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準備質詢立委阿今天都白準備啦不用質詢啦你王帝直接出來喊散會就算了嘛"},{"start":4278.749,"end":4300.814,"text":"你不要浪費大家時間中加兵也一樣你不是會議主席我沒有什麼意見你要到底下趁著質詢控黨這立法院的慣例委員會之間你關心別的委員會議題這立法院慣例所以外交國防委員會的委員你要到內政去關心本來就委員的職責你是召委是主席欸"},{"start":4306.872,"end":4310.174,"text":"王定宇你是主席耶你是召委耶我想請問一下今天我們這些官員來這裡都當笨蛋嗎沒有關係啦主席不在齁我就自動質詢啦官員不用上台因為主席沒叫你上來我自動質詢啊我來自動質詢一下齁我質詢質詢完也不用等他宣布了啊我第一要質詢的是梁文傑副主委"},{"start":4338.032,"end":4340.293,"text":"丁少岸你跟我講沒有爆料人沒有爆料人啦自由時報兩個記者不是人啦你的陸委會主委邱隨正不是人啦沈伯陽不是人啦什麼叫沒有爆料人你不敢約談人啦不要這麼瞧不起沈伯陽沈伯陽很努力很認真的爆料結果你跟我講沒有爆料人沒有爆料人"},{"start":4368.752,"end":4383.877,"text":"我本來也要問問我們五個單位直接洩題沒關係反正看今天也問不成了我這邊問完沈博洋說兩個月前曾經通報國安單位來來來國安局長我們的蔡明彥局長沈博洋是跟國安局通報的嗎我要問問法務部我們的調查局我們的法務部沈博洋是跟法務部通報的嗎"},{"start":4398.314,"end":4412.438,"text":"還是今天沈博洋是跟陸委會跟我們梁文傑副主委通報的還是跟文化部通報的還是跟國家通傳會通報的你通報總有個通報對象嘛沈博洋要不要交代一下因為我們副主委梁文傑迷路啦他迷路啦找不到人啦人在他眼前他找不到啊他找不到啊"},{"start":4427.028,"end":4439.036,"text":"你趕快出來自動報到舉手齁省不了舉手梁文傑我在這裡啦我在這啦我們文傑兄對不對老朋友了啦借你名字一用啦直接去找梁文傑報到他找不到人很辛苦我也找不到人啦王定宇找不到人啦"},{"start":4448.991,"end":4463.934,"text":"本來想要在這邊幫忙協詢阿好心幫我們文傑兄協詢結果不只沈伯陽我們文傑兄找不到他我們連王帝宇都不見蛋阿我這個協詢的美意沒有辦法繼續下去阿所以呢我就要問阿活生生的人文傑兄你都沒看到不好吧對沈伯陽委員不尊敬不尊敬下一個就要問阿"},{"start":4479.738,"end":4506.941,"text":"一家媒體東森電視台辛辛苦苦經營他的一個新聞的品牌就是以發現真實然後呢報導新聞甚至包括監督整個國家的政策作為職質東森新聞台一直都是大家很尊敬的新聞台阿就今天自由時報"},{"start":4508.84,"end":4512.402,"text":"自由時報齁這個媒體的公信力我懶得說啦但重點不是自由時報欸自由時報報導之後抱歉啦我們陸委會主委就出來說卻有其事啊補刀欸主委補刀欸啊卻有其事是什麼事我們文傑副主委"},{"start":4534.912,"end":4541.357,"text":"要不要把我們的爆料人邱隨正也尋訪一下問問看到底是怎麼個確有歧視法啊主委都說有這件事啊然後呢還有民進黨的立委沈伯陽也說有這件事啊還兩個月前就知道神知道神預言啊已經去通報了啊那現在是怎麼樣你不給交代"},{"start":4563.015,"end":4566.718,"text":"那你今天對得起東森新聞這麼多年來經營的品牌嗎?好好的新聞台一個假新聞民進黨整個政府在附和然後就去糟蹋人家新聞台的名譽啊糟蹋人家新聞台的公信力啊這樣的政府這樣的執政黨你對得起對得起新聞自由這四個字嗎?"},{"start":4592.881,"end":4604.365,"text":"那我要問NCC啊自由時報造謠之後多少的電視台開始報導這件事情沈柏洋大放厥詞請問算不算不實新聞以前不實新聞我們NCC不是很嚴格嗎有沒有查辦所以今天我們來這裡啊大家來關切我們的國安問題我看到了很簡單啊吳子嘉董事長已經告發了"},{"start":4623.63,"end":4642.193,"text":"吳子嘉董事長出來告發阿他直接告新華社記者涉及內亂罪阿我本來很想問問我們的法務部阿內亂罪怎麼辦我今天問不到抱歉我沒有辦法問到因為我們有一個散彈匣王定宇阿不見了阿我沒有辦法透過在執行台上去問我們的部長阿我沒辦法阿我現在問說內亂罪怎麼辦法務部內亂罪要怎麼辦吳子嘉告發了阿"},{"start":4654.517,"end":4658.879,"text":"然後要叫到你傳喚四個人四個梁文傑看不到的爆料人四個啊 吳子嘉點名四個啊文傑副主委看不到的爆料人啊兩個就自由時報記者啊還有就是文傑兄的老闆啊我們的邱主委啊第三個就是天眼通的沈伯陽啊本來今天可以透過質詢好好讓大家知道"},{"start":4684.721,"end":4692.266,"text":"到底我們今天針對丁少岸我們政府的態度是什麼?拿出作為出來沒有?排了這樣的一個委員會今天的議程稍微跑掉啊我還是那句話我還是那句話請問王定宇你底下樓下缺你一個人嗎?"},{"start":4714.773,"end":4717.894,"text":"你反正站著主席台有你沒你主席台也是被站著阿有你沒你主席台也是被站著阿缺你一個人嗎你搞這麼多官員在這邊虛耗你是要幹嘛認證我們官員反正也是閒閒沒事做在行政院上班跟在這邊枯作反正沒差別你是這個意思嗎王定宇你這個意思嗎你要當召委要召集會議"},{"start":4744.915,"end":4761.903,"text":"就好好主持會議我質詢完了不需要這個主席本人已經是排名第一個質詢因為我代替王定宇質詢他連自己的質詢都糟蹋了登記第一號質詢自己糟蹋自己已經消失30分鐘了消失30分鐘了你上來好好主持會議底下的秀場留給同志"},{"start":4775.253,"end":4801.916,"text":"有這麼難嗎?缺你一個人嗎?而且兩個好兄弟耶,聯合起來,不容易啊不過王定宇我跟你講,你不是第一名啦因為你是起碼讓大家報告完你就跑掉了,質詢全部都沒開始我們最厲害的宗嘉賓齁,開會及休息一開會第一句話宣布休息跑了,一個小時齁"},{"start":4804.784,"end":4822.466,"text":"一個叫半斤一個叫八兩啦就這樣子爛兄爛弟啦散彈雙俠謝謝我們王定宇把第一順位質詢讓給我我們今天是立法院有史以來第一次無主席質詢沒有召委沒有主席的質詢"},{"start":4824.299,"end":4838.36,"text":"對沒有召委沒有主席的質詢就是王定宇散彈雙峽的二師兄大師兄是宗家兵二師兄創造了先例我的質詢到此我要去司法法治委員會質詢了謝謝大家謝謝"},{"start":7172.025,"end":7195.045,"text":"來 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對不對到底查了什麼嘛到底哪些單位被滲透了我們該怎麼調查調查的結果是什麼大家都很想知道好奇怪喔怎麼我們的召委不想知道呢"},{"start":7389.96,"end":7411.647,"text":"那今天你排這個案子到底什麼意思呢今天想要開會不讓人家開會霸佔主席台不讓人家開會今天要開會你可以站在主席台可以冠冕堂皇你完全合心合理的站在主席台來主持開會你也不開會請問一下民進黨是怎麼樣真的是心血小偷嗎"},{"start":7413.007,"end":7438.607,"text":"我想請問一下 如果王定宇委員想要做薪水小偷 我們不願意啊對我們這些官員 不都是我們納稅人錢 你們今天一日所得 不拿嗎好啦 不要一日所得 半日所得吧 半日所得不是也應該 也應該拿嗎大家很辛苦 我看啊 有些還要在這邊 拿著手機啊 在這邊 或者是看著公文啊 在這邊趕快來再做一些公務 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突然這個問題不重要了"},{"start":7592.915,"end":7609.519,"text":"王帝宇這個問題不重要嗎?第五縱隊不重要嗎?你對得起沈伯陽嗎?對不對?沈伯陽這麼重視第五縱隊管他真議題假議題了解一下啊沈伯陽兩個月前他就知道有那個中媒在盯梢我們的媒體啊你不是要調查嗎?現在是怎麼樣用記書杯葛不讓那個什麼官員講話嗎?天底下有這種道理喔"},{"start":7620.649,"end":7645.331,"text":"所以在這邊你看我講著講著都快10分鐘過去了啦我們的召委仍然不見人很奇怪我要特別的鄭重的呼籲真的我們作為立法委員不要當薪水小偷該開會就要開會不要用技術杯葛那而且這個案子也是你自己排的不是嗎哎呀好太好了我們召委終於回來了"},{"start":7646.584,"end":7673.273,"text":"辛苦了 趙偉上個廁所上那麼久各位我們休息到下午兩點半 官員回去辦公 謝謝不讓我講了 你看大家辛苦了 浪費時間有沒有 浪費時間休息到兩點半 那你們前面在幹什麼呢 對不對 被王弟耍了對不對什麼叫沒收 沒收開會的是你好不好 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