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條條文照行政院提案與提案內容相同之各委員提案與委員賴瑞榮等人修正動議通過。"},{"start":1946.394,"end":1948.296,"text":"19.第17條條文照案通過20."},{"start":1948.296,"end":1956.126,"text":"第18條條文照行政院提案與提案內容相同之委員或聽委等人提案與委內內容等人修正通過21."},{"start":1956.126,"end":1958.949,"text":"第三章張明照案通過22."},{"start":1958.949,"end":1961.733,"text":"第19條至第21條條文均照行政院提案"},{"start":1962.934,"end":1981.029,"text":"與內容相同之各委員提案及委員賴日榮等人修正動議通過。23.第22條及第3條條文遵照行政提案內容相同之委員羅廷偉等人提案與委員賴日榮等人修正動議通過。24.第24條條文遵照行政與提案內容相同之各委員提案及委員賴日榮"},{"start":1981.93,"end":2004.361,"text":"等人修正動議通過。ﷺ第25條條文造行政院提案通過。ﷺ第26條條文造案通過。ﷺ第27條條文造行政院與提案內容相同之委員羅廷偉等人提案。ﷺ結尾賴岳榮等人修正動議通過。ﷺ第28第4張張明造案通過。ﷺ第29第28條至第31條條文軍造行政院與提案內容相同之羅廷偉"},{"start":2005.021,"end":2008.424,"text":"等人提案及委員賴日榮等人修正動議通過。30."},{"start":2008.424,"end":2012.767,"text":"第32條條文照行政院及委員羅天惟等人提案通過。31."},{"start":2012.767,"end":2017.491,"text":"委員陳淑月等人第32條條文不予通過。32."},{"start":2017.491,"end":2020.353,"text":"第33條條文照行政院提案通過。33."},{"start":2020.353,"end":2025.657,"text":"第34條條文照行政院提案及委員羅天惟等人提案通過。34."},{"start":2025.657,"end":2032.543,"text":"第35條及第36條條文均照行政院與提案內容相同是各委員提案及委員賴日榮等人修正動議通過。"},{"start":2034.064,"end":2058.807,"text":"35.第5章張明照案通過36.第37條條文修正通過除第1項第2款修正為全國植物診療施工會聯合會外其餘造型論提案通過37.第38條條文照案通過38.第39條條文修正通過除第2項及第3項修正為全國植物診療施工會等人質均修正為全國植物診療施工會聯合會外"},{"start":2059.728,"end":2077.078,"text":"取依照行政院提案通過。319第40條條文修正通過,除首句、句中、職業、團體等文字,修正為社會行政外。取依照行政院提案通過。40第41條條文修正通過,除第1項、第2款,修正為全國植物診療師公會員合會及第2項首句。"},{"start":2077.958,"end":2090.577,"text":"修正為前項理事兼市民而在三人以上時外其餘照行政院提案通過第42條條文修正通過除聚中職業團體等文字修正為社會行政外其餘照行政院提案通過第43條條文"},{"start":2094.017,"end":2117.31,"text":"趙行政院及委員 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我們意思錄確認現在進行討論事項請宣讀依據修正後《立法院職權行使法部分條文》相關規定．討論成立本會有關進口雞蛋執行情形調查專案小組及運作要點草案等相關事宜。宣讀完畢好"},{"start":2193.086,"end":2214.563,"text":"本例已曾排定依據修正《立法院職權行使法部分條文》相關規定．討論成立本委員會有關進口雞蛋執行情形調查專案小組以及運作要點草案等相關事宜。．我們現在進行發言請委員自主席台登記"},{"start":2220.404,"end":2225.869,"text":"登記後依序發言主席台並作以下的宣告每位委員發言的時間3分鐘"},{"start":2251.004,"end":2254.957,"text":"好我們現在請第一位登記發言的陳廷飛委員請做發言"},{"start":2273.352,"end":2288.725,"text":"謝謝主席我覺得今天我們在昨天憲法法庭在處理緊急處分的整個過程然後全國都在看這樣的直播然後今天我們經濟委員會"},{"start":2290.886,"end":2307.312,"text":"來召開這樣的一個所謂要成立調查專案小組還有運作要點草案的相關事宜我覺得有點奇怪而且時間有點讓大家有點質疑因為為什麼這麼說光為什麼我們要做緊急處分"},{"start":2311.874,"end":2331.96,"text":"大家知道我們光在調查權的問題到底監察院的調查權還有檢調的調查權還有立法院的調查權這三個範圍到底要怎麼界定到底要怎麼去執行各個區別而不要有跌床架屋"},{"start":2332.58,"end":2360.916,"text":"大家都還在討論當中而且在事先當中甚至是為什麼要做緊急處分也就是在整個都未釐清之前我們如果讓這樣的一個未經過充分討論的條文上路那麼就會讓整個執行行政的部門完全無法去了解他們的定奪跟定調那麼今天更好笑的是"},{"start":2361.957,"end":2384.973,"text":"我們除了我們在釋憲是不是有違憲的部分甚至我們現在又在處理一個我們自己對於這個條文都已經在違規的狀況這個條文都還在做緊急處分然後呢我們就自己在針對條文裡面的內容在做愉悅的動作"},{"start":2386.226,"end":2410.046,"text":"大家有看到《立法院職權行使法》這個是我們認為要釋憲的這個條文這個條文的部分裡面所寫的有一個裁判確定前之訴訟案件就其偵查或審判所為的處置及其卷證立法院不得行使調查權"},{"start":2411.167,"end":2438.278,"text":"有沒有看得非常的清楚在立法院職權行使法也就是我們認為違憲的這個職權行使法第46條之二這裡面就已經給你寫得很清楚了裁判確定前之訴訟案件就其偵查或審判所為之處置及其卷證立法院不得行使調查權那麼"},{"start":2441.38,"end":2465.153,"text":"對於一個我們認為違憲的條文國民黨自己所提出的現在還在違規違法這是不是很離譜然後什麼叫確立檢訴訟案件即其偵查或審判剛剛好這個案子臺北地檢署他們自己的新聞稿說"},{"start":2466.826,"end":2494.272,"text":"他們這個案子9個月都在進行當中我們也去調所有的資料了解說到底這個案子有哪幾個單位在查我們知道的臺北地檢署也在做了而且是112年5月就在動作了臺北調查處、高雄地檢署、彰化地檢署、台中地檢署也都已經在動作了因為他們也都對外"},{"start":2494.992,"end":2521.135,"text":"有作帳的一個宣誓然後呢除了農業部續產會都有在被調查當中農業部在今年6月7號也自行移送臺北地檢署調查然後監察院也在112年9月也開始進行調查我覺得國民黨在你們的所有新聞資料裡面掉一掉都看得到啦"},{"start":2522.128,"end":2543.939,"text":"都已經有檢調調查都已經有監察院調查了我們今天要怎麼去成立這一個所謂的專案小組調查專案小組還要去給人家成立所謂的運作要點草案有沒有看清楚看清楚啦各位民眾委員會的條文裡面已經自己在違規違法啦"},{"start":2546.56,"end":2560.929,"text":"這到底在做什麼?立法院難道都沒有一定的標準嗎?還是國民黨現在要成立什麼調查會就可以成立什麼調查會?要成立什麼專案小組就可以成立什麼專案小組嗎?所以我們請"},{"start":2562.39,"end":2584.286,"text":"國民黨委員看清楚《立法院職權行使法》第46條之二裁判決定前之訴訟案件就其偵查或審判所為之處置及其卷證立法院不得行使調查權很清楚謝謝接下來我們請邱映委員請做發言"},{"start":2591.65,"end":2615.504,"text":"好謝謝主席主席既然現在是程序發言我可不可以請教一下今天的討論事項的文字依據修正後立法院職權行使法部分條文相關規定請問主席您今天排定的議程是依據立法院職權行使法哪一條條文來排定主席"},{"start":2616.653,"end":2626.035,"text":"主席請不要滑手機好不好請發言現在是發言請發言可以現在發言你你一併發言完要程序我們依照依法來組織議事現在是請各位委員請發言一個人3分鐘因為我們後面還有委員我們後面還有委員經濟委員會都是最"},{"start":2645.781,"end":2646.202,"text":"法定人數不足"},{"start":2649.849,"end":2673.113,"text":"好 現在是每一個委員發言3分鐘好啦 主席 我知道你不敢回答如果依照剛剛我走過來的時候張祺凱委員很清楚地講這個條文已經在立法院通過了所以就可以開始實行如果是照你們剛剛這樣講的話那你就是依照立法院職權行使法第46條之2開始來排定這個議程嘛 對不對"},{"start":2676.454,"end":2683.12,"text":"你不敢回答我我可以很清楚告訴你依照立法院職權行使法第46條之二這個裡頭很清楚寫到這個是你們國民黨跟民眾黨委員通過的條文很清楚寫裁判確定前之訴訟案件就其偵查或審判所為之處置及其卷證立法院不得行使調查權"},{"start":2705.638,"end":2722.614,"text":"這是其一其二調查委員會成立之後其他依法應獨立行使職權的機關亦本於職權進行處理相關案件調查委員會得停止調查換句話說"},{"start":2724.775,"end":2750.665,"text":"換句話說這個所謂你們要查的超私的案子112年5月檢調已經開始在進行調查檢調依他們的職權甚至監察院也依他們的職權在進行調查就國眾兩黨通過的立法院職權行使法第46條之二"},{"start":2753.318,"end":2765.616,"text":"現在立法院是不應該也不能夠成立調查委員會即使你成立了之後你必須要停止調查這是依照"},{"start":2767.948,"end":2790.883,"text":"國民黨民眾黨通過的所謂的立法委員職權行使法所以我剛剛才會請教主席你是依照哪一條法令來排定今天的報告案今天的成立調查委員會的案子第一你不敢回答我第二如果依照你們通過的這個版本"},{"start":2791.804,"end":2812.152,"text":"依照你通過的這個版本我先不談它有沒有違憲你們通過了這個版本在調查當中的案子檢調在調查當中的案子立法院不得越卷不得調查即使在這個之前成立的委員會在調查當中的案子我們也要停止調查權結果法是你們過的現在要帶頭違法也是你們太好笑了吧"},{"start":2821.857,"end":2832.302,"text":"主席啊回去墊高枕頭想一想啊要擴權的也是你們說要行使調查權也是你們通過這個法以後首先要帶頭違法的也是你們滑天下之大雞啊真的滑天下之大雞啊你們昨天被大法官打臉臉還不夠腫嗎還不夠腫嗎你們今天真的還要這樣子違法硬幹懸崖勒馬吧"},{"start":2852.804,"end":2854.207,"text":"謝謝 我們接下來請賴瑞榮委員請做發言"},{"start":2863.438,"end":2884.411,"text":"主席各位我想立法院立法委員即使在行使職權也不能夠違法那我們還是要呼籲今天這樣的一個如果要通過這樣的一個專案小組事實上是違法的我們還是要提醒立法院其實作為立法者更應該遵守法律更應該來依照法律來行事那我提一下有四點的一個建議第一個"},{"start":2885.131,"end":2909.509,"text":"昨天大家也看到了這個國會的立法院的職權行使法已經提出釋憲昨天大法官也開始在做處理了那事實上大家有談到緊急處分的部分這個也就是大家擔心說這個過程中的時候可能會對於既有的一些包括行政權包括司法權產生一些侵犯上的問題所以大家有這樣的一個要求昨天也非常的清楚大法官有非常多的一些擔憂"},{"start":2910.47,"end":2930.255,"text":"那這個時間點再來排這樣的一個調查專案調查的部分有可能會侵犯到了這個司法的部分我們認為其實並不恰當我認為其實在台灣狀況下司法尊重司法是大家基本上的一個要求那既然這樣狀況下我認為今天立法院至少在這樣狀況下應該尊重整個"},{"start":2932.215,"end":2949.424,"text":"大法官釋憲最後的結果再來做處理我認為是比較恰當的如果這時候強行來通過的話我認為其實這個將來一樣是有違憲的疑慮我認為立法者不應該帶頭來違法違憲這是我第一個主張第二個是這個在這件案件其實在112年的5月"},{"start":2952.327,"end":2971.241,"text":"法務部這個地檢署就已經在查了包括臺北、彰化、高雄、台中都有在查了也都有在調查了那這個在進行當中包括在今年的6月7號因為大家的質疑所以農業部也已經移送把整個案件全部移送去做調查"},{"start":2972.162,"end":2997.375,"text":"那我認為其實這件事情司法已經在進行相關的調查當中了我們認為應該尊重司法的調查立法院這時候再去成立一個這個專案的小組來干涉到司法甚至影響到司法我認為這個並不恰當特別是在大法官的釋字第729號裡面有談到偵查中的案件立法院不得調閱"},{"start":2998.556,"end":3025.859,"text":"那這個部分大法官已經非常清楚的一個明示了在調查中的案件立法院不得調閱4至729號我認為其實立法院再怎麼樣大都不應該超越到憲法超越到法律的一個規定所以今天如果要再成立這樣一個調查小組事實上是侵犯到司法權大法官4至729號你再次的清楚這個偵查中的案件立法院不得調閱"},{"start":3028.327,"end":3046.676,"text":"這個從去年的5月司法院地檢署就已經在偵辦當中了偵查當中包括今年的6月7號農業部已經再次的送給這個法務部地檢署這邊在做相關的偵辦了我們認為應該尊重這個偵辦同時也尊重大法官釋字這樣的一個解釋"},{"start":3047.737,"end":3066.976,"text":"那再來是剛剛大家也都提到了齁即使是不論事件結果最後怎麼樣子事件當中不論結果最後怎麼樣的狀況下當時在藍白多數下通過的立法院職權行使法第46條之二都提到了採辦確定前之訴訟案件就其偵查或審判"},{"start":3067.857,"end":3094.791,"text":"所謂是處置及卷證立法院不得行使調查權立法院不得行使調查權立法院不得行使調查權很重要講三次藍白自己通過的法如果連你自己都能夠違法的話那人民怎麼能相信立法院怎麼能夠相信這個立法呢人民又怎麼樣遵從這樣的法律的規定所以我們認為今天要來成立這個專案小組是違法違憲的我們呼籲立法者"},{"start":3095.592,"end":3106.292,"text":"應該尊重人民尊重國家尊重制度不應該通過這樣的一個專案小組好謝謝好謝謝我們接下來請邱志維委員請做發言"},{"start":3121.826,"end":3123.467,"text":"委員發言 登記發言 你是登記第4位"},{"start":3135.473,"end":3136.073,"text":"為什麼本席在這邊"},{"start":3164.059,"end":3181.355,"text":"告訴大家 成立這個專案小組基本上是一個違法成立很明顯的幾個大法官事線第585跟729對偵查中的相關的卷證 立法院不得調閱這樣違憲不?"},{"start":3184.144,"end":3212.002,"text":"李偉憲吳維懷某當然違法按照剛通過在藍白兩黨合力之下通過的毀憲亂政的立法委員職權行使法部分條文第46條之二的規定偵查中的卷證立法院不得行使調查權這個案子有沒有在行使調查有沒有在偵查有啊"},{"start":3213.474,"end":3227.962,"text":"幾個地檢署都在偵查 調查局也在偵查所以這很明顯是屬於偵查中的卷證立法院不得行使調查權你今天要成立這個專案小組你要行使調查權 是不是就違法違憲一個違法違憲的這個調查小組我們市立法院 各位 諸公 都是立法者"},{"start":3240.39,"end":3262.955,"text":"立法者不能拜託違法而且46字案是你們主導事項所通過的然後你們是拜託違法如果你今天成立所謂這個立法院經濟委員會違法成立這個進口雞蛋調查專案小組本席也要成立一個針對立法院經濟委員會"},{"start":3265.679,"end":3287.05,"text":"違法成立進口雞蛋成立調查專案小組,我要成立這個調查專案小組。我成立,針對你今天成立這個違法的調查小組,我要成立這個調查小組,要調查你。楊瓊英主席召開成立這個調查,如果今天你強行要成立這個調查小組,一個違憲違法的這個調查小組,"},{"start":3292.185,"end":3315.933,"text":"那我要立刻成立一個調查小組,針對你這個違法的這個成立我組成一個專案小組我如果成立這個小組,我反而是合憲合法因為他不是偵查中,也不是調查中我可以把你相關的決議可以調出來,也可以把你楊求英主席也可以調你來問,提供相關的卷證"},{"start":3317.884,"end":3341.759,"text":"所以一個明顯違法違憲為什麼這個基本上普羅大東都可以了解這個違法違憲的這個小組竟然能夠提上議程來討論匪夷所思華天下之大雞啊立法院難怪這個被全國人民所憂慮跟詬病為什麼這個"},{"start":3343.577,"end":3371.324,"text":"這一屆成立到現在全國老百姓最擔憂的就是立法院相關的運作相關的立法成立那麼多毀憲亂政的這個通過那麼多毀憲亂政的法案成立那麼多毀憲亂政的小組來破壞這個行政立法或者調查監察的這個分際把所有的權力獨攬到立法院"},{"start":3372.674,"end":3374.294,"text":"謝謝 接下來我們請蔡易瑜委員請做巡檔"},{"start":3421.575,"end":3440.324,"text":"謝謝主席主席我們今天基於立法院職權行使法然後說要來成立這個雞蛋的一個調查小組但是就我們很清楚的知道在112年的5月那至少有臺北地檢"},{"start":3441.701,"end":3469.113,"text":"高雄地檢、彰化地檢、台中地檢都有來開始在調查所謂雞蛋的一個狀況所以這件事情檢調就代表國家的檢查機關都已經發動那至少農委會就農業部在今年6月的時候也有主動把本案相關的卷證都已經移送給臺北地檢署"},{"start":3470.29,"end":3485.006,"text":"所以很清楚的這個案件現在是在法務部這個檢查機關他是一個憲法賦予他獨立行使職權行使國家賦予他的偵查犯罪的偵查權"},{"start":3487.355,"end":3510.884,"text":"所以你這樣說起來：大法官4至729號就講得很清楚：這個屬於偵查權：是國家進行犯罪的偵查追溯：那基於權力分立跟制衡的原則：我們必須保障檢察機關獨立行使職權：對於偵查中的案件：檢察官不得向其調閱相關卷證："},{"start":3513.223,"end":3534.391,"text":"不得這個是400這個是4至729號公六甲請測所以我們今天針對監偵查中的案件難得被刑死難得被還成立這個調查小組調閱都不可以了我們還要調查小組基本上今天這樣的一個開會就已經違反了4至729號的違憲了"},{"start":3537.492,"end":3544.457,"text":"我們今天這個會這樣定於違憲啊,人家就說不行,我們就硬要開門,生意有一股危啦,廟公吼,念經吼,沒比較積在回想啦。就是說你是廟公,你如果要賣賣吼,要賣房子,你賣房子感受什麼比較有房子啦,廟公比較沒積在回想啦。"},{"start":3561.641,"end":3577.533,"text":"所以我們立法委員我們幹嘛要把自己擴權然後要把手伸到了這一個檢察官地檢署的一個手上而且更荒謬的是我們在通過這個立法院職權行使法藍白一起要強行通過的46條之二"},{"start":3580.055,"end":3603.055,"text":"至少也有載明這一段,至少這一段也是在4至729號,他的精神都放進去,雖然放了也不完全,因為你們沒有講到說所謂牽結的案件,所謂不起訴的案件,他的調查的方法,但是至少也有講嘛,至少也有說吼,就以偵查中所謂的處置或卷證,立法院不得行使調查權"},{"start":3605.083,"end":3613.106,"text":"每次都說得這麼清楚：大法官也說得這麼清楚：昨天的處理：大法官針對這一次違憲擴權的法案的一個暫時處分：昨天的規定而已：大法官還問說：有立即的違憲嗎：謝謝趙偉你讓全國的國民看到立即的違憲的風險就在我們經濟委員會今天的開會"},{"start":3633.665,"end":3633.765,"text":"主席"},{"start":3657.881,"end":3665.568,"text":"大家好那其實剛剛前面幾位委員他們在講的都是針對超思雞蛋但是呢我們很明顯的本委員會今天要討論的是有關進口雞蛋執行情形調查專案小組跟作業要點跟超思有什麼關係呢我現在先拿出來請大家仔細看這個是什麼"},{"start":3686.621,"end":3703.351,"text":"總統府公報第7728號民國113年6月24號大家仔細看上面寫什麼總統令所以這是總統府公報的上面寫的一清二楚總統賴清德我是想要問"},{"start":3708.215,"end":3717.384,"text":"這個是完整經過完備的法制程序三讀通過的法為什麼民進黨自己不尊重民進黨的委員為什麼會不尊重賴總統所公布的這個總統令呢"},{"start":3723.51,"end":3725.112,"text":"如果民進黨的委員不接受不同意為什麼賴清德總統還要公告呢?如果真的違憲的話就是賴清德總統帶頭違憲"},{"start":3738.464,"end":3755.972,"text":"在座的委員們是在跟賴總統唱反調嗎?在座的委員們是在跟賴總統內鬥嗎?為什麼總統府公告的你們大家都說是違憲呢?所以呢我本席想要知道就是說"},{"start":3758.267,"end":3783.758,"text":"調查小組的必要性難道大家都不覺得調查小組有其必要性嗎?全民難道都不想知道真相嗎?你們大家都不想知道真相嗎?還是其實在座的民進黨委員都已經知道真相只是因為真相如果被查出來不能看所以百般的阻擾今天調查小組的成立"},{"start":3784.838,"end":3785.038,"text":"本期再給你們看"},{"start":3814.605,"end":3830.976,"text":"第8章總統公布的第8章裏面第45條裏面就寫得很清楚立法院為有效行使憲法所賦予之職權得經院會同意設立調查委員會或經委員會之決議設立調查小組"},{"start":3838.466,"end":3843.875,"text":"對相關議案或立法委員職權相關之事項行使調查權跟調閱權這上面寫的一清二楚一清二楚在總統公布的這個總統令上面所以呢"},{"start":3855.271,"end":3855.631,"text":"好 謝謝接下來我們請張祺凱委員"},{"start":3900.645,"end":3916.563,"text":"謝謝主席請所有的立法委員：包括民進黨的立法委員：跟人民站在一起人民要真相我們民進黨的立委不要一直只是在護衛行政部門把立法院職權閹割了"},{"start":3919.039,"end":3940.196,"text":"把自己當行政院的立法局．變成行政院的打手人民要真相需要成立有關進口雞蛋執行情形調查專案小組其實民進黨今天在會議上講的上星期在交通委員會叫司法的聯席會議都講過一輪經過辯論"},{"start":3944.997,"end":3963.088,"text":"後來也成立啦 民進黨後來沒有再抗議這個 民進黨只有抗議什麼不要聯席 不要聯席 不要交通委員會 不要交通委員會跟司法委員會聯席所以今天我們把它單純化 今天的小組 是由經濟委員會"},{"start":3968.271,"end":3997.291,"text":"單獨成立．沒有像進電視的弊案調查小組是兩個委員會的聯席沒關係請尊重我的講話請重講話等一下你第二輪可以繼續講這案通常剛剛嘉靖有講了操司只是其中的一部分立法院當然有職責啊人民要真相啊整個進口蛋為古年的巴西蛋一直到前年日本蛋不是只有操司喔"},{"start":3998.552,"end":4000.914,"text":"用的是我們人民納稅錢啊"},{"start":4025.253,"end":4038.54,"text":"第二個要清楚當初怎麼接上線啊沒有關上勾結這個不用查嗎請民進黨的立法委員面對現實給人民真相為什麼不查呢這樣對得起人民嗎我覺得今天最重要的是我們收到人民的戶頭第一個把人民的納稅錢要勘緊第二個要有真相人民的態度已經是那麼清楚了"},{"start":4054.039,"end":4054.059,"text":"好 謝謝"},{"start":4086.909,"end":4088.478,"text":"接下來我們請謝依鳳委員請做發言"},{"start":4097.503,"end":4120.262,"text":"主席各位本委員會以及所有的媒體先進大家早安其實我們剛才要澄清的就是民進黨所說的我們要在這裡對所進行的進口雞蛋做審判我們沒有地檢署的審判權我們沒有地檢署的調的那個實行他檢調的權利也沒有"},{"start":4123.044,"end":4136.943,"text":"法院審判的權利我們在這裡只是對於行政院的進口雞蛋的這樣子的執行來進行調查權的形式那這根據的是6月24號"},{"start":4138.866,"end":4151.434,"text":"我們賴清德總統所通過的新的職權行使法的第45條來行使的那剛才民進黨委員有提到的根據46條之二部分"},{"start":4154.216,"end":4158.74,"text":"那到底會不會跟目前檢調在進行辦案調查的相關的範圍會有重疊的部分我認為這需要上代調查小組成立之後我們與農業部對於相關檢調在進行的案件以及我們整體就是行政院對於進口雞蛋執行去年的情況"},{"start":4182.739,"end":4206.659,"text":"我們來做相關的討論那對於檢調進行的部分我們是不是就不調那對於我們需要了解政策執行的部分相關的這些資料我們也行使調查的權利那希望在委員會可以公諸給所有民眾了解去年進口雞蛋"},{"start":4207.279,"end":4208.3,"text":"接下來我們請鄭天才委員請做發言"},{"start":4250.743,"end":4276.861,"text":"主席、各位委員今天是針對有關進口雞蛋執行情形調查專案小組以及運作要點草案剛才民進黨的委員、我們的同仁一再的提的都是已經調查的我們這裡沒有針對已經調查的"},{"start":4279.867,"end":4301.419,"text":"是整個進口雞蛋我們如果從去年來看農業部啟動專案進口措施從美國、日本、澳洲、巴西、土耳其、菲律賓、馬來西亞、新加坡、泰國等國家進口雞蛋"},{"start":4306.482,"end":4331.81,"text":"沒有針對哪一個已經當然我們要依賴清德總統所公布施行的立法院職權行使法的修正條文來辦理所以已經在調查的訴訟判決確定之前我們當然就不調查不列入在這個地方"},{"start":4333.417,"end":4362.75,"text":"所以這個並沒有寫說是哪一個案我們沒有寫哪一個案這是第一個第二個剛才也有提到說昨天憲法法庭針對緊急暫停處分如果我們從憲法法庭昨天的那個快速不對配合之快我們就可以了解到更應該要去"},{"start":4364.54,"end":4391.137,"text":"成立這個調查小組從來沒有一個案這麼快何況現在還沒有做成處分還沒有做成判決我修正了憲法法庭對於所提的暫停處分也還沒有做判決我們要依憲法"},{"start":4392.318,"end":4421.725,"text":"依法例來執行．所以．有什麼好擔心的呢．我們不應該擔心．我們是為了人民．立法委員都是為了人民．來去進行我們的前者．所以我們根據立法院三讀通過的條文．我們根據賴總統依憲法的規定．所公布施行的條文．"},{"start":4423.562,"end":4445.222,"text":"來進行成立這個調查專案小組以及運作要點所以這個部分請大家能夠基於這樣的一個我們立法院的前者來辦理以上謝謝好謝謝謝謝鄭委員我們接下來請鄭正前委員請發言"},{"start":4456.725,"end":4472.778,"text":"謝主席今天安排了就是有關於就是有關進口雞蛋執行情形調查專案小組還有運作要點的一個草案那我在想說因為總統令這邊的時候其實很清楚所以剛剛很多委員大家在討論都是針對"},{"start":4474.679,"end":4492.273,"text":"第46條之二的部分因為大家也認為今天能夠召開這個專案小組成立的這樣的一個討論的時候就是因為針對46條之二那我個人從這個46條之二的法條上來看的時候因為46條之二的時候在第二項的部分他指針對"},{"start":4493.534,"end":4513.198,"text":"其偵查或審判所為之處置或其卷證在這個範圍當中不得行使調查權我們肯定是尊重因為是我們立出來的一個法所以我們今天針對的部分並不是針對超失個案的部分而是針對整個進口雞蛋的部分所以剛剛有很多委員也都提到了因為"},{"start":4513.678,"end":4529.11,"text":"整個進口雞蛋的範圍其實相對是比較廣的那所以說並不是針對整個的一個目前檢調他們在查的這個部分那針對第46條之二的部分第三項的部分他也有做了一個補充的一個說明他說當我們這個調查"},{"start":4531.973,"end":4552.006,"text":"委員會第2小組成立之後那如果其他依法應獨立行使職權的機關以本於職權進行處理相關案件時那我們調查委員會第2小組可以停止調查所以說這個部分我們現在在做的一個部分就是因為民眾都非常非常關心就是從111年以來整個"},{"start":4552.586,"end":4564.454,"text":"但黃所導致的一連串的一個問題那當然我們知道現在檢調確實在某一些部分還有介入個案的一個調查那農業部他有他也有在做一些反應可是我們發現農業部的一些反應是跟我們"},{"start":4568.396,"end":4568.656,"text":"委員會主席"},{"start":4594.248,"end":4601.992,"text":"討論是不是要得停止調查我們專案小組這部分而不是應停止所以我覺得這部分事實上是我們這個小組成立之後能夠繼續對於整個雞蛋相關進口事件"},{"start":4610.536,"end":4610.576,"text":"謝謝 以上"},{"start":4637.964,"end":4646.402,"text":"好 謝謝曾正琴委員 謝謝現在我們進行二輪發言有登記第一位我們是邱奕穎委員請做發言"},{"start":4655.49,"end":4669.962,"text":"第二輪發言感謝剛剛國民黨的委員對於這個立法委員職權行使法的這個法條修正的過程內容再進一步的闡述那我想要再進一步的詢問跟請教"},{"start":4672.244,"end":4690.266,"text":"剛剛大家一直在談這個法是由賴清德總統公告你們剛剛念的職權行使法只念了一部分我們一直在質疑的第46條之二你們連看都不敢看連讀都不敢讀連念都不敢念那剛剛鄭正前委員也特別提到"},{"start":4691.508,"end":4707.308,"text":"這個成立叫做有關進口雞蛋執行情形調查專案小組嘛對不對所以你們不是只有查超私我必須告訴大家111年進口雞蛋的廠商兩家一家叫亮彩一家叫超私112年有4家"},{"start":4711.393,"end":4726.231,"text":"所以,檢調要查的話,會是全部都查,檢調也不是只有查超私,也不是只有查亮彩,檢調叫做全部都查,全部都查就會落到您剛剛所說的"},{"start":4729.034,"end":4757.117,"text":"這個在調查中的檢調在調查中的案件立法院是不是應該要停止調查立法院就不能來成立這樣的一個調查小組剛剛張家俊委員一開始說不是查超私最後又講說超私的案子難道大家不想知道嗎其實我們也很想知道但是檢調在調查監察院也在調查如果按照你們剛剛一直念的"},{"start":4758.497,"end":4774.505,"text":"總統公告的立法委員職權行使法立法委員：立法院是不能成立不能行使這樣的調查權但是在第46條之二的第三項剛剛政政前委員也很清楚講到最後一句"},{"start":4775.605,"end":4798.505,"text":"調查委員會得停止調查正常來講應該是要寫應停止調查但是這個由國民黨民眾黨通過的法條寫得停止調查也就是剛剛鄭正前委員所說的你們可以自行決定你們要不要停止調查因為他是得不是應那"},{"start":4799.486,"end":4810.68,"text":"照您剛剛的解釋這不是擴權這不是違憲那什麼才叫擴權什麼才叫違憲明明都在法院的調查裡頭在檢調的調查裡頭了而由立法委員自己去解釋說"},{"start":4816.147,"end":4837.722,"text":"我可以我得停止調查不是我應停止調查很顯然這個法條在立的過程裡頭就已經漏洞百出這是根據剛剛各位委員所說的第三點我要提到鄭天才委員臺大法律系畢業你說關鍵資料你們不調閱請教一下"},{"start":4843.158,"end":4865.538,"text":"請教一下檢調在調查的資料是不是關鍵資料檢調已經把所有的資料通通調到檢調單位裡頭去了然後你們在這裡成立一個調查委員會那你說關鍵資料你們不會去調閱你們會去避過那請問你成立這個調查委員會要幹嘛你這個調查小組你要查什麼"},{"start":4867.233,"end":4888.564,"text":"所以喔 你們不要再講了啦 你們越講漏洞越多啊 自己被打臉打得越腫 我剛剛已經說過了張祺凱你不要叫我們起義來歸 這沒有什麼起義來歸 反而是你要起義來歸你的頭腦要清楚 你當了一輩子的媒體人 怎麼會在最後這半年歪成這樣 壞成這樣呢 腦袋壞成這樣呢"},{"start":4892.079,"end":4892.8,"text":"二輪發言 張祺凱委員"},{"start":4915.646,"end":4941.629,"text":"我不好意思說邱委員腦袋不清楚啦因為他腦袋非常清楚不過時間差完全弄錯了你有時間上很大的錯誤你剛才說檢調單位去年四家前年兩家都要查嗎你知道檢調現在在查什麼嗎地檢署現在在查什麼因為去年發生巴西蛋的這個超市的案子很多人去案名申告對不對"},{"start":4943.203,"end":4961.079,"text":"有嗎?秋瑩秋瑩,想換嗎?你時間差是不是有問題?地檢署現在有沒有在查經營的事?沒有這個案子,你趕快去案例申告才有可能。我再重複一下,我再重複一下,現在地檢署在查什麼案?因為去年的巴西超濕蛋,發生了"},{"start":4963.014,"end":4981.919,"text":"讓會人民的民始民高．裡面黑幕重重．所以有很多人包括立法院去北檢各個地檢署按齡申告對不對那大家很生氣的立法委員開始在重新執行之前北檢高國威當木頭人全部停擺連相關的人連被告一個都沒有傳"},{"start":4983.786,"end":5010.62,"text":"立法院不該問嗎?立法院不該回應民意,幫民意去發聲嗎?如果那時候立法委員,包括我本席在內,沒有問,北檢這個案子會重新好查嗎?這是第一次,第二次,第三次,邱委員剛才說的,你說有在查另外的兩家嗎?如果不是我們這兩三個月窮追猛打,說還有一個超私,不是只有去年的巴西蛋,前年還有日本蛋,還有一個亮柴跑出來,"},{"start":5012.839,"end":5026.171,"text":"這是新的東西欸 秋瑩 腦筋清楚一點你連這個案情都搞不清楚很清楚 你剛開始罵人 腦袋不清楚你連最基本的時間都搞不清楚 真相都弄不清楚"},{"start":5031.099,"end":5042.792,"text":"現在是我的時間所以現在我們公開會議請大家弄清楚請大家弄清楚剛剛邱委員講的只有那時候去安寧申告去北檢的那些狀況而且北檢到現在"},{"start":5044.619,"end":5061.376,"text":"還沒有好好查第二個我們這個專案小組還要往前推包括前年日本的超市蛋跟量產到底是什麼關係這是一個點第二個我要非常倚重心長的然後講心情有點沉重的講拜託一下民進黨的立委"},{"start":5063.28,"end":5079.739,"text":"回到人民這邊好不好你們現在一直站在立法委那一站在行政院那邊把我們當成一個小小的立法局一直在閹割自己的前線啊你們閹割自己當心裡的小偷不打緊你現在偷我們下水我們成立一個調查小組回應民意有什麼不好讓人民知道真相啊"},{"start":5081.26,"end":5105.296,"text":"怎麼會違法違憲呢?在釋字585包括整個憲法這個規定裡面本來各自就是不一樣的我們的立法權裡面有我們立法委員該做的你說真的我們調查小組調查完之後真正有問題需要糾正要彈劾的送到監察院去對不對?真正有刑責的還是要送到地檢署去啊"},{"start":5106.328,"end":5123.868,"text":"有刑者你要不要起訴後來法院會判刑後面也是要走啊那如果民進黨這樣把立法院關起來算了請你們回應民意民意呼聲那麼高進口雞蛋從去年到全年那麼多問題浪費多少人民的民脂民膏裡面黑幕重重沒有關山勾結嗎"},{"start":5125.41,"end":5137.691,"text":"立委跟那些民眾都已經安寧申告了北省不好查到現在進度這麼慢為什麼要阻擋我們調查小組的這個調查請回到人民這邊給人民真相幫人民那稅錢省下來把真相追清楚謝謝"},{"start":5139.164,"end":5140.625,"text":"賴慧如委員"},{"start":5163.634,"end":5177.328,"text":"謝謝主席、各位委員我想這個追求真相給人民交代這是大家的要求也是一個目的但現在最好的方法就是透過檢調、透過司法來調查清楚我認為以台灣現狀的話"},{"start":5179.149,"end":5200.454,"text":"立法委員在人民的信任度倒數第二名由立法院來調查跟由司法院來調查誰信任我比較相信司法院會把真相查得清楚所以到底有沒有不法 有不法當然讓司法來查清楚那如果沒有不法的話就應該還給公務員跟還給所有的人清白司法調查中我認為其實是最好的方式"},{"start":5201.094,"end":5217.031,"text":"這時候透過立法院政治的手伸進去處理我認為不是一個好的方法同時間有可能是擴權有可能是違憲那還是回到這個來談剛剛很多的委員們談到台北地檢署地檢署也特別在這件事情在6月27號發了一個新聞稿出來他說的是"},{"start":5220.154,"end":5235.539,"text":"臺北地基金署受理告發進口雞蛋相關貪賭、詐欺、偽造文書等案件持續向農業部、中央續產會等機關調閱資料進行資金清查並指揮法務部調查局、臺北市調處積極偵辦當中並無延旦情勢本案的檢察官將試進度來做適當的偵查作業"},{"start":5243.661,"end":5263.559,"text":"很清楚地檢署已經很清楚的在做這樣的一個進度的一個調查跟說明那裡面也談到不只是超市案是連所有的進口雞蛋都在查這跟今天想要通過的是一致的包括貪賭、詐欺、偽造文書的部分這個也都是"},{"start":5265.401,"end":5280.902,"text":"這段時間來大家告發的行為所以由地檢署司法來偵辦我相信是最恰當也最適合也最沒有任何的爭議的這時候立法院要另外再繞過一個途徑來訂定這個專案小組逾越到司法權"},{"start":5282.023,"end":5310.189,"text":"立法委員的公信力會比司法更高嗎?會比法更高?如果立委真的這麼認為那你應該轉職啦改去當法官改去當檢察官比較適當不是當立法委員立法委員是立一個法座讓司法機關去進行他的相關職責這個才是五權分立的精神所以我呼籲立法院不要逾越到自己的職責再來我還是要強調即使在大法官的釋字729號也講得非常的清楚"},{"start":5311.426,"end":5326.42,"text":"檢查機關代表國家進行犯罪之偵查及追溯基於權力分立與制衡的原則保障檢調檢查機關獨立行使職權對於偵查中的案件立法院自不得向調閱不得調閱相關的這個證券"},{"start":5328.863,"end":5343.723,"text":"所以這個已經非常清楚大法官再次強調偵辦當中的案件這一個就是講到的裡面的雞蛋進口雞蛋相關的貪賭、詐欺、偽造文書全部都在偵辦當中那如果所有的資料都已經被"},{"start":5345.604,"end":5368.209,"text":"這個地檢署在偵辦當中了那我們成立這個要調什麼依照剛剛國民黨委員講的你說我們不會去涉及到這些資料關鍵重要的資料如果地檢署沒調走那地檢署在辦什麼還能辦出公信力的案子嗎那如果重要資料他都已經調走了那成立這個立法院成立這個的目的又要在幹什麼你能夠調到時候你要去批評這個資料沒給我那個資料沒給我"},{"start":5370.629,"end":5385.184,"text":"所以我的意思是說這個時間點最關鍵的其實應該是靜候司法的調查讓司法還原真相有不法就辦沒不法就還原清白再次回到強調不只是這個大法官四次這樣講"},{"start":5386.465,"end":5416.185,"text":"自己通過的這個違憲疑慮現在這個釋憲都在進行當中好歹尊重一下嘛都在釋憲進行當中這時候成立這個專案小組你不是在跟整個司法體制跟整個大法官的會議整個在做挑戰嗎我認為至少尊重司法讓大法官的會議做出釋憲的決定之後再來進行退一萬步來講就算你要弄也很清楚知道立法院不得行使調查權在這個偵查中的"},{"start":5422.507,"end":5441.212,"text":"現在所有的雞蛋相關的貪賭、詐欺、偽造文書全部都在調查中全部都依你就算你通過了法都不應該行使調查權所以我們呼籲藍白立委不要再違憲違法了這樣的作為不是在查真相這個作為只是在違憲違法"},{"start":5442.412,"end":5445.373,"text":"好 謝謝接下來我們請張家俊委員那麼我們後面還有陳廷飛委員做二輪發言那我們就截止登記 謝謝"},{"start":5467.537,"end":5488.428,"text":"主席我就想要問民進黨到底在怕什麼到底在怕什麼為什麼不願意把真相公開剛才邱映穎委員說其實檢調可以查所有的案子啊我現在想要質疑的是民進黨委員現在已經是可以指揮檢調辦案是不是所以他可以指使檢調說你全部案子要查呀為什麼我們可以查我們不自己查還要交給檢調你看四字585號裡面就說"},{"start":5498.053,"end":5512.238,"text":"國會應有調查權不是要調閱資料是要自行調查檢調查了一年多了一年多了不公開而且也沒有進度那委員為什麼不相信自己呢為什麼不相信說我們可以一起合作民進黨、國民黨、民眾黨"},{"start":5517.64,"end":5540.777,"text":"我們三黨的委員一起合作在經濟委員會成立調查小組把真相公布給民眾讓大家可以知道這對民進黨也沒有任何的不利啊只要是沒有不法對任何的黨都沒有任何的不利而且不只是超思絕對不只是超思要查的有這麼多包括說"},{"start":5543.695,"end":5549.777,"text":"這個農委會補貼中央續產會買蛋的運送冷鏈相關的補助竟然多補了而且呢理由是未依採購法所以要追討回368萬的補助款這個這些錢如果不是這一段時間立法院立法委員一直在委員會質詢的話我們連我們失去了"},{"start":5573.706,"end":5576.668,"text":"多補了368萬都不知道,你們相信這是唯一一件嗎?本席認為肯定不只這一件,一定有非常多需要查清楚的真相。"},{"start":5593.721,"end":5595.602,"text":"所以過去發生的類似的問題我們是不是應該積極把它還原把真相還給人民所以本席在這裡認為"},{"start":5605.839,"end":5613.124,"text":"成立調查小組是有其必要性成立調查小組是有其必要性剛才已經講了總統公佈的這麼清楚假設就像你們講的是違法違憲的話為什麼賴總統要公佈賴總統是帶頭違憲嗎本期在這裡強烈的質疑所以"},{"start":5627.214,"end":5643.346,"text":"請民進黨的委員我們是不是一起共同的來合作一起三黨共同合作把真相調查出來這樣子你們也可以洗清這種可能也許這是你們的冤屈啊大家一直說這個是民進黨所主導的我們把真相公諸於世的話對民進黨也是有好處的為什麼一再的阻撓呢"},{"start":5654.861,"end":5655.343,"text":"陳婷菲委員"},{"start":5665.738,"end":5689.868,"text":"謝謝主席齁首先我們沒有阻擾我們認為要調查清楚現在檢調都在調查了監察院也在調查了每一個體系可以調查行使調查權的都在調查了所以我們沒有害怕民進黨沒有害怕甚至"},{"start":5691.408,"end":5710.123,"text":"農業部也在今年的6月7號把所有相關的案子都已經自行移送臺北地檢署來調查所以沒在怕的調查清楚我們也希望檢調監察院趕快以最速的速度"},{"start":5711.384,"end":5728.178,"text":"公開給所有台灣人民知道這一件所謂的超私蛋到底是怎麼一回事所以我們希望檢調查清楚希望監察院查清楚但是今天比較奇怪的邏輯是說為什麼我們都要交給檢調那所以立法院未來就是檢調囉"},{"start":5737.981,"end":5755.196,"text":"我們不是有權責的劃分嗎?當時我們說違憲就是因為檢調有調查權監察院有調查權如果立法院有調查權他的範圍跟他的所施的職責要怎麼去論斷"},{"start":5756.924,"end":5765.134,"text":"這個就是大家都還沒說清楚講明白也沒有討論清楚就這樣直接過關大家認為這有違憲的問題所以沒有害怕調查我們是認為這邏輯有問題而且我們所說的"},{"start":5776.673,"end":5792.265,"text":"立法院職權行使法就算我們現在我們民進黨團已經把它送所謂釋憲的階段而且昨天也對於緊急處分已經開了憲法法庭"},{"start":5793.683,"end":5818.895,"text":"那這重不重要就是因為總統簽字了我們認為這是行政程序總統不能不簽啊如果總統不簽國民黨又要罵了所以簽字我們趕快緊急處分可是緊急處分之後昨天憲法法庭大家看得很清楚有不同的論述而且也看到很多人被問到啞口無言"},{"start":5820.856,"end":5835.464,"text":"所以緊急處分在進行當中我們今天針對立法院職權行使法說要成立調查專案小組好我們再把這個立法院職權行使法再拿出來看更好笑"},{"start":5837.731,"end":5857.839,"text":"國民黨自己就又在違規違法因為46條之後就已經跟你講了裡面就算是我們不認同這個法可是我們在把這個法拿出來因為剛剛有人說這個法是總統已經簽訂的但是我們再次強調現在在做緊急處分"},{"start":5858.439,"end":5869.849,"text":"我們就拿這個法來看這個法裡面就跟你講了如果訴訟的案件在偵查或審判已經在調查了立法院不得行使調查權講得這麼清楚這也是國民黨一直在捍衛的這一部法立法院職權行使法國民黨一直在談的可是國民黨在談的自己現在又是違規違法了"},{"start":5886.587,"end":5914.645,"text":"再一次強調,判決確定前之訴訟案件,就其偵查或審判所為之處置及其卷證,立法院不得行使調查權。所以剛剛已經講了,你們從所有的媒體google一下對於這一個超市蛋有多少個檢調已經在查了包括地檢署包括調查處都在查了監察院也在查了"},{"start":5915.97,"end":5935.105,"text":"那請問我們可以去行使調查權嗎?這是你們白抓黑你寫的喔這是你們國民黨自己所寫的所提的喔那難道我們現在在做違規違法的動作嗎?先不要談違憲囉現在憲法法庭在執行當中但是又違規違法了所以今天要怎麼成立?太好笑了吧!"},{"start":5948.213,"end":5976.628,"text":"好 謝謝那我們今天經過一輪二輪各位委員都充分討論過了那我們現在就你還要發言嗎各位同仁剛剛是已經截止發言我尊重大家還要不要再給先鋒委員一個發言還是大家要不要三輪要不要我尊重大家剛剛我是有宣告那要不要"},{"start":5978.646,"end":5978.666,"text":"請宣讀"},{"start":6007.199,"end":6023.162,"text":"我們依法處理議事規則我尊重各位委員請宣讀為查明政府因應淡荒而陸續啟動之進口雞蛋相關措施維持情況之依立法院職權行使法第8章會議請我們經濟委員都最理性齁好啦等一下再講啦要求有關機關就特定議案涉及事項提供相關調查資料"},{"start":6036.104,"end":6040.011,"text":"在列就已經違憲違法已經違法違規了啊這已經違法違規了啊沒有啦這已經違法違規了啊已經違法違規了"},{"start":6050.333,"end":6053.756,"text":"請問各位同仁剛剛議事組人員宣讀過成立進口雞蛋執行情形調查小組請問有沒有異議"},{"start":6077.152,"end":6090.457,"text":"請問有沒有異議?你沒有異議齁?好,休息。"},{"start":6103.108,"end":6122.932,"text":"主席鬧跑開會不要走主席鬧跑啊現場的人沒過半哦主席都鬧跑了摸著你們的良心啊違法違憲"},{"start":6136.342,"end":6137.247,"text":"法定人數不足"},{"start":6166.013,"end":6166.935,"text":"委員會主席"},{"start":6174.28,"end":6174.68,"text":"委員會委員會委員會"},{"start":6200.801,"end":6201.462,"text":"委員會主席"},{"start":6223.466,"end":6223.907,"text":"委員會主席"},{"start":6243.629,"end":6256.799,"text":"好 謝謝我們繼續開會請問各位同仁成立進口雞蛋執行情形調查專案小組請問有沒有異議沒有好 謝謝那無異議我們通過"},{"start":6259.271,"end":6277.864,"text":"我們現在進行運作要點草案請宣讀立法院經濟委員會進口雞蛋相關措施及預算執行必端調查專案小組運作要點草案依立法院經濟委員會依立法院職權行使法第8章調查權之行使及立法院第11屆第1會期經濟委員會第20次會議決議"},{"start":6281.346,"end":6304.868,"text":"成立進口雞蛋相關措施及預算執行弊端調查專案小組,以下簡稱本小組。2.本小組運作除有關法令另有規定外,依本要點行之。3.本小組由經濟委員會以下簡稱本會,全體委員組成之。4.本小組至召集人一人,由參加本小組成員互選。"},{"start":6305.869,"end":6333.465,"text":"負責處理小組事務並代表本小組對外發言。5.本小組會議需有委員三分之一出席方得開會,其決議以出席委員過半數同意行之,但在場出席委員不足三人者,不得一決,必要時得以祕密會議方式行之。6.本小組會議有關連署或附屬人數,準用本院各委員會會議之規定。"},{"start":6336.167,"end":6342.652,"text":"7本小組運作期間自民國113年7月11日至113年12月31日但經本小組決議得延長之資料查閱時間為每週一至週五上午9時至下午5時8本小組成員行使調查職權時"},{"start":6357.866,"end":6373.264,"text":"應親自為之並署名於查閱登記部查閱人員負保密義務對機密文件不得抄錄、攝影、影印、送讀、錄音或為其他複製行為亦不得將文件稀離查閱場所或洩漏之"},{"start":6374.065,"end":6393.757,"text":"前項機密文件如被調查機關拒絕提供時﹐該機關應以書面示明機密之種類及原因﹐並於三個工作天內﹐送交本小組存查。9.本小組對外行為得以本會名義為之﹐本小組成員未經決議不得以本小組名義對外發言。10."},{"start":6396.789,"end":6409.743,"text":"本小組調查文件之對象為農業部及相關部會但經本小組決議亦得增加調查對象本小組擬調查之文件應經三人以上提案並經本小組決議通過調取之"},{"start":6412.385,"end":6432.521,"text":"調查文件以副本為原則。十一本小組會議召開時﹐得邀請被調查文件之機關首長﹐率同有關人員列席說明﹐受邀請者非有正當理由不得拒絕出席及說明。十二本小組為因調查文件需要﹐得附相關單位查訪﹐並得詢問於本"},{"start":6434.062,"end":6456.828,"text":"案相關之人士或諮詢專家學者本小組會議召開及調查文件時得必聘請專家學者陪同調查及針對調查內容表示意見。傾向專家學者之人選以二人為限由召集人提名,全體本小組成員表決之。十三,被調查對象在調查期間"},{"start":6458.198,"end":6472.334,"text":"應指派專人將調查文件送達指定場所以供查閱並由本會派員管理及副保管責任。十四未行使調查職權必要時經本小組一立法院職權行使法第59條之二規定舉行聽證會"},{"start":6475.517,"end":6488.476,"text":"15本小組提出調查報告及處理意見應經本會決議調查報告書及處理意見未提出前工作人員、專業人員、保管人員或查閱人員負有保密之義務"},{"start":6490.031,"end":6515.174,"text":"不得對文件內容或處理情形予以揭露,涉及依法令應秘密事項者,應予保密並以秘密會議處理之。16本小組所需工作人員由本會職員擔任,必要時得依立法院職權行使法第49條規定,請求院長指派專業人員協助。17本運作要點由本會通過後施行,修正時異同。宣讀完畢。"},{"start":6521.153,"end":6536.287,"text":"請問各位委員通過的作業要點草案有意義因為當中有幾個字我們經過議事組這邊所以我們現在先休息協商"},{"start":6748.168,"end":6748.768,"text":"首先第一點在於這個"},{"start":6777.54,"end":6797.955,"text":"提案的部分我們把提案相關措施及預算執行弊端這一塊弄成與今日的議事日程相符合這是第一個裡面有兩塊涉及的部分那第二個部分因為是已經成立專案小組所以裡面有本會這一塊我們就修正小組那第三點在第13點的這一塊"},{"start":6799.861,"end":6812.871,"text":"第2行以供查閱並由本會派員修正為以供查閱並派員有本會這三個字刪除第4點在第14點的部分第2行第59條之2規定舉行聽證會修正為第59條之2亦決舉行聽證會以上就照運作要點通過報告完畢"},{"start":6823.715,"end":6836.54,"text":"好謝謝各位同仁剛剛祖密所宣讀的經過協商我們的作業要點請問有異議好那我們作業要點通過"},{"start":6841.892,"end":6854.591,"text":"本委員會決議成立有關進口雞蛋執行情形調查專案小組且通過作業運作要點草案"},{"start":6856.107,"end":6871.58,"text":"那我們現在依照運作要點的規定本小組至召集人一人由參加本小組成員來互推請問各位同仁請推舉召集人曾振杰委員"},{"start":6877.334,"end":6886.883,"text":"我們經過鄭振賢委員﹚玉琳委員﹚天才委員﹚嘉峻委員﹚謝一鋒委員﹚昌明委員一致推舉張祺凱委員為召集人"},{"start":6897.042,"end":6911.647,"text":"好那謝謝各位同仁我們今天經過詳實的二輪發言正式完成本日議程處理完畢謝謝大家議事主任辛苦了媒體朋友辛苦了謝謝好今天議程散會"},{"start":6936.194,"end":6939.555,"text":"主席主席"},{"start":6962.038,"end":6962.218,"text":"主席"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}