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昨天也致電陳培瑜書記長，馬祖還有很多事情，我們也希望藍綠共同來合作，這個很重要。上次去高雄飛馬祖航線，很可惜！我們很辛苦，我在這邊質詢台質詢了4年，好不容易爭取到飛一班，才一班！當然華信很辛苦，它沒有飛機、沒有機師，在這樣的情況之下，你看又是燃料油的問題，我們都找了中油等很多單位幫忙，部長那邊是最辛苦的，幫我們努力。"],["陳部長世凱：委員比較辛苦。"],["陳委員雪生：部長，有沒有機會再增加一班，好不好？"],["陳部長世凱：我們現在先看運量，我們先一班飛飛看，如果是運量很充足，或者是需求大於供給的時候，我們供給面當然就想辦法來增加。"],["陳委員雪生：因為禮拜五這裡的客人飛過去，他沒有飛機回來，是不是？禮拜五飛過去，如果禮拜一、禮拜二有飛機回來的話，這一條線才叫完全打通。我們確實很努力在做這件事情，我也知道交通部很努力，我們藍綠白的立委大家都很辛苦在幫我們馬祖爭取，我非常感謝，尤其我們地方政府的王忠銘縣長，還有我們張永江議長，特別要我在這邊對部長表示感謝，好不好？"],["陳部長世凱：大家一起努力，謝謝。"],["陳委員雪生：另外，猛澳港到西莒這個地方的工程看似不大，但是非常艱巨，它的遊客中心啟用，葉局長很辛苦，早上飛過去，下午飛回來，把它啟用了。但是這個島，我前幾天上島的時候，兩百多個人上去，算是非常多的人，最近觀光，馬祖不如澎湖跟金門來得預期的那麼好，人數非常少，所以民眾也抱怨，等於就是旺季的時候才有人去，要5、6個月，可以說非常慘淡地經營。部長能不能督促觀光署風景管理處，這兩個島每一年增加一個景點，因為阿兵哥有廢棄的營區等等，稍微投入一、兩千萬弄個景點出來，讓觀光客到那邊有得走嘛！好不好？這個拜託部長好不好？你記下來。"],["陳部長世凱：好，我們來研究一下。"],["陳委員雪生：我們14號要去馬祖考察，這裡面大部分地方政府都是對交通部感謝啦，唯一的就是北竿機場還有點雜音，何局長今天沒有來，拜託部長跟何局長講，尤其是配套措施要注意好不好？委託港公司做嘛！港公司規劃設計還沒有出來，有一些施工的期程不是很清楚，請他們在簡報上對後續的噪音、一些交通的補助、對居民造成不便的，這些配套都提醒它注意一下好不好？"],["陳部長世凱：好，我請他們儘量做比較詳細的說明。"],["陳委員雪生：因為這個說明會部長可能不參加，主要是由民航局來簡報。"],["陳部長世凱：請他們做更詳細的說明。"],["陳委員雪生：還有馬祖大橋，今天公路局有來嗎？馬祖大橋那天我在總質詢的時候，公路總局委託世曦做綜合規劃，綜合規劃已經也報院了，馬祖大橋在100年8月的時候，還有111年6月、111年12月，綜合規劃報院，112年，院裡面講說施工等到……因為跟北竿機場有關聯，它說等施工的時候再評估。另委託「連江縣南北竿跨海大橋規劃興建之探討」報告書，報告書送院，目前在行政院審查，交通部還沒有接到備查的程序嘛，我希望公路總局對這個部分還是緊盯著，好不好？另外能不能請公路總局給世曦一張函文？因為那天提到288億，是你們最後算出來的，是不是這樣？"],["陳局長文瑞：對，綜規的報告我們是288億。"],["陳委員雪生：後續院長嘴巴吐出來三百多億，很像是三百七十幾億，這個數字是英商那邊提出來的，我想英商提出來的數字絕對沒有世曦準確，是不是請交通部再函文給世曦，請他們精算好不好？"],["陳部長世凱：可是我們綜規裡面世曦已經做了精算。"],["陳委員雪生：綜規裡面是288億，但是它卻採用英商的報告說三百多億，三百多億跟兩百多億差很多，目前我們也沒有急，因為院裡面的粗估評估是要等北竿機場施工的時候討論這件事情，但是我們未雨綢繆，有一些東西先把它準備好，局長可以嗎？"],["陳局長文瑞：世曦這邊相關計算的部分，我想我們會跟他們討論。"],["陳委員雪生：好，局長請回，這些拜託一下好不好？弄完以後跟我回報一下。風景管理處的橋仔遊客中心大概延宕一、兩年了，督促觀光署儘快把它完成，好不好？"],["陳部長世凱：好。"],["陳委員雪生：橋仔跟大坵的頭端，那個遊客中心動作快一點。馬祖現在工程很傷腦筋，錢、預算來了，工程發包不出去，我們的中山國中，就是北竿的中山國中，發包多少次？發包27次，最後縣政府為什麼要妥協呢？因為這個發包不出去的話，預算要繳回，那個錢好不容易爭取到手，肉已經到嘴巴口了，你說我們不吞下去嗎？所以減項發包，勉強廠商進場。類似的工程很多，馬祖那邊做工程非常辛苦，所以我拜託，因為還有砂石的問題等等。交通部這邊當然對我們很幫忙，有一些是透過小三通的貨船從大陸運砂石到馬祖來，馬祖缺工缺料很嚴重，所以拜託交通部，已經幫忙了，再更進一步好不好？","還有一個問題就是小三通我們通得非常不好，五一長假你看大陸來了很多到金門去，我們馬祖寥寥無幾，倒是我們去的人比較多。現在還有一個就是平潭，平潭的船要直航臺北港，當初國安的考慮是什麼呢？國安的考慮是他們的船過來，我們沒有船過去，因為要雙向嘛！但現在我們也大概找了一條船，準備從臺北港往平潭，這樣雙向就對等嘛！部長回去找航港局再研究一下好不好？這裡面可能還要跟陸委會磋商啦，因為現在兩岸的情勢非常不好啊！兩岸對峙得非常嚴重，因為不是攻臺了，現在在圍臺嘛！是不是？氣氛很不好，那我又擔心什麼呢？現在臺灣很多同胞、鄉親去大陸，比如老百姓這樣去自由行沒有問題，如果團去的話，或是比如說有一些團體去的話，可能會被調查、會被問話，所以他們有些也不報名了，就躊躇不前。陸客來這裡咧？我們也不放，為什麼咧？他來這邊我們都把他當匪諜啊！可能是不是刺探軍情或是收買我們人心或是搞一些統戰。"],["陳部長世凱：不會啦，不會把觀光客當匪諜。"],["陳委員雪生：所以這個兩岸的問題……"],["陳部長世凱：去年也來了三十幾萬人。"],["陳委員雪生：剛才我跟我弟弟在辦公室還在聊天，趕快去大陸，不去的話以後去不了了，因為人都有這樣的一個心理嘛！小兩會目前有沒有跟對方去接觸？"],["陳部長世凱：我們有跟他們接觸，但目前他們沒有比較善意的回應。"],["陳委員雪生：沒有善意回應啊？"],["陳部長世凱：是。"],["陳委員雪生：我上次去大陸杭州的時候，跟他們聊，他們說希望我們小兩會跟他們提出來。"],["陳部長世凱：我們有提啊！"],["陳委員雪生：有嗎？"],["陳部長世凱：我們有，我們有提。"],["陳委員雪生：好，我碰到他們的這些領導，有機會的話，我也希望能夠把兩岸的緊張情勢逐漸緩和，但是希望你們不要把我當匪諜好不好？"],["陳部長世凱：不會啦！"],["陳委員雪生：會不會？"],["陳部長世凱：不會。"],["陳委員雪生：用什麼反滲透法，等一下人家立法委員幹不成沒關係，被抓起來關了一下。這一點拜託部長，能夠在兩岸旅遊的部分努力，因為觀光業最近很慘。"],["陳部長世凱：這個部分還是歡迎他們來。"],["陳委員雪生：謝謝部長的協助，那麼就14號馬祖見，好不好？考察的時候也拜託部長多費點心，好不好？你去馬祖……因為沒去過幾次嘛！好不好？謝謝部長。"],["陳部長世凱：好，謝謝委員，謝謝。"],["陳委員雪生：好，謝謝召委。"],["主席：好，謝謝，我們請陳素月委員。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":162,"meet_id":"委員會-11-3-23-10","speakers":["許智傑","洪孟楷","李昆澤","張啓楷","黃健豪","徐富癸","蔡其昌","林俊憲","陳雪生","陳素月","魯明哲","何欣純","邱若華","廖先翔","鍾佳濱","林宜瑾","黃捷","林國成","林月琴","張雅琳","楊瓊瓔","李坤城","涂權吉","蘇清泉","游顥","徐欣瑩"],"page_start":91,"meetingDate":["2025-05-08"],"gazette_id":"1144701","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1144701_00004"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第3會期交通委員會第10次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、邀請交通部部長陳世凱、內政部及教育部就「人本交通」及「交通安全」施行狀況進行專題\n報告，並備質詢；二、處理113年度中央政府總預算附屬單位預算關於交通部主管預算凍結案計\n2案","agenda_id":"1144701_00003"}}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}