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«鐵路法第五十七條條文修正草案案案件事宜（一）委員陳俊宇等24人擬具"},{"start":1348.157,"end":1349.237,"text":"二、審查（一）委員陳俊宇等24人擬具〈鐵路法第四十條條文修正草案案〉案。"},{"start":1376.408,"end":1377.35,"text":"三﹑四﹑五﹑六﹑五﹑五﹑五﹑五﹑五﹑"},{"start":1389.514,"end":1412.827,"text":"三、回文都是交差了事也沒有講他調什麼資料所以在這個所有資料我也會移給我們調查小組去做參考那在這裡最後我還特別提案也就是我們調查小組已以成立所以我要謝謝我們委員會授權"},{"start":1416.369,"end":1438.326,"text":"讓我們調閱小組從今天開始就截止運作那再一次跟各位委員抱歉也跟各位委員謝謝所以在這裡我會把有關資料他們提供的資料我會移給調查小組他們繼續來做章稿以上跟各位做報告謝謝好謝謝林國哲委員"},{"start":1449.295,"end":1474.737,"text":"林國昇委員辛苦了,我知道你一籌莫展了,大家都很憤慨,謝謝。請問各位委員是不是照剛才林國昇,林昭吉人,國昇委員的意見?他的意見是?他的意見是鏡電視,等一下吧?"},{"start":1477.506,"end":1483.817,"text":"立法院交通委員會《鏡電視申設及後續爭議調閱專案小組》即日起停止運作。"},{"start":1501.16,"end":1520.484,"text":"謝謝昭緯各位同仁大家好首先請林國成昭緯要保重身體的健康第二針對我們的調閱小組要終止運作那其實這個調閱小組成立之後也延長過一次經過兩個月之後"},{"start":1523.025,"end":1545.342,"text":"現在要終止運作但是我要請教一下我們有沒有所謂的報告或者是相關的處理的意見書現在調查要終止運作之後接下來又成立了一個跟司法相關的聯席的這樣的一個會議在一開始我也提醒各位"},{"start":1547.185,"end":1574.86,"text":"相關的這樣的一個聯席會議按照程序委員會的組織規程第五條第二項它必須是有相同性質的這樣的一個會議或者是議案才能夠來進行相關的聯席會議第二程序上是必須要經由院會交付如果院會沒有交付才有召委得"},{"start":1576.882,"end":1590.079,"text":"請院會來決定是否要交付給我們的委員會來進行相關的聯席會議。第一個也不相同性質第二個院會也沒交付然後召委也沒有請院會來交付"},{"start":1592.722,"end":1594.222,"text":"第二案僅進行詢答第二案僅進行詢答"},{"start":1621.201,"end":1621.621,"text":"好了,謝謝我們棍澤昭偉。"},{"start":1650.287,"end":1675.456,"text":"你一籌莫展,我沒有一籌莫展。剛才我跟昆哲兄跟你報告,得與不得嘛。因為這是個提案,不是法律案。前面那個院會沒有交付的時候,才有後面的。我知道,它不是法律案。要交給這個院會來做決定。它不是法律案,它不是預算案,它是提案。我們今天成立的也不是調查委員會,我們是調查小組。如果是調查委員會的話。但是你這個。"},{"start":1679.071,"end":1705.057,"text":"陳俊宇委員會的組織贊成第五條第二項,就是他的聯席會議的法源基金嘛。你要有相同性質嘛。你今天這樣的一個聯席會議,你接下來是不是還要成立三個委員會的聯席、四個委員會的聯席、五個委員會的聯席,沒完沒了。任何議事處理都必須按照議事規則基本的ABC,如果都沒有預設的話,這樣怎麼立法院的聯席?"},{"start":1705.057,"end":1706.698,"text":"不只啦,我們ABCD了。"},{"start":1707.813,"end":1736.517,"text":"我知道我知道我知道,昆山教委因為今天早上我們各黨各黨都已經經過充分討論了嘛,是不是?最後我們也做成這樣一個決定,但你有你的看法,但其他黨派也有他的看法。黑色就是黑色,白色就是白色,沒有說什麼你有你的看法,你說是黑色。沒有啊,黑色就黑色,我講白色就白色啊,是不是?就得與不得嘛,所以你認為你的看法是什麼顏色?好不好?請息怒慢走,恭送。"},{"start":1744.196,"end":1769.192,"text":"你發言還沒有啦,怎麼發言?那就是剛剛已經講了,就是照林國成委員的提案,我們就通過了還有韓資那個通產會還有韓資會議決議,韓資通產會,好總召請你有沒有接下來?欸?等一下等一下沒有,你是臨時動議還是什麼?"},{"start":1772.742,"end":1773.382,"text":"法會主席問答。"},{"start":1793.014,"end":1821.713,"text":"則成立了中華民國第一次的立法院職權行使法國會調查權正式成立調查小組我想今天雪生委員能夠排除萬難讓立法院的職權能夠得以伸張是不是我們各位委員是不是也給我們雪生召委他的道德勇氣我們給他掌聲一下好不好真的是謝謝雪生"},{"start":1823.015,"end":1823.416,"text":"李卓人議員"},{"start":1832.619,"end":1834.22,"text":"二、審查（一）委員陳俊宇等24人擬具〈鐵路法第五十四條條文修正草案案〉案。"},{"start":1858.309,"end":1877.821,"text":"過去這些都是民進黨堅持要成立這個國會聽證調查那當然呢剛剛有聽到白就是白黑就是黑那我不瞭解說在民國82年在民國這個92年到民國102年那個時候認為是那個時候認為是黑色的問題那現在為什麼是白色的問題"},{"start":1888.428,"end":1907.801,"text":"一分鐘一分鐘謝謝所以呢我想今天如同我們剛剛在發言都沒有人會去爭吵其他人的發言所以在現在我們在發言就有人在爭吵一樣嘛你認為你有你的想法但是我們有我們的想法我們要尊重主席這一分鐘的時間我會把它講完好不好"},{"start":1908.701,"end":1936.97,"text":"所以我在這裏要再次的謝謝這個我們這個召委陳雪真陳召委我想今天不是在交通司法聯席的過程當中能夠奠定這樣的一個基礎未來各個委員會也會全面的對於本於職權該讓民眾瞭解真相的部分我們都會全力的來推動也再次謝謝今天出席的所有的委員還有陳雪真委員你的辛勞謝謝"},{"start":1948.137,"end":1965.965,"text":"接下來進行鐵路法等二案的審查請提案委員說明提案要職時間兩分鐘請陳俊宇委員說明提案要職陳俊宇委員陳俊宇委員不在請廖先翔委員說明提案要職"},{"start":1979.983,"end":1980.263,"text":"主席、委員"},{"start":1997.056,"end":2020.026,"text":" ﹏﹏﹏"},{"start":2020.186,"end":2020.566,"text":"二、審查（一）委員陳俊宇等24人擬具"},{"start":2044.258,"end":2045.659,"text":"二、審查（一）委員陳俊宇等24人擬具〈鐵路法第五十三條條文修正草案案〉案。"},{"start":2067.015,"end":2082.931,"text":"三、在鐵路法上授權讓鐵路公司去訂定一個大家認為安全可行的方法讓在地的民眾出戶他們回家的時候是不用回法的當民眾他們需要救護車、消防車輛來救援的時候"},{"start":2086.434,"end":2087.215,"text":"謝謝廖先生委員請五次長報告"},{"start":2119.286,"end":2146.107,"text":"副委員部長去花蓮勘栽跟你報告一下是主席各位委員各位女士先生今天應邀立席貴委員會的審查鐵路法的修正會議敬請各位委員來指教有關陳委員近於24年擬具的鐵路法四十條針對鐵路機構遇到有重大的行車事故還有嚴重延遲應該立即通報以外還要啟動"},{"start":2147.228,"end":2170.694,"text":"旅客的接駁應變計劃一樣目前各鐵路機構其實都已經有相關的應變機制那本部會尊重委員會的審查結果另外廖委員先翔等18人就鐵路法第五十七條徵定在鐵路路線橋樑為當地民眾通行道路時行人及車輛不受限制通行以及徵定主管機關應該滿足跨越"},{"start":2172.875,"end":2173.895,"text":"二、審查（一）委員陳俊宇等24人擬具"},{"start":2193.78,"end":2217.878,"text":"那有關的這個委員所擬具的鐵路法修正草案的建議處理意見,我請本部的公共運輸監理司司長林福山向各位委員做詳細的一個說明。再次感謝委員的關心以及指教,謝謝。好,請公共運輸局監理司林司長報告。"},{"start":2220.389,"end":2239.126,"text":"主席、各位委員、各位女士先生今天應邀列席貴委員會就有關陳委員、俊宇等24人擬具《鐵路法第四十條條文修正草案》案及廖委員、先翔等18人擬具《鐵路法第五十七條條文修正草案》案提出交通部建議處理意見"},{"start":2240.467,"end":2255.577,"text":"那有關於陳委員等24人提案修正40條的重點部分大概是針對這個鐵路機構遇有重大行車事故和嚴重延遲除了應立即通報監理單位交通部鐵道局之外"},{"start":2256.377,"end":2279.416,"text":"那擬正定並應啟動旅客接駁應變計畫之規定。那經查現行這個條文同條第一項雖然沒有委員擬正定的文字規定但同條第四項的行車事故應變計畫已經有包括旅客疏散、接駁及人員救護等計畫措施現行各鐵路機構也依應變計畫來辦理"},{"start":2280.957,"end":2296.897,"text":"所以針對委員徵定第一項規定文字系有力條文更真明確那交通部原則尊重這個委員會審查的一個結果那有關廖委員先翔等18人提案修正第五十七條部分"},{"start":2298.069,"end":2321.797,"text":"委員提案修正重點主要是因為現行同條第二項有規定行人車輛不得侵入鐵路路線、橋樑、隧道內及站區內非公眾通行之處所。原理增訂第三項規定在鐵路路線、橋樑為當地居民通行之必要通路且無公有道路替代時,行人及車輛"},{"start":2323.339,"end":2352.739,"text":"可不受限制。那即倪徵定第四項規定鐵路路線設置而導致繼承道路無法通行。主管機關應滿足跨越鐵路路線之救災通行需求。那針對委員徵定兩項提案之這個處理意見主要考量建於鐵路運輸量大速度快為確保鐵路營運及眾多乘客之安全並防止行人車輛侵入造成本身之傷亡"},{"start":2353.999,"end":2368.524,"text":"本條第二項才規定排除鐵路路權範圍內之外物入侵以維護鐵路路線列車營運、鐵路眾多乘客及相關行人、車輛之安全。委員提案擬增訂第三項"},{"start":2369.304,"end":2397.293,"text":"其本質主要是當地居民年外道路應完善設置以解決居民可安全通行之課題。關於三雕林車站當地居民年外通行之課題新北市政府已在今年6月27號邀集有關單位研商將由該府選址並興建跨河橋樑供當地居民或觀光旅遊民眾可安全通行。那在這個橋樑尚未完成建置之前交通部"},{"start":2397.893,"end":2421.346,"text":"目前也在研議協助短期的過渡方案那原則將由台鐵公司與山瓜子鐵路橋樑上上游側先行代辦透寬立體分隔可供居民及機車通行至安全空間再交由該府管養相關過渡方案內容及分工交通部會緊述會商新北市政府來推動辦理那另外"},{"start":2422.347,"end":2435.637,"text":"依據災害防救法相關的規定當災害或緊急狀況發生時災害應變中心或指揮官得命令執行緊急應變計畫之各項措施所以包括消防等緊急救災時"},{"start":2437.638,"end":2452.95,"text":"鐵路機構依相關法令及指揮官之指揮本級應配合執行救災通行之需求所以建議第四項義務增訂之需要。此外本次委員提案在五十七條增訂第三項及第四項"},{"start":2453.59,"end":2475.944,"text":"那原條文第三項及第四項規定改一列第五項及第六項,因同法第七十條列有違反原第五十七條第三項及第四項的處罰規定,所以原必須同時配套修正鐵路法第七十條的規定。終整以上的意見,本部建議本條暫不予修正,維持現行條文。"},{"start":2478.092,"end":2505.891,"text":"有關於這次陳委員及這個廖委員所提這個鐵路法第四十條及七十條修正提案之這個建議處理線僅進行各位委員參裁好現在進行詢答先宣告以下事項一、發言時間出席委員五分鐘列席委員四分鐘"},{"start":2506.96,"end":2523.475,"text":"委員法院登記12點截止。各委員如果有提案,請在11點10分以前提出,以便議事人員會診。暫定12點休息10分鐘。週五原則上不休息,現在請登記第一位陳樹岳委員法院。"},{"start":2534.288,"end":2535.009,"text":"市長、董事長委員好"},{"start":2547.1,"end":2563.465,"text":"市長早安我們知道現在的極端氣候有時候在短時間內的強降雨真的就是會導致這個土石流的一個發生那對於整個交通這個路線就是造成很大的一個安全上的一個威脅"},{"start":2564.565,"end":2565.785,"text":"第三案僅進行詢答第二案僅進行詢答第三案僅進行詢答"},{"start":2593.334,"end":2594.435,"text":"三、盤點與巡檢確保邊坡安全。"},{"start":2608.271,"end":2628.969,"text":"市委跟委員報告齁,剛剛講這個西幾邊坡的部分,確實現在目前氣候變遷很大齁。那這部分我們的鐵路也好,包括台鐵高鐵還有公務局,這部分大概都針對邊坡部分都進行來巡檢。這個1個月內可以完成就沒問題,現在大概都已經在收尾,後面的收尾的階段。"},{"start":2630.082,"end":2658.992,"text":"對阿因為今天已經7月3號了嘛對阿剛好一個月了是是那應該是很快的時間就可以有結果了對是是可以好那在這個交通運輸上阿這個軌道運輸一般是被認為是快速又安全的啦可是我們看到最近幾次這個就是鐵道的事故阿真的也是讓人家非常的擔憂那在這個6月21號發生的土石邊坡滑落"},{"start":2659.292,"end":2660.493,"text":"第二案僅進行詢答 （第二案僅進行詢答"},{"start":2679.401,"end":2701.861,"text":"是,我跟委員報告,謝謝委員的指教。這邊剛提到6月21這個部分,就是這個上面畫面所顯示的,這是我們的監視器所看到的,沒有錯。但是他這部分他沒有告警,他本身沒有告警。所以我們現在針對這部分,因為主要他大概途徑有下來。"},{"start":2702.481,"end":2703.122,"text":"第二案僅進行詢答第二案僅進行詢答"},{"start":2731.975,"end":2759.363,"text":"對因為就這個曝光的畫面我們看到就是說事實上在列車要通過前19分鐘這個畫面就已經有顯示有這個土石流已經淹沒在鐵軌上了所以如果說我們有那個感應的那個預警系統就是義務入侵的系統的話那應該就是可以及時的來知道有這樣子的一個狀況發生來避免列車去撞上所以在這部分剛剛次長提到了就是會來裝設"},{"start":2761.644,"end":2783.095,"text":"那應該就是說從北到南,那包括東部的所有的鐵軌,針對有這個比較高危險的,就是土石流的一個地區都會來裝設嗎?是,會遵照委員的指教,我們會計前線再去做,那一季大概一個月內先把它攀點出來,後續剛我們開始做哪些,不管是防護也好,告警系統,我想這個我們會做一個整個攀點。"},{"start":2783.919,"end":2784.62,"text":"第二案僅進行詢答"},{"start":2805.761,"end":2827.378,"text":"議員陳俊宇主要是針對在重大事故的時候要啟動旅客的接駁應變計劃他是希望把這個明文規定在法令裡面那我想請教一下就是說在這個條文裡面沒有明確的規範在遇到像剛剛我們提到的這個0621的這個事故或者之前的重大事故的時候我們是怎麼去應變的"},{"start":2829.043,"end":2850.089,"text":"我報告一下其實在同一個條文它第四項就已經包括說鐵路機構應該要這個所謂的應變計畫那應變計畫其實包括那個旅客接駁現在目前台鐵它所有的車站大概都有所謂的它的開口企業的相關的公路接駁的這個樣的企業所以應該這部分到目前來執行大概都沒什麼問題"},{"start":2850.649,"end":2878.836,"text":"都沒有問題喔那這個0621這個事件發生的時候我們從畫面上看到旅客他後來就是走走在鐵軌上走到下一個車站是不是是那那個狀況呢蠻危險的跟委員報告他不是走到下一個車站是我們有一個4033次的列車開到他旁邊他們走走過橋以後上4033然後再開到崇德跟新城"},{"start":2879.761,"end":2880.562,"text":"檸檬火車站開發招商"},{"start":2895.93,"end":2925.913,"text":" ﹏﹏﹏"},{"start":2925.913,"end":2942.056,"text":" ﹏﹏﹏"},{"start":2943.075,"end":2961.523,"text":"委員報告這個地點是在園林站的旁邊是個狹長型的地域剛剛委員的指教我們會馬上做一個清理雜草等等的會做一個清理至於招商的進度主要"},{"start":2962.363,"end":2978.046,"text":"議員議員議員議員"},{"start":2978.466,"end":2983.289,"text":"希望我們能夠更積極,檢討一下到底我們誘因不夠還是什麼樣的原因導致投標的意願低。最後一個問題關心一下有關班次改點的問題。我們在6月26號有大改點。"},{"start":2999.239,"end":3005.201,"text":"三、張化站與元寧站改點前跟改點後其實差異不大元寧這邊南張化的鄉親也一再的反映就是說希望之前有兩班普悠瑪號就是早上有一班278跟下午的282希望能夠從元寧發車"},{"start":3025.49,"end":3051.091,"text":"這個我們鄉親反映了很多次所以這個部分我們在這次的改點裡面也沒有納入考量是不是請杜董事長這個在改點之前我們沒有把278這兩列車納入我想我們後續再來研議一下看看是不是可以調整它的始發站因為我們的路線容量是蠻緊的"},{"start":3051.972,"end":3052.372,"text":"謝謝主席請教一下"},{"start":3081.971,"end":3084.052,"text":"主席,今天部長沒有來,原因是什麼?"},{"start":3111.285,"end":3130.137,"text":"委員長,從局長到次長的感覺怎麼樣?粉墨登場,恭喜啊!現在鐵道跟公路啊,都是國內的,要面對很大的一個嚴重的問題。那請問一下,我還是要請教一下,部長今天去哪裡?"},{"start":3132.889,"end":3140.859,"text":"因為我只是接到說要我來開會他說要請假但是他真正形成我並沒有幫他掌控所以你到現在還不知道部長去哪裡"},{"start":3143.58,"end":3169.047,"text":"議長的行政我不用跟我講。不是嘛,你照實講沒有關係嘛。你到現在還不知道部長去哪裡,不會,你們現在交通部整個正向上下跟左右橫向聯繫都出了問題是嗎?不是不是。所以你也不用在乎說部長今天在哪裡,你也不care就對了。不是,因為今天我接的任務就是來這個教育會這邊來勒洗備詢這樣。所以部長去哪裡你不曉得,也不關心?"},{"start":3169.929,"end":3197.645,"text":"不是不關心啦因為這個長官的行程我沒辦法去去說去詢問說他到底去哪邊是沒有關係啦你要這種詢答方式的話以後在立法院你會很不會很不適應因為有話就照實講嘛你怎麼會站在這裡都不知道說到此時此刻你還不知道部長去哪裡嗎剛剛主席都宣讀這麼多次了你不知道你沒有聽到你沒有戴耳朵到立法院來嗎"},{"start":3199.895,"end":3224.824,"text":"全時面對嘛本席再請教你一次今天部長在哪裡報告我聽到剛剛委員所講的說他是到花蓮看災但是我在內部我沒有掌握到這個訊息我沒有部長到花蓮看災看什麼災你們交通沒關係還有鐵路一起上來沒有關係今天看什麼災"},{"start":3231.133,"end":3234.736,"text":"來那個杜董事長今天部長去哪裡"},{"start":3254.911,"end":3276.478,"text":"報告委員我不知道部長在哪邊不過灘災到花蓮部長已經跑好幾次了不是啊我本席問的是今天嘛這個我真的不清楚那個那個真的欸那個是不是請學生主席回來一下齁今天很奇怪啊交通部上上下下部長失蹤了然後呢主管鐵道的鐵路局董事長也不知道部長去哪裡"},{"start":3285.086,"end":3309.493,"text":"那部長今天去哪裡跟鐵路是無關的所以董事長不知道是嗎你真的不知道我真的不知道那今天部長表示今天部長的行程是不公開的你們都不知道對內也不曉得是私人行程是隱蔽的那私人行程憑什麼可以不來立法院備詢呢"},{"start":3313.905,"end":3317.898,"text":"抱怨部長應該有依照程序向交友會請教才對。"},{"start":3321.054,"end":3347.452,"text":"市長你等一下叫幕僚打電話問一下我們這裡他確實有請假那今天如果說去看花蓮的鐵路還是公路既然鐵路的董事長都不知道部長去哪裡那部長今天去花蓮要做什麼還是不是去花蓮是隱匿去詐騙詐欺會議主席說要去花蓮然後所有的交通部的成員都不知道要去哪裡"},{"start":3348.473,"end":3359.863,"text":"我們要不要貼學員啟示啊部長到底去哪裡啊市長不知道鐵路董事長不知道那部長到底去哪裡是不是你們去請一下學生委員好不好不是啊我們現在真的"},{"start":3377.304,"end":3383.68,"text":"要正式來會議詢問啊部長為什麼沒有來次長任何人都不知道部長去哪裡我們立法院生病了是嗎"},{"start":3392.498,"end":3416.201,"text":"市長等一下是不是請示幕僚人員跟他的機要看看他是確實有請假但是他是另有要工但是剛才陳主席寫聲啊他是講說他去花蓮所以這個核對一下有沒有去花蓮或其他地方轉到花蓮這個求證一下好不好一個"},{"start":3417.674,"end":3436.924,"text":"主席我們光詢問部長去哪裡到現在為止整個交通部無人可以回應今天是立法院正式開議的日期也是有邀請交通部長到本委員會來到立法院來沒人知道"},{"start":3451.035,"end":3472.594,"text":"那我們這個會議詢問要詢問到什麼時候他去問了啦那裡面裡面趕快叫幕僚去問一下啦這個交通部來立法院列席沒有人知道今天列席的原因因為部長去哪裡沒有人知道這是我們今天的立法院這國會已經失能了是嗎"},{"start":3480.269,"end":3489.915,"text":"你先問其他好了。讓他去查。查完以後再來。時間補給你。我們回憶詢問,現在到底部長去哪裡?阿次長也不知道。我先來做內容詢答啦,好不好。"},{"start":3508.97,"end":3509.991,"text":"六月二十號到今天請次長看一下"},{"start":3536.774,"end":3562.921,"text":"因為今天你是代表部長出席不是只有負責鐵道的部分六月二十號樹花公路土石流攤方所以只出不進二十一號鐵路出軌二十六號台九線"},{"start":3565.205,"end":3588.479,"text":"具時阻擋車道二十七號攤房中斷二十九號大清水又攤房三十號台八線巨大落石把整個道路中斷七月一號再發生"},{"start":3591.884,"end":3592.465,"text":"市長跟委員報告號"},{"start":3620.413,"end":3649.554,"text":"這次確實是在花蓮地區的最近就近日從這邊看真的是很多土石流的部分過去真的是比較少見過去大概落石比較多那這是我們現在研判大概應該就是上次地震的關係有些是在上面已經鬆動了經過近日的下雨整個就土石流下來沒有關係你等於沒有在回答本席的問題本席說這個問題到底要怎麼處理這就是老生常談的嘛"},{"start":3651.218,"end":3667.232,"text":"對嗎?你在局裡服務到當局長一直到當次長老生常談我們看一下告警系統我們現在看一下告警系統告警系統之前從104年開始這樣表列出來這個告警系統這是104年"},{"start":3677.486,"end":3696.073,"text":"一百零四年開始那個比較模糊那個照相檔把它列出來是一百零四年開始這個計畫一百零四年邊坡告警系統原本是在一百零九年要完成"},{"start":3698.936,"end":3720.444,"text":"本信箱讓你知道104年到109年應該要完成的結果沒有完成因為交通部的告警系統設置去延緩延緩之後本來109年要完工因為沒有完工造成110年4月2號0402太魯閣號事件49條人命損失"},{"start":3726.57,"end":3746.204,"text":"因為你們的工程延誤造成告急系統沒有做好49條人命現在同個地方鐵路又出軌。社長東部的人命這麼不受到重視嗎?"},{"start":3749.295,"end":3771.938,"text":"你們工程的延誤造成49條人命的損失告警系統沒有設立完整接下來又發生這樣的事情市長本席今天請教你的問題請有一個明確的書面的回答"},{"start":3774.475,"end":3799.128,"text":"請部裡面給我一個明確的回答。還有本席在這裡齁,請那個主席齁。這裡要一個明確的。齁,那個,那個,好,我們主席回來了。我要請主席啊,因為剛剛我們在詢問啊,部長為什麼沒有來齁。然後,對,部長請假,那請問部長去哪裡?"},{"start":3801.701,"end":3823.659,"text":"本席剛剛請教次長跟董事長都不知道部長去哪裡整個交通部都不知道今天部長去哪裡本席現在在這裡希望主席要做這邊要做一個折騰跟一個決定部長今天要去花蓮關心花蓮我們很高興"},{"start":3826.141,"end":3851.027,"text":"我們也很歡迎但是一個堂堂中華民國的一個部長去花蓮我們在地的人立委沒有人知道你們到地方是要偷偷摸摸沒有任何人知道嗎通知一下有問題嗎現在行政官員傲慢到這種程度嗎地方都不用通知嗎"},{"start":3854.554,"end":3875.311,"text":"是不是請主席齁這個交通部還是我們各部會到哪一個地方去你希望國會議員你要起碼一個尊重一個兆會聯席嘛本來本席今天來這裡就是要問部長的我是到了這裡聽你宣讀完我才知道啊部長去花蓮了為什麼我們都不知道"},{"start":3879.576,"end":3895.047,"text":"請主席拜託他可以請假他可以請假沒有關係他可以請假沒有關係但起碼你要去哪一個在地要通知在地我們在地完全不知道所以今天來這裡撲空不然我在華林等他就好了"},{"start":3896.195,"end":3919.802,"text":"市長回去跟部長報告一下好不好?是留去哪裡看災都好事嘛,對不對?通知當地的首長啊?是當地首長也很歡迎啊,不會說拒絕嘛,對不對?是好啦好啦好啦好啦好,林俊憲市長發言欸不,委員啦,不是市長喔?還沒有?"},{"start":3920.896,"end":3929.023,"text":"還沒成熟來,謝主席,要請我們交通部五次長、鐵道局楊局長、台鐵杜董事長"},{"start":3942.338,"end":3953.767,"text":"臺南市政府已經把一個非常重要的臺南市捷運的規劃案送進鐵道局。這是臺南市叫做藍線的延伸,我們就簡稱為藍沿線,藍線的延伸線。"},{"start":3958.117,"end":3958.457,"text":"李卓人議員"},{"start":3988.277,"end":3994.784,"text":"所以這個藍色顏色你覺得這個非常重要所以請提到局我們盡數要來審議"},{"start":3997.772,"end":4018.569,"text":"因為未來啦我覺得這一塊啦已經難怪今天這一塊啦是台南的另外一顆鑽石啦現在幾乎所有國家重要的研究機構都在那個地方而且啊未來會有無限的發展可能因為他那邊土地足夠啦交通又非常方便因為就在高鐵站嘛"},{"start":4019.469,"end":4039.093,"text":"所以這樣的一個捷運線我們當然要超前部署啦所以請田道瑜這邊能夠加快速度協助台南市政府好不好好 這我跟委員報告齁這個當時大概幾個單位有意見給台南市政府台南市已經在6月21號已經又送進來了所以我們近日會安排這個審議這個會議來讓加速這條線的一個審議進度好 那也感謝次長還有局長的協助齁"},{"start":4047.654,"end":4072.144,"text":"另外我要請教台鐵的杜局長那社長也要幫我們關心本集接到一個陳情案就是有一個搭車的民眾那他的親人一起在車上心臟病發結果在車上呼救無門那列車上也沒有加裝AED就是自動體外的心臟電極器所以不幸的他去世了"},{"start":4073.64,"end":4093.088,"text":"現在我們新的車廂,台北最新的車廂都有但是我們剛好在這個時間點舊的志強號在全面改造那是不是舊的志強號全面改造的時候應該也要裝上這樣的一個急救設備請杜局長有這樣的規劃嗎?是各位委員報告的確現在我們PP我們的動改案現在正在進行"},{"start":4098.991,"end":4122.06,"text":"那因為PP他還是屬於我們尤其西部幹線的成績列車他那個到站的間距比較長在車上的時間比較多所以我們未來在動改的過程中我們會把PP的車廂會加裝AED因為你現在救治強化大概有兩三百個老舊的車廂在改造這個要裝上去啦我舉個例子啦你這樣高鐵不用講啦"},{"start":4127.984,"end":4152.312,"text":"像捷運,捷運在這個法定規定上它並沒有列為必要裝的啦,但機捷就有裝,因為我們有一個長距離交通工具,機關它只有列到高鐵飛機,它沒有列到台鐵,但實際上以目前的這種保健的觀念,急救的觀念應該要有,所以你新買的車廂都有,"},{"start":4154.213,"end":4168.889,"text":"其中有一些車站之間的間距會很遠,尤其像花東。我舉一個例子,像南澳到花蓮,要40分鐘才能停。你蘇澳到新城也是差不多40分鐘。所以應該利用這一次改造,應該把這個地方給補起來。"},{"start":4169.91,"end":4171.191,"text":"三、台鐵在今年是正式公司化（"},{"start":4198.866,"end":4204.128,"text":"那台鐵公司化以後啊,待遇有沒有提高?有沒有辦法吸引人才到我們台鐵來?"},{"start":4205.709,"end":4232.307,"text":"這跟委員報告我們現在台鐵是雙軌制我們選擇在舊軌做資位人員的話他是有這個規定他這個要提高的話並不容易但是我們新招的這個從業人員他如果來公司裡面他夠努力績效好的話他的年薪是有機會來超過同等資位的這個留任人員"},{"start":4233.388,"end":4258.733,"text":"但是看起來喔,薪資水準還是偏低啦。比如說跟高鐵這種,這種比較有錢的公司比啦。你看高鐵平均薪資是八萬九塊九萬啦。台鐵才四萬九啦。那以薪資的中位數,大概都差不多高鐵的五成而已,五成多一點。那其中有些特殊人員的薪資更低啦。台鐵的勞安和醫護人員。"},{"start":4260.313,"end":4267.638,"text":"你看我們對勞安醫護人員因為那個有專業你看要求很高你必須要有雙證照等等而且吃飯還要自己付錢"},{"start":4270.253,"end":4274.175,"text":"二、審查（一）委員陳俊宇等24人擬具〈鐵路法第四十條條文修正草案案〉案。"},{"start":4291.277,"end":4308.23,"text":"其他大概都沒有人來然後報導率啊又再扣個5%那一年後的離職率啊大概也有十幾%了你台鐵不是也你欠人像那個台東段的電機人員要招募7人就一個來報名照理講錄取率百分之百"},{"start":4309.031,"end":4311.732,"text":"二、審查（一）委員陳俊宇等24人擬具〈鐵路法第四十條條文修正草案案〉案。"},{"start":4338.925,"end":4359.713,"text":"不講了?不講了?何委員他不同意啊何新成委員請他完畢就處理提案好請何新成委員發言謝謝學生張維,我們是不是請次長好請我次長"},{"start":4370.788,"end":4388.696,"text":"主席,昨天台中捷運的局限可行性通過了。在昨天的會議裡面,我知道有學者專家針對一些現行的規劃,有一些意見,但是我們還是讓他先通過,然後附帶一些建議、附帶條件。"},{"start":4391.477,"end":4420.803,"text":"那請問一下我這有一個是有關供購的問題因為呢以現在看到的規劃局限他從清泉崗機場來到這個車站那往我屯區大理那邊過去到霧峰但是呢在車站那一個部分呢我們知道第一個有沒有跟台鐵的車站供購第二個我們的還有一個客運的轉運站第三個呢有沒有跟藍線供購交集來來市長你就理解了解"},{"start":4421.67,"end":4447.279,"text":"我跟委員報告所以這是昨天大概有很多人針對這個有意見目前規劃大概380公尺那他如果要靠近比較靠近共過完全共過大概不可能但是越靠近越好那些越靠近的話大概就會用到使用到台鐵他要渡工的那塊地那我昨天是跟台中市政府有跟他建議如果你把這個捷運站引進來你給他獎勵嘛"},{"start":4449.582,"end":4470.776,"text":" ﹏﹏"},{"start":4471.016,"end":4499.325,"text":"我下個禮拜一也要邀請我們交通委員會去看車站那邊的現場也希望市長跟部長能夠把這個共構雖然已經看起來沒辦法但是一定要把那個距離拉近因為我們去到國外看到對很多大城市的捷運系統來講它一定要有一個短距離的連結它的這個交通經濟"},{"start":4500.665,"end":4508.111,"text":"二、審查（一）委員陳俊宇等24人擬具:「鐵路法第五十七條條文修正草案案件事宜。二、審查（一）委員陳俊宇等24人擬具:「鐵路法第五十七條條文修正草案案件事宜。二、審查（一）委員陳俊宇等24人擬具:「鐵路法第五十七條條文修正草案案件事宜。"},{"start":4529.226,"end":4530.107,"text":"二、審查（一）委員陳俊宇等24人擬具"},{"start":4553.45,"end":4579.136,"text":"二、關心一下我們臺中市政府後續的一個規劃啦好不好。能盡量協助解決啦好不好。那第二個我要想請教這個次長最近疫情升溫那暑假呢又是一個觀光大家遊客臺灣國人移動的一個最旺季那我們大眾運輸跟旅宿業有怎麼的一個因應?次長"},{"start":4581.663,"end":4603.744,"text":"你說這個疫情真的流行到小孩子有腸病毒、諾蘿病毒然後又有這個新冠疫情然後連老人家其實我聽聞我身邊其實不分年齡層幾乎都有所謂的疫情升溫或者是受到疫情的感染的現象越來越多人"},{"start":4604.905,"end":4632.526,"text":"那這個部分次長我們可以怎麼樣的來確保這個暑假期間旅遊的大旺季那也是國人移動的一個最最最最最長的一個時間點裡面針對疫情我們有什麼看法是這個疫情身份是確實目前看到一些報導大概是這樣子那我想我們後面因為以我們交通業來講我希望大概我們會配合衛部他如果有什麼公佈相關的措施我們來配合辦理"},{"start":4633.346,"end":4659.399,"text":"我是建議不要被動的請衛福部來公布是不是應該可以先行跟衛福部來討論因為第一個我們大眾運輸包括鐵道包括高鐵那包括我們很多各地方政府的大眾運輸系統我覺得這個是國人在生活面裡面最關心的一件事情第二個我們現在是觀光季那旅宿業的"},{"start":4660.74,"end":4661.421,"text":"第三案僅進行詢答"},{"start":4681.564,"end":4706.113,"text":"謝謝,那最後的最後只有一個我是提醒台鐵我們現在公司化了要營運要營餘我知道現行我們台鐵有所謂的那個PASS這個PASS呢這有學生國人用的用供給外國國防科購買採購的我是建議我們現在都常常到國外自助行我們到了國外自助行我們看到歐美日本他們對鐵道的周遊券"},{"start":4707.354,"end":4711.362,"text":"不管是什麼PASS都很彈性而且多元組合。"},{"start":4713.182,"end":4734.372,"text":"這個東西我覺得我們現在公司化了我們應該要更有行銷的一個彈性跟特殊性還有便利性這樣子才能夠促成外國觀光客來臺自由行也好或者是其他的一個行程的安排也好他才能夠深度旅遊才能夠真正的認識臺灣這個台鐵可以規劃嗎"},{"start":4738.507,"end":4738.527,"text":"謝謝委員"},{"start":4769.758,"end":4780.057,"text":"好,謝謝何新淳委員。現在處理臨時提案。本日一共有兩個案,請議事先讀,一併先讀。"},{"start":4785.587,"end":4813.437,"text":"二、請國營臺灣鐵路股份有限公司為特殊需求應於一個月內提出相關配套管理及安全措施與特定路段時段開放行人車輛進入鐵路路線及場站區內非公共眾通行之處所等並規劃穿越軌道路線以滿足救災需求以因應災害發生並保障居民與遊客基本通行權利。"},{"start":4814.488,"end":4843.817,"text":"提案人（委員廖先翔等。饮食提案三有建議觀光業影響宜蘭縣整體產業發展勝舉。進請交通部觀光署評估振興獎勵補助方案納入宜蘭縣之可行性,比照臺東縣對自由行與團體旅遊入住宜蘭縣進行補助於一週內。將評估報告送交交通委員會。提案人（委員林國誠等。宣讀完畢。"},{"start":4845.626,"end":4863.539,"text":"好,各位委員跟交通部有沒有意見?第二案我們建議倒數第四行最右邊,於特定路段的前面加上原意兩個字。這第一案嗎?他剛剛說第二案。"},{"start":4873.499,"end":4900.214,"text":"那你來第三案?委員那這就是修正,如果沒意見就修正通過。這個第二案嗎?那這個就一案嗎?沒有,第一案已經處理過了。我第二案處理過了?這第三案嗎?委員那這個就是修正通過。好,第二案那個各位有沒有意見?沒意見修正通過?第三案?有沒有意見?沒意見專案通過?"},{"start":4906.829,"end":4932.574,"text":"好,下一位請魯明哲委員發言好,謝謝主席,有請五次長五次長請鐵道局楊局長鐵道局楊局長委員好好這個今天齁"},{"start":4934.778,"end":4950.897,"text":"正好是這一位次長一位局長那過去鐵道局的局長副局長然後現在先後是我們一路打拼啦這個在很多我們桃園軌道工程其實我看到兩位是真的是比較務實的專業務實比較少政治性解決問題"},{"start":4955.179,"end":4972.346,"text":"議員議員議員"},{"start":4973.089,"end":4973.629,"text":"二、審查（一）委員陳俊宇等24人擬具"},{"start":4999.386,"end":5002.867,"text":"二、審查（一）委員陳俊宇等24人擬具〈鐵路法第四十條條文修正草案案〉案"},{"start":5018.333,"end":5036.306,"text":"三個月前3月22號說啊要延三當時講三年啊到底延三年還是四年啊沒關係啊現在到底延三年還是四年現在經費概算結果到底增加多少兩位要不要誰說一下"},{"start":5038.608,"end":5065.28,"text":"這個我想我先說明一下當時其實我在當局長的時候那時候就碰到物條的問題其實那時候大概就會增加大概會增加大概400億左右那後來當然我離開之後那時候楊局長接了以後他有所謂的就是繼續南延那一段那一段大概1.2公里大概增加不少錢所以這樣整個加起來的話現在我不曉得那個就老實估算大概是多少對對"},{"start":5066.789,"end":5066.949,"text":"主席"},{"start":5087.694,"end":5099.258,"text":"一般我看到了大概最後是漲30到50的比較多一點像你從1048億要漲到如果剛剛講771的話最後的結果會1800億漲7乘5啊 這個部分這個部分讓我們覺得財務上是有點憂心那第二個問題我想直接鐵道局楊局長你來回答好不好"},{"start":5114.964,"end":5133.157,"text":"我上次總質詢關心這個三個議題啦可能會造成延誤的三大議題第一個因為現在三個上面打勾的三個站還沒發包因為沒錢發包內地車站、桃一車站跟鳳鳴車站現在大概修正計畫報的進度如何預計這三個還沒發包的車站什麼時候預計可以發包跟委員報告現在修正計畫正在積極進行當中"},{"start":5141.903,"end":5143.445,"text":"二、審查（一）委員陳俊宇等24人擬具〈鐵路法第四十三條條文修正草案案〉案。"},{"start":5158.319,"end":5175.589,"text":"議員議員議員議員議員"},{"start":5176.185,"end":5204.654,"text":"桃園站的文資議題呢因為我們最近才會進場就是真正去做工程方面的工作那我們已經陸續跟原來就是桃園捷運局那邊文資處理的團隊跟桃園捷運局保持密切的合作在這個地方來就是原來有溝通完成的團隊繼續來沿用他們溝通會好一點喔是的好不好有朝這個方向嗎是有那第三個是這個我們憑證呢憑證段這個也是要等修正計畫嗎"},{"start":5205.914,"end":5206.894,"text":"第三案僅進行詢答"},{"start":5230.401,"end":5231.361,"text":"議員陳俊宇等24人擬具〈鐵路法第四十條條文修正草案案〉案"},{"start":5259.511,"end":5287.632,"text":"五億、十億、想要存個八年有個四、五十億可是我看到現在經費從一零四八要調到一千八百億可能喔那我們在想哇!鐵路地下化要退這麼多年講了這麼久桃園市政府針對於鐵路地下化這件事到底自己存在自己的戶頭多少錢到底要他存多少錢你們已經提供了多少錢我在想至少要兩成吧"},{"start":5291.25,"end":5300.933,"text":"實際的狀況,截至昨天為止,原本1048億,地方要出262億,中央786億。過去到112年,大概5、6年的時間,臺灣市政府只有付了14.19億,中央53.47億。今年度113年,"},{"start":5318.117,"end":5319.998,"text":"第三案僅進行詢答一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．"},{"start":5348.632,"end":5349.773,"text":"二、審查（一）委員陳俊宇等24人擬具"},{"start":5369.361,"end":5393.036,"text":"還欠多少?415億。在未來,如果你們112年能夠完工,還有9年的時間要提撥。尤其是越接近完工,可能一年要變成80億、100億。那中央呢?你們再增加之後,你們要出1311億。你們截至目前為止,也經費的到位率也只有6.6%。"},{"start":5394.497,"end":5399.579,"text":"第三案僅進行詢答一﹗二﹗二﹗三﹗一﹗三﹗三﹗三﹗三﹗三﹗三﹗三﹗三﹗三﹗三﹗三﹗三﹗三﹗三﹗三﹗三﹗三﹗三﹗三﹗三﹗三﹗三﹗三﹗三﹗三﹗三﹗三﹗三﹗三﹗三﹗三﹗三﹗三﹗三﹗三﹗三﹗三﹗三﹗三﹗三﹗三﹗三﹗三﹗三﹗三﹗三﹗三﹗三﹗"},{"start":5423.575,"end":5440.196,"text":"議員議員議員議員議員"},{"start":5440.987,"end":5450.979,"text":"嗯,中央的這個財務部分沒有問題啊,我們114年,其實這一年我們逃避的部分大概已經編列框了159億,就是將近160億。所以,框了150幾億嘛?160。那我可以跟你報告一下齁,"},{"start":5457.746,"end":5483.177,"text":"這個地方政府今年起議明年明年應該要框個四五十億大概明年只有十億你們大概要討論一下千萬不要因為這個財務的問題再讓已經延待的工程繼續延誤好不好謝謝好謝謝委員好謝謝魯明哲委員的發言稍微請廖先翔委員發言"},{"start":5496.319,"end":5499.69,"text":"謝謝主席,麻煩我們吳次長還有我們杜局長。"},{"start":5509.562,"end":5509.702,"text":"主席"},{"start":5540.163,"end":5557.343,"text":"除了網紅代理這個議題之前其實這個議題長期以來本身就是困擾著我們山雕嶺居住的民眾因此我在相關新聞出來之前就已經有你鐵路法的修法案了那就是長期以來是地方民眾的一個通行的一個需求"},{"start":5558.044,"end":5582.434,"text":"那很簡單的問一下次長會的局長我們山雕嶺裡面的租屋那個叫漁療路假設我們今天兩位長官住在我們山雕嶺漁療路那請問一下兩位今天要怎麼回家我剛提到我知道那個委員所講的就是他要通過平沼道他要轉那個山爪溪橋的部分那我覺得"},{"start":5586.037,"end":5598.492,"text":"這個我應該這麼說齁我叫你當事齁下白市會去找那個新北市齁跟他談一下這個事情你們在做的事情我知道嘛你們有可能想要去做一些拓荒還怎麼樣子的對對是那個都是之後的事嘛今天要怎麼回家"},{"start":5602.1,"end":5629.556,"text":"是...看起來有點困難這就是居民每天遭遇到的問題那我知道居民通行的問題確實不是我們這個鐵路公司這個可能單方面的一個責任但是他現況就是這樣子我們要去做改善我們要去做改善都是包括一些硬體設施的改善他都是需要經費需要時間可能是一年兩年那這段時間勒"},{"start":5630.857,"end":5646.46,"text":"這段時間他們不用出門嗎?還是說他們我們這個我們來這個苦民說苦一下他們對我們的另外橋樑還沒做好之前我們市長跟局長跟他們一樣都待在家裡不要出門體驗一下他們的痛苦"},{"start":5650.011,"end":5669.024,"text":"短期當然就是我們現在大概有研擬出來一個方案就是剛講拓寬的部分這後續我再請他去這樣做啦那這中間如果說在更臨時的部分我們再想看看有沒有什麼其他方案修法是最快的路修法並不是說修了之後"},{"start":5669.804,"end":5670.084,"text":"第三案僅進行詢答"},{"start":5687.534,"end":5688.735,"text":"二、審查（一）委員陳俊宇等24人擬具"},{"start":5705.029,"end":5705.489,"text":"二、審查（一）委員陳宇等24人擬具"},{"start":5725.575,"end":5727.077,"text":"二、審查（一）委員陳俊宇等24人擬具〈鐵路法第四十條條文修正草案案〉案。"},{"start":5746.189,"end":5746.329,"text":"議員陳俊宇等24人擬具"},{"start":5758.363,"end":5786.728,"text":"五秒必爭每延誤一分鐘都比我們現在一個小時還要的痛苦那一樣我會提這個救災救難的一個配套措施也是一樣希望我們能夠交通部跟台鐵公司能夠將心比心向我們的民眾當他需要緊急救護的時候我們或許現在我們有說緊急救難這個救災的法案依現場指揮官可以去做一些緊急的處置但是我們的配套就在那邊啊我們的車輛就是過不了啊"},{"start":5788.345,"end":5795.583,"text":"是吧今天我們我不知道但下放左來比如說我們現在跨越鐵道居民就在對面我們車要怎麼過去"},{"start":5797.21,"end":5797.25,"text":"議員陳俊宇"},{"start":5823.009,"end":5848.989,"text":"我想我這樣跟委員報告啦齁,鋼鐵如果以救護車來講的話,那其實兩邊的道路還必須要有。那這部分地方政府,如果說光我們已經開個平交道,也許我可以來考量一下怎麼開平交道,但因為就是沒辦法開平交道,所以才有這個問題。以前其實是一個道路啦,它以前是一個道路,大家都可以走,就是因為我們台鐵做好了之後,就早年以前的事啦不可考了,變成路沒辦法走了。"},{"start":5850.038,"end":5851.56,"text":"議員陳俊宇等24人擬具〈鐵路法第五十條條文修正草案案〉"},{"start":5876.182,"end":5904.105,"text":"需要做的配套我們就準備好,如果他們有需要的時候就可以馬上來使用。以上好不好,以上馬上我們的市長跟董事長,謝謝。謝謝委員。好,謝謝廖先翔委員發言。下一請黃建豪委員發言。黃建豪委員發言。徐委員,你等一下急不急?不是啊,因為我想12點啊。"},{"start":5907.342,"end":5920.648,"text":"你還是質詢完,到你為止還是怎麼樣?到你為止齁?那你再等一下好不好?好,繼續。好,謝謝主席齁,主席辛苦了。主席我先請這個次長跟我們鐵道局我們楊局長。委員好。"},{"start":5930.908,"end":5942.538,"text":"市長好 這個今台當然現在台中捷運局縣昨天正式的經過我們交通部的可能性研究的復旦所的通過那要來函報行政院審查目前的進度是這樣嗎對吧"},{"start":5943.995,"end":5963.58,"text":"市長,但是裡面有一些意見,那個臺東市府必須回去做一點修正。對,因為我昨天也是,會議開始前也去跟這個次長,那還有包含說禮拜一的時候我們也去這個交通委員會也到了這個現地來這個來辦,來會商來會刊。那其實裡面最主要的核心問題應該就是指這個通道。"},{"start":5964.5,"end":5984.146,"text":"因為包含在禮拜一的時候跟禮拜二就昨天在討論的時候也提到這個通道部分本來是300多公尺按照他的計畫的內容300多公尺那其實口頭上交通臺中市交通局有跟本席說過會調整到80公尺那就交通部的了解這個300多公尺到80公尺的這個問題是卡在哪一個環節"},{"start":5985.899,"end":6003.78,"text":"所以昨天那個委員在跟我提說80我也覺得有點納悶我跟你講說我的訊息還是300公尺320公尺我我那時候我掌握到還是這樣子所以80我是不曉得為什麼會有80這個數字來那昨天你們審查會沒有沒有他提出來是320啊"},{"start":6004.781,"end":6005.742,"text":"二、審查（一）委員陳俊宇等24人擬具"},{"start":6020.619,"end":6044.23,"text":"三百二到八十的這段好像牽涉到所謂的這個鐵路就是台鐵公司或鐵路局的用地會有這個問題所以到時候我是不是也拜託我們市長也拜託我們這個鐵道局一併的來協助市政府來跟這個鐵道局或是說鐵路公司來協調這件事情是我跟委員報告這個事情即使昨天在討論因為大概其他委員就是審議委員對這個轉稱的距離意見有比較多一點"},{"start":6048.592,"end":6052.553,"text":"二、審查（一）委員陳俊宇等24人擬具:「鐵路法第五十三條條文修正草案案案件事宜。」"},{"start":6072.62,"end":6075.163,"text":"二、審查（一）委員陳俊宇等24人擬具〈鐵路法第四十條條文修正草案案〉案。"},{"start":6094.423,"end":6099.564,"text":"二、審查（一）委員陳俊宇等24人擬具:「鐵路法第五十三條條文修正草案案 案件及後續事宜。二、審查（一）委員陳俊宇等24人擬具:「鐵路法第五十三條條文修正草案 案件及後續事宜。」"},{"start":6116.408,"end":6142.442,"text":"一開始沒那麼貴但是一直拖拖拖了十年之後就會變成現在這個兩塊兩千億的這個規模那現階段我們雖然是估一千三百九十六億那如果越晚動工我想那個後續的經費就會提升越多所以在目前這個看起來路線上路線裡面沒有太大問題就剩下這些節點的部分尤其在台中車站這一塊我們是可以拜託次長也拜託到時候鐵道局跟到時候鐵路公司"},{"start":6142.862,"end":6171.716,"text":"二﹗大家一起來這個就公稱面只要可行的部分把法規能夠來放寬是沒問題好那接下來談到今天的這個主題啊今天其實要談到這鐵路法的修法那雖然這不是我的選區這個是這個山雕嶺車站的部分但是其實我也接過民眾的陳情因為我看了很多李明出遊都會選擇來山雕嶺這邊來觀光那但是都有遇到一個障礙就是說的確就如同廖先翔委員所提的這個因為他的"},{"start":6172.961,"end":6174.583,"text":"二、審查（一）委員陳俊宇等24人擬具〈鐵路法第四十條條文修正草案〉案。"},{"start":6198.062,"end":6225.511,"text":"各位報告,如果是橫越的部分我想應該處理上會比較簡單啦齁,就是做個類似平交道這種方式大概可以,但是那個三爪西橋那個部分會比較麻煩,因為它的平行,那它那個通道其實是在所謂的鐵路進攻裡面,鐵路進攻,鐵路那個委員知道它的速度比較快,煞車距離很長,它也沒辦法像車子說我看到人我閃一下,沒辦法閃,所以這個對行車是"},{"start":6227.412,"end":6230.617,"text":"二、審查（一）委員陳俊宇等24人擬具〈鐵路法第五十三條條文修正草案案〉案"},{"start":6243.975,"end":6263.221,"text":"市長今天提出這個修法那當然我知道我看交通部的意見基本上你們是不希望修這個法啦但是你們有沒有盤點過有點再給我一分鐘時間有沒有盤點過到底全台灣有多少類似的這樣子的車站的狀況因為包含最近有個時事新聞喔是這個不是山頂是暖暖車站這個山坡"},{"start":6264.121,"end":6281.869,"text":" ﹏﹏"},{"start":6282.253,"end":6282.273,"text":" ﹝廣告﹞"},{"start":6297.278,"end":6299.299,"text":"一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、二、一、一、一、一、一、一、一、一、一、一、一、一、一、一、一、一、一、一、一、一、一、"},{"start":6327.233,"end":6331.618,"text":"一個月,我們一個月我們先去盤點出來。好,謝謝市長。是。好,謝謝,謝謝委員。好,謝謝。接下來請有號委員。"},{"start":6367.724,"end":6373.338,"text":"謝謝,謝謝大會主席。那有請我們的五次長。好,請五次長。謝謝。"},{"start":6383.446,"end":6398.654,"text":"議員好 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報案的部分部裡面目前的協助當然有一個在工程部分我們有經費協助就是一個4年400億我們跟這部共同攜手然後補助地方在交通工程方面的改善那另外"},{"start":6817.384,"end":6841.497,"text":"也有一些宣導的部分那宣導部分我們當然也有經費在依註那當然整個道安的工作其實是各個部會都要共同努力啦包括警政的部份也有那整個如果說他們整個道安表現的不好因為我們每個月都會召開我們的聯繫匯報如果發現整個他們整個道安表現不好的時候我們會請他們來在我們聯繫匯報做報告"},{"start":6846.14,"end":6867.02,"text":"這個我還是要提醒交通部這個長期以來我們很多的交通建設這個縱北、青南、縱六都然後非六都這個都好像分不到堂吃這個非常非常的嚴重那我想針對這樣一個屏東縣我們很多的人行環境的改善是需要我們交通部挹注更多資源這也要整體考慮我們的財政問題"},{"start":6868.882,"end":6872.664,"text":"議員廖先翔等18人擬具:「鐵路法第五十三條條文修正草案案件事宜。二、審查（一）委員陳俊宇等24人擬具:「鐵路法第五十三條條文修正草案案件事宜。」"},{"start":6894.497,"end":6921.393,"text":"五、今年四月份我們有安排我們的交通委員到仿寮車站來進行考察那當時我們有提出一個仿寮車站的一個大平台計畫那請教一下次長我們目前的進度我想這個整個屏東縣的前線高架齁前面大概有一段已經高架了齁那仿寮車站部分高架我們現在目前是大概是這樣齁把它放到我們的南回線型改善裡面去做齁"},{"start":6922.233,"end":6943.005,"text":"那這個目前的可行性我們已經在4月的時候已經提報到行政院審查。我想後續我們再會在協調行政院盡速來核定這個計畫。這也要拜託高農博要加快速度啦。龍山跟中山這兩個評價到我這個事故跟我們的這個等待的時間都非常的等候。是。還在做我們的飲水的問題啦。是。在這裡我也要拜託楊局長。局長。"},{"start":6946.147,"end":6968.798,"text":"最後再除了訪寮這個高架以外吼我們還有崁嶺南州這邊的鄉親因為這都發生死亡的事故案件吼真的要一併拜託一併考量進去啦吼阿不然這樣到時也是一樣像那些雲霄飛車高高低低這樣起起伏伏真的也是對我們的交通平權很不公平啦這點是不是可以請部裡面再評估一下是"},{"start":6971.861,"end":6991.159,"text":"另外剛剛針對我們觀光署有委員提案針對我們政訓獎勵補助的方案除了花蓮、台東之外要納入宜蘭我記得上次本席在質詢我們觀光署的時候我們觀光署也是很不尊重"},{"start":6993.081,"end":6993.761,"text":"第三案僅進行詢答 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﹏﹏"},{"start":8426.434,"end":8426.854,"text":"第三案僅進行詢答"},{"start":8455.748,"end":8481.838,"text":"下一位請邱若凡委員會,的話你可以多講一點沒關係齁你盡量講啊規則慢走啊謝謝主席,請交通部武次長還有鐵路公司董事長、朱董事長"},{"start":8483.814,"end":8485.759,"text":"響鐘"},{"start":8494.594,"end":8519.268,"text":"市長、董事長今年2月4號的時候台鐵公司表示配合國防演訓的運輸需求正在積極的研議還有改進軍運的方式還有強化軍運的效能滿足國軍未來演訓的準備還有各類運輸的計畫和目標這邊要請教董事長還有市長那在演訓之後我們有研議出改進軍運的方式還有強化軍運效能的作為有哪一些"},{"start":8520.892,"end":8540.037,"text":"各位報告其實我們對於軍運的這個區塊我們都有固定的跟軍方那邊的一個研討會議都是固定成員的那我們每一季我們都會定期去檢討那包括演訓在內"},{"start":8541.345,"end":8557.203,"text":"那我們跟軍方的合作也不只是軍運而已我們在大型演訓的部分我們包括有防毒啊或者是救護啊或者是後送像這種的話我們通常我們也都會納在我們的那個演習的裡面"},{"start":8559.048,"end":8586.142,"text":"二月四號這個演訓之後那有沒有實際的驗證在限定期間內可以一定規模以上的跨區運送能力可以做到什麼樣的程度這個要看軍方提需求軍方提需求所以在那一次演訓之後台鐵跟我們國防部沒有實際的在那一次以後我們例行性的還是照樣很多的一個這個實施例行性的一個軍事運送"},{"start":8590.428,"end":8594.429,"text":"國軍出動救災和其他天然災害的運輸有沒有強化運輸的效率?"},{"start":8604.392,"end":8621.636,"text":"二、審查（一）委員陳俊宇等24人擬具:「鐵路法第五十三條條文修正草案案 案件及後續爭議調閱專案小組．一）委員陳俊宇等24人擬具:「鐵路法第五十三條條文修正草案 案件及後續爭議調閱專案小組．一）委員陳俊宇等24人擬具:「鐵路法第五十三條條文修正草案 案件及後續爭議調閱專案小組．一）委員陳俊宇等24人擬具:「鐵路法第五十三條條條文修正草案 案件及後續爭議調閱專案小組．"},{"start":8632.278,"end":8649.343,"text":" ﹏﹏"},{"start":8650.124,"end":8664.237,"text":"三、市長拍板江平鎮在南宜180公尺並與捷運局限共站。請教市長對於我們桃園市府江平鎮在南宜的目前的設置的意見是如何?"},{"start":8665.34,"end":8685.161,"text":"我想這個事情可能要比較謹慎來做評估為什麼第一個他這裡是已經合定的計劃我的工程連續幣已做了一部分如果我要已的話我這邊做的工程可能會有一些浪費那市長您知道台灣市政府在5月24號的時候有發函堅勤鐵道局嗎"},{"start":8689.743,"end":8711.559,"text":"但是這個是如果依照行政核定的計畫當然必須要因為他那個評估還沒有很正式的去討論所以對我來講一個重大建設我還必須要往前走因為那時候我們臺灣市政府有發函嗎就是要請暫緩建請暫緩憑證有酒站的工程那後來處理的進度"},{"start":8712.567,"end":8739.802,"text":"目前我們是認為這個要先評估完比較明確以後再來看到底要怎麼做要不然我現在就是那個南乙的這車站南乙180公尺的事情因為這個如果沒有把它評估清楚我現在就貿然的停工其實對整個計畫是會有影響的因為現在剛我們現在知道我的供給期收到我的招標不順其實都往後延了我的經費也都往上增了"},{"start":8740.362,"end":8754.932,"text":"那評估的時間大概需要多長的時間?對啊,但是我現在,我們現在剛講這個評估,現在就是要看那個台灣四十五他給我們什麼樣的資訊。因為之前跟我們講又是450,然後又是250,現在從報上又看是180。"},{"start":8759.704,"end":8761.726,"text":"接下來可能會面臨到拆除重工的情形。"},{"start":8780.286,"end":8805.777,"text":"但是我跟委員報告其實我也有接到住在那個地方的反應說不要遷移所以這個當然是要整體去做一個評估我想跟委員做這樣一個報告但是因為為什麼後來會這樣子提出因為他的道路他的路寬只有12公尺而且他非常狹窄腹地不足那未來通車之後也會造成地方的交通問題會造成衝擊所以市政府才做提出"},{"start":8807.313,"end":8807.574,"text":"請陳雪山委員"},{"start":8836.416,"end":8849.902,"text":"請陳學生委員諮詢先找一下杜董事長好不好?請杜董事長杜董早,早上委員諮詢,你們招不到員工"},{"start":8862.059,"end":8889.111,"text":"你一個月3萬塊錢的機工機工人員要有證照他會來嗎?然後晚上還要加班所以你們要去檢討為什麼找不到人?現在大家事業很多啊你們要修改一下嘛可能錢賺的不夠多就怕財務赤字是不是這樣?這個我們已經有在檢討了還有那個竹男啊前幾天找你竹男那個"},{"start":8890.623,"end":8891.183,"text":"主席是不是請次長?吳次長請吳次長"},{"start":8919.369,"end":8938.244,"text":"市長早,今天你代理部長在這邊接受質詢,我出幾個題目給你,你一定無法回答我。我想請問你台灣現在是不是在鬧文化大革命?我早上從這邊樓梯上來,那邊樓梯下去都在講陳雪生怎麼樣怎麼樣?"},{"start":8948.035,"end":8969.301,"text":"我在唱紅啦,很像我在唱紅目前我們金門馬祖金門通水陳俊宇也遭殃也在罵這個馬祖那邊我們缺工缺料交通部你要不要解決我們很多的交通建設馬路建設沒有石頭啊毛腳石沒有啊尤其是離島中的離島這個石頭啊"},{"start":8973.373,"end":8993.712,"text":"一運去要幾十噸大船才去,小船不去,小船又不能靠港,有安全的顧慮。那麼這個石頭要去的話一定水漲船高嘛,要用非常高的費用才能買下這個石頭。有人要去標這樣的工程嗎?沒有嘛。所以我這樣講給你聽你就懂了嘛。那這個石頭怎麼辦?要不要從大陸來?"},{"start":8994.909,"end":9024.481,"text":"台灣沒有大陸來嗎?現在那個石頭上面有沒有寫中國製造我就不懂了可能每一顆石頭要驗是不是中國製造DNA把它弄好不然的話不能用那個石頭裡面含什麼成分以後房子會垮下來台灣很像是個鬼島很奇怪把人家講成都是魔鬼我們缺工缺料還有跟交通部有關係的是觀光業者哀嚎遍野你看"},{"start":9024.946,"end":9053.285,"text":"本來今天要審救國團的條例一萬四千家一萬四千家的旅館業者要來集體抗議你們觀光署要去研究一下去協調一下吧小小一個救國團有多少單位所以我們總召提出來說救國團還給他我是說延長時間給他啦是不是這一點你們回去跟觀光署研究一下好不好還有旅館業者這個缺工啊"},{"start":9054.087,"end":9058.07,"text":"所以我們現在旅館業缺工缺得很厲害,還有營造業缺工缺得很厲害,能不能跟勞動部那邊做個協調,跨部會的協調好不好?這是我們主動來跟他接觸"},{"start":9083.72,"end":9105.715,"text":"前幾天來了22個彩線團成員,彩線團成員到馬祖來,這個算引清兵入關嗎?不算吧?是不是引清兵入關?我們到底是歡迎人家還是不歡迎人家?來了每一個人都把他當魔鬼,來了每一個人都把他當匪諜,誰要來?我們去大陸有這樣嗎?"},{"start":9107.236,"end":9125.745,"text":"去大陸有一個人被扣留,他在看色情片嘛,他自己違法了嘛。所以早上人家問我說,我們台灣的漁船被他們抓去了。我不與之平,為什麼勒?我對事情沒有了解清楚啊,我不方便去評論這個事情。他有沒有違法的我不知道啊。"},{"start":9126.573,"end":9139.899,"text":"如果違反了對方的法律,那沒有辦法。他違反了我們的法律,我們海軍一樣出去抓人嘛,是不是這樣?是,是這樣。所以我是覺得台灣這個社會為什麼搞成這個樣子?你把49台50台電視打開一看,本來執行NCC的題目,拿來問你。藍的罵綠的,綠的罵藍的,天天罵來罵去。藍的那一台永遠不會講綠的好話,綠的五六台絕對不會講他的好話。"},{"start":9155.558,"end":9176.572,"text":"你到南部去的話連TVBS都不見了這是什麼社會啊我們馬祖金門不停的跟對岸我們希望唱和我們希望唱和啊大家和氣嘛對不對對方本來就是我們的情緒啊那你這邊呢卻不...這邊你看我們台灣不時的跟人家在對抗"},{"start":9177.967,"end":9201.872,"text":"他要談統一我們談獨立我們不談獨立嘛希望他也不要談統一兩邊先不談這個事情嘛好好的尤其觀光署的部分你觀光署的政策你要把它列出來你到底現在要怎樣團進團出行不行欸你們回去要去考慮這個事情我不曉得是不是你分管了好觀光署是你分管了嗎欸不是觀光署是另外次長"},{"start":9202.686,"end":9218.073,"text":"部長今天因為沒來,早上我們總召副問題委員提到說部長去哪裡?部長昨天跟我告假去花蓮看災,他去了嗎?昨天確實去了,去了他昨天深夜又回來了。"},{"start":9219.315,"end":9246.097,"text":"深夜十一、二點回來了所以我今天早上得到的訊息還是昨天的他在花蓮看齋當然你跟...也沒什麼事啦副總長也沒什麼惡意啦只是說部長去各縣市看齋也好去幹什麼也好通知一下當地的縣市長嘛不要去分藍綠嘛好不好你分藍綠的話部長只是到綠的縣市去藍的縣市都不去了嗎也不好嘛好不好這一點拜託一下"},{"start":9250.509,"end":9278.582,"text":"我講到文化大革命啊,現在裝鬼嚇人的人很多啊無中生有的人也很多有病啊你懂了沒有社會上有病嗎?奇怪我們立法院裡面也有人有病啊有病去看病嘛,不要在那邊亂啊跑到立法院來亂,亂了嗎?亂哄哄的我是最不喜歡去唱紅的我在馬祖啊,我在馬祖出生馬祖以前就是大陸的嘛是不是?我跟在那裡啊"},{"start":9279.252,"end":9290.445,"text":"所以我都不想講說祖國不祖國的事情你非要逼得我去講我是台灣人啊那台灣人呢你又說我是中國豬是不是我到底是哪一個人我現在搞不清楚"},{"start":9292.093,"end":9317.226,"text":"活生生的一定把他一分為二幹什麼呢?沒有必要啦!所以我想說我們將來把陸客來啊你看我們22個來五龍五師熱烈歡迎我們同胞到馬祖來兩邊要合嘛打仗第一個是金門馬祖欸我們在前線吃炮彈吃了多少炮彈啊?你們沒吃過炮彈嘛對不對?沒有你們沒有吃過啊昨天我看了北韓一個影片啊從"},{"start":9320.123,"end":9348.372,"text":"十七歲到二十七歲沒有任何理由全民皆兵全部都是軍人二十七歲以後才是適婚年齡才開始結婚生小孩他們生小孩盡量生,生越多越好能夠生五個的話可以拿到金正恩同志的斧頭刀女生的話還有金戒指一個上面都有金正恩同志的肖像"},{"start":9349.827,"end":9378.013,"text":"人家是這樣子,我們一定要這樣搞嗎?不要把台灣撕裂了。所以我今天講這個是予以深藏。而是說希望我們官方署團或是客,你跟對方談嘛。你不然鄭文燦市長是民運黨很重要的一個資產,擺在那個海基會,他能夠跟對面談嗎?我現在就可以打電話給國台辦了,他打得動嗎?他打不通嘛,是不是?這個不是這樣談法的。所以我希望你們交通部跟對面,"},{"start":9379.52,"end":9406.978,"text":"能夠往來的,我們盡量能夠唱和,不要去有一些不好聽的話出來好不好?我想回去,你比他有機會跟部長在一起啊。好,我帶回去願意。部長新來的人也非常好好不好?是。你灌輸他一些觀念,灌輸他一些觀念好不好?不是說你幫他教他要唱和幹什麼,而是這個觀念很重要好不好?好。那今天謝謝你,好謝謝。好,謝謝委員。"},{"start":9411.528,"end":9415.311,"text":"謝謝陳學生委員下一位登記質詢的委員林國誠委員林國誠委員林國誠委員林國誠委員不在請張祺凱委員都想出現恰次的來次長請"},{"start":9444.335,"end":9457.128,"text":"主席你好主席你好 主席你請坐請坐 主席今天我要請拜託也要你很全力來支持嘉義兩個很重要很重要的建設這是我們嘉義縣市第一條捷運就是穿過為泰國的"},{"start":9461.713,"end":9465.495,"text":"二、審查（一）委員陳俊宇等24人擬具〈鐵路法第五十七條條文修正草案案〉案"},{"start":9481.403,"end":9497.056,"text":"嘉義市政府又再度興奮給行政院跟交通部。五、能夠落實實現進行中央政府答應我們自己企業市民要前額補助。這個被打回票了幾次大家角力拉鋸了好幾次可是在5月7號"},{"start":9498.337,"end":9515.054,"text":"第二次又再度行文了。現在交通部重新再思考一下。這第一例是若是中央政府答應過第二次的專報的市民。第二次市民不是二等公民。當初同時有做過引導的臺中市的"},{"start":9516.374,"end":9539.711,"text":"三、高鐵路、高價化全部都是政府出的錢,是那假期期要比較負擔的比較多,請再思考一下。五月八號文又來了,好來,我們來講第一案,確定。假期期第一條捷運就是所謂的清軌,你看我們很卑微喔,我不像在台北這樣要做捷運喔,我們只是拉一條清軌而已,已經這麼卑微了。"},{"start":9541.173,"end":9556.147,"text":"那我特別回過頭來,這次清軌對嘉義縣市發展是那麼重要,不是覺得高通而已,對觀光整個產業發展也非常非常的這個重要。這個清軌啊,嘉義縣市辦這個說明會,我特別去參加,喔,嘉義市的管民叫市民,是很運動很運動的,一直說,"},{"start":9560.931,"end":9582.899,"text":"你去台北你要拜託交通部要專業給我們集齊我今天也拜託出定王好不好是要拜託要拜託我剛才講過了全台灣有那麼多的六都大的都市都有捷運了你看我們假期這麼卑微只是要一條清軌而已啊現在上起來我先跟大家講可信性研究報告在5月30假期這期已經通過了"},{"start":9587.013,"end":9613.46,"text":"然後嘉義縣市政府在六月二十四日他們辦了聯合推動小組這個會議也已經過了就是可行性評估中央說今天去評估看可以我們現在評估過了是可行的這當然也是中央答應地方來做的那通過完之後我們在六月二十八號已經把可行性評估送到交通部了現在拜託保證到初點你要做這件事情好不好第一我最近邀請你們來教他我們實地去看這是第一"},{"start":9616.121,"end":9631.099,"text":"就是這個事情運門交通部是由中央統籌來辦理他的綜合規劃包括一些細部的這個設計還有以後的主辦他的發包這個施工你們知道要拼自己的資金或是自己的環節負責的 他的財政跟人力"},{"start":9632,"end":9632.4,"text":"第二案僅進行詢答"},{"start":9652.091,"end":9679.178,"text":"那時候他們報告還沒起來,大家都有一些給他修正意見,初步給他意見,因為看到報告,我才有辦法給他比較正式的。那他現在如果剛剛那個委員講說6月28號上來的話,我想我們後面會依照程序,我們先叫鐵路局先審查。審查就看我們如果比較還缺什麼東西,然後這樣來進行。我想後續我們會依照程序來辦。"},{"start":9680.558,"end":9695.904,"text":"那至於說...第一就是程序加快啦!好不好!我們也要再久啦!拜託一個比較快的好不好!包括鐵路局這邊多幫忙!阿在這要倒三天我剛講過一個重點!不要拚喔!跟他之前我的管政府要去做!老實說!你中央來統籌來辦理好不好!現在是不是...我跟委員報告喔!因為像這種情形在台灣..."},{"start":9700.179,"end":9700.359,"text":"市長,我們來"},{"start":9729.628,"end":9730.969,"text":"主席主席主席主席主席主席主席主席主席主席主席"},{"start":9754.159,"end":9764.456,"text":"若是說這有一個很重要的事情就是中央你當初阿扁也做總統的時候你去跟我們加基齊的市民說的啊第二個當初不是跟我們加基齊講一個總統我們本來的規劃是地下化嘛對不對"},{"start":9765.734,"end":9792.776,"text":"市長你應該知道這個過程嗎?我知道你告訴我地下化花太多錢你往高價那我們就全額補助啊你不能說自己打臉然後跳票你這樣都對不起我們嘉義市的市民啊所以我特別回去跟市民說市長你不要去請署啊特別問大家跟他們拍拖回去拍拖回去現在五月份又來一份喔好不好?好好我來看一看看可以不可以全額補助另外一個工程的問題現在回到一個市內就是最近歐洲本來是2025年的三列就要通車嘛"},{"start":9793.937,"end":9794.857,"text":"二、審查（一）委員陳俊宇等24人擬具"},{"start":9812.185,"end":9812.766,"text":"主席主席主席"},{"start":9838.829,"end":9860.362,"text":"交通部長,可能你負責這鐵道吧,你還有這個鐵道,一起到嘉義我們實地來看一下好不好,我們實地勘查,那盡快把該做的這個工程還有這個審查進度再快一點點,讓嘉義有比較快的,有一條第一條捷運,有一個清軌,然後這個鐵路高加法能夠盡快完成。好,謝謝,我們所有人感恩,謝謝。好,謝謝主席。你兩個台語都會通齁?我有的聽,有的聽沒有啦。你聽沒有?"},{"start":9868.853,"end":9895.779,"text":"聽不懂我就跳過了好啦謝謝齊凱下一位請林沛翔委員發言,林沛翔林沛翔不在,黃國昌委員發言郭昌雄十分鐘夠嘛我還沒吃飯嘛,先跟你報告麻煩有請次長來次長"},{"start":9904.215,"end":9926.331,"text":"委員好市長好,連續上一次我到交通委員會執行的主題也就是台六十一自駕車的案子我們交通部的公路總局花了一億去做這個標案當初這整個標案一開始的時候"},{"start":9927.091,"end":9944.788,"text":"在台61西濱快速道路的點要去做自駕車的實驗大家很擔心因為那邊的車礦、車流非常的危險所以那個時候在推這個無人載具的時候挑台61來當作場域與實驗各方質疑非常的多"},{"start":9950.271,"end":9975.312,"text":"結果發生了大家最不願意發生的事情也就是真的在執行自駕車實驗的時候擦撞的自行車造成了受傷產生的事故啦那還好我上次質詢的時候我說老天有保佑老天有保佑真的還好只是擦傷沒有更嚴重的傷亡那上一次我對於交通部質詢的重點是說"},{"start":9977.173,"end":9998.721,"text":"你們針對台61支架案的實驗到底要不要繼續做這個評估會議應該要由第三方來做應該要由第三方來做因為如果是推動的機關又去參與所謂事後檢討的機制的話這個球員兼裁判嘛並不適合因此你們事後"},{"start":10000.396,"end":10025.121,"text":"上次被詢的是陳彥博次長他說他承諾應該要有個比較公正專業的第三方來進行調查那我今天要問的事情是說那接下來你們建議了經濟部邀請有公信力的第三方單位來檢討整個報告的內容那現在檢討的結果是如何可不可以說明一下"},{"start":10036.424,"end":10057.823,"text":"經濟部技術師吳仁宰暨科技辦公室實驗室的安全評估報告在113年6月13日已經召開。實驗評估的副審會議要等到經濟部的含重會議紀錄以後,他要辦法來帶行研議後續的辦理方向。以上報告。"},{"start":10058.712,"end":10076.272,"text":"所以你還不知道結論是不是現在如果聽起來現在還沒有真正的一個明確的事要怎麼說不過剛提到開放第三單位來檢視我想這是我們會走的一個方向我剛剛在上來備詢以前"},{"start":10077.458,"end":10100.41,"text":"我接到了經濟部來的公文這個計畫決定不予續寫不做了不做了最後的結論我剛上來的時候剛好收到經濟部他們傳來的公文說他們不做了現在問題來了問題來了交通部當初在推這個計畫的時候"},{"start":10102.13,"end":10123.457,"text":"大家都勸告你們不要在台六之一做結果出事了現在經濟部委決定不要再繼續做下去了不要再繼續做下去了那我的問題就來了這一億元的標案怎麼辦現在付了多少錢接下來該怎麼辦"},{"start":10126.192,"end":10148.419,"text":"這不是一百萬的標案這不是一千萬的標案這是一億的標案一億的標案當初建議交通部不要這樣搞啊你們一意孤行就執意要這樣搞下去現在出事了評估出來的結果我剛剛收到經濟部的來函說他們的評估是別再搞下去了"},{"start":10149.404,"end":10166.449,"text":"別再搞下去了就有兩個層次的問題第一個層次的問題第一個層次的問題現在進行到一半的標案要怎麼辦?付了多少錢?付了多少錢?付的錢要怎麼處理?"},{"start":10168.312,"end":10185.806,"text":"這是往後的第二個是往前回溯的當初在推動這件事情的時候不顧外界的質疑不顧外界的批判執意推動結果搞到今天虎頭蛇尾"},{"start":10187.972,"end":10203.502,"text":"讓費了一堆錢搞不下去還產生事故這件事情的檢討我看次長今天上來備詢因為這可能不是您主管的範圍所以你不是很清楚我不為難你但我剛剛所提的那兩個問題第一個"},{"start":10206.128,"end":10227.914,"text":"這個一億的標案到底付了多少錢接下來要怎麼處理第二個回溯回去當初的這個決策到底怎麼做的為什麼不聽外界的建議為什麼聽不進去外界的批判執意要推動推動到今天發生事情了"},{"start":10230.339,"end":10244.287,"text":"這件事情的檢討針對這兩個問題是不是拜託交通部一個禮拜之內提檢討報告跟你們後續打算要怎麼處理給我還有所有交通委員會的委員可以嗎?好可以一個禮拜之內好謝謝"},{"start":10261.648,"end":10269.975,"text":"下一位請蔡易瑜委員發言,蔡易瑜不在鄭天才委員發言,鄭天才不在請陳俊宇委員發言"},{"start":10291.561,"end":10303.074,"text":"好,謝謝主席我們陳學生、趙偉那有請我們五次長跟我們還有我們杜董事長杜董事長請"},{"start":10305.875,"end":10322.93,"text":"市長午安我想今天我們是審查這個鐵路法第四十條的相關修正草案那針對這個部分有規範到鐵路的機構就因這個行車事故及異常事件訂立相關的應變計畫那內容包括這個"},{"start":10325.913,"end":10328.295,"text":"二、審查（一）委員陳俊宇等24人擬具〈鐵路法第四十條條文修正草案案〉案。"},{"start":10348.775,"end":10366.515,"text":"舉例來說在今年的3月23這個宜蘭市城站到宜蘭站之間就因為這個電纜線被剪斷那導致三十列次的這個延誤那累積延誤的時間達到498分鐘影響的旅客更高達3850位那"},{"start":10372.17,"end":10381.684,"text":"這個當下我覺得我們應該是要立即通報鐵道局之後隨時要報請查核並且啟動旅客的這個接駁應變計畫"},{"start":10385.216,"end":10408.863,"text":"那來協調我們這個公路客運業者即時的調度並安排這些旅客可以接駁轉乘讓因為各種事故所造成的這種污點對旅客的影響才能夠降到最低的這種傷害可是我覺得我們可能這部分都沒有去處理那我想請教次長我們對於這個啟動旅客接駁的應變計畫這個有沒有困難"},{"start":10412.192,"end":10428.268,"text":"這個沒有困難沒有困難在我們的鐵路法裡面其實第五十七條第四項其實就有規定這個部分那台鐵局現在他在每一個車站他其實都有跟接駁就是跟客業者有所謂的接駁這樣的一個開口企業我想這個"},{"start":10429.389,"end":10430.649,"text":"二、審查（一）委員陳俊宇等24人擬具"},{"start":10447.955,"end":10458.023,"text":"另外我還是要針對這個部分就是政後的觀光振興部分那我一直以來從4月18號、4月13號、5月10號、6月7號、6月13號分別在我們院會或是委員會甚至書面資料的"},{"start":10464.108,"end":10467.372,"text":"第三（委員廖先翔等24人擬具〈鐵路法第四十三條條文修正草案案〉案。"},{"start":10481.97,"end":10498.656,"text":"從這個端午節連假旅客到宜蘭對半崁還有這個現在暑假了,定房率還是不到這個三成的情況來看我還是主張請交通部是不是可以嚴厲嚴厲嚴厲齁然後讓宜蘭縣納入這一次的這個症候補齋的對象"},{"start":10505.057,"end":10509.559,"text":"市長我跟您說明一下就是這個在6月13號我有當面跟我們李部長這個表達這個意思那部長也答應就是要"},{"start":10533.636,"end":10544.578,"text":"對於6月跟7月的定房率再做一個滾動式的檢討那到目前為止我還是跟我們交通部這邊做一個報告宜蘭縣的定房率還是不及三成"},{"start":10545.506,"end":10563.05,"text":"二、審查（一）委員陳俊宇等24人擬具:「鐵路法第五十七條條文修正草案案案件事宜．一）委員陳俊宇等24人擬具:「鐵路法第五十七條條文修正草案案件事宜．一）委員陳俊宇等24人擬具:「鐵路法第五十七條條文修正草案案件事宜．一）委員陳俊宇等24人擬具:「鐵路法第五十七條條條文修正草案案件事宜．一）委員陳俊宇等24人擬具:「鐵路法第五十七條條條文修正草案案件事宜�"},{"start":10566.931,"end":10590.86,"text":"讓他們在這個政後之後能夠盡快來復甦啦所以我拜託次長就是把這個意見帶回去跟我們這個觀光署做一個詳細的討論之後是不是可以決定讓宜蘭縣仿效台東讓這個自由行的旅客還有這個團體這個旅遊的這些對象到宜蘭的時候可以使用我們的振興的這個補助"},{"start":10591.94,"end":10618.402,"text":"是我想跟委員報告齁這個部分我當然一定會帶回去跟請那個關主他們做研議啦齁當然跟委員報告我個人是覺得在一個地方觀光我覺得活動很重要若只是一味的補助的方式齁我覺得可能不會孤單啦所以應該是帶辦幾個活動讓他瞭解地方的特色在哪裡好玩在哪裡我相信再貴也有人要來對"},{"start":10619.81,"end":10626.526,"text":"依然現在辦活動絕對是沒問題啦是那因為0403依然花蓮台東是同樣一個這個觀光廊帶"},{"start":10628.973,"end":10654.366,"text":"那花蓮台東你像現在你觀看國道五號車流量已經明顯減少了國道五號明顯減少以前是這個暑假期間可能每天都塞車那現在看起來還是車輛在國道五號上寥寥無幾不會塞車的狀況所以就很明顯就是往台東花蓮的這個遊客也減少了所以相對的到宜蘭的遊客也會減少"},{"start":10655.567,"end":10674.138,"text":"因為你在旅行業者看來他們在一些套餐上面都是宜花東及日遊。阿你現在花蓮台東沒有人要去宜蘭就沒有人要去了。但是我跟委員報告齁我得到訊息就是國五的齁到宜蘭的這塊他的車輛跟"},{"start":10677.967,"end":10698.195,"text":"已經恢復到以前了,大概3萬9左右喔。不是,那應該是,不是每天啦。對,因為現在已經暑假期間嘛齁,暑假期間我想,包括依然也有什麼同萬節這些齁,我想這幾個活動辦出來,我覺得大家就會想去啦。這個我想這是,那當然我覺得政府也願意來協助齁,怎麼樣讓這個觀光把它促進啦。"},{"start":10700.037,"end":10708.088,"text":"還是拜託市長盡量幫我們宜蘭來爭取,看能不能再這一次納入。另外還有一點,我跟趙偉再借兩分鐘時間。"},{"start":10709.867,"end":10734.976,"text":"在宜蘭縣以前引以為傲西南有一個車站叫羅東車站當時這個車站應該算在民國73年來看應該是非常美麗的一個車站那現在被評比是全台灣最醜的車站繼這個中壢車站之後現在變羅東車站那因為在一些遊客他看起來這個羅東車站的外觀"},{"start":10738.274,"end":10762.227,"text":"有一點神似這個不是廟就是像那個殯儀館的感覺所以我覺得我們在現階段因為未來這個宜蘭鐵路要高架羅東車站應該也是做新的會建置新的車站那在現階段是不是有什麼辦法可以稍微整理一下不要讓這個最醜的車站跑到宜蘭"},{"start":10766.694,"end":10777.005,"text":"市長我們來想想看好不好因為審美觀念真的是見仁見智啦在民國73年齁"},{"start":10781.009,"end":10806.341,"text":"這個車站絕對是最富麗堂皇然後符合這個大家認為說是漂亮的一個車站可是這個時代變遷現在因為殯儀館的建築物也是仿效這種方式在建置所以我在此就建議說是不是短期內有什麼方式我們可以稍微做外觀的整理一下那長期的未來我們要設置的羅東車站一定要融入這個在地的元素"},{"start":10806.921,"end":10833.12,"text":"我們建置一個比較這個符合大家所期待的一個新的車站好這我請那個台鐵公司在那邊演一下看短期有沒有什麼我看起來我覺得還不錯啊還不錯我都覺得還不錯還可以啊不是最醜啊我覺得沒有最醜啊感覺董事長有沒有什麼想法看這個照片是只是覺得這個車站門面有點凌亂對需要整理"},{"start":10834.602,"end":10859.222,"text":"稍微整理一下啦,簡單整理一下啦好不好?好,那就以上就拜託我們交通部這邊幫忙啦齁。重點就是那個振興的部分啦,請次長再幫忙一下。好,以上謝謝。你把它改玄天上帝廟嘛。好,謝謝陳紀委的發言齁。開玩笑,大家開玩笑。"},{"start":10861.052,"end":10887.685,"text":"登記質詢委員均已經發言完畢,做以下的決定報告及詢談完畢。二、委員楊瓊英林國成所提書面質詢列入紀錄並刊登公報。三、委員於質詢中要求提供相關書面資料或未及答覆部分,請交通部盡速以書面答覆。針對鐵路法等二案做以下的決議,均令則其繼續審查。"},{"start":10890.455,"end":10896.196,"text":"本次會議本次的議程處理完畢散會辛苦了各位謝謝"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}