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謝謝"},{"start":2206.991,"end":2212.433,"text":"今天最主要討論請各位黨團幹部來就是要討論我們協商第二會期開議日以及邀請行政院院長進行施政報告並備質詢請"},{"start":2234.246,"end":2237.072,"text":"各黨團來依序發表大家寶貴的意見請"},{"start":2240.636,"end":2264.834,"text":"林斯銘副院長、黨團幹部。依照過去,我們的開議日期都是在中秋節過後。中秋節昨天已經過了,所以今天的協商,我們也希望趕快進出來開會。所以我們是想說在9月20日星期五就來開議。"},{"start":2266.135,"end":2266.155,"text":"臺灣民眾黨黨團"},{"start":2291.564,"end":2316.98,"text":"沒有問題我們的立場向來就是盡快開議今天18號最快就20號所以我想這個對臺灣民眾黨團來講沒有問題那只不過說在進行的順序上面因為各個委員會各個委員會應該最快是下禮拜三吧才會去選召委所以我們希望針對20號開議23號禮拜一"},{"start":2323.086,"end":2323.667,"text":"9月23日禮拜二"},{"start":2349.147,"end":2371.478,"text":"邀請行政院院長率統相關部會首長針對賴清德政府能源政策配比及電價政策先進行專案報告因為這個事情攸關非常多臺灣人民目前現在的生活十月份的電價看起來又是蠢蠢欲動"},{"start":2372.831,"end":2396.376,"text":"目前針對有關於賴清德政府在整個能源政策上面相關的推動社會上面大家不僅有非常多的質疑也非常多的關切這件事情到目前為止整個卓榮泰內閣說不清楚也講不明白因此我們希望下禮拜一的時候"},{"start":2397.284,"end":2413.076,"text":"能夠邀請所動派院長率相關部會首長列席提出專案報告並備質詢正式開始總質詢的時間如果考量到"},{"start":2415.837,"end":2430.135,"text":"禮拜五的時候可能還有一些報告事項跟討論事項我們要依序處理可能會延到下午那是不是也可以考慮說等到下個禮拜二再正式的"},{"start":2431.256,"end":2453.272,"text":"邀請行政院院長、率各部會首長列席進行施政報告並對諮詢。這個是針對有關於我們這一次黨團協商協商的標的除了開議日期以外還有議事日程草案可能要做一些討論那台灣民眾黨黨團所提出來的立場以上說明"},{"start":2455.15,"end":2469.43,"text":"謝謝黃國昌總召的說明,現在黃國昌總召的意思就是說20號開議,台灣民眾黨支持,跟國民黨的想法是一致的。23、24另外一次會議,等一下我們聽其他黨團的意見好不好?"},{"start":2470.812,"end":2498.573,"text":"簡言之,就是20號開議這是同意的。好,請吳思瑤幹事長請發言。好,謝謝院長。好,大家辛苦了。那,我想我們民進黨團也支持20號就是來開議。大家對這個日期應當是都可以接受。那20號尋往例,過去就是施政總質詢都是在開議日來進行。所以希望如同剛剛斯明書記長也是說,我們20號就是很順利的來進行施政總報告。"},{"start":2499.614,"end":2502.276,"text":"過去的慣例是什麼?過去20號就是開議日進行施政總諮詢,然後接著下一次的會議日"},{"start":2522.529,"end":2525.831,"text":"下週五應當進行總預算的詢答這個會期因為有三個預算案要進行所以也請求我們是不是也能夠把這個時程上有一個默契所以民進黨團希望說20號開議進行施政總質詢然後在下一週在第二次的會議就是進行這都是如往例沒有特例"},{"start":2548.056,"end":2575.015,"text":"施政總預算的質詢來進行至於剛剛黃國昌總召提到的專案報告我想是因為這一次這個年度三大預算案當中就有一個是臺電1000億的追加減所以針對追加減的預算是不是就並如果有對於能源政策或是電價調整的部分有什麼樣的意見那可以在同樣一個主題"},{"start":2576.336,"end":2576.917,"text":"與最佳檢預算一起進行。﹖有關於電價政策,"},{"start":2592.771,"end":2594.212,"text":"上個會期在三黨共同努力之下是三黨共同提案針對電業法49條完成修正而電業法49條修正是"},{"start":2608.736,"end":2628.861,"text":"擴大民間代表以及專家學者代表要超過二分之一而且同步也強化了這個定價審議委員會的公正公平公開透明的機制這個是三黨上個會期末49條定業法的修正而後呢其實也有個附帶決議就是民眾黨團當時所提的要求定價審議委員會的會議記錄呢要在"},{"start":2635.963,"end":2656.912,"text":"兩週內公告比照央行公開發言紀要來維持公開透明之原則而這些作為經濟部臺電也都已經依著立法院的修正跟要求他們的電價費率審議會設置及運作要點也都因應的做了相關的調整那委員的名單"},{"start":2657.694,"end":2683.526,"text":"也依各黨團的要求做了調整那為什麼上會期我們針對電業法49條可以朝野三黨有共識促成審議會的改革增加公開透明以及民間參與專業導入目的就是讓電價的調整這件事情回到專業而不是政治所以說如果依這樣的邏輯來講電價"},{"start":2687.039,"end":2687.119,"text":"主席"},{"start":2709.268,"end":2733.146,"text":"馬上,這次比較不好意思,這一開議,那是不是又有把這個政治性的議題跟電價的調升又放在一起,我覺得這樣可能不是太好啦,所以我們是做這樣的建議,但是如果要這樣的專案報告,我們可以安排大家有共識的話,那是不是能夠跟台電一千億的追加減預算就併在一起,這樣主題相符,然後"},{"start":2736.662,"end":2742.731,"text":"對話可以更聚焦,那在時間的調配上也更為妥適合宜。有請院長來採視。"},{"start":2746.012,"end":2746.293,"text":"臺灣民眾黨希望"},{"start":2769.741,"end":2798.728,"text":"能夠開議之後23、24直接加開一個院會然後來做行政院院長的施政報告放在下星期二但是國民黨跟民進黨團是希望20號開議之後我們就開始來進行行政院長施政報告這是有一點不太一樣所以我來念念看這樣如果大家同意的話我們先來確定20號開議就是我們今天這個初步結論各黨團共識原則上20號開議循例勒進行行政院院長施政報告這是第一條"},{"start":2800.987,"end":2801.628,"text":"謝謝院長,我想要先確定一下"},{"start":2824.276,"end":2836.819,"text":"開議日20號開議再說明一次臺灣民眾黨支持我們早就主張要及早開議今天18號最近的日期就是20號那當然就是20號"},{"start":2838.817,"end":2863.032,"text":"那第二個部分是針對有關於開議以後議事日程的草案是不是今天協商的標的如果不是今天協商的標的或今天協商沒有共識的話我們是不是要在20號之前還是要20號當天針對有關於議事日程的草案來進行表決因為台灣民眾黨有台灣民眾黨的議事日程的草案嘛"},{"start":2863.84,"end":2872.212,"text":"那針對要請行政院院長來報告他的能源配比跟電價的政策跟上個會期修電業法的電價審議有外部機制參與"},{"start":2875.646,"end":2894.563,"text":"根本完全沒有衝突在邏輯上面根本是兩個層次不一樣的問題但我也不想要在今天一開始的第一次黨團協商針對兩個明明是層次不一樣的問題在這邊繼續鬧得大家好像情緒都不好各黨團有各黨團的立場台灣民眾黨團的立場就是這個樣子"},{"start":2897.225,"end":2912.186,"text":"理由我們也跟社會做了說明。其他黨團如果認為沒有必要,或是要另外併,那我也尊重其他黨團對他們立場的表達。但我現在比較關心的事情是說,除了開議日之外,議事日程的草案,"},{"start":2913.067,"end":2913.087,"text":"韓國昌總"},{"start":2941.737,"end":2941.858,"text":"副幹事長"},{"start":2949.778,"end":2974.987,"text":"20號開議的部分我想大家其實有共識我其實剛剛也把民眾黨單現在希望能夠針對能源配比然後跟電價偵測的事情其實確實現在社會上面是對這事情是有關注的大家也想多知道一點所以我們的想法很簡單確實這個部分行政院是可以多做說明跟報告但因為這件事情本身它其實是"},{"start":2976.027,"end":2995.468,"text":"一體兩面的東西,跟目前台電希望提出來追加減預算一千億的事情,其實這是一體兩面的事情。簡單來說,這就是一個台電財務跟電價政策跟機制的問題。我想了解能源政策都知道,這其實就是同一回事。"},{"start":2996.749,"end":3022.624,"text":"電價怎麼定當然確實就是會跟能源配比有關係所以我們的提議我們不是說不該報告這件事情不是說要閃避能源配比或者是電價政策報告而是我們接下來就是要來針對臺電的追加減預算的1000億這是一體兩面的事情就一併的併起來報告那如果要要求行政院"},{"start":3023.547,"end":3027.17,"text":"針對能源配比的部分多做說明,我們也同意。"},{"start":3029.929,"end":3030.149,"text":"林斯銘委員"},{"start":3059.807,"end":3086.652,"text":"委員長我想提出一個折衷的方案就是說9月20來開議然後行政院長來做這個施政報告那我們進行總諮詢這一點這個原則上我想三黨都是意見一致的那至於說民眾黨這邊是說要對這個電價配比以及這個電價調整請院長來做這個專案報告我想基本上我們認為這是有必要的"},{"start":3087.412,"end":3088.672,"text":"修法與院長的施政意見與台電一千億的撥補"},{"start":3102.577,"end":3127.6,"text":"都需要院長來做說明的而不是由經濟部長來做報告到時候來預算的時候做說明所以我想院長來做專報絕對是有他的必要性跟民眾來說明白所以我們覺得這個在星期一下週一如果加開一次這個院會請行政院長來做專報我是提議這個是我是支持的"},{"start":3128.601,"end":3130.482,"text":"我們看到了這邊與你的協商結論那有兩點那第一點就是同意9月20來開議"},{"start":3157.157,"end":3160.558,"text":"920行政院院長施政報告920行政院院長施政報告"},{"start":3186.579,"end":3209.509,"text":"施政報告的安排一般議程我們就讓程序委員會去處理嘛否則現在放這個我會覺得就是一個空白的沒有辦法明確知道說欸那個草案是什麼草案所以如果三黨都有共識週五就是總諮詢過去的往例第一次院會就是總諮詢那就是很清楚"},{"start":3210.635,"end":3238.244,"text":"五二就是總質詢這是第一件事所以我對於這個最後一句話是有疑義的這個議事日程議案怎麼排就走程序委員會的程序那第二件事情是要安排專案報告各黨大家可以來磋商那磋商的包括主題跟時間那主題的部分民眾黨提出的能源政策跟台電的電價政策等等"},{"start":3239.614,"end":3261.682,"text":"是可以進行,但是何妨就跟三大預算案的追加減台電的一千億一起進行,因為就如同剛剛我們副幹事長洪聖翰說的,這是一個政策的一體兩面。然後我要補充,三大預算案包括台電一千億要跟司民書記長報告,也是院長領銜。"},{"start":3263.643,"end":3268.366,"text":"跟主題相關的專案報告並在一起這就效率上、專業上、時間的分配上都非常合宜所以如果在議員黨希望能夠有這個專報那就跟追加減以前已放在一起因為一起講一個主題"},{"start":3295.267,"end":3320.397,"text":"時間點下週一就等於是加開院會大家要同意一開議這好像又回到上個會期就是有在野黨又要加開院會一個會期剛開始會期有很多的時間可以邀請院長、部會首長來那如果又要再增加就在週一"},{"start":3321.604,"end":3338.108,"text":"我們連那個召委都是要有作業的時間要三天嘛所以才會是25號下週三選舉嘛那現在週一又要加開院會一開議我好像要回到上個會期的那個輪迴有這樣子的急迫到一定要下週一就加開院會嘛"},{"start":3346.226,"end":3375.325,"text":"中央報告跟追加減一千億我想合在一起這是非常合宜的所以就這個議題是一個主題這是民進黨團的主張就時間點上我們認為我們再次說920施政報告然後再下一次927當天就進行總預算的報告同樣都是卓院長率領內閣部會首長然後台電的追加減一千億plus民眾黨提出來的專報告可以再排一次會"},{"start":3376.726,"end":3377.586,"text":"請黃國昌總召請繼續發言"},{"start":3405.865,"end":3427.536,"text":"謝謝院長,就針對預擬的這個決定事項一的部分因為這個第一點的部分看起來就只有五二嘛我們剛剛所提的建議是因為下禮拜一沒有任何委員會要進行不會干擾到任何委員會的進行第二個這個暑假其實也過得蠻長的"},{"start":3429.537,"end":3447.464,"text":"第三個,能源政策跟電價政策,這本來就是行政部門每天都在做要準備好的事情啊。你總不可能說好像這是一個什麼新的題目,奇怪的題目,今天突然提出來的題目,沒有啊。從這一屆國會開始,全體國人就關心這件事吧。"},{"start":3449.008,"end":3472.503,"text":"我想對於行政院來講、經濟部部長來講、國發會主委、臺電董事長相關的人,在這件事情,我想我對他們很有信心,準備很充分,因為這他們的工作,每天都在做的工作,全體國人最關心的事情,負責任的說清楚講明白,我覺得這是回應全體國人的期待。那也因此這個部分,就是說,"},{"start":3473.922,"end":3491.216,"text":"我們開議的日期我們同意但議事日程到底要怎麼進行這件事情因為這是一個協商的機制每一個黨團有每一個黨團的立場我們都尊重那如果各個黨團彼此之間的立場不一樣的話那我們就"},{"start":3492.678,"end":3513.913,"text":"針對各自所提出來的議事日程到院會裡面透過民主程序來加以解決這個是我相信應該是在國會審議民主的ABC不需要再多做說明那因此針對第一點的部分因為沒有辦法涵蓋我們希望第一次的院會是禮拜五禮拜一禮拜二的一次會這樣子的"},{"start":3516.015,"end":3516.315,"text":"委員．文章"},{"start":3538.621,"end":3561.494,"text":"但沒有道理說沒有進行這個民主程序就要求我們接受某一個特定的政黨的黨團他們所提出來的主張那這個恐怕台灣民眾黨黨團這樣子對於這樣文字的預擬希望院長能夠再斟酌斟酌那個空間就是說920開議這件事情我再度重申我們支持沒有問題"},{"start":3562.495,"end":3584.552,"text":"但議事日程草案的這件事情,各個黨團有不一樣的看法。那既然有不一樣的看法,我們就按照立法院職權刑事法議事規則相關的規定,我們就照程序走。以上。好,請吳世耀幹事長再讀發言,請。謝謝院長。我想要再確認一下,"},{"start":3587.125,"end":3602.798,"text":"我先講基本立場,簡單的是簡單處理,不用一開議把簡單的議程的安排複雜化的處理,真的沒必要。開議日就進行總諮詢,從以前到現在就是如此。"},{"start":3603.579,"end":3631.984,"text":"要增加專報可以可是剛剛黃國昌總召一直沒有辦法回應說他同不同意把主題相關的臺電1000億的追加減預算跟專案報告綁在一起因為兩個合在一起是有意義的因為它是一個政策的一體兩面如果你要討論電價政策要如何調那不得不去一同的探討"},{"start":3633.888,"end":3659.782,"text":"在野黨,民眾黨對於台電撥補一千億認為合理不合理,可能覺得撥太多,可能覺得補太少,因為這都會跟電價的升、漲或是漲幅都會有相關,所以這個問題一直沒有聽到民眾黨代表的意見。我說簡單的事情簡單處理,專業的事情專業處理,這樣更有效能,更能聚焦。"},{"start":3660.402,"end":3687.053,"text":"所以我再次強調如果要有這個能源政策跟電價政策的專報那應當就是要跟台電追加減的1000億預算在一起進行因為來報告的都是卓榮泰院長率內閣團隊一起那第二件事情我剛剛也越聽越灰就是我說的簡單的事情有人就偏偏要給他搞複雜搞得自己最認真剛剛"},{"start":3689.898,"end":3717.496,"text":"民眾黨又提到說五一二一次會因為我本來的理解是禮拜一是加開院會我不知道怎麼排現在呢民眾黨的代表說五一二變成一次會然後又要有這個專報所以可能變成什麼如果民眾黨的說法五一二一次會然後要專報然後議事日程要循民主程序處理那可能變成院長禮拜五一開始就是專報不是總執行喔"},{"start":3719.059,"end":3744.667,"text":"因為剛剛他的說法是這樣所以我覺得很奇怪啊簡單的事情為什麼要複雜處理呢禮拜五就是開議就是總質詢對不對然後五二一次會嘛那如果要再加開一次會那就不是五一二一次會那是加開OK那加開的主題是不是回到我說的追加減一千億跟"},{"start":3745.799,"end":3765.859,"text":"跟專報在一起這樣討論才有意義才聚焦要不然你講了一次專報完再來排一次臺電一千億追加減同樣主題的事情簡單的事情就清楚明瞭簡單處理清楚處理切中要害不用這樣彎來彎去轉來轉去"},{"start":3770.598,"end":3775.19,"text":"所以我不太清楚他們512又要一次會然後又要用專報那是用專報取代總諮詢嗎?"},{"start":3779.29,"end":3801.499,"text":"盧貢 盧輝謝謝施堯幹事長 接下來請林思明幹事長是 院長 我想這個民進黨的施堯可能真的沒有聽清楚我剛才講的對 當然民眾黨的意見是這樣當然我剛才講說我們一個折衷的方式所以我說禮拜一加開院會就處理這個專報這件事至於您剛才一直提說這個我們星期五會有預算的一個專報"},{"start":3802.719,"end":3808.963,"text":"預算1千億是有關台電撥補的議題跟我們現在講的電價配比的政策跟電價調整我個人認為這個是不一樣你那個限縮債你那個電價台電要撥補1千億給他這件事預算要去撥補跟我們現在聚焦的專報是有關於電的配比"},{"start":3830.176,"end":3851.074,"text":"執政團隊,你的意見,跟所謂的電價調整的這個議題,請院長跟我們的全國人民講清楚說明白。這不一樣啦,預算歸預算啦,這種有關於這個政策面的問題,我想院長,行政院長確實有來說清楚講明白的必要。以上,謝謝。"},{"start":3855.054,"end":3874.031,"text":"其實我說實話,我們剛剛在聽各黨的相關的意見,我自己認為其實差異沒有很大。我認為差異沒有很大。那剛剛市民委員在講的問題,我其實做一個簡短的說明。其實如果要談這個台電的追加減1000億的預算的問題,其實當然後面的問題就是台電的財務問題。"},{"start":3880.943,"end":3899.208,"text":"臺電的財務就是成本跟支出,成本跟支出當然是跟能源政策的配比有高度的相關嘛,這我想國民黨也知道,這個其實之前民眾黨已經講很多了,我們之前每次在談到電價政策的時候,民眾黨的張綺凱委員都會說,那你先交代配比問題,其實"},{"start":3901.248,"end":3923.336,"text":"電價的問題跟配比跟你的支出這當然是同一件事所以我說這是一個議題兩面的事情所以談台電的追加減預算當然不是只是談說這個一千億怎麼樣的問題為什麼要編列一千億這當然是台電的財務問題到底是長什麼樣財務問題後面你的成本跟支出當然是來自於配比所以我剛才覺得這個討論是很好的"},{"start":3926.237,"end":3937.661,"text":"為何要追加減1000億的事情,當然可能是因為現在配比的限制,可能是因為我們電價目前政策跟機制的問題,這是一個完整的政策內容"},{"start":3942.659,"end":3942.999,"text":"我猜想"},{"start":3965.6,"end":3991.635,"text":"黃國昌總召之所以想要在禮拜一的時候加開也許也希望說這個多一點他可能有他自己在議事排程上面的想法可是我們也覺得沒有必要讓明明是同一件事情非得要分開變成是兩個報告這其實對於議事的效率來說其實也是一個浪費所以剛剛我覺得大家的很多的想法我認為差異並不大"},{"start":3992.435,"end":4007.057,"text":"只是現在我們怎麼讓一個該完整的主題就讓它完整假設要行政院報告的更完整甚至大家想要他特別針對配比的問題多做說明民進黨團也不反對"},{"start":4007.978,"end":4008.018,"text":"荣我﹗"},{"start":4028.109,"end":4045.005,"text":"規納各位黨團幹部剛才主要的發言,我嘗試性把它規納一下,大家聽聽看,有意見我們再來說。一,我們今天協商,現在做個初步結論,各黨團共事原則上20號開議,循例進行行政院院長施政報告。"},{"start":4047.148,"end":4074.796,"text":"2.今天協商的題目是開議日,我們是不是先針對開議日,我們等一下請大家先簽同意協商的結論。協商的結論的草稿,我也請議事委員再送行各位黨邊來參考一下。至於3.剛才大家所提出行政院專案報告還有加開院會等事宜,我們可以在第一次院會用議程草案送院會處理。"},{"start":4077.042,"end":4100.695,"text":"第二部分,如果各位同意的話,我們還是循慣例。我們9月20日開議舉行第11屆第二會及第一次會議,每週五及次週二視為一次院會。國事論壇及臨時提案以原往例處理,每個禮拜五上午9點至10點為國事論壇時間。"},{"start":4103.641,"end":4125.43,"text":"下午1點50分至2點半處理臨時提案。第一次會議亦是日程以草案進送院會處理。有關23號星期一加開院會處理相關專案事宜,並同第一次會議議程草案,亦黨團提出進行處理。"},{"start":4128.966,"end":4135.39,"text":"9月20日,邀請行政院院長率同各部會首長列席進行施政報告並備詢。報告後,隨即進行政黨質詢。當天質詢人數一樣依慣例,國民黨團推派3員。"},{"start":4144.756,"end":4151.002,"text":"民進黨黨團推派3員,臺灣民眾黨黨團推派1員,我們進行諮詢的順序一,國民黨團、臺灣民眾黨黨團、民進黨黨團之順序輪流交叉方式進行。有關諮詢期間之順序及人數,均依例授權我們議事處來辦理。"},{"start":4169.626,"end":4189.392,"text":"當次會議我們不處理臨時提案各位黨團幹部現在已經發到各位的手上如果同意我們就開始進行草野協商我們來簽字我們來確定今天草野協商達到我們預定要召開會議的目標請大家參考"},{"start":4261.075,"end":4286.934,"text":"吳思瑤幹事長,請發言現在發的是新的協商結論這個有點墜語第一點的最後方第一次會議議事日程以草案禁送院會處理有關23日星期一加開院會處理相關專案報告事宜並同第一次會議議程草案"},{"start":4288.328,"end":4289.528,"text":"一黨團提出進行處理。"},{"start":4309.557,"end":4310.017,"text":"有關920當天提醒院裡議程安排"},{"start":4326.787,"end":4345.696,"text":"因為那天,因為921的災防日,當天禮拜六,所以會在920當天會有這個演習。那我們跟這個行政部門的瞭解,行政院是有來表達說,會在9點21分那個前後,會有需要全員就地掩護的這些演練。"},{"start":4347.096,"end":4371.821,"text":"所以在那個時間點也就是9點到10點間的那個會議的起氣的時間是請議事組這邊 院長這邊可能要考量一下對 早上9點21分的那個時候那因為這個是全員都要所以就是看就要尊重對 這個我是要提醒就是這個議程要"},{"start":4373.188,"end":4378.032,"text":"第二件事情是我們是希望能夠院長是不是一併可以在今天能夠來處理就是依往例第二次會議就是總質詢的"},{"start":4403.925,"end":4424.35,"text":"總預算院長率部會來報告,是否把924定為總預算的報告也把其成列下來?927是下週五第二次會議,往例也是這樣,是不是一併可以落在今天的協商共識裡頭來處理?"},{"start":4427.273,"end":4430.796,"text":"有關於預算案處理的時程,都是由院會來定期邀請。那過去15上,針對預算案何時要邀請行政院院長、主計長、財政部門來,是透過協商的方式來進行處理。"},{"start":4450.451,"end":4455.115,"text":"今天是開議日的協商,如果大家願意當然是可以針對總預算來進行後續的協商。"},{"start":4460.325,"end":4461.706,"text":"我們休息五分鐘"},{"start":4990.828,"end":4999.831,"text":"好,謝謝,麻煩請各位黨團幹部請就座。那麼接下來,吳世耀幹事長,你請發言。你要發言,請。我們請吳世耀幹事長發言完畢以後,本主席就要進行處理了。好,謝謝。好,依據這個院長與你的協商結論兩點。那第二點很清楚的是92010點開始開會。"},{"start":5020.742,"end":5032.427,"text":"當天不處理臨時提案,不進行國事論壇,因為避開921防災時刻。也明訂了當天的行政院率各部會首長進行施政報告,並被質詢,各黨人數331。"},{"start":5038.427,"end":5038.787,"text":"尋往歷來進行"},{"start":5053.692,"end":5078.153,"text":"因為您剛剛已經加列了這一句話,就第一次會議議事日程以草案進送院會處理,其實就含括了你後面那一句話,23號星期一是否加開院會處理專報的這個東西,其實就可以並同第一次會議議事日程草案以黨團進行處理,這個是不是商量一下最後那一句話有沒有必要放這樣子?"},{"start":5078.971,"end":5079.031,"text":"王國昌議員"},{"start":5097.709,"end":5126.038,"text":"幹事長認為意思是一樣的話那我相信也沒有反對的意思嘛既然沒有反對的意思的話台灣民眾黨黨團的立場是第一點後面的那兩句話我們希望還是把它加上去比較明確一點那既然認為意思是一樣既然認為意思是一樣就沒有反對的意思嘛那你如果覺得這個是罪語那就請容許台灣民眾黨黨團希望堅持的要求把這兩個罪語也放進去禮拜五處理的時候會比較明確以上"},{"start":5127.939,"end":5156.288,"text":"我們現在國民黨副坤吉總統第一次發言請這個院長辛苦啊第一次召集朝野協商大家都姍姍來遲不過還是第一個到的跟你長相左右中秋節剛過我想今天願人圓團圓我們大家今天協商還是氣氛好一點我想民眾黨要求"},{"start":5158.047,"end":5178.792,"text":"23日禮拜一來做一個能源配比的一個專案報告我想這個是民眾非常期待的一個事情因為可能10月份地要漲電價那要讓人民有知的權利國會就是正在做這些事情20日開議是大家都已經有共識"},{"start":5181.514,"end":5205.824,"text":"既然20號開議跟24號的一次院會,除了20號邀請卓榮泰院長做一個施政報告,接下來施政總諮詢。既然是20號跟24號都順利的來開會,我想今天大家可能沒有注意到一件事情。"},{"start":5206.863,"end":5233.028,"text":"就是到目前為止我們的協商都沒有感覺要杯葛隔盔上台的議事我想這對執政黨來講是一個非常好的一個訊息大家都希望說我們盡快來進行所有的議事內容那既然23號是多出來的一天目前沒有任何議程如果加開一個專報事實上對整個立法院的整個議程裡面"},{"start":5234.187,"end":5234.447,"text":"李卓人議員"},{"start":5260.7,"end":5260.82,"text":"主席"},{"start":5282.177,"end":5284.18,"text":"副總召的講法,副總剛剛講了一句話其實我們也是有同感副總剛剛說"},{"start":5300.438,"end":5320.294,"text":"這個大家都很在意能源政策配比的問題那尤其是大家也關心說這個到底是什麼為什麼是什麼樣的能源政策那接下來為什麼還要再來撥補這個追加預算其實傅永刀這個講法其實也就是讓大家知道其實"},{"start":5322.375,"end":5341.768,"text":"最佳檢台電的預算就跟能源配比還有電價政策這是一個同一個完整的政策所以我剛才說副總召剛才其實講的講法也跟我們的想法其實差不多所以這也是為什麼我們會覺得如果要做專案報告的話其實就讓台電的最佳檢預算跟民眾黨提的能源配比"},{"start":5341.988,"end":5342.068,"text":"黃國昌議員黃國昌議員"},{"start":5364.651,"end":5388.785,"text":"如果23號禮拜一加開院會這當然我們知道清楚知道這是民眾黨黨團的期待嗎這是他的期待其實這個內容當然也可以並在第一次院會的時候一併處理這我們大家都知道這個這大家都知道實質的意思可是如果每個黨團要把自己的期待明明是可以並進最後那句話其他都放上去的話那民進黨團我是不是也可以把我們的期待我也要求要寫上去"},{"start":5389.545,"end":5415.829,"text":"反正我也是反正只要並同第一次會議議程草案其實意思都差不多所以大家就可以開始無限的把自己的期待都要寫在上面囉因為都是可以在第一次的議程草案裡面來處理嘛對不對其實實質的意思差不多所以我們反而是覺得說假設我也順著剛剛黃總道的意思我們把事情明確化簡單化其實反而如果要明確化簡單化的話反而其實不一定要把這個大家自己或甚至"},{"start":5417.096,"end":5417.656,"text":"一黨團提出進行處理"},{"start":5446.755,"end":5447.556,"text":"23日星期一加開院會處理相關"},{"start":5467.427,"end":5493.316,"text":"預算案暨專案報告事宜並同第一次會議議程草案因為我也很明確我們要公平嘛我意思說要有這個專報就是跟追加減預算一起進行才合宜才聚焦那如果這樣的話我們的期待是就文字上處理而已啊院會處理相關預算案暨專案報告事宜這樣好不好大家的期待都放在裡面"},{"start":5497.079,"end":5518.851,"text":"就是相關預算案,對,相關預算,追加減預算也是相關,就是處理相關預算案寄專報告事宜,這樣好不好?這是因為這樣就是,因為也表達了我們剛剛的意見,也能夠被並同一起來處置,但最終都會回到第一次會議議事日程以草案送院會處理"},{"start":5520.148,"end":5542.455,"text":"這樣比較合理,彼此的期待這樣就更精準一點,但是能不能夠進行一樣禮拜五的議事日程來處理。所以我方,民進黨團就是剛剛一直在講的,相關預算案寄專案報告。這樣合理啦,你的期待我的期待,大家都能夠一併來公平的對待。"},{"start":5543.89,"end":5547.855,"text":"文字敘述書處理相關專案報告並沒有講說相關專案是什麼所以你的預算也是包含在這個相關專案裡面"},{"start":5564.634,"end":5585.993,"text":"所以你又要把預算再把它寫清楚,這不是罪文嗎?這原本就包含了所以這就凸顯了一句事情,這是罪文,OK?就有人一定要放我的解讀這不是罪文,這是有意義的你剛剛講前一句話是罪文,現在不是罪文我沒有講是罪文,我說如果你認為是罪文那為什麼不把它加進去好了沒關係,您的理解跟我一樣就好了因為這個是第一次會議"},{"start":5587.054,"end":5605.326,"text":"的議事日程以草案競送院會處理,但是我們現在一直提到一件事,23號要不要加開院會,加開院會去處理相關專案報告的事情,這是我們這個三黨在這個協商過程中講的是一件事,原本我們希望說直接就協商就把它完成嘛,"},{"start":5605.606,"end":5605.986,"text":"主席主席主席"},{"start":5630.465,"end":5646.705,"text":"好,謝謝我們院長。因為我們黨團協商,我覺得黨團協商每個人都可以有一件。每一個人要放進來才是達成共識嘛。不能說你的罪羽也可以放,我的罪羽也可以放,這個不是協商的理論啦。"},{"start":5647.465,"end":5657.291,"text":"所以我覺得我都聽不下去了所以每一個人都有修改文字的權利看要不要放,同意就放,不同意就不放不要用這樣子的語言來去講,我覺得不是因為討論都是三黨來去決議要放哪一個,要修哪一個"},{"start":5666.576,"end":5666.596,"text":"麥義貞委員"},{"start":5694.231,"end":5718.624,"text":"請紅委員,請再一次發言剛剛麥委員講的我們都很同意麥委員前面說這個黨團協商每個人的意見都可以被提出都可以被放入嘛,剛剛麥委員前面講所以麥委員的邏輯很可愛啦那所以我們也是覺得說如果大家每個黨團的意見都有意見表達的權利也都可以爭取放入的權利的話"},{"start":5719.324,"end":5746.139,"text":"那就像剛剛說民眾黨團爭取想要放入他們期待的事情即便最後的這個議程的處理沒有差別那我們的意思是說那民眾黨團可以放那我們是不是也可以爭取我們放我們的期待其實我們的邏輯其實是一個等價的邏輯所以我剛剛說蔓圓剛剛講的這個發言的邏輯我是覺得很可愛那某些部分我們也覺得很好所以我順著你的話講這樣子"},{"start":5748.081,"end":5777.147,"text":"只有說他發言可愛,沒有說他長得可愛沒有沒有沒有那個我想如果說這大家再思考看看如果說在野良黨都很期待在23號週一就有一個專報的話因為現在是放在協商結論就等於未確定就週五議程再處理啦那如果"},{"start":5779.522,"end":5801.696,"text":"我們就覺得如果你要進行就很明確如果你要把時間定下來專案報告就跟追加減預算一起來那這樣也不用有週五議程未確定的問題就直接在23號週一直接進行台電1000億的追加預算及相關能源政策及電價的政策的專案報告因為"},{"start":5802.312,"end":5802.412,"text":"委員會主席"},{"start":5820.039,"end":5843.419,"text":"讓行政部門可以很完整的針對臺電的追加減預算到底一千億合宜不合宜在野可以監督然後呢因應著有個追加減預算在那裡那電價的調漲調降又在什麼樣的range是合宜的這個真的是一體兩面你沒有辦法切割啦所以如果這個在野黨這麼覺得週一想做"},{"start":5845.508,"end":5869.176,"text":"時間定下來,可以討論,這個大家磋商一下,可是真的不要把完整的政策一分為二,這樣討論不能全面。所以是我剛剛就是說,我期待的,我們期待的,其實就是說,那不是期待,那是合理性的問題啊。本來台電追加減預算跟電價政策本來就是一個,"},{"start":5870.456,"end":5885.129,"text":"政策為什麼要切兩次這不是只有期待問題是合理性跟專業性的問題那把它併在一起923如果能夠確定兩個併在一起那923就定OK啊就不用議程位確定嘛"},{"start":5886.568,"end":5887.249,"text":"大家互相補充"},{"start":5901.448,"end":5902.328,"text":"這是您最終立場嗎?就是您確定的?"},{"start":5921.354,"end":5921.614,"text":"黃國昌總召請發言"},{"start":5945.389,"end":5961.244,"text":"謝謝院長,我想麥毓貞委員他的發言很清楚的表達黨團的立場至於其他黨團的代表要用可愛來形容,也謝謝他們的稱讚比較可愛的形容詞,應該或許是有的時候"},{"start":5962.458,"end":5985.008,"text":"我比較客氣的發言對方聽不懂客氣的意涵順著客氣的意涵往上攀那如果是這樣的話我就把話再講得更明確一點剛剛院長所講的決定事項的第一點後面的那兩句話台灣民眾黨黨團認為不是最有放進去的必要我們堅持放入"},{"start":5985.808,"end":5999.958,"text":"第二,要把兩個不同層次的問題,所謂兩個不同層次的問題,能源配比跟電價政策,以及到底我們要不要撥補追加一千億的預算。台灣民眾黨黨團認為這是兩個完全不同層次的事情。"},{"start":6005.081,"end":6020.149,"text":"至於說民進黨黨團認為這是同一件事情我們尊重他們的看法但我們不同意我們認為這是兩個不同層次的問題必須要切開來處理那第三個部分剛剛院長所處理的事項"},{"start":6021.049,"end":6021.109,"text":"主席"},{"start":6040.66,"end":6063.778,"text":"各位黨團幹部我想大家請稍微沉靜一下我還是一樣我把今天協商結論兩個重點跟大家報告一下請大家務必要心平氣和來聽聽看現在國民黨團台灣民眾黨團都已經簽了現在民進黨還沒有簽但是我把這個協商結論再念一遍"},{"start":6065.407,"end":6073.172,"text":"民進黨堅持的話,那我們就今天宣布抄寫章就破裂了。但我再念一遍,我希望民進黨再來仔細請聽一下。聽一下。"},{"start":6096.048,"end":6124.17,"text":"質詢期間,週二下午1點50分至2點30分處理臨時提案。第一次會議議事日程以草案進送院會處理,有關23日星期一加開院會處理相關專案報告事宜,並同第一次會議議程草案,依黨團提出進行處理。"},{"start":6126.652,"end":6139.367,"text":"9月20日星期五上午10點開會,進行相關議程並邀請行政院院長率同各部會首長列席進行施政報告並備諮詢。"},{"start":6142.785,"end":6158.632,"text":"報告後隨即進行政黨諮詢。當天諮詢人數由國民黨黨團推派3位、民進黨黨團推派3位、臺灣民眾黨黨團推派1位進行。諮詢順序一國民黨團、臺灣民眾黨黨團、民進黨黨團之順序輪流交叉方式進行。有關諮詢期間之順序及人數"},{"start":6170.177,"end":6188.807,"text":"均依例授權議事處辦理,當次會議不處理臨時提案,並不進行國事論壇。好,吳事由委員,請最後一次發言請。那院長,沒有,我們的建議都沒有被落在文字中。927就第二次會來進行總預算的詢答。"},{"start":6196.653,"end":6206.402,"text":"對阿 第二次會因為這個總預算的詢答就是要朝野協商來處理嘛那不用大家都在這裡"},{"start":6210.571,"end":6212.332,"text":"兩黨有反對927進行總預算的詢答嗎?應該沒有嗎?"},{"start":6230.356,"end":6230.617,"text":"委員會主席"},{"start":6245.429,"end":6249.012,"text":"謝謝吳斯堯委員發言,我們請高處長再補充一下,再說明一下"},{"start":6275.009,"end":6275.149,"text":"主席"},{"start":6293.781,"end":6320.12,"text":"吳士堯幹事長的發言,我再徵詢一下國民黨跟臺灣民眾黨針對927審查預算案,大家有沒有寶貴一點,請,不用客氣。議長,我想今天就是討論開議日,那我們在這個就是第一點的後段文字裡面,如果說,民進黨團你的期待是希望27號要去處理預算案的專案報告,對,三個預算,但是我們講,這個就是你可以在我們這個,今天的"},{"start":6321.768,"end":6324.89,"text":"總預算的尋答不是專案報告跟這個第一點最後一項的專案報告是完全不同的事情"},{"start":6351.783,"end":6361.105,"text":"臺灣民眾黨團要不要針對27號這個請表達意見好嗎?這個不在今天協商的範圍當中那特別跟吳世堯幹事長報告一下國民黨團跟臺灣民眾黨已經表達意見27號這個他們不在討論範圍沒有23號在討論範圍嗎?"},{"start":6386.757,"end":6396.799,"text":"23號也不在協商範圍內啊?協商就是大家討論,沒有,這個會期有三個預算案要詢答一個是總預算,一個是台電追加減,一個是前瞻"},{"start":6401.471,"end":6421.472,"text":"完全尊重吳思耀幹事長的發言那洪委員如果是意見一致的話沒關係我完全尊重吳思耀幹事長的發言請洪委員請剛剛如果大家是要說不在今天討論範圍那23號為什麼在今天討論這個我們今天討論的主題範圍內如果要用說不在今天主題範圍內就不要討論的話那23號也不在啊"},{"start":6425.031,"end":6425.151,"text":"明天﹖"},{"start":6455.051,"end":6456.552,"text":"各黨團我們明天準備開談話會,那我們現在就散會。"},{"start":6470.803,"end":6472.124,"text":"立法院議員"},{"start":6489.394,"end":6516.966,"text":"聯合聲明請我們韓院長也不理會不處理然後藍白的兩個黨編資料都已經發到桌上了但是都視而不見欸院長沒有這樣啊我們的臨時動議還沒有處理就宣告散會欸這麼害怕聯合國2758號決議用聯合聲明的方式來處理嗎那我們要非常清楚的跟"},{"start":6517.839,"end":6537.347,"text":"所有的國人報告民進黨團有正式提出一份立法院朝野黨團的共同聲明我們希望重生我們共同的國會的立場促成朝野一起來推動也就是堅決反對中國扭曲聯合國大會2758號決議阻撓台灣參與聯合國體系等國際組織以及剝奪台灣2300萬人參與國際社會之權益"},{"start":6547.148,"end":6555.838,"text":"第二點,我們認為臺灣的國會要有立場,中國應立即停止對聯合國大會2758號決議及所屬一中原則掛鉤,破壞臺海和平穩定現狀,印太地區之安全繁榮及以規則為基礎之國際秩序。"},{"start":6567.111,"end":6578.602,"text":"第三點,希望有一個聯合聲明是,呼籲聯合國需積極落實聯合國憲章接駐之普遍性原則,以及不遺漏任何人 之承諾,儘速接納台灣之完整參與。"},{"start":6583.727,"end":6583.747,"text":"韓國瑜議員"},{"start":6599.972,"end":6626.97,"text":"要求以臨時動議來跟各黨對話,連被討論的機會都沒有。民進黨團也不一定能夠達到三黨都同意來做這個聯合聲明,但是不能夠在朝野協商中我們的議程上的賦予的權利,我們臨時動議也被沒收。被沒收了這件事情讓我們覺得非常的遺憾。"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-09-18T10:36:35.700000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T10:36:37.941000+08:00","text":"謝謝各位黨團幹部，我們現在正式開始開會。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-09-18T10:36:37.941000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T10:36:41.966000+08:00","text":"小時候暑假結束的時候，要上課的第一天，渾身都懶洋洋的，老師說同學們專心上課，精神\n就來了。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-09-18T10:36:41.966000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T10:36:45.991000+08:00","text":"現在我跟各位幹部講，各位黨團幹部專心，開始開會。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-09-18T10:36:45.991000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T10:36:51.433000+08:00","text":"今天請各位黨團幹部來，最主\n要就是要討論、協商第 2 會期開議日，以及邀請行政院院長進行施政報告並備質詢。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-09-18T10:36:51.433000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T10:37:16.072000+08:00","text":"請各黨團\n依序發表寶貴的意見，哪一位先來？","quality":0.722},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-09-18T10:37:16.072000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T10:37:17.072000+08:00","text":"不用客氣。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-09-18T10:37:16.072000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T10:37:22.678000+08:00","text":"好，請林思銘委員。","quality":0.429},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2024-09-18T10:37:22.678000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T10:37:43.834000+08:00","text":"謝謝院長、副院長、各位黨團的幹部，依照過去的慣例，開議日期都是在中秋節過後\n，中秋節昨天已經過了，所以今天的協商，我們也希望儘速來開會，我們是想說是不是 9 月 20\n日星期五就來開議，而且開議的同時，是不是就請行政院院長來做施政報告，進行總質詢？","quality":0.596},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2024-09-18T10:37:43.834000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T10:37:44.834000+08:00","text":"我\n們黨團的意見大概是這樣。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-09-18T10:37:44.834000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T10:37:45.834000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝林思銘書記長的說明。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-09-18T10:37:45.834000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T10:37:46.834000+08:00","text":"接下來我們請黃國昌總召。","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-09-18T10:37:45.135000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T10:38:21.751000+08:00","text":"謝謝院長，9 月 20 號開議，台灣民眾黨黨團沒有問題，我們的立場向來就是儘快開\n議，今天 18 號，最快就 20 號，所以我想這個對台灣民眾黨黨團來講沒有問題。","quality":0.797},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-09-18T10:38:21.891000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T10:40:07.853000+08:00","text":"只不過說在進\n行的順序上面，因為各個委員會應該最快也是下禮拜三才會選召委嘛，所以，我們希望 20 號開\n議當天、23 號禮拜一、24 號禮拜二這三天舉行一次會，星期五開議那一天，因為可能還要處理\n一些各個黨團所提的報告事項跟討論事項，所以基本上我們初步希望 9 月 23 號禮拜一的時候邀\n請行政院院長率同相關部會首長，針對賴清德政府能源政策配比及電價政策，先進行專案報告\n，因為這個事情攸關非常多臺灣人民現在的生活，而 10 月份的電價看起來又是蠢蠢欲動，目前\n針對賴清德政府整個能源政策相關的推動，社會上大家不僅有非常多的質疑，也有非常多的關\n切，但這件事情到目前為止整個卓榮泰內閣說不清楚也講不明白，因此，我們希望下禮拜一的\n時候，能夠邀請卓榮泰院長率同相關部會首長列席提出專案報告並備質詢。","quality":0.753},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-09-18T10:40:07.853000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T10:40:36.881000+08:00","text":"至於正式開始總質詢的時間，如果考量到禮拜五的時候可能還有一些報告事項跟討論事項要\n依序處理，總質詢可能會延到下午，是不是也可以考慮等到下個禮拜二再正式的邀請行政院院\n長率各部會首長列席進行施政報告並備質詢？","quality":0.928},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-09-18T10:40:36.881000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T10:40:52.252000+08:00","text":"這是針對我們這一次黨團協商的標的，除了開議日\n期以外，還有議事日程草案可能要做一些討論，台灣民眾黨黨團所提出來的立場，以上說明。","quality":0.983},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-09-18T10:40:54.150000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T10:40:55.692000+08:00","text":"謝謝黃國昌總召的說明。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-09-18T10:40:56.634000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T10:41:08.410000+08:00","text":"現在黃國昌總召的意思就是 20 日開議，台灣民眾黨支持，跟國民\n黨的想法是一致的；第二，23、24 另外一次會議，等一下我們聽其他黨團的意見，好不好？","quality":0.93},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-09-18T10:41:09.812000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T10:41:11.734000+08:00","text":"簡\n協 2\n言之，就是 20日開議，這是同意的。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-09-18T10:41:12.274000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T10:41:12.594000+08:00","text":"請吳思瑤幹事長發言。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T10:41:14.436000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T10:41:15.817000+08:00","text":"謝謝院長，大家辛苦了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T10:41:17.558000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T10:41:24.383000+08:00","text":"我們民進黨團也支持 20 日就開議，大家對這個日期應當都\n可以接受。","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T10:41:26.305000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T10:41:37.553000+08:00","text":"20 日，循往例，過去施政總質詢都在開議日進行，所以希望如同剛剛思銘書記長說\n的，我們 20日就很順利地來進行施政總報告，對這個部分，我們是期待這樣。","quality":0.689},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T10:41:37.553000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T10:41:39.655000+08:00","text":"另外，剛剛民眾黨代表講到是不是要做專報，剛好今天要跟院長一併來討論的就是，我們希\n望說，過去的慣例是什麼？","quality":0.17},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T10:41:39.655000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T10:42:01.669000+08:00","text":"過去的慣例是開議日（20 日）進行施政總質詢，然後接著下一次會\n議日，也就是下週五應當就進行總預算的詢答。","quality":0.795},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T10:42:01.729000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T10:42:03.390000+08:00","text":"這個會期因為有三個預算案要進行，所以也請\n求我們是不是也能夠在時程上有一個默契？","quality":0.973},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T10:42:03.510000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T10:42:04.811000+08:00","text":"民進黨團希望 20 日開議進行施政總質詢，然後在下\n一週，在第二次的會議就進行總預算的質詢，這都是如往例，並無特例。","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T10:42:30.879000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T10:42:46.190000+08:00","text":"至於剛剛黃國昌總召提到的專案報告，因為這個年度三大預算案當中就有一個是台電 1,000 億\n元的追加減預算，所以針對追加減的預算是不是就合併？","quality":0.885},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T10:42:47.311000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T10:42:55.597000+08:00","text":"如果對於能源政策或是電價調整的部\n分有什麼樣的意見，可以在同樣一個主題，跟追加減預算合併一起進行，我想這樣更有效率，\n然後對於相關部會，其實同樣都是相關的經濟部門，這是我們的主張。","quality":0.481},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T10:42:55.597000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T10:43:11.771000+08:00","text":"當然另外我也要提醒一下，有關電價政策，我要再提醒一下。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T10:43:11.771000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T10:43:12.991000+08:00","text":"上個會期在三黨共同努力之下\n，是三黨共同提案，針對電業法第四十九條完成修正。","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T10:43:13.011000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T10:43:39.639000+08:00","text":"而電業法第四十九條修正是擴大民間代\n表以及專家學者代表要超過二分之一，而且同步也強化了電價審議委員會公正、公平、公開、\n透明的機制。","quality":0.915},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T10:43:40.459000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T10:44:00.926000+08:00","text":"這是三黨上個會期末共同提案修正的電業法第四十九條，而後也有一個附帶決議\n，就是民眾黨團當時所提的，要求電價審議委員會的會議紀錄要在兩週內公告，比照央行等等\n公開發言紀要，以維持公開透明之原則。","quality":0.784},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T10:44:03.187000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T10:44:18.915000+08:00","text":"經濟部、台電也都已經依照立法院的修正跟要求有所\n作為，他們的電價費率審議會設置及運作要點也都因應做了相關的調整，委員的名單也依各黨\n團的要求做了調整。","quality":0.913},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T10:44:19.956000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T10:44:32.381000+08:00","text":"為什麼上會期我們針對電業法第四十九條，朝野三黨可以有共識，促成審議會的改革，增加\n公開透明以及民間參與、專業導入？","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T10:44:32.961000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T10:44:40.365000+08:00","text":"目的就是讓電價的調整這件事情回到專業而不是由政治決\n定。","quality":0.885},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T10:44:41.986000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T10:44:42.526000+08:00","text":"如果依這樣的邏輯來講，電價調漲或調降已經有一個非常清楚的制度，也是我們剛剛修過\n的。","quality":0.316},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T10:44:42.526000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T10:45:08.268000+08:00","text":"所以我要提醒的就是說，我們應當就依著我們上個會期大家共同努力的方向，而且已經入\n法了，讓電價回歸專業，電價審議就是讓審議會專業處理。","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T10:45:08.268000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T10:45:21.998000+08:00","text":"如果要馬上，這是比較不好意思，一開議是不是又把有政治性的議題跟電價的調升放在一起\n，我覺得這樣可能不是太好，所以我們是做這樣的建議。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T10:45:21.998000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T10:45:30.925000+08:00","text":"但是如果要這樣的專案報告，我們可\n以安排，大家有共識的話，那是不是能夠跟台電 1,000 億的追加減預算就併在一起？","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T10:45:31.746000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T10:45:41.731000+08:00","text":"這樣主題相\n符，然後對話可以更聚焦，在時間的調配上也更為妥適、合宜，有請院長來裁示。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-09-18T10:45:41.731000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T10:45:42.731000+08:00","text":"謝謝吳思瑤幹事長的寶貴發言。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-09-18T10:45:42.731000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T10:45:43.731000+08:00","text":"傅總召跟麥幹事長還有洪委員如果要發言的話可以發言。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-09-18T10:45:43.731000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T10:45:44.731000+08:00","text":"我先嘗試做個小結論好不好？","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-09-18T10:45:44.731000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T10:45:45.731000+08:00","text":"針對三黨主要黨團幹部的發言，20 號開議大家都沒有意見，這\n是第一個。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-09-18T10:45:45.012000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T10:46:25.225000+08:00","text":"第二，台灣民眾黨是希望開議之後，能夠在 23 號、24 號直接加開院會，行政院院長\n的施政報告放在下星期二，但是國民黨跟民進黨團是希望 20 號開議之後就開始進行行政院長施\n協 3\n政報告，這是有點不太一樣的。","quality":0.866},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-09-18T10:46:25.225000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T10:46:37.128000+08:00","text":"所以我來唸唸看，如果大家同意的話，我們先來確定 20 號開議，就是我們今天做個初步結論\n，各黨團共識：原則上 20號開議，循例進行行政院院長施政報告。","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-09-18T10:46:37.408000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T10:46:37.708000+08:00","text":"這是第一個。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-09-18T10:46:37.708000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T10:46:38.708000+08:00","text":"今天我們協商的題目是開議日，我們是不是先針對開議日先簽出協商結論？","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-09-18T10:46:38.708000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T10:46:39.708000+08:00","text":"協商結論的草稿\n我會請議事人員送給各黨鞭來參考一下，現在就發到各位手上。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-09-18T10:46:39.708000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T10:46:40.708000+08:00","text":"好，請黃國昌總召再發言。","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-09-18T10:46:39.987000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T10:46:40.087000+08:00","text":"謝謝院長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-09-18T10:46:40.087000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T10:47:11.271000+08:00","text":"我想要先確定一下，開議日：20 號開議，再說明一次，台灣民眾黨支持\n，我們早就主張要及早開議。","quality":0.973},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-09-18T10:47:11.271000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T10:47:15.819000+08:00","text":"今天 18 號，最近的日期就是 20 號，那當然就是 20 號。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-09-18T10:47:17.957000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T10:47:39.090000+08:00","text":"第二個部\n分是針對有關開議以後的議事日程草案是不是今天協商的標的，如果不是今天協商的標的或今\n天協商沒有共識的話，我們是不是要在 20 號之前還是要在 20 號當天針對有關議事日程草案來\n進行表決？","quality":0.976},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-09-18T10:47:39.090000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T10:48:10.600000+08:00","text":"因為台灣民眾黨有台灣民眾黨的議事日程草案，針對要請行政院院長來報告能源配\n比、電價政策的部分，這跟上個會期修電業法的電價審議有外部機制參與根本完全沒有衝突，\n在邏輯上面根本是兩個層次不一樣的問題，但我也不想要在今天一開始的第一次黨團協商，針\n對兩個明明層次不一樣的問題在這邊繼續鬧得大家好像情緒都不好。","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-09-18T10:48:11.301000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T10:48:31.166000+08:00","text":"各黨團有各黨團的立場，台灣民眾黨團的立場就是這個樣子，理由我們也跟社會做了說明，\n其他黨團如果認為沒有必要或者是要另外併，我也尊重其他黨團對他們立場的表達，但我現在\n比較關心的事情是，除了開議日之外，議事日程草案是不是今天協商的標的？","quality":0.888},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-09-18T10:48:31.166000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T10:48:38.688400+08:00","text":"如果不是協商的\n標的，而針對議事日程草案，各個黨團有不同的看法，那我們勢必就要透過院會的民主程序來\n決定。","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-09-18T10:48:38.688400+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T10:48:46.210800+08:00","text":"如果透過院會的民主程序來決定，是 20 號當天來處理，還是什麼時候來處理？","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-09-18T10:48:46.210800+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T10:48:53.733200+08:00","text":"再請院長\n裁示。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-09-18T10:48:53.733200+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T10:49:01.255600+08:00","text":"謝謝黃國昌總召寶貴的發言。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-09-18T10:49:01.255600+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T10:49:08.778000+08:00","text":"接下來請洪委員發言。","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員申翰","start":"2024-09-18T10:49:08.778000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T10:49:25.104000+08:00","text":"20 號開議的部分我想大家是有共識的，剛剛民眾黨希望能夠針對能源配比和電價政\n策的事情，其實現在社會上對這件事情是有關注的，大家也想多知道一點。","quality":0.906},{"speaker":"洪委員申翰","start":"2024-09-18T10:49:25.844000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T10:49:36.068000+08:00","text":"我們的想法很簡單\n，這個部分行政院確實是可以多做說明跟報告的，但因為這件事情本身其實是一體兩面的東西\n，跟什麼一體兩面？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"洪委員申翰","start":"2024-09-18T10:49:37.690000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T10:49:42.675000+08:00","text":"跟目前台電希望提出追加減預算 1,000 億的事情是一體兩面的。","quality":0.88},{"speaker":"洪委員申翰","start":"2024-09-18T10:49:44.317000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T10:49:51.105000+08:00","text":"簡單來說，\n這就是一個台電財務和電價政策跟機制的問題。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"洪委員申翰","start":"2024-09-18T10:49:51.105000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T10:49:59.591000+08:00","text":"我想，瞭解能源政策的人都知道，這其實就是\n同一回事，電價怎麼訂當然確實就是會跟能源配比有關係。","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"洪委員申翰","start":"2024-09-18T10:49:59.591000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T10:50:15.240000+08:00","text":"所以我們的提議是，我們不是說不\n該報告這件事情，不是說要閃避能源配比或者是電價政策的報告，而是我們接下來就是要來針\n對台電的追加減預算 1,000 億。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"洪委員申翰","start":"2024-09-18T10:50:15.240000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T10:50:26.150000+08:00","text":"我是說這是一體兩面的事情，就一併地併起來報告，如果要要求\n行政院針對能源配比的部分多做說明，我們也同意。","quality":0.915},{"speaker":"洪委員申翰","start":"2024-09-18T10:50:26.150000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T10:50:32.869400+08:00","text":"所以我們不是說不要報告這件事情，不是\n這個意思，我覺得也可以報告，只是希望民眾黨提的能源配比跟電價政策就跟這個 1,000 億的追\n加減預算一併來做行政院長的報告。","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員申翰","start":"2024-09-18T10:50:32.869400+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T10:50:39.588800+08:00","text":"我們的想法是這樣，就這麼簡單，沒有否定民眾黨的提案。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-09-18T10:50:39.588800+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T10:50:46.308200+08:00","text":"好，謝謝洪副幹事長的寶貴發言。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-09-18T10:50:46.308200+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T10:50:53.027600+08:00","text":"現在林思銘書記長請繼續發言。","quality":0.154},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2024-09-18T10:50:53.027600+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T10:50:59.747000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝院長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2024-09-18T10:50:59.747000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T10:51:53.608000+08:00","text":"院長，我想我提出一個折衷的方案，就是 9 月 20 日來開議，然後行\n協 4\n政院長來做施政報告，我們進行總質詢，這一點原則上我想三黨都是意見一致的，至於民眾黨\n這邊說對電價配比以及電價調整的部分，要請院長來做專案報告，我想基本上，我們認為這是\n有必要的，我也贊同國昌講的，其實修法跟院長來做他施政的報告，對於這兩個議題、施政的\n意見，畢竟跟所謂台電 1,000 億的撥補，這些問題都需要院長來做說明，而不是由經濟部長來做\n報告，到時候預算的時候做說明，所以我想院長來做專報絕對是有他的必要性，跟民眾來說明\n白。","quality":0.78},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2024-09-18T10:51:54.189000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T10:52:06.580000+08:00","text":"所以我們覺得在星期一、下週一，如果加開一次院會，請行政院長來做專報，這個提議我是\n支持的，支持的！","quality":0.881},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2024-09-18T10:52:06.580000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T10:52:07.580000+08:00","text":"就是星期一請院長就電價的配比及電價調整來做專報，我們加開一次院會，\n以上，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-09-18T10:52:07.580000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T10:52:08.580000+08:00","text":"謝謝思銘書記長再度發言。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-09-18T10:52:08.580000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T10:52:09.580000+08:00","text":"現在請吳思瑤書記長，請發言。","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T10:52:07.601000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T10:52:37.857000+08:00","text":"我們看到這邊預擬的協商結論，有兩點，第一點就是同意 9 月 20 日來開議；第二點\n是 920 就邀請行政院院長來施政報告。","quality":0.756},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T10:52:37.857000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T10:52:53.078500+08:00","text":"當中第一點的最後一句話，「第 1 次會議議事日程以草\n案逕送院會處理」，這個可能再商榷一下、再說明一下，我們是覺得以前、過去第 1 次院會就\n是總質詢，剛剛大家都同意嘛！","quality":0.029},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T10:52:53.078500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T10:53:08.300000+08:00","text":"但是你放了這一句話，好像預留一個伏筆說草案逕送院會處理\n，是不是又會變更了施政報告的安排？","quality":0.171},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T10:53:08.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T10:53:11.882000+08:00","text":"一般議程，我們就讓程序委員會去處理嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T10:53:13.122000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T10:53:39.878000+08:00","text":"否則現在放\n這個，我會覺得就是一個空白的，沒有辦法很明確知道那個草案是什麼草案，所以如果三黨都\n有共識，周五就是總質詢，過去的往例，第 1 次院會就是總質詢，那就是很清楚，五、二就是\n總質詢，這是第一件事，所以我對於這個最後一句話是有疑義的，議事日程、議案怎麼排就走\n程序委員會的程序。","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T10:53:40.819000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T10:54:06.537000+08:00","text":"第二件事情是，要安排專案報告，各黨大家可以來磋商，磋商的包括主題跟時間，主題的部\n分，民眾黨提出的能源政策跟台電的電價政策等等，是可以進行，但是何妨就跟三大預算案的\n追加減、台電的 1,000 億一起進行？","quality":0.965},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T10:54:07.157000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T10:54:12.599000+08:00","text":"因為就如同剛剛我們副幹事長洪申翰說的，這是一個政策的\n一體兩面。","quality":0.966},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T10:54:13.720000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T10:54:24.284000+08:00","text":"然後我也要補充，三大預算案包括台電 1,000 億，要跟思銘書記長報告，也是院長領\n銜部會一起來，所以一樣就是卓院長加所有能源政策相關的部會，他本來就要來進行這一筆預\n算的質詢，那跟主題相關的專案報告併在一起，這就效率上、專業上、時間的分配上都非常合\n宜。","quality":0.55},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T10:54:24.324000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T10:54:27.366000+08:00","text":"所以如果在野黨希望能夠有這個專報，那就跟追加減、1,000 億放在一起，因為它是同一個\n主題。","quality":0.838},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T10:54:54.267000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T10:55:24.605000+08:00","text":"然後時間點，下周一就等於是加開院會，大家要同意一開議，這好像又回到上個會期，\n就是有在野黨又要加開院會，一個會期剛開始，會期有很多的時間可以邀請院長、部會首長來\n，如果又要再增加，就在周一，我們連召委都是要有作業的時間，要三天嘛！","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T10:55:24.945000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T10:55:27.165000+08:00","text":"所以才會是 25 號\n下周三選舉嘛！","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T10:55:28.606000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T10:55:37.088000+08:00","text":"現在周一又要加開院會，一開議，我好像又回到上個會期的那個輪迴，有這樣\n子的急迫到一定要下周一就加開院會嗎？","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T10:55:45.686000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T10:56:07.821000+08:00","text":"專案報告跟預算追加減、台電 1,000 億，我想合在一起\n，這是非常合宜的，所以就這個議題是一個主題，這是民進黨團的主張，就時間點上，我們認\n為……我們再次說 920 施政報告，然後再下一次，927 當天就進行總預算的報告，同樣都是卓院\n長率領內閣部會首長。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T10:56:07.821000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T10:56:14.325000+08:00","text":"然後台電的追加減 1,000億 plus民眾黨提出來的專案報告，可以再排一次\n協 5\n會，院長照樣率部會首長一起來，這樣清楚、明瞭、有效率，專業也有扣合，能夠聚焦，也爭\n取在野黨同仁的支持。對！","quality":0.382},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T10:56:14.325000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T10:56:15.325000+08:00","text":"時間是大家的，有多少議程做多少事，讓行政跟立法之間，大家能\n夠有好的默契、好的配合，我想這是必要的。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-09-18T10:56:15.325000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T10:56:16.325000+08:00","text":"謝謝吳思瑤幹事長再度的發言。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-09-18T10:56:15.726000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T10:56:16.566000+08:00","text":"請黃國昌總召，請繼續發言。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-09-18T10:56:44.865000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T10:56:45.546000+08:00","text":"謝謝院長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-09-18T10:56:47.207000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T10:56:55.091000+08:00","text":"針對預擬的決定事項一的部分，因為第一點的部分看起來就只有五、二嘛\n！","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-09-18T10:56:56.411000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T10:57:03.595000+08:00","text":"我們剛剛所提的建議，是因為下禮拜一沒有任何委員會要進行，不會干擾到任何委員會的進\n行。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-09-18T10:57:04.736000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T10:57:06.516000+08:00","text":"第二個，這個暑假其實也過得滿長的。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-09-18T10:57:08.537000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T10:57:21.342000+08:00","text":"第三個，能源政策跟電價政策，這本來就是行政部\n門每天都在做，要準備好的事情，你總不可能說好像這是一個什麼新的題目、奇怪的題目、今\n天突然提出來的題目，沒有啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-09-18T10:57:23.343000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T10:57:26.444000+08:00","text":"從這一屆國會開始，全體國人就關心這件事吧！","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-09-18T10:57:28.008000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T10:57:48.742000+08:00","text":"我想對於行政\n院、經濟部部長來講，國發會主委、台電董事長相關的人在這件事情，我想我對他們很有信心\n，準備很充分，因為這是他們的工作，每天都在做的工作，全體國人最關心的事情，負責任的\n說清楚講明白，我覺得這是回應全體國人的期待。","quality":0.98},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-09-18T10:57:49.842000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T10:58:24.007000+08:00","text":"也因此這個部分就是說，開議的日期我們同意，但議事日程到底要怎麼進行這件事情，因為\n這是一個協商的機制，每一個黨團有每一個黨團的立場，我們都尊重，如果各個黨團彼此之間\n的立場不一樣的話，那我們就針對各自所提出來的議事日程到院會裡面，透過民主程序來加以\n解決，這個我相信應該是國會審議民主的 ABC，不需要再多做說明。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-09-18T10:58:25.108000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T10:59:34.225000+08:00","text":"因此針對第一點的部分，\n因為沒有辦法涵蓋我們希望第一次的院會是禮拜五、禮拜一、禮拜二的一次會，這樣子的空間\n跟要求，好像隱隱然地把下禮拜一的這個東西給否決了，因此對於這個文字，我們希望能夠再\n寫得更明確一點，就是我們所希望提出來的議事日程草案，如果沒有得到其他黨團成員的支持\n，被否決了，只要是透過民主程序處理的，我們都會接受，但沒有道理說沒有踐行這個民主程\n序，就要求我們接受某一個特定政黨的黨團他們所提出來的主張，台灣民眾黨黨團對於這樣子\n文字的預擬，希望院長能夠再斟酌那個空間，就是說 920 開議這件事情，我再度重申，我們支\n持，沒有問題，但有關議事日程草案的這件事情，各個黨團有不一樣的看法，那既然有不一樣\n的看法，我們就按照立法院職權行使法、議事規則相關的規定，我們就照程序走，以上。","quality":0.651},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-09-18T10:59:38.148000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T10:59:40.930000+08:00","text":"好，請吳思瑤幹事長再度發言，請。","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T10:59:40.930000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T10:59:42.011000+08:00","text":"謝謝院長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T10:59:42.011000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:00:51.698000+08:00","text":"我想要再確認一下，我先講基本立場，簡單的事簡單處理，不用一開議把\n簡單的議程安排複雜化的處理，真的沒必要，開議日就進行總質詢，從以前到現在就是如此，\n要增加專報可以，可是剛剛黃國昌總召一直沒有辦法回應說他同不同意把主題相關的台電 1,000\n億追加減預算跟專案報告綁在一起，兩個合在一起是有意義的，因為它是一個政策的一體兩面\n，如果你要討論電價政策要如何調，那不得不去一同的探討，在野黨、民眾黨對於台電撥補\n1,000 億認為合理不合理，可能覺得撥太多，可能覺得補太少，因為這跟電價的升漲或是漲幅都\n會有相關，所以這個問題一直沒有聽到民眾黨代表的意見。","quality":0.975},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T11:00:51.698000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:00:58.762000+08:00","text":"我說簡單的事情簡單處理，專業的\n事情專業處理，這樣更有效能、更能聚焦。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T11:00:59.402000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:01:16.609000+08:00","text":"所以我再次強調，如果要有能源政策跟電價政策的\n專報，應當就是要跟台電追加減的 1,000 億預算在一起進行，因為來報告的都是卓榮泰院長及其\n協 6\n所率的內閣團隊。","quality":0.896},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T11:01:17.830000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:01:26.033000+08:00","text":"第二件事情，我剛剛也越聽越亂，就是我說的簡單的事情有人就偏偏要給它搞複雜，搞得自\n己最認真。","quality":0.951},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T11:01:26.053000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:01:44.868000+08:00","text":"剛剛民眾黨又提到五、一、二一次會，因為我本來的理解是禮拜一是加開院會，我\n不知道要怎麼排，現在民眾黨的代表說五、一、二要變成一次會，然後又要有這個專報，所以\n可能變成什麼？","quality":0.973},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T11:01:44.868000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:01:56.476000+08:00","text":"如果民眾黨的說法是五、一、二一次會，然後要專報，然後議事日程要循民主\n程序處理，院長，那可能變成，禮拜五一開始就是專報不是總質詢喔！","quality":0.912},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T11:01:58.059000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:02:00.740000+08:00","text":"因為他剛剛的說法是這\n樣，所以我覺得很奇怪呀！","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T11:02:01.800000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:02:03.721000+08:00","text":"簡單的事情為什麼要複雜處理呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T11:02:05.001000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:02:09.703000+08:00","text":"禮拜五就是開議，就是總質詢，\n對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T11:02:09.703000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:02:11.563000+08:00","text":"然後五、二一次會嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T11:02:12.543000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:02:17.445000+08:00","text":"如果要再加開一次會，那就不是五、一、二一次會了，那是「\n加開」，OK？","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T11:02:18.485000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:02:26.140000+08:00","text":"加開的主題是不是要回到我說的追加減 1,000 億，跟專報在一起？","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T11:02:27.542000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:02:36.571000+08:00","text":"這樣討論才有\n意義、才聚焦，要不然你講了一次專報完，再來排一次台電 1,000 億追加減，同樣主題的事情。","quality":0.951},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T11:02:38.673000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:02:54.190000+08:00","text":"簡單的事情就清楚明瞭、簡單處理、清楚處理、切中要害，不用這樣彎來彎去、轉來轉去，所\n以我不太清楚他們五、一、二又要一次會，然後又要用專報，那是要用專報取代總質詢嗎？","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T11:02:54.190000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T11:02:58.290000+08:00","text":"越\n講越亂。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-09-18T11:02:58.290000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:02:58.990000+08:00","text":"謝謝思瑤幹事長。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-09-18T11:02:58.990000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:03:00.711000+08:00","text":"接下來請林思銘幹事長。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2024-09-18T11:03:00.711000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:03:06.293000+08:00","text":"是的，院長，我想民進黨的思瑤可能真的沒有聽清楚我剛才講的。","quality":0.885},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2024-09-18T11:03:07.033000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:03:15.357000+08:00","text":"當然民眾黨的意見\n是這樣，但我剛才講了一個折衷的方式，所以我說禮拜一加開院會，就是處理專報這件事。","quality":0.932},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2024-09-18T11:03:16.077000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:03:23.240000+08:00","text":"至\n於您剛才一直提說我們星期五會有一個預算的專報，但是預算的那 1,000 億是有關台電撥補的議\n題，跟我們現在講的，用電配比的政策跟電價的調整，我個人認為這是不一樣的。","quality":0.847},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2024-09-18T11:03:23.240000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:03:55.121000+08:00","text":"你那個只限\n縮在台電要撥補 1,000 億給它這件事，這是預算要去撥補的，而我們現在聚焦的專報是有關電的\n配比，那是執政團隊行政院所擬的意見，跟所謂電價調整的議題。","quality":0.768},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2024-09-18T11:03:55.121000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:04:09.353000+08:00","text":"請院長跟我們全國人民講清\n楚、說明白，這是不一樣的，預算歸預算，這種有關政策面的問題，我想行政院長確實有來說\n清楚、講明白的必要。","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2024-09-18T11:04:09.914000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:04:10.074000+08:00","text":"以上，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員申翰","start":"2024-09-18T11:04:14.054000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:04:20.320000+08:00","text":"其實我說實話，我剛才在聽各黨的相關意見，我認為其實差異沒有很大。","quality":0.966},{"speaker":"洪委員申翰","start":"2024-09-18T11:04:24.083000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:04:33.031000+08:00","text":"剛才思銘委\n員講的問題，我作一個簡短的說明，如果要談台電追加減 1,000 億預算的問題，後面的問題當然\n就是台電的財務問題。","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"洪委員申翰","start":"2024-09-18T11:04:39.943000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:04:47.585000+08:00","text":"台電的財務就是成本跟支出，成本跟支出當然是跟能源政策的配比有高\n度的相關嘛！","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"洪委員申翰","start":"2024-09-18T11:04:48.225000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:04:58.188000+08:00","text":"我想這個國民黨也知道，這個民眾黨之前其實就已經講很多了，我們之前每次談\n到電價政策的時候，民眾黨的張啓楷委員都會說，那你先交代配比問題。","quality":0.855},{"speaker":"洪委員申翰","start":"2024-09-18T11:04:58.188000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:05:12.612000+08:00","text":"其實電價的問題跟配\n比、跟支出，這當然是同一件事，所以我說這是一體兩面的事情，所以談台電的追加減預算當\n然不是只談這 1,000 億要怎麼樣的問題。","quality":0.934},{"speaker":"洪委員申翰","start":"2024-09-18T11:05:12.612000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:05:14.213000+08:00","text":"為什麼要編列 1,000 億？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"洪委員申翰","start":"2024-09-18T11:05:14.213000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:05:36.641000+08:00","text":"這當然與台電的財務問題到底\n是長什麼樣，財務問題後面，你的成本跟支出當然是來自於配比，所以我剛才是覺得這個討論\n是很好的，我們也可以趁機把為什麼要追加減 1,000 億的事情，可能是因為現在配比的限制，可\n能是因為我們電價目前政策跟機制的問題，這是一個完整的政策內容。","quality":0.88},{"speaker":"洪委員申翰","start":"2024-09-18T11:05:36.641000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T11:05:39.150000+08:00","text":"也因為這是一個完整的\n政策內容，所以我們同意談配比問題。","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員申翰","start":"2024-09-18T11:05:39.150000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T11:05:41.659000+08:00","text":"請卓院長來報告配比問題、報告電價機制的問題，我們\n協 7\n也都同意，我們只是希望讓它完整化，而不是用兩個專案報告或兩個報告，其實可能都在談同\n一件事情，這也不一定是好的。","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員申翰","start":"2024-09-18T11:05:41.659000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:06:25.552000+08:00","text":"我猜想黃國昌總召之所以想要在禮拜一的時候加開，他可能有\n他自己在議事排程上面的想法，可是我們也覺得沒有必要，讓明明是同一件事情非得要分開變\n成是兩個報告，這對於議事的效率來說，其實也是一個浪費。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員申翰","start":"2024-09-18T11:06:27.413000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:06:46.998000+08:00","text":"我覺得剛剛大家的很多想法差異\n並不大，只是現在我們怎麼讓一個該完整的主題完整，假設要行政院報告得更完整，甚至大家\n想要他特別針對配比的問題多做說明，民進黨黨團也不反對，但這就是一體兩面的事情，這就\n是一個完整的政策，我們的態度其實是這樣子。","quality":0.679},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-09-18T11:06:46.998000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T11:06:57.053500+08:00","text":"謝謝洪申翰委員，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-09-18T11:06:57.053500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T11:07:07.109000+08:00","text":"各位黨團幹部，我想我們還是聚焦，回到我們今天召請朝野協商最主要我們提出來要討論的\n，那就是 20 日開議的事情。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-09-18T11:07:07.109000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:07:14.676000+08:00","text":"容我歸納各位黨團幹部剛才主要的發言，我嘗試性把它歸納一下，\n大家聽聽看，有意見我們再來說。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-09-18T11:07:15.056000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:07:23.985000+08:00","text":"我們今天的協商現在做個初步結論，一、各黨團共識原則上 20 日開議，循例進行行政院院長\n施政報告。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-09-18T11:07:26.148000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:07:35.451000+08:00","text":"二、今天協商的題目是開議日，我們是不是先針對開議日等一下請大家先簽同意協\n商結論？","quality":0.973},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-09-18T11:07:35.451000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:07:40.932000+08:00","text":"協商結論的草稿我也請議事人員再送請各位黨鞭來參考一下。","quality":0.885},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-09-18T11:07:42.013000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:07:53.776000+08:00","text":"三、至於剛才大家所提\n出行政院專案報告還有加開院會等事宜，我們可以在第 1次院會用議程草案送院會處理。","quality":0.978},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-09-18T11:07:56.042000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:08:33.105000+08:00","text":"第二部分，如果各位同意的話，我們還是循慣例，9月 20 日開議，舉行第 11 屆第 2 會期第 1\n次會議，每週五及次週二視為一次院會，國是論壇及臨時提案援往例處理，每一個禮拜五上午 9\n時至 10時為國是論壇時間，週二下午 1時 50分至 2時 30分處理臨時提案，第 1次會議議事日\n程以草案逕送院會處理。","quality":0.865},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-09-18T11:08:33.786000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:08:44.410000+08:00","text":"有關 23 日（星期一）加開院會處理相關專案報告事宜，併同第 1 次會\n議議程草案，依黨團提出進行處理。","quality":0.872},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-09-18T11:08:47.966000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:09:30.947000+08:00","text":"二、9 月 20 日邀請行政院院長率同各部會首長列席進行施政報告並備詢，報告後隨即進行政\n黨質詢，當天質詢人數一樣依慣例，國民黨黨團推派 3 員，民進黨黨團推派 3 員，台灣民眾黨\n黨團推派 1 員進行，質詢的順序依國民黨黨團、台灣民眾黨黨團、民進黨黨團之順序輪流交叉\n方式進行，有關質詢期間之順序及人數，均依例授權議事處來辦理；當次會議我們不處理臨時\n提案。","quality":0.946},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-09-18T11:09:31.827000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:09:48.372000+08:00","text":"各位黨團幹部，現在已經發到各位的手上，如果同意，我們就開始進行朝野協商，我們來簽\n字，來確定今天朝野協商達到我們預定召開會議的目標，請大家參考。","quality":0.969},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-09-18T11:11:00.075000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:11:01.316000+08:00","text":"請吳思瑤幹事長發言。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T11:11:05.219000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:11:14.926000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，現在發的是新的協商結論，這個有點贅語啦！","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T11:11:14.926000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:11:28.508000+08:00","text":"第一點的最後方「第 1次會\n議議事日程以草案逕送院會處理，有關 23 日（星期一）加開院會處理相關專案報告事宜，併同\n第 1 次會議議程草案，依黨團提出進行處理。","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T11:11:28.508000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T11:11:31.014125+08:00","text":"」這個有需要寫嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T11:11:31.014125+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T11:11:33.520250+08:00","text":"應該回到第一版就好啦！","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T11:11:33.520250+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T11:11:36.026375+08:00","text":"大\n家意思很清楚啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T11:11:36.026375+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T11:11:38.532500+08:00","text":"這不是很清楚嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T11:11:38.532500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T11:11:41.038625+08:00","text":"我提一下我的意見，因為這個就是想當然爾的事情是沒有\n必要。","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T11:11:41.038625+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T11:11:43.544750+08:00","text":"好，我講一下，因為我覺得這樣子，就是某黨團講了一句話，這個協商結論就要把它放進去\n，因為本來議事日程就可以這樣處理啦！","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T11:11:43.544750+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T11:11:46.050875+08:00","text":"我是覺得有需要放嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T11:11:46.050875+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T11:11:48.557000+08:00","text":"這個是這兩點的意見。","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T11:11:48.557000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:12:36.318000+08:00","text":"協 8\n另外也要提出來，有關 920 當天要提醒一下院會的議程安排，因為 921 災防日當天是禮拜六\n，所以會在 920 當天有演習，據我們跟行政部門的了解，行政院有來表達說在 9 點 21 分前後會\n有需要全員就地掩護的這些演練，所以在那個時間點，也就是 9 點到 10 點間會議起訖的時間，\n請議事組、院長這邊可能要考量一下。","quality":0.858},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T11:12:38.078000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:12:44.040000+08:00","text":"對，早上 9點 21分的那個時候，因為那個是全員都要……","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T11:12:45.560000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:12:50.801000+08:00","text":"所以就要尊重……對，我是要提醒，就是這個議程要……可以嗎？","quality":0.864},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T11:12:50.801000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T11:12:51.801000+08:00","text":"好，我們反映一下這個事情，因為是要全員掩護，誰在臺上講話到一半，他要躲到桌\n子下，因為行政部門希望這個演練能夠確實，那會不會影響議程？","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T11:12:51.801000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T11:12:52.801000+08:00","text":"我提醒院長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2024-09-18T11:12:52.801000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T11:12:53.801000+08:00","text":"國是論壇取消。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-09-18T11:12:53.801000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T11:12:54.801000+08:00","text":"思瑤幹事長，那現在朝野協商……","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T11:12:52.188000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:13:35.828000+08:00","text":"然後還有第二件事情是，我們希望院長是不是一併可以在今天能夠來處理，依往例，\n第 2 次會議就是總預算，院長率部會來報告，是不是把 924 定為總預算的報告，也把期程列下\n來？927 啦！","quality":0.873},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T11:13:35.828000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:13:43.330000+08:00","text":"對不起，927 是下週五，第 2 次會議，往例也是這樣，是不是一併可以落在今天的\n協商共識裡頭來處理？","quality":0.921},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T11:13:43.330000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T11:13:44.330000+08:00","text":"第三個，我有臨時動議，稍後請院長保留時間給我。","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T11:13:44.330000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T11:13:45.330000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-09-18T11:13:45.330000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T11:13:46.330000+08:00","text":"我們請議事處高處長就吳思瑤幹事長所提出的總預算……","quality":0},{"speaker":"高處長百祥","start":"2024-09-18T11:13:46.273000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:13:49.776000+08:00","text":"有關預算案處理的時程都是由院會來定期邀請，過去實務上針對預算案何時要邀請行\n政院院長、主計長、財政部門來，是透過協商的方式來進行處理。","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"高處長百祥","start":"2024-09-18T11:14:09.451000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:14:14.095000+08:00","text":"因為今天是開議日的協商，\n如果大家願意，當然是可以針對總預算來進行後續協商，以上是這個樣子。對啊！","quality":0.744},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T11:14:14.095000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T11:14:15.095000+08:00","text":"所以我是透過協商提出來。","quality":0},{"speaker":"高處長百祥","start":"2024-09-18T11:14:15.095000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T11:14:16.095000+08:00","text":"如果大家願意的話。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-09-18T11:14:16.095000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T11:14:17.095000+08:00","text":"謝謝高處長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-09-18T11:14:17.095000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T11:14:18.095000+08:00","text":"各位黨團幹部，我還是再一次呼籲大家，我們還是聚焦回到開議日，因為這個\n不確定，後面你定錨都定不下來嘛！","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-09-18T11:14:18.095000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T11:14:19.095000+08:00","text":"好不好？","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-09-18T11:14:19.095000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T11:14:20.095000+08:00","text":"那如果同意的話，剛才已經發到各位手上，我們\n就來同意這個。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-09-18T11:14:20.095000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T11:14:21.095000+08:00","text":"吳思瑤幹事長跟洪申翰副幹事長……","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T11:14:21.095000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T11:14:22.095000+08:00","text":"現在有 3版是不是？","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-09-18T11:14:22.095000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T11:14:23.095000+08:00","text":"對，現在最新送到您手上的這個。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-09-18T11:14:19.325000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:14:20.706000+08:00","text":"我們休息 5分鐘。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-09-18T11:14:20.706000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T11:23:11.068000+08:00","text":"休息（11時 14分）\n繼續開會（11時 23分）","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-09-18T11:23:11.068000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:23:13.009000+08:00","text":"謝謝，麻煩請各位黨團幹部就座，接下來請吳思瑤幹事長發言。","quality":0.88},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-09-18T11:23:14.770000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:23:17.691000+08:00","text":"我們請吳思瑤幹事長發言完\n畢以後，主席就要進行處理了，謝謝。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T11:23:17.691000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:23:57.767000+08:00","text":"好，依據院長預擬的協商結論兩點，第二點很清楚的是 920 的 10 點開始開會，當天\n不處理臨時提案，不進行國是論壇，因為避開 921 防災的那個時刻，然後也明定了當天行政院\n協 9\n率各部會首長進行施政報告並備質詢，然後各黨的人數 3、3、1，第二點的部分沒有問題，也是\n循往例來進行。","quality":0.731},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T11:24:12.692000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:24:36.153000+08:00","text":"至於第一點的部分，讓大家參考一下，倒數兩句話其實是有點贅語，這個給黃\n國昌總召參考一下，因為您剛剛已經加列了這一句話「第 1 次會議議事日程以草案逕送院會處\n理」，其實就含括了你後面那一句話「23 號星期一是否加開院會處理專報」的這個東西，其實\n就可以併同第 1 次會議議程以草案進行處理，這個是不是商量一下最後那一句話有沒有必要放\n？","quality":0.706},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T11:24:36.153000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T11:24:37.153000+08:00","text":"這個可以請黃總召商量一下，因為意思是一樣的……好。","quality":0.095},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-09-18T11:24:37.153000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T11:24:38.153000+08:00","text":"麥玉珍幹事長，你要不要發言？不要？","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T11:24:38.153000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T11:24:39.153000+08:00","text":"意思是一樣的。","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T11:24:39.153000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T11:24:40.153000+08:00","text":"這個最後我們再磋商一下下。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-09-18T11:24:40.153000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T11:24:41.153000+08:00","text":"好的，謝謝思瑤幹事長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-09-18T11:24:38.011000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:24:38.011000+08:00","text":"請黃國昌總召。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T11:24:38.011000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T11:24:56.709000+08:00","text":"意思是一樣的。","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-09-18T11:24:56.709000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:25:14.294000+08:00","text":"我想事情還是比較明確點好了，如果吳思瑤幹事長認為意思是一樣的話，我相信也沒\n有反對的意思；既然沒有反對的意思的話，台灣民眾黨黨團的立場是，第一點後面的那兩句話\n，我們希望還是把它加上去，比較明確一點，既然認為意思是一樣的，就沒有反對的意思嘛！","quality":0.817},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-09-18T11:25:14.675000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:25:25.018000+08:00","text":"你如果覺得這個是贅語，那就請容許台灣民眾黨黨團希望堅持的要求把這兩個贅語也放進去，\n禮拜五處理的時候會比較明確。以上。好。","quality":0.927},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-09-18T11:25:27.239000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:25:33.281000+08:00","text":"現在國民黨傅崐萁總召第一次發言，請。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"傅委員崐萁","start":"2024-09-18T11:25:33.281000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:25:42.124000+08:00","text":"院長辛苦了，第一次召集朝野協商，大家都姍姍來遲，不過我還是第一個到的，跟你\n長相左右。","quality":0.946},{"speaker":"傅委員崐萁","start":"2024-09-18T11:25:44.284000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:25:53.527000+08:00","text":"中秋節剛過，我想今天月圓人團圓，大家今天協商還是氣氛好一點。","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"傅委員崐萁","start":"2024-09-18T11:25:53.867000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:26:14.431000+08:00","text":"民眾黨要求 23\n號禮拜一來做一個能源配比的專案報告，我想這個是民眾非常期待的事情，因為可能 10 月份又\n要漲電價，要讓人民有知的權利，國會就是正在做這些事情。","quality":0.97},{"speaker":"傅委員崐萁","start":"2024-09-18T11:26:16.451000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:27:00.446000+08:00","text":"20 號開議是大家都已經有共識，\n既然 20 號開議，跟 24 號是一次院會，除了 20 號邀請卓榮泰院長做施政報告，接下來施政總質\n詢，既然 20 號跟 24 號都順利的來開會，我想今天大家可能沒有注意到一件事情，就是到目前\n為止我們的協商都沒有感覺要杯葛閣揆上臺的意思，我想這對執政黨來講是一個非常好的訊息\n，大家都希望我們儘快來進行所有的議事內容。","quality":0.943},{"speaker":"傅委員崐萁","start":"2024-09-18T11:27:00.446000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T11:27:12.596200+08:00","text":"既然 23 號是多出來的一天，目前沒有任何議程，如果加開一個專報，事實上對整個立法院的\n議程是完全沒有影響的，而且也讓民眾能夠更了解現在到底我們的能源是什麼樣的狀況、10 月\n是不是又要再漲電價、為什麼要拿這麼多錢去補助台電、我們整體的配置是否失當等等，這些\n都是可以公開討論的議題。","quality":0.293},{"speaker":"傅委員崐萁","start":"2024-09-18T11:27:12.596200+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T11:27:24.746400+08:00","text":"既然 23 號不會影響到整個議事的期程，我是覺得這個部分應該大家\n都好商量，對不對？","quality":0.118},{"speaker":"傅委員崐萁","start":"2024-09-18T11:27:24.746400+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T11:27:36.896600+08:00","text":"畢竟昨天中秋節剛過，今天是第一次朝野協商，我們想讓這個會期更多的\n事情大家能夠一團和氣，大家也都不要太堅持，就儘量讓這個事情儘早完成，好不好？","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-09-18T11:27:36.896600+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T11:27:49.046800+08:00","text":"剛才有發言的就不要再重複。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-09-18T11:27:49.046800+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T11:28:01.197000+08:00","text":"請洪委員。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"洪委員申翰","start":"2024-09-18T11:28:01.197000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:28:03.100000+08:00","text":"也順著傅總召的講法，傅總召剛剛講了一句話，其實我們也有同感啦！","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"洪委員申翰","start":"2024-09-18T11:28:03.180000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:28:34.510000+08:00","text":"傅總召剛才說\n，大家都很在意能源政策配比的問題，尤其是大家也關心到底是什麼樣的能源政策、接下來為\n協 10\n什麼還要再來撥補、追加預算？","quality":0.93},{"speaker":"洪委員申翰","start":"2024-09-18T11:28:35.451000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:29:00.748000+08:00","text":"其實傅總召這個講法也就是讓大家知道，追加減台電的預算就\n跟能源配比及電價政策是同一個完整的政策，所以我剛剛才說，傅總召講的講法跟我們的想法\n其實也差不多，所以這也是為什麼我們會覺得，如果要做專案報告的話，其實台電的追加減預\n算跟民眾黨提的能源配比，還有電價政策應該併在一起。","quality":0.794},{"speaker":"洪委員申翰","start":"2024-09-18T11:29:00.748000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T11:29:12.199500+08:00","text":"這是我順著剛剛傅總召的話講。","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員申翰","start":"2024-09-18T11:29:12.199500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T11:29:23.651000+08:00","text":"第二點，我要說的事情是，針對我們在決定事項第一項裡面寫的，剛剛黃總召也覺得，如果\n這是贅語的話，他們還是堅持想要把這個贅語放進去。","quality":0.017},{"speaker":"洪委員申翰","start":"2024-09-18T11:29:23.651000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:29:38.239000+08:00","text":"我們現在談邏輯問題，如果 23 號（禮拜\n一）加開院會，當然我們清楚知道這是民眾黨黨團的期待，這是他的期待，其實這個內容也可\n以併在第 1 次院會的時候一併處理，大家都知道這個實質的意思。","quality":0.87},{"speaker":"洪委員申翰","start":"2024-09-18T11:29:39.120000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:29:47.765000+08:00","text":"如果每個黨團要把自己的期\n待、明明可以併進最後那句話的期待都放上去的話，民進黨團是不是也可以把我們的期待、要\n求要寫上去？","quality":0.927},{"speaker":"洪委員申翰","start":"2024-09-18T11:29:48.545000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:29:57.813000+08:00","text":"反正只要併同第 1 次會議議程草案，其實意思都差不多，所以大家就可以開始無\n限的把自己的期待都寫在上面囉？","quality":0.978},{"speaker":"洪委員申翰","start":"2024-09-18T11:29:57.813000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:30:01.176000+08:00","text":"因為都是可以在第 1 次的議程草案裡面來處理，對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員申翰","start":"2024-09-18T11:30:01.176000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:30:02.137000+08:00","text":"其\n實實質的意思差不多。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員申翰","start":"2024-09-18T11:30:04.600000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:30:13.467000+08:00","text":"我也順著剛剛黃總召的意思，我們把事情明確化、簡單化，如果要明確\n化、簡單化的話，不一定要把大家、甚至自己認為是贅語的東西放上去。","quality":0.679},{"speaker":"洪委員申翰","start":"2024-09-18T11:30:13.467000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T11:30:14.467000+08:00","text":"如果這個贅語要放上\n去的話，我們也要放我們的期待，其實這就沒完沒了了。","quality":0.065},{"speaker":"洪委員申翰","start":"2024-09-18T11:30:14.467000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T11:30:15.467000+08:00","text":"不知道為什麼只有民眾黨團的期待可\n以放上去？","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員申翰","start":"2024-09-18T11:30:15.467000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T11:30:16.467000+08:00","text":"如果我們三個黨團都知道最後實質的意思差不多的話，對不對？","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員申翰","start":"2024-09-18T11:30:16.467000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T11:30:17.467000+08:00","text":"民進黨也要把我們\n對接下來議程的期待列上去啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員申翰","start":"2024-09-18T11:30:16.216000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:30:16.636000+08:00","text":"反正都可以併同在第 1 次會議程草案裡面，依黨團提出進行處\n理。","quality":0.308},{"speaker":"洪委員申翰","start":"2024-09-18T11:30:16.636000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T11:30:26.342333+08:00","text":"我講的是邏輯問題。","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T11:30:26.342333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T11:30:36.048667+08:00","text":"如果這樣順著這個主題……","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T11:30:36.048667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T11:30:45.755000+08:00","text":"如果是有關 23，因為都未定，就是要在週五的議事日程來處理。","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T11:30:45.755000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:31:11.969000+08:00","text":"如果最後一句話，\n就是大家的期待都能夠滿足的話，有關 23 日（星期一）加開院會處理相關預算案暨專案報告事\n宜，併同第 1 次會議議程草案。","quality":0.564},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T11:31:12.389000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:31:21.593000+08:00","text":"因為我也很明確，我們要公平，我的意思是要有這個專報，就\n是跟追加減預算一起進行，才合宜、聚焦。","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T11:31:22.433000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:31:30.096000+08:00","text":"如果這樣的話，我們的期待就文字上處理而已，「\n院會處理相關預算案暨專案報告事宜」，這樣好不好？","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T11:31:30.796000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:31:32.296000+08:00","text":"大家的期待都放在裡面。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員申翰","start":"2024-09-18T11:31:32.296000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T11:31:36.079000+08:00","text":"把大家的期待都放上去啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T11:31:36.079000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:31:40.641000+08:00","text":"就是相關預算案，追加減預算也是相關。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T11:31:40.641000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:31:45.044000+08:00","text":"就是「處理相關預算案暨專案報告事宜」，\n這樣好不好？","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T11:31:46.505000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:32:03.589000+08:00","text":"因為這樣也表達了我們剛剛的意見，也能夠被併同一起來處置，但最終都會回到\n第 1 次會議議事日程，以草案送院會處理，這樣比較合理，這樣彼此的期待就更精準一點。","quality":0.956},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T11:32:03.589000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:32:04.850000+08:00","text":"但\n是能不能夠進行？","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T11:32:05.370000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:32:15.953000+08:00","text":"一樣，禮拜五的議事日程來處理，所以我方，即民進黨團剛剛一直在講的「\n相關預算案暨專案報告」，這樣合理啦！","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T11:32:16.873000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:32:17.834000+08:00","text":"你的期待、我的期待……","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2024-09-18T11:32:17.834000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T11:32:19.274000+08:00","text":"院長，我簡單講。","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T11:32:19.274000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:32:21.435000+08:00","text":"大家都能夠一併來公平的對待。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-09-18T11:32:21.435000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T11:32:22.435000+08:00","text":"謝謝吳思瑤幹事長，現在我們請林思銘書記長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T11:32:22.435000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T11:32:23.435000+08:00","text":"那也沒關係，我只是要表達我的意見，好不好？","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T11:32:23.435000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T11:32:24.435000+08:00","text":"我表達一下。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2024-09-18T11:32:24.435000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T11:32:25.435000+08:00","text":"沒關係，我直接表達。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2024-09-18T11:32:22.890000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:32:26.835000+08:00","text":"因為這個文字敘述是「處理相關專案報告」，並沒有說相關專\n協 11\n案是什麼，所以你提的預算也是包含在這個相關專案裡面。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2024-09-18T11:32:43.814000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:32:47.958000+08:00","text":"你又講要再把預算寫清楚，這不是\n贅文嗎？","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2024-09-18T11:32:47.958000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:32:49.119000+08:00","text":"這原本就包含了！","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T11:32:49.179000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:32:51.661000+08:00","text":"所以這就凸顯了一件事情，這是贅文，OK？","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T11:32:52.222000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:32:53.223000+08:00","text":"就有人一定要放！","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2024-09-18T11:32:53.683000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:32:56.646000+08:00","text":"我的解讀，這不是贅文，這是有意義的，因為你現在……","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T11:32:56.786000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:32:58.948000+08:00","text":"你剛剛前一句話講是贅文，現在又不是贅文！沒有！","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2024-09-18T11:32:59.108000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:33:02.311000+08:00","text":"我沒有講是贅文，我說如果你認為是贅文，那為什麼不把它加上去？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T11:33:02.471000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:33:04.192000+08:00","text":"沒關係，您的理解跟我一樣就好了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2024-09-18T11:33:04.313000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:33:16.481000+08:00","text":"因為這個是第 1次會議的議事日程，以草案逕送院會處理，但是我們現在一直提到一\n件事──23 號要不要加開院會去處理相關專案報告的事情？","quality":0.948},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2024-09-18T11:33:17.441000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:33:24.126000+08:00","text":"這是我們三黨在這個協商過程中講\n的一件事，原本我們希望直接協商就把它完成。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2024-09-18T11:33:24.126000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T11:33:30.581000+08:00","text":"剛才你也提到希望依照立法院職權行使法的議\n事日程來做，所以我們把它加進去，如果有相關專案報告的提案，我們在 23 號併同第 1 次院會\n來處理，這是 OK的！","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2024-09-18T11:33:30.581000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T11:33:37.036000+08:00","text":"這不是贅文，它有它的意義，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-09-18T11:33:37.036000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T11:33:43.491000+08:00","text":"我們先讓麥玉珍委員發言，他還沒發言過。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-09-18T11:33:43.491000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T11:33:49.946000+08:00","text":"請麥玉珍委員發言，然後請吳思瑤委員準備。","quality":0},{"speaker":"麥委員玉珍","start":"2024-09-18T11:33:49.946000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:33:51.348000+08:00","text":"謝謝我們院長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"麥委員玉珍","start":"2024-09-18T11:33:51.348000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:34:16.291000+08:00","text":"因為我們是黨團協商，我覺得黨團協商每個人都可以有意見，每一個\n人要放進來才是達成共識，不能說你的贅語也可以放，我的贅語也可以放，這個不是協商的理\n論，我覺得我都聽不下去了，所以每一個人都有修改文字的權利，看要不要放，同意就放，不\n同意就不放，不要用這樣子的語言去講，我覺得不是，因為討論都是三黨來決議要放哪一個、\n要修哪一個，不能這樣子就說誰要放、我們要放、你要放，我覺得不是這樣子去發言，這樣沒\n完沒了，我覺得我們要就事論事，把事情討論到大家有共同結果，都是討論出來的，所以以上\n報告，謝謝。","quality":0.634},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-09-18T11:34:25.576000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:34:25.596000+08:00","text":"謝謝麥玉珍委員發言。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-09-18T11:34:53.231000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:34:56.393000+08:00","text":"我們現在請洪委員再次發言。","quality":0.583},{"speaker":"洪委員申翰","start":"2024-09-18T11:34:56.553000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:34:57.774000+08:00","text":"剛剛麥委員講的，我們很同意。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員申翰","start":"2024-09-18T11:34:57.894000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:35:08.639000+08:00","text":"麥委員前面說黨團協商每個人的意見都可以被提出，\n都可以被放入，這是剛剛麥委員前面講的，所以麥委員的邏輯很可愛啦！","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"洪委員申翰","start":"2024-09-18T11:35:09.299000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:35:32.132000+08:00","text":"所以我們也是覺得說\n，如果大家、每個黨團都有意見表達的權利，也都可以爭取放入的權利的話，就像剛剛民眾黨\n團爭取想要放入他們期待的事情，即便最後這個議程的處理沒有差別，我們的意思是說民眾黨\n團可以放，那我們是不是也可以爭取放我們的期待？","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員申翰","start":"2024-09-18T11:35:32.872000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:35:45.119000+08:00","text":"我們的邏輯其實是一個等價的邏輯，所以\n我剛剛說麥委員剛才講的發言邏輯，我是覺得很可愛，某些部分我們也覺得很好，所以我順著\n你的話講，這樣子。","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-09-18T11:35:47.081000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:35:55.543000+08:00","text":"只有說她的發言可愛，沒有說她長得可愛……","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"洪委員申翰","start":"2024-09-18T11:35:55.543000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T11:35:58.463000+08:00","text":"我不方便這樣講。","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T11:35:58.463000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:36:39.995000+08:00","text":"我想這個大家再思考看看，如果說在野兩黨都很期待在 23 號周一就有一個專報的話\n，因為現在是放在協商結論就等於未確定，就是周五議程再處理，我們覺得如果你要進行就很\n明確，如果你要把時間訂下來，專案報告就跟追加減預算一起來，這樣也不用有周五議程未確\n定的問題，就在 23 號周一直接進行台電 1,000 億的追加預算及相關能源政策及電價政策的專案\n協 12\n報告。","quality":0.927},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T11:36:40.676000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:37:05.945000+08:00","text":"因為我們真的很在乎的是完整的政策不要被切割的討論，我們作為監督……就是一個專\n報，就是把那個包在一起，完整的政策完整對話，讓行政部門可以很完整地針對台電的追加減\n預算，到底 1,000億合宜不合宜，在野可以監督。","quality":0.389},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T11:37:06.546000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:37:17.514000+08:00","text":"然後因應著有個追加減預算在那裡，電價的調漲、調降又在什麼樣的 range 是合宜的，這個真\n的是一體兩面，你沒有辦法切割啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T11:37:18.195000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:37:43.314000+08:00","text":"所以如果在野黨這麼覺得周一想做，那時間訂下來，可以\n討論，這個大家磋商一下，可是真的不要把完整的政策一分為二，這樣討論不能全面，所以我\n剛剛就是說我期待的、我們期待的，其實那不是期待，那是合理性的問題啊！","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T11:37:44.575000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:37:51.358000+08:00","text":"台電追加減預算\n跟電價政策本來就是一個政策，為什麼要切兩次？","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T11:37:52.279000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:38:02.247000+08:00","text":"這不是只有期待的問題，這是合理性跟專業\n性的問題，把它併在一起，923 如果能夠確定兩個併在一起，那 923 就訂，OK 啊！","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T11:38:02.808000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:38:04.109000+08:00","text":"就不用議程\n未確定嘛！","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T11:38:04.109000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T11:38:05.568000+08:00","text":"這個再拋出來，大家都有更具體想要的時程，那我們有很具體想要的政策完整性，\n可以一次被檢驗、完整被監督，這個是不是大家參考一下？","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員申翰","start":"2024-09-18T11:38:05.568000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:38:06.029000+08:00","text":"這個大家互相妥協嘛！","quality":0.444},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T11:38:06.029000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T11:38:13.238500+08:00","text":"對，然後我也要再次拋出來民進黨團的期待，如果針對總預算跟前瞻進行的時程，一\n併能夠在今天有個共識，這是非常好的，好不好？","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T11:38:13.238500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T11:38:20.448000+08:00","text":"譬如說 927第二次會……","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-09-18T11:38:20.448000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:38:21.288000+08:00","text":"這是您的最終立場了，就是你們確定？","quality":0.733},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T11:38:21.288000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T11:38:26.054500+08:00","text":"就是總預算跟前瞻能訂的話，最好就在 927 那天一次訂下來，然後剛剛 923，如果要\n突破它，不讓它用議事日程去處理，是明確就定在 923 周一的話，那就是讓完整的政策一起被\n討論，這樣才有意義。","quality":0.014},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-09-18T11:38:26.054500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T11:38:30.821000+08:00","text":"你已經表達過，OK，沒問題……","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T11:38:30.821000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T11:38:35.587500+08:00","text":"好不好？","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T11:38:35.587500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T11:38:40.354000+08:00","text":"我再清楚的 confirm一下。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-09-18T11:38:40.354000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:38:40.594000+08:00","text":"我徵詢其他黨的意見，現在請黃國昌總召發言。","quality":0.368},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-09-18T11:39:04.389000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:39:05.069000+08:00","text":"謝謝院長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-09-18T11:39:05.069000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:39:34.904000+08:00","text":"我想麥玉珍委員的發言很清楚的表達黨團的立場，至於其他黨團的代表要\n用可愛來形容，也謝謝他們的稱讚，那比較可愛的形容詞應該或許是有的時候我比較客氣的發\n言，對方聽不懂客氣的意涵，就順著客氣的意涵往上攀，如果是這樣的話，我就把話再講得更\n明確一點。","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-09-18T11:39:34.904000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:39:43.988000+08:00","text":"剛剛院長所講的決定事項第一點後面那兩句話，台灣民眾黨黨團認為不是贅語，有放進去的\n必要，我們堅持放入。","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-09-18T11:39:44.808000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:40:15.527000+08:00","text":"第二個，要把兩個不同層次的問題，所謂兩個不同層次的問題：能源配\n比跟電價政策，以及到底我們要不要撥補、追加 1,000 億預算，台灣民眾黨黨團認為這是兩個完\n全不同層次的事情，至於民進黨黨團認為這是同一件事情，我們尊重他們的看法，但我們不同\n意，我們認為這是兩個不同層次的問題，必須要切開來處理。","quality":0.976},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-09-18T11:40:15.527000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T11:40:39.660000+08:00","text":"第三個部分，剛剛院長所處理的\n事項，我們可以同意，就是剛剛你所預擬的那個協商結論，我們可以同意，我們也已經簽了字\n，如果真的沒有辦法達成共識的話，那接下來就由院長訂一個時間來召開談話會，我們再各自\n依照各自的主張、立場在談話會處理，以上。","quality":0.152},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-09-18T11:40:39.660000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:40:54.792000+08:00","text":"各位黨團幹部，請大家稍微沉靜一下，我還是一樣把今天協商結論的兩個重點跟大家報告，\n請大家務必心平氣和聽聽看。","quality":0.959},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-09-18T11:40:56.333000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:41:08.029000+08:00","text":"現在國民黨黨團、台灣民眾黨黨團都已經簽了，但民進黨還沒有\n協 13\n簽，現在我把這個協商結論再唸一遍，如果民進黨堅持的話，那我們就宣布今天朝野協商破裂\n。","quality":0.754},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-09-18T11:41:08.850000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:41:12.152000+08:00","text":"我再唸一遍，希望民進黨再仔細傾聽一下，聽一下。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-09-18T11:41:12.152000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T11:41:23.600000+08:00","text":"一、各黨團 9 月 20 日（星期五）舉行第\n11屆第 2會期第 1次會議（開議日）。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-09-18T11:41:23.600000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T11:41:35.048000+08:00","text":"本會期自 9月 20日（星期五）起，每周五及次周二視為\n一次院會，國是論壇及臨時提案依往例處理（周五上午 9 時至 10 時為國是論壇時間。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-09-18T11:41:35.048000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:41:39.591000+08:00","text":"周二下午\n5時至 6時處理臨時提案，質詢期間，周二下午 1時 50分至 2時 30分處理臨時提案）。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-09-18T11:41:40.452000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:41:46.076000+08:00","text":"第 1次\n會議議事日程以草案逕送院會處理。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-09-18T11:41:46.897000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:42:03.150000+08:00","text":"有關 23 日（星期一）加開院會處理相關專案報告事宜，併\n同第 1次會議議程草案，依黨團提出進行處理。","quality":0.974},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-09-18T11:42:05.652000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:42:57.261000+08:00","text":"二、9月 20日（星期五）上午 10時開會，進行\n相關議程，並邀請行政院院長率同各部會首長列席進行施政報告並備質詢，報告後隨即進行政\n黨質詢，當天質詢人數由國民黨黨團推派 3 位、民進黨黨團推派 3 位、台灣民眾黨黨團推派 1\n位進行，質詢順序依國民黨黨團、台灣民眾黨黨團、民進黨黨團之順序輪流交叉方式進行，有\n關質詢期間之順序及人數，均依例授權議事處辦理；當次會議不處理臨時提案，並不進行國事\n論壇。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-09-18T11:42:57.261000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:43:00.683000+08:00","text":"好，吳思瑤委員請最後一次發言。","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T11:43:00.903000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:43:15.653000+08:00","text":"院長，我們的建議都沒有被落在文字中，927 就第 2 次會來進行總預算詢答，對啊！","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T11:43:15.853000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:43:22.619000+08:00","text":"第 2 次會，因為總預算的詢答就是要朝野協商來處理嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T11:43:22.619000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T11:43:26.095000+08:00","text":"不用大家都在這裡……這個我要強烈\n表達，我永遠……我們黨團在這裡，然後我們的意見都沒有辦法被聽見嗎？","quality":0.19},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T11:43:26.095000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T11:43:29.571000+08:00","text":"沒有辦法被採納嗎\n？","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T11:43:29.571000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:43:31.132000+08:00","text":"這件事情我也不要為難議事人員，現在是兩黨有反對 927 進行總預算詢答嗎？","quality":0.433},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T11:43:31.132000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T11:43:42.231000+08:00","text":"應該沒有嘛，\n應該也都希望進行嘛！","quality":0.286},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T11:43:42.231000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T11:43:53.330000+08:00","text":"如果這樣的話，為什麼不落在第三點的結論上呢？","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T11:43:53.330000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T11:44:04.429000+08:00","text":"或者是來說明一下，\n因為要解決我們的訴求沒有被正視的這件事情，要請院長來回映我們。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-09-18T11:44:04.429000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:44:07.992000+08:00","text":"謝謝吳思瑤委員發言，我們請高處長再補充一下、再說明一下。","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"高處長百祥","start":"2024-09-18T11:44:07.992000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T11:44:12.968556+08:00","text":"跟各位黨鞭說明，因為我們今天是針對開議日來作協商，而協商也有剛剛的初步結論\n。","quality":0},{"speaker":"高處長百祥","start":"2024-09-18T11:44:12.968556+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T11:44:17.945111+08:00","text":"至於方才大家所提的加開院會處理專案報告或是相關預算案的訂期在什麼時候，它並沒有在\n今天協商的議程當中，但是大家可以提出來……","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T11:44:17.945111+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T11:44:22.921667+08:00","text":"可是別人的可以落在文字裡，為什麼我的不能落在文字裡？","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T11:44:22.921667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T11:44:27.898222+08:00","text":"我提出了啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"高處長百祥","start":"2024-09-18T11:44:27.898222+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T11:44:32.874778+08:00","text":"如果大家願意加就加，因為協商是大家的共識啦！是啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"高處長百祥","start":"2024-09-18T11:44:32.874778+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T11:44:37.851333+08:00","text":"要看大家有沒有想要今天就繼續討論預算案，還是說另外再擇期？","quality":0},{"speaker":"高處長百祥","start":"2024-09-18T11:44:37.851333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T11:44:42.827889+08:00","text":"就是問問大家的意\n思。","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T11:44:42.827889+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T11:44:47.804444+08:00","text":"所以我就是正在問問大家的意思，對於 927來進行總預算，大家如果都同意，那就落\n在文字上也沒有問題，就省了院長再召集一次協商。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-09-18T11:44:47.804444+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T11:44:52.781000+08:00","text":"OK，那我再徵詢一下。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-09-18T11:44:52.781000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:44:59.586000+08:00","text":"針對吳思瑤幹事長的發言，我再徵詢一下國民黨跟台灣民眾黨的意\n見，針對 927審查預算案，大家有沒有寶貴意見？","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2024-09-18T11:45:00.627000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:45:19.100000+08:00","text":"院長，我想今天就是討論開議日，我們在第一點的後段文字裡面……如果說民進黨團\n的期待是希望 27 號要處理預算案的專案報告，我們認為你可以在今天的協商結論第二點按照議\n事程序來走嘛！","quality":0.756},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2024-09-18T11:45:19.100000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T11:45:20.100000+08:00","text":"你怎麼又說你今天要加第三點，這個又亂掉了！","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2024-09-18T11:45:20.100000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T11:45:21.100000+08:00","text":"我們認為所謂預算案的專案報\n協 14\n告不在今天的討論範圍內。","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T11:45:20.768000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:45:23.870000+08:00","text":"預算案不是專案報告，總預算的詢答不是專案報告，跟第一點最後一項的專案報告是\n完全不同的事情，這是不同的事情。","quality":0.653},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-09-18T11:45:50.783000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:45:53.063000+08:00","text":"台灣民眾黨黨團請針對 27號的部分表達意見好嗎？","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-09-18T11:45:53.063000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:45:57.424000+08:00","text":"這個不在今天協商的範圍當中。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-09-18T11:45:57.704000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:45:59.585000+08:00","text":"特別跟吳思瑤幹事長報告一下，國民黨黨團跟台灣民眾黨黨團已經表達意見，27 號這個部\n分不在討論範圍內，他們……","quality":0.761},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T11:46:00.085000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:46:00.105000+08:00","text":"那 23號在討論範圍內嗎？","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"洪委員申翰","start":"2024-09-18T11:46:25.757000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:46:26.337000+08:00","text":"23號也不在協商範圍內啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-09-18T11:46:26.337000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T11:46:27.337000+08:00","text":"你們如果不同意就不簽，沒關係。","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T11:46:26.357000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:46:35.799000+08:00","text":"協商就是大家討論，其實這個會期有三個預算案要詢答：一個是總預算，一個是台電\n追加減，一個是前瞻。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-09-18T11:46:40.471000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:46:49.681000+08:00","text":"我們完全尊重吳思瑤幹事長的發言，洪委員如果是意見一致的話，沒關係，我完全尊重吳思\n瑤幹事長的發言，請洪委員。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"洪委員申翰","start":"2024-09-18T11:46:49.681000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:46:56.428000+08:00","text":"剛剛如果大家是要說不在今天的討論範圍內，那 23 號為什麼在我們今天討論的主題\n範圍內？","quality":0.946},{"speaker":"洪委員申翰","start":"2024-09-18T11:46:56.428000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:47:00.452000+08:00","text":"如果要說不在今天的主題範圍內就不要討論的話，23 號也不在啊！","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"洪委員申翰","start":"2024-09-18T11:47:00.452000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T11:47:07.171800+08:00","text":"那是不是也不該列\n？","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員申翰","start":"2024-09-18T11:47:07.171800+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T11:47:13.891600+08:00","text":"我們就求一個邏輯的一致性嘛，民進黨團剛剛所有的發言，就是求一個邏輯的一致性。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-09-18T11:47:13.891600+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T11:47:20.611400+08:00","text":"好，洪委員，我完全尊重您的發言，就是邏輯要一致。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-09-18T11:47:20.611400+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T11:47:27.331200+08:00","text":"很抱歉，各位黨團幹部，今天我們……","quality":0.077},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-09-18T11:47:27.331200+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-09-18T11:47:34.051000+08:00","text":"等一下，院長，我有臨時動議。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-09-18T11:47:34.051000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:47:35.552000+08:00","text":"好，我先唸一下今天朝野協商的……我們現在沒有辦法達成共識，所以我們協商就不成功了\n，請各黨團明天準備開談話會，那我們現在就散會。","quality":0.339},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-09-18T11:48:26.502000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-09-18T11:50:01.174000+08:00","text":"散會（11時 47分）","quality":0.75}]},"會議時間":"2024-09-18T10:30:00+08:00","會議名稱":"立法院黨團協商（事由：研商「第11屆第2會期開議日」相關事宜。）","委員發言時間":"09:59:59 - 11:50:00"},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}