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救火車就是過不了像這種情況你覺得怎麼處理比較好"},{"start":297.26,"end":324.97,"text":"這分兩個啦就是說在那裡頭沒辦法停車的話確實是要找我們解決問題比較重要啦對 要找自然覺得應該怎麼樣可以解決這個問題像剛才特別提到的停車的問題就是停車空間要想辦法在這個附近去找停車空間嘛對啊你就是沒辦法讓我停啊各縣市各地區恐怕就是說你通通要停到我足夠的停車空間差不多都沒辦法嘛"},{"start":326.108,"end":347.897,"text":"那也是不可能的啦 其實這是整體交通政策啦還有另外一個是車輛的使用啦 對不對你停車公圈不夠讓我停 不是我不愛停我門口 騎樓不能停 因為行人路線 我也愛走我停在門口 不是停在騎樓裡面 兩台車停的六米行過不過"},{"start":352.81,"end":368.719,"text":"我覺得我是這樣建議啦 其實交通部可以研議 在我的看法可以參考當然行人路權我們一定是非常的重視但是你現在六米行 六米行要走到你家的七樓 他們說機會沒大"},{"start":374.741,"end":382.747,"text":"所以六米巷有沒有可能江東部演繹一下不然你就留一米的寬度讓你停讓行人可以走然後呢你勉強停在因為現在我說的就是我們講是務實啦理想我們當然都懂啊100%騎樓不能停100%救護車救火車要可以過100%停車空位 停車空間要夠"},{"start":405.183,"end":414.314,"text":"這個都是理想嘛那在理想的社會沒有辦法達到的時候我們務實的處理是不是交通部可以做一個研議跟思考"},{"start":418.154,"end":444.99,"text":"跟委員報告像這樣的一個也牽涉到那個那個道路空間的一個使用啦那個可能更多是 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一) 委員林俊憲等23 人擬具「公路法第二十七條、第二十八條及第七十五條條文修正草案」、\n(二)委員陳冠廷等18人、(三)委員徐富癸等17人分別擬具「公路法第三十二條條文修正草案」、\n(四)委員陳冠廷等16人擬具「公路法第三十三條條文修正草案」、(五)台灣民眾黨黨團、(六)委\n員馬文君等19 人、( 七) 委員邱若華等17 人分別擬具「公路法第三十九條之一條文修正草案」、\n(八)委員何欣純等18人擬具「公路法第四十六條及第六十條之一條文修正草案」、(九)委員王義\n川等16人擬具「公路法第六十五條條文修正草案」及(十)委員林俊憲等21人擬具「公路法第七十\n二條條文修正草案」案；三、審查 ( 一 ) 委員林俊憲等 22 人擬具「停車場法第四條條文修正草\n案」、(二)委員廖先翔等17人擬具「停車場法第三十二條條文修正草案」及(三)台灣民眾黨黨團\n擬具「停車場法第三十八條條文修正草案」案。【本日會議僅針對開會事由二及三進行合併詢\n答】","agenda_id":"1144802_00001"}}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}