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第二點如果如果如果如果如果如果如果如果如果如果如果如果"},{"start":466.015,"end":472.121,"text":"這書中這你要去繪補是不然你協調說我們的軍方這邊會用的他說他們會用的老母雞過去我看過去還有老母雞可以背不然你這樣做我想說這是他們的權力你繪補的時候來回就要兩天"},{"start":485.976,"end":495.882,"text":"這部份我們都跟國防部合了,所以這部份應該基本上今年應該是沒什麼問題啦對啦,好,謝謝,這是他們的管理,沒有你說,就是我們的東林辦跟我們來回的兩天啊,好不好好,謝謝"}]},"gazette":{"lineno":728,"blocks":[["吳委員琪銘：（11時19分）主席、與會同仁。請海委會管主委。"],["主席：請主委。"],["管主任委員碧玲：委員好。"],["吳委員琪銘：主委好。主委，我早上看了很多委員都在關心海底電纜的破壞，已經有很多次了，包含臺灣對澎湖這一線，還有臺灣對馬祖這一線，這兩線都是遭到我們的船隻破壞，這都是我們的海巡在取締，海巡真的是很辛苦，我早上看到大家也都是很肯定，所以管主委帶領的海巡，你們還是要再強硬一點，維護我們國家的安全，這是我們的重中之重。"],["管主任委員碧玲：是。"],["吳委員琪銘：針對他們對海底電纜的破壞，這個大家都知道，但是本席在這邊要說，因為我們是北部選出來的，我看我們國家船舶實驗室是興建在興達港，也就是高雄嘛。"],["管主任委員碧玲：是。"],["吳委員琪銘：我是跟主委分享一下，我們北部有基隆、淡水……"],["管主任委員碧玲：要有土地啦！因為那邊有提供土地給我們。"],["吳委員琪銘：對，因為我們的海巡很多，總部也設在高雄，我們這邊是不是也可以設一個分部？讓我們的海巡弟兄不用兩地跑，這樣奔波也不好吧！我是提議你在北部這邊也可以設個分部，就是船舶的實驗室，基隆那邊腹地應該也不成問題、淡水這邊應該也是OK吧？"],["管主任委員碧玲：應該是行政法人啦，現在就是要有土地還有碼頭，如果有土地和碼頭，對我們來說我們都很高興，現在也都很缺。"],["吳委員琪銘：對。"],["管主任委員碧玲：所以這就要去研究，我們現在在找北部的碼頭地點要來增加，但找也找不到，都要找到軍方那才有，所以軍方以外的地方有沒有可能有碼頭、土地給我們用，我們再進一步了解，好不好？到目前為止是都要找到軍方那邊才有。"],["吳委員琪銘：是啊，我說你們都著重高雄啊，所以這個部分是不是可以來設一個……"],["管主任委員碧玲：我們海保署其實是很需要分部，不然就看海保署有沒有可能來發展看看，海保署也是太小了，如果海保署有需要分部的時候再來了解，請委員也替我們找看看有什麼地方有地，再跟我們說。"],["吳委員琪銘：好，這是我的建議，希望主委納入考量，好不好？"],["管主任委員碧玲：好。"],["吳委員琪銘：再來，早上我聽王美惠委員質詢提到，我們有兩艘船已經要交船了。"],["管主任委員碧玲：對，年底。"],["吳委員琪銘：但我們的經費又有問題，這很嚴重！"],["管主任委員碧玲：是啊！"],["吳委員琪銘：今天標的是我們中華民國海巡署的造船，錢卻沒辦法拿到，又延期……"],["管主任委員碧玲：民間也有困擾。"],["吳委員琪銘：你會造成造船方的負擔……"],["管主任委員碧玲：它的廠房也讓我們占據了。"],["吳委員琪銘：是啊，所以這是很嚴重的問題。"],["管主任委員碧玲：錢也都沒辦法如期拿到，這樣民間也會有困難。"],["吳委員琪銘：對。"],["管主任委員碧玲：對我們來說實在是很可惜，我們的力量也減少了。"],["吳委員琪銘：因為他們都有照我們的規格、程序在進行……"],["管主任委員碧玲：本來是11月交船的，結果沒辦法交，10月、11月年底兩艘大船都沒辦法交。"],["吳委員琪銘：是，這也會造成業者資金的問題、周轉不過去，也有可能會產生很多後遺症，尤其我們作為國家，它投標製造國家的東西還沒辦法如期交，這是很嚴重的問題。"],["管主任委員碧玲：這就是說從表面上看你的預算增加五十多億，把你砍個10億算什麼，怎麼會「哀哀叫」？但是事實不是這樣，我五十多億裡面有三十九億多就是像這種的，時間到了要把錢付給人家，照契約今年要付錢的，這部分被砍了之後變成我的船就沒辦法交了。"],["吳委員琪銘：所以這個都要去克服。"],["管主任委員碧玲：現在就沒辦法，還找不到方法，我現在也擔心這六百多億如果要再砍，不知道配額要我們砍多少，這六百多億如果再要求我們砍，如果要再砍28%，很恐怖呢！"],["吳委員琪銘：是啊！"],["管主任委員碧玲：現在600億下來，我們如果再分配到要砍28%，所有的凍結案都砍了也不夠，那解凍就沒意義了，因為都要全砍啊！"],["吳委員琪銘：是啊！"],["管主任委員碧玲：而且還不夠，還要回來砍現在在用的，所以很困擾，比方說現在地方有一些補助，到現在我們也都還沒補助下去，因為我們就「沐沐泅」，台語叫做「盪盪幌」，懸而未決啦！"],["吳委員琪銘：這個不是只有海洋委員會，很多部會都是遇到這個問題。"],["管主任委員碧玲：很困擾，地方也很困擾。"],["吳委員琪銘：我們很多的預算都縮減很多，也是大家都跳腳，所以這都是未來要去克服的。"],["管主任委員碧玲：希望明年不要再有這樣的事情。"],["吳委員琪銘：畢竟人家是標到我們海巡的案子，結果又沒辦法如期付人家錢，這都造成困擾了。"],["管主任委員碧玲：是。"],["吳委員琪銘：主委，你先請坐，還有一點我來問海巡署署長。"],["管主任委員碧玲：好。"],["吳委員琪銘：謝謝。"],["張副主任委員忠龍：委員好。"],["吳委員琪銘：署長，我比較關心我們的東沙，現在有多少海巡署同仁在那？"],["張副主任委員忠龍：詳細數字我保留一下，但是將近300。"],["吳委員琪銘：你說300人，預算方面現在已經都縮減了，他們在放假期間，我們過去都是有民航機在飛嘛。"],["張副主任委員忠龍：對。"],["吳委員琪銘：你現在經費卡住，民航機沒辦法飛，但是你要搭船回來，光是船的航行就要1天了，民航機是1小時。"],["張副主任委員忠龍：對。"],["吳委員琪銘：這差距太大了，這也是署長你要去克服的。"],["張副主任委員忠龍：跟委員報告，因為這次差旅費在國內旅費的部分，光東沙、南沙就被砍了六百多萬，也就是說我們到今年9月以後，10月就沒有民航機可以飛，所以我們用客輪替代，客輪要航行1天，22小時到24小時，所以這個時間就拉長了，會影響同仁放假。第二點，如果那個時候海象不好、客輪不開，我們同仁就沒辦法放假，所以這影響很大。"],["吳委員琪銘：沒有，署長，這個你要去克服。"],["張副主任委員忠龍：是。"],["吳委員琪銘：不然你協調我們軍方這邊可用的飛機，如果他們可以用「老母雞」，我看我們過去還有「老母雞」可以飛，這樣才有辦法，這是他們的權利，放假的時間光來回就要兩天，這對我們……"],["張副主任委員忠龍：跟委員報告，這部分我們都有跟國防部協調，基本上今年應該是沒什麼問題。"],["吳委員琪銘：好，謝謝，這是他們的權利，不然我們的同仁放假，光來回就2天，好不好？"],["張副主任委員忠龍：好，謝謝委員。"],["吳委員琪銘：謝謝。"],["主席：我們請陳冠廷委員。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":346,"meet_id":"委員會-11-3-15-11","speakers":["張宏陸","張智倫","蘇巧慧","王美惠","黃建賓","李柏毅","麥玉珍","黃捷","牛煦庭","許宇甄","高金素梅","徐欣瑩","陳培瑜","林倩綺","吳琪銘","陳冠廷","徐富癸","鄭天財Sra 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