的這個飛機都比較老舊一點差不多737800齁差不多"},{"start":23285.503,"end":23311.613,"text":"規劃"},{"start":23312.492,"end":23330.717,"text":"所以因為小港機場沒有這個長城航線沒有北美沒有紐澳也沒有歐洲航線所以轉機的需求就變得少你可以示範一下我曾經在那邊不少執行幾次希望小港機場可以這個有長城航線的規劃不見得是"},{"start":23333.541,"end":23333.841,"text":"對南部人比較不公平"},{"start":23365.106,"end":23365.386,"text":"委員會主席"},{"start":23395.206,"end":23400.607,"text":"這個應該不會啦有這種感覺啦另外這個航權航線的規劃這個這個民政局航線有關其實高雄要飛北美這個確實已經討論過很多遍然後這個主要還是考慮到航空公司本身經營的條件以前曾經長榮飛過來不過後來他發現這樣的一個可能還是經營業者來說明可能比較"},{"start":23421.152,"end":23421.432,"text":"委員會主席"},{"start":23442.061,"end":23468.161,"text":"這個所謂的轉機的班機大概基本上都是在差不多宵禁的時間所以這個問題現在目前為止是比較難克服沒有你宵禁期間是12點嘛對不對希望你12點嘛12點我相信你可以安排在11點左右就飛出去應該沒有問題不要一直在研究啦見機旅居趕快這個看看這個七八月份有沒有可能有個幾個航班先試點看看飛北美"},{"start":23469.824,"end":23486.907,"text":"北美幾個熱門行列試看看,轉機客一來不得了好,謝謝那個告訴公務局,那個陸科陸科的聯絡到東延接到這個田寮交流道接到國道3號,這個在可行性研究"},{"start":23489.032,"end":23504.543,"text":"這個一定要成喔因為喔未來陸科橋科還有原本的永安工業區那個未來工業區聚落在那邊S郎大中心所以貨運客運需求非常的非常的大所以你沒有辦法把國道3號跟國道1號透過陸科聯繫起來"},{"start":23507.444,"end":23529.97,"text":"這個以後會形成很大的交通問題所以這個要謹記好不好是 這整個的話高雄市政府目前已經在做可行性研究那這個案子也是我提案的我們會來會來配合好 積極配合那台六十一縣的公務局剛才說台六十一縣是公務局嘛對 這個南延到高雄市區到南梓這也是我提案的對不對目前進度呢"},{"start":23530.811,"end":23546.908,"text":"這個部分我們可信研究齁因為他是從臺南曾文溪一直到藍紫指關那所以我們大概在今年的八月份這個可信研究我們公務局就會提出來好五月份八月份好謝謝非常準時"},{"start":23554.464,"end":23567.584,"text":"好,謝謝。謝謝邱志偉委員那也請何局長跟謝士謙董事長針對相關小港機場的航線的增加以及相關客機的優化"},{"start":23569.066,"end":23594.999,"text":"希望能夠提出更具體的作為高雄的鄉親南部鄉親一直在抱怨為什麼我們要做舊的飛機小的飛機載體的客機這個都已經講了多次了那我們希望在下半年度希望有具體的改善那現在接下來是謝玉鳳委員"},{"start":23596.432,"end":23625.055,"text":"謝玉鳳委員．謝玉鳳委員不在．現在請莊瑞雄委員．莊瑞雄委員．莊瑞雄委員不在．現在請賴世寶委員．賴世寶委員．賴世寶委員．現在請林德福委員．林德福委員．林德福委員不在．現在請林思明委員．林思明委員．林思明委員不在．"},{"start":23627.17,"end":23656.095,"text":"也請李孟諺部長特別督促針對小港機場相關的航線增加以及對於客機的這樣的一個提升相關的座位以及服務的水準請李部長多嚴加的督促請坐登記執行委員軍禮發言完畢做以下決定報告及詢討完畢委員翁曉琳、莊岳雄、林楚英、圖全及黃仁所提書面質詢"},{"start":23657.195,"end":23671.501,"text":"列入紀錄並刊登公報．委員於質詢中要求提供相關書面資料．或未及答覆部分．請交通部盡速以書面答覆．本日議程處理完畢 散會"},{"start":23687.253,"end":23687.874,"text":"主席"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}