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宣讀完畢。"},{"start":2079.485,"end":2093.824,"text":"好,請問各位委員上次會議議事錄有沒有錯誤或是遺漏之錯?好,沒有,那我們就議事錄確定那今天議程有兩個我們就繼續審查偏遠地區學校教育發展條例相關的修正草案共識案"},{"start":2094.445,"end":2121.127,"text":"然後包括委員柯志恩等18人還有魯明哲等24人委員馬文君等17人還有委員盧仙怡等20人然後第二個是我們繼續審查國民體育法的相關草案共思案包括委員柯志恩等17人包括委員莊瑞雄等21人還有委員蔡其昌等21人還有委員何新村等20人擬具的這個國民體育法的部分條文修正案"},{"start":2121.647,"end":2131.677,"text":"那我們現在就要進行逐條的一個審查我們首先介紹在場的委員我們再其次介紹我們與會的一個官員我們在場委員我們有范雲委員林一綺委員盧憲一委員秀寶委員陳培韻委員郭玉琴委員"},{"start":2143.152,"end":2151.897,"text":"吳立華委員張雅玲委員吳佩奕委員好謝謝我們教育部的官員有有今天是政務次長張亮萬堅"},{"start":2154.329,"end":2183.168,"text":"還有我們的彭副園署長、曾世忠署長還有教育部的各司長跟處長我就不一一介紹了首先如果委員有臨時的提案的話我們就在上午10點30分前提出處理提案的時候若提案的委員還有連署的委員均不在場我們就原例不予討論我們現在因為有在場委員要求要做一些廣泛討論本席才是每個人三分鐘而且一次"},{"start":2184.485,"end":2184.946,"text":"第十六條條文修正草案案。"},{"start":2199.592,"end":2203.576,"text":"主席好還有大家我想先謝謝主席召委安排這個題目我是覺得這個題目一直是非常重要那我之前有幫忙照顧花蓮的時候也非常關心偏遠地區的學校的教育"},{"start":2215.208,"end":2241.124,"text":"那大家可能一些委員知道就是上一任的時候代理教師的權益我也爭取了非常多那基本上就是能夠做到讓代理教師的年輕的人才不會因為這個制度不好而流失那也事實上也讓代理教師跟一般的教師幾乎就是除了資格之外待遇是平等的那我想我看了就是研究了今天的修正的版本"},{"start":2242.064,"end":2245.025,"text":"條文本身的用意是好的他希望能夠讓偏鄉的代理教師能夠有一個轉正的機會這大家當然都支持"},{"start":2260.112,"end":2285.203,"text":"但是這個方式是什麼就是是要納進由學校治病而且是所有偏鄉的代理老師然後方法上還有設全額補助的師培班那這個部分好像就是各界都有一些不同的看法那老師說我有請教我們教師公會代理教師團體還有比較關心偏鄉的朋友那大家的看法就是說這個用意是好的"},{"start":2286.723,"end":2304.632,"text":"偏鄉代理條例我們通過之發展有些東西的確是需要檢討可是是不是我們今天這個條文的方法的那各界都有蠻多的憂慮那我聽完之後我自己覺得就不可能在我們討論這個部分應該要先給我們幾個比較詳細的答案針對第一個偏鄉代理教室的比例是多少那真的是不足夠嗎流動率偏高嗎那第二個"},{"start":2315.618,"end":2316.519,"text":"第十六條條文修正草案案"},{"start":2335.222,"end":2346.17,"text":"第十六條條文修正草案案。 委員馬文君等17人擬具第十六條條文修正草案。 委員馬文君等17人擬具第十六條條文修正草案。 委員馬文君等17人擬具第十六條條文修正草案。 委員馬文君等17人擬具第十六條條文修正草案。 委員馬文君等17人擬具第十六條條文修正草案。 委員馬文君等17人擬具第十六條條文修正草案。 委員馬文君等17人擬具第十六條條文修正草案。 委員馬文君等17人擬具第十六條條文修正草案。 委員馬文君等17人�"},{"start":2363.703,"end":2383.669,"text":"那上一次那個詢答的時候其實我有問其中一部分包含就是說教育部是不是有其他的方案那教育部後來有部分答詢我但是還沒有完全解答那我想就是今天這個條文如果沒有搭配9任方案的話那我也覺得蠻爭議的"},{"start":2385.509,"end":2394.515,"text":"教育部自己前面備案的有餘而就開給其他全額補助的這是教育部給我的一個解方我覺得好像爭議會比較少一點當然整體來講我覺得我們這個偏鄉的這個發展條例用意良好通過之後到目前為止好像少了一個整體的檢討今天謝謝趙偉排這個部分我覺得我們應該要"},{"start":2408.644,"end":2410.827,"text":"第18人擬具:「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第18人擬具:「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例"},{"start":2423.541,"end":2424.562,"text":"第18人擬具:「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例"},{"start":2442.372,"end":2442.893,"text":"第十六條條文修正草案案。"},{"start":2468.342,"end":2473.244,"text":"謝謝主席偏鄉教育發展條例這個其實之前專報的時候有討論過那就是因為條例上路了6年其實不管是在教學的現場學生家長或是老師其實對這個條例上路之後都有很多的想法跟意見那今天呢我們的這個修法的條例的版本呢其實有好幾個"},{"start":2492.274,"end":2512.307,"text":"我會認為在前面廣泛討論非常重要就是因為就我來看我認為好幾條之間其實相互都是有所牽動跟關聯的所以我還是會回到說條例上路已經6年多了那在專案報告當中其實各個委員大概都提出了很多的意見跟問題那教育部自己針對條例上路之後這6年來我們有沒有一個整體通盤的檢討因為我想就之前的討論當中有一些的檢討的改善"},{"start":2521.793,"end":2540.402,"text":"可能是要透過行政的有些是中央的有些是地方政府例如說這個師資不足當然是一個最根本的問題但究竟我們是要用代理教師還是我們要來增加正式教師的員額編制那教育部有沒有跟各個縣市的地方政府來通盤的檢討討論過因為過去我在台北市議會其實這個教師的問題一直都是必須要去"},{"start":2548.306,"end":2553.548,"text":"趕快想辦法的那每一年在討論都是那我們怎麼樣讓哪些代理教師可以先進來可是這都不是長久之道那到底政府我們自己的政府自己還是要讓正式教師的員額要把它慢慢提升上來那教育部有沒有跟縣市政府討論過他們需要什麼樣的幫助所以還是會認為我們需要一個教育部自己啦"},{"start":2570.353,"end":2573.574,"text":"提出一個整體通盤的檢討,這裡面不要關在辦公室自己做,也沒有去跟團體討論,因為光是我看到其中第八條、第十二條,都有團體都有不同的意見,但是到今天為目前為止,我們要審法條之前,我們手邊都沒有資料,都沒有資訊,教育部你們去了解了沒有?"},{"start":2590.919,"end":2598.422,"text":"各個團體之間目前有共識的是哪些還沒有共識的是哪些你們都沒有提供我們資訊這樣子就要去修法讓它成為一個通案我覺得會相當的危險所以我是希望等會希望主席能夠才是交付了一個時間可以告訴我們你們什麼時候要做通盤的檢討"},{"start":2609.286,"end":2611.849,"text":"這些檢討的報告資料出來我認為我們在進行個別細節條文的修改跟討論我也覺得是比較妥善的否則六年前這個條例上路之後我們大致上大家都認為可以一勞永逸但確實條文條例沒有辦法"},{"start":2624.901,"end":2647.719,"text":"根本的改變問題那就是在行政當中例如說哪些部分我們有沒有預算再給地方政府要來支持老師跟現場教學的現場我們可以哪些的方法來幫助這個我真的是認為說在討論修法以前我們要有更多相關的了解所以我希望主席等會要請教育部要來提供相關的這個資訊我們再來進行細節的討論好謝謝好謝謝吳佩儀委員接下來我們請張雅琳委員"},{"start":2665.246,"end":2687.293,"text":"主席、各位委員大家好我們今天要來討論這個偏鄉、偏遠地區的學校教育發展條例但是我也是要呼應前面幾位委員說的事情就是說我們其實到今天要做這些討論的時候我好像還沒有收到相關的細節這些影響性的評估到底是什麼我們還沒有來做一些相關的溝通就要進入足條裡面我自己會覺得非常的擔心因為坦白說"},{"start":2688.654,"end":2694.329,"text":"我自己其實以前就是每一年我基本上都會去花蓮、台東那所以其實現場也是會有聽到說"},{"start":2697.472,"end":2720.909,"text":"這些老師他們不想離開的原因其實非常複雜那其實有可能是因為社區的關係有可能是交通的關係有可能是醫療的關係都有可能會影響這老師願不願意留下來不然就會常常發生就是說我們可能經過了一個暑假老師就跑曠光只剩下校長的問題所以我們還是要回到根本就是現場我們有沒有收集意見啦現場的意見是什麼然後有沒有跟這些相關的團體"},{"start":2723.19,"end":2724.692,"text":"第十六條條文修正草案案。"},{"start":2743.527,"end":2765.82,"text":"我們現在還是會有這個流動率我到現在其實我也並不是那麼清楚說我們到底做了這件事情之後我們每年的流動率有沒有下降哪一些部分是有效哪一些部分是要再做調整的這個部分真的要請教育部要提供一個完整的報告不然直接進入法律的修正其實並不知道對於現場是一個注意還是一個阻力"},{"start":2767.185,"end":2792.531,"text":"那再來就是說我希望就是我看到這個我們好像應該是每三年根據我們之前應該是要去做一些檢討啦就是說我之前也有聽到國教署是有說他有跟已經有開了幾場會議但是坦白說那個會議的結論到底是什麼這部分是不是可以有一些完整的報告是待會可以提供呢還是什麼時候可以提供讓我們大家可以更清楚的去了解那最後就是說"},{"start":2794.672,"end":2813.43,"text":"我們現在的這個代理師資到底我們是需要讓他變成是轉正呢還是要用透過現在提供一些福利的方式讓他來持續的進行這個部分我現在都完全的不清楚啦所以就是希望說主席可以才是是不是請教育部提供相關的回覆我們再來進行詳細的討論謝謝好謝謝莊雅琳委員接下來我們請林怡金委員"},{"start":2826.725,"end":2852.912,"text":"謝謝召委我想今天針對這個修法我想到處奔走跟中央要資源當然這是我們民意代表的天職那今天柯召委跟諸委員透過修法的方式要為地方做爭取我想背後的精神是可敬的可是在行政立法這個分立制衡的狀態之下國家資源要怎麼運用恐怕也不是幾段法律文字能夠做精準的拿捏所以我們希望說"},{"start":2853.952,"end":2871.235,"text":"中央可以持續把餅做大可是我們也同時要要求說中央做出來這個餅是好吃的是能吃的如果做大的餅虛有其表那實際上根本也難以下驗那這也絕對不符合國人的期待那餅又大又好吃那做餅的時間"},{"start":2875.779,"end":2894.597,"text":"立委修法必須符合財政紀律法開宗明義所揭示的精神,嚴格控制預算稅入稅出差短,謀求國家永續發展。另一方面本席希望教育部積極統籌資源,朝向大家期待的方向努力。"},{"start":2895.758,"end":2911.621,"text":"大家都耳熟能詳的一句話窮不能窮教育苦不能苦孩子這一直是我們教育委員會的核心精神那為偏鄉爭取師資也是我們共同目標可是應該採取什麼樣的策略我想大家還可以共同來思考"},{"start":2912.402,"end":2938.193,"text":"那另外我想今天有排審這個國民體育法那我想這個距離上一次的在教育委員會詢答國民體育法其實到今天已經超過兩個月了那這兩個月中間我跟范雲委員有針對國民體育法都有提案可是今天都沒有被排入今天的議程中那想要跟召委建議一下因為由於上一次的詢答跟今天的審查距離的時間較遠"},{"start":2939.494,"end":2953.3,"text":"那如果針對新的修法的問題我想勢必有重新要詢答的必要那如果不重新詢答也應該將本席跟范委員的法律提案放到今天的逐條討論中那否則就會忽略這長達兩個多月的時間裡針對修法提出的新的觀點"},{"start":2957.742,"end":2983.935,"text":"那我們知道說在一般的程序中也並不可能在短時間之內針對同一部法律來做出連續的審查所以有機會審查法案的時候我覺得理當就應該進到委員會來那的修法提案來做出通盤的審查跟檢視我想這不僅是對個別委員的尊重那也是對修法完整性的這個重視那我知道當然召委"},{"start":2984.315,"end":3000.669,"text":"可以認為說本席提案方向可能跟蔡奇昌委員的大致相同那只有一些立法文字有些許的差異所以沒有被排進來逐條審查並不會有實質的影響可是本席想要在這裡反映的是說法律文字往往是師知好理"},{"start":3001.329,"end":3005.473,"text":"第18人擬具:「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第18人擬具:「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例"},{"start":3034.943,"end":3054.766,"text":"好 謝謝主席排審關於今天的法案討論可是關於這個法案討論我想我們所有人都有一個共識就是偏鄉條例本來就確實需要討論也需要修正還有包含國體法也是可是如果沒有更廣泛的討論或是更仔細的條文評估所有的討論我都會認為流於形式怎麼說"},{"start":3055.467,"end":3076.514,"text":"以我認識的偏鄉條例來說目前教育部因為沒有相關的版本提出但是我們在現場看到很多實際上的問題我只舉一個例子過往我們辦公室在協助非常多地方創生還有地方社工而這些人他們可能就是落在所謂學校附近的社區可以作為支持學校教育系統發展非常重要的人力但是在過往偏鄉條例裡面確實"},{"start":3078.215,"end":3095.629,"text":"第十一條有說可以開放偏鄉學校根據實際的需求增聘師資但是校長到底有沒有這樣彈性的人事權導致於我們很多過往教育問題都只有在教育系統裡面解決那現在已經有非常多立法委員也都有意識到所有的教育問題都不能只有在教育系統裡面解決"},{"start":3096.149,"end":3096.529,"text":"第十六條條文修正草案案。"},{"start":3126.049,"end":3128.771,"text":"立法院第十四條條文修正草案案。 立法院第十四條條文修正草案案。"},{"start":3150.811,"end":3151.691,"text":"第八條條文修正草案案。 委員馬文君等17人擬具"},{"start":3171.958,"end":3200.361,"text":"現在的這三年跟未來的三年跟前面的三年已經完全的不一樣我相信教育部也都有相關的認知因此我們也非常期待在相關的全國會議當中一定也要討論到這件事情但是很可惜在今天的版本裡面也沒有提到所以我們會認為今天的討論版本當然非常感謝主席對於偏鄉教育的關心但是我要說很多的事情我們都沒有全面的討論甚至相關的公聽會相關的座談會或是更多地方專家學者的聲音或者是老師的聲音甚至是偏鄉"},{"start":3201.181,"end":3202.202,"text":"第十六條條文修正草案案。"},{"start":3229.415,"end":3253.302,"text":"謝謝主席我們今天要審查的是偏遠地區學校發展的這個相關的條例還有相關委員的提案那我們整個偏遠地區學校發展條例從107年制定到現在目前執行的是第二期要執行到112學年度但是在這個從107年到現在其實我發現教育部呢並沒有做一個全面性的滾動檢討"},{"start":3254.622,"end":3258.464,"text":"包括說我們將來要執行第三期之前我們之前所執行的成效還有我們需要去注意的這些部分我們都沒有跟地方充分的討論跟我們所有的相關的團體來討論所以本席也很希望說在這個審法案之前我們應該做整體的這個評估到底我們如何修才是最全面的才是最整體的整個的檢討的進"},{"start":3279.995,"end":3284.898,"text":"計劃我不知道教育部這邊你們本身是怎麼規劃的從我們107年到現在是不是有怎樣相關的數據可以提供委員們參考或者說你們本身定的期程是什麼希望說能夠在這個偏鄉教育的這個執行會有比較大的注意也避免是掛一漏萬那這次的提案呢有很多是增加預算的修正案例如說是第16條第21條"},{"start":3304.147,"end":3307.75,"text":"那這些相關的這些預算經費都必須要教育部這邊來評估到底我們的預算足不足以支應因為預算的這個金額本來就很有限應該要很審慎的評估說相關的規劃才不會去排擠到其他的教育預算其實委員的提案呢就是反映地方的現況地方的需求"},{"start":3324.266,"end":3330.509,"text":"但是往往會不夠全面不夠完整那整個的城鄉差距造成說說我們教師他們在選擇工作上他們的想法也會造成說教師需求的不均衡那到底現在我們的儲備教師在我們這個城鄉差距上的這個偏頗造成說我們有的地方很多教師在等缺額"},{"start":3345.615,"end":3366.516,"text":"但是很多學校是找不到教師這樣子應該要做怎樣個徹底的規劃來協助才不會一直有這樣子的現象來存在那在這整個通盤檢討的這個修正之前我們是不是也應該要充分的去辦理相關的公聽會或做談會來聽取各方的意見希望有更完整的意見進來之後我們會長來提出"},{"start":3368.618,"end":3371.739,"text":"整體的充分的討論之後才能夠對我們相關的這些修法的這個程序呢是很完善的是很完備的那在這邊呢我再一次的提醒教育部我們在我們第三期的執行之前你們相關的這些檢討這次期程請規劃出來你們也必須有這個義務提供完整的這樣的數據來給委員們參考"},{"start":3391.883,"end":3409.867,"text":"才能在這次真正要修法之前大家都能夠是充分了解地方需求以及我們所有相關的規範那能夠對整個的法案整個的條例是最完整的然後最全面的而且是對地方最有幫助的以上謝謝好謝謝陳秀寶委員我們接下來請郭育晴委員"},{"start":3422.641,"end":3434.672,"text":"大家早安其實今天非常謝謝我們的召委特別有特別安排這樣子的一個就是偏鄉條例的一個修正的一個草案的一個說明但是我記得我在之前在質詢的時候其實我是針對這個偏鄉地區的這個"},{"start":3438.016,"end":3458.036,"text":"代理老師施肢的部分我也提出我個人的看法我們知道在偏鄉不管是偏鄉的環境能不能夠留得住老師其實有很大的原因是包含整個所有的他們的心思的體制還有包含他們的交通或者是他們的住宿以及他們的家籍的部分"},{"start":3458.896,"end":3484.926,"text":"這個可能都會是一個比較大的一個問題那我想今天特別有這樣子的一個一個說明這樣子的一個會議其實從107年剛剛其實有委員提到到現在其實我也覺得應該要更廣納更多的一些不同的聲音不管是座談會也好、公聽會也好因為每一個地方的偏鄉的學校他們自己本身的樣態其實是比較不一樣的"},{"start":3487.207,"end":3493.834,"text":"我剛剛也有特別提到在完整失資的部分是不是真的能夠去符合偏鄉地區失資不夠穩定的這樣子的一個改進我舉個例子來講"},{"start":3503.164,"end":3509.106,"text":"還有就是這些代理老師如果考進來之後他們是不是能夠久任我舉個例子來講衛福部其實在這個111年特別有做了一個修正喔他們是公費醫師他們也必須要綁10年也就是說他們會希望他們是要落地生根我們當然不希望就是如果因為個別的一些條例的修正然後增加了這些所謂的失智的一些員額"},{"start":3529.272,"end":3542.206,"text":"但是最後這些老師他可能因為沒有特別綁定他們的時間或者是說以現行來講可能以五年為主那五年到第五年的第一天他會不會就已經離開了偏鄉那我想這個最主要的還是會影響到"},{"start":3546.591,"end":3549.834,"text":"其他偏鄉學校的舊學的學生他們的一個所謂的舊學的一個權益所以其實我個人認為在整體當然因為偏鄉的剛剛我提到的就是樣態是不一樣的我希望這個整個所有的主條的部分或者是說有一些必須要做更改是不是能夠再凝聚更多的一些共識傾聽更多的聲音包含"},{"start":3572.875,"end":3574.315,"text":"第十六條條文修正草案案。"},{"start":3598.766,"end":3601.251,"text":"好 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委員馬文君等17人擬具:「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第十六條條文修正草案。 委員馬文君等17人擬具"},{"start":4063.874,"end":4078.024,"text":"第十六條條文修正草案、第十六條條文修正草案、第十七條條文修正草案、第十八條條文修正草案、第十八條條文修正草案、第十八條條文修正草案、第十八條條文修正草案、第十八條條文修正草案、第十八條條文修正草案、"},{"start":4090.839,"end":4100.983,"text":"委員柯志恩等18人提案。18條第二項手具修正為前條及由偏遠地區學校事辦正確。"},{"start":4104.203,"end":4125.698,"text":"徵選方式禁用,其餘同線刑條。 委員魯明哲等24人提案。第八條第二項手續修正委簽調及山地原住民族地區學校資辦徵選方式禁用,其餘同線刑條。 委員魯明哲等24人提案。"},{"start":4129.514,"end":4131.936,"text":"第十六條條文修正草案案。"},{"start":4155.896,"end":4183.882,"text":"來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來"},{"start":4184.687,"end":4202.468,"text":"你們就開始那個好我們現在就是來這個先第八條偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第八條條文的修正草案然後有柯志恩委員還有我們盧憲義委員還有我們目前為止是有范玉委員提出了修正動議好不好"},{"start":4204.775,"end":4206.616,"text":"第八條條文修正草案案"},{"start":4222.706,"end":4230.669,"text":"全額補助施滋培育相關課程 法條通過後 會有4千多人 教育部對施滋需求到底是什麼 因為我們少子化之後 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謝謝"},{"start":4344.159,"end":4360.983,"text":"導致教師的緣額全額補助是盧憲憶委員,還有誰?我猜大家意見真是多,來我們先先禮一級委員,等一下先禮一級委員,然後秀寶委員,然後是雅玲,然後再是裴瑜,然後再是佩奕,然後最後是吳麗華委員。你們大家好。"},{"start":4368.284,"end":4381.612,"text":"對嘛,整合一下有講過的這個部分,我們可不可以,這樣我們才有辦法,如果說大家的意見都蠻雷同的話,我們就請教育部因為到最後的結果,教育部就統一來幫我們大家做一個示意好不好,來,怡婧。好,謝謝,謝謝昭緯。"},{"start":4384.053,"end":4406.473,"text":"我想今天審查這個偏遠地區學校教育現在是第八條那我想這個都是要要求這個政府要因應這個特定的需求來提高預算的編列那我剛剛有提到說在新政立法分立制衡的狀態之下那國家資源要怎麼運用可能要有整體的那個盤整"},{"start":4408.755,"end":4435.617,"text":"那我想根據這個第八條我想柯昭偉跟盧憲一委員所提的這個法律修正案這兩位的修正的方向我想可能會影響現行師資培育人數的評估跟管控因為在因少子女化的衝擊之下我們所評估的這個儲備教師人數會遠低於偏遠地區學校自辦徵"},{"start":4436.678,"end":4438.1,"text":"第十六條條文修正草案案。"},{"start":4454.575,"end":4457.578,"text":"條例第十六條文修正草案 條例第十六條文修正草案 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謝謝然後我們接下來請張雅琳委員"},{"start":4594.074,"end":4621.67,"text":"主要是說我們雖然教育部有去推估可能自辦徵選代理教師的人數是4705人但是我們有沒有去推估原住民區域的學校到底需要多少人然後再來就是說這些可能符合學校自辦徵選的代理教師如果都納入這個本條例的公費補助對象的話那我們有沒有去估算說可能會增加的經費是多少財源如何籌措那這部分就是再請教育部來做一個說明"},{"start":4626.705,"end":4628.486,"text":"傷害門診保險金、私人保險金、生活福祉保險金。"},{"start":4639.714,"end":4665.81,"text":"目前這個版本寫的是偏遠地區學校自辦徵選方式禁用那如果有人寫的版本還包含山地原住民族地區學校自辦徵選方式禁用這個寫法目前有跟地方政府溝通過嗎因為這個相關的費用跟原額其實會跟縣市政府有關那縣市政府現在的立場是什麼其實我們也需要教一部的說明如果沒有縣市政府的立場說明我覺得會對縣市政府的相關經費造成很大的衝擊但是"},{"start":4668.832,"end":4687.412,"text":"接下來就是關於他們的進修費用由公費權而補助那真的就是變成公費生可是目前公費生有另外一個困境其實很多公費生進到所謂偏鄉社區之後不管他是山地或是非山地最大的困境是整個社區支持環境是不夠的所以公費生很多人現在可能是寧可賠了錢"},{"start":4688.433,"end":4691.277,"text":"第18條條文修正草案案。 委員馬文君等17人擬具第18條條文修正草案案。 委員馬文君等17人擬具第18條條文修正草案案。 委員馬文君等17人擬具第18條條文修正草案案。"},{"start":4707.677,"end":4709.678,"text":"第十六條條文修正草案案。 委員馬文君等17人擬具"},{"start":4731.302,"end":4749.297,"text":"然後接下來我們請吳佩奕委員這個我也是希望等會教育部可以回答第一個這一個這一條的方向大體的方向其實是我們還是希望可以增加偏向地區學校的師資方向上面我們是認同的"},{"start":4749.617,"end":4758.844,"text":"第十六條條文修正草案案。 委員馬文君等17人擬具第18條條文修正草案案。 委員馬文君等17人擬具第18條條文修正草案案。 委員馬文君等17人擬具第18條條文修正草案案。 委員馬文君等17人擬具第18條條文修正草案案。 委員馬文君等17人擬具第18條條文修正草案案。"},{"start":4777.017,"end":4796.654,"text":"條例第八條開了,你們應該要有一個粗估的數字,究竟這個數字人數是多少?會不會對於我們現行的儲備失資造成衝擊?我想這應該是現在手邊就可以有的數字,這第一點。第二點我想要問的是,第八條假設沒有修,以現行來說我們的這個"},{"start":4800,"end":4826.318,"text":"代理教師能不能來參加這個之前的培訓課程我看起來應該是可以另外如果是要補助的話你現在公費助學金分發服務辦法這個計畫裡面這公費生我們是不是就有在鼓勵他們要來投入偏鄉的教育就以現行來說你有沒有其他行政的措施可以去達到我們希望的這個大的方向因為我們現在擔心的是"},{"start":4826.658,"end":4827.058,"text":"第十六條條文修正草案案。"},{"start":4843.606,"end":4866.304,"text":"這個會不會對我們現行的儲備資資造成衝擊那衝擊是多大我們有沒有辦法因應學校有沒有辦法因應教學現場有沒有辦法因應這個我就剛剛講了我覺得教育部我現在手邊都沒有這些具體的資料要有評估我們要先有評估這一條才能辦法來討論否則我還是會擔心如果門開太大門開太大反而造成更大的衝擊好 謝謝好 我們接下來請吳麗華委員"},{"start":4873.961,"end":4886.994,"text":"條例的第八條我這邊修正動議室有提出三個部分也想聽聽看教育行政主管機關這邊的意見在第一項的部分"},{"start":4888.055,"end":4904.941,"text":"因為在偏遠地區學校發展條例的第五條他是只有針對主管機關採公開甄選方式禁用的代理教師他的再聘次數是可以不受中小學兼任代課及代理教師聘任辦法"},{"start":4905.461,"end":4906.362,"text":"第十六條條文修正草案案。"},{"start":4921.318,"end":4938.848,"text":"第二項的部分因為它原本的條文它的補助課程沒有適用偏遠地區學校自辦甄選的方式所禁用的現職代理教師所以怕代理教師權益保障不均等所以特別在這個地方增加把它寫進去偏遠地區的學校教師"},{"start":4942.03,"end":4958.736,"text":"第三項是希望延續原條文的第二項精神我是希望以偏遠學校服務年資作為取得教師資格的要件就是三年內與偏遠地區學校實際服務滿四學期者以上三個意見 謝謝"},{"start":4960.177,"end":4985.344,"text":"好 謝謝所有委員的意見我還是再一次的強調教育部應該對於大家這麼多委員關切的這個偏鄉教育法應該在更早的時間把教育部的評估意見充分的跟委員來做一個溝通讓大家知道到底教育部的想法還有委員想法彼此能夠做一些更多的一個溝通那你看今天大家都有一些相同的一個想法我覺得教育部應該特別是我們張亮萬堅委員"},{"start":4993.22,"end":4996.128,"text":"他過去當委員的時候你能夠接受這樣教育部的說法嗎?"},{"start":4998.888,"end":5006.852,"text":"我們現在請次長對剛剛我們所有委員的發言來做一個回應好 謝謝趙偉的指教我想首先跟大家表達歉意因為我剛來然後這個詢答是5月2號那我也看了5月2號一些詢答的意見事實上跟我們今天縮帖的內容差不了多少但是就是說因為我們禮拜四接到要排案之後我也跟我們的同仁講說趕快"},{"start":5026.781,"end":5036.523,"text":"第十六條條文修正草案案。 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謝謝有關偏遠地區說偏遠地區這個問題我們請署長來回答好不好 來"},{"start":5292.765,"end":5311.873,"text":"馬文君等18人擬具:「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第十六條條文修正草案案。 馬文君等18人擬具:「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第十六條條文修正草案。 馬文君等18人擬具:「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第十六條條文修正草案。 馬文君等18人擬具:「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第十六條條文修正草案。 馬文君等18人擬具:「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第十六條條文修正草案。 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謝謝張偉在第12條的部分這裡"},{"start":5681.328,"end":5700.745,"text":"有做一個修正動議就是關於人數的部分那我要特別說明一下因為偏鄉條例就是為著偏鄉但是有很多的偏鄉其實是政府的資源很難去觸及到的地方以斯馬庫斯來講"},{"start":5702.739,"end":5717.021,"text":"所以如果說我們在原條例這個人數的部分去做一個限制的時候或者是我們修了又有數字的一個限制那未來就會很麻煩"},{"start":5717.842,"end":5729.119,"text":"因為這個偏鄉條例應該是為偏鄉打開門而不是在創造再一次的限制所以就特別希望說這個部分就是在第12條的第一項的第幾款"},{"start":5734.306,"end":5739.208,"text":"第十六條條文修正草案案。 委員馬文君等17人擬具第十六條條文修正草案。 委員馬文君等17人擬具第十六條條文修正草案。 委員馬文君等17人擬具第十六條條文修正草案。"},{"start":5758.957,"end":5784.877,"text":"因為現在偏鄉我們在推動文件站或者是之前的一個民宿辦法其實針對偏鄉的困境我們都已經把合法建物的證明文件由結構安全鑑定證明文件來取代所以我覺得例如像偏鄉斯馬庫斯學校這種狀況我覺得這個部分也需要去解套去解決他們實際的問題 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謝謝召委簡單的說明斯馬庫斯可能會涉及到土地跟建物土地的部分就要跟地方政府建物的部分涉及到箭矢、罩以及消防這次提案有關箭矢、罩的放寬彈性認定跟消防的部分怎麼跟地方政府結合它的消防的檢疫認定這些都會涉及到比較屬於跨部會的確認因為它涉及到安全在一定的專業的認可上"},{"start":6005.137,"end":6012.569,"text":"我們雖然可以同意但是我們今天沒有辦法很完整的分析的話在這邊直接用教文恐怕還是我們再周延一點會更好謝謝"},{"start":6015.08,"end":6035.696,"text":"好 那這條教育部要提供我們更多意見我認為還是先保留好不好我們擇期在哪就保留先保留 謝謝來接下來我們來16條16頭也是我們對不起喔等一下16頭目前為止有魯明哲委員提案馬文君委員提案還有好 那那我們還是有委員有一些的想法那培育委員"},{"start":6050.168,"end":6072.959,"text":"目前看到版本裡面說除了國英數這些之外希望依照學生實際學習需要開設相關課程之前我們也在跟教育部討論關於偏遠地區的孩子們的學習輔導不要只有從學科切入因為已經非常多科學研究方法告訴我們從其他的方法學切入其實更可以讓這些孩子回到所謂主流學術科目的學習例如說我們辦公室一直在推廣的閱讀這件事情"},{"start":6074.58,"end":6101.41,"text":"那唯有閱讀協助增加整個知識文化的背景作為它切入這些科目學習的重要依據所以我認為這個版本還是需要保留討論因為有更多的討論必須要被放進來 謝謝好 可以 來那這題其實我也是跟培語一樣的想法那我也是想說我們其實也可以增加遊戲因為之前一直不停地在跟教育部在做這部分的溝通啦所以這部分就是說我們可以再詳細的討論啦 謝謝"},{"start":6110.007,"end":6127.202,"text":"這部分我簡短的表達一下我比較想知道說教育部針對這個提案你們有沒有去計算過這個評估大概要增列多少的預算因為我們預算其實很有限那你們也沒有辦法就每個面向都去增加預算來做因應那你們有沒有去評估過到底這個要增加多少 以上"},{"start":6128.222,"end":6143.028,"text":"我可以也簡短一下嗎就是說對不起對不起因為要開這麼多的不同的科目其實偏鄉的老師本來就已經不夠了那我在想說這個其實也會製造很多的負擔那這個部分其實還是可能還是要要師資的部分還是要再考慮進去"},{"start":6144.282,"end":6149.264,"text":"馬文君等17人擬具:「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第十六條條文修正草案案。」馬文君等17人擬具:「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第十六條條文修正草案案。」馬文君等17人擬具:「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第十六條條文修正草案案。」馬文君等17人擬具:「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第十六條條文修正草案案。」"},{"start":6171.873,"end":6181.181,"text":"本來這些考慮大概我們都會在評估中所以剛剛委員有提到說是不是再更周延一點我們也請請召委這邊考慮可以給我們再周延一點保留一下 謝謝"},{"start":6187.185,"end":6210.275,"text":"那這個部分裡面我們顯然教育部很不夠周延所以需要再周延所以我們就先保留然後我們就擇期再來做討論好不好那接下來我們就是第19條目前位置有馬文君委員還有就是我們的范雲委員有提出修正動議好不好那也是那個"},{"start":6219.415,"end":6237.183,"text":"吳麗華委員第19條這個部分其實去做修訂是因為說考量在第三項的地方是考量到說上面我們有寫每三年要辦理全國偏遠地區的教育會議但是呢我們是希望看到已經經過"},{"start":6238.163,"end":6255.202,"text":"六年兩次我們是比較希望說更具體的希望將這些公開檢討的事項制定一個偏遠地區學校的發展計畫然後跨域來整合資源所以我希望這個部分可以更具體的把它寫出來做出來 謝謝好 好了 范議員委員"},{"start":6260.472,"end":6286.966,"text":"第十九條我也想問教育部的就是到底教育部那個每三年辦的那個會議情況怎麼樣那結果的報告還有這題主要就是用意良好就是說中央主管機關應編列預算辦理偏遠地區學校教育狀況調查研究那如果有的話那個資料是不是可以給我們就是說每一個委員的辦公室作為檢討之用然後那你們的那些調查狀況主要是調查什麼是不是也可以簡單說明一下"},{"start":6289.475,"end":6290.301,"text":"第18條條文修正草案案。"},{"start":6294.51,"end":6320.458,"text":"當委員所提到的是我們現行整理這件意見的機制呢是用年度內多次的方式還是年度內一次的方式那第二點我們要考慮的是我們是讓很多人參與甚至所有人還是只是用委員會的參與我們要考慮的是收集意見的時間跟人以上我們不太想說用"},{"start":6321.938,"end":6336.91,"text":"一種很大型的只是一次性很久的會議來蒐整這個意見所以我們現行在年年在處理的然後讓所有學校分區都能參與的方式會不會比較能夠因應台灣多元的情形比如離島比如"},{"start":6338.971,"end":6362.043,"text":"花東、屏東的南部跟可能其他像海邊的情況會有一點不一樣以上台灣的多元的偏鄉情形是不是我們用比較多次性的方式分區的方式直接讓很多人很多學校參與的方式會比一次性然後只是代表制的方式再來的有利於各地的理解跟協助以上"},{"start":6363.476,"end":6365.077,"text":"條例同樣需要更多資料補充,保留則其在意。接下來處理第21條,由盧憲一委員提案。還有范雲委員的修正動議。"},{"start":6388.823,"end":6407.59,"text":"第十六條條文修正草案案。 針對偏遠地區九任獎金的部分,之前提的是護理師跟護士,本席又在修改說有一些代理教師、專業輔導人員、社工師這類,或者是行政院比如幹事這樣的一個九任獎金,請教育部在座回應,謝謝。"},{"start":6412.428,"end":6428.439,"text":"關於第21條9任獎金的部分其實非常的重要因為整個偏鄉條例就是希望解決偏鄉大逃亡留不住人的問題所以這個它的一個適用範圍因為我們常常講"},{"start":6429.62,"end":6454.171,"text":"其實學校所有的人員都叫做學校教育人員所以當我們討論這個9任獎金的時候不能夠單單的只針對一些特定的對象那就好比我們在立法院雖然立法委員是公保助理們是勞保但是我們在做調薪的時候並不會去做這樣的一個區分"},{"start":6454.891,"end":6458.095,"text":"學校行政人員也不應該做這樣的區分,包括學校教練、護理師、幹事、工友、社監、營養師等,都有鼓勵久任的必要,希望做這樣的修正。"},{"start":6479.506,"end":6495.152,"text":"其實我們兩位來自原民的這些委員他們就是想為他們的族人他們的工作權益各方面能夠做好更永續的這樣子的一個處理那我覺得教育部應該對於他們的說法應該有個更積極的回應現在是次長還是署長我想這一題我們是樂見"},{"start":6501.533,"end":6520.604,"text":"只要在偏遠地區不容易流採的那個部分我們都希望能夠有機會讓他們留在這個園鄉或者是偏遠的學校來服務不過是真的知識體大譬如說護理師護理師可能有一些他就必須要跟這個主管機關去去衛護部"},{"start":6521.224,"end":6539.651,"text":"那還有就是說學校一般護理師的開缺他是不是有這個流動力那麼高或者說不容易召集到我想這個都需要一些數據來支持之後再來討論是不是來把這個納入那之前的原條文會針對社工或者是專業輔導人員或者是我們講的代理老師的問題就是因為這三項是比較容易產生問題的"},{"start":6548.675,"end":6550.703,"text":"那 細節的部分我們是不是再請署長來補充 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委員馬文君等17人擬具第18條條文修正草案案。"},{"start":6652.911,"end":6677.888,"text":"我今天要問一下次長這個有關我們偏鄉條例每個委員都這麼樣的在乎有沒有可能願版什麼時候會提出來如果有願版的話我們會努力來提因為現在第三期的那個計畫8月就開始了那我們盡量在半年內好不好半年內把這版本"},{"start":6681.81,"end":6699.796,"text":"現在我們對地方這樣一起努力幫偏鄉大概凝聚了失資設備經費行政減量跟能不能夠比較是社區一起跟韓同家庭來處理這一些因為一直有在探討開了15場會議我們也凝聚了能改的先改像行政減量經費彈性但是失資跟社區這件事情"},{"start":6704.838,"end":6706.52,"text":"第十六條條文修正草案案"},{"start":6729.25,"end":6729.37,"text":"沛穎委員"},{"start":6758.39,"end":6762.572,"text":"這個我要呼籲范雲委員但是我想我們剛剛的建議是這個整體的檢討報告不要是你們自己關起來寫剛剛當然教育部有說已經開過15個場次但是聽起來都是中小型的最中間你可以用滾動式的方式檢討但是我們希望是上路6年可不可以再做一個全國綜合性的這個盤點"},{"start":6781.22,"end":6783.822,"text":"第18人擬具:「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第18人擬具:「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例"},{"start":6797.671,"end":6803.835,"text":"第十六條條文修正草案案。 委員馬文君等18人擬具:「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第十六條條文修正草案案。 委員馬文君等18人擬具:「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第十六條條文修正草案。 委員馬文君等18人擬具:「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第十六條條文修正草案。 委員馬文君等18人擬具:「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第十六條條文修正草案。 委員馬文君等18人擬具:「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第十六條條文修正草案。 委員馬文君等18人"},{"start":6825.289,"end":6826.889,"text":"第18人擬具:「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第18人擬具"},{"start":6844.974,"end":6856.763,"text":"10分鐘好不好,然後我們就要接續起我們的國民體育法,謝謝,然後我們也請教育部持續跟我們這些偏鄉委員能夠做持續的溝通好嗎?好,謝謝。謝謝委員,謝謝蔡委員,謝謝趙委員,他也是聚焦大學的,把那個15次,謝謝,大學的把他聚焦,8月份看能不能開講,8月份,我留意。"},{"start":6870.313,"end":6874.937,"text":"第18條條文修正草案案。 委員馬文君等17人擬具第18條條文修正草案案。"},{"start":6892.273,"end":6897.877,"text":"立法院第十四條文修正草案案。 立法院第十四條文修正草案案。"},{"start":6919.032,"end":6924.996,"text":"第18條條文修正草案案。 委員馬文君等17人擬具第18條條文修正草案。 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對不對警政院有意見新的不是啊 吳二齡剛上來那個向政府院長 他有意見啊"},{"start":7120.014,"end":7120.655,"text":"第十條條文修正草案案。"},{"start":7136.972,"end":7162.353,"text":"還有就是我跟你講還有一個關鍵齁就是那個輔資中心到底是要用班級算放在學校比較好還是放在我懂 但是我只是說那個是去年就是這些問題啦阿你如果到現在為止還是這個問題的話不是你去年就是這些問題你到今年也都還是在這些問題好不好反正禮拜四是你們部長來的對不對部長好就是這樣子各位國體法齁大家齁國體法應該比較OK啦國體法那個署長說過"},{"start":7166.596,"end":7173.393,"text":"第十六條條文修正草案案。 委員馬文君等17人擬具:「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第十六條條文修正草案案。"},{"start":7182.393,"end":7185.076,"text":"第18人擬具:「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第18人擬具"},{"start":7202.449,"end":7223.406,"text":"第十六條條文修正草案案。 委員馬文君等17人擬具:「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第十六條條文修正草案。 委員馬文君等17人擬具:「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第十六條條文修正草案。 委員馬文君等17人擬具:「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第十六條條文修正草案。 委員馬文君等17人擬具:「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第十六條條文修正草案。 委員馬文君等17人擬具:「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第十六條條文修正草案。 委員馬文君等17人�"},{"start":7225.788,"end":7245.885,"text":"第18條條文修正草案案。 委員馬文君等17人擬具第18條條文修正草案。 委員馬文君等17人擬具第18條條文修正草案。委員馬文君等17人擬具第18條條文修正草案。"},{"start":7247.883,"end":7271.568,"text":"第十六條條文修正草案案。 委員馬文君等18人擬具:「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第十六條條文修正草案。 委員馬文君等18人擬具:「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第十六條條文修正草案。 委員馬文君等18人擬具:「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第十六條條文修正草案。 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謝謝"},{"start":7667.326,"end":7682.518,"text":"再次強調我們非常支持昭緯提的這個版本參與性平的平等可是我們要提醒體育署一件事情如同沛逸委員剛剛說的不能只有宣誓性質那我們辦公室在去年審預算的時候其實就有提醒體育署你們目前有一個所謂的運動推手獎"},{"start":7684.58,"end":7694.903,"text":"那運動推手獎裡面我們希望你們可以新設特別獎表揚性平推動有功人員可是目前體育署給我們的回應說關於所謂獨立獎項推動性平表揚會由性平專業人員審查等等規劃你們會說專案演繹可是我們很擔心專案演繹這件事情它就沒有往下再走了那我們覺得這個部分體育署要再加強所以不管是後續跟其他委員辦公室一併討論我們都希望體育署的相關配套措施"},{"start":7713.707,"end":7714.428,"text":"第十六條條文修正草案案。"},{"start":7720.206,"end":7745.846,"text":"何欣淳委員不好意思先陳秀寶委員不好意思我簡短現在其實我是表示這個認同跟支持謝謝說柯志恩委員趙偉把這個進入條文裡面去確實的去落實它那因為剛剛雅玲有提到我要講的一點就是在廁所的使用上這個部分其實我們在相關的設施一直好像都沒有去考量到還是有考量到你們一直都沒有去做"},{"start":7746.486,"end":7755.682,"text":"所以這個部分既然我們要落實這個性別平等這個部分那我們相關的他們所的需求使用上就是廁所淋浴衝解這個都要這個希望你們可以納入這個評估謝謝"},{"start":7759.77,"end":7760.39,"text":"立法院第十六條條文修正草案案。"},{"start":7781.997,"end":7785.101,"text":"我延續剛剛幾位委員的發言那我的意見呢其實就是第一個我們這個有關這個廁所淋浴空間的一個比例問題還有它的隱私隱密有沒有受到確實的保護保障"},{"start":7799.618,"end":7804.601,"text":"這個我建議教育部國教署還有體育署是不是可以去盤點我們國內各級學校裡面有設置體育班或者是有相關的這個女性選手我們都應該要保護跟保障這個很重要要盤點那盤點我希望等一下回覆我們的時候可以給個時間點你多久之內要去盤點盤點之後又該怎麼按照"},{"start":7826.992,"end":7829.313,"text":"第18條條文修正草案案。 委員馬文君等17人擬具第18條條文修正草案。 委員馬文君等17人擬具第18條條文修正草案。"},{"start":7846.821,"end":7849.322,"text":"第十六條條文修正草案案。 委員馬文君等17人擬具:「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第十六條條文修正草案案。"},{"start":7871.927,"end":7873.529,"text":"這個算不算 那怎麼樣的去處理 這個部分是不是等一下請教育部可以回答我們 謝謝接下來還有哪一位 范雲委員"},{"start":7888.859,"end":7897.125,"text":"這一條的那個文字修正我當然百分之百贊成那但是就是說我比較擔心說它只是一個宣示性所以還是要表達一個遺憾就是我一讀通過的39條修正案有具體的做法這次沒有被排上就是我的修正案是希望說體育團體單項協會任意性別理事不得少於全體理事總額三分之一因為這樣子我們才能夠保障在協會的部分"},{"start":7915.98,"end":7938.095,"text":"決策機制有多元性別的觀點可是沒有被排入討論我要講一下這其實也違反了CEDAW的建議因為CEDAW的第16屆會議就說要求組織針對理事會代表要以規章體現性別平等的精神而且政府有義務採取立法或行政措施消除性別歧視我國2022年CEDAW的國家審查報告委員會也建議應該要具體落實"},{"start":7945.6,"end":7973.196,"text":"那這個部分那我要提一下就是說其實我之前質詢的時候都有問過那體育署給我的報告已經講到說那我們目前73個特定體育團體中只有8個女性式理事長只佔10.8%那也只有不到四分之一18個理事會有達成女性的禮監事比例達三分之一那有些協會其實自己想修法"},{"start":7973.856,"end":7996.916,"text":"可是卻遭到內部的阻撓所以我覺得這個部分很需要國家的協助那我要講一下其實我上次之前執行做講到上一屆奧運我們女性選手的得牌率是高於男性可是我們的奧會的性別比例落後國際用最新的資料國際奧會整體的女性代表已經超過四成了"},{"start":7997.176,"end":7997.897,"text":"充華奧會135委員女性組成不到三分之一只有31%女性體育選手得牌不是唯一標準"},{"start":8013.41,"end":8034.308,"text":"事實上是比男性的台灣選手好的可是我們相關的決策都沒有反應所以我蠻遺憾我的第39條修正草案那既有法制化的一個具體做法沒有排進去那這次如果來不及的話我希望我們下次能夠排那否則我們宣示性別平等可是沒有具體的做法那就是原地踏步好不好以上謝謝"},{"start":8037.284,"end":8043.208,"text":"反映委員你不遺憾太久因為國體法大家都非常的關切所以我們就先就我們已經在巡達過的這個四條條文當中我們就來做一個討論那的確這會是個比較宣示性那剛剛很多委員就是表達他們對於接續之後比較大的一個細節包括一些硬體的設施包括比例等等之類的我們還是期望教育部能夠在這個宣示性"},{"start":8064.662,"end":8070.985,"text":"條文通過後有更細部實行的細則等等之類。 是不是現在請體育署還是次長稍微做一個說明。好,稍微各位委員,針對以上的部分,體育署這邊做一個初步的說明。我想在體育署在最近,我們從去年有給一個各協會先一個"},{"start":8092.236,"end":8107.521,"text":"行為要求在下一屆選舉的時候各個委員會的代表必須要高於三分之一的單一性別至於理事的部分這部分我再努力看看我覺得也不是沒有機會我再努力看看看能不能在下一屆下一屆大概是兩年後會做選舉"},{"start":8109.822,"end":8135.538,"text":"我們看看這部分能不能處理我們在前瞻計畫過去四年已經花了四億多在運動場館的廁所的部分那領域這件事情坦白講我以前當總務長我很在乎不過這個在我們的文化似乎還我們文化 台灣文化運動員訓練完馬上洗澡這件事情似乎還沒有這麼的流行但是我這麼我也來努力那我今年在我不知道怎麼問"},{"start":8137.809,"end":8159.095,"text":"對我來講我是覺得很重要啦 對不起 那個公建計畫我們今年給台中的棒球場也給了五千萬喔 裡面最重要就是廁所這部分所以這部分我們也在進行當中啦 那中華奧會的部分我們在跟奧會這邊在積極的爭取還差一位 那至於我們的推手獎的部分目前我們特別獎裡面的確有性評這件事情 那性評這樣子的一個選項 所以如果有推薦我們這邊會納入去做審查"},{"start":8166.458,"end":8186.872,"text":"女性運動的白皮書這件事情我前一陣子已經指示我們立委黨委已經做了盤點也針對這幾年來的指標做了一個盤點那這部分我在順便報告提供給委員會那以上的部分大概是我這邊初步的回應好那我們是不是就做這個柯志恩委員的這個提案的版本"},{"start":8188.171,"end":8202.977,"text":"第五條通過 感謝 謝謝各位接下來我們就討論這個第21何新淳委員的提案好不好對是不是我先補充說明好不好主席可以啊好"},{"start":8203.677,"end":8207.822,"text":"其實我提了20條之一之二之三就如同我在提案說明所說到的我觀察到尤其是現況我們各級學校的學生選手我常常講學生選手如果沒有受到周全的保護保障"},{"start":8221.698,"end":8240.386,"text":"那他可能在某次的賽事可能有嚴重的運動傷害那就折損了他未來的這個運動員的生涯那所以沒有學生選手就不會有國手所以我一直倡議說教育部體育署應該就這個整套的一個運動選手從小到大的一個保險保護機制應該要做一個檢討"},{"start":8247.149,"end":8254.996,"text":"所以我第一個先把我們全國賽事跟各項學生聯賽的保險制度來入法尤其現在在你們教育部體育署的要點裡面雖然有但是要點裡面各項比賽的保險制度的要求不一"},{"start":8267.486,"end":8294.967,"text":"那僅止於樓地板的所謂的這個意外險那通常這樣子的一個團體意外險並沒有包含在賽事前的不管是交通暖身或者是比賽之後的其他的相關的狀況發生那這些都不理賠喔那我們在實際的這個第一線的學校產生了很大的問題是如果說在比賽賽事"},{"start":8296.408,"end":8298.711,"text":"第18條條文修正草案案。 委員馬文君等17人擬具第18條條文修正草案。 委員馬文君等17人擬具第18條條文修正草案。"},{"start":8316.891,"end":8330.655,"text":"這應該是由政府來法制化來擔起保護選手的這個責任所以我提20之一跟之二之三那也謝謝很多委員都支持我這個提案謝謝我先就這樣子好謝謝然後01級委員接下來是陳培鈺委員"},{"start":8338.038,"end":8353.475,"text":"提出的新增的二十之一之二之三就是有關學生運動員代表學校參賽跟訓練的團體保險我覺得這個提案非常正面而很具體那我們學生因為是運動人口最普及的一個年齡層那學校也有很多的校隊那我想"},{"start":8354.717,"end":8368.553,"text":"我們幾乎有成年的運動選手就是從學生時候開始訓練所以我們覺得應該要完善保險來保障學生的權益現行只有公共意外責任險確實是有所不足所以團體的保險是好的"},{"start":8369.073,"end":8387.882,"text":"不過20之一條的生活補助金因為學生沒有收入所以沒有個基準那這個可能要更有詳細的這個評估看要怎麼樣的配套那20之二跟20之三的行政契約的保險形式如果用這種方式可能虧損會太龐大所以我覺得認為可能還要再更詳細的規劃大家討論看看 以上好 陳佩玉委員還有張雅琳委員"},{"start":8394.707,"end":8414.333,"text":"好 謝謝主席那因為之前何欣淳委員針對他的提案有開了記者會那我感謝何欣淳委員邀請那當時我們的主張就是其實我們在這個議題上我們也跟保險局討論過保險局的態度是認同的那當然相關的在美國其實有相關制度的設計那只是在台灣確實是相關的經費或是相關的政策相關的文化我們都認同還需要再研議"},{"start":8418.394,"end":8443.306,"text":"所以這邊是不是可以要求體育署在相關這個保險費用制度的設計上開相關的研究標案讓更多人參與討論而不是只有我們目前現在這個說法那另外關於剛剛那個署長提到關於那個淋浴文化的事情我要說是不是文化的問題是因為沒有這個設施所以才沒有這個文化我想我們現場所有人去過健身房都知道我們不會"},{"start":8444.673,"end":8465.853,"text":"我們不會只有男生女生決定要不要洗澡啦是設施不足導致於文化沒有建立所以拜託署長要積極的那包含我剛剛說的保險的部分可能過往我們在行政極端確實沒有這個考量但是我想要積極的要求是不是有相關的研究公開研究的標案可以建立相關的討論那以上 謝謝好 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可能我們可以再提一個附帶決議是不是在修法通過兩年後比如說我們執行的狀況如何那是不是有其他可以再更改進更好的再請你們做一個評估報告好不好"},{"start":9029.343,"end":9044.265,"text":"負貸局說目前為止在我們條文上面就是把生活補助保險金你是可以同意把它拿掉的好不好那我們就是把這個失能保險到失能保險為止這個標點符號注意一下"},{"start":9045.126,"end":9065.964,"text":"到事能保險為止然後提案委員的生活補助這個部分何新淳委員可以接受把它拿掉那我們是不是就照何新淳委員的這個版本提案然後我們做文字上面的修正然後把它通過好吧好謝謝然後有關於二十之二跟二十之三我們是不是一起來處理請這個我們是不是一起來處理我們請教育部"},{"start":9072.349,"end":9098.21,"text":"有關之二之三其實我們是建議說因為裡面有很多不確定的因素跟保障的內容而且也考慮到說現行的保險公司商業保險是不是有辦法納入其實我們本來很願意去研議站在體育署的立場可是在內部討論的時候我們法治處有一些意見"},{"start":9099.471,"end":9101.732,"text":"法治有什麼意見?一般來講保險就是一個風險的管理跟分攤一定要符合它的整個事務運作上包括未來可能還有再保險的問題國內在運動保險的這一塊發展確實是比較慢一點之前現在23條的第一項當時國手"},{"start":9125.805,"end":9134.448,"text":"第十六條條文修正草案案。 委員馬文君等17人擬具第十六條條文修正草案。 委員馬文君等17人擬具第十六條條文修正草案。 委員馬文君等17人擬具第十六條條文修正草案。 委員馬文君等17人擬具第十六條條文修正草案。 委員馬文君等17人擬具第十六條條文修正草案。 委員馬文君等17人擬具第十六條條文修正草案。"},{"start":9153.656,"end":9156.557,"text":"第18條條文修正草案案。 委員馬文君等17人擬具第18條條文修正草案。 委員馬文君等17人擬具第18條條文修正草案。"},{"start":9171.641,"end":9196.957,"text":"那如果他在開發商業保險的部分真的會有困難就表示這個商品的架構在跟國外在保險在連結上面基本上是會有點困難的就有點像我們現在國手一樣當他有困難的時候用保險的架構運作本身是本質上面會有落差所以我們用的是用什麼是用預算去補足他的差額的"},{"start":9198.078,"end":9198.538,"text":"第18條條文修正草案案"},{"start":9211.789,"end":9231.57,"text":"那個是帶病投保是不符合商業保險的那個架構的後來就是說那個是用弱勢助學的概念去處理的所以用政策去支援它所以我們講說一個商品要商業保險純商業保險還是政策保險的前提都還是能夠開發出那個商品來"},{"start":9234.076,"end":9249.933,"text":"只是它政策保險是要求強制納保或是最後風險由政府來承擔但那個商品還是得開發出來現在比較大的困難是這個商品的本身並不是那麼成熟所以並不是講說把它納入"},{"start":9250.674,"end":9256.596,"text":"第十六條條文修正草案：立法院第十六條條文修正草案：立法院第十六條條文修正草案：立法院第十六條條文修正草案"},{"start":9269.599,"end":9270.16,"text":"第十六條條文修正草案案。"},{"start":9288.54,"end":9292.621,"text":"原則上我都可以理解法治的意見但是我還是希望我們這個方向跟政策應該要決定因為這是為了我們的學生選手所以我在我的附帶決議裡面也有寫到這一個希望一年內可以研議我還是再強調一次我還是希望"},{"start":9313.707,"end":9316.61,"text":"各級學校裡面的校隊這些學生選手他能夠受到一些這個保險的一個保障因為畢竟現實狀況上確實有很多都是家庭自行在負擔還有家長會"},{"start":9329.82,"end":9351.059,"text":"那我還是希望說雖然這個運動的商業保險還不成熟那也有可能像學生的團選一樣會有這樣子的一個政府的一個補助所以我也希望未來如果這個研議之後那政府的政策保險的制度如何設計第二個政府的政策的補助"},{"start":9352.181,"end":9355.525,"text":"立法院第12屆第18條條文修正草案案。"},{"start":9375.191,"end":9387.967,"text":"我們先處理我們的本文附帶決議我最後再來做一個處理可以嗎這樣會比較容易一點所以你們的意見意見就是之二之三建議暫時不予爭列那改以附帶決議方式辦"},{"start":9390.053,"end":9406.064,"text":"第二、第三,暫時不予增列。 最後一個條文討論完我們再來做處理。接下來我們討論莊瑞雄委員、蔡其桑委員、何新淳委員以及林一景委員的修正動議的第23條。來,誰有意見?"},{"start":9415.022,"end":9440.341,"text":"好 這個有關這個23條的修法喔那今天沒有納入本次會議審查所以我也有修正動議喔那我想我說明一下就是有關運動選手參加國家代表隊的保險的議題我跟蔡奇參委員一起開過公聽會也在質詢時提過好幾次感謝運輸有重視這個議題那在4月中的時候有提出說要"},{"start":9441.041,"end":9458.497,"text":"透過補助國家代表隊培訓或參賽短期失能保險給付與薪資差額要點來做處理本席是認為短期內用這個要點來解決這個問題很好可是若眼光放遠一點運動選手參加國家隊的保險光是使用這個要點的規範不夠"},{"start":9463.802,"end":9486.731,"text":"本席相信不只我在座很多委員都是運動迷我們都很希望說一個完善的運動環境才能有擴大運動的人口增強我們的國力所以我們立法者就是要做好最基本的保障來保護我們選手的保險權益那我想這一條就是說希望保險理賠的額度能夠跟選手的合約薪資相當"},{"start":9487.671,"end":9503.926,"text":"因為職業選手的風險相當高所以很多保險公司不願意承接那本席認為說我們可以參考學生保險條例就是用招標的方式來責定保險公司或者跟公營的保險公司來連結行政契約"},{"start":9504.867,"end":9506.028,"text":"第十六條條文修正草案案。 第十六條條文修正草案案。"},{"start":9526.42,"end":9533.577,"text":"是應該要提供因傷短期失能或身心障礙的選手後續的醫療照顧以及就業的輔導的服務以上 謝謝"},{"start":9537.423,"end":9548.545,"text":"接下來我們請吳佩儀委員然後再秀寶委員然後再范雲委員最後是何欣淳委員謝謝好這一條這個莊越雄委員蔡啟祥委員何欣淳委員都有提案我們非常的支持尤其是牽涉到國手的權益保障也想跟大家分享因為今年的奧運首次納入霹靂舞的項目那台灣的霹靂舞選手孫政就在昨天晚上在布達佩斯的資格賽我們已經確定拿下了奧運的門票所以非常非常好的成績跟成果"},{"start":9566.109,"end":9571.09,"text":"那霹靂舞早期的選手其實都是在街頭自我培訓看著這個網路錄影帶來學習但這幾年有進到國訓中心所以這個蘇總教練也特別講說那也感謝國訓中心特別是運科的照顧讓選手在這段訓練的期間可以得到很好的提升所以我想我們對國手的整體權益的提升是不能停止要不斷來增加那這一條呢最早的這一其實是來自於籃球"},{"start":9594.496,"end":9607.623,"text":"難求工會就指出說尤其是失能保險等等相關的為什麼棒球已經可以來提供但是籃球選手卻得不到所以我是支持要把它入法因為不只是這幾個節目各個單項的選手我們都應該提供他們相關的照顧謝謝陳秀寶委員"},{"start":9613.944,"end":9638.871,"text":"關於這一題在之前體育署的專報的時候我也諮詢過就是關於我們國家代表隊這些選手他們短期失能這個聖殿顯保障不足的問題那當然體育署這邊是回答說他們有編列預算為選手就是他們永久失能及暫時失能這個部分你們是有編列預算的那永久失能顯得目前投保的額度固定是300萬"},{"start":9640.111,"end":9660.816,"text":"在本席質詢的時候就有說其實永久生人險300萬這個額度對國手來講這個保障是遠遠不足那有時候也有建議說我們以資料來看就是說其實我們投保之後我們每一個運動選手都非常的珍惜自己這個運動的這個他們自己的身體他們去參賽的這個資格"},{"start":9661.576,"end":9687.646,"text":"所以其實他們不會去盡量去造成不會傷害自己的這種狀況所以我會希望說我們跟保險公司我們可以來談就是說其實這個出選率實際真的是不高但是我們是不是用這個增加保費或者說提高額度這樣的方式來跟保險公司協議可以增加我們這個永久失能險的這個保險額度讓選手能夠多一點的保障"},{"start":9688.166,"end":9701.052,"text":"那在短期失能險的部分呢其實體育署在這個書面報告有提到說有規劃了來訂定教育部體育署補助國家代表隊培訓或參賽短期失能的保險給付跟薪資差額這個要點但是全額補助短期失能險的這個理賠跟原來的合約薪資的差額補助期限只有兩年如果說他的這個失能是超過兩年的部分國手還是沒有得到比較完善的保障"},{"start":9714.238,"end":9739.272,"text":"所以希望說我們體育署這邊可以去了解說其實對一個選手對一個國手來講他們非常不希望得到這樣的補償但是如果萬一不幸遇到了我們還是要必須給他們一個足夠的安全感就是說我們這個國家我們體育署我們教育部其實對他們非常的重視也願意來照顧他們 以上好 謝謝接下來是范瑀委員"},{"start":9746.628,"end":9770.296,"text":"我想這題包含蔡義燦委員、莊瑞雄委員還有林益菁委員和新淳委員的版本精神我都非常支持甚至我其實覺得我們光是把就是他的合約薪資、理賠的金額相當的話很多時候都還不夠因為他的如果只是短期失能的話其實只有幾個月我想要以我自己在大學的時候是田徑校隊"},{"start":9771.576,"end":9772.397,"text":"第十六條條文修正草案案"},{"start":9801.636,"end":9804.719,"text":"何欣淑委員陳培鈺委員在我的版本裏面事實上就是自從這個經典賽棒球發生這樣的事情以至於我們國家代表隊組不成或者是很困難花了好久的時間才勉強組成當然剛剛其他委員說在籃球也有這樣的事件情況"},{"start":9827.196,"end":9832.138,"text":"事實上我覺得應該是各單項都應該要好好的保護我們的國手讓各單項的國手都能夠充分地感受到政府是支持我們單項運動的發展跟這些國手為國爭光就如同秀寶委員講的國手其實他們都不願意發生事情但是萬一發生希望政府能夠提供的或是保險能夠提供的能夠讓他們未來的生活"},{"start":9857.048,"end":9878.08,"text":"沒有其他的顧慮或者是憂慮。這個部分我還是想請教教育部如果按照我們的條文我們保險制度能補的還是部分我們其他政府如果在國手發生事情之後政府能做的還有哪些包括我在我的提案裡面有關這個就業輔導的服務的這樣子一個轉弦的問題"},{"start":9882.743,"end":9883.603,"text":"第十六條條文修正草案案。 第十六條條文修正草案案。"},{"start":9908.75,"end":9909.831,"text":"第十六條條文修正草案案。"},{"start":9927.349,"end":9948.587,"text":"陳佩玉委員 先感謝體育署在這件事情上已經先有基本的態度了可是因為在現在的版本裡面你們說相關保險的內容是被查那到底各個協會各個單項協會他們的立場或是他們如何看待這件事情如果他們的討論都還是跟我們今天討論有很大的出入我覺得後續還是會出現很多爭議"},{"start":9950.248,"end":9969.234,"text":"所以拜託體育署在這件事情上針對各個協會做保險的內容的確保不要只有金額的部分因為每次出現爭議都是因為保險的內容不只是因為金額的問題那也綜合以上很多委員的提醒拜託體育署跟教育部今天在這個議題上有一些回應 謝謝教育部的意見"},{"start":9976.752,"end":10005.501,"text":"我想這一條基本上的方向我們都能夠接受但是呢這個在文字的內容上因為考慮到商業保險的保障可能不足他有一些考慮的條件所以我們可能會在政策上用我們的要點跟辦法來做一些補助我們可以看一下我們的那個教育部的說明裡面就是本來國體法的23條之一本來就有授權規定定定相關的辦法"},{"start":10006.261,"end":10022.938,"text":"那之二23條的第二項也是針對慰問金也有那對於那個蔡理商委員還有這個剛才林益謹委員提到的就是說我們在23條的第一項裡面就提到說其保險之理賠給付額度因應該選手之合約薪資相當這是很進步的講法"},{"start":10027.402,"end":10028.823,"text":"立法院教育及文化委員會的臨時提案"},{"start":10052.628,"end":10074.607,"text":"我們以行政規則補助現行商業保險就體育運動遠南與城堡部分然後我們在4月23號也訂定了教育部體育署補助國家代表隊培訓或參賽短期私能保險給付與薪資差額要點我們在這部分對不起這個好像是我們內參這個給予選手保障"},{"start":10080.802,"end":10082.264,"text":"第18條條文修正草案案"},{"start":10099.928,"end":10115.022,"text":"教育部的意見我們是不是比較節省時間嘛我們就是根據我們螢幕上所顯示出來的這個部分教育部就你是採納這三位委員的意見然後我們來看一下特別請何欣淳委員看一下這些文字的修訂有沒有辦法符合你當初要提的要旨張偉不好意思"},{"start":10120.643,"end":10140.12,"text":"因為你最後一項有寫說第一項保險的短期失能這是合約薪資的差額中央機關要補助所以你前面是不是還是要納進說其實保險的理賠給付額度應依該選手的合約薪資相當你才有後面那個差額你要補助啊"},{"start":10142.029,"end":10156.893,"text":"因為那個前面是保單是商業保險你如果把它納進去商業保險就必須設計可是他沒有辦法去做這種保單所以我們才會講說那個保險不足的部分才會用第一項第一項我們用相關的要點來處理我們請那個署長再來說明來"},{"start":10167.199,"end":10179.832,"text":"第十六條條文修正草案案。 保險局的專門委員王綺華、王娟瑋主席各位,如果是短期失能保障的話,商業保險能提供的額度非常有限。"},{"start":10180.433,"end":10195.547,"text":"那其實之前也跟很多委員有報告過就是說就是希望可以提升這個額度可是因為保險公司也因為我們現在只有一家公司如果我們就是逼迫太緊的話可能後續承作意願會非常的低那我們希望可以兼顧到這個運動員的需求然後能夠鼓勵保險公司可以去積極的開發這樣子的因為它畢竟是個小眾的市場它比較難符合保險的大數法則"},{"start":10205.737,"end":10211.266,"text":"對 那所以他們在乘坐上會有很大的困難那個額度沒有辦法提升得很高那所以會建議說這個相關保險的範圍比較不適合把它納在這個第一項的內容去做一個處理 是"},{"start":10221.342,"end":10243.094,"text":"我再說明一下我理解了因為你如果前面有寫說要訂因選手的合約薪資相當如果把它入法的話那後面就沒有補差的問題所以變成是你保險要必要保險可是保險沒夠的要用中央主管機關來報我們請署長再說明我理解了"},{"start":10248.747,"end":10253.33,"text":"基本上就是剛剛委員馬已經講過了,對。好,我已經理解了,我接受。何欣淑委員。所以我們第23條就根據,我們第23條我們把它唸一次好了。從組國家代表隊之特定體育團體因於培訓及參賽期間為其報經中央主管機關被查之選手及對職員辦理必要之保險,"},{"start":10272.944,"end":10280.349,"text":"其保險範圍、項目、內容與經費補助及相關事項由中央主管機關定之。國家代表隊培訓選手及隊職員應培訓或參賽至短期失能、身心障礙或死亡者。中央主管機關應發給慰問金並提供短期失能、身心障礙選手後續醫療照顧及相關就業輔導服務。"},{"start":10302.844,"end":10319.55,"text":"第十六條條文修正草案案。 委員馬文君等17人擬具:「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第十六條條文修正草案。 委員馬文君等17人擬具:「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第十六條條文修正草案。 委員馬文君等17人擬具:「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第十六條條文修正草案。 委員馬文君等17人擬具:「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第十六條條文修正草案。 委員馬文君等17人擬具:「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第十六條條文修正草案。 委員馬文君等17人�"},{"start":10326.313,"end":10337.827,"text":"整個條文文字好那我們第23條就是根據以上三位委員的意見做文字上面的修正通過好不好謝謝那接下來我們來處理附帶決議那附帶決議我們是不是請我們教育部來做一個說明"},{"start":10347.311,"end":10374.409,"text":"有關附帶決議第一個為保障學生參加體育賽會之健康安全協助學生選手及運動教練專注訓練及參賽並健全各單項選手及國手培育環境政府應立即啟動政策保險有關保障各級學校之運動選手保險採購程序保險費率精算補助金額及實施方式之研議並一年內完成"},{"start":10377.21,"end":10401.567,"text":"配合辦理我們第二項的附帶決議第二項我想我就不再重複剛才大家都有提了就是最後第二就是相關熱身訓練交通等過程受到傷害的那個相關改成報到後熱身訓練交通有一個交通刪掉交通另外意外保險"},{"start":10403.735,"end":10415.394,"text":"那文字修正後就比照辦理這個沒有意見可是我想要多提一個附帶決議就是我剛剛說的那我是不是待會可以先念給次長這邊聽一下"},{"start":10418.968,"end":10431.612,"text":"我想提一個附帶決議,就是體育署應建立國家代表隊投保支保單及理賠的查查機制,避免有僅僅符合投保金額的要求,可是卻無法提供選手理賠,或是選手受傷後遭協會放生不當對待,以至於無人協助。"},{"start":10438.335,"end":10442.923,"text":"以至於無人協助的理賠狀況另外相關會議的政策制定會議應該邀請體育保險專家以及運動員權益專家與會"},{"start":10469.514,"end":10472.616,"text":"第十六條條文修正草案案。"},{"start":10510.339,"end":10511.18,"text":"第十六條條文修正草案案。"},{"start":10537.008,"end":10566.348,"text":"零食提案其他部分請體育署好不好在旁邊先做一個處理我們等一下回頭過來處理那零食提案我們是有關偏遠地區教育發展條例提案人士所有的委員都有簽字教育部要不要提出你們的看法有關偏鄉教育條例的部分每個委員手上都有一個偏鄉教育條例的零食提案好不好教育部你們的意見遵照辦理好那我們就零食提案一我們就遵照辦理有關零食提案二"},{"start":10569.973,"end":10570.675,"text":"第18條文修正草案案"},{"start":10576.633,"end":10594.182,"text":"沒有 我們先臨時提案二我們先讓吳委員先說一下好了好不好那個臨時提案二其實剛才也有討論到啦就是希望說我們現在這些很想要了解的問題其實還沒有看到確實的數據舉個例子來說偏鄉護理師、工友、幹事到底他會不會像老師一樣流動率高我覺得還是要辦理一個公聽會然後全面來檢視法規"},{"start":10606.488,"end":10627.1,"text":"好 最後一步我們在今年八月就會有八場巡迴的就是那個座談然後我們因為根據大院各位委員的意見我們要求國教署再辦一個比較聚焦的一個整合性的一個大型的會議來做偏鄉教育的實施後的一些問題這個我們就遵照八場"},{"start":10633.103,"end":10635.684,"text":"全面性檢視現行法規修正方向並提出報告"},{"start":10660.623,"end":10661.063,"text":"第18條條文修正草案案"},{"start":10683.9,"end":10692.107,"text":"對各體驗如果有委員要來補簽那我們請議事人員詳細登載在我們議事錄當中好不好那有關於附帶決議剛剛那個部分還有一個嗎來我們先等他們一下好不好"},{"start":10700.043,"end":10726.228,"text":"第八條條文修正草案案。 委員馬文君等17人擬具:「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第十六條條文修正草案。 委員馬文君等17人擬具:「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第十六條條文修正草案。 委員馬文君等17人擬具:「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第十六條條文修正草案。 委員馬文君等17人擬具:「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第十六條條文修正草案。 委員馬文君等17人擬具:「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第十六條條文修正草案。 委員馬文君等17人擬"},{"start":10737.831,"end":10752.274,"text":"第十六條條文修正草案案。 委員馬文君等18人擬具:「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第十六條條文修正草案案。 委員馬文君等18人擬具:「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第十六條條文修正草案案。 委員馬文君等18人擬具:「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第十六條條文修正草案案。 委員馬文君等18人擬具:「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第十六條條文修正草案案。 委員馬文君等18人擬具:「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第十六條條文修正草案案。"},{"start":10754.991,"end":10779.71,"text":"第十六條條文修正草案：立法院第十七條文修正草案：立法院第十八條文修正草案：立法院第十八條文修正草案：立法院第十八條文修正草案：立法院第十八條文修正草案：立法院第十八條文修正草案：立法院第十八條文修正草案：立法院第十八條文修正草案：立法院第十八條文修正草案：立法院第十八條文修正草案：立法院第十八條文修正草案：立法院第十八條文修正草案：立法院第十"},{"start":10784.915,"end":10789.637,"text":"先給陳培育委員提案,先看一下秀寶。看一下。我還需要再念一次嗎?"},{"start":10805.026,"end":10807.63,"text":"案。 沈培瑜、陳秀寶、郭育晴、吳佩儀、張雅麗、何新存委員提出附帶決議文字上的次長。"},{"start":10820.948,"end":10825.53,"text":"對於今天的審查結果我們免於重複的宣讀在不影響條文文藝前提之下文字條4及標點符號為統一體力授權議事人員來做修改列入記錄未予採納的條文授權議事人員確認"},{"start":10839.315,"end":10858.821,"text":"然後關於今天的會議我們做一下的一個決議對委員質詢要求提供相關資料或未及答覆部分我們請相關單位繼續以書面來做答覆偏遠地區學校教育發展條例我們就另定期繼續審查國民體育法已全部審查完略不需交由黨團協商並按擬具審查報告提請院會討論院會討論時由柯昭及"},{"start":10865.623,"end":10871.559,"text":"委員之恩補充說明報告委員會今天議程處理完畢我們現在要休息謝謝各位"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}