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謝謝你詢問 好吧"},{"start":2365.216,"end":2389.922,"text":"我想中州委首先你要尊重主席的職權主席也沒有請你上台這裡不是菜市場,這裡是個會議場所大家這個禮貌尤其你是司法法院司法法制委員會的州委我們交通委員會對你非常的尊重但是你要徵得主席的同意才上台發言好不好,謝謝好,請莊瑞雄委員發言兩分鐘時間"},{"start":2395.161,"end":2413.137,"text":"謝謝召委還有在場我們列席的委員確實剛剛鍾嘉賓召委所提出來的問題主席有必要來先做一個會議前召開的一個說明也就是說按照我們立法院這個整個組織法裡面的一個規定第13條的一個規定"},{"start":2415.239,"end":2415.279,"text":"願會交付"},{"start":2431.579,"end":2435.441,"text":"非由召集委員報請院會來決定召開這個聯席其實各委員會裡面倒也不能私自來召開這樣的一個聯席會所以主席有必要就這個程序的部分先來做說明我們在整個國會整個職權行使法裡面在審議的過程裡面大家都特別去強調對整個行政部門的一個監督這個民主進步黨對這個沒有意見但是也不要忘記"},{"start":2460.73,"end":2473.502,"text":"我們這次所通過的第46條之二如果案件在偵查當中那這個部分是涉及到整個權力分立的問題也請主席是不是也先闡明一下這個案子裡面"},{"start":2475.444,"end":2496.152,"text":"如果是針對實質的話有沒有這個案子有沒有設在這個法院在這個偵辦當中這個我想可能也必須要主席先來做說明尤其是第一點召開聯席我們不是英英我們司法法制我們今天也在開很有禮貌的來請教我們的陳學生召委謝謝謝謝莊委員我想現在是不是按照程序發言人有登記"},{"start":2505.879,"end":2510.041,"text":"趙偉,各位同仁大家好首先要請教趙偉經署密,依據這個"},{"start":2532.403,"end":2561.097,"text":"各委員會的組織法第13條要召開這相關的聯席會議第一必須要由院會決定第二必須由召委請院會來決定才能召開跟其他委員會相關的聯席會議第二我要請教我們有沒有院會交付第二個是有沒有相關的議事錄院會的議事錄要與院會的議事錄來作為一個最主要的準則"},{"start":2562.216,"end":2580.299,"text":"第二是有關於相關實質的問題．就是立法院職權行使法第46條之後．在裁判確定前相關的訴訟案件．他的審理或是偵查．他有關的處置或是卷證．"},{"start":2581.48,"end":2607.933,"text":"必須不能由立法院來行使調查權這也都是立法院新修訂的這個職權行使法第46條之後就有明文規定的第三他明顯的違反了一事不二議的原則今天交通委員會就有一個調閱小組然後今天又號稱要成立一個交通跟司法法制的這樣的一個"},{"start":2609.382,"end":2616.676,"text":"調查小組這違反了一事不二議的原則今天之前甲成立了一個調查小組"},{"start":2619.505,"end":2643.598,"text":"今天甲跟乙又要成立一個調查小組那明天是不是甲乙丙委員會又要成立一個調查小組這破壞了一次博弈以及意識穩定及相關秩序的原則這都是簡單的ABC請昭偉跟竹密來說明一下謝謝好 謝謝李昆哲昭偉的發言下一位請謝謝"},{"start":2647.762,"end":2672.837,"text":"我們稍微非常彬彬有禮下一位請林俊憲委員發言謝謝主席我們各位同仁今天我們突然間改變議程原本並沒有今天早上第一個議程就是所謂的交通司法聯席那看起來是要成立一個鏡電視的調查小組"},{"start":2675.697,"end":2699.605,"text":"如果要成立調查小組啦現在藍白多數啊這個大家啊竟然已經多數了那也通過了那個擴權法案在成立所謂的調查小組更應該要遵照程序來啦剛剛我們幾位委員提的啦我不知道陳傑昇召委吼我們今天開這個聯席會議啊為什麼要這麼突然間"},{"start":2705.307,"end":2717.562,"text":"有得到院會交付下來．或者是由召委是否有做任何的程序報請院會因為院會決定交付聯席會"},{"start":2720.578,"end":2748.728,"text":"不是院會加入聯席審查的．或者不是由召集委員報請院會決定召開聯席會議的委員會不得單獨禁制召開聯席會議這個在我們立法院的各委員會組織法第13條寫得很清楚藍白要成立調查小組來啊你也照程序來吧你為什麼急著今天一定就要來搞這個聯席會議呢"},{"start":2751.616,"end":2762.466,"text":"那聯席會議．立法院寫的．我們委員會的各委員會組織法都寫得很清楚啦那以後．隨便一個召委想到他就自己可以來召開聯席會議嗎所以這一點其實我們在開會以前啦．會議主席啊．就把我們都叫在一起的．陳雪生召委．應該要先向在場的同仁來說明"},{"start":2778.105,"end":2782.639,"text":"為什麼你今天召開聯席會議,你的根據是什麼?有院會加入下來嗎?"},{"start":2784.577,"end":2805.09,"text":"委員會有通過我們今天可以來召開這樣的聯席會議嗎?如果沒有的話那你開下去聯席會議的不符程序的不應該在這裡召開的那今天的結論當然就有非法的啦就不符規定的啊那我們開要做什麼?好不好?市長你要通過可以啊 還召程序來啊"},{"start":2811.344,"end":2825.835,"text":"你多數你還怕通過不了?對不對?表決你都會贏啊?有利啊!那你不照規矩來?這樣我對你有尊重嗎?好,尊重尊重好嗎?下一位請陳書宇委員歡迎時間兩分鐘氣氛好一點齁,不要太嚴肅好不好?"},{"start":2841.121,"end":2868.829,"text":"主席還有各位委員今天我們交通跟司法、法制召開這個聯席會議本席也覺得非常的納悶我們中華民國是一個法制的國家一切都是依法行政所有的公務機關就是依法行政尤其是我們立法院有立法院的職權行使法我們立法委員更應該要以身作則才對啊所以要請教一下主席還有我們的議事人員"},{"start":2871.03,"end":2878.447,"text":"今天就這個立法院的職權行使法明明就有規定聯席會議就是要院會來交付"},{"start":2879.315,"end":2879.675,"text":"好,謝謝,謝謝陳樹越委員"},{"start":2909.097,"end":2926.454,"text":"許智傑委員發言面帶笑容好不好不要罵這個啊謝謝主席,其實我是面帶笑容心理沉痛"},{"start":2928.649,"end":2956.568,"text":"我想這個會議剛才我們幾位委員都提過這很清楚這個就是一個不合程序不合法的會議那為什麼藍白要這麼著急的來訂這個這個時候要來通過這個會那我在想剛剛林俊憲委員也提過你們現在都已經多數了一介紹的程序來有那麼困難嗎"},{"start":2958.522,"end":2985.611,"text":"所以我是很具體的建議我們的陳雪生召委這一次的聯席會議因為不合程序不合法所以趕快就直接裁決停止吧謝謝好 謝謝謝謝自己委員下一位請徐委員徐副各位"},{"start":2995.138,"end":3023.173,"text":"主席、各位委員我想我們剛剛前面有幾位委員大家提到的自從這個我本席2月1號到立法院我想這個發生這些這個荒謬的事情也不是第一件甚至現在今天又增加了一件這個可能這個會讓全國這個引起這個很大的爭議的一個事件我想今天我們也是突然被通知說跟司法委員會這個聯席會剛剛幾位委員提到的"},{"start":3023.733,"end":3045.005,"text":"不只是破壞了這個各委員會組織法第13條的一個事項那根據我們立法院職權行使法第46條之二的部分我想也是公然的違反相關的一個規定所以請我們偉大的主席能夠做一個明確的一個指示不要讓我們交通委員會變成一個大笑話以上謝謝許副委員發言"},{"start":3054.298,"end":3076.862,"text":"不要說啦,沒時間啦,要說好,下一位請鍾嘉斌委員發言過來這誰?這誰?張瑞雄他寫這個我看不懂好,下一位請林志明委員發言誰看得懂?"},{"start":3080.542,"end":3105.211,"text":"各位委員好 大家好 召委也好我想今天召委召開今天的調查小組的成立這樣的一個會議我想今天是依照立法院職權行使法我們剛通過熱騰騰的立法院職權行使法來成立調查小組我想這是依照現行法律的一個規定"},{"start":3105.891,"end":3126.553,"text":"我們剛才聽到鍾嘉斌委員講說現在要釋憲了你幹嘛還要去召開這樣子一個調查小組我想這個說法根本不成立這是我們完全依照這個現在有效施行的法律來這個成立調查小組那我想民進黨不用害怕第二點我想我們今天這個"},{"start":3128.935,"end":3131.637,"text":"立法院委員會組織法第13條規範各委員會所依事項"},{"start":3146.607,"end":3176.087,"text":"有與其他委員會相關連責,除由院會決定交付聯席審查外,則由召集委員報警院會決定與其他委員會開聯席會議。目前只有法案或預算案經院會交付委員會後,召委認為需與其他委員會聯席時,才會依照上述程序進行改交由本會或與其他委員會聯席。而我們這次的職權行使法"},{"start":3178.629,"end":3192.422,"text":"並不是審查所謂的預算或法案,並沒有法條適用。修法前的調閱小組也沒有聯席委員會的案例,也沒有報請院會決定的前例。"},{"start":3196.446,"end":3208.419,"text":"本次修正通過的《立法院職權行使法》有關於設調查專案小組,也沒有疑似不在意的規定。因為《立法院職權行使法》第45條經委員會決議設調查專案小組與修正前或經委員會決議設"},{"start":3214.346,"end":3216.769,"text":"好,謝謝林志明委員的發言,下一位請何欣辰委員發言"},{"start":3243.381,"end":3260.313,"text":"謝謝偉大的主席我覺得我們立法委員我相信大家都非常有智慧那對於條文應該是完整的來看清楚剛剛大家在講462條的時候都在講第一段而已那第二段條文的第二段講得很清楚"},{"start":3264.397,"end":3282.166,"text":"裁判確定前之訴訟案件,就其偵查或審判所為之處置及其卷證,立法院不得行使調查權。尚未確定之訴願事件或其他依法應獨立行使的也是一樣。所以我覺得是6-2條大家要看清楚"},{"start":3288.029,"end":3311.929,"text":"這個要完整的來說清楚那本於這個權力分立本來在我們本委員會確實有成立這個調查小組那是在修法修這個立法委員職權行使法之前就已經成立的那我們尊重本委員會的決定那但是一切都還是要依法來進行以上"},{"start":3318.854,"end":3330.726,"text":"謝謝何靜淳委員的發言吳宗憲委員發言時間兩分鐘謝謝主席"},{"start":3338.169,"end":3367.231,"text":"這部分可能要麻煩其他的立委學長們條文的部分可能要看清楚一下因為不是說要去調閱偵查中的卷宗你不能把它狹隘只是侷限在說你今天調閱的資料是跟偵查卷宗有關本來就不會去調閱因為我們這次法律的修正就不包括那個部分所以不要再刻意帶風向說我們要去調偵查中的卷宗違反權利分立根本沒有那個事情"},{"start":3369.079,"end":3390.352,"text":"相關的資料在行政機關或者是民間企業都會有那我們調閱依法我們就不能調閱偵查中的捐贈資料所以從頭到尾這個都不是個議題所以千萬不要故意把風向帶到那邊說我們要侵害檢察官的那個職權嘛好不好好謝謝各位好謝謝吳中興委員我向各位委員報告"},{"start":3397.472,"end":3417.874,"text":"大家都說偉大的召委,我沒那麼偉大,我突然覺得有那麼偉大嗎?今天這個會,因為交通委員會歷來我們都很協調很溫和的,當然今天司法法制在樓上鬧得不可開交,我希望我們這邊很平和的順利的把工作完成"},{"start":3421.737,"end":3438.318,"text":"其實調查小組跟調閱小組,我們調閱小組大概在第二階段今天第二次的交通委員會,我們會做一個Ending那現在因為什麼?我們感覺到調閱小組功能不彰功能不彰?"},{"start":3439.773,"end":3465.219,"text":"根本都貼黑條都貼滿了嘛,那怎麼調?那調一個小組沒辦法,等一下國城委員也會上台抒發他的感言。那麼我覺得這個有調查小組成立的必要啦,我們需要因為法律的背景啊,非常非常的重要啦,所以成立這個小組。剛才"},{"start":3469.608,"end":3493.762,"text":"剛才哪一位委員?林思明委員大部分已經回答了大部分各位委員所針對的問題,我想我還是匯總一下好了。我跟各位委員報告,目前職權行使法並沒有不得已聯席會處理的規定,沒有這個規定。這一次提案不是法律案,也不是預算案。"},{"start":3495.81,"end":3511.561,"text":"立法院各委員會組織法第13條,各委員會所議事項,由與其他委員會相關聯者,除由院會決定交付委員會聯席審查者外,得由召集委員報請來開會。"},{"start":3519.386,"end":3544.664,"text":"目前僅有法案或預算案才交付,所以它這個不是所以修法前的調閱小組沒有聯席委員會的案例也沒有報請院會決定的前例我們之前成立的調閱小組也沒有這個前例第三點就是本次修正通過的立法院執行行使法第45條"},{"start":3546.448,"end":3569.082,"text":"或經委員會決議,得調閱小組、調查專案小組或是修正前或經委員會決議,得調閱專案小組請調查跟調閱只是這樣差別而已,剛才已經講過了所以目前職權行使法沒有不得聯席會議處理的規定"},{"start":3571.335,"end":3594.151,"text":"至於委員提到說調查、調閱一事不二議,這個問題我也回答了。另外吳宗憲委員也說明,在偵查中的文件跟資料不得調查、調閱。這個我們謹守法律的規定的分際。好不好?謝謝。以上做綜合的一個回答。那俊憲委員有意見嗎?有發言?有沒有?"},{"start":3598.059,"end":3618.59,"text":"主席對你剛才的說明有意見立法院各委員會的組織法的第13條我是覺得你自己扣到結事了並沒有說一定要預算案或者是法案才要報選院會交付下來召開聯席會議"},{"start":3622.202,"end":3629.631,"text":"在過去幾屆的立委都有類似的案件"},{"start":3631.653,"end":3658.844,"text":"基本上你要召開聯席會議的程序你就報請院會你自己在這裡解釋什麼成立調查小組不必請院會來交付這是你自己的解釋啦我感覺你自己把它擴大解釋了他也沒有說一定要限定什麼預算案啦什麼法案才需要報請院會但今天啦今天就是外交跟經濟聯席"},{"start":3662.231,"end":3688.712,"text":"今天外交跟經濟委員會也是聯席會議他們審的就是一個協定也就是說基本上你就是要尊重尊重其他的委員會那你要尊重院會因為院會有交付那你在排聯席會議的時候你才可以跟其他跟我們聯席的召委他就不必排在議程上他就是要安排他就知道有聯席他時間可以調整嘛"},{"start":3689.537,"end":3718.598,"text":"像今天司法委員會你臨時跟他擦一個聯席會那司法委員會的遭遇剛原來這個發言啊你會造成他排案的一個困擾所以按照我們職權行使法第13條來這個本來的精神就是聯席會議是要經過院會就是我們大會來同意的啦你也自己去解說啦那以後的遭遇權力都這麼大那隨隨便便都要來決定"},{"start":3721.153,"end":3740.701,"text":"徐志杰委員徐志杰,大家好我呼應一下郡縣委員剛提到的,你把那個條文看清楚就是非院會交付聯席審查"},{"start":3741.826,"end":3764.156,"text":"或由召集委員報請院會決定召開聯席會議你今天召委要聯席你至少要跟那個院會報備那你今天院會也要通知比如說除了我們交通委員會之外院會也要通知司法委員會那這樣子的聯席會議才合乎這個13條各委員會組織法的規定"},{"start":3768.26,"end":3786.806,"text":"今天變成說我們交通委員會的召委就自己決定然後就找司法的來我覺得這個部分在法上是不合的所以今天這個會議我是覺得沒好程序就不要開了"},{"start":3789.611,"end":3807.788,"text":"其實我在覺得以前王金平院長的時代,他們說我們民進黨比較少人,沒有錯但是很多程序,我們就是一項一項都照不來,譬如說輸贏一回輸,譬如說輸也沒關係但是你就是程序一定要合法,道理一定要給大家來說明、來討論"},{"start":3810.427,"end":3835.273,"text":"我覺得這一切真的是我覺得為什麼說我面帶微笑、內心沉痛就是這樣現在都一定要做得趕快、做得不合程序就要一直來推這個法所以我是真的建議那個召委這一次的會議今天就宣布停止不要再開了啦聯席的會議好 謝謝知己委員還沒有發言我一定回答好 國城委員好好 到台上發言也可以"},{"start":3845.115,"end":3858.372,"text":"謝主席我雖然是差交啊但是在交通委員會我已經參加過三次的聯席會議可是我這查一查"},{"start":3859.687,"end":3877.312,"text":"他們也沒有宴會交付啊就是召集人、互相的這些尊重但是聯席會議其目的其目的只是大家集思廣益只要超過半數當然就可以去做"},{"start":3878.272,"end":3898.4,"text":"至於牽涉到法令所規定13條的這些有關規定當然最後委員會聯席會決定以後他去報因為這個也是過去傳統是這樣做這第一個第二個我們同仁也一直在講"},{"start":3899.88,"end":3928.699,"text":"現在在釋憲各位我不是法律的但是最起碼的話總統公布以後隔天就生效的東西那現在釋憲是歸釋憲但是我為什麼不能去做所以這些啊我在想我們各位同仁但是法條如何去調我贊成大家及時廣益去推但是我還是希望今天的會議是有效的"},{"start":3931.893,"end":3958.33,"text":"好 謝謝李崑禎委員好 謝謝 謝謝昭偉簡短好不好好 很簡短13條我再解釋給你聽好 那第一個這林國成、昭偉召開相關的聯席會議不是為了集思廣益如果要集思廣益把8個委員會啊大家來組成一個天龍八部的調查小組啊這樣更能集思廣益"},{"start":3960.238,"end":3987.292,"text":"這個聯席會議的法源基礎是什麼是程序委員會的組織規程第5條第二項就是要有相同性質的這樣的一個議案然後才召開相關的聯席會議這是法源的根據然後相關的程序就是必須遵照各委員會組織法第13條必須要有兩大要件第一個就是院會交付"},{"start":3987.992,"end":4014.622,"text":"第二就是召委請院會來交付這個都要有院會的意思路來作為一個依據啦都是要院會交付啊但是這個為什麼大家都聽不懂呢以上之前你還要講啊,又講第13條嗎我再補充一下因為剛剛林國進委員也提到說那個召委互相尊重啊司法委員的召委有受到我們的尊重嗎"},{"start":4017.506,"end":4021.467,"text":"主席委員我對你多客氣啊,你看看我跟你講啊,剛才我們國政委員上台啊,他都快哭了"},{"start":4043.049,"end":4066.906,"text":"你看臉色都難看喉嚨都喊啞啦你知道嗎喉嚨喊啞啦不是集思廣益是一籌莫展四個字根本看不到東西也調閱不到東西NCC這個單位有那麼困難嗎好啦,發言停止現在輪到我了第13條我唸給各位聽"},{"start":4069.144,"end":4092.471,"text":"各委員會所異議事項,由與其他委員會相關連責除由願會決定交付聯席審查者外得由召集委員報請願會決定之與其他相關委員會開聯席會議"},{"start":4096.98,"end":4124.73,"text":"那前面的調閱小組啊前面調閱小組也沒有啊跟這個一樣啦準時規定辦理嘛是不是那這個調查小組為什麼又有不同呢所以喔基於法無禁止就是可以嘛法令沒有禁止啊法無禁止就是可以啊法無授權叫禁止對不對所以我們大家"},{"start":4126.247,"end":4143.253,"text":"國民黨團、民進黨團、民眾黨團、公說公有理,都有講他的道理。蘇委員你有意見?我想請問一下主席,你剛有唸了第13條,那後半段得由召集委員報請院會決定,那請問我們有報請院會決定嗎?沒有,我跟你講"},{"start":4153.449,"end":4177.385,"text":"這裡面報請院會決定是什麼案?是法律案?是預算案?是預算案?這裡面沒有寫,這裡面...我們現在...何委員你坐下來,不要動怒齁不要動怒齁因為前面的調閱小組"},{"start":4179.116,"end":4196.981,"text":"也是這樣啊,就差一個字,調查而已嘛,是不是?我們只是聯席希望什麼?調閱小組是我們交通委員會內自己成立的你當然不必開聯席會議啊好啦,各位我想都發言完畢了,我也解釋給你們聽了你扯到調閱小組那你就扯清楚啊"},{"start":4198.418,"end":4220.895,"text":"你調閱小組是我們交通委員會內設立的調閱小組那你當然沒有開放機會因為法無明文規定說不行嘛是不是你法律上所規定只是針對法律的部分跟預算案的部分嘛沒有嘛沒有就是可以啊沒有就是可以嘛議事人員說明啊議事人員說明什麼我說明還不夠還要議事人員說明"},{"start":4225.151,"end":4230.006,"text":"來來來那繼續我們請主命令說明一下不要啦不要啦主命令不要說明"},{"start":4232.421,"end":4238.824,"text":"提案說明好了啦再扯下去扯到民國哪一年啦因為他那個是得嘛如果你改成因的話才是剛剛各位說的那個做法"},{"start":4260.655,"end":4287.377,"text":"阿這邊是德欸我意思是說如果我們把德改成因那個字的話就是剛剛各位的說法阿德就德與不德囉對啊就是說你第13條的法律規定是德那我們如果說今天這個德是因這個字的話那就是剛剛各位學長們所說的那個模式嘛那因為他的條文規定是德所以大家不能把它解釋成因阿就是這個法條上面解釋是不對的阿"},{"start":4288.037,"end":4312.319,"text":"最近你們功能案件都沒有涉及到,得與不得啊主席,他那個得是外,外是裡面,其他的外面的都沒有了他得與不得啊他外面的得是只有這一個得,後面的條件是要具備的,而不是不解釋得後面的東西啊你那個因是,所以這個得是如果有的話,後面這些還是要報請院會決定謝謝"},{"start":4314.946,"end":4342.661,"text":"我想大家意見都充分討論了嘛是不是意思都很明白了嘛藍的也好,綠的也好,民眾也好,大家意思都已經完全的表達了我們都可以尊重了齁我非常感謝啦,你們大家都給我面子喔這樣的氣氛啊,人家說真的在其他委員會也不容易出現啦齁什麼東西啊我最近眼睛不太好啊,你們拿近一點那個來"},{"start":4352.355,"end":4372.973,"text":"好,我們首先討論成立鏡電視專案小組的事宜目前由魯明哲委員等8人提案請魯明哲委員說明提案要職魯明哲委員明哲說明提案要職"},{"start":4375.919,"end":4395.114,"text":"好 謝謝主席因為剛剛也經過很多程序發言人討論坦白講我現在也是面帶微笑心裡也是很苦因為進去看了我們調閱小組現在提供的一些資訊甚至是有非常多五本裡面有三本是已經公開的資料其中我們交通委員會"},{"start":4396.255,"end":4416.2,"text":"給我們的報告他也列為一本所以實在是新的我們這個職權行使法修法現在公告之後所以我們藉這個機會提出由交通委員會跟跟我們司法委員會聯席的鏡電視深色及後續爭議調查小組的這個提案"},{"start":4417.18,"end":4441.023,"text":"主要是有介於媒體不斷的報導其實某種程度也是希望幫政府的高層來釐清這個整個一個到底移民的過程包括府院高層不斷的有新聞的傳聞是不是有施壓NCC然後是不是在審議的過程中為什麼兩年到了按照審議應該有個結果準還是薄結果他"},{"start":4442.044,"end":4442.304,"text":"委員會主席"},{"start":4458.556,"end":4478.301,"text":"在執行鏡電視深色審查幻照及營運階段違反付款的等等事項決策過程中﹐沿著遭受到政府不當的介入﹐依據立法院職權行使法第8章調查權的行使﹐在法律授權建請作成決議﹐"},{"start":4480.721,"end":4504.47,"text":"針對於NCC國家通訊傳播委員會近年審查鏡電視深射、審照及換照過程外力介入的情況,附加條款有無涉及不法,原成立鏡電視深射及後續爭議調查專案小組,要求有關機關就特定一案涉及事項,提供相關"},{"start":4505.47,"end":4507.512,"text":"好,好,謝謝魯明哲委員的發言好,現在請議事委員宣讀"},{"start":4529.035,"end":4550.564,"text":"為釐清國家通訊傳播委員會之行,鏡電視、新聞台、深社、省照、換照及營運等相關監理四項決策過程有無遭受政府,不但介入原成立鏡電視、深社及後續爭議調查專案小組,要求有關機關就特定議案涉及四項提供相關"},{"start":4551.799,"end":4575.413,"text":"調查資料落實國會監督以保障新聞台的深設及經營不受政府的不當介入,還給媒體第四選獨立運作的空間。提案委員、盧明哲等宣布完畢。好,針對本案請問各位委員有沒有意見?沒有意見我們照案通過。好,請國昌兄發言。"},{"start":4578.23,"end":4604.655,"text":"不好意思我剛才先請教一下我們現在在討論的是不是那個林委員跟林委員他們所共同提案的暗油對啊是嗎對啊對啊那我是不是可以建議第一個事情是說成立這樣的一個調查專案小組我個人是支持的那但是我會建議我們在暗油的部分在第二段的1、2、3、4、5第5行"},{"start":4606.855,"end":4619.811,"text":"後面有一個附加條件我建議是不是把附加條件著作文字修正把它修正成許可處分之付款"},{"start":4622.133,"end":4643.512,"text":"因為付款的這個字比較是法律上面的專業用語這樣我們指涉的對象會比較清楚一點所以我是不是可以建請盧委員跟其他提案的委員可以同意做這個人質的修正也就是把附加條件這四個字把它改成為許可處分之付款好 第二段嘛 第二段12345"},{"start":4646.209,"end":4663.494,"text":"後面不是有附加條件四個字嗎?改為許可處分之付款各位同意嗎?同意有沒有意見?沒有好沒有意見我們去修正通過好謝謝我們國常委員接下來討論鏡電視調查專案小組運作要點草案好目前是"},{"start":4674.389,"end":4681.137,"text":"運作要點草案目前有魯明哲等8人的版本請魯明哲委員說明一下"},{"start":4688.809,"end":4714.061,"text":"針對於我們交通委員會跟司法及法制委員會聯席成立的我們調查小組當然我們名稱是不是就定義成鏡電視、深社及後續弊案少一個爭議弊案、爭議調查小組運作要點草案其中有1234567總共"},{"start":4717.705,"end":4719.586,"text":"請我們這個聯席小組大家來討論,訂定內容是否恰當。以上。"},{"start":4744.16,"end":4747.383,"text":"訓讀．立法院交通委員會、司法及法制委員會聯席會．鏡電視深設及後續"},{"start":4754.495,"end":4771.539,"text":"爭議、調查專案小組運作要點草案。第一點,立法院交通委員會、司法及法制委員會依《立法院職權行使法》第8章調查權之行事,及立法院第11屆第1會期交通委員會、司法及法制委員會第一次聯席會議決議,成立鏡電視深設及後續議案爭議。"},{"start":4776.601,"end":4781.485,"text":"以調查專案小組,以下簡稱本小組。2."},{"start":4781.485,"end":4787.09,"text":"本小組運作除有關法令令或規定外,依本要點行之。3."},{"start":4787.09,"end":4792.835,"text":"本小組由交通委員、司法及法制委員會全體委員組成之。4."},{"start":4792.835,"end":4796.218,"text":"本小組自召集人亦人由參加本小組成員複選。"},{"start":4797.359,"end":4819.274,"text":"負責處理小組事務並代表本小組對外發言。5.本小組會議需有委員身份之一出席,方得開會。其決議已出席委員過半數,同意行之,但在場出席委員不足三人者,不得一決必要時得以命令會議方式行之。6.本小組會議有關聯署或附屬人數準用本。"},{"start":4820.114,"end":4841.376,"text":"本院各委員會會議之規定第七點本小組運作期間自民國113年7月3日至113年12月31日根據本小組決議得延長之資料查閱時間為每週一至週五上午9時至下午5時。第八點本小組成員行使調查職權時應親自為之"},{"start":4843.479,"end":4861.057,"text":"並署名與查閱登記部查閱人員赴保密義務對機密文件不得抄錄、攝影、影印、送讀錄、引貨為其他複製行為,亦不得將文件攜離查閱場所或洩漏資,前項機密文件如被調查機關拒絕提供時,"},{"start":4863.62,"end":4884.517,"text":"該機關應以書面、4名機密之種類及原因並於3個工作天內送交本小組存查。第9點本小組對外新聞得以聯席會名義為之。本小組成員未經決議不得以本小組名義對外發言。第10點本小組調查文件之對象為國家通訊、傳播委員會及相關部會。"},{"start":4885.558,"end":4911.509,"text":"但經本小組決議亦得增加調查對象本小組已調查自文件應經三人以上提案並經本小組決議通過調取之調查文件以復本為原則。第11點本小組會議召開時得邀請被調查文件自機關首長率同有關人員列席說明受邀請者非有正當理由不得拒絕出席及說明。第12點本小組應"},{"start":4913.761,"end":4940.928,"text":"調查文件需要得付相關單位查訪並得詢問與本案相關之人士或諮詢專家學者。本項會議召開及調查文件時的聘請專家學者可以通調查及針對調查內容表示意見。前項專家學者之人選以二人為縣由召集人提名,群體本小組成員表決之第13點被調查對象在調查基金應指派專人將調查文件。"},{"start":4942.728,"end":4968.442,"text":"宋達指定場所以供查閱並由本聯席會派員管理及負保管責任。第14點為行使調查職權必要時經本小組依職權行使法第59條資二一決舉行聽證會。第15點本小組提出調查報告及處理意見應經本聯席會決議調查報告書及處理意見為提出前工作人員、專業人員、保管人員或查閱人員"},{"start":4969.302,"end":4996.408,"text":"負有保密之義務．不得對文件內容或處理情形予以揭露涉及依法令應命令事項者應以保密並以命令會議處理之第16點本小組所需公眾人員由本聯席會職員擔任必要時的依立法院職權行使法第19條規定請求院長指派專業人員協助第17點本運作要點由本聯席會通過後施行修正時亦同宣完畢"},{"start":4999.96,"end":5027.752,"text":"好,委員會報告,剛才鏡電視深設及後續調查專案小組提案魯明哲委員委手提案第二段的1234第5行第5行裡面有第6行,123456原成立哪裡原成立?"},{"start":5029.35,"end":5049.202,"text":"原成立鏡電視深色及後續弊案加兩個弊案弊案、爭議、調查加兩個字,弊案兩個字各位有沒有意見?沒意見我們就修正通過修正通過翁委員是"},{"start":5053.531,"end":5054.451,"text":"請問各位委員對運作要點有沒有意見?名稱齁?"},{"start":5082.403,"end":5088.429,"text":"評審還有個人的規定有沒有意見?因為我建議我們這次成立的調查專案小組還是在裡面運作的要點裡面要多寫一個"},{"start":5103.359,"end":5107.08,"text":"提案的第二段的那個說明其中一部分把它加上去就是"},{"start":5127.566,"end":5154.71,"text":"成立這調查小組,然後針對國家通訊傳播委員會近年審查鏡電視深色審照及換照過程、外列接觸狀況等等由部法設立的情況然後進行調查,那並依此檢討衛星廣播電視法及國家通訊傳播委員會組織法等相關規定那我認為說,如果我們能夠加上這樣的一段成立調查小組的目的"},{"start":5155.39,"end":5155.63,"text":"請國常委員發言"},{"start":5188.242,"end":5212.813,"text":"針對這個運作要點提案的第13條不好意思是第14條第14條現在的規定是為行使調查職權必要時經本小組依據依職權行使法第59條之二議決舉行聽證會那我建議的文字是必要時本小組依"},{"start":5214.957,"end":5238.962,"text":"職權行使法可能要加上立法院三個字立法院職權行使法第59條之2我建議議決改成規定我兩點解釋第一個是我們有立法院職權行使法最好是寫法案的全文"},{"start":5240.151,"end":5268.109,"text":"那第二個部分齁第59條之二它裡面針對如果要召開聽證會的話是必須要經過院會決議的那所以我們把議權那兩個字把它改成規定這樣我們就讓這個運作小組完全的回到立法院職權行使法的規定來進行好好好謝謝謝謝國當委員那就第14條我念一遍為行使調查職權必要時"},{"start":5269.588,"end":5275.631,"text":"本小組依立法院職權行使法第59條之二規定舉行聽證會。"},{"start":5300.015,"end":5316.641,"text":"好,委員會報告,現在是不是開始推舉召集人?調查小組召集人?請舉手推舉好嗎?好,魯明哲委員提吳宗憲委員"},{"start":5319.023,"end":5340.5,"text":"謝榮健委員推舉黃國昌委員還有沒有?還有?還有沒有?好總召你協商一下嘛,總召他們都很謙讓"},{"start":5348.902,"end":5374.839,"text":"好,我們推舉吳宗憲委員為召集人的請舉手一二三四五好,那我們全數推舉吳宗憲委員擔任召委謝謝國參委員簽的好,我們掌聲通過好不好"},{"start":5381.507,"end":5383.868,"text":"中間委員就你了,謝謝請坐"},{"start":5417.523,"end":5428.785,"text":"是向主席還有各位委員宣讀我剛剛增加的文字那我就把第一點我就從頭先念到尾然後再講我增加還是我直接講增加的就好了好"},{"start":5429.878,"end":5446.563,"text":"立法院交通委員會、司法及法制委員會、依立法院職權行使法第8章調查權至行使及立法院第11屆第1會期交通委員會、司法及法制委員會第1次聯席會議決議成立鏡電視深設及後續爭議調查專案小組,括號以下簡稱本小組,要求"},{"start":5455.339,"end":5466.292,"text":"通傳會等有關機關就本案涉及事項提供相關資料配合調查詢問等並依此檢討國家通訊傳播委員會組織法及衛星廣播電視法相關規定"},{"start":5475.989,"end":5476.83,"text":"好了沒有?來來來謝謝"},{"start":5506.626,"end":5534.233,"text":"我剛剛的宣讀就是從這邊開始,就要求通常會等有關機關,然後這邊...這加進去就好了嗎?那你就說鏡電視深涉及後續弊案爭議調查小組運作要點,修正通通。好,各位對鏡電視深涉及後續弊案爭議調查專案小組運作要點,有沒有意見?"},{"start":5535.461,"end":5561.987,"text":"好 國產委員剛剛那個歐委員他增加的那些文字我都同意那我只是提醒一下因為我剛剛聽歐委員講他增加那個文字是寫通常會那因為要符合體力我們就把它改成把它改成完整的名稱修正一下好 各位沒意見就修正通過"},{"start":5565.963,"end":5586.729,"text":"針對本次會議做以下的決議一、成立立法院交通、司法及法制委員會、鏡電視、深社及後續弊案爭議調查專案小組並通過小組運作要點二、推舉吳宗憲為小組召集委員吳宗憲委員為小組召集委員"},{"start":5596.33,"end":5616.344,"text":"3.本次會議決議含之通常會4.如本次聯席會議,為最後一次議事錄授權主席核定後確定好,本次議程處理完畢,散會"},{"start":5625.254,"end":5625.815,"text":"法定人數不足"},{"start":5654.989,"end":5656.43,"text":"法定人數不足"},{"start":5702.979,"end":5710.243,"text":"法定人數不足"},{"start":5727.811,"end":5728.212,"text":"委員會主席"},{"start":5774.88,"end":5779.963,"text":"法定人數不足"},{"start":5789.633,"end":5801.457,"text":"法定人數不足"},{"start":5822.11,"end":5822.892,"text":"法定人數不足"},{"start":5835.332,"end":5836.813,"text":"立法院主席"},{"start":5861.729,"end":5862.73,"text":"立法院主席"},{"start":5880.767,"end":5881.628,"text":"法定人數不足"},{"start":5909.489,"end":5909.729,"text":"委員會主席"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}