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敬請各位委員指教謝謝"},{"start":2419.49,"end":2445.815,"text":"現在要進行詢答先宣告一下思想發言時間出席委員6加1分鐘列席委員5分鐘委員發言登記於10點30分截止各委員如有提案請於10點前提出以便議事人員會診暫定10點30分休息10分鐘中午原則上不休息現在請登記第一位林國成委員發言"},{"start":2460.974,"end":2463.356,"text":"主席、林次、葉局長"},{"start":2474.74,"end":2498.379,"text":"市長、局長首先我看你業務報告以後也就是等等這些電子跟衛星等等的改變的過程但是事實上來講現在我們在整個導航的部分進入港口現在重要的是誰在引導"},{"start":2500.518,"end":2525.309,"text":"包委員您提的是進港之前對進港進港之前基本上是船自己開開到一定位置後需要各港看他的規定他如果有飲水人的要求他就要飲水人來現在完全進港的時候還是飲水人嘛對不對那所以我現在很冒昧的請教一下我們這整個資訊的設置19億多設計完了以後"},{"start":2529.191,"end":2547.093,"text":"這些飲水人還需不需要?目前我的了解是還需要還是需要他們的專業這是所有的智慧引導也是輔助工人主要還是飲水人嗎?目前為止還是還是這樣嗎?世界主流還是"},{"start":2548.755,"end":2570.345,"text":"他只是把這些電子化跟資訊化這些等等也是做一個港區裡面安全的輔助引導主要還是飲水人報委應該這樣說傳進港之前我們會把港區所有的資訊透過資訊系統給傳讓他也知道整個環境"},{"start":2574.727,"end":2588.137,"text":"現在問題真正在外海裡面當然是不關我們的事但是進了港以後當然我們現在還是主要還是靠這些飲水人他們來引導"},{"start":2590.299,"end":2618.404,"text":"我們的智慧電子設計這等等也是給我們的飲水人是另一種虎斃作用不是完全期待吧是不是這樣對不是完全期待不是吧是委員說的是正確的好那飲水人這個問題我就跟你要來好好談一下那局長應該知道6月8號也就是端午節前後在高雄"},{"start":2620.135,"end":2632.51,"text":"中油的油冷、花生碰撞這到底我們的飲水人還在不在或者根本這些國內的大船隻根本不需要飲水人"},{"start":2633.939,"end":2661.854,"text":"報告委員 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added就是它土地使用的增值帶動人流產生對國營公司甚至對周邊的效益所以我想這一點李董事長他們也是朝這方向做那可能有些地方"},{"start":3501.252,"end":3521.88,"text":"還要稍微...沒關係,因為時間有限,是不是說市長可不可以指示一下,這個跟部長討論一下,前港澳公司來研議啦,至少我講十幾年了,你也研議一下,看我可不可行或不可行,不然我在這裡講十幾年當然八年來我當副院長沒有空在這裡,沒有辦法在這裡質詢你嘛"},{"start":3523.36,"end":3543.975,"text":"但是我還是在建議當副院長我還是在談這個事情沒問題這個方向是對的港公司也要這樣轉型過去嚴義姐看是不是要怎麼樣是一個事業部門或者成立一個分公司我都沒意見就是我的意思說希望這樣來做不然你看那個總經理他還要負責什麼我叫他說台中港沒有一艘郵輪進來他現在還在"},{"start":3546.016,"end":3551.342,"text":"總經理的業務量也太多了吧太認真太多了吧總經理要找專業人來做我是說那個部門啦你下面他要有專業的人去幫他分擔這個工作總不能什麼事情我都找總經理去做嘛"},{"start":3565.239,"end":3589.657,"text":"好不好最後一點我提示一下時間已經到了就是我們在興建碼頭的同時港不斷的在興建事實上對漁民的這個就業權生存權也面臨很大的挑戰漁場越來越小嘛所以我過去在半年前我就要求交通部從王部長到現在的李部長我請他們趕快去研議到底對於台中港這個不斷的擴張裡面對過去漁民"},{"start":3594.24,"end":3618.86,"text":"這個漁場變小沒有補償到的部分要趕快研議因為我們這裡面有中油的有台電的有風電的他不是純粹過去只談交通部港的興建不是他現在是很多他都有相關的這個回饋的辦法所以是不是交通部要趕快統一研議一下我希望你們三個月之內趕快因為我已經跟新的李部長他上任第一天我就跟他講了"},{"start":3619.6,"end":3633.129,"text":"所以你們要趕快把這個報告要趕快給我到底要怎麼你們有什麼想法要怎麼來做謝謝委員這應該做對 漁民的權益一定要把它保障一下因為那邊的風電廠也對這個地體對我知道所以你們一併嘛因為這個補償"},{"start":3634.915,"end":3654.186,"text":"忠友台電同時在興建所以漁民的權利也要顧啦就是一方面我們希望經濟的發展但是對於傳統漁民在那個地方生存的範圍變小了這個我們本來就應該適度的可以補償對於相關單位的影響我們要處理好 謝謝好 謝謝委員好 謝謝超委員發言完畢現在請林俊憲委員發言"},{"start":3661.206,"end":3684.467,"text":"好 謝主席 本席邀請我們交通部林國賢次長請您次長委員早次長早我記得交通部尤其是我們安防局要推所謂的海洋觀光其中我現在發現"},{"start":3686.331,"end":3714.329,"text":"那個疫情之後那個觀光的緊急應該要恢復但是國際郵輪目前看起來臺灣大概有七大國際商港只有安平跟台中目前完全沒有郵輪來停靠那這樣的郵輪經濟為什麼在安平連一艘都沒有那江東部這裡是不是可以給我們地方什麼樣的一個資源"},{"start":3718.398,"end":3730.027,"text":"各港有它的條件跟特性那您提到安平的部分其實我想您大概也了解目前雅果、遊艇跟周邊的地區有在發展但是確實還要再強化"},{"start":3733.289,"end":3734.409,"text":"國際郵輪來台灣已經回復到疫情以前的五成"},{"start":3750.675,"end":3771.367,"text":"今年預計可以回復到疫情之前的期程那港澳公司在疫情期間也有一些投資來陸續增加改善各港口的軟硬體設備那對安平的話是不是請那個局長講一下我請港澳公司講一下"},{"start":3777.338,"end":3803.705,"text":"那個在疫情前的話我們在我們有統計大概108年1月的時候有一個太平洋的那個威納斯兩艘次當時是641那另外探索夢浩那個疫情期間有跳島在109年有我講的是現在現在就沒有了現在就沒有嘛現在是對不對2024年你看基隆當然基隆是台灣最大的國際遊覽港口聽說過去200個航次了"},{"start":3806.866,"end":3825.335,"text":"在這個疫情期間我們是那台灣只有安平跟台中沒有嗎現在目前就是前一陣子就是去年的時候有那個尼納倫阿尼納倫他有做了兩三艘次的跨道噴火尼納倫停航了你知道嗎現在停航了你現在說停航的事所以說現在就是新的我們還在爭繼續爭取"},{"start":3829.048,"end":3847.542,"text":"比如說你要增加郵輪來停靠的誘因是不是可以比如說減免碼頭的停泊費或是你推動境外郵輪來台灣的講補助方案看怎麼吸引郵輪的那個航商陸續將台灣來納入他的航程規劃裡面"},{"start":3852.546,"end":3878.465,"text":"我是要聽你說這些嗎?這兩年的話我們是有那個就是定步會免費啦就有郵輪有載旅客啦有沒有辦法你覺得有沒有辦法你看這個數字其實也很低啦你看就基隆、高雄還有以外啊其他台灣的五大國際上花蓮、澎湖、蘇澳、安平、台中也幾乎快要接近零啦"},{"start":3879.13,"end":3899.535,"text":"我們大概4月的時候也去邁阿密去爭取,還有就是5月如果多的時候也要到日本去,就是來高雄以後或是...所以你應該台灣是一個海洋國家,寺廟黃海,那麼漂亮的一個島嶼,沒有人要來停,這是你要去發展的,不然怎樣?"},{"start":3900.871,"end":3901.031,"text":"委員會主席"},{"start":3916.462,"end":3935.627,"text":"把臺灣能夠納入國際郵輪的航線的規劃裡面對不對對跟委員報告那個除了港公司以外我們港公署也對這個郵輪的部分有做行銷跟推廣那也在掌握各個大郵輪公司目前就是說他為什麼國際郵輪停靠臺灣沒有意願"},{"start":3940.951,"end":3956.608,"text":"您剛提的一個是增加靠港的誘因,第二個降低它的成本,第三個要讓那邊的能見度,讓各單位在規劃遊程的時候能夠知道,譬如說臺南安平,或是臺中有什麼特點,能夠讓他納入他的航程。"},{"start":3957.308,"end":3983.197,"text":"我們希望可以看到成績啦好不好尤其疫情之後啦現在遊輪的旅遊又上來了也是很夯啦那台灣完全台灣一個所謂自稱海洋國家是完全沒有這樣的一個政府也沒看到這樣的一個推動的成績能夠拿出來你看這個數字實在也很難看啦好不好我們一起來努力好不好另外喔那交通部也要所謂的發展海洋觀光其中有一項叫做遊艇啦"},{"start":3986.391,"end":4011.178,"text":"我們講的是大型遊輪以外還有遊艇臺灣其實私人的遊艇增加速度非常快剛剛港公司有提到臺南有個遊艇碼頭亞國遊艇碼頭臺灣的私人遊艇這幾年都成長了10倍現在我查一下資料到去年私人遊艇登記的都有1166艘"},{"start":4014.588,"end":4035.782,"text":"相對的10年前大概只有100艘現在已經破千了1100多了但是非自用的遊艇在交通部的規劃裡面也說要來發展這種遊艇的環島航線但你這個法令綁得很死現在非自用的遊艇只有278艘你看這個數字差很多了對不對這種小的遊艇應該是國人玩的"},{"start":4042.759,"end":4068.507,"text":"大型國際遊艇可能是把國際遊客帶過來那台灣人如果我們國人自己要玩遊艇除了私人遊艇以外你看私人遊艇有1100多但是非自用的就是一般我們可以使用的攬客的遊艇只有278艘這數字比例差太多了吧就這樣看的話你這個遊艇什麼新進階航空航空航空航空航空航空航空航空航空航空航空航空航空航空航空航空航空航空航空航空航空航空航空航空航空航空航"},{"start":4071.197,"end":4071.486,"text":"您要回答嗎?"},{"start":4073.823,"end":4101.513,"text":"謝謝委員提醒那我想非自用遊艇的確是促進我們遊艇經濟跟這個發展的一個重點那近期我們也這個檢討了這個傳播法裡面針對非自用遊艇的經營的這個相關的規定並不是那麼明確也造成了這個業者營運上的一些限制不是不明確是很明確很嚴格很落伍"},{"start":4102.593,"end":4125.794,"text":"譬如說那個遊客要整船出去整船回來你不可以A點去再B點下不可以 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如果沒有現在還在做還不好但是其實你看那個疫情期間那個探索夢剛那個李董事長有提到探索夢現在已經沒了對不對"},{"start":4536.853,"end":4542.583,"text":"現在叫民生世界一號現在有幾個行次是基隆跟高雄"},{"start":4549.901,"end":4576.553,"text":"臺澎金馬我覺得這個行...基隆的行次比較多高雄大概有5個行次高雄到澎湖是高雄到澎湖然後呢就是下半年大概8月多的時候那個就是民生世界那目前基隆的話民生世界是也有...我是這樣建議就是港澳公司一起就是說臺澎金馬都可以走一趟就感覺不錯"},{"start":4578.756,"end":4602.23,"text":"所以我說這個探索夢好是當時因為疫情的期間不能出國所以創作出這樣子一個航程出來一個旅程出來事實上這個旅程我們可以延續所以澎湖輪跟我們的澎湖輪跟新台馬輪基本上它都定義為交通船那如果有機會它也可以增加觀光的概念"},{"start":4603.677,"end":4621.55,"text":"那我們高雄澎湖金門馬祖這個如果一個行程出來我相信會有市場台灣人很多人沒去過金門沒去過馬祖那如果一次讓他台澎金馬四個島一起跳"},{"start":4623.049,"end":4638.156,"text":"我覺得會有吸引力那在我們高雄出發所以這個部分希望說港澳公司跟港港局是不是可以做一下這樣子的思考讓我們台澎輪那個澎湖輪跟新台馬輪可以充分使用"},{"start":4639.717,"end":4654.814,"text":"彭胡倫的部分也在我們次長的指導下我們今年7月到9月已經要舉辦這個海上嘉年華的三個示範的遊程你說哪個 台澎金馬彭胡倫一樣是 台澎還有哪裡沒有 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那其實這個會期我擔任召委其實在04、03之前我們就針對交通安全的系統的安全還有橋樑管理、邊坡管理以及相關隧道的安全其實我們都召開相關的專題報告或者是現場的一個考察"},{"start":6072.122,"end":6098.196,"text":"但是還是有相當多的這樣的一個隧道安全以及台鐵的安全還是民眾、旅客頗為憂心的一個重要的安全議題那我們在6月21號就是下午的4點49分第229次車在崇德河仁間的這個西鎮線那因為大清水溪的這個土石流衝擊橋台之後那它的一流覆蓋在"},{"start":6099.516,"end":6107.242,"text":"合忍隧道南口的民隧道的軌面﹐司機緊急處置﹐還是撞擊﹐列車停在合忍隧道之內﹐129車出軌﹐車下設備多處受損﹐司機員的手部骨折﹐8名旅客輕傷等等﹐"},{"start":6119.751,"end":6140.663,"text":"我們針對這個其實我有幾個建議我稍微整理一下就是說我們目前的監控人員這個是我記得是台鐵的公務處的處長是不是處長我請教一下我們行控中心我們有一個監視牆它同時有十多個畫面在輪播但是"},{"start":6142.244,"end":6161.536,"text":"這個關係到安全的一個重要的行控中心的監視牆我們監看人員只有一名而且這個畫面是輪波他這樣人力足夠嗎來說明一下報告這個是足夠的因為這個如果是剛剛講的這個輪波系統是告警系統他會"},{"start":6162.977,"end":6186.53,"text":"如果有狀況他是會提供告警那會跳出畫面來的對這是有告警系統的部分如果是沒有告警系統像這一次有嗎在這一次這個是輔助系統的監視系統所以他沒有辦法在即時就提供相關的告警的訊息嗎是所以我認為在土石流的潛勢區我們短期來要建立獨立的監看系統"},{"start":6189.88,"end":6215.313,"text":"我認為對於健康系統我們必須從長期來說要做一個全面的一個盤整這些關於旅客的安全這個非常的重要那告警跟預防的部分我們短期是否在一些地區來設置擋板而且來建立告警的回報系統"},{"start":6216.373,"end":6243.088,"text":"來說明一下那針對這個部分我們會針對比較有土石有潛勢的區域那來設置這個所謂的水位計那來偵測監視器來做一個這個是野溪還有相關的河川的鐵路橋我們去比較有風險的地點來設置這些水位計那另外我們對於要進行疏浚整治的改善工作這個也要去做處理"},{"start":6244.268,"end":6270.097,"text":"我們應該優先從花東來做處理然後再做全國的一個盤點那這種應該要有全線的一個規劃的時間表嗎我們會回去再做全面的一個這都是我的要求來市長那裡補充說明報告委員這個案子其實部長非常重視大概花生之前我們剛談過供鐵路的全面盤點就是西極便坡的部分以上"},{"start":6270.797,"end":6294.697,"text":"所以這個案子您提到目前部長是6月23號6月23號開會以後決定要一個月內要求台北局就宜、花、東都要全面就潛勢區做盤點提出改善計畫那第二個您說的野溪整治要有水位計、要有橋腳的鞭撥、橋坡的監控第三個呢一流上來要有警示"},{"start":6295.538,"end":6296.379,"text":"水路事故海事事件每年150件以上"},{"start":6319.651,"end":6347.492,"text":"那失蹤加上死亡的人數每年大概也有大概30人到40人以上這樣的一個狀況這很嚴重的我們來看這一半以上都是漁船一半以上都是漁船那我們運安會的事故調查的統計水路的調查有215件那水路類的改善建立是235項那是我們水路事故的改善建立的結案率"},{"start":6348.536,"end":6371.252,"text":"只有74.8那就是表示大概還有四分之一仍然是沒有改善所以我在這邊有幾個具體的建議第一個我們水路的事故有一大部分是業者的安全管理不足或是設備不足這個必須要加強對業者的督導來說明一下"},{"start":6374.434,"end":6396.343,"text":"報告委員謝謝委員提醒針對業者的安全的督導部分我們大概有兩個部分來重點來做處理第一個是針對船舶的安全檢查的部分我們這個航行國際航線的船舶是由驗船中心這邊來進行檢驗這部分我們每年都會"},{"start":6397.083,"end":6419.183,"text":"去監督驗船中心要確實落實國際規範的要求另外針對國內航線的部分是由港港局的檢查同仁這邊來加強檢驗那除了船舶安全的這個四航性的這個加強之外船員的適格性特別是這個人員更換的部分這個也是我們這個檢討發現的這個重點"},{"start":6421.445,"end":6444.176,"text":"那另外對於航商本身公司的管理的部分這個依照傳播法的規定這個有所謂的NSM就是國籍航商的這個傳播安全管理的這個制度這一部分我們針對船員傳播的四行性、船員的事格性還有公司的管理面這三大部分來持續來簽約"},{"start":6444.796,"end":6470.852,"text":"對阿,相關的MSN的相關的這些安全管理系統必須要去落實跟督導因為必須要去加強這些相關的職業環境的安全加強這些安全的防務那另外針對院會給予的相關的這些水路類的改善建議必須要去落實阿你們現在節安率只有74.8還有1⁄4沒有改善這個要去加強督促阿另外我們針對郵輪的問題其實"},{"start":6473.894,"end":6491.108,"text":"在交通委員會那麼久,我們一開始要推展這個郵輪觀光,推展郵輪觀光我都是有從頭參與到尾那當初的亞洲郵輪論壇,也是我跟交通部要求在高雄來舉辦,就是希望高雄能夠成為亞洲的邁阿密"},{"start":6493.52,"end":6514.493,"text":"經過相關的這些旅運中心相關的這些規劃以及疫情的衝擊本來這個亞洲的郵輪路線是重要的新興路線成長非常快速那雖然受到疫情的衝擊現在逐漸的恢復但是逐漸恢復到基隆我們看到基隆他在2023年有142燒刺那2023年高雄有133燒刺那"},{"start":6523.024,"end":6545.149,"text":"2024年1到4月基隆港就有100艘次那同期高雄只有23艘次李先義董事長這樣對國融是不會交代人次的部分1到4月2024年基隆港有233,073人那高雄港只有36,333人"},{"start":6551.353,"end":6574.507,"text":"主要的差別就是去年我們銀聖世界它是有雙五港就是高雄跟香港之間一個禮拜有兩艘式這樣走那目前我們銀聖世界我們也跟他講他大概今年8月以後他會有五艘式來那整個扣掉那一個以外的話今年我們是目前到現在是應該是25艘次"},{"start":6577.748,"end":6580.931,"text":"高雄港作為郵輪的母港是一個最好的位置"},{"start":6592.398,"end":6595.921,"text":"臺南、高雄、屏東區域旅遊品牌跟套裝旅遊路線單單在高雄港周遭的亞洲新灣區以及旗津、鹽埕整個市區"},{"start":6615.399,"end":6644.513,"text":"又有大眾的這樣的一個輕軌啊捷運的系統都非常的便利有這麼好的環境這個次長必須要督促相關的觀光署以及航港局啊港務公司啊那要來提升啊這個我們都會嚴格的建築喔李協議董事長我必須再提醒你一次我要看到成績喔這麼好的條件那麼大家共同來努力應該要讓這個燒次跟旅客人次來增加"},{"start":6645.313,"end":6671.252,"text":"因為我們有很好的條件我不是說一個普通的港口一直要跟你要相關的這個郵輪的燒賜或觀光客進來這個都有相關條件的一個配合嘛高雄就是有這樣的條件我們相關的場域還有相關的配套其實我們都準備好趕快把明顯的當然要結合觀光署還有就是市政府把具體的政策跟明確的目標來向我們來做回報以上"},{"start":6674.035,"end":6697.93,"text":"謝謝李崑澤召委發言現在請徐富奎委員發言我們等一下在邱若驊委員發言完畢之後休息10分鐘請各黨團告知接下來未到的委員以便他們安排自審時間徐富奎委員發言"},{"start":6702.338,"end":6703.881,"text":"謝謝主席 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做管理要求．希望在一個月內提出上次公安事故危機．包括高鐵酒駕的事件．作回覆請問市長目前報告有出來了嗎?"},{"start":8765.339,"end":8775.533,"text":"報告委員,今天鐵道局好像沒有在那沒關係,就請市長事後書面給我們辦公室跟網紅會委員辦公室我們再追蹤一下這個事件"},{"start":8780.92,"end":8794.954,"text":"本期還是要肯定交通部及航港局以及包括港務公司對於智慧航港和智慧航安的一個努力那希望說在台灣目前來講在這樣子大家齊心協力之下"},{"start":8795.535,"end":8796.035,"text":"本席本席本席"},{"start":8816.533,"end":8828.466,"text":"同樣有關於航港局的相關業務當然在這裡還是肯定相關交通部跟港口公司跟航港局還是要肯定我就直接針對我的選區來就教"},{"start":8831.709,"end":8858.504,"text":"日月潭水域推動載客船舶電動化的一個過程來做一個請教那在請教這個之前我大致上跟大家講一下這個南投雖然不靠海但是其實同樣日月潭是大家最喜歡的一個觀光勝地包括它也是白鹿的故鄉還在這個美麗的日月潭其實大家許多的遊客都會藉由來這邊搭船來感受一下這個日月潭之美那也希望說"},{"start":8859.244,"end":8875.524,"text":"在疫情的期間以及包括在現在的觀光客人潮如果再引進在日月潭能夠再帶動我們地方日月潭的觀光發展以及南投的觀光產業那其實也是非常重要那同樣的在"},{"start":8876.425,"end":8902.398,"text":"之前日月潭的這個船舶其實一直也要持續的往這個電動船的方向來邁進以達到這個節能減碳那所以本席還是期待說不管是延續許淑娃縣長當初當立委期間以及現在當縣長的宜居南投甚至本席在目前交通委員會也希望日月潭可以成為這個電動化船舶載客以及觀光發展的一個示範區那本席想要直接就教"},{"start":8902.978,"end":8926.034,"text":"那在目前日月潭現有的138艘的船舶那98年開始推動這個柴油船、太灣城電動船那以及在101年4月10號核定的這個補助要點那目前來講柴油船、太灣城這個電動船的大約有多少艘已經完成以及這個比例是多少?"},{"start":8928.173,"end":8939.367,"text":"報言初步的資料電動載客船大概有18艘您剛提到日月潭水域我們的資料是139艘所以大概是13%"},{"start":8942.631,"end":8948.373,"text":"我這邊是138你們139那太煥龍我這邊是22你們是19但是沒關係因為中間的差異應該是在於臺電公司的公務船跟兩艘未營運的差異那目前來講的這個比例是十幾%這101年到現在113年還將近12年的努力那想接著問一下這個由"},{"start":8966.138,"end":8981.488,"text":"觀光發展基金每年編列預算預計補助到116年那在這個比例上可以改為電動船的比例大約可以提高到多少比例其實說它這個燒數還大約可以再讓多少的柴油船來汰換成電動船"},{"start":8983.022,"end":9012.405,"text":"報告委員 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謝謝委員您提到其實蠻重要一個就是補助額度不夠導致它誘因不足第二個是船的這個穩定性船頭有疑慮第三個岸電跟周邊的配套"},{"start":9149.395,"end":9172.546,"text":"那這個您提到116年以後我們還是會持續做因為這個方向應該不會變那我會請香港局這邊來來跟這些商家傳統也瞭解一下看看他們的意願然後看看多大的誘因可以讓他們轉過來那第三個當然他們如果對這個電動船信心不足那替代的船型有沒有能夠達到一樣的目標這幾點我們一起來處理"},{"start":9174.167,"end":9200.001,"text":"那最後再補充最後一個建議就是說因為像日夜潭水域的公共整修包括文屋、碼頭、興建等等他在疫情期間其實都探討的需要把周遭做一個因為營運電動船的一個設施來去做一個興建但是像現在許多地方都有一個就是就是緩和或者是停滯的狀況本期也希望交通部能夠跟港港局以及包括觀光署"},{"start":9200.441,"end":9228.504,"text":"共同探討：藉這個機會推展電動船的期間：也把周遭的港口措施做一併的一個升級是 謝謝委員周邊大概瑞潭風雲風管處 觀光署的他人行步道 自行車步道 跟岸邊的整理做得不錯所以這一塊大概大家都認同應該這肯定是管署那其他您講到電動船的配套或是永續能源船的配套我們再來處理好不好好 謝謝您好 謝謝好 謝謝委員"},{"start":9229.504,"end":9255.111,"text":"好 謝謝與委員發言完畢現在請黃建豪委員發言好 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是不是先調整到20個航班我坦白講 我不知道現在到底卡到什麼問題 香港局你們有沒有收到這個公文"},{"start":10219.622,"end":10239.571,"text":"那兩岸對開再多兩個航拍有人要做那這個部分到底遇到了什麼問題什麼時候準備回文可以跟我說一下是報告委員那這個部分原來他的函是說要回到疫情前那我們疫情前其實是一天有18個往返比現在多10個往返"},{"start":10240.091,"end":10255.614,"text":"那這個部分後來我們進一步去跟縣府了解其實他們的需求並沒有那麼大那另外他們建議跟航商也是有落差因為航商比較建議是在假日不是啦那我先問你啊"},{"start":10256.615,"end":10275.882,"text":"3月27號這個公文啦好不好那你一個快一個月你又沒回別人3月27號公文講得很清楚是從假日開始16個航班變成20個嘛那你又沒有回啊那當然第二個公文他恢復到疫情前你覺得太多這樣的好不好你們專業考量我覺得當這個航班真的不夠了這個政策是開放的"},{"start":10282.364,"end":10307.086,"text":"旅客需求 而且大部分都是我們臺灣自己的鄉親嘛讓他能夠行的方便透過小山東 這個能不能再多久能夠回答公文有報告委員 這部分我們會盡快也會要 縣政府這邊來確認他們的需求那另外 公文的部分我們已經有請他們已經拖了兩個月啦好 我們會加速 我們加速再半個月啦 給人家一個方向嘛 好不好好的好的 好 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航港局航港局業局長"},{"start":10831.465,"end":10860.044,"text":"委員好謝謝你好這個有關於臺中機場國內國際航線及改善原鄉的交通原鄉的交通特別要提出來那在2023這個臺中的國際機場的竣工不僅外貿焕然一新國際班航班也持續開拓臺中國際機場是中部地系連結世界的重要的紐帶發展備受關注那至於這個不但擴充了我們的私"},{"start":10860.404,"end":10861.525,"text":"臺中機場目前113年6月17日國內國際兩岸定期航線"},{"start":10876.104,"end":10890.596,"text":"國內既有定期航線包含花蓮、金門、澎湖、南竿國際就不要陳述了在另屆113年夏季航班又再規劃開闢三條航線成田、名古屋、高松"},{"start":10891.497,"end":10915.35,"text":"所以在過去二三十年前我們臺中有一個航班就是臺中到臺東的航班在二三十年我希望這個部分你們評估而且把這些報告來給我一份然後做一個評估因為現在要開拓的是花蓮花東的觀光路線所以有必要性的在臺中"},{"start":10916.691,"end":10918.012,"text":"請問部長,你同意認同我的看法嗎?"},{"start":10941.361,"end":10959.049,"text":"報告委員謝謝您提出來的見解花蓮台中之間目前還是有航班一週有三班另外您提到往台東的以前有現在沒有這一個航班所以你們評估一下這個觀光的價值有沒有"},{"start":10959.369,"end":10978.181,"text":"因為現在對於臺東花蓮的觀光目前來講當然因為地震的因素造成了臺東花蓮的觀光停擺了而且觀光客幾乎就幾乎這一兩成左右造成我們臺東觀光的這樣的一個生計生存絕對是不利的"},{"start":10978.661,"end":11005.607,"text":"所以如果開闢臺中到臺東的航班我相信除了便捷也讓我們的族人包含我們在西部走廊的觀光有便於他們對臺東花蓮的觀光以上那另外就是我針對花蓮觀光的這個補助的大小眼我特別本心特別要譴責這樣的一個態度臺東人流入二等的公民交通部"},{"start":11008.808,"end":11021.073,"text":"李部長日前表示,將自7月1日起更改為不分平假日補助一千塊。行政院卓榮泰在6月22日到花蓮"},{"start":11023.547,"end":11044.933,"text":"花蓮市視察時,當場指示交通部提前自6月24日實施,再鼓勵遊客踴躍前來花蓮觀光遊玩。第一,請問臺東原本7月1日的觀光補助是否比照花蓮一樣自6月24日實施的觀光補助?第二,"},{"start":11046.874,"end":11069.342,"text":"請問臺東一觀光署的補助規劃只有週一到週四這樣的一個補助一千塊為什麼不能比照花令一樣實施不分平假日補助一千塊這樣的一個大小委員對臺東情何以堪因為地震對我們的連帶的關係跟臺東絕對是有關係的所以這一點我想你們在"},{"start":11070.562,"end":11095.317,"text":"再給我一個報告重新調整因為花蓮地震重創對我們臺東花蓮信服力挺的花蓮當然我們也是相挺花蓮的這樣的一個地震但是到沒想到我們政府竟然連觀光補助都不能一致性對臺東人來講絕對不公平大家知道花蓮發生地震連帶損失最嚴重的"},{"start":11097.178,"end":11119.944,"text":"第二本席再次強烈抗議要求觀光署花蓮在交通、文化及資源的旅遊觀光的生命共同體絕不可以分割更不能大小眼今天部長及觀光署長一定要給台東一個合理的一個交代"},{"start":11120.584,"end":11142.736,"text":"是,委員我跟您報告,這次因為地震0403,主要是在臺七、臺八往臺北的方向,花蓮往臺北的方向,所以花蓮地區大概是往北的中段。那第二個您提到的補助的部分,臺東我們有跟縣政府溝通,那縣長的意思是7月剛好這段時間是臺東的這個熱氣球季,"},{"start":11145.697,"end":11159.842,"text":"現在假日是供不應求所以他認為假日不用在這時候點火他平常是希望能夠來協助所以這個是我們有跟縣府來討論過有節奏的來協助台東但是本縣認為應該是要有一次性好不好"},{"start":11160.622,"end":11179.675,"text":"不是週一到週四而已既然花裡有,臺東應該要有因為我們有生命的共同體對觀光的建設跟觀光的旅遊絕對是有關聯性絕對不能分割不要大小眼市長你能馬上回答嗎委員我想這個部分我們會請觀光署來評估這幾天不是評估,不用評估"},{"start":11184.218,"end":11209.281,"text":"因為上次我已經跟觀光署已經講了他也答應同步進行為什麼會有後面會有一個調整這樣的話我不解好不好麻煩你把這個報告給我好我來跟觀光署提醒喔好以上謝謝好謝謝黃仁委員發言完畢現在請鄭正前委員鄭正前委員鄭正前委員不在現在請陳冠廷委員發言"},{"start":11223.802,"end":11246.69,"text":"請次長請您次長委員長來看一下我們的PVT第1頁好大部分的公車如果行進到沒有公車專用的道路是不是常常會跟其他的汽機車一起行駛"},{"start":11248.578,"end":11258.187,"text":"公路是公用的沒有錯對那如果說在交通的最繁忙的時段的時候他是不是沒有辦法確實的靠站停車有這種狀況這種狀況的時候身障的朋友們怎麼樣順利上車"},{"start":11262.444,"end":11289.234,"text":"基本上公車還是要盡量靠站因為目前我們對公車站的要求一個當然盡量靠站第二個就是有些導入地地板公車來使用對殘障朋友的話身障朋友的話會比較便利一點我們現在除了身障朋友之外還有視障的部分現在我們的定位的定位專的區域有沒有全部都建置好全國"},{"start":11291.488,"end":11313.966,"text":"報言那個所謂無障礙尤其是這種社長朋友的這個點位的設置目前我記得內政部其實已經取消掉原來從頭到尾要引導的這個設置所以像我們有些航站或是Terminal本身他目前並沒有全部都要設這個大概有很多還是用人為來協助"},{"start":11315.147,"end":11338.62,"text":"鄧維埃協助我是認為說這種身障或者是視障的這種特別是導盲裝的部分因為我們的很多公車站他其實旁邊也沒有什麼有的時候你們特別有在設立說這個無障礙的後車區會有這個設置聲音的輔助可是他有的時候不斷聲音輔助沒有辦法正常的使用也沒有導盲裝"},{"start":11339.82,"end":11367.515,"text":"那這種狀況的話是不是會整體的影響到我國的這個市長的朋友所以是不是可以針對一些重點其實很多都市的人口聚集地他的這個設置是有絕對的必要性所以我是希望可以盤點除了六都之外還有其他的現在的邦安、嘉義市、基隆市等等這些人口聚集區一定要有這些相應的設備特別是我國的高齡化超高齡化的狀況是越來"},{"start":11369.376,"end":11370.937,"text":"交通部跟交通部現在所屬的各局"},{"start":11390.005,"end":11412.887,"text":"有一個無障礙溝通小組事實上我們會定期邀請相關的團體來提供建議那第二個您提到這個地方確實很多地方開始出現高齡者、失障者甚至相關的知障朋友需要輔助那這一塊我想我們路政當然是我會請他們通令全國各縣市"},{"start":11413.687,"end":11441.673,"text":"來看一下這個無障礙貨車空間市長稍微看一下您覺得這一種貨車空間對於不友善不是很有善尤其是這邊這個不友善不過我跟您報告內政部也看到這個問題所以您應該也了解他們最近已經通過一個一個條例有四年四百億的計畫去處理這類人行通道的這個改善跟各縣市政組的協助跟輔導"},{"start":11442.773,"end":11442.993,"text":"新聞基本法"},{"start":11472.042,"end":11472.262,"text":"委員會委員會委員會委員會"},{"start":11492.017,"end":11513.93,"text":"我們剛剛看下一頁就是在上一頁上一頁這邊這一個部分市長的乘客都非常無奈就是測試上報車號都聽不到所以全方位的一個標準至少你的這個指引要做出來它不會各縣市都不一樣有些表現得比較好像台北市有些"},{"start":11515.19,"end":11543.03,"text":"臺北市表現比較不好因為他直接聽不到嘛有些比較稍微好一些其他的縣市這個東西如果各吹各的調這個我覺得是不妥當標準的指引要有那如果竟然有這種404百億的相關的經費下去那標準的指引都要有不要這邊有這邊做A然後那邊做B然後每一個地方他執行的手勢都不同來我們再看下一頁那剛才我們提到自動寫版也是一個方式"},{"start":11544.172,"end":11549.808,"text":"我是希望說應該要強制設置無障礙的自動寫版那這個不是只僅僅只為了這個我們的"},{"start":11553.992,"end":11582.951,"text":"身體不自由的這個朋友那當然對於以後這個我們老年化高齡化之後我認為都是有大的一些相當相當的幫助我也跟藉此機會跟委員還有各位報告斜板的設置早期曾經有相關公司提出但是就是您講的這個斜板一出來的話靠到我們路遠的話有些時候沒有辦法直接無縫的銜接了所以後來才有導入地地板公車的使用"},{"start":11583.171,"end":11583.711,"text":"謝謝陳冠廷委員發言完畢現在請洪森漢委員發言"},{"start":11625.823,"end":11652.417,"text":"請林次長跟香港局 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這個定期契約到期以後他就不用再符合船員法22條對勞工的保護了"},{"start":11983.946,"end":12005.055,"text":"這是航港局自己發出來的公文明明白白把自己的船員法22條捅了一個大洞跟船公司說只要定期7月到期後你就不用遵守了局長問你你們自己把自己的船員法22條捅了這麼一個大洞出來到底是不是受到"},{"start":12006.377,"end":12028.159,"text":"傳公司的施壓不然怎麼會做出這麼離譜的解釋報告委員並沒有所謂施壓的狀況那這部分我想已經提醒我們同仁這個在法定解釋上要更為謹慎周延那各位報告我們目前會盡快的發函給這個個案的傳言來澄清就在這個依照傳法22條的規定"},{"start":12029.921,"end":12053.967,"text":"他的這個醫療的這個相關的權益不會受到這個定期雇用契約期限屆期的影響局長從一開始我請你們去檢查你們說沒有問題別人檢查就檢出一堆問題你跟我說那只是你們公文寫的寫法有問題到今天你們出了這個韓文用這個方式成為船公社報告我要說其實現在航港局在船員勞動權益上面幾乎是一攤爛帳啊"},{"start":12055.902,"end":12070.122,"text":"我這樣形容並不為過一攤爛帳一堆船員都來跟我們說他們遇到質災的問題遇到勞資爭議的時候都是求助無門完全看不到航港局積極的作為一直在推卸局長"},{"start":12074.045,"end":12083.29,"text":"報告委員這部分我想我們會再做深入這個整體的檢討局長我再呈現下面一張統計表給你看再給我一點點時間這統計表是107年到111年航港局來統計各年度船員職災的人數"},{"start":12091.313,"end":12108.098,"text":"每個年份有兩件、五件、七件、五件一百一十一年只有一件在這一百一十年上面連我剛剛說的那一個從六公尺高摔下來的船員在上面都沒有啊?航港局真的相信你自己統計的這個數字是真的嗎?局長你真的相信你們交出來的這個統計資料是真的嗎?"},{"start":12116.52,"end":12120.122,"text":"為什麼這些新聞上面明明都有的事件在上面都沒有你們有沒有掩蓋還是故意讓通報系統設計的對職災的船員不友善"},{"start":12130.786,"end":12147.353,"text":"我們會做這個通盤這個深入的檢討那如果有錯誤的資訊我們會做立即的盡快的更正局長我這邊在這邊跟你講的已經不是有個案我要跟次長講不是在講個案這整個保障船員勞動的系統根本就是一攤爛帳"},{"start":12151.872,"end":12173.79,"text":"部長我可不可以要求交通部至少要針對傳人權利的保障要有一個通盤的專案檢討的計畫是委員這個應該做我要求每個月來跟我們辦公室匯報一次到底這個改善案計畫進行到什麼地方每一個環節是這樣我跟你講這幾乎目前的對傳人的勞動權利保障幾乎是千瘡百孔的"},{"start":12175.084,"end":12198.941,"text":"包委員這樣齁那個您剛提的統計資料第二個統計的過程事件第三個到底有哪些地方應該要再扣核都是該通報沒通報這幾件然後最後要解釋還成為船公司的幫兇先請航空局整理起來再跟您報告我們要求每個月來跟我們匯報一次到底針對船員權益保障的通盤檢討計畫的進度可以嗎是"},{"start":12201.567,"end":12202.828,"text":"紅塵埃委員發言完畢,現在請鄭天才委員發言"},{"start":12240.559,"end":12263.917,"text":"主席、各位委員、有請次長。請次長。好,次長好。今天主題,智慧航安、智慧港灣、港口相關計畫辦理情形。是。今天特別要請次長回去,要針對"},{"start":12265.859,"end":12284.863,"text":"智慧台鐵智慧台鐵智慧台鐵好這個今天就談台鐵雖然台鐵今天不在那因為隧道這個很重要的這個最近又發生了這個河仁隧道南口土石流這個是在6月21號本席在這個時間發生之後"},{"start":12291.434,"end":12300.643,"text":"雖然已經知道了但是還是要搭火車還是要搭火車去花蓮所以我當天還是搭火車而我搭的那班車還是滿滿的"},{"start":12302.864,"end":12327.157,"text":"大家仍然很勇敢的繼續搭火車所以這個部分是我們必須要去加強、去精進相關的這些那因為這次的一個台鐵229車次新式強號因為撞到這個土石流造成這個司機手骨折"},{"start":12327.779,"end":12327.799,"text":"委員會長"},{"start":12334.595,"end":12361.41,"text":"這個河仁車站跟崇德車站之間所以這個部落是一個需要去加強的地方還好有這個隧道大家可以躲避包括這個之前的0403地震台八線也是因為有明隧道所以怎麼樣去加強這個設施的改善這個是不是要因為這個整個"},{"start":12364.693,"end":12383.905,"text":"零四零三地震之後這個移震的不斷前天還在市集所以移震不斷所以在怎麼樣去加強這個相關的這些偵測民隧道的一個需要性整體的去評估了是"},{"start":12386.567,"end":12391.292,"text":"昨天的媒體有報導19分鐘前在你們台鐵的螢幕上被認為已經看見了堵石流今天早上"},{"start":12404.626,"end":12423.586,"text":"9點多你們有澄清台鐵有澄清說事實上這個監視器並不是針對這方面的不管是不是本席不是要去不追究責任最主要是說怎麼去精進去強化"},{"start":12425.647,"end":12451.727,"text":"怎麼樣今天的主題就是智慧航安、智慧港口、智慧台鐵那應該要更要加入最起碼從北回鐵路開始因為公路也是你管的俗話改都沒有問題"},{"start":12453.939,"end":12462.841,"text":"然後蘇花安現在怎麼樣去加快在還沒有完成開始動工之前怎麼樣去加智慧"},{"start":12464.447,"end":12470.613,"text":"是,可以,跟委員報告,花東蘇花路段一直是交通部放很大的心力在上面,您大家也了解"},{"start":12485.988,"end":12510.751,"text":"所以一直在路段現在是部長要求宜蘭、花蓮、台東一直在路段土石流潛勢區都要先標示出來第二個鐵公路系統您剛剛講的明隧道可不可以有蓋明隧道的空間那它還沒蓋之前先做潛勢區域的偵測跟預警所以這些工作都是目前我們部長要求鐵公路單位要處理的"},{"start":12511.531,"end":12512.391,"text":"目前我們部長6月23號開過會﹖把花蓮水保、農委部的水保﹖"},{"start":12540.743,"end":12543.324,"text":"加強這個落實的告警的系統這個更加加快好不好謝謝謝謝"},{"start":12572.023,"end":12573.625,"text":"謝謝政天才委員：發言完畢"},{"start":12595.078,"end":12614.375,"text":"謝謝主席這個請交通部林次長請林次長還有航港局葉局長請葉局長港澳公司李董事長李董事長請問一號就是我們離岸風電大概在桃園以南跟彰化以北那當然這個部分"},{"start":12616.468,"end":12639.353,"text":"未來的離岸風電的機組會密集在這個航線大概我說的這個區域會有很多的離岸風機那未來怎麼樣跟你們這個系統這個平台怎麼樣能夠跟這些離岸風機能夠提高他的這個安全係數你們有沒有相關的規劃"},{"start":12642.05,"end":12667.97,"text":"報告委員目前臺中章化地區是目前風機的主要密閉區所以章化地段我們航港局這一次設了4座雷達站那是未來就是明年開始要做現在接控的區域是673平方公里那裝了這4座雷達站再加上VTS系統可以擴充到4000公里所以安全無虞"},{"start":12670.352,"end":12696.151,"text":"另外我想請教一下李董事長對於這個高雄港整個智慧港灣的推動目前主要的重點在哪裡我們就是配合我們的整個場域就是那個超船還有就是海氣廈你預算分配啊比如說你主要的港口高港、基港跟台中港"},{"start":12697.883,"end":12715.699,"text":"這個三個主要的港口那你在我特別關心這個高雄市的高雄港的這個狀況你能不能稍微簡述一下主要就是我們這個智慧港口就是從2017年就開始做那在2021年我們在就是在"},{"start":12717.941,"end":12741.133,"text":"主要就是操船系統、海氣箱還有相關的一些人流物流的一些門哨這些方面的做那剛開始的話就是以高雄港為主所以高雄港的話有成效以後我再就是擴及所有的港口"},{"start":12743.834,"end":12752.278,"text":"高雄港主要是做完以後就往別的港口做你這裡投入的預算大概多少錢?高雄港的部分從2017年開始"},{"start":12760.574,"end":12788.007,"text":"我希望變成一個安全安全有效率的港口有個安全然後這個有效率的這個國際有競爭力的港口很重要這個船舶出入安全最重要那你如果沒有安全系統輔助我想這個當然對這個進出港的這個安全性就會降低嘛所以這部分我請這個董事長帶來特別的努力好會後準備那個相關的資料"},{"start":12788.587,"end":12815.83,"text":"那相關的這個系統有沒有用在航空的部分呢?報告委員,航空已經有既有的系統我們航管自動化跟航管的引導目前夠不夠目前現在的功能建設目前還在提升因為全世界航管的部分是一直與時俱進那它每10年為一個循環會一直提升現在IQ有一個我們叫航管的提升計畫未來10年的"},{"start":12816.971,"end":12817.271,"text":"小港機場部份"},{"start":12842.279,"end":12852.643,"text":"香港機場本身就有相關的IRS助導航系統我們現在國內主要機場還是沒有辦法24小時營運桃園可以但是它的離峰時間大概從12點以後5月12點以後到下午4點起降班機很少"},{"start":12865.537,"end":12880.962,"text":"您說的是下午還是晚上?我當然是晚上了晚上沒有班機晚上那個高雄沒有班機我是說不是小港那個桃園桃園還是有一些大概一兩點起飛的那個是過境轉機那現在小港機場"},{"start":12882.628,"end":12902.123,"text":"未來第二期應該是新的擴建計畫新的擴建計畫當然要有新的能量新的服務能量要上來包括航班密集度航線密集度都要提升有沒有可能在未來擴建之後營運時間會拉長"},{"start":12904.638,"end":12925.151,"text":"跟委員報告投入金額蠻高的881分兩期但是要延長營業時間跟當地居民跟噪音管制有關所以目前是高雄有兩個里是反對延長因為每次我們甚至連外島要回來回去超過12點也都要先打個招呼才能"},{"start":12925.911,"end":12947.262,"text":"除非為了 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次長你覺得有任何機制可以預防這個問題嗎報告委員這個議題我不知道臺鐵有沒有做調查臺鐵他們的做法呢他們對外的說法就是這位員工調離員工作並由政風機務運安等單位會同競訴進行釐清所以要確認清楚一樣是個案嘛完全沒有通案的問題我們來往下看可是剛剛您說了運安會給的建議非常的重要審慎評估而且要列管在109年"},{"start":13082.913,"end":13108.208,"text":"新馬站重大鐵道事故當時運安會給交通部鐵道局的建議是這樣子明定機車駕駛室內安裝具備防撞及防火功能的聲音影像記錄器記錄器至少應該有連續錄音錄影兩個小時以內的能力記錄內容僅止用於事故調查公開跟發布還要有適當的限制範圍也就是說兼顧了隱私跟安全請問次長您認同嗎"},{"start":13110.389,"end":13110.549,"text":"報告委員"},{"start":13128.056,"end":13144.831,"text":"我們看到你們給那個鐵路局給的回應一二年十二月二十號相關的你們回覆運安會反對立場說有關於機車駕駛室內建制錄音影記錄器這個部分仍有爭論尤其臺鐵局的駕駛反彈聲浪盛大"},{"start":13145.692,"end":13173.364,"text":"甚至還有下面的說明我就不再一一念了請問次長你覺得這真的是這樣嗎這沒有直接相關嗎三年了要演繹那請問現在演繹的進度是什麼當我們的院長在替這件事情為國人道歉對花蓮鄉親道歉的時候我們到底還要等到什麼時候才可以看到相關的安全機制相關的影音記錄器跟相關的引用或者是相關的延伸到底我們還可以怎麼做我們現在看下一頁"},{"start":13174.244,"end":13191.468,"text":"甚至在這個相關回覆當中,你們自己也提到了加拿大針對駕駛室內建置錄音器的做法,美國都有相關做法了這是國外的經驗,那我們來看台灣的經驗,這是你們自己寫的喔在台灣的環狀線、基捷、淡海輕軌、高雄輕軌都已經在駕駛室內裝設影音記錄器三年了,次長你告訴我們該怎麼辦?"},{"start":13199.293,"end":13221.261,"text":"跟委員報告我們要讓院長一再道歉嗎還是要讓我們的總統道歉今天鐵道局沒來我所聽到的訊息是第一個車廂內的噪音如果很大裝這一類的儀器其實它能收錄到的這個效果並不是很好這是第一個那第二個是我們工會的同仁包含駕駛他們可能會認為"},{"start":13222.881,"end":13223.101,"text":"委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會"},{"start":13242.222,"end":13266.986,"text":"執政團隊對於這件事情我相信是在意的我相信我們兼顧駕駛員的隱私跟相關的權益跟乘客的安全這件事情絕對不會沒有橫平的地方我們辦公室積極的要求時間有限我們希望在三個月內研議兼具保障隱私跟最低度利用的做法召開會議進行溝通再次強調政府對於道路安全工作的態度請問次長您認同嗎報委應該的"},{"start":13269.867,"end":13273.83,"text":"有沒有機會在今年年底以前完成鐵路行車規則第37條還有68條的修正草案那我相信應該也不是次長您可以承諾的可是您可不可以表示一下您的態度跟看法"},{"start":13296.56,"end":13309.93,"text":"我認為對於行車安全有關的法規執行作為SOP都應該要調整那接下來最後公司化之後行車安全改善策略一個月內提供報告可以嗎"},{"start":13312.266,"end":13325.514,"text":"請台鐵公司來處理應該可以應該可以確定可以嗎可以吧我們會再追蹤好嗎可以好謝謝以上謝謝謝謝主席謝謝好謝謝陳培宇委員發言完畢現在請鍾嘉斌委員發言"},{"start":13335.373,"end":13345.248,"text":"報告主席．在場的委員先進．列系列政府計劃所長．官員．會長．工作夥伴．媒體記者．女士先生．有請林次長和臺港局．臺港公司李董事長好"},{"start":13348.36,"end":13366.8,"text":"市長好 董事長好其實這是我第三度應該李董事長很清楚我在談港區要設置氫能磚區建置基建工業剩餘熱能再利用一地減碳好 我們來先看一下荷蘭將打造全球最大的綠色氫氣廠他打算在路德丹港"},{"start":13367.501,"end":13396.699,"text":"用一個最大規模的綠色氫氣廠用離岸風電產生的電力產生氫氣再用原來的油氣管線銷往歐洲請問次長你大概有略略聽聞吧知道齁好我們來看一下他現況是怎樣現況這就是歐洲氫能樞紐的雄心壯志這裡面有負責生產的有進口的也有管道運輸的還有加氫站未來還有1000輛的氫能卡車運送氫能的像運油的油槽車一樣在安特惠普跟杜伊斯堡和路德丹之間行駛好我們現在看"},{"start":13397.199,"end":13423.578,"text":"那目前路太安的構想是這樣短期內他的綠氫產量不夠他用燃氫、碳補濁來產生氫氣長期來看他用他們的風光綠能發電來產生綠氫來產生電解水縱使這樣還是不夠往下看他這裡面還思考到縱使在荷蘭縱使在歐洲他還要怎麼樣進口用綠氫、綠氨的方式輸入義太安然後呢這個能源中心還要管線輸入請問"},{"start":13426.5,"end":13447.879,"text":"經濟部對我們國內我們本身的綠電能跟荷蘭比嗎?荷蘭的綠電情況可能不太了解了我跟你說其實台灣的風電潛力是遠高過於荷蘭往下看來所以我們再看一下日本的橫濱港它跟陸陸島港也是這樣的規劃日本其實沒太多綠電"},{"start":13448.76,"end":13467.603,"text":"但是他有限的綠電他用來怎麼樣來產生綠電跟氫能再往下看他的潔淨燃料因為日本大量的依賴燃料進口所以他一個潔淨燃料家族的專用碼頭而且免徵進港費用這樣的方式來取代他們國內或使用他們國內的液化天然氣甲烷和鞍"},{"start":13469.037,"end":13485.265,"text":"那這個看起來這是未來IMO他們船舶淨零的目標日本是不是值我們世界航運的牛兒?是嗎?所以他要用捷徑燃料來往下看所以是不是可以請次長開始積極的要求臺港公司用港區設置輕能專用區域包括碼頭生產儲存跟運用"},{"start":13489.687,"end":13517.328,"text":"我先請董事長跟您報告我想那個清冷的發展是世界潮流那整個港我們港公司在港口的那個是配合剛好你剛有談到就是濾清濾清這個就是離岸風電的定律來置清對置清那進口呢如果進口我們傳播要加潔淨能源進口的這些油槽他可能不是裝LNG了他可能是裝氨啦是"},{"start":13517.688,"end":13533.905,"text":"是 那這些你們的管線都準備好了嗎?所以我們在針對這個青龍的話目前有盤點我的臺北港有一個南碼頭地區是 那高雄呢?高雄的話就是我們洲際二級旁邊是一個那個"},{"start":13536.307,"end":13543.291,"text":"你這些珍貴的港區空間目前有一部分是用來組裝離岸風機的對不對那未來他們是不是有用來儲存氫能有準備給做氫能產製氫的一個工廠有沒有"},{"start":13556.059,"end":13572.576,"text":"我想李昂峰這個開發商他也針對氫能是這個趨勢他也跟我們一直在探討那所以我們在台中也有盤點那你說剛剛有到安的部分的話我們也就是跟台肥還有CIP還有那個各本哈根"},{"start":13577.401,"end":13594.576,"text":"對,好,所以我要跟次長說,今天又都是副首長來,要請經濟部,甚至跟網上的行政院高層,要強調,氫能這個趨勢,台灣要做好準備,連日本,連荷蘭,他們都有這樣的雄心壯志,就算是日本他是一個能源輸入國,他都想到了潔淨燃料,他都想到進口的綠安,呃,氫能,來,呃,"},{"start":13597.258,"end":13609.666,"text":"來提供他國內輕能的需求所以港區的空間可能所需要的油槽不只是台電公司去三接而已可能我們就有了港區到擴充這樣的接收能力是不是市長可以說明一下"},{"start":13610.424,"end":13633.096,"text":"跟委員報告確實因為IMO規定安、清跟LNG都是未來乾淨能源我們現在船公司我們全國船運力在全世界也是蠻高的第8名所以運力也蠻強所以基本上我所知道像玉米航運長榮甚至陽明都已經我上週問過你們部長已經都開始了"},{"start":13634.577,"end":13636.299,"text":"因為在我們港區附近會有很多工業區他可能需要就近使用氫能"},{"start":13660.52,"end":13661.461,"text":"目前這一個港區的話如果說是工業要轉成這個大概只有三層的那個所以港區的話剛好是高雄港那裡"},{"start":13684.514,"end":13690.759,"text":"請評估與港區設立親人專用區域﹑含專用碼頭及生產儲存運用的基礎建設的可行性。最後請評估港區結合鄰近工業區建置工業剩餘熱能再利用設施的可行性。"},{"start":13710.336,"end":13711.137,"text":"現在請翁曉琳委員發言有請次長"},{"start":13735.116,"end":13744.204,"text":"市長您好是這樣的因為本席最近有接到有民眾反映一件事情就是呢在"},{"start":13745.592,"end":13771.733,"text":"一個駭客的論壇裡面應該算是黑貌黑客一個犯罪論壇那他就公佈了一次大規模的資料洩露事件因為這個事情其實跟今天的報告也是有關係你們談這個智慧航安智慧港灣這個大家委員最關心的議題還是有關於各智慧外洩的事情那麼所以本席在這邊有特別提出這個近期發生的這個案子"},{"start":13772.313,"end":13786.551,"text":"就是在6月5號有一個黑貓黑客犯罪論壇公布了一次大規模的資料洩漏事件他涉及了臺灣旅館業者有8萬筆的地方相關資料都洩漏了那洩漏的數據"},{"start":13787.893,"end":13812.135,"text":"包括像時間﹑身份證字號﹑支付方式﹑性別﹑名字﹑入住退房日期﹑電子郵件﹑以及部分的地址那麼洩漏資料的來源甚至包括像是﹑雅谷遊艇度假村﹑阿里山賓館﹑臺中林酒店和別墅俱樂部等等這些知名的旅館業者而這些旅館的網站呢看起來都是由一個叫做2A多媒體創意團隊網頁公司所製作"},{"start":13815.017,"end":13828.299,"text":"因為這是涉及到有關於就是旅館業的各自外洩的問題那所以本席想要請教一下就目前交通部這裡對於旅館業者的各自的管理有哪些措施"},{"start":13830.305,"end":13855.789,"text":"報告委員,我們對監管的業者都有要求要提立類似資安保護計畫那第二個呢,個資法現在也修正了嘛原來委員規定是負責人跟公司罰20萬現在都已經提升到相當高的金額那第三個呢,是一旦有發生這樣的事件發生像這是觀光署,我們應該是相關的組要去做行政檢查是,你們有獲知這個訊息嗎?這個可能要問觀光署,我不曉得"},{"start":13860.319,"end":13871.283,"text":"好那因為我想這個案子其實蠻重要的因為他畢竟洩露8萬筆的地方相關資料而且從6月5號就開始在這個論壇上有伴送這個資料對那因此呢這個議題我希望就是交通部能夠關注那麼當然本席其實也有看了你們目前的有關的法規那主要是有一個叫做交通部指定觀光產業"},{"start":13885.749,"end":13888.431,"text":"主要是包含觀光旅館業、民宿業、觀光遊樂業等等,但是並沒有包含平台。"},{"start":13903.504,"end":13906.745,"text":"各位報告因為我們相關的監管單位是根據目的事業那平台的部分可能要看是不是"},{"start":13926.121,"end":13943.337,"text":"對 因為這個部分的話 看起來交通部觀光署是沒有follow到現在大家民間平常的訂房的習慣但是他們就算是在國外 會不會在國內也有一些分公司或者是說也應該要去思考是否要納管"},{"start":13944.558,"end":13969.427,"text":"現在臺灣平台的訂房網站非常多而且大部分也都是會要求訂戶就是透過訂房網去訂的有各自的一些問題那這些議題都蠻重要的是 包委員我請觀光署來瞭解看看它基本上應該都跟金流有關跟資訊流有關所以這個我請他們溯源去了解"},{"start":13970.127,"end":13992.301,"text":"對而且這個你們的剛剛講的那個各自的計畫及那個計畫辦法應該也要做滾動式的檢討修正那麼還有就是說在這個原來的所定的辦法裡面是要求旅宿業要保有消費者個人資料達8000筆以上他才需要去擬定那個相關的計畫那這個8000筆資料會不會這個門檻太低了應該是要"},{"start":13998.084,"end":14004.97,"text":"這擴大就是說讓可能已經開始經營以旅館業為作為經營事業的那他就應該要擬定相關的個資保護計畫尤其像我們剛剛講的前面的這8萬筆的資料都外洩說不定現在這些旅館業者都還不知道有這樣的一個狀況那麼如果說知道的話那後續的如何去保護消費者的措施"},{"start":14021.644,"end":14021.864,"text":"主席"},{"start":14051.684,"end":14078.612,"text":"是那另外呢我這邊也要請求就是交通部希望能夠將剛剛我們講的就是本席所說的這個在犯罪論壇上面販售個資的案子然後去進行檢查並且也能夠提供書面資料給我在你們檢查調查清楚之後是不是可以競速的將相關的報告給我請求您把資料給我們"},{"start":14079.312,"end":14080.074,"text":"現在請廖先祥委員發言"},{"start":14108.396,"end":14113.259,"text":"好 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