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那另外就是說在討論的過程也有講到我們有提到幾個問題就是說這個醫院的適用對象你們提到這個偏鄉醫院的認定通常都是山地離島地區的醫院那或者是醫療資源缺乏地區醫院"},{"start":274.386,"end":289.893,"text":"可是用兩個框架下去看我們去看花蓮的慈濟或者是台東幾家大的醫院全部都是被排除在外"},{"start":291.581,"end":318.478,"text":"因為這些醫院的所在地不會是醫療資源缺乏地區但是他的生活機能確實是無法和西部地區來相比較願意到東部服務的醫護確實是比較好甚至在台東開到一個月51萬的薪水都沒有醫生要去所以我在這裡建議到第三個就是說原住民原住民族地區的醫院"},{"start":319.398,"end":341.876,"text":"那這三個認定標準之外本席還想就是說列出第四個有些醫院可能就是說他地處偏鄉那比較不容易在這個前三項的不是在這個前三項的範圍內譬如說這個南投的竹山秀傳醫院也是不容易留住醫護人才的地方"},{"start":342.617,"end":355.203,"text":"所以我希望說可以在這個稅制的優惠上讓偏鄉增加一點誘因然後也感謝所有這些醫護人員為偏鄉的奉獻我不曉得這樣的建議部長怎麼看"},{"start":357.61,"end":372.418,"text":"我相當的支持我們過去的確跟我也曾經在財委會過也爭取了特別的客租額但是都不太會成功所以這個我們會特別來博弈"},{"start":377.236,"end":404.508,"text":"要跟財政部好好來溝通一下很多的時候我是吉祥物所以我覺得我們這個有時候時間點不一樣或者他比較成熟或有一些這個很多的因素加起來搞不好這是一個好時機給我們來努力看看像王院長他們覺得這樣是有幫助的話表示他們已經想很久覺得這是有幫助那你感謝委員這麼關心而且能夠提議這麼具體我想衛福部一定來研議"},{"start":405.168,"end":427.093,"text":"好那因為接下來是繳稅的季節今年肯定是來不及啦所以我們再加把勁希望就是說看看明年可不可以有好消息這樣子好的好的謝謝那另外這邊還有個問題也要特別另外請這個食藥署署長江署長一起上來好師生同台嘛"},{"start":430.802,"end":441.475,"text":"那個我就直接問了就是兩位都是醫學院的教授首先想要請到江署長醫療效果跟健康效應是不是一樣有沒有不同的意義"},{"start":444.801,"end":465.868,"text":"醫療效果是某一個疾病斬斷治療前後健康的效應他是一個通稱那有時候跟委員那個垂尋壓力相對放下那個健康效果效應就是比較好所以中間其實是會有不一樣的意義在因為本期不是食品"},{"start":466.368,"end":489.895,"text":"OK好再請教部長如果不一樣的話我們可不可以這樣解讀就是說有健康效應不一定會有醫療效果例如吃了保健食品會有一定的健康效應但是跟醫師給病人使用的藥品針對特定的症狀疾病給予治療那目的跟效果是不同的這樣好"},{"start":494.4,"end":512.336,"text":"我這樣解讀可以嗎?看起來是OK我想只要是藥物都是他治療的是療效可是對於一般的食品你不能宣稱任何的療效他就會違反到我們的要求所以我剛剛應該沒有說錯什麼啦是好"},{"start":512.876,"end":527.811,"text":"那我們對於這個健康跟醫療的差別其實是很容易溝通那可是呢當我看到食品安全衛生法的一個認定規則當下還有點傻眼就是說兩位看一下這個規定"},{"start":530.032,"end":552.117,"text":"名稱叫做食品及相關產品標示宣導廣告涉及不實誇張一身誤解或醫療效果的認定準則來看一下準則第五條食品之標示宣傳或廣告有下列情形之一認定為涉及醫療效能"},{"start":552.777,"end":569.838,"text":"那涉及預防改善減輕診斷或治療疾病症候群或症狀好再來就是涉及減輕或降低導致疾病有關之體內成分那第三個是涉及中藥材效能"},{"start":573.243,"end":595.002,"text":"所以藥品是針對已經有疾病症狀來治療用的它本身不是用來預防改善的目的本席這樣子表述有沒有錯誤我沒有設定任何陷阱讓大家跳我們只是釐清一些概念而已我稍微說明一下如果是藥品"},{"start":595.743,"end":610.082,"text":"他對於一定是來自於這個藥物的治療之下產生的效果對特定產生比如說膽固醇的下降那我們下降到什麼程度其實是有實證科學的證據底下最後"},{"start":611.308,"end":633.039,"text":"核給他這個藥物的適應症所以他的上市是從藥物的開始前期以及中間的臨床的試驗確定到開始的我們長期的療效這個是屬於藥品的適應的食品的部分其實我們是最基本的食品其實是為了我們的生活跟生命的延續所以他是必須要的"},{"start":633.699,"end":654.214,"text":"我想但是就是說這個食品或者保健食品它所強調的或是大家所關切的就是涉及一些症狀及預防改善那現在準則的這一條規定已經把所有涉及苗樹健康效應的範疇通通把它納為醫療效能"},{"start":656.915,"end":684.264,"text":"連這個營養成分都不可以講因為涉及減輕疾病有關的這個體內成分也都不可以講那明明你們主管的這個營養及健康飲食促進法所定義的營養成分例如糖類蛋白質維生素礦物質要求食品業者要多添加及宣導結果只要只要講了任何的這個健康效應就會變成不實的醫療效果的廣告"},{"start":685.044,"end":699.294,"text":"那這樣子不就是只准週關放火然後不准百姓點燈嗎因為這個動輒裁罰有收幾百萬上千萬那甚至就是有些公司因此不得不關門大吉"},{"start":702.356,"end":722.158,"text":"就是說我們這樣看起來說原來說消滅產業才是準則的最大功效看起來好像變成是這樣因為業者他不敢就是說完整標示完整然後讓消費者就是說我們現在很多就是我們不知道自己在買什麼吃什麼"},{"start":723.599,"end":742.31,"text":"比較誠實的業者然後就是說寫了經過實驗認證的功效反而也是被罰的所以最後大家怎麼樣會變成說好像大家改做進口商當然很多消費者就是專門去買日韓的健康食品"},{"start":743.51,"end":761.4,"text":"所以我不希望說這個衛福部變成是促進日韓健康食品產業的最大幫手因為這些國家他們沒有這樣子像筷子手一樣的準則我今天用詞比較重一點啦因為你們這個有時候這個比例裁罰也是很重的"},{"start":761.98,"end":786.977,"text":"這都是為了國人的健康但是我想在很多的面向到底合不合理有沒有跟上時代這個是大家要去深思因為畢竟目前這個賴總統很重要國政健康台灣不就是要培養我們國人的這個健康的觀念從飲食上好的這個健康促進來提升免疫力然後減少這個癌症及慢性病的發生率可是因為這些法規過時狹隘"},{"start":789.218,"end":807.604,"text":"以及這些好像感覺很威權的這樣的一個觀念然後不准這個實名業者去宣導經過學術認證的健康效應我想這個有時候我們誤把逢金這個當作馬良所以我想今天提出這樣子的一個一些這樣的議題我們來溝通啊"},{"start":810.801,"end":830.868,"text":"謝謝委員的詮詢特別是針對食品的部分在台灣是健康食品法針對我們的食品有宣稱它的所謂的功效的部分我們有13種的認定那這認定我們會給小綠人標章至於委員順便提到的有相當多的保健相關的食品"},{"start":831.488,"end":853.181,"text":"那因為健康食品強調是保健功效所以很多我們一般的食品他宣稱他是叫做所謂的保健食品在這種情形之下裡面有很多重要的所謂的功能性的一些成分所以目前我們署內也是積極的在研議希望把這些功能性的成分能夠納入我們納管的範圍裡面"},{"start":856.443,"end":879.586,"text":"最近呢我們其實是遇到的一個最重要的一個議題或許委員也了解那因為有很多很多的採購購買在電視裡面的廣告裡面有很多的家長長輩們的採用之下其實它相對於它的所謂的功效的部分會有相對的是讓人家是覺得是神乎其技的"},{"start":880.446,"end":904.072,"text":"我覺得這部分我們在廣告的部分特別會注意本席剛剛提的我要討論的內容並不是要去討論這個被業者誇大的層面而是經實驗證實它有這個效應的部分是不是可以如實的納入而不被當作是好像誇大或者是宣稱的什麼醫療的這個的"},{"start":907.633,"end":922.285,"text":"功效去被裁罰所以我想這個是兩個議題本席肯定你們去把這些誇大不實的這些業者狠狠的給他罰但是有些在"},{"start":922.965,"end":929.331,"text":"法規的這個擴大的這個有點無限上綱的這個不合理的這個規範我覺得我們應該要與時俱進畢竟有日本韓國這樣子的國家我們是可以去參考的"},{"start":939.181,"end":958.619,"text":"那因為我知道你們一定會去提到這個健康食品的認證啦其實坦白講健康食品的認證也產生了一樣類似的問題他能講的提到的也還是很局限所以這個部分本席真的要拜託你們好好的去做一個檢討"},{"start":959.54,"end":987.577,"text":"特別是部長也是在總統府的健康台灣推動委員會裡面擔任執行秘書所以這個部分我希望就是說大家來為這個發展台灣健康產業的經濟規模來做努力而不是去限縮國人的健康權所以這個部分我希望你們是不是可以在能不能在多久內來檢討完畢然後修訂這個不合理的行政命令"},{"start":989.613,"end":994.085,"text":"接替食藥署可不可以先到委員辦公室去了解一下整個"},{"start":996.795,"end":1018.335,"text":"因為這牽涉到蠻多要處理的了解一下然後兩個月內提出我們怎麼樣改善、怎麼樣處理的報告好那就兩個月到中間也歡迎我們大家來多溝通謝謝因為我對新的署長有很大的期待謝謝他是署長專家署長就趕快去"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}