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這邊這個世界目的特殊重症內的一個破口"},{"start":313.487,"end":319.983,"text":"現在產生破口對於我們國內的產業很壞因為不僅僅是稀產地它還會大量的低價傾銷進來台灣稀產地出去"},{"start":323.055,"end":334.88,"text":"是破壞我們國家的信任啊,我們國家的信用就沒有了信用沒有了,不一定關稅,跟中國一樣,一百四十五%也有可能耶整個跟中國的系統一樣,這是我們絕對沒有管理的而且它低價清消,對我們產業大大的打擊對我們人民去吸收到安全的產品,也是一個很大的考驗"},{"start":349.506,"end":357.291,"text":"全力來抵制這兩個事情所以院長在這本身也跟你說我們要聽過這關非常對全世界對台灣中華民國的經濟非常重要所以我相信你的團隊一定會公出對台灣中華民國的優利的關稅我希望釣魚都說一體"},{"start":373.681,"end":401.248,"text":"人民也給這個時間收到一個耐心我相信我們這個擔保跟這個關稅制度的條件一直是副議長在主持 大家應該對他有最大的認識跟最有最大的信心院長 其實我也說對你們的年齡一定很好的結果啦在我們最近也有看到你的裡面的各位裡面的"},{"start":403.655,"end":412.199,"text":"內閣裡面有一個公署說 台灣中國一邊一國嘛那又沒有議會說 有人去那裡搞"},{"start":417.403,"end":432.874,"text":"去到國會當中 你看在這個規定當中是台灣租款內亂外犯還是聽吳彤內亂外犯在這個規定當中 我覺得你的內閣裡面說這樣有什麼不對尤其本來就一邊一角 沒有人敢講"},{"start":447.179,"end":458.386,"text":"院長,你認為呢?這個講話,我認為這是白話文啦!對!現在講的就是中華民國跟中華人民共和國,互利數!喔!對啦!對啦!"},{"start":459.151,"end":473.637,"text":"在這裏 我覺得在武統的規定的自由裏面他用言論自由來擺脫我們的言論和自由我覺得這是非常不應該的在這個國家裏面 你如果覺得他不好他不要住在這裏"},{"start":485.523,"end":509.932,"text":"要回去啦 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