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"text":"法院許可停止羈押而命應遵守一定事項者仍違反相關命令則科與三年以下有期徒刑並科三十萬以下罰金另外增訂第163之二條則是鼓勵被告自首或是自動到案以節省"},{"start":2374.764,"end":2392.886,"text":"有限的司法資源並鼓勵被告自新因此增訂此條。所謂自動到案無論是傳喚到案或是通緝中自動投案應該都可以屬之。本期剛剛看了法務部的相關的意見我想針對163之一以及163之二各有看法。"},{"start":2393.246,"end":2410.974,"text":"但一百六十三之二看得出來法務部是相對來講比較正面的一個回應是不是這個樣態或說一定時間裡面應該要給予這樣子的一個自守自動到案的一個期限本事也予以尊重也因此我們也希望能夠再進一步的做這樣子實質的討論"},{"start":2412.535,"end":2439.034,"text":"法務部可以提出相關方向或是請法務部在我們逐條審查的時候提出實務上怎麼樣一定時間裡面能夠有自動投案的一個期限那163之一我們想可能要凝聚更多共識但我們的初衷以及出發點都還是希望能夠改善過去荒謬的一些狀況而進一步讓我們國家更能夠正常穩定以上謝謝"},{"start":2441.278,"end":2442.918,"text":"主席各位委員今天司法法制委員會"},{"start":2470.168,"end":2496.907,"text":"立經了多年的等待我們今天終於排審了有關於刑法相關修正條文針對妨礙司法公正罪的審查走到今天這一步真的等了非常非常的久2017年司改國事會議向台灣社會做出了莊嚴的承諾說"},{"start":2500.472,"end":2522.923,"text":"我們針對權貴的犯罪屢屢發生棄保潛逃我們針對有權有勢的人竟然可以透過關說司法來幫特定政治上有影響力甚至富商"},{"start":2530.08,"end":2555.237,"text":"來進行改變不管是法官還是檢察官他們本來應該要依法審判依法訴追犯罪所作的決定這對於司法的公正性是一個嚴重的挑戰也是一個嚴重的傷害法律之前人人平等"},{"start":2556.218,"end":2581.235,"text":"是一個法治國家所應該遵循的基本原則。然而當我們看到當一般的社會大眾感受到權貴在我們的刑事司法體系當中果然不一樣不管是貪賭金融重大的經濟犯罪"},{"start":2582.472,"end":2601.432,"text":"面對這些權貴我們司法體系所表現出來的竟然是判得慢跑得快即使最後被抓到了還可以早早的就假釋出獄"},{"start":2603.644,"end":2626.653,"text":"這樣的狀況已經對於我國整個刑事司法體系的公正性產生非常嚴重的威脅在整個反貪腐法制當中我們目前是希望透過貪污自罪條例的修正來予以改正今天"},{"start":2628.137,"end":2656.665,"text":"我們先邁出了第一步而這第一步我們要來處理有關於不法關說竟然膽敢運用自己的影響力去關說法官檢察官這樣的亂象必須要遏止對於棄保潛逃的人也必須要讓他付出法律上面的代價不可以再讓"},{"start":2658.244,"end":2685.711,"text":"棄保潛逃毫無成本這麼荒謬的情況在台灣繼續蔓延。期待我們今天所提出來的條文能夠得到各位委員的支持也希望我們的法務部我們的主管機關能夠從善如流想一想2017年做出的承諾我們2024年在這邊才在排案審議討論"},{"start":2688.191,"end":2712.672,"text":"法案司法公正罪台灣社會等了太久了。二致權貴司法就從這一步開始。謝謝。好,謝謝。好,謝謝。那我們接著請機關代表報告時間五分鐘。喔,好好。不好意思。好,那我們接下來請羅智強委員進行提案說明。"},{"start":2720.051,"end":2747.922,"text":"在台灣最大的一個司法笑話就是關說司法竟然是無罪的關說司法竟然是無罪的欸幾十年來在台灣為什麼大家對司法公信力對司法不信任就是因為有權判生無權判死的關說司法行為不斷的存在啊"},{"start":2749.788,"end":2777.198,"text":"遠的不說先講近的最近鄭文燦社攤風風火火壓案七年外界都在疑惑為什麼壓案七年是不是當初在發動案件的檢察官那時候的邱泰山部長你到底有沒有干涉司法防害司法公正的行為在裡面"},{"start":2778.668,"end":2800.236,"text":"這個部分雖然目前還不得而知只是引人疑鬥而已但是邱泰山本身就有關說司法的這個豐功偉業在曾經跟彭坤業檢察長然後去施壓檢察官對於富商的一個稅捐的案子然後呢然後呢"},{"start":2804.997,"end":2814.063,"text":"沒有然後因為關說司法無罪啊就算他關說司法你能拿他怎麼樣沒事啊我們的司法法制委員會我們的柯建民總召也是關說司法的慣犯啊之前也發生關說司法的事情啊一樣總召一樣到現在也沒事啊"},{"start":2832.682,"end":2854.317,"text":"所以今天司法最大的恥辱之一就是竟然在台灣關說司法是無罪的所以關說司法恨刑我只問我們平民百姓你有能力去用你手中的權力去影響法官的判決影響司法官檢察官的辦案嗎你沒有的"},{"start":2855.902,"end":2874.633,"text":"你只有高官選決擁有政治職務權利的人你才有能力接近法官接近檢察官施壓法官施壓檢察官因此要確保司法公信今天關說司法防害司法公正罪的立法就顯得非常重要"},{"start":2875.578,"end":2903.991,"text":"另外關於棄保潛逃罪我今年2月17號就開記者會希望能夠來去立法今天很高興終於我們開始來討論這件事情我們的立法要往前推進了一步這兩件事棄保潛逃罪跟關說司法跟妨礙司法公正罪都是非常重要的法案希望我們今天能夠達成共識讓我們的相關法制進步往前更推一步謝謝"},{"start":2906.586,"end":2913.379,"text":"謝謝羅委員接下來我們請機關代表報告報告時間五分鐘請法務部徐次長報告"},{"start":2920.154,"end":2943.208,"text":"主席各位委員各位女士先生今天奉邀代表本部列席報告並被質詢深感榮幸感謝各位委員長期對脫逃棄保潛逃等妨礙司法公正罪相關法制的關心及努力本部對於委員所提修正草案之目的均表支持贊同"},{"start":2944.529,"end":2967.9,"text":"確保國家司法權及刑法權正確行使發現事實真相維護司法公信力是我們共同的目標本部已嚴提刑法部分條文修正草案經過行政院11次審查會議後已形成具體共識以下僅就委員所提四個版本草案內容"},{"start":2969.942,"end":2993.813,"text":"針對脫逃罪、棄保檢逃及司法關稅罪之法制面上做重點說明,敬請指教。第一,刑法脫逃罪本罪從刑法制定以來從未修正,卻有因時空需求調整刑度之必要。那部分委員修正草案主張提高第一項普通脫逃罪刑度"},{"start":2994.493,"end":3011.765,"text":"這部分與本部所提草案方向相同至於第二項刑度是否一併提高提高到多少涉及罪責相當性衡量這部分可再討論斟酌調整第二祭保潛逃罪部分"},{"start":3012.489,"end":3038.179,"text":"有部分草案是以傳居未到發布通緝作為認定棄保潛逃的構成要件但棄保潛逃本質上應以具有積極逃亡常理事證為前提通緝本身並未等同於棄保潛逃行為直接科以刑責規範是否恰當請再通盤考量另外"},{"start":3038.7,"end":3068.036,"text":"部分草案版本認為如果是犯重罪而棄保檢逃應該加重其刑但在實務上有時候所犯的重罪還沒有判決確定棄保檢逃卻已經要判決了這樣的時間差可能導致審判機關根本無法認定是否要加重其刑反而失去委員提案加重程度的立法目的另外也有部分委員提到"},{"start":3068.916,"end":3095.036,"text":"主張如果所棄保遣逃之罪最後被判決無罪或不起訴處分時就不處罰這一個被告的棄保遣逃行為然而棄保遣逃立法目的是在考量如果棄保遣逃只沒入保證金沒有刑責等於是讓被告付費購買自由讓被告可以透過"},{"start":3096.847,"end":3122.672,"text":"逃亡藏匿而削弱檢察官努力收集得來之證據基於這樣的思考如果個案中被告藉由棄保潛逃拖延收證的時效間接影響證據滅失一方面導致原本所犯案件只能不起訴處分或無罪另一方面又同時因為適用草案不法規定更享有不處罰棄保潛逃的利益這樣結果"},{"start":3125.553,"end":3150.238,"text":"反而導致的變相鼓勵棄保潛逃行為也請務必再通盤考量。第三）有關司法關說罪部分委員版本也納入我們妨礙司法公正罪章的處罰規定回應施改國事會議結論這部分本部聲表贊同但考量法官跟檢察官職權不限於裁判跟處分"},{"start":3151.298,"end":3169.379,"text":"例如法官也會負責審查搜索票跟羈押票那檢察官也要對是否上訴或撤回上訴做決定所以在構成要件上如果只限於關說草案所列的法官裁判檢察官處分"},{"start":3170.24,"end":3193.021,"text":"是否會有所缺落也請斟酌考量以完善我們妨礙司法公正罪的相關法制以上報告請各位委員指教是否等行政院版送大院後並按審查已求完備讓我們一起捍衛司法公正及連結性回應人民對司法改革的期待謝謝"},{"start":3197.125,"end":3200.126,"text":"其餘機關報告就請參閱書面機關代表報告完畢相關書面內容列入公報記錄"},{"start":3209.605,"end":3227.72,"text":"提案說明跟機關報告都已經進行完畢我們現在開始進行詢答本會委員詢答時間為8分鐘非本會委員詢答時間為4分鐘均不再延長上午10點30分截止發言登記那我們現在先請登記第一位黃國昌委員發言"},{"start":3239.954,"end":3264.257,"text":"謝謝主席麻煩有請市長麻煩市長委員長市長好台灣社會啊退役有權有勢的人啊竟然可以去關說司法真的是深惡痛絕啊一般的小老百姓不管是走進地檢署還是走進法院都是誠惶誠恐"},{"start":3266.084,"end":3292.018,"text":"三）委任律師當他們的代理人或辯護人來主張他們訴訟上面的權益。但是啊卻有一群明明在這個社會上面已經掌握了相當高權力的人包括我們的法官法官去關說司法也包括了我們位高權重的政治人物去關說檢察官"},{"start":3294.195,"end":3322.224,"text":"不要對他所涉入的刑事案件來提起上訴。更離譜的還有幹過法務部部長的邱泰山去找桃園地檢署的檢察長蓬坤業去關說幫富商逃稅五億的案子關說明明沒認罪還要關說叫檢察長去施壓桃園地檢署的檢察官讓他進行認罪協商"},{"start":3324.779,"end":3344.885,"text":"這些過去實際上面的亂象讓我們行政院院長卓榮泰前幾天在院會備詢的時候說台灣是民主國家不會有押案的事情我是不知道他是脫離現實了還是準備要說謊"},{"start":3348.746,"end":3375.577,"text":"這明明吶全部都是具體發生過的事情。針對這些案子最後的結果是怎麼樣?次長你知道嗎?有任何人受到任何刑事處罰嗎?請教次長。沒有。沒有吧?是。這樣子的結果我相信吶沒有人可以接受這是為什麼我們今天"},{"start":3376.704,"end":3404.99,"text":"要來這邊審不法關說罪防礙司法公正罪不可以讓這些違法濫權的人繼續逍遙法外享受一般人所沒有的特權第二個問題在權貴犯罪的脈絡裡我們常常發現我們的權貴犯罪司法審判程序通常拖很久拖到五年十年十五年的"},{"start":3407.517,"end":3435.296,"text":"好不容易確定了人卻跑了人卻跑了讓我們的刑事刑法權沒有辦法獲得落實這也是為什麼我們今天要處理棄保險逃罪的問題其實這兩件事在司改國是會議2017年的時候都做出了決議到現在延役了七年了"},{"start":3436.232,"end":3460.514,"text":"市長對這樣的速度你能夠接受嗎?報告委員我想法律的修改有時候也不是完全看實效因為學術上的假說以說學者很多人有不同的見解我們最近討論也是一樣一個法律上的用語可能會有不同的解釋所以"},{"start":3460.894,"end":3486.182,"text":"才會開了11次的一個協商會議我講在制定的過程中的確是大家很用心但是就是要求慎重所以才會有這樣不過這一個法案現在已經大概都文字上都大概都完成現在要成合然後再送到司法院然後再會選以後很快的應該就會送到那個大院來好我們希望啦齁"},{"start":3489.848,"end":3517.182,"text":"針對這些明顯的法律的漏洞幫權貴犯罪開的後門其實討論的越久拖的越久這個後門存在的就越久只要不完成立法我就繼續幹我就繼續跑我就繼續幹我就繼續去關說司法沒人可以拿我怎麼樣我就繼續棄保潛逃也不會有任何法律效果"},{"start":3518.26,"end":3541.789,"text":"今天剛好在處理棄保潛逃的問題有一件事情要請教一下次長檢察官向法院申請羈押的時候有的時候符合羈押的必要性符合羈押的要件但法院認為沒有必要性那所以會用具保的方式來替代"},{"start":3544.336,"end":3568.687,"text":"問題是我們在羈押的事由裡面除了有逃亡之運以外還有什麼重罪串證串證嘛對滅證嘛對好那如果今天他沒有跑喔我們用一千兩百萬給他交保他沒有跑他沒有跑但是他跑去串證他跑去滅證"},{"start":3570.379,"end":3583.162,"text":"條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會議．立法院第11屆第2會期司法及法制委員會議．立法院第1會期司法及法制委員會議．立法院第2會期司法及法制委員會議．立法院第3會期司法及法制委員會議．立法院第4會期司法及法制委員會議．立法院第5會期司法及法制委員會議．立法院第6會期司法及法制委員會議．立法院第7會期司法及法制委員會議．立法院第8會期司法及法制委員會議．立法院第9會期司法及法制委員會"},{"start":3601.172,"end":3623.085,"text":"就是以防他逃逆以及將來執行不到案就會沒入保證金所以只有保他到不到庭嘛對那如果他違反法院的命令那個具保的金會沒收嗎不會再執行再申請執行羈押所以嘛我們把法律效果說清楚啦對就是說今天不管多少錢"},{"start":3624.4,"end":3652.725,"text":"三）委員羅智強等二十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一"},{"start":3654.065,"end":3671.596,"text":"法務部在不贊成?這個不是我們這是刑訴不是我們主管的我知道啦但台灣現在刑事司法荒謬就在這裡刑法跟刑訴實體法跟訴訟法像是雙胞胎一樣一體兩面嘛"},{"start":3673.034,"end":3692.284,"text":"結果你們一個法務部管一個司法院管這兩者之間必須要有一個很好的統合的機制啦我今天不會請你代表司法院發言從法務部的立場我剛剛那樣子啊立法上面方向的建議啊 贊不贊成"},{"start":3695.578,"end":3717.967,"text":"我們待會去研議好了好好研議啦因為我覺得這些事情怎麼樣確保國家的刑事司法權能夠落實這是一個非常嚴肅而重要的問題謝謝下一個我要追的事情是八八會館的調查報告我上次去高檢署的時候高檢署已經承認了"},{"start":3718.871,"end":3741.752,"text":"三）委員羅智強等22人擬具:「中華民國刑法第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百"},{"start":3743.206,"end":3761.582,"text":"那個時候次長跟我承諾黃謀信次長跟我承諾說高檢署會修正報告而且會儘速公佈現在快兩個月了東西在哪裡報告委員本部的確在113年4月17號有含請台高檢再釐清據報確實有88會館人員出入將提給懲戒法院來審訟"},{"start":3771.944,"end":3793.747,"text":"提過去了還提過去了不是啊給懲戒法院是一回事啦是那個是被彈劾的所以給懲戒法院嘛是現在我的問題是你們高檢署的行政調查報告避重就輕嘛我追了半天啊你們答應說高檢署會儘速公佈修正的報告我等到今天沒看到啊"},{"start":3796.112,"end":3813.632,"text":"的確當時是根據相關人員所說所做的認定並沒有調查不實那後來再追查的結果是有八八會館人員出入但是不是有女陪室的那一種沒有關係你們修正的報告什麼時候要公布跳票啦"},{"start":3816.869,"end":3835.103,"text":"三）委員羅智強等22人擬具:「中華民國刑法第一百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一"},{"start":3836.084,"end":3848.312,"text":"我希望能夠幫我們監所的同仁喊出他們的心聲深夜圍牢勤務津貼的知己表排除了監所管理員法務部認同嗎?"},{"start":3850.796,"end":3879.158,"text":"他們的工作很辛苦很危險欸在監所裡面去看管那一些受刑人。報告委員我們絕對贊同齁就是他們的確是有危險性而且很辛苦那這一部分我們一定會帶回去研議不要研議阿是法務部要有立場阿要支持他們阿爭取要把他納入阿可以嗎這麼多監所管理員大家在關心的一件事情是什麼"},{"start":3881.325,"end":3904.107,"text":"你們的公文是你們在研議嗎?那現在大家關心的是法務部有幫這一些在各個監所裡面幫我們在讓這個受刑人能夠好好的服完他應該有的刑期這一些的監所管理員你們法務部有站出來爭取嗎?"},{"start":3907.638,"end":3930.887,"text":"對於改善他們的工作環境我們法務部一直有在努力那有時候是有很會牽扯到部會或者是費用的問題不過我們還是會極力爭取我希望法務部作為這些監所管理員的大家長該幫他們爭取正當合法的權益這個絕對是正當合法的權益"},{"start":3934.158,"end":3941.365,"text":"要認真一點不要讓他們繼續失望這樣好不好是好謝謝謝謝黃委員那下一位我們請宗嘉斌委員發言另外我們那個"},{"start":3955.987,"end":3982.076,"text":"我們同時做一個宣告今天委員提出臨時提案那我們依據往例在上午11點的時候處理那如果屆時有委員在巡打那我們就請該委員巡打完畢之後馬上進行臨時提案處理好不好意思好謝謝主席主席在場的委員先進烈士政府平安市長官員會長工作夥伴媒體記者女士先生有請徐次長和司法院的朱法官以及移民署的林組長好組長"},{"start":3991.857,"end":4019.787,"text":"好 次長好 那麼還有幾位 那我就想先就教一個過去曾經在我們司法法制委員會跟檢察署發生一個爭議昨天大家看到了憲法訴訟法的憲法法庭的開庭那麼關於憲法訴訟法何謂機關正義案件規定在我們憲法訴訟法的第65條第一項那麼還有包括4至585號的解釋說是要有具體案件 那你們就你的認知所謂的機關正義案件的申請要件是什麼"},{"start":4020.367,"end":4042.385,"text":"在《憲法書法案》第65條第一項就一般常識人認知﹖你可以回答嗎?這是由﹖就主法官來,來。我了解,就是我們一般的法律常識,我也是從這個常識面來思考的。我了解,但是您就這個條文來講他的申請要件很容易理解吧?"},{"start":4044.036,"end":4063.753,"text":"你不便回答,那我們看進行第二頁,4至729號立法院我們司法及法制委員會曾經要求要調閱319槍擊案當時跟最高檢察署有職權上的爭議,這個部分次長你可以答了吧你對這個案件的了解他是有在爭議,是行政院跟立法院在權限的爭議是不是?"},{"start":4065.728,"end":4084.11,"text":"那時候本委員會本院本委員會要求調閱文件根據當時的立法院執行司法那你們行政院法務部最高檢察署認為呢不適合所以這是不是屬於屬於偵查職權與立法院調閱文件的權限爭議"},{"start":4090.397,"end":4113.925,"text":"對 這個偵查的權限行使的時候那必定會跟行政機關所以是不是比較像是剛剛講的憲法訴訟法第65條的適用對象當時是不是走這個部分來我往下看我們這邊左邊這個部分當行政院跟立法院有權限爭議的時候我們申請司法院憲法法庭來做判決是不是"},{"start":4114.79,"end":4131.098,"text":"那那這裡面呢就產生了729號的解釋文他當時還是用司法院大法官審理案件法大審法來處理那大概呢大審法的那個條次啊大概就跟我們的現在的憲法訴訟法的65條相近這你瞭解吧沒有錯沒有錯嗎很好那現在呢我們看到了現在昨天審法法庭呢他行政院"},{"start":4140.871,"end":4147.236,"text":"條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及"},{"start":4169.364,"end":4195.686,"text":"應該是法規範法規範對所以若認為行政院法規範本身可能抵觸憲法申請法律違憲那當然是適用我們憲法憲訴法第47條的部分是不是這樣子我們來看一下憲法訴訟法第47條第一項國家最高機關因本身或下級機關行使之權就所適用的法規範認為這個法規範有抵觸憲法者申請憲法法庭宣告違憲的判決是法律有沒有違憲的申請是不是這樣是"},{"start":4197.406,"end":4217.131,"text":"那至於我們剛剛講的四至七二九號呢他講的是憲法輸送法第六十五條之一第六十五條第一項最高機關應行使職權與其他國家最高機關發生憲法上權限之爭議經爭議之機關協商未果得申請憲法法庭為機關爭議之判決這裡指的是合憲的法律要如何適用的問題是不是這樣"},{"start":4220.021,"end":4240.3,"text":"是好謝謝那我們講看那最後呢就憲法訴訟法呢我們昨天是做暫時處分的效力根據這第43條憲訴法的第43條第一項暫時處分的有對法律凍結那等到判決確定後呢再實施那請問在你認知裡面法律凍結期間立法院之間行使法比如說人事同意權是否應依舊法執行"},{"start":4245.644,"end":4260.342,"text":"這個要看憲法法庭怎麼判決如果要說暫停試用那當然我們的人事同意權比如說接下來審查的可能就按照舊法那麼舊法是不是現況新法試用前的現況就是舊法"},{"start":4262.148,"end":4289.615,"text":"對嘛所以適用就法大概是對現況變動最小的原則嘛也可能損害是最小嘛是好謝謝好來我們現在看今天的主題齁來刑事訴訟中被告可能失聯的時間我希望失聯啦不要說逃逸啦也不要說脫逃啦齁請問在起訴前就偵查中以及呢起訴後審判中或者在判決後執行執行的階段請問根據統計目前這個三個階段分別過去你們的統計有多少人失聯你這個偵查中呢有沒有統計過"},{"start":4293.595,"end":4314.081,"text":"三）委員羅智強等22人擬具:「中華民國刑法第一百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百"},{"start":4314.915,"end":4333.904,"text":"指的就是起訴後到判決確定前對不對?法院審理中的有多少?六千出頭件那剛剛講的三萬多人嘛因為我們有案子還沒起訴對我知道起訴前嘛跟判決執行階段嘛好所以我們看得清楚在這三個階段都有可能是本修正法案的含色範圍我們往下看"},{"start":4334.83,"end":4351.879,"text":"所以棄保潛逃的罪責的處罰基本上根據我們看到的修正條文的第161條之一的第一項在交保折付限制出入居或限制出境出海經傳喚到庭而未到就發布通緝目前所處罰的對象就是發布通緝的這些人是不是這樣子你們的意見當中"},{"start":4356.295,"end":4377.521,"text":"我們在草案裡面不會以發佈通緝作為唯一的要件。我們現在看有哪一些考量。您說得很好,我看了你們的意見覺得蠻不錯的。首先第一個,我們最根本的問題是防止嫌犯逃亡國外。通常在發佈通緝或者限制出境的時候,這個時候我們假設被告可能還在國內。"},{"start":4379.912,"end":4380.653,"text":"三）委員洪孟楷等22人擬具"},{"start":4403.487,"end":4421.293,"text":"你們覺得這個護照註銷後有沒有有助於讓這個逃亡的嫌犯或被告在國外的行動上受到拘束?註銷護照是外交部的權責。那你們認為有沒有幫助?因為今天沒有找外交部。現在一般來講說他只要有通知我們限制出境的"},{"start":4421.673,"end":4450.12,"text":"之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三"},{"start":4451.414,"end":4476.037,"text":"之一及第二百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及四十一條之一及五十一條之一及六十一條之一及五十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及六十一條之一及"},{"start":4477.902,"end":4503.085,"text":"依照刑事使用法一百一十六條之二這個是替代羈押處羈押替代處分是如果認為有必要的話法院可以秘密實務上有沒有說具保之後沒有扣護照的比例多少這個是個案由法院來審卓你們有沒有統計目前我覺得你們要統計一下因為法官覺得不用扣護照結果他已經偷渡出境拿在國外拿著台灣的護照還到把把照有沒有這樣的情況"},{"start":4504.707,"end":4529.088,"text":"三）委員羅智強等22人擬具:「中華民國刑法第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百"},{"start":4532.148,"end":4546.893,"text":"之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第八百六十一條之一及第八百六十一條之一及第八百六十一及第八百六十一及第八百六十一及"},{"start":4554.141,"end":4580.834,"text":"法務部跟司法院可不可以利用電子繳料加強防治被告脫逃,在他判決確定後到執行之間?對,如果在審理中法官﹖不是審理中,我說判決確定。他沒判決確定他不跑啊,判決確定到法院執行他跑掉啦。不是,他那個﹖他只要在審理中他有裝設電子的監控設備,會平轉給我們的那個﹖那有沒有那種在審理中沒有裝設的﹖因為不曉得會判有罪嘛。但判決有罪之後呢,發現這個很重大。"},{"start":4582.13,"end":4602.453,"text":"之一及第一百六十三條之一及第二百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三"},{"start":4603.669,"end":4627.701,"text":"現在大家對於人云亦雨會聲會影說一大堆人就是因為我們沒有房子要脫逃趴趴照這些在實務上你們都有手段可以防治的或者要入法或者你們現在行政上就要去處理應該要先做一個統計讓我們知道說這個手段有沒有必要同不同意同意好現在我們最後我們看結論了問題二對不起往前看還有人不知道自己被通緝的我覺得你們這裡已經講清楚了"},{"start":4628.086,"end":4649.52,"text":"三）委員羅智強等22人擬具:「中華民國刑法第一百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百"},{"start":4656.698,"end":4667.961,"text":"之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一"},{"start":4671.096,"end":4674.678,"text":"三（罪無罪結果為未到庭但是被判刑才會這樣嗎?"},{"start":4688.697,"end":4714.756,"text":"因為他不因為他後來最後宣判無罪的結果有可能是他延遲拖延據不到庭產生無法傳喚無法審理的結果那這種情況下他的一個脫逃就還是要處刑最後的結果我們做結論這個棄保潛逃需要再研議希望你們再用科技工具來防逃以上剛剛所提的要求你們做的統計數字請盡速的什麼時候可以交給本席你們統計要讓我們知道未來修法的依據"},{"start":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案件中．立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第37次全體委員會第37次全體委員會第37次全體委員會第37次全體委員會第37次全體委員會第37次全體委員會第37次全體委員會第37次全體委員會第37次全體委員會第37次全體委員會第37次全體委員會第37次全體委員會第37次全體委員會第37次全體委員會第37次全體委員會第37次全體委員會第37次全體委員會第37次全體委員會第37次全體委員會第37次全體委員會第37次全體委員會第37次全體委員會第37次全體委員會第38次全體"},{"start":4796.039,"end":4819.81,"text":"我看你們今天的回答怎麼又變成說你們法務部要研議,這個落差太大了。我抱歉,因為沒有接受,可能是不是黃政事,因為他是他主管的業務。因為我負責督導是檢查業務。那所以政策沒有分歧?沒有沒有沒有分歧。所以以哪一位講的為準?"},{"start":4821.471,"end":4835.996,"text":"三條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一及第一百六十一及"},{"start":4837.597,"end":4838.338,"text":"兩條條文修正草案案。"},{"start":4856.408,"end":4867.341,"text":"三）委員羅智強等22人擬具:「中華民國刑法第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一"},{"start":4868.993,"end":4873.859,"text":"兩種同樣都是民眾你把他放在一樣的罪責裡面都是三年這個有沒有什麼你認為有沒有什麼特別的一個目的"},{"start":4890.202,"end":4913.879,"text":"三）委員羅智強等22人擬具:「中華民國刑法第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百"},{"start":4917.501,"end":4947.172,"text":"所謂的具體就是我們的確有去查訪過就問過相關的收集了相關的跡證證明他在我們強制準備以後他又跑掉了而不是以單獨說發布通緝要特別小心你說妨礙刑事執行程序就脫逃罪或者說刑事偵查審辦程序裡面棄保潛逃你罪行一樣都是關三年我到現在還是百思不得其解這個我在我看來就是大家認為說這很討厭罪行把它增加就這樣子一個理由而已"},{"start":4950.068,"end":4967.542,"text":"包委員我這一點剛才有一點沒有具體的講出來就是脫逃罪他本身是侵害國家的一個行就是譬如說破壞機具啦或者是說已經在逮捕拘禁的程序上他有就是在公權力的監督之下全部都算嘛"},{"start":4967.722,"end":4982.349,"text":"三）委員羅智強等27人擬具:「中華民國刑法第一百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一"},{"start":4990.735,"end":5018.841,"text":"這個前面都是法界的前輩一堆在這個地方大家都很專業的人你去看我們刑法第161條脫逃罪裡面一年以下嘛 對不對對 我們草案有提高我說本來都一年以下嘛對對對 是一年以下沒錯你知道這個條文什麼時候訂到現在嗎這個條文從1934年這24年90年沒有去改變原因你知道嗎原因喔對啊為什麼大家都不動就期待可能性不高啦"},{"start":5020.25,"end":5035.397,"text":"三）委員羅智強等22人擬具:「中華民國刑法第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百"},{"start":5050.16,"end":5077.428,"text":"長栗人犯一百六十四條那個是把人藏起來兩年以下。把人藏起來都只有兩年以下。那自己當被告人把自己藏起來這個是被告有時候他自己都不可能去製證自己有罪啊。他就認為說我先藏起來啊。過一陣子出來再說啊。那個期待可能性更低啊。那你這個兩個條文之間你不覺得你跟那個長栗人犯來一百六十四條你去做比較的話"},{"start":5078.528,"end":5097.519,"text":"三）委員羅智強等22人擬具:「中華民國刑法第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百"},{"start":5104.534,"end":5120.61,"text":"一萬塊交保,我也都看到啊。我們看了也知道說只是稍微給你一個威嚇警惕一下。好啦,你像這種兩個人打架的,像這種這麼輕微的,這種幾乎都是告訴難論之罪。就哪怕你起訴了,你到法院去了,這個和解完以後,馬上又判決不受理了。"},{"start":5128.373,"end":5148.022,"text":"之一及第二百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三"},{"start":5150.558,"end":5151.959,"text":"三）委員羅智強等22人擬具 «中華民國刑法第一百六十一條條文修正草案案案件》案。"},{"start":5162.196,"end":5190.191,"text":"我個人非常佩服委員不敢當先前剛剛次長也有提到其實法務部我也幫他講一下話他沒有怠惰因為這個歷次已經開11次的會議那包括有邀請學者那學者就這個處罰的必要性還有這個輕重刺痕一再提出尤其是161條的脫逃罪在修法之前只有一年以下那已經據國家的實力監控之下而逃亡"},{"start":5191.031,"end":5220.511,"text":"這時候判一年,據保讓你處在一個自由的氛圍之下而不來開庭,這樣要判三年。嚴格來講確實有輕重失衡所以法務部的對策是盡量在很矛盾之中找到一個合理的均衡點參考日本的立法例把161條的脫逃罪提高刑度到三年以下讓這個矛盾點不要那麼突出我跟次長還有跟法官這邊各位列席的官員來做一個說明提醒啦"},{"start":5220.691,"end":5235.039,"text":"三）委員羅智強等22人擬具:「中華民國刑法第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一及第一百六十一"},{"start":5236.445,"end":5265.412,"text":"我們有時候常常在民粹在立法我們要解決事情沒有錯可是法律條文的設計會跟立法院不一樣耶立法院是一群野獸耶立法院是親在公共的人多數料化同軌有民粹支持一下就過去了可是這個民粹這個民...不要我們也不一定講民粹民意的方向搞不好一個禮拜轉變耶你講幾個具體的案件大家覺得說哎呦阿太當初我們這樣想到最後承擔責任的都是誰?都是你們啊不會是我們耶"},{"start":5266.636,"end":5268.198,"text":"當年的條文到現在你90年沒有去動它沒有動它合不合理我倒認為也合理喔"},{"start":5284.781,"end":5304.473,"text":"除非你要把整部刑法或刑律訴訟你要把它大修啊你如果沒有大修的話你就會造成這種射程的範圍你會傷及到無辜啊輕罪的啊我剛舉的兩個案子就夠輕了吧哪有什麼我那個犯了本罪那麼輕甚至我那個本罪到最後判決是不受理的那或者說纏送了那麼久到最後有一次就像你講的你當作大家都老百姓都吃飽硬硬都要接你的船票"},{"start":5314.602,"end":5325.708,"text":"三）委員羅智強等22人擬具:「中華民國刑法第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百"},{"start":5338.635,"end":5338.915,"text":"三）委員羅智強等22人擬具"},{"start":5347.881,"end":5369.709,"text":"三）委員洪孟楷等22人擬具:「中華民國刑法第一百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及"},{"start":5375.911,"end":5395.708,"text":"尤其是你沒收以後還有刑事責任會不會重複處罰的問題你這個也都要去好好的思考一下我要聽聽剛聽了司法院的看法以後是不是次長這邊來再說明一下法務部的立場的確委員剛才講的都是很重要的不過在當時考慮的討論的過程中也都有討論過那剛才講到末路跟那個刑法的話"},{"start":5401.754,"end":5403.759,"text":"三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十"},{"start":5410.39,"end":5425.375,"text":"三條之一及第二百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六"},{"start":5435.259,"end":5449.328,"text":"三）委員羅智強等22人擬具:「中華民國刑法第一百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百"},{"start":5465.46,"end":5466.365,"text":"三）委員羅智強等27人擬具"},{"start":5467.83,"end":5487.678,"text":"三）委員羅智強等二十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一"},{"start":5497.022,"end":5513.13,"text":"之一及第一百六十三條之一及第二百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三"},{"start":5515.484,"end":5534.222,"text":"市長是好不好我是認為提出要修法的人立法理由我們都看到了社會上也都聽見了那那個只是說要提出修法的一個他的理由到底堅不堅強我們再把這些個案你如果沒有去把它做類型化去做一個區分的話"},{"start":5534.722,"end":5550.938,"text":"之一及第二百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三"},{"start":5555.165,"end":5573.637,"text":"之一及第二百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三"},{"start":5593.242,"end":5594.443,"text":"條文修正草案案。"},{"start":5601.525,"end":5617.963,"text":"市長早市長我們今天要討論的這個是有關這個刑法部分條文的修正草案那從各位委員還有黨團的版本來看主要是將妨礙司法公正的這個法制給完備那"},{"start":5618.524,"end":5637.301,"text":"三）委員羅智強等22人擬具:「中華民國刑法第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百"},{"start":5638.622,"end":5652.378,"text":"這不但是有失我們司法的威信和公正性也讓民眾喪失對司法的信心所以健全法制的相關措施來逐步落實司法國是會議的這個決議尤其重要"},{"start":5653.399,"end":5669.446,"text":"不僅是要維護我們司法體系的這個公正性回應民眾對於司法的改革高度的期待也能夠讓我們檢警在辦案的過程中能夠更有信心來伸張正義那就我們這個棄保潛逃入罪的部分"},{"start":5670.286,"end":5699.326,"text":"來就教我們法務部有關現況和修法的規劃。由於過去我們有包括像這個朱國榮的這個個案對於行期較高的經濟犯來說他潛逃之後我們依法只能沒收他的保證金沒有辦法有其他有效的這種懲罰那相當於讓這個財力雄厚的人用一筆保證金來抵罪幫自己免除這個牢獄之災倘若這樣的案例不斷的發生也"},{"start":5700.166,"end":5720.136,"text":"不免讓人覺得說有權勢的人就能夠胡作非為了那我想就叫我們次長是不是也反映我們現有的這個防逃機制還是不夠周全對於這個被告脫逃所需付出的成本不高法務部對此有什麼樣的這個檢討措施"},{"start":5722.762,"end":5723.463,"text":"法定人數不足"},{"start":5739.92,"end":5758.029,"text":"提出草案就是要對這個棄保潛逃要入罪那其實我們在之前科技防逃就已經都建立好平台那如果說具保的話其實法官也可以裁定就是給他戴電子的腳鐐或手銬那個手環等等這個所謂的"},{"start":5762.351,"end":5788.063,"text":"計壓的替代的措施這些都是事後我們檢討以後那為了防止他潛逃我們所做的努力以及改善好那對於這個科技手段來強化防逃的機制剛剛次長您也說了這個電子腳療類的這個相同相關的事務那我想在過去一段時間也相關的討論也就是在修法之前能夠藉由電子監控"},{"start":5788.863,"end":5815.638,"text":"或這個科技的輔助來杜絕被告這個潛逃啦齁那如果真的發生逃亡的情形也能夠及時讓相關單位得知馬上來追捕尤其我們法務部和司法院還共同建置這個科技設備的監控中心那目前我想請教就是司法我們在科技設備監控的這個使用上成效如何那是否會再擴大使用"},{"start":5835.424,"end":5845.646,"text":"目前有五十幾案五十幾案有五十幾案在監控中那未來有可能再擴大使用嗎?"},{"start":5848.171,"end":5864.726,"text":"三）委員羅智強等22人擬具:「中華民國刑法第一百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一"},{"start":5866.391,"end":5871.553,"text":"三（立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及"},{"start":5888.558,"end":5907.762,"text":"三）委員羅智強等27人擬具:「中華民國刑法第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百"},{"start":5912.363,"end":5931.025,"text":"條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第37次全體委員會及法制委員會等第二百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一"},{"start":5933.227,"end":5948.332,"text":"報告委員目前居家讀取器跟個案手機是選用的設備並不是普遍的是它自己選用選用對那是屬於我們法定的是電子腳鐐跟電子手環這個部分是我們因為"},{"start":5950.032,"end":5964.592,"text":"我發現到一個問題想提醒就是因為我們現在科技也日新月異那AI的這個製成的這種仿真人的影片也蠻趨於這個真實那會不會以假亂真那再加上一些科技的這個手法來"},{"start":5966.053,"end":5982.703,"text":"規避監控進而脫逃,這也可能會造成剛剛以上我們所講的這種情形來發生所以還是提醒我們法務部對這個部分另外有關這個棄保潛逃的部分我想法務部這邊也有自己的眼裡的版本那同樣"},{"start":5983.423,"end":6007.182,"text":"要處罰透過逃亡藏匿的行為想要脫逃刑事制裁的這個被告那報告之中也提及委員這個提案與法務部研擬中的草案構成要件設計略有差異那我想請教我們次長我們這個法務部所研擬的這個相關的版本那會與今天所審查的內容上有什麼區別是不是請次長這個簡單說明一下"},{"start":6010.95,"end":6012.151,"text":"條文修正草案案 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制定有失衡的問題我們召開了11次的一個演唱會議很多學者專家也都有不同的意見要整合這些要花很多很多的時間我想重點是這樣子我們看到你剛才一再說明說我們從這個"},{"start":6383.041,"end":6398.047,"text":"這2017年四海國事會議之後我們大概從2019年開始我們這個我們2019年我們法務部的的最早的這個草案就就提出來了就就送到送到行政院但是在行政院之後我們經過11次的會議的審的這個審查會議對不對對對這11次的審查會議"},{"start":6405.526,"end":6422.752,"text":"三）委員羅智強等二十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一"},{"start":6424.734,"end":6446.506,"text":"問題出在哪裡?他一定有他的一些爭點。剛才大概有做一些說明,是不是能夠請你現在比較聚焦的說幾個讓這個我們審查會議進行11次,他裡面比較重要的幾個正義焦點。報告委員,氣袍潛逃是來自於美國的立法的概念。"},{"start":6448.167,"end":6475.958,"text":"相對的在歐陸法系裡面基於一個很重要的原則叫做不自證己罪的原則不自證己罪對所以他歐陸的法系是比較沒有這樣的立法但是我們司改國制會議已經做成這樣的決議而且我們法務部也支持我們自己的草案裡面也有這樣的立法所以這個部分就不用再說了這部分應該是一次會議就解決了包委員我的意思是說因為我們的刑事實體法還是主要是歐陸傳習過來"},{"start":6477.939,"end":6500.092,"text":"三）委員羅智強等二十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一"},{"start":6506.716,"end":6525.456,"text":"三）委員羅智強等22人擬具:「中華民國刑法第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百"},{"start":6526.32,"end":6548.213,"text":"所以剛剛所講的你說這個歐陸法系不制正脊椎原則等等這些可能在我們提出法務部提出草案之前的前階段的討論我相信進入這11次的審查會議裡面他的焦點不會是這個他今天會拖到11次會議一再修改一再各界有意見"},{"start":6549.332,"end":6564.422,"text":"三）委員羅智強等27人擬具:「中華民國刑法第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百"},{"start":6567.304,"end":6588.047,"text":"三）委員羅智強等27人擬具:「中華民國刑法第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百"},{"start":6589.97,"end":6603.03,"text":"這個罪行相當的原則。」這個部分在立法過程中有很多我們所立出來的草案學者有不同的意見這是第一個另外剛剛有提到有一些部分是有關明確性的原則"},{"start":6604.178,"end":6627.779,"text":"三）委員羅智強等27人擬具:「中華民國刑法第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百"},{"start":6630.751,"end":6637.83,"text":"這個另外就是也有提到說要符合比例原則啦齁就在比例原則上面也有一些學者有不同的見解啦齁"},{"start":6638.826,"end":6665.631,"text":"所以就是說這11次的會議並不是我們在拖延而是有關剛剛所講這些包括我們今天等一下我們我們我們看今天的包括黨團的提案包括委員的提案本身裡面如果這個是是法務部的草案的話我想在這11次會議不要說11次會議12次13次14次按照這種條文也是不會過啦因為裡面也確實有一些有一些部分是不符合這些原則的嘛對不對是好所以"},{"start":6669.775,"end":6685.721,"text":"接下來就是說這11次會議之後現在你必須要說明就是說我想今天委員會也會關心了包括我們今天最後我們委員會我們委員會會做成什麼樣的處理方式針對今天委員的提案會做什麼樣處理方式也跟這個這目前我們這個進度到哪裡"},{"start":6686.874,"end":6699.786,"text":"法務委員我們現在有一些會議有一些文字還在修改馬上就會送給我們陳和完了以後就會要會前司法院"},{"start":6702.176,"end":6718.714,"text":"三）委員羅智強等22人擬具:「中華民國刑法第一百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一"},{"start":6719.935,"end":6734.781,"text":"三）委員羅智強等22人擬具:「中華民國刑法第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百"},{"start":6737.438,"end":6765.121,"text":"多久?因為又牽扯到司法院院會的問題我知道司法院院會到處在司法院會今天因為我們是法官來不是如果說今天秘書長來我們就來問司法院的進度今天是我們行事廳所以我們就不太能夠很精確的講我現在不講會前的部分什麼時候行政院的部分會送到這個司法院會前我們只能禁訴因為真的只剩下文字修改而已真的所以這部分我不想齁"},{"start":6766.707,"end":6788.772,"text":"三）委員羅智強等27人擬具:「中華民國刑法第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百"},{"start":6793.493,"end":6813.524,"text":"重點是我們你剛講說盡快很快而且這個是最後的修改了所以有沒有辦法這半年之內半年之內送到立法院來我們我們進我們進朝這個目標前進朝這個目標啦吼我這樣問好了那你們最後你們你們最後的文資修改什麼時候會送到行政院這個你總總總這你訪問部總說得出來吧"},{"start":6819.605,"end":6846.298,"text":"那行政院給我們的時間是這禮拜五這禮拜五對所以你們這禮拜五就會送到行政院對對對對那這樣子的進度齁我想這個這個因為這整個立法體力它不只是不只是這個棄保潛逃啦今天也就很多委員提案是棄保潛逃事實上它是整個妨礙妨礙司法公正的相關的這些法令這些法令的整個整個體甚至那個這個章潔明章潔都必須要新增了齁新增"},{"start":6846.778,"end":6873.169,"text":"所以我個人是也在這邊建議主席希望說我們能夠不要讓法務部這過去7年這11次的努力變成白費我們還是等待法務部的草案能夠從行政院送到司法院會前之後送到立法院來我們再併案來審查這部分是本席的建議以上"},{"start":6874.226,"end":6897.531,"text":"三）委員羅智強等22人擬具:「中華民國刑法第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第四百六十一條之一及第七百六十一條之一及第八百六十一條之一及第八百六十一條之一及第八百六十一條之一及第八百六十一條之一及第八百六十一條之一及第八百六十一條之一及第八百六十一條之一及第八"},{"start":6898.735,"end":6905.571,"text":"我想這個七寶潛逃罪及所有的其他的包含妨害司法公正罪這幾個罪"},{"start":6908.581,"end":6930.789,"text":"二）委員羅智強等27人擬具:「中華民國刑法第一百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百"},{"start":6939.235,"end":6963.238,"text":"所以你同不同意這是一個就是要訂這些罪責是不是刑事政策的問題我想這個是刑事政策同時也是符合國人的期待我想這是大家的期待所以因為我剛才聽到你講說就是說我們現在是雖然我們當時是因為美國有相關棄保潛逃罪的相關的規定歐陸法系的國家就沒有嘛"},{"start":6964.372,"end":6983.017,"text":"所以我現在才會問你說那到底我國要不要就是你要仿效美國要定立棄保潛逃罪或者你要採歐陸歐美那個歐陸國家的立法沒有所以這這就是你的抉擇嗎是所以這就是我國要不要採這樣的一個刑事政策的問題嗎"},{"start":6985.069,"end":7009.884,"text":"所以當然現在從你的整份報告裡面你講得很清楚了就是說依照為了確保我們的司法的公信力還有讓這個司法權及刑法權能夠正確的行使必發現事實的身像維護司法的公信力那你是認為說法務部的立場認為說這是要定的要定相關的妨害這個司法的相關的一個罪責"},{"start":7011.089,"end":7027.591,"text":"三）委員羅智強等二十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一"},{"start":7029.272,"end":7047.018,"text":"說這個要處罰禁命拒保、責負、限制駐居及特定處分或命令之人對於積極逃亡藏匿之行為因為我們有些這個委員他的立法並沒有就逃亡藏匿的行為做一個就做一個文字的一個敘述那你們這邊有強調嗎"},{"start":7048.658,"end":7052.501,"text":"條文修正草案案 條文裏面有做一個規定嘛因為就妨礙作證罪你們在172條之二或者172條之三"},{"start":7067.114,"end":7091.51,"text":"也處罰對協助詢問程序證人的人或對專家鑑定人或專家證人通歷等是以恐嚇騷擾等及行賄的犯罪行為也予以處罰所以這個也有對騷擾恐嚇證人鑑定人的行為予以處罰另外172條之四非法使用卷證罪"},{"start":7092.631,"end":7115.585,"text":"也加以處罰。另外對於不法關說罪在一百七十二條之五又有很明確的一個規定所以你已經涵蓋了整個我們這個這個妨礙司法罪的相關的一個規定所以你已經有這麼好的草案所以我們的問題又回到說經過了11次的審查會議今年也開了兩次去年開了三次"},{"start":7116.685,"end":7143.269,"text":"為什麽這部草案在行政院那邊會一直卡住出不來?包括委員這個就是成果這是很多專家學者慢慢會慢慢修所以委員剛才看到說這個很好啊這個就是這11次的成果這不是一進去就長這個樣子所以你這次的成果已經也就是說你現在已經修正的差不多了最後的版本已經差不多了"},{"start":7143.989,"end":7160.105,"text":"也就是說該您回答這個審判會委員說這個星期五這個星期五行政院你們就已經把文字修正送到行政院了嗎行政院就會核定會寫那個司法院對然後是什麼情況請再說明清楚"},{"start":7162.338,"end":7187.434,"text":"三）委員羅智強等22人擬具:「中華民國刑法第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百"},{"start":7190.436,"end":7210.101,"text":"三）委員羅智強等27人擬具 «中華民國刑法第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百"},{"start":7214.547,"end":7227.357,"text":"市長,這次立法委員訂了這麼多版本,剛剛審委員說要逼你們法務部提版本,民進黨政府做得不好。其實我想大家絕對沒有這樣的想法。"},{"start":7228.078,"end":7248.092,"text":"大家只希望說讓這些司法國事會議所提出來的這樣的一個建議能夠落實是幫現在執政黨解套幫法務部解套希望案子不要一直在行政院來來去去審查了那麼多次都一直沒有辦法定案就感覺就決心不夠"},{"start":7249.461,"end":7266.07,"text":"三）委員羅智強等22人擬具:「中華民國刑法第一百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一"},{"start":7267.927,"end":7282.517,"text":"之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一"},{"start":7283.277,"end":7299.132,"text":"再可以刑責恐構成雙重處罰,不符而比例原則。」也有人認為說若逃逸的被告本身犯的是輕罪卻被加判棄跑潛逃罪有可能導致後罪大於全罪,不符比例原則。"},{"start":7300.732,"end":7314.443,"text":"市長你贊成這樣的看法嗎這個我們之前他們在研討的時候有討論過不過我們還是為了維護司法的一個公正審判這個兩個是分開的不是市長我們現在純粹這個這個看法見解啊"},{"start":7318.166,"end":7341.496,"text":"其實我提出我的見解給你看 你看這個是不是有道理就是說你現在我們的很多的刑罰我們除了就是說判有期徒刑以外 我們會並科罰金所以你這個拒保潛逃罪 沒收他的金額 這對你來說就是一個罰金刑然後再給他一個刑度 這怎麼會有什麼不符比例原則的規定呢"},{"start":7342.734,"end":7356.06,"text":"這就跟我們現在的刑法規定一樣啊給你罰金病科罰金就你拒保錢然後你那個金額我就給你沒收拒保券就給你沒收而且給你刑責所以這很OK的我不曉得是哪門子的學者的見解蠻奇怪的"},{"start":7357.952,"end":7374.911,"text":"另外就說什麼若逃獄的被告本身涉犯的是侵罪那被加判棄保潛逃罪有可能導致後罪大於前罪其實部長我不曉得你們有沒有統計過今天這些被告被判侵罪的犯侵罪的人他有可能潛逃嗎"},{"start":7377.193,"end":7394.923,"text":"之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第四百六十一條之一及第七百六十一條之一及第八百六十一條之一及第八百六十一條之一及第"},{"start":7396.244,"end":7417.255,"text":"三）委員羅智強等27人擬具:「中華民國刑法第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百"},{"start":7424.378,"end":7447.029,"text":"之一及第二百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三"},{"start":7456.922,"end":7479.105,"text":"謝謝主席有請徐次長跟我們司法院的代表朱法官朱法官委員好我想大家都應當有聚焦昨天憲法法庭的法規範的審理其實本期在這裡這個會期我從教育文化的領域那一角"},{"start":7480.049,"end":7494.075,"text":"條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第37次全體委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會"},{"start":7495.68,"end":7519.907,"text":"一個以立法院最大、絕對的國會優位的原則下立出來、修出來的惡法除了讓立法院能夠凌駕其他的憲政機關嚴重地破壞台灣的憲政體制以及權力分立它就是毀憲亂政,莫此為勝但是往正面來看正因為國會這樣的惡搞"},{"start":7523.254,"end":7550.071,"text":"三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第二百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六"},{"start":7551.152,"end":7575.603,"text":"不只是立法院的四周也包括全台灣的各個地點各個角落很多的年輕世代青鳥們大家一起來上一堂珍貴的民主課一堂珍貴的公民課我認為這也是珍貴的意義另一個部分就是昨天的憲法法庭"},{"start":7576.443,"end":7602.841,"text":"我想這是台灣有史以來最多人在關注觀看憲法法庭直播的史上第一次同時這也是全台灣一起來上一堂憲法課法律課非常珍貴的時間所以我們的召委昨天也一起出席了我也是申請方的代表"},{"start":7604.212,"end":7607.519,"text":"大法官不是特別對國民黨民眾黨的立委嚴格"},{"start":7608.649,"end":7635.608,"text":"大法官憲法法庭對於憲法受到挑戰當然要嚴格的檢視所以我認為有人要不斷的毀憲亂政摧毀台灣的民主的另外一個面向我認為這是留下一個珍貴的民主憲政探討的資產留給台灣社會我想我們今天在這裡我在國會與眾欣賞"},{"start":7637.915,"end":7647.566,"text":"但是非常遺憾憲法法庭還沒有審理之前甚至還沒有受理之前我們看看國民黨的委員們"},{"start":7649.919,"end":7671.64,"text":"從罵大法官是民進黨的看門狗再批判大法官沒有民意基礎再到要求大法官要自重愛洗羽毛甚至在野黨說如果大法官裁定暫時處分就會對大法官的預算跟人事同意權做出因應這是還沒受理前的國民黨喔"},{"start":7673.294,"end":7689.271,"text":"昨天憲法法庭開了憲法法庭的當庭民眾黨的代表也是立法院的機關代表黃國昌委員他居然以大法官不該成為特定政黨的守護神為題太荒謬了"},{"start":7690.072,"end":7707.492,"text":"甚至到今天憲法法庭開完的今天國民黨今天上午剛剛開完記者會繼續的來鬥臭憲法法庭繼續的抹綠這些大法官國民黨的記者會的主題是憲法法庭到底在捍衛誰的民主法治"},{"start":7708.666,"end":7737.378,"text":"我今天在這裡我要一個一個來回應憲法法庭基於憲法的授權何錯之有昨天立法院的機關代表們國眾黨的委員說程序不完備所謂的暫時處分因為它的性質其實開庭並非必要甚至不是常態而且是第一次吧我說的沒有錯吧"},{"start":7738.547,"end":7758.79,"text":"所以說憲法法庭是特別慎重的過去不需要就暫時處分這種特別開庭因為慎重因為尊重立法院所以特別召開準備庭所有的程序該上網的上網該可以調閱的卷證都完全的提供程序哪裡不完備"},{"start":7759.671,"end":7782.231,"text":"如果國民黨民眾黨的委員在批判大法官程序不完備那請好好思考自己在審議強行碾壓國會擴權法案的時候程序有完備嗎?程序不正義在國會完全被踐踏的第二點有委員說害他這幾天都只睡三個小時好辛苦喔準備時間不足"},{"start":7784.107,"end":7798.256,"text":"當國民黨可以在今年的三月八號民眾黨是二月二十號就提出立法院職權刑事法乃至於刑法的修正案你們送出一個違憲的版本的時候你們就應當做足準備你們會面對憲法的挑戰時間不足嗎"},{"start":7803.499,"end":7816.674,"text":"甚至你們最後一刻黑箱橋條文我要說國民黨跟民眾黨的委員是事先比要被表決的條文是什麼比民進黨的委員都預先知道因為當時他們列為最高機密"},{"start":7817.83,"end":7832.551,"text":"五季不對等嗎?我要再還原那天在朝野協商韓院長主持的民進黨是禮讓了立法院的機關代表讓國民黨民眾黨代表包括訴訟代理人民進黨是禮讓的"},{"start":7834.707,"end":7852.283,"text":"但是另外這邊有人說12比3為什麼這邊是12因為有四個申請的機關總統府行政院監察院立法院是同用共享昨天在憲法法庭的時間如果以可以在庭論述發表意見的時間上來講"},{"start":7855.856,"end":7877.314,"text":"四個機關分享三十分鐘但是立法院的機關代表就使用三十分鐘完全是均等甚至大家可以看看昨天的直播是誰占用了更多的時間大法官也充分的讓立法院的機關代表來發表意見不是嗎所以沒有武器不對等這件事"},{"start":7878.533,"end":7905.218,"text":"昨天大法官真的是只求對決了但是大法官是做求給立法院的機關代表委員們充分的可以針對是不是有違憲或者是他們主張核憲充分的一題又一題給機會再給機會聚焦再聚焦給予立法院的機關代表幾位立法委員完整的時間去做回應"},{"start":7906.454,"end":7921.294,"text":"所以如果現在還是要用這種政治來詆毀威脅大法官真的是對於憲政另外一個層面的大傷害"},{"start":7922.637,"end":7924.438,"text":"三）委員羅智強等22人擬具〈中華民國刑法部分條文修正草案案〉案。"},{"start":7943.223,"end":7966.59,"text":"今天的主題防礙司法公正罪我的主張修法不要為急而急不要為快而快不要只做半套下一頁當然剛剛很多委員都提到司改國是會議在2017年就做出了決議確實要研議相關的防礙司法公正罪的內容下一頁"},{"start":7967.799,"end":7990.949,"text":"法務部的版本2019年9月17號第一次送入行政院到今天是過了1759天卡關的原因你們剛剛說明了是為了力求周延為求慎重對話再對話凝聚共識而不是推卸也不是延宕更不是怠惰"},{"start":7991.889,"end":7997.299,"text":"我可以接受我可以理解因為這樣一個重要的修法都需要比嚴謹更嚴謹"},{"start":8000.089,"end":8020.6,"text":"所以我在這裡具體提出其實整個全方位的來看看妨害司法公正罪除了在野黨的委員都有提到的棄保潛逃罪他們都有提到的司法關說罪乃至於在野黨版本有都提出了恐嚇騷擾行賄證人罪之外其實更完備的還有幾個面向譬如說淹滅證據罪"},{"start":8022.481,"end":8050.034,"text":"例如說訴訟外目的使用證據罪例如說藐視法庭罪我知道法務部想提但司法院有不同意見所以這是我建構出來也是我的理解整個要全套系統性的去理解訂定一個妨礙司法公正罪每一個面向都不可偏廢而不是現在只有在野黨委員比較側重的三大目標我想次長同意我的主張嗎"},{"start":8051.745,"end":8077.852,"text":"報委同意好那下一頁我甚至這裡都做出來國眾黨分別都聚焦在棄保潛逃罪恐嚇騷擾行賄證人罪及司法關說罪但是對於訴訟外目的使用證據罪跟湮滅證據罪是目前複製缺乳的我認為這就是我們需要等行政院版的理由不要只修半套下一頁"},{"start":8079.144,"end":8095.223,"text":"民眾黨甚至我聚焦在司法觀說罪對不起最後一分鐘司法觀說罪我的主張要擴大打擊範圍因為現在以民眾黨的主張是針對在法定程序外對法官或檢察官不法觀說者"},{"start":8096.084,"end":8117.482,"text":"五四謠的主張跟建議也是參酌你們今天的說明報告你們認為說實務上若發生對承辦法官檢察官的長官關說的情形其實應該一併考量有無處罰之必要所以五四謠的主張納入法官檢察官有直接監督的長官也應當是不當關說處罰的對象"},{"start":8119.804,"end":8132.097,"text":"而且他的行為除了關說之外也應當更擴大範圍在請託跟施壓的面的層面要予以來容納下一頁"},{"start":8133.476,"end":8160.384,"text":"因為我很遺憾的說立法院不應當成為各種利用質詢來對於各案乃至於對於司法來介入或干預的作為所以我更為嚴謹的我希望可以在172條之五裡頭具體的來做出我的建議就是向承辦法官檢察官或其監督長官不罰請託"},{"start":8163.446,"end":8182.285,"text":"關說施壓者都要一併來成為處罰的標的定定相關的法則我這樣的主張我認為是擴大打擊也是現在我們的必要否則外力的介入對於長官們的施壓"},{"start":8183.846,"end":8199.657,"text":"或是關說各種方式的請託也就來自於政治力我們自己立法委員修法也要勇敢對自己開槍對自己來嚴格的審視跟克責我不曉得法務部代表司法院代表同意我這樣的主張嗎就是針對這個關說的部分"},{"start":8202.299,"end":8225.36,"text":"法務委員同意同意來司法院就相關的政策決定部分司法院都予以尊重好那我認為我們往這個方向我相信在野黨委員也會支持我們一起來自我克責跟自律我們如果要對於非法關說罪定我們就定的明確擴大打擊面我會爭取大家的支持然後我同意給予你們合理的時間提出布板"},{"start":8226.101,"end":8244.49,"text":"院版然後還要會會嫌司法院求好而不是求快我會繼續努力下去也會監督你們好謝謝主席謝謝市長謝謝好謝謝吳委員好那我們就請那個林思明委員代理主席"},{"start":8253.667,"end":8254.868,"text":"條文修正草案案。"},{"start":8278.605,"end":8300.13,"text":"兩位好我先請教一下次長我們來看一下其實我們這段時間我想說次長一定非常清楚一個案子在偵辦的時候被告沒有達到羈押的必要的時候這時候我們可能會用交保的方式希望他將來能夠順利的到庭會讓訴訟能夠順遂"},{"start":8305.071,"end":8325.304,"text":"三）委員羅智強等22人擬具:「中華民國刑法第一百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百"},{"start":8332.381,"end":8359.002,"text":"二）委員羅福柱等22人擬具:「中華民國刑法第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百"},{"start":8362.517,"end":8364.499,"text":"其他的我們不是很清楚,都是傳說的。"},{"start":8378.137,"end":8403.195,"text":"三）委員羅智強等22人擬具:「中華民國刑法第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百"},{"start":8403.735,"end":8430.709,"text":"之一及第一百六十三條之一及第二百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三"},{"start":8432.89,"end":8450.58,"text":"就是一兩千萬幾百萬或是五億這種交保金額其實對他來說他都不會當作是一個損失那其實我在上任不久後二月中我就有跟那個羅智強委員我們有一起主張說我們應該要修法解決這個問題應該要新增這個棄保檢討罪"},{"start":8455.023,"end":8465.202,"text":"因為我們目前國家有五萬多個通緝犯有一半是在起訴之後在審判或者是他在面臨執行之前他就跑掉了"},{"start":8466.035,"end":8487.27,"text":"三）委員羅智強等二十一條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第二百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一"},{"start":8488.07,"end":8506.231,"text":"之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三"},{"start":8506.852,"end":8528.861,"text":"之一及第二百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三"},{"start":8530.026,"end":8548.289,"text":"三）委員羅智強等22人擬具:「中華民國刑法第一百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百"},{"start":8549.113,"end":8570.545,"text":"三）委員羅智強等22人擬具:「中華民國刑法第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一"},{"start":8571.625,"end":8593.597,"text":"保證金的沒收之外還是有其他的責任去對他刻意其他的責任那我想請問一下目前法務部的防治那個棄保潛逃有有什麼具體做法因為我看你們今天的報告也沒有提到具體的措施啊我就簡單來說就是到底法務部目前有什麼防逃機制哎"},{"start":8604.33,"end":8609.236,"text":"我想科技監控大概是以前我們剛開始當檢察官比較多的這個設備如果將來我們設計這個草案它違背了我們監控的一些做法"},{"start":8623.234,"end":8644.595,"text":"三）委員羅智強等27人擬具:「中華民國刑法第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百"},{"start":8644.875,"end":8666.57,"text":"三）委員羅智強等22人擬具:「中華民國刑法第一百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一"},{"start":8667.51,"end":8696.36,"text":"為例,我們是編列三千八百一十一萬八千元的預算但是到一百一十二年的八月底才受理二十二件這個數字你看一下這上面這個數字啊因為我們編了幾千萬然後只有少數幾件那再來就是我們剛剛提到了去年一月到八月就有八百個通緝犯然後我們一整年到八月底受理二十二件"},{"start":8697.921,"end":8712.955,"text":"此數字差距其實蠻大的再來就是科技監控中心在110年度構置的電子手環、腳鐐還有居家讀取器、個案的手機這些總共是550組、220組、110組跟330組也就是說"},{"start":8718.82,"end":8743.791,"text":"之一及第一百六十三條之一及第二百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三"},{"start":8743.951,"end":8765.809,"text":"二）委員羅智強等27人擬具:「中華民國刑法第一百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百"},{"start":8766.408,"end":8782.572,"text":"之一及第一百六十三條之一及第二百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三"},{"start":8782.992,"end":8804.448,"text":"三）委員羅智強等22人擬具:「中華民國刑法第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百"},{"start":8812.193,"end":8812.513,"text":"三）委員羅智強等22人擬具"},{"start":8835.859,"end":8863.169,"text":"那這再麻煩你們瞭解一下然後再來就是有關護照的部分因為今天我看很多人有提到護照的這個問題那我們之前那個212號在高檢署有召開一個判決確定案件外逃人犯註銷護照精英作為的會議那這時候呢其實會議有說到幾個實行案逃這四個標準嘛"},{"start":8864.946,"end":8886.861,"text":"那我也不為難次長啦,時就是時程嘛,要判決確定,刑就是刑度,就是六個月或更重之罪,未違反刑的宣告。案就是要重大案件,比如說我們檢方的重大刑案的注意事項,第二點的重大案件或是經濟重大的經濟案件這一類的,那個頭就是已經未執行或執行完畢。"},{"start":8888.348,"end":8900.234,"text":"或執行未完畢然後通緝外逃的。」好 那我們當時的會議是主要是這四個點啦 那我想請教一下 這個註銷護照有什麼 有有有辦法防逃嗎他"},{"start":8906.087,"end":8933.866,"text":"他沒有在在國外的話沒有我們的護照他就沒有辦法移動那那我請問一下吼這幾年有我們講去這三年內有多少人是因為護照註銷之後然後然後我們順利的把他抓回來來來來呃受審或者是執行我們目前是有有我們發函註銷三百二十六個人的護照但是目前並沒有"},{"start":8935.39,"end":8960.67,"text":"三）委員羅智強等22人擬具:「中華民國刑法第一百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百"},{"start":8963.032,"end":8982.512,"text":"效果,所以這幾年根本沒有人因為這樣子棄貨回來所以我們是不是還在想有沒有其他的方式所以這樣啦我是希望法務部能夠在一個月內就棄保潛逃這個議題提出幾個說明第一個就是說目前這個法案研議的進度怎麼樣"},{"start":8984.073,"end":9003.027,"text":"二）委員羅智強等22人擬具:「中華民國刑法第一百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百"},{"start":9008.931,"end":9037.277,"text":"因為注銷護照而棄貨多少人逃亡的人數有沒有因此而下降我希望說一個月內能夠給我這些資料啦好那不好意思那我再請教一下那個警政署署長我們用朱國榮的案子來說朱國榮的案子他他有好像是四天沒到派出所報到然後才發現他跑掉才通知法院那我想請問一下警政署對這個狀況有沒有什麼改善"},{"start":9038.456,"end":9062.815,"text":"四天欸四天的已經都跑去哪裡了現在現在針對這個應該他沒有來他沒有按照時間來就立刻要反映那我們刑事局事實上也有一些相關通報機制那這件確實是疏失那我們經過這件也是有內部檢討然後通靈一定要按照如果沒有按照遵期來報到一定要立刻反映"},{"start":9064.028,"end":9087.162,"text":"整個部分就是檢討內部檢討的問題那內部檢討是一回事啊那這樣好不好就兩週內你提出一個檢討報案改善措施因為朱國榮他這個案子是四天沒有來才通知法院那其實他當當天沒有來的話你們連是不是應該就一些重要案子或是普遍你就要去聯繫嗎聯繫不上的話你們就要有警覺"},{"start":9090.183,"end":9108.407,"text":"兩週內要給我這個檢討報告還有改善措施那要麻煩你們清查一下目前有多少被告是定期要到派出所報到的那有沒有一些相關的SOP要趕快建立起來最後我跟那個次長說明一下剛剛那個吳少偉講那個我覺得"},{"start":9111.989,"end":9136.539,"text":"這個他講的東西跟我國法制還是有不一樣啦因為他提到幾個說用武器不平等齁這個其實我們常用的法律專有名詞嘛所以用在這個地方他的用法好像不太對啦然後另外就是說他說大法官比較對立法院厚愛啦所以說這個可以不用開庭的所以他還讓你開庭所以表示對你好"},{"start":9137.279,"end":9137.72,"text":"三）委員羅智強等27人擬具"},{"start":9154.337,"end":9171.307,"text":"三）委員羅智強等27人擬具:「中華民國刑法第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第一百"},{"start":9177.031,"end":9200.24,"text":"立法院之間的訴訟標的不同所以訴訟標的不同原本是不同案件我們從這個角度去看他到底是不是要請那個幾個律師嗎而不是說用那種用那種很法盲的角度去說放在一起12個律師放在一起共用時間所以這個是對立法院好啊所以你們剛剛也不要這樣子"},{"start":9203.319,"end":9208.657,"text":"三）委員羅智強等27人擬具:「中華民國刑法第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一"},{"start":9209.755,"end":9238.414,"text":"一個案子請三個律師上線 這沒有錯但是在面對四個機關他們四個不同的訴訟標的的時候其實它是不同的案子所以我們主張是所謂的武器平等不平等是從這個角度出發去思考這是法律人的思考角度那不懂的法盲去這樣子胡扯亂帶風向我是不喜歡這樣子其實我跟你講我來這我很不喜歡去打臉一些不懂法律又愛在這裡講法律的人但是齁一直都在我面前一直這樣我就"},{"start":9239.275,"end":9260.538,"text":"三）委員羅智強等22人擬具:「中華民國刑法第一百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百"},{"start":9262.056,"end":9284.995,"text":"三）委員羅智強等22人擬具:「中華民國刑法第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一"},{"start":9296.211,"end":9297.692,"text":"五分鐘後處理臨時提案"},{"start":10268.39,"end":10275.575,"text":"好那我們現在繼續開會我們出臨時提案共兩案請一併宣讀宣讀後再主案處理請宣讀"},{"start":10276.917,"end":10297.74,"text":"零時提案一略以有限於近年來食安、公害、金融及獨職必案層出不窮且制定必接避者保護專法為反貪腐之重要機制亦為國際間衡量國家聯能之重要指標為落實保障接避者權益並盡速建立專法將接避者權益保護民文化"},{"start":10298.22,"end":10319.191,"text":"以提供揭露不法諮詢者全面性質保護機制,原提案要求法務部於兩個月內與行政院積極溝通並讓行政院板儘速通過並送進立法院審議,若通過衛國亦應於兩個月後將其揭秘者保護法草案與法務部官網上公告。提案人委員吳宗憲等。"},{"start":10320.071,"end":10340.862,"text":"零十提案二．國際人權公約及刑事訴訟法無罪推定原則．法院對未申請羈押及未受羈押者實施科技設備監控應兼顧人權保障及公共利益並應確保手段符合比例原則且應有具體規定統一公告然現行科技監控手段並無具體標準"},{"start":10341.943,"end":10366.038,"text":"全依法官行政,亦發生不符比例原則或逾越必要之監控情節,故請司法院研議修正,巡視被告科技設備監控執行辦法,依所涉犯罪之情節,依比例原則具體規定電子較聊、電子手環、手機監控等不同辦法應適用何種犯罪行為人,尤其對於暴力犯罪及一般犯罪應有所居格。第二人委員羅智強、王洪威等宣讀完畢。"},{"start":10370.2,"end":10375.309,"text":"就臨時提案第一案針對臨時提案請問機關有其他意見或說明"},{"start":10379.759,"end":10399.083,"text":"條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12"},{"start":10408.445,"end":10435.438,"text":"行政院沒有同意之下我們就進行把它公告這樣子我們法務部的立場會會非常的為難謝謝委員是不是能把它刪除請問各位委員有沒有意見同意齁好那如果各位委員同意的話那我們臨時提案第一案就依照修正後的文字通過"},{"start":10437.109,"end":10446.163,"text":"我們現在處理臨時提案第二案請問臨時提案第二案的提案人有無提案說明"},{"start":10449.737,"end":10469.232,"text":"三）委員羅智強等22人擬具:「中華民國刑法第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百"},{"start":10469.452,"end":10475.415,"text":"三（立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第37次全體委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員"},{"start":10495.626,"end":10512.857,"text":"由其對於暴力犯罪及一般犯罪應有區隔。」那這個部分也跟剛剛所講的這個的標準好像有點漢格那是不是可以把它我們再如果說委員關心這部分的話我們把它改軟一點就把它改成並考量"},{"start":10513.777,"end":10534.611,"text":"暴力犯罪及一般犯罪是否有所區隔?」以這樣的文字來呈現那最後要講一個重點因為這個法規命令其實不是只有司法院的獨立的權責而已還有涉及到跟法務部跟法務部要會嫌的問題那這部分是不是也容許給我們內部跟法務部"},{"start":10535.251,"end":10557.542,"text":"三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六"},{"start":10558.923,"end":10580.874,"text":"研議修正是請司法院研議修正的話似乎我們確認一下也是這樣的一個意旨我們先內部跟要有給我們一點時間跟法務部有一個研議修正的這樣子的一個時間那不一定說馬上就急著要提出這樣的一個修法那如果是這樣子的話這樣子的臨時提案我們是勉強可以接受以上"},{"start":10584.343,"end":10609.856,"text":"請問各位委員就機關他希望能夠做如上的修正那各位委員是否同意有異議那個報告主席基本上就是他那個所做的文字修正我都沒有什麼意見就是可以按照這個司法院修正那另外我想請教就是因為其實我這提案也是請你們研議修正所以你們再跟法務部再來開會討論都沒有問題"},{"start":10612.637,"end":10632.925,"text":"那只是說那這樣的話你們可不可以大致就是說我們可以講一個時間因為你們上你們本來講說可以到下會區可以講你們大概有個時間嗎因為現在我剛才聽該溝通的時候司法院事實上現在也在準備要來做一些修正對不對可以嗎"},{"start":10639.758,"end":10664.026,"text":"之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第二百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三"},{"start":10670.479,"end":10675.022,"text":"三個月後還是三個月內?"},{"start":10694.52,"end":10698.021,"text":"三個月內三個月後太久了三個月內好謝謝"},{"start":10718.986,"end":10741.96,"text":"請問各位委員就剛剛那個王洪威委員所提的堅以及機關所提的意見那就我們對本臨時提案二做修正請問各位委員有無其異議好那沒有異議的話臨時提案第二案依照一討論後修正文字通過"},{"start":10744.588,"end":10748.851,"text":"那下一位我們請王洪威委員進行詢問好謝謝主席我請我們的法務部次長麻煩次長委員好"},{"start":10769.364,"end":10783.523,"text":"市長好市長其實今天我們立法院正在進行朝野協商那其中協商主要的內容就是有關於打詐司法那大家都有關於法詐騙打詐大家非常非常關心"},{"start":10784.324,"end":10807.511,"text":"但是呢最近我們所接獲到的一些的資訊其實讓我們非常非常的憂心因為呢現在這些的詐團他們真的非常非常的神通廣大而且呢據我們所了解的甚至呢他們都可以滲入到主流的媒體還不是一般的社群平台"},{"start":10808.371,"end":10809.612,"text":"甚至還出現了由我們政府的平台來幫他們背書。這個簡直是匪夷所思。在上個星期我曾經開記者會提出來"},{"start":10823.607,"end":10830.709,"text":"就是在我們檢調其實也要肯定我們一線的檢調人員他們在整個打詐有一些成果那麼我們這個虛擬貨幣S王牌交易所那麼他們有這個詐騙洗錢的這個狀況然後呢已經有32個人陸陸續續被起訴而且呢他們的這個洗錢的金額非常龐大"},{"start":10852.176,"end":10879.772,"text":"但是呢後來我們發現這個涉案的主嫌呢竟然可以跟我們三立的集團的子公司一起來合資來開公司而且這個主嫌就協助洗錢幫主嫌洗錢的這個所開立的公司竟然也可以長生在三立集團所有的大樓裡面"},{"start":10881.053,"end":10900.6,"text":"三）委員羅智強等22人擬具:「中華民國刑法第一百六十一條之一及第一百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十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包委員我自己就是檢察官我們的辦案對這個法律也非常非常的需求"},{"start":11491.232,"end":11516.745,"text":"之一及第一百六十三條之一及第二百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三"},{"start":11519.006,"end":11529.873,"text":"檢察官簡直是蠻翻了天在這樣的一個情況之下我們看到107年起因為成長案件一直成長所以107年那個起合爭了檢察機構一千人"},{"start":11536.836,"end":11552.482,"text":"為了執行這個打擊詐欺的業務一百一十二年我們更同意檢察官的助理人員兩百五十人所以請教部長目前請教市長目前的人力怎麼樣呢我們當然需要這個"},{"start":11556.977,"end":11580.144,"text":"三）委員羅智強等第二百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第二百六十三條之一及第二百六十三條之一及第二百六十三條之一及第二百六十三條之一及第二百六十三條之一及第二百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條之一及第三百六十三條"},{"start":11585.39,"end":11606.394,"text":"一百一十二年是一百個一百一十三年是一百五十個對那現在呢現在禁用的情況怎麼樣呢一百個都禁用了那一百五十個是現在正在各地檢測正在禁用中所以本席也就是說我們既然看到社會的面向有這個需求那我們在執行的這個過程當中我們要積極"},{"start":11609.955,"end":11626.148,"text":"三）委員羅智強等22人擬具:「中華民國刑法第一百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百"},{"start":11638.699,"end":11648.265,"text":"應該很快會在各地去補足吧?現在正在禁用中因為現在目前看到地檢署都在禁用中都在禁用中一起加油謝謝謝謝委員謝謝王委員接下來我們請鄭天才委員鄭天才委員鄭天才委員"},{"start":11659.686,"end":11685.669,"text":"鄭振前委員鄭振前委員鄭振前委員洪孟楷委員洪孟楷委員洪孟楷委員張綺楷委員張綺楷委員張綺楷委員邱志維委員邱志維委員邱志維委員邱志維委員傅坤祺委員傅坤祺委員傅坤祺委員好那我們接下來請羅智強委員進行詢問"},{"start":11699.232,"end":11723.428,"text":"有請次長麻煩次長委員好次長好今年2月17號我開記者會參議要修訂棄保檢討罪那這個會期的尾聲樂見法案開始審理那這是避免罪犯逃逸不受司法制裁改革第一理路那也是守護司法正義的第一理路"},{"start":11724.332,"end":11753.445,"text":"那去年詐欺案件發生將近三萬八千件超過八十八億這個詐損那雙雙創下中華民國歷史新高實際上民進黨執政八年這個台灣詐欺案成長1.8倍讓很多的國人家破人亡而詐騙集團的首腦幹部很多目前都藏身國外那利用網路通訊繼續遠端指揮嘛 對不對事實上有這個情形嘛 對不對知道是沒錯"},{"start":11754.165,"end":11768.566,"text":"所以現在逍遙法外的通緝犯有多少百分比涉犯的是詐欺罪你有掌握嗎我們目前只有通緝的罪名"},{"start":11770.865,"end":11771.245,"text":"三）委員羅智強等27人擬具"},{"start":11790.971,"end":11812.42,"text":"根據刑事局統計目前有超過八萬名通緝犯登記在案其中有出境紀錄高達八千人有一半是在起訴後的審判或執行階段逃脫那實際上也對我們的司法威信跟社會治安造成很嚴重的威脅但現行法制規範是依法逮捕拘禁脫逃者"},{"start":11813.24,"end":11826.768,"text":"那有刑責但對具保責付限制租居限制出境出海的被告有逃逆行為的時候那只能夠按照刑事訴訟法一百一十八條末路保證金並沒有刑責嘛對不對現狀是這樣所以造成我們現在氣保潛逃者為數者眾"},{"start":11832.791,"end":11856.276,"text":"也傷害我們司法公正的信任度從此警政的單位要耗費大量的人力去追捕棄保潛逃的通緝犯所以我們有參照美國的法制的棄保潛逃罪以及我們這個司法改革國是會在2017年的決議增加了這個第一段後項就是將棄保潛逃入罪來提高棄保潛逃的這個"},{"start":11859.518,"end":11885.078,"text":"法律的嚇阻。那麼我要想問一下實際上今天我們討論的不管是妨礙司法公正棄保檢討的刑法修正案行政院從2019年11月到2024年3月已經召開11次審查會這麼漫長的時間仍在審議沒有通過院會提出院版我想請教部長到底是什麼原因院內反對意見又是什麼"},{"start":11885.916,"end":11908.446,"text":"我不是院內的那個院裡面的長官反對喔不是因為棄保潛逃罪那他就是美國立法的立法的概念喔那我們實體法是承襲歐美法系的有不正不自正擊罪的原則喔那這兩個比較不是很很相同的一個法理要結合在一起"},{"start":11908.846,"end":11932.083,"text":"之一及第一百六十一條之一及第二百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一條之一及第三百六十一及第三百六十一及第三百"},{"start":11932.583,"end":11957.073,"text":"三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六十三條之一及第一百六"},{"start":11959.35,"end":11968.695,"text":"這是整個刑法修改草案是在一起的,都是妨礙司法公正的。"},{"start":11970.138,"end":11988.503,"text":"實際上我沒有看到你們願版啊沒關係我跟你講我現在待會要問法案司法公正罪我先把那個棄保潛逃這部分問完像國保集團總裁朱國榮涉及重大經濟犯罪無意交保卻在去年9月棄保潛逃直到今年2月最高檢韓請北檢啟動廢紙註銷護照程序才註銷了朱國榮的護照"},{"start":11994.045,"end":12013.37,"text":"那我想請問一下這難怪其實很多人都講說今天沒有七寶潛逃罪啊七寶潛逃就是相對變相的付費逃亡反正有錢人他無所謂啊對不對你交保金就五億他也無所謂啊對不對因為尤其是像其他的包括炸雞飯那個炸雞金額更高的時候更無所謂"},{"start":12014.25,"end":12033.196,"text":"但是我就要從這個案例來問為什麼針對棄保潛逃的逃犯那通常是由檢查機關發函外交部依照護照條例來廢止逃犯逃犯的護照對不對那為什麼剛我講那個諸國人的案子這個經歷了半年之久花那麼長的時間從潛逃到註銷護照"},{"start":12038.919,"end":12064.158,"text":"通緝要不要護照從潛逃棄保潛逃到註銷護照大概將近半年的時間這個是由法院跟司法機關他是接到通知外交部來決定是不是我這樣講我覺得整個的那個註銷護照程序都要重新再檢討為什麼因為事實上應該要去有些配套就是說賦予法院主動註銷"},{"start":12065.772,"end":12086.781,"text":"逃犯護照的權益,然後同時減少行政機關擁藏罪。」因為實際上我們在偵辦犯罪也是分秒必爭嘛 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