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決定 退為程序委員會重新提出第36案 決定 定期舉行會議 邀請省紀長列席報告省而經過並備諮詢第52案 決定 遭案通過第53至63案 為財政委員會等所提示報告案"},{"start":5501.357,"end":5511.707,"text":"第64至68案為行政院含送本院委員提案之原處行刑執行事項夾行政院答覆部分事實件以本院委員執行部分兩件"},{"start":5515.778,"end":5533.809,"text":"討論事項第一至六案均決議交互黨團協商行政院院長施政報告並答覆質詢決定下次會議繼續進行施政報告之質詢其他事項一113年9月18日朝野黨團協商結論兩項二臺灣民眾黨黨團提出權宜問題暫不處理列入公報紀錄三本次會議四字程針對討論事項照臺灣民眾黨黨團民眾"},{"start":5544.815,"end":5571.825,"text":"民進黨黨團及國民黨黨團提議通過另依9月18日協商結論9月20日星期五及翌日星期二邀請行政院院長等內席進行施政報告並被質詢其餘均到原本已一層查案通過宣讀完畢會議委員會針對第二會期第一次會議事錄並無委員或黨團提出錯誤或遺漏之處我們做以下之決定"},{"start":5572.557,"end":5578.639,"text":"第2會期第一次會議意思錄．確定．請宣讀第二案第二 有無異．無異通過下一案"},{"start":5591.974,"end":5602.117,"text":"第三案 本院委員翁曉琳的23人離聚 憲法訴訟法第30條及第43條條文修正常請選一案 程序委員會間 您請問會將司法及法治委員會審查 宣讀完畢報言會報告事項第三項 現有國民黨黨團提議禁服二讀並由國民黨黨團負責召集協商 請問院會有異議沒有異議本案禁服二讀並由國民黨黨團負責召集協商下案"},{"start":5619.554,"end":5645.434,"text":"第4案本院委員吳曉琳的25人離去國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第16條條文修正草案清水案陳修委員會見你請問交互司法及法規交通兩委員會審查宣讀完畢報告委員會報告事項第4案現有國民黨團體禁服二讀與相關提案並案協商請問院會有無異議沒有異議我們本案禁服二讀與相關提案並案協商下一案"},{"start":5645.987,"end":5667.428,"text":"第5案 本院委員葛如君等21人離聚 自動安全管理法修正草原情勢一案 柴旭委員會見理情委會交交通委員會審查 宣讀完畢第6案 本院委員黃建豪等19人離聚 定性管理法第5條第8條及第79條條務修正草原情勢一案 柴旭委員會見理情委會交交通委員會審查 宣讀完畢"},{"start":5668.829,"end":5687.34,"text":"第7案 本院委員杭建豪的20人離聚 學校公餐法草案請審議案 柴旭委員會見 立行委員會交 教育界文化委員會審查 宣讀完畢第8案 本院委員呂玉玲等16人離聚 就業保險法第30條條文修正常請審議案 柴旭委員會見 立行委員會交 社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 宣讀完畢"},{"start":5690.402,"end":5711.156,"text":"第9案 本院委員呂玉玲等16人離聚﹐客家語言發展法草案清水一案﹐程序委員會見﹐立行委員會交內政委員會審查 宣讀完畢第10案 本院委員蘇清璇的20人離聚﹐地方制度法第33條條務修正草案清水一案﹐程序委員會見﹐立行委員會交內政司法及法治兩委員會審查 宣讀完畢"},{"start":5711.676,"end":5713.177,"text":"無異通過下議案無異通過下議案"},{"start":5727.827,"end":5750.296,"text":"第12案 本院委員邱振俊的21人理據 教育經費編列與管理法第3條條文修正草案請審議案 程序委員會見 立行會教究及文化委員會審查 宣讀完畢第13案 本院委員邱振俊的19人理據 國土計畫法第45條條文修正草案請審議案 程序委員會見 立行會教內政委員會審查 宣讀完畢"},{"start":5751.556,"end":5775.115,"text":"第14案 本院委員賴世寶的二十五人離聚 加水刑及非加水刑頁稅法第十三條條文修憲草原侵水案 程序委員會見立行會交財政委員會審查 宣布完畢無異通過下議案第15案 本院委員賴世寶的二十五人離聚 證券交易稅條例第二條需二及第十二條條文修憲草原侵水案 程序委員會見立行會交財政委員會審查 宣布完畢無異通過下議案"},{"start":5775.515,"end":5793.543,"text":"第16案本會議委員賴世寶的二十六人理據 洪水條例第十二條條文修正草原情緒一案 程序委員會間已經會交財政委員會審查 宣讀完畢第17案本會議委員賴世寶的二十四人理據 預算法第六十三條條文修正草原情緒一案 程序委員會間已經會交財政委員會審查 宣讀完畢"},{"start":5796.724,"end":5817.049,"text":"第18案 本院委員賴世寶的23人離聚 毒品危害防治條例增添第2條13條文草案請審議案 程序委員會見立行會交司法及法治委員會審查 宣讀完畢第19案 本院委員賴世寶的25人離聚 就業保險法部分條文修正草案請審議案 程序委員會見立行會交社會福利協會上環境委員會審查 宣讀完畢"},{"start":5819.85,"end":5839.063,"text":"第20案本院委員賴世寶的23人離聚就業服務法第46條條無修正財運請水一案陳秀園會見你請回交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 宣讀完畢第21案本院委員賴世寶的21人離聚土地稅法第54條條無修正財運請水一案陳秀園會見你請回交財政委員會審查 宣讀完畢"},{"start":5843.126,"end":5867.528,"text":"第22案 本院委員賴世寶的21人離聚 政堂法第11條之一及第39條條文修正草原情緒一案 強行委員會見 立行會交內政司法及法制 兩委員會審查 宣讀完畢第23案 本院委員賴世寶的24人離聚 使用牌照稅法第29條第30條及第31條條文修正草原情緒一案 強行委員會見 立行會交財政委員會審查 宣讀完畢"},{"start":5868.769,"end":5889.578,"text":"第24案 本院委員賴世寶等27人離聚 因久稅罰第19條及第21條條文修正草原侵水案 陳秀媛會見 立行會交財政委員會審查 宣傳完畢第25案 本院委員洪孟凱等19人離聚 相反法部分條文修正草原侵水案 陳秀媛會見 立行會交內政委員會審查 宣傳完畢"},{"start":5890.979,"end":5912.931,"text":"第26案 本院委員蘇曉慧等30人離聚 癌症防治法修正草原情緒一案 程序委員會見 您請回交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 宣讀完畢無異通過下一案第27案 本院委員蔡其昌等18人離聚 婚姻稅條第12條條文修正草原情緒一案 程序委員會見您請回交財政委員會審查 宣讀完畢無異通過下一案"},{"start":5913.191,"end":5913.351,"text":"委員．第28委員．第29委員．第29委員．"},{"start":5935.569,"end":5961.72,"text":"第30案本院委員蔡其昌等17人離聚中華民國刑法第212條及第216條條文修正草案請選一案陳秀燕會見逆行匯交司法及法治委員會審查 宣布完畢第31案本院委員蔡其昌等17人離聚國營臺灣鐵路股份有限公司順勢條例第4條及第23條條文修正草案請選一案陳秀燕會見逆行匯交司法及法治兩委員會審查 宣布完畢"},{"start":5963.041,"end":5986.268,"text":"第32案本院委員中加病等19人離聚一條法第84條條文修正草原侵水案陳秀妍會見立行回交社會福利優勝環境委員會審查 宣布完畢第33案本院委員中加病等19人離聚道路交通管理處罰條例第12條基地12條之一條文修正草原侵水案陳秀妍會見立行回交交通委員會審查 宣布完畢"},{"start":5987.768,"end":6010.138,"text":"第34案 本院委員鍾嘉斌的19人離聚 中華民國刑法第212條條務修正草原請選一案 程序委員會見 理情會交 司法及法局委員會審查 宣布完畢第35案 本院委員鍾嘉斌的20人離聚 六度司法檢查條例修正草原請選一案 程序委員會見 理情會交 司法及法局內政 兩委員會審查 宣布完畢"},{"start":6011.539,"end":6035.372,"text":"第36案 本院委員中嘉賓的20人離聚 中華民國新法第222條及第227條條文修正草原清水案 程序委員會見 立行會交司法企劃支援會審查 宣讀完畢第37案 本院委員中嘉賓的21人離聚 定性管理法第5條第9條及第79條條文修正草原清水案 程序委員會見 立行會交交通委員會審查 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駐印尼台北經濟貿易代表處與駐台北印尼經濟貿易代表處標準化及符合性 平靜的領域合作瞭解邊網路中文本 印尼文本及英文本 約盤引本陳書仁會見 理行會交經濟外交及國防兩位委員會 宣讀完畢無疑通過 下一案"},{"start":6660.859,"end":6661.68,"text":"委員通過下議案"},{"start":6677.933,"end":6706.722,"text":"第86案 農業部函送該部與亞洲蔬菜研究發展中心﹐亞洲世界蔬菜中心簽訂﹐蔬菜研究與發展瞭解兵網路﹐中英文版本銀本傳輸委員會建立行會交經濟外交及國防兩位委員會﹐宣讀完畢第87案 農業部函送臺灣農業部與英國環境食品與鄉村事務部﹐有基因產品項目承認瞭解兵網路﹐英文約本及中英本傳輸委員會建立行會交經濟外交及國防兩位委員會﹐宣讀完畢"},{"start":6708.102,"end":6735.312,"text":"第88案 外交部函送中華民國臺灣政府與馬上尋討共和國政府交易合作瞭解編網路我方淪陷中文及英文約本陳秀妍會見 理行會加護交際國防委員會 宣布完畢第89案 法務部函送我國與帛琉共和國完成簽署之中華民國臺灣政府與帛琉共和國政府法益合作瞭解編網路中英文約本一本陳秀妍會見 理行會加護司法及法治外交及國防聯會委員會"},{"start":6736.292,"end":6762.072,"text":"宣讀完畢第92 考試院行為廢止 特種考試 交通事業 人員考試規則 程序委員會見 立行會教 司法啟發支援委員會宣讀完畢第91案 考試院行為修正 專門職業及技術人員高等考試 醫師 洋醫師 中醫師 藥師考試 分階段考試規則 第12條的文集 第6條 副表1 第7條 副表3 程序委員會見 立行會教 司法啟發支援委員會宣讀完畢"},{"start":6763.453,"end":6791.687,"text":"第92案 考試院航文修正 考試院考選獎狀 頒給辦法第6條條文及第7條附表3 財修委員會見例行會交司法及法律委員會 宣讀完畢無異通過下一案第93案 考試院航文修正 警察官職務等監表 甲中央警察消防海洋委員會及海岸局防軍官學校職務等監表之21 海洋委員會海巡署 並說自112年10月26日生效 財修委員會見例行會交司法及法律委員會 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台中也在爭取那不知道院長知不知道這個計畫我知道教育部有一個優化全民運動與賽事會的環境的計畫那是不是請部長來說明一下計畫的內容"},{"start":7561.65,"end":7577.924,"text":"謝謝委員關心臺灣的體育發展特別在自由車裡邊確實我們體育部是有優化全民運動跟賽會環境計畫也編列了6億元的經費部長這個我知道我的意思是說這個計畫"},{"start":7579.977,"end":7582.519,"text":"本席一直在爭取臺中清水這個地方"},{"start":7610.478,"end":7612.2,"text":"這本席已經講很久了,希望部長要特別關注一下"},{"start":7630.56,"end":7643.492,"text":"好謝謝委員我們體育署阿跟台中市政府有一個計畫在進行我知道請教一部未來這個計畫的進度或是達到一樣的一個建展的時候要跟委員一起來參與要邀請委員一起來參與討論以及他整個建構的過程謝謝委員"},{"start":7647.955,"end":7675.711,"text":"時間的關係陳部長也上來了我想本席在乎的三件事情第一個捷運局限一定要延伸到清水這個差三公里沒有道理不到清水街上這個是本席一再強調的台中市理部長的時代也跟市政府溝通了本席希望市政府說留一個尾巴不是表示要延伸到清水本席希望的是可言中央已經通過"},{"start":7676.852,"end":7697.171,"text":"交通部你們負責本席爭取 過去李部長也答應本席剩下3公里的可言 那個大概1000萬左右的可言預算那個交通部來補助台中市政府 那就看市長做不做這個可言可以延續李部長的想法"},{"start":7699.205,"end":7717.635,"text":"報告委員這個部分因為你的指示那當然之前臺中市的捷運只有到清水的山上到機場那邊而已那只差三公里沒有到市區確實是很可惜所以在10月2號我們也交通部會邀集這個臺中市政府大家來演商說後面這一段的延伸的可言"},{"start":7718.215,"end":7747.155,"text":"但是因為主管單位是地方政府要由他們來提出來那只要他們願意提出來這個可言後面的這一段交通部在經費上會來協助所以本席爭取這個預算給台中市政府如果台中市政府再不做的話這個就太可惡了這個部分要由台中市政府來主動提出對當然那我就講我先因為李部長實在已經答應了他說一千萬左右的預算中央來支付但市政府要同意下去進行可言所以我們中央都幫他做好了"},{"start":7747.515,"end":7772.985,"text":"我就等著市政府到底要不要做好不好那另外就是藍線的部分過去陳建忍院長時代也承諾要配合捷運藍線最後一站那個港務大樓要整體做興建這個事情我也希望陳部長跟院長都知道然後要督促港務公司到底他的進程到底是什麼時間要趕快列出來給本席"},{"start":7774.402,"end":7802.915,"text":"目前正在可言的階段這部分也會會及委員辦公室的一些意見沒有問題我們在交通委員會可以再討論我只是提醒因為院長也剛上任第三個就是海線鐵路的這個雙軌化我希望這個當然這裡面也涉及到市政府但我還是目標沒有改變我希望在賴總統這一任的任內也就是未來的四年內一定要讓他動工好不好雙軌化的部分在這個任期內應該沒有問題我只是因為兩位都"},{"start":7804.048,"end":7827.423,"text":"新上任我還沒有提過這個特別在今天總質詢的時間特別再交代一下另外有一個事情我也請法務部跟金管會部長跟主委也都上來院長我大概跟你解釋一下我希望行政院出面可以來解決現在人民苦不堪言我解釋給院長聽"},{"start":7828.997,"end":7855.143,"text":"這個A先生他匯錯款A先生匯款匯不到人匯錯款匯給B匯錯款匯給B所以呢A先生就只能跟A銀行講說不好意思我匯不到匯錯款了那這時候A銀行如果匯款的B是同一個銀行所以銀行就會通知B說有人匯錯款給你請你把錢匯出來"},{"start":7857.663,"end":7876.881,"text":"這個B啊 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大家團結在一起為馬祖地區如果委員認為合適 我也願意到馬祖再去走一趟看看大家真正的地方的反應是如何是是是 好不好另外一個就是了掉重產馬祖大橋我想我跟院長提過好幾次了馬祖大橋的興建在107年12月10號由我們現任總統也是前行政院院長賴清德先生同意"},{"start":8556.859,"end":8585.388,"text":"連江縣南北跨海大橋可行性的評估案 辦理綜合規劃我們的公路總局也花了一億五千萬去做了綜合規劃這個綜合規劃做出來以後經過我們世西 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顧部長顧部長能不能請您上台一下好不好"},{"start":9133.615,"end":9146.566,"text":"最近這幾天北竿的民眾從鄉長鄉在村長我電話至少接了100多通什麼事呢北竿靶場的事情北竿靶場我講了幾年了我講了7年了"},{"start":9148.883,"end":9173.723,"text":"那麼顧部長到馬祖去的時候我還不知道我後來聽說他來了我匆匆忙忙跑到機場去給他送行顧部長對不起啊這個不知道您大人歷歷馬祖啊我沒有跟你做接待沒有跟你做接待我到機場跟你會個面這個靶場在我們的堂崎淡黃區也就是現在的東區跟西門町的這個比喻"},{"start":9175.285,"end":9204.221,"text":"旁邊是小學、中學、醫院、運動場他不是打槍喔不是射擊不是光步槍射擊喔機關槍在那邊ㄉㄧㄤㄉㄧㄤㄉㄧㄤㄉㄧㄤㄉㄧㄤㄉㄧㄤ的然後他又沒有時間的問題喔部隊他不會通知你啊他可能隨時啊打籃球打到一半了突然發生放鞭炮了不知道什麼事齁這個對我們周邊的噪音也好居民的安全也好大大造成問題"},{"start":9205.202,"end":9232.599,"text":"我講了七年了好 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顧部長因為這裡面牽扯到軍備局再請國防部顧部長備選院長你知道國防部軍備局跟財政部的國產署占領我們馬祖的土地占比是多少你知道嗎馬祖的"},{"start":9748.974,"end":9764.207,"text":"跟委員報告在馬祖地區已經登記的有2500多公頃那國有的部分事實上佔了88%所以國有的部分包含國防部也包含國產署金管大概佔了百分之八成院長你聽到了沒有國產署軍備局"},{"start":9768.86,"end":9797.398,"text":"占領我們全馬組88%的土地院長你如果是林鄉縣縣長你對這個縣你準備怎麼規劃我們只有12%的土地在玩喔委員一定清楚這一定是有它的歷史的因素歷史你講的歷史更好暫地政務以前是阿兵哥阿兵哥以前根本都沒有人管的那個地方"},{"start":9799.02,"end":9826.548,"text":"我們跟大陸那邊魚換來換去交易那個袁大頭換來換去都沒事的現在管得可緊了金門發生牛疫馬祖這邊豬肉也管制我們養一隻土雞生幾個雞蛋出來還要經過檢查我們已經是次等公民了已經是次等公民了你說為了國人的安全我請問馬祖人是不是國人金門人是不是國人"},{"start":9827.435,"end":9828.575,"text":"現在國產組我還是麻辣"},{"start":9851.653,"end":9881.153,"text":"真的比強盜土匪還凶悍土地的一個情況您也很清楚第一個在辦理總登記的時候民眾如果認為是私有的他可以申請登記部長你如果有空的話我去拜訪你好不好我來拜會委員請你接見我一下好不好我來拜會委員我想請你接見我一下好不好時間可以的話我就來拜會委員因為時間的關係好不好那個部長 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狀態不是臨時提出來的他在民間已經倡議3年了"},{"start":10535.054,"end":10561.572,"text":"所以普及民間、廣獲共鳴你現在去Google大概有超過10萬筆的壯世代的文章在討論在這一期的商業週刊以壯世代做封面35頁報導那你可以看到這一個在民間是如何而且他談的是企業對於企業看到的這一方面的公司也請部會能夠好好的"},{"start":10562.008,"end":10562.849,"text":"養養灑灑數萬字竟然沒有提到這五個字超高齡社會"},{"start":10579.744,"end":10592.262,"text":"我有點嚇到 你知道嗎 我就 院長我 院長你是忘了嗎 你的承諾嗎你心中沒有超高齡社會嗎但是我寧願相信 院長你最近真的是太累了"},{"start":10592.915,"end":10610.206,"text":"我們已經在進行中的事情我沒有把它特別強調這點抱歉那當然啦這個我基本上是體諒你啦覺得你是太累了分心太多啦但是這件事情還是這就是裡面提到的因為大家都動起來的萬鈞敘事待發"},{"start":10615.376,"end":10638.941,"text":"然後行政院有決心嗎?大家突然有一點有院長你的一言興邦有時候一言悔邦這一個大家等待你這一個在這個跨部會小組在陳政委的領導下召開了三次會議主動的從6個部會擴充到13個部會"},{"start":10643.227,"end":10660.318,"text":"這是主動 這不是委員的要求是他們在探討過程當中會發現真的是很多部位跟高聯化都有關也提出了64項的計畫這個項目大概就看到這個聲勢壯大但是仔細一看以後發現"},{"start":10666.926,"end":10688.863,"text":"這都是匯編的現行措施沒有策略引導沒有未來性沒有前瞻性感覺就是敷衍了事另外我們也詢問了各個部會有關壯世代這13個部會有關壯世代編類預算的情況根據他們的回覆"},{"start":10696.416,"end":10720.057,"text":"幾乎都有5個部會掛零 兩個部會是零頭勞動部沒有公務預算 另外找一些基金衛福部都是在做一些文康志工 也都是湊數性的讓我們真的是滿腔熱血 突然被潑了冷血 不過剛書發布"},{"start":10721.254,"end":10722.374,"text":"臺灣一半人口超過50歲 三問院長"},{"start":10750.888,"end":10751.748,"text":"院長你覺得"},{"start":10773.456,"end":10788.823,"text":"報告委員我們國家的政策國發會長期以來都有相當整密的規劃甚至他們也定期的或是不定期的會發表很多對國家政策的過去的分析未來的預判目前這個工作也正在進行當中"},{"start":10789.663,"end":10801.686,"text":"我知道國發會很努力,但是他們提的東西你們都不看啊,各部會都不看啊各部會呈現出來的邊類,像教育部、終身教育師預算,針對60歲以上的教育預算,佔教育部的0.2%基本上各部會幾乎都是1%以下"},{"start":10815.543,"end":10815.923,"text":"委員長施政報告"},{"start":10831.041,"end":10850.557,"text":"不過請委員能夠關心因為我們剛剛因為由您的一邊督促陳時中政委是非常快速的行動未來他會在我們社會福利推動委員會當中也會定期的將這個議題納為報告的重點那各部會也有他可以雲芝的這個預算跟費用我認為在"},{"start":10852.185,"end":10869.107,"text":"所謂定一層重視在相關的過程當中政府不會去忽略了遺漏了這一塊那以後還要請委員我們繼續來讀是不是執行的能夠到位這個各部位因為主動都站出來各部位有誠意但是我們現在欠缺的是什麼"},{"start":10872.05,"end":10888.146,"text":"我可以補充事實上我們今年14年教育部在這個中生學習這一塊我們事實上經會我特別因為委員關心這個壯世代我覺得那也確實在整個學習人生的一個國化裡邊"},{"start":10888.911,"end":10906.544,"text":"所以我特別增加了2點多億也就是說我們從這個原來的經費增加到將近5億的這樣一個經費所以這個整個所佔的一個比例教育部的經費也有超過1點多%我看好像主計處的資料這個在我們的稅基上面壯士代的貢獻是佔了55%"},{"start":10916.041,"end":10918.883,"text":"第二問 院長這不是老人的問題這是年輕人的問題年輕世代大家都在談扶養比"},{"start":10936.561,"end":10936.581,"text":"復陽筆"},{"start":10948.639,"end":10968.454,"text":"越來越小對不對目前是4比1委員我時間暫停一下好不好對不起那個備詢的部長你看問哪一位就在那邊其他的部長就請回好不好因為這樣子這個畫面等一下我要請你們出來跟我喊口號好不好請各位部長先回院長請留下來問哪一位我們的大家長對不起我覺得這樣會比較好一點抱歉抱歉委員對不起請繼續好"},{"start":10977.116,"end":10995.205,"text":"目前是4比1啦 4個扶養1個到2040年是2比1啦到2057年就1比1啦 台就分子代分母啦我要請問院長對這個會壓垮下一代的扶養品國家希望工程有解方嗎"},{"start":10996.943,"end":10996.963,"text":"王國興議員"},{"start":11010.967,"end":11026.213,"text":"高齡的照顧上面我們會持續推動長照3.0來增加年輕人在對高齡長輩的一個負擔那我們會做更多的家庭投資來投資給這個年輕的家庭讓他們能夠從減輕負擔開始"},{"start":11028.956,"end":11040.186,"text":"能夠比較成長自己的撫養的這個能力這個就是在過程當中這個事情沒有一個社會有辦法去照顧一半的人口都從照顧撫養撫養撫養撫養撫養撫養撫養撫養撫養撫養撫養撫養撫養撫養撫養撫養撫養撫養撫養撫養撫養撫養撫養撫養撫養撫養撫養撫養撫養撫養撫養撫養撫養撫養撫養撫養撫養撫養撫養撫養撫養撫養撫養撫養撫養�"},{"start":11057.16,"end":11074.7,"text":"這些人不是我們所想像的都是躺在那邊靠撫養的靠社會福利的他們事實上可以生產者消費者繼續成為一個社會的貢獻者現在戰後嬰兒草全部進入60歲了戰後嬰兒草有三個特質"},{"start":11076.755,"end":11087.262,"text":"高壽、高智能、高資產這些是社會上非常有用的人我們現在就把他打到社會的邊緣去了讓他任由他們臥床躺平"},{"start":11087.981,"end":11114.145,"text":"然後再來大量的這樣子的老人之後再用社福去救濟這不是一個很愚蠢的方法嗎所以我一直有一個講法就是讓我們的高齡者健康多一天會好過我們對他的照顧多一點所以在衛福部勞動部他們有一個途徑喔包括這些壯士代跟高齡者的學習就業投資文化文康觀光等等甚至志願"},{"start":11115.086,"end":11128.569,"text":"服務做志工讓他再進到社會這個他都有途徑其實呢我們換個角度你從引髮思維的角度就是照顧但是呢如果你從壯志的思維你會發現這群人太有用了"},{"start":11129.124,"end":11129.464,"text":"三問院長"},{"start":11158.717,"end":11177.382,"text":"我們現在的社福預算已經超過了8300億了現在呢 花了這些錢可以解決我們的人口國安危機嗎還是這些錢有辦法承諾 如果花了這些錢就有效 那我們當然值得花嘛 有效嗎 會嗎 會解決嗎"},{"start":11179.346,"end":11199.012,"text":"委員應該清楚人口的危機不會是一年兩年就可以解決的但至少我們現在有一個方向我們如何先維持現在的出生率能夠把它維持住再想盡各種有效的途徑讓把它提高所以我們用更多的剛剛說的社會投資從0到2歲2到6歲之後的義務教育"},{"start":11203.213,"end":11223.894,"text":"國中到大學一路上0到22歲國家跟著大家一起養的這種觀念希望鼓勵大家這一個是一個全面性的問題這一個也不是靠幾個救濟性的措施能夠解決的問題這既然是國安危機這麼容易解決就不叫國安危機了"},{"start":11225.435,"end":11252.642,"text":"所以最終源自於我們失衡的高齡政策我們現在只有單軌式的照顧性政策而沒有發展性政策那這個8300億也只能照顧15%就是這些已經越來越失能越來越需要照顧的但是任由85% 800萬的人像土石油一樣的因為隨著他們年紀越來越大未來都是高齡者一定越來越多"},{"start":11253.578,"end":11281.866,"text":"那這高齡者如果越來越多你有多少的錢可以來用照護措施來解決這問題嗎一定無解的嘛所以我們要避免的是讓這些避免這些人像土石流一樣的高齡社會來臨嘛一定要佔人口的總數一定會越來越多但是我們的比例一定不能讓它增加對不對我們佔就是需要照護的比例那如何做到當然一定是要發展性政策嘛雙軌並行我們現在只有單軌"},{"start":11283.308,"end":11289.554,"text":"這兩個必須為什麼他有所不同學理不同目標不同不能混為一談混為一談就是沒有解方嘛OK 下來這個院長你也看到了大家"},{"start":11310.151,"end":11310.591,"text":"主席"},{"start":11340.694,"end":11361.827,"text":"我的頭在我的對面就是你就是你你知道你非常的重要我們現在來看日本怎麼做日本在1995年就有高齡社會對策基本法30年前欸人家30年前就有這個我們看他的第15條在內閣府要設立高齡社會對策會議"},{"start":11364.805,"end":11367.97,"text":"第16條 會長有內閣總理大臣擔任 就是我們的行政院長"},{"start":11372.488,"end":11396.479,"text":"當然不是只有這樣的單人 也不是一個會議 它底下要幹事 要很多的管考KPI預算期程不能只是靠現在用秘書會編各部會 然後在局限你現行的組織框架政策工具法令還有缺乏的訓練的情況之下來會編這是沒辦法去扛起這個大責的 院長你認同嗎"},{"start":11398.494,"end":11423.252,"text":"不僅認同我們也是朝這個方向我們有社會福利推動委員會那也是由院長來召集的雖然不是跟日本這樣一個單一的訴求我們一定會把那個議題啊剛剛陳時中政委所努力過的這種過程放在裡面我覺得有誠意沒有決心決心要做就要做到底其實也不用效法日本我們自己行政院就有了只是看你重不重視這個關心問題"},{"start":11426.038,"end":11445.093,"text":"我們現在行政院這個效能做得不錯是人員跟檢探辦公室已經有這個檢探辦公室可以依照中央行政組織機關基準法第28條就可以成立這些組織編制所以現在法令由派任然後要有召集人要有副院長以上的人來擔任"},{"start":11446.034,"end":11446.714,"text":"執行長：主任：副主任：分組業務"},{"start":11468.788,"end":11484.876,"text":"這樣子這件事情﹐人口的問題涉及的13個部位都來了再看看有沒有決心而已有決心就應該要比照這樣的方式才有辦法而這個解決是未來台灣一半人口的幸福"},{"start":11485.692,"end":11511.726,"text":"跟委員報告不僅決心還有行動在社會福利推動委員會召開的19次會議當中跟委員報告17到19次這幾次裡面都有把壯世代的議題列為一個討論那是不是我們會後可以把這個討論的重點再跟委員做詳細的說明跟報告因為我知道前面的問題啦就是真的是我也看得出院長的誠意但是我們沒有找到問題的核心"},{"start":11512.446,"end":11513.688,"text":"明年1月1號開始台灣進入超高齡社會現在"},{"start":11529.639,"end":11557.498,"text":"大家在看 包括媒體 輿論 現在你可以看所有雜誌都在做搞領議題大家在等著 我們行政院竟然在這裡當中放棄了領導權沒有回應 然後阿里里啦啦叫各部位自己自行處理這樣子大家怎麼會安心呢這樣子大家怎麼會有信心呢所以呢 院長可否承諾在行政院設立專責的壯士在政策辦公室可否"},{"start":11558.591,"end":11580.843,"text":"我們沒有把它放到各部會的秘書工作我像我們陳時中政委一直在召集這樣的工作他已經到了一個院級的一個工作了但是要比照像那個檢探那個辦公室這樣的編制按照這樣的組織法來成立你那個只是交代你給他要馬兒跑但是不給他吃草"},{"start":11581.263,"end":11584.506,"text":"我會緊記剛剛委員所說的有想法還要有決心還要下去行動我跟你講我們的決心都是夠的行動或許剛開始我們在收集更完整的資料但最後我們就會收斂"},{"start":11604.826,"end":11605.087,"text":"提出幾個重點計畫"},{"start":11620.84,"end":11634.436,"text":"這是一個希望工程的問題撫養筆的問題少子化的問題社福要破產的問題ESG所有的這些的問題都跟這件事情有關各部位都有問題"},{"start":11635.905,"end":11656.998,"text":"行政院還不扛起這個責任來我們會扛起我們負擔起這個責任因為現在可以成立嗎我們在社福推動委員會當中已經有這個議題我也要經過大家在共同討論我們是不是有需要提升轉換或是強化相關的組織大家來討論之後院長你是領導我講這件事情我非常清楚了"},{"start":11657.458,"end":11657.478,"text":"委員﹚"},{"start":11676.698,"end":11678.58,"text":"社會福利委員會的思維那個就單軌你再把這個放在這個單軌底下就死路一條啦"},{"start":11699.147,"end":11727.407,"text":"保證死路一條我們已經搞太久了啦或者是我們國發會他現在已經有一個人口對策的一個相關的組織我們可以把它做內容功能的強化是不是請主委來說明一下我跟委員報告一下我剛剛跟陳政委有做討論我們認為整個人口的問題都必須被探討不是只有壯世代從年輕人要不要生小孩一路到老所以我們希望成立一個人口對策的辦公室"},{"start":11727.927,"end":11728.848,"text":"所以你的意思就是在國發會設立一個人口政策辦公室"},{"start":11751.121,"end":11777.846,"text":"跟我們報告日前我們討論過人口政策的時候大概都有這樣交換意見只是還沒有把它當作一個純熟對外發表的過程所以我說我還跟陳政委還有社福推動委員會跟國發會我們在做一個比較完整的規劃我覺得推出來不是一個空的架構空的組織他必須要精神內容跟計劃齊成這樣我們才能夠對後續的工作有十足的掌握"},{"start":11782.158,"end":11804.345,"text":"我跟院長報告現在在馬上進入超高齡社會了你今天在這裡不能做承諾沒有決心那全民都看到我們有動作我們有行動這是一個決心的問題我們是有絕對的承諾面對人口的問題壯士代是人口問題的一部分"},{"start":11805.556,"end":11828.636,"text":"對但是非常核心的一部分好嗎是的非常核心而且跟你講這跟高齡化跟少子化是一體制兩面掌握三分之的財富金管會是這樣子這些財富都鎖在這裡年輕人沒有未來變成食水經濟包括這長壽經濟是為年輕人的未來最重要的產業發展包括教育包括文化所有的層面來我們看下一頁"},{"start":11830.925,"end":11831.345,"text":"我個人也不會認為銀髮是海嘯"},{"start":11898.051,"end":11921.09,"text":"謝謝吳春城委員的質詢：也謝謝卓院長的備詢接下來我們請登記第24位林俊憲委員質詢謝謝主席本席邀請我們行政院卓院長歡迎再請卓院長備詢"},{"start":11929.192,"end":11957.373,"text":"議員好議員長好議員長辛苦了沒有沒有民生問題最重要我拿幾點來教議員探討一下好議員長你如果聽過最近這1年多來非常嚴重的一個問題駕車牌假車牌這兩個車牌一人一人駕你有沒有看得出來沒人看得出來警察也看不出來都看不出來你如果那個比較駕什麼就是說"},{"start":11958.479,"end":11973.614,"text":"第一個,交通部要求的幾點的那幾個辨識方法你把車牌拔起來放在手上你就看不到了在這裡,我們要了解,為什麼車牌在最近這幾天以來變得這麼嚴重這應該是我們要探訪的原因,以前車牌"},{"start":11980.424,"end":11999.639,"text":"一年差不多幾十件警察抓到了我講的是有被查獲的大概一年都幾十件但到今年已經變六百多件 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你給他教要求你的職業規定是什麼第二就是政府的交通工程Engineering第三就是Enforcement你第三才是處分啦我們現在第二天還沒做我們就直接去換"},{"start":12136.572,"end":12157.812,"text":"第二項是政府要做什麼呢?我們的訴訟有合法嗎?其實如果他訴訟道路啦,我們現在改革他很好喔他看道啦,他玩道喔,哇,他很好開的你如果開7、8站喔,你都沒什麼感覺結果他的訴訟你有辦法改嗎?40所以你很容易就誤觸法結果我們的訴訟規定合理嗎?"},{"start":12162.298,"end":12191.04,"text":"快速道路你只要施工數千萬隻三十那你為所在他只要十四萬隻車就行了那一把開車的人他不會覺得他會開很快你知道現在車越走越好所以他經過那個地方他擺幾個三角錐你曬過後你可能會超速四十你會被嚇到你就是為嚴重超速所以調車牌才會增加很多我不知道你們大家注意到沒有"},{"start":12192.213,"end":12197.475,"text":"委員長 上次就是你沒有簽白"},{"start":12222.844,"end":12224.185,"text":"所以假車牌很氾濫而且很容易買"},{"start":12251.599,"end":12278.104,"text":"現在我們要怎麼動記者牌賣賣你沒辦法動這你要看部會啊因為我們現在發覺這個問題之後所以我們政府當然有要求嘛你去電商買不到了你知道一般的電商啦什麼Yahoo啦、蝦皮啦你買不到了但是啊你在一個網路平台翠啦、抖音啦、臉書啦來我看幾張印章你看一下"},{"start":12278.976,"end":12279.537,"text":"現在要怎麼處理?有什麼方法?"},{"start":12296.461,"end":12318.332,"text":"報告委員一方面我們會增加他偽造的難度也就是我們明年開始我們的車牌會做新的版本把防偽的技術再更加的加強在明年度我們會來處理這是第一點那第二點針對罰則的部分我們有考慮說要把使用假車牌的罰則來提高那一方面他有罰則提高二方面其實他有刑罰這個部分"},{"start":12320.133,"end":12321.594,"text":"但是我們也要訴求一點,這要讓議員跟部長參考"},{"start":12345.424,"end":12346.024,"text":"委員長施政報告"},{"start":12366.792,"end":12393.104,"text":"在某一些路段不合理的限速但是大家經過那一段卻沒有辦法遵守的話我們應該從這個人性化的檢討第一個啦我平常在台南做的啦有幾條很容易觸法的道路啦以兩線道速限50假設合理啦以到阿扁變四線道速限也50用路的人就很容易觸法嘛所以你這個規定合理嘛"},{"start":12393.917,"end":12408.063,"text":"我意思就是說,你應該中央跟地方政府,因為有的樹線是地方政府你領的啦主管局管是哪個單位就是說你應該要調整一些不合理的啦第二就是說,你發人還是發車?因為我講你車的車手是人不對還是車不對?那有的車輛喔,可能是他,是這位人民他生活的必需品或是他做生意要行,或是他出來家庭用車"},{"start":12424.039,"end":12446.914,"text":"他要上下班啊,他要載孩子啊,要載家裡的老人啊你現在車子擺在那裡,他生活要怎麼辦?所以基本上應該是要著重在處罰人嘛你開車的人,人家的份量要多少?但是我們現在的委員長喔,很多的受理逮不下來就違規了案件啊,越來越多啊,所以你現在給人家捐給車子"},{"start":12447.967,"end":12466.159,"text":"我認為這都要紓克啦 要做一個判定好不好我一直在國際法律沒有一個法律每一個會期每一年都修改 只有一個道交條例偏向駕駛人 修來修去"},{"start":12473.7,"end":12503.173,"text":"都沒有辦法有一個完整的思考我希望我現在的部長來我們要好好地監督這個部門不應該造成不必要的民怨還是說為什麼你收到法律這個法律你改這樣有合理嗎你嚴強敲鎖你從六十八改到四十要怎麼改可以啊為什麼暗箱丟不下來沒有合理的地方在裡面你的事先你有條件你應該是政府改正的部門做好事你改法律你不準時我給你處分"},{"start":12503.851,"end":12505.392,"text":"現在因為我們每一年報表的數字現在增加四倍五倍"},{"start":12532.236,"end":12543.367,"text":"責勝 使用記者牌 抓到案件 警告10倍這絕對有一定關聯的正相關這問題跟交通有關聯 世界普通人有三件事我要向議長報告一項"},{"start":12551.531,"end":12576.828,"text":"這次我們在台南本市跟我們企駁新年的賴慧媛委員我都一直在請出請出的我也看到自己的蔡議員委員也在請出這條就是所有的台37 太保道新年要就是高鐵橋下道路各地腳踏的道路這道路 第一 一定希望政府來開票"},{"start":12580.051,"end":12604.899,"text":"前陣子你評估都說沒有那個階段沒有那個需要其實現在地方發展已經不一樣了這五六年來已經很大的變化了地方喔加科你也要創立啊跟他放在分區啊所以下去你跟人科應該形成一個科技攔戴嘛這也是印度的這個未來你要做的風雲嘛那麼新年跟台北這是附近兩個最重要的這個"},{"start":12608.112,"end":12631.149,"text":"這是程式啦 你這樣來看你看說你若是對泰婆要來信仰好 信仰要泰婆也好你目前只能招藍線跟深藍線一個是高速公路 一個是縱貫路 都要繞一大圈只有黃線 不只是這條啦 個體叫比較多 就是台山的西線"},{"start":12633.14,"end":12655.488,"text":"最快速直接就可以連結泰寶跟新營因為台南市非常長我們台南是一個長條形的它的K8尤其是大新營其實它跟嘉義反而是一個生活圈所以你應該連結這兩個地方尤其你現在如果這兩雙 你看得到嗎?各地叫到哪裡去新營的東北邊是新營港口"},{"start":12661.135,"end":12661.255,"text":"主席"},{"start":12679.964,"end":12680.124,"text":"跟委員報告"},{"start":12694.414,"end":12717.591,"text":"平估不具效益或是不可行的任何的交通建設或許現在情勢改變了我們會重新的來評估那麼剛剛委員所提到的這個臺37線從臺南嘉義這個路段先到科學園區的設置他應該有其新興的一些不瞞您說陳部長跟我講過這件事情剛剛他也很清楚的說他正在努力當中"},{"start":12720.433,"end":12749.179,"text":"那有機會啦,不然你給我做多少,拜託到院長來積極另外剩下一點時間,我要先感謝卓院長明年寬烈的治水預算因為極端氣候,這個落後,尤其這套風態,我們在南部會很恐怖但是我們台灣過去的秩序,真的好啦我想說,目前每年還有一條錢,就是前瞻預算治水的第5期"},{"start":12750.759,"end":12772.944,"text":"關於台南,台南的頭港、中軍區、集盟區、大島區、鹹水區、六地的寮、龍泥門、安順寮、新甸寮、青寮、老祖、古阿港,以及八中區的整體這部分,就像議長那樣來支持但是未來有一個比較重要的,就是巴掌市的政治,這未來進入第三期的手段"},{"start":12782.116,"end":12806.101,"text":"請議長一定要把這個博文做好事我們過去的秩序有進步八八風災啦十幾年前的八八風災啦 台南陰五萬五千公頃今年這道啦這個風災啦 凱利颱風啦比八八風災落的火更多但陰水啊 存不到存不到三百五十公頃對五萬幾到三十五啦所以這個進步很大但是還是有一些"},{"start":12807.964,"end":12811.506,"text":"希望在野黨支持明年的預算又有很多的民生預算"},{"start":12840.276,"end":12841.037,"text":"臨近縣委指詢：卓院長備詢"},{"start":21610.299,"end":21611.039,"text":"謝謝主席 我們有請卓榮泰院長麻煩請卓院長備選"},{"start":21649.315,"end":21664.992,"text":"外圍好好 院長好我想 院長其實今天要跟您討論的一些議題在上個會期時期也跟您討論過但是我們希望今天能有一些進度那在上個會期本期有跟您質詢過桃園市這個近年來的人口年增率高達1.32%"},{"start":21667.114,"end":21667.294,"text":"李卓人議員"},{"start":21685.191,"end":21708.727,"text":"只有438.18億那再度纏連纏連什麼就是六都最低所以今天我才把這問題重新再來跟院長討論一次那你看看我們桃園去創稅名列前茅但是我們的補助款全國倒數第三扣掉離島我覺得這個對我們桃園已經是非常不公平了那當然我覺得等一下我們可以再來討論這個財化法的問題但是在現在我們覺得對桃園這麼不公平的補助之下"},{"start":21716.393,"end":21736.853,"text":"中央還以現實執行非法訂設服支出為理由﹐來扣減了桃園市1億的補助款﹐這1億真的非常的多﹐而且這個數字是全國扣最多的一個數字﹐所以我想院長﹐其實我們這一次您用現實執行非法訂設服支出﹐其實我們真的要替桃園叫屈﹐"},{"start":21737.614,"end":21765.232,"text":"因為我們其實是在執行其實中央有很多的政策也許中央做得不完善或者中央做不到但是地方政府來協助來做但是我們不了解為什麼這樣子還要遭到扣除我們的補助款這是一個我想我們不能接受那同時我想其實各縣市都一樣我們不管人口結構需求的差異或者是這個政策目標不同但是我們根據地方制度法或者是才化法我們這個地方政府的社會福利的業務我們是可以"},{"start":21766.334,"end":21770.862,"text":"自行根據因地制宜差異化提出來的以上我講的院長認同嗎"},{"start":21772.403,"end":21776.486,"text":"我們來談看看桃園市有沒有違反或是不是遵守的那我想院長請教您一下您同不同意少子化是國安問題"},{"start":21796.778,"end":21816.201,"text":"當然同意,而且非常的嚴重那既然是國安問題,就是中央跟地方必須要一起來解決的但我們看這幾年,其實中央做的成果並不好我不是說中央沒有做,而是其實這個成果我們可以看得到從數字上看起來,其實人口也呈現負成長那目前這個生不如死的狀況,我想院長有掌握著嘛"},{"start":21816.661,"end":21833.102,"text":"那所以你看我們地方政府也為了要協助中央或者是我們自己的縣市去解決那我們包括這個提高生育率的這個協助國安解決問題的策略其實非常多我想我唸給你聽有幾個我們桃園市真的做得很好的地方包括我們這個五歲幼兒教育的助學金"},{"start":21833.502,"end":21849.728,"text":"好運專車﹚動軟補助﹚產後憂鬱心理諮商﹚國中小營養午餐免費這以上哪一項不是因應少子化我們來解決國安問題提出來的一些福利那我不瞭解今天為什麼我們去補重要的不足"},{"start":21850.188,"end":21866.331,"text":"我們去做一件對我們少子化有幫助的事情那我們對這個孩子下一代或者是對我們的這個產婦孕婦提高生育率有很多的誘因那結果呢我們幫忙解決問題但我們卻要受到中央這樣的懲罰還要扣我們這個補助稅款這怎麼對呢這怎麼會公平呢"},{"start":21867.093,"end":21867.493,"text":"我請部長能夠說明一下"},{"start":21881.584,"end":21884.107,"text":"有關中央統籌分配稅款的部分"},{"start":21903.306,"end":21908.968,"text":"我們來談有沒有違反規定或相關法條或標準剛剛我們桃園市有在做動軟補助"},{"start":21928.275,"end":21945.437,"text":"我們桃園市在去年推出動軟的營養金補助之後我們接著看到臺北市新北市新竹苗栗雲林都跟進不打緊我們連衛福部衛福部在這今年年底也預計要推出醫療性的動軟補助可見這是一個好的政策這是第一個"},{"start":21946.438,"end":21968.352,"text":"這麼好的政策各縣市跟進 衛福部也跟進我們桃園市推出這樣的政策其實中央應該要鼓勵才對不可以拿這個當作扣除我們補助金的一個理由再來我想主席黨在這裡我們看到其實在101年度起我們創設了一個對地方社會福利的預警制度這有三點的一個考核的衡量就是說"},{"start":21968.852,"end":21993.335,"text":"有沒有這個超過現行中央法規的標準有沒有超過中央所定的一致性標準以及第三項地方自行開辦社會福利措施且編列金額大院長大家有瞭解嗎這三項我們再來看以上這三項我覺得你們一定會同意這都是原則性的規範它沒有一個特定的項目也沒有一個認定的標準是都沒有的還是院長有"},{"start":21995.953,"end":22017.804,"text":"但是各項補助要量力而為啊人民會希望中央地方政府多給他一些生活上的照顧我想你同意這是一個原則性的規範量力或者是編列金額大到底什麼是大什麼是小量力什麼叫量力"},{"start":22018.584,"end":22023.545,"text":"社會保險、社會救助、社會服務、國民就業以及醫療保健等等五項分得很清楚可是我們看到你們其實糾正桃園市政府的理由之一叫做"},{"start":22039.889,"end":22040.249,"text":"中和以上"},{"start":22056.92,"end":22077.116,"text":"您可能覺得扣這個一億不多那這個要來懲罰我們懲罰什麼我也不知道那但我想您應該不會這樣做可是呢我本期在這裡真的要告訴您我想桃園市不但過去在才化法以及這個補助上面對我們不盡公平我們都還沒有爭取到一個公平的待遇那結果你又反過來再扣我們錢"},{"start":22077.816,"end":22103.006,"text":"我覺得這個是我們完全沒辦法接受的何況我們在解決中央的問題再者我再舉另外一個例子讓你知道我們的財政有多辛苦我們的囤房稅在囤房稅2.0今年是7月上路他們施政委員很配合中央政策我們都配合所以我們把單一自住稅率跟一年內代銷的房屋稅我們都把它調降但是囤房稅我們還是配合對不對還是配合做可是我們這樣計算起來我們的稅損9000多萬"},{"start":22104.947,"end":22124.836,"text":"也就是說你又扣我一億 囤房稅我配合中央政策我又少九千多萬 一來一往兩億的預算所以我想 院長 我有一個請求我想我們這個財化法的修正在9月4號財政部已經邀集了我們各地方政府來徵集意見 雖然之前也有做那這次聽說也獲得了初步分配指標的一個共識"},{"start":22126.437,"end":22154.856,"text":"我們希望行政院能不能儘速這院長上個會期我也提過那我希望說我們儘速提出我們的版本那麼同時對於今天我們所討論的非法定社會福利的支出去扣減補助款的這個部分我希望院長能不能承諾說我們在三個月之內我們提出這個檢討還有能不能提出一些具體的標準不要再模擬兩可量力啦大啦小啦我覺得我們有沒有一個比較具體的三個月之內能不能把它做一個檢討"},{"start":22155.396,"end":22178.272,"text":"首先剛剛委員說懲罰性的扣減一億倒不是原意不再懲罰而是要提醒桃園市政府要健全自己的財務因為上一年度的決算短處了63.2億那下一年度補助增加23.6億你知道嗎其實一個縣市政府的財政啊如你們所說的不管短處啦惡化啦他的原因絕對不是單一的"},{"start":22178.592,"end":22179.112,"text":"財化法的部分請部長再"},{"start":22208.029,"end":22212.004,"text":"長話法我們早時間再談,但是這個部分你覺得可以嗎?"},{"start":22213.749,"end":22238.336,"text":"你說補助的部分補助我們一向都有中央地方一個補助的標準在執行不管是計劃型的我想這樣子啦我是在這裡嚴正的表達您這樣子就是扣除這個疑義我們不能接受那還有囤房稅這個9千萬對桃園來說也很辛苦所以我們希望是不是日後我們有這個計劃型的補助行政院能夠多支持一下可以嗎"},{"start":22239.116,"end":22239.376,"text":"市長在"},{"start":22262.948,"end":22263.649,"text":"我會特別注意,謝謝委員提醒"},{"start":22279.537,"end":22295.528,"text":"好 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桃園市政府現在不同意啊我們因為有新的作為那行政院的立場是希望他入園嗎我們希望能夠解決垃圾問題"},{"start":22716.223,"end":22733.16,"text":"用最新最好的方法來解決各地的認識問題我能理解了一句這樣子的答詢我想你們的態度還是跟以前一樣就是說你們希望這個SRF進來但你們又不願意負責任我想這個我再一次表達"},{"start":22733.78,"end":22734.06,"text":"請交通部長備詢"},{"start":22755.049,"end":22779.679,"text":"院長真的事事要替桃園市多著想真的我覺得地方執政真的不要去分藍綠就算桃園市民其實也是我們中華民國的國民在院會當中桃園市的代表列席代表跟我的對話是最多的陳部長今天有好一點嗎那天在委員會緊張對不對今天好 好多了"},{"start":22780.879,"end":22781.139,"text":"我坐火車我搭火車"},{"start":22800.394,"end":22823.235,"text":"我是這樣建議以後真的有來桃園是不是你也可以通知一下其實我們六位委員真的很願意陪你去看一看我們桃園是我希望你能夠排時間來桃園桃園有太多的重大建設需要部長能夠盡快去了解尤其是鐵路地下化部長有了解到嗎是 了解"},{"start":22823.915,"end":22847.654,"text":"這個不只是桃園的重大交通建設 同時也是全國非常 這我們國家的重大交通建設不過呢 四個月前在這裡 其實我總諮詢的時候 當時就有提到了工程嚴重延宕 非常嚴重延宕那現在不管是土建標還是基電標 目前都還有16個標是沒有標出去的啦四個月的時間 一個一個標案都沒有出去 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行政院都能夠帶頭搞對抗然後把法律踩在腳底下是法律於無物的話那麼臺灣還是法治國嗎我想可能就要成為獨裁國家了絕沒有這樣的做法而且依法行政是我心中最大的一個依序請問您知道為什麼這次立法院要退回中央政府總預算"},{"start":24614.614,"end":24640.356,"text":"我們彼此的溝通還尚待加強其實本期認為這個最主要的原因也是跟我剛剛講的一樣就是我們觀察到其實行政院尤其是您上任之後根本就是把立法院當空氣然後把國會所做的一些決議當成耳邊風那在這樣的一個情況之下立法院所做的修法和決議您完全不理會也不願意遵守"},{"start":24640.896,"end":24641.036,"text":"國務大臣"},{"start":24663.171,"end":24673.831,"text":"又不遵守我們通過的NCC組織法要求現任的NCC委員不可以再繼續留任仍然執意讓翁博宗副主委繼續代理主委"},{"start":24674.765,"end":24699.072,"text":"同時你也不依據新修正過的原住民進法補償條例去編足足夠的補償經費你也不甩立法院所做的各項決議包含像是調高工糧收購價格、調高健保點值以及電價動漲的決議還有要解除開放赴大陸的旅行團"},{"start":24700.497,"end":24711.836,"text":"那麼簡單來說就是行政院你該依法辦理的你不辦理你該編列預算的你不去編列預算這種態度在我們看來就是藐視立法權"},{"start":24714.499,"end":24742.049,"text":"是名譽無誤您口口聲聲說您要尋求溝通協調但是在我們的看到您現在的作為其實就是擺爛就是搞對立反正這個你們不重編這個行政院的預算我們看起來立法院也耐你們也無法這個對你們有什麼樣的其他的一個作為這樣子一個情況之下其實我真的感到非常的感慨"},{"start":24743.149,"end":24744.83,"text":"我剛剛所講的那些例子 有哪一個是錯的 有哪一個是假訊息不是 這都是"},{"start":24772.578,"end":24795.624,"text":"立法院執權刑事法就是最近很多委員在講的 院紀分立行政立法司法的 院次監察的院紀分立 我們要嚴守是的 你的院紀分立可是和必須要尊重的我只有三個原則 第一個就是讓機關正常運作第二個是 快速審查第三個我會依法行政立法院所通過的NCC組織法"},{"start":24796.044,"end":24805.371,"text":"為的是讓機關能夠正常運作為反了我們法律的通過接下來我想要再講的是說其實今天行政院退回中央政府總預算我們無非就是希望你們能夠重新編列合理的預算能夠考察民意體諒民間的疾苦不要把錢"},{"start":24825.245,"end":24826.246,"text":"委員應該知道原因為什麼會這麼高"},{"start":24843.25,"end":24861.748,"text":"委員知道預算為什麼會這麼高對我沒有請您回答我現在講就是說如果行政院你繼續把立法院當空氣那麼立法院也不會對你客氣最後呢國家搞的這個烏煙瘴氣民眾一肚子氣坦白說賴政府也占不到便宜"},{"start":24870.036,"end":24883.449,"text":"政府機關所編列的媒體宣傳經費的事情 其他的委員其實也有談到了那麼我在這邊我還是要重新提醒今年度的中央政府的公務預算就編列了將近15億"},{"start":24884.983,"end":24903.941,"text":"的業務宣導費用比去年113年的法定預算多了9億增高的幅度是65%那麼如果說我們再把其他的營業非營業基金還有這個公務預算的所有的媒體宣傳經費加起來已經超過了27億"},{"start":24906.761,"end":24935.395,"text":"在中間我們仔細的去調查研究也發現有5個部會機關每年編的宣傳費用高達上億這包含內政部衛福部經濟部勞動部和農業部這5個部會機關每年都編了上億元的媒體宣傳費用如果說把這5個機關的媒體宣傳費用加起來是佔整個中央政府的業務的宣傳費用的一半以上"},{"start":24938.723,"end":24959.339,"text":"請問 院長我們的政府有必要去花這麼多的錢做宣傳廣告嗎政府必要把自己國家政府的政策充分清楚的向人民說清楚所以你們自己說不清楚 非得要請媒體來幫你們說清楚我們是請媒體轉述政府政策的說明自己一定要說清楚好 我要再講就是說其實呢 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其實每年的訴訟費用都相當的高相對於同樣是獨立機關的公平會所編列的訴訟費不好意思 我認為翁博中沒有資格列席這次的會議"},{"start":25560.66,"end":25576.941,"text":"我要講的就是說相對於同樣是獨立機關的公平會你看看人家編列的預算費用每年的訴訟費用大概就是70幾萬那NCC的訴訟費用是公平會的8到10倍這樣合理嗎"},{"start":25579.131,"end":25591.676,"text":"這樣合理嗎我必須說真的是非常的誇張不用說明了我覺得事實就已經證明了一切對不對同樣的都是公平會獨立機關人家的訴訟費用編列可能這個預估業者會打官司的費用支出可能只有70幾萬那為什麼NCC他所做的處分會有這麼多的業者不服為什麼要"},{"start":25608.963,"end":25632.495,"text":"提告要提起行政訴訟去提告NCC委員你這NCC是有經驗的你也知道NCC的業務非常的複雜在我們當院NCC委員的時候沒有這麼高的訴訟費用我們不需要NCC不需要去支付這麼多的訴訟費用去委託律師然後幫NCC去做辯護"},{"start":25634.882,"end":25663.882,"text":"呃我想院長應該知道所謂的民不與官鬥這句話坦白說臺灣的業者大部分都不會願意跟機關起衝突去提告可是為什麼廣電媒體業者會這麼積極的會這麼熱衷於提起行政訴訟我自己的個人觀察第一個就是NCC所做的這些行政處分的確業者感到不服氣裡面可能有很多這個明顯重大的違法的這個疑慮所以呢他想要不服他提起訴訟"},{"start":25664.922,"end":25683.639,"text":"第2個情況呢﹖就是﹖他的勝訴率很高﹖反正我提告了勝訴之後﹖我的罰金也不用交﹖因為行政法院會把NCC的懲罰處分去撤回﹖去撤銷﹖所以事實證明﹖NCC在過去的表現﹖也是它的敗訴率很低﹖"},{"start":25688.292,"end":25703.108,"text":"他的敗訴率還蠻高的有超過一半所以在這樣的一個情況之下當然就是有很多的行政訴訟業者會提告我還觀察到另外一個有趣的現象"},{"start":25704.554,"end":25722.202,"text":"NCC在114年所編列的罰款收入是1120萬但是它的訴訟費用就是800多萬也就是說它的財閥收入的七成都去支付這個訴訟費用坦白說這也真的是很不合理很不合理"},{"start":25723.25,"end":25739.071,"text":"我這邊我真的認為說NCC你如果說對於自己的處分這麼有信心的話不用去請律師自己內部就法務處這裡裡面的人去為NCC的處分做答辯就好了真的不要浪費人民的納稅錢去做那些"},{"start":25741.474,"end":25742.415,"text":"快速的審查"},{"start":25757.808,"end":25757.828,"text":"競選審查"},{"start":25777.739,"end":25798.88,"text":"報告委員我都用一次讓機關正常運作如果沒有多一位委員我們無法運作那麼我現在要講的就是說有關於這個大法官死刑大法官做出死刑有條件核限的這個議題那麼這次大法官做出這個裁判其實也引起"},{"start":25799.841,"end":25823.903,"text":"而社會的不滿雖然說大法官沒有宣告死刑是違憲的但是他設下了很多的條件重重的關卡門檻所以實質上已經也達成了這個實質廢死的目的那麼大法官立下這些條件其實不僅在社會上在法學界裡面其實都引起很多的討論那麼我想請問院長您是否認同大法官所說的"},{"start":25824.343,"end":25824.843,"text":"您認同這樣的看法嗎?"},{"start":25836.778,"end":25858.992,"text":"我也注意到一開始他講這個是有條件的合憲他設定了一些條件那這些條件我們可以在用未來修法的過程當中讓它符合但是我不覺得這樣就把它等同於是實質的廢死我們還是有執行死刑在社會上經過剛剛委員說那個條件之後是有其必要跟空間的時候還是要執行的"},{"start":25859.585,"end":25869.401,"text":"好我想請問這個院長您知不知道這一次大法官做出死刑有條件的合憲判決有幾位大法官是贊成這項判決的"},{"start":25871.761,"end":25893.866,"text":"我知道有幾位是有不同的意見我告訴您這次的這個憲法法院的裁判大概我看起來就是有七位大法官是完全贊同這次的釋憲理由死刑有條件的核憲五位大法官分別提出了不同意見有一位大法官是完全的反對就是支持要廢死的那這樣的比數代表什麼意義"},{"start":25895.714,"end":25915.952,"text":"就是在討論的過程一定相當的意見分歧而且各有意見沒錯 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也謝謝卓院長備詢接下來我們請登記第28位林月琴委員質詢"},{"start":26338.001,"end":26343.485,"text":"主席有請我們的院長和衛福部部長麻煩再請左院長備詢請衛福部評委員好"},{"start":26353.871,"end":26377.734,"text":"院長好從院長的上週的施政報告當中可以看到有非常多的兒少的相關政策顯示中央對兒少的重視那兒少議題一直也是我關心的所以今天有想跟院長討論兩個議題一個是兒少領域工作人員的薪資跟兒少的網路安全那院長首先想問您支持同工同酬嗎"},{"start":26379.553,"end":26402.922,"text":"同工同酬當然是一個最基本的條件我想也是因為我相信同工要同酬事實上是普世價值也是勞動部近這幾年來去推動的職場文化但在我過去工作的領域裡邊的兒少領域那卻有很顯著的落差那他們的薪水很多時候是來自我們的政府部門的發放那像"},{"start":26404.682,"end":26416.762,"text":"社工跟我們的訪視輔導員所執行的工作內容幾乎是一樣的可是看起來他們心知所得事實上有非常大的一個差距從這表格當中可以看到"},{"start":26417.483,"end":26441.666,"text":"一百零二年雖然兩個都一樣都是三萬三可是社工是使領三萬三那訪視輔導人員呢他是含雇主的勞健保跟六趴的勞退使領事實上是兩萬八那好不容易訪視人員到了在一百零七年改制的時候領到三萬三的時候社工已經調整到三萬四那到一百一十三年"},{"start":26442.327,"end":26468.838,"text":"已經進入到三萬四的時候社工已經調到三萬七千七百六十五元了那房市輔導員的專業背景有社工系跟幼保系那很多時候這是在現場是我的學生那過去我在民間一直在爭取所以不知道因為在這裡我不知道可不可能就想說提出一個訴求因為他們工作一樣是辛苦房市輔導員能不能"},{"start":26471.155,"end":26497.3,"text":"他的薪酬可以調整到跟社工夥伴是一樣的 院長再請部長回答 但是訪視﹚輔導員目前是不是已經在3萬7甚至到4萬2出頭的這個範圍當中跟社工訪視員的起薪是相符的目前事實上是他們拿到的3萬4報告委員 那個"},{"start":26500.213,"end":26500.653,"text":"我相信齁過去在蔡"},{"start":26529.939,"end":26540.133,"text":"蔡英文總統任內到賴總統我相信都會非常照顧基層當然我們還是期待能夠調整到一致不會有很多差異"},{"start":26542.073,"end":26563.609,"text":"是的因為有這樣的差異所以我們行政院也支持我們在部裡面針對我們的一個督導跟訪視員從113年10月1號起來提高他的薪資在督導方面我們提高到4.1萬元至4.6萬元原來大概原來是3.8萬元至4.3萬元"},{"start":26569.312,"end":26590.085,"text":"那以社工的督導起薪4萬4千多是差異不大那在仿事輔導員方面我們提高到3.7萬元至4.2萬元原來是3.4萬至3.9萬所以這個以社工的仿事員3萬7、8這樣的是非常相近"},{"start":26590.869,"end":26592.07,"text":"年齡當然是一直往下降"},{"start":26617.16,"end":26639.989,"text":"時間如果在家裡家長沒有特別的關注的時候或者連在學校有自由的時間時間也一直在拉長這對他的身心健康都不是好事情對所以從IWIN的數據當中我們可以看到小朋友他第一次接觸網路事實上5到10歲大概是幼稚園階段就開始了那平均一天大概8點3小時"},{"start":26646.234,"end":26658.687,"text":"馬路有交通部交通局學校有教育部跟教育局可是網路世界看起來像是烏托邦"},{"start":26659.087,"end":26659.127,"text":"網路成癮"},{"start":26685.657,"end":26702.31,"text":"這個會造成他不僅是跟外界人跟人之間的疏離自己的身心包括眼睛視力影響很大另外很可怕的是網路的霸凌在罪他的心理造成可能是很長時間無法磨滅的至於其他的那些更不"},{"start":26702.95,"end":26703.71,"text":"是違法的行為﹖"},{"start":26725.339,"end":26736.768,"text":"的確就會是跟自殺風險有高度的相關我非常認同 院長一上來的時候8月份就實施了心理健康免費心理諮詢擴大到45歲這個事實上是現在"},{"start":26740.251,"end":26767.92,"text":"外界評價最高所以這次你在施政報告裡邊也說要把它提到56億我非常的贊成可是在網路安全當中我們除了後端的輔導以外可能要找到前端的原因所以接下來我們就來看這三個跟自殺比較高度相關的傷害首先在網路沉迷沉隱這邊可以看到在沉迷12歲以下已經事實上是7%"},{"start":26769.011,"end":26769.952,"text":"請教一步說明一下謝謝委員關心網路成癮"},{"start":26790.899,"end":26818.858,"text":"要求各地方政府在學校的輔導工作把網路成癮跟這個網路霸凌的相關的這些不當的一個行為當作我們這個幸福學生輔導的一個主要的一個工作的一個對部長因為我們現在看到像衛福部他是用WHO的標準那將網路成癮視為一種精神疾病然後心理輔導那教育部的確也是用分級輔導方式處理不過"},{"start":26819.719,"end":26833.413,"text":"要問的是好像網路成癮成謎都是兒少的錯如果你只做後端的輔導的話難道提供成癮平台提供成癮內容平台跟業者都沒有責任嗎"},{"start":26834.718,"end":26834.778,"text":"政府部門﹚"},{"start":26857.489,"end":26883.541,"text":"提供平台的業者今天出現惡意的言論跟網路霸凌的話他們自己是否可以置身事外反而相較於在於最後跟自殺風險最高度相關的就是性相關的訊息外傳那從數據顯示一樣是逐年升高不過看到一線曙光就是我們去年性剝削法修法之後"},{"start":26884.201,"end":26902.18,"text":"的確我們設立了專責單位也加速了下架流程也請警政署成立資料庫未來進行主動比對找出潛在的受害者所以整體來看的話我們大概先有三個樣態第一個就是我們看起來只處罰所謂的行為人"},{"start":26904.727,"end":26929.922,"text":"目前我們的做法都是處理行為人或是輔導受害者那為什麼平台可以賺取大量的商業利益的時候卻不需要負擔市警預防的責任第二個目前在沒有專法的管理下發生各種狀況都是回到個別的法律處理這個緩不及急那第三我們的兒少網路問題今天不是第一天發生"},{"start":26931.445,"end":26959.475,"text":"可是我們很遺憾的目前臺灣有速發部還有NCC也有衛福部的保護師可是一個做產業發展一個做所謂的申訴一個在做處罰各做各的沒有專責的統籌單位我覺得很可惜所以院長是不是針對這三種的網路風險跟我目前管理上的肉洞不知道你有什麼樣的看法"},{"start":26960.009,"end":26986.373,"text":"而報告委員為了防止兒少接觸這些不當的網路我們的NCC通傳會一個民間的團體有組織了一個內容防護的機構那希望能夠讓福島的網路業者自律提供防護機制但我覺得自律應該還是不夠的我們還要很多的機制加起來包括我們這些傳播的業者所以請教育部談論一下他最近跟那些傳播業者有一些進展"},{"start":26986.933,"end":27012.508,"text":"謝謝委員關心確實我們對於看到這個學生青少年兒少在這個非在學校的一個時間在私下或是在家庭的休假的時候那許多的這個社群的這些的網址確實他們會很容易收到一些相關的社群資料所以我們教育部目前正在洽細這個三大這個電信系統"},{"start":27015.77,"end":27037.207,"text":"中華電跟台灣大哥大還有演傳因為我們現在看到許多父母親他們主要是這三大消費者他們同時買了一些手機年齡往下的趨勢所有這些父前的父母親我們希望透過尋求父母親的同業跟業者"},{"start":27038.32,"end":27056.87,"text":"這一個這一個能夠洽談希望能夠包裹式的能夠禁止這些社群網站的一個在兒童青少年的一個提這個使用在網路上的這些應該把它排除也就是說因為現在三大業者裡邊基本上也有一個社群的守門員這樣一個條款"},{"start":27058.773,"end":27082.92,"text":"看起來還是針對於事實上要要求家長的這個針對管理上這三個漏洞並不是沒有解方像第一個第二個漏洞有關平台的責任有國際經驗事實上是可以參考的像美國他們已經有所在今年的7月已經通過了防止成癮性內容的剝削兒童法"},{"start":27084.837,"end":27108.463,"text":"規範了有成癮性的演算法而且避免深夜推播內容來影響睡眠甚至明定罰款那在去年呢英國也通過了所謂的網路安全法那他同時也是規範業者應該履行的職責而且要求業者對於有這樣的傷害的內容要及時刪除一樣明定罰款所以"},{"start":27109.824,"end":27128.492,"text":"第三個漏洞就是我們需要努力改善的因為網路上的兒少可能遭受到風險跟傷害要進行管理我們台灣不是獨創因為我們在2014年的時候已經是把兒權公約國內法化那所以我們有責任來履行這個義務責任"},{"start":27129.753,"end":27133.234,"text":"而專責的政府單位要跟學校跟資通訊部門合作所以也希望說院長在納管平台及時下架跟國家級的教育政策"},{"start":27156.089,"end":27184.774,"text":"我相信你應該很熟悉因為其實就是現在行政院正在做的權力執行打詐計畫所以院長你同意嗎是 所以是我們的目的世界主管機關主管的機關對於這些平台業者現在有比較新的法律工具在手所以對這些不法的網站如果經過檢舉他還不處理的話目前我們的速發部是可以請業者依照這個法規要求他限制瀏覽移除"},{"start":27185.942,"end":27202.914,"text":"事實上他的廣告部分要求他在24小時裡面下架這個我就說的自律不夠還要有比較強而有力的法律的要求所以今天最後有兩個情託就希望院長可以事實上你9月16的時候我就看見書發部公告了一打詐專法來納管平台"},{"start":27204.155,"end":27204.255,"text":"施政報告"},{"start":27225.919,"end":27250.587,"text":"因為打詐的確是我們國人很大的痛苦就是說今天詐騙事實上是國人問題所以編了這樣的經費預算就是你有要打詐的決心所以院長可不可以同意說可不可以比照打詐內容平台應該納管然後民定主管機關這是我的第一個訴求是在打詐的新法當中我們會把這些納進去因為我們對平台業者有比較強而有力的拘束力"},{"start":27251.178,"end":27276.255,"text":"所以最後就是希望臺灣是一個法治國家還是希望能夠針對於法律能夠好謝謝林月晴委員的質詢謝謝主委院長跟相關部會所長的備詢接下來報告宴會我們現在休息10分鐘休息之後我們繼續進行質詢現在休息"},{"start":27912.162,"end":27912.642,"text":"請李玉琳委員質詢請卓院長"},{"start":27941.708,"end":27966.892,"text":"李文豪想請問你一下剛剛日本的自民黨他的新總裁當選人石破茂你認識不認識我們在媒體上都看過很多次那你認識嗎近距離沒有認識那請教對台日的關係有沒有影響那你有什麼期待"},{"start":27967.984,"end":27994.354,"text":"他可能就是下屆的新首相我覺得民主夥伴國家這個民主成熟到一定程度之後對國家的國策的發展他一定有長遠的觀察跟制定那任何一個經選舉出來的國家領導人我們除了給予祝福之外我們當然希望能夠持續的深化加深台日雙方之間的關係我也認為在現在的民主夥伴國家的這種產業鏈以及共同防禦地方"},{"start":27995.094,"end":27996.095,"text":"那你是講哪一種台語廣告用的廣告詞廣告詞"},{"start":28023.217,"end":28024.558,"text":"我最熟悉的台語"},{"start":28052.138,"end":28072.939,"text":"臺灣的有很多種臺語有很多種在臺灣通行的像閩南語客家語客語還有原住民語都叫做臺語對不對都叫做國家語言是臺灣的國家語言嗎是就是臺語嗎是所以臺語包含的只要在臺灣的方言很多種都叫臺語是不是"},{"start":28074.822,"end":28100.332,"text":"臺語包括很多我們自然使用所用的語言包括原住民語包括客語包括我們的手語都是我們的國家語言國家語言在臺灣就叫臺語院長我們都是臺灣人臺灣的方言臺灣的臺語有這麼多種我們不能夠忽視其他的族群所以不能說臺語就是獨尊於閩南語這樣對其他的族群是非常不公平的"},{"start":28100.872,"end":28103.713,"text":"我還是希望說通通叫做國家語言是 我知道院長在閃躲"},{"start":28120.356,"end":28142.984,"text":"其實我剛剛一直強調我們都是臺灣人我們的先祖在臺灣幾十年的打拼耕耘才奠定下來的基礎所以每一個族群對臺灣都有貢獻都有付出我們應該要公平的對待更何況應該要海納百川這才是有公平對每一個族群的"},{"start":28143.664,"end":28169.01,"text":"所以本席今天會這樣子問就是因為現在一直在講說臺語是屬於什麼語言臺語就是臺灣通行的語就叫做臺語所以我們看到這個文化部特別有發文到各縣市去要他們去修正臺語就是閩南語閩南語就是臺語院長你支持你認同嗎"},{"start":28169.69,"end":28191.099,"text":"你的態度又是怎麼樣這種講法也是一種自然的講法啦現在所謂閩南語台語大家也是常常把它混在一起講這個也沒有對錯問題就是它習慣性的用語我就在這裡除了尊重大家對自己所有母語的保存跟使用之外這種自然的講法大家也應該比較包容啦"},{"start":28192.005,"end":28192.386,"text":"我並不覺得啊"},{"start":28208.918,"end":28222.907,"text":"因為很自然的表達任何一種語言 或者把稱呼一種語言那就是我們文化的報告包括文化部都發魂到各縣市去了因為我們很多客家的鄉親 通通群起抗議包括我們的文化部長 理部長都上來了"},{"start":28233.815,"end":28246.519,"text":"委員長你也是客家人我知道你有很多的客家的戲劇都是你編排的你也寫了很多客家的童話包括我晚上在我地方指風車"},{"start":28248.817,"end":28265.935,"text":"都要表演這個客家文化的劇本都是從你的童話故事改變過來的所以本期在這邊要強烈的要求我們應該要更正修正為臺語的閩南語臺灣的閩南語臺灣的客語臺灣的原住民"},{"start":28270.86,"end":28286.535,"text":"要海報百川啊 要有廣大的含義啊 台語的內涵裡面是廣大的這包含著客語 閩南語跟原住民語 跟手語都包括進去我們不能矮化自己啊 不能讓語言的疆域變小了"},{"start":28287.543,"end":28315.32,"text":"尤其是你如果講閩南語的話他來自哪裡他來自福建省張州泉州過來尤其是部長你的父母也是從福建的客家過來的嘛這都是可以一起的去發展我們的語言國家語言要一起公平的發展這是本席要強調的所以我請教院長部長你們可不可以做這個修正"},{"start":28316.237,"end":28316.257,"text":"臺灣台語"},{"start":28337.543,"end":28338.624,"text":"台灣的台語那就是福建的台語囉"},{"start":28354.099,"end":28358.163,"text":"我最近去日本看到他們有一本書寫臺灣華語臺灣華語什麼意思呢就是語言會透過一段歷史以後還有演變那臺灣華語就是經過歷史演變之後隔海"},{"start":28372.554,"end":28393.542,"text":"很長一段時間這個語言已經跟中國大陸的那個語言不太一樣他所寫的台灣華語其實大概就是這個意思啦所以我信的是對各個族群在台灣共進的各個族群你都要公平對待尤其台灣講的各個方言都是他的母語所以我們要給尊重要公平對待所以你應該要做個修正好不好"},{"start":28394.142,"end":28394.883,"text":"請客委會主委備詢"},{"start":28409.053,"end":28435.04,"text":"因為國家的語言阿 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院長我要提醒跟部長員二度被桃園市政府撤銷這個處分現在要問的就是前因是因為經濟部的推薦護航開後門一定要讓這個三家廠商進來桃科那現在桃園市政府跟人民站在一起要不要犧牲了人民的健康所以二度處分撤銷了"},{"start":29029.056,"end":29047.357,"text":"本部長你要更嚴苛的標準你去更嚴苛標準這是符合標準的嚴苛是應該的但是我們並不要讓他入園啦我扑上他入園是不用到嚴苛的標準去那現在已經有這樣子了現在我看到市政府已經撤銷了那現在經濟部的態度"},{"start":29049.19,"end":29049.21,"text":"5月13號"},{"start":29064.773,"end":29084.604,"text":"美國的在台協會拜訪了前經濟部長王美花針對這件事情非常的關切本期也特別去查了一下這三家廠商當中臺灣的立方能源是美國基礎建設投資的基金是百分之百你們是不是受到美國的壓力"},{"start":29085.612,"end":29086.532,"text":"負力循環經濟﹚負力循環經濟"},{"start":29099.669,"end":29104.11,"text":"地方政府有權嗎?你尊重地方政府嗎?尊重為什麼撤銷他的儲備?哪裡不一樣?因為經濟部也撤回了他自己的推薦書啊"},{"start":29118.634,"end":29145.807,"text":"事實上他不要承擔責任啊他偷偷的他收回他的推薦書耶依照術院會的決定當時的入園標準的規定就是由地方政府來核定跟經濟部有沒有推薦期好地方政府就不要讓他入園了嘛剛剛講的啊那你要不要尊重地方地方審核過了不要啊所以院長過程我相信你前面應該都去了解了那後面的結果我也告訴你了"},{"start":29146.513,"end":29172.432,"text":"我不希望二度還有三度這個惡性循環要叫我們所有關於的鄉親用健康來付代價嗎剛剛次長講得清楚我們尊重地方政府但是民間的業者也有他提起他溯源來了所以我請教他的溯源來了你是要跟民意跟我們桃園鄉親站在一起還是跟業者站在一起你們是不是說到美國"},{"start":29173.493,"end":29173.754,"text":"在台協會的壓力"},{"start":29188.875,"end":29189.995,"text":"我強調不要二度撤回又來三度撤回請你們聽聽"},{"start":29216.667,"end":29233.926,"text":"民意聽聽我們地方鄉親的聲音不要讓我們對這個有汙染的這個發電廠要負擔著這個身體的健康好不好當初應該是為了要處理垃圾的問題想到這個方式那大家能不能接受我們現在用一種比較各位的方式"},{"start":29236.988,"end":29239.471,"text":"循環經濟循環經濟不能讓桃園一個人負擔啊不能讓桃園負擔啊 是不是桃園大部份是各式各樣的我們的整個基礎建設"},{"start":29256.584,"end":29272.49,"text":"是不是所以請你跟民意站在一起彭部長對於垃圾的處理是積極而用心的報告委員其實桃園有非常多露天裸露的垃圾山我們也積極在解決那SRF也建議大家可以經由可以看我們中午的記者會我們有把它證明"},{"start":29272.91,"end":29275.852,"text":"所以還是要人民能接受民意不要造成民怨民眾的健康是非常重要的"},{"start":29301.715,"end":29327.061,"text":"好接下來下一個問題喔院長我們一直在講電價的問題台電我們已經在增資在補償裡面已經到5000億了已經到5000億了現在我們的電價審議委員會也一定要在9月底就要來開了今天沒有開禮拜一也要開了那我特別去了解這個"},{"start":29330.943,"end":29355.585,"text":"電價審議委員會有17位委員那代表我們政府的有8席那代表工商跟消費者的有3席有6席是專家學者所以政府的態度就是關鍵工商界當然不願意漲價嘛所以3席當然是反對的所以政府態度是怎麼樣如果這8席跟我們工商消費者站在一起的話"},{"start":29356.619,"end":29382.165,"text":"沈殷熙對這個六席你說這審議委員會的結果會是什麼呢所以關鍵在行政院所謂院長你的指示了沒有這外部委員已經明顯超過政府內部的委員了所以應該是讓他們去討論我剛剛告訴你了啊六席專家而已啊我說外部委員已經超過"},{"start":29382.97,"end":29403.736,"text":"政府內部的委員是17席嗎 有錯嗎沒有錯啊 17席沒錯啊代表政府也是8席嘛工商跟消費者3席啊 6席是專家學者啊所以政府的態度是非常關鍵的如果政府要漲價就漲價了所以政府的態度啊你不要不承擔漲價的問題而推給電價審議委員會 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農業部陳部長還有衛福部邱部長環境部跟衛福部請備選王委員好 院長好 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謝謝希望未來有機會能夠研議得到一個結果下一個問題就是要麻煩這個海委會的管主委一起來說明一下有關於這個目前我們知道台灣是一個海洋國家麻煩請管主委"},{"start":30368.558,"end":30378.572,"text":"請問一下衛福部就那就謝謝邱部長應該還有不然的話部長就先留步先留步"},{"start":30380.496,"end":30401.43,"text":"因為這個牽扯到就是海巡艦還有會事實上非常用心而且管主委非常用心的去帶我們所有的海巡艦能夠守護臺灣整個海域的安全不管是在打擊走勢﹖或者是有關於緊急醫療需求部分都付給海巡艦有非常大的任務"},{"start":30402.61,"end":30411.916,"text":"這部分我們很樂意的去把這個海巡艦各方面的功能機能可以繼續的加強目前我們也知道在113年這個海巡組的"},{"start":30415.16,"end":30437.331,"text":"施政目標跟重點裡面有討論到如何能夠讓整個海巡緊急醫療的需求可以照顧到當這個事件突然發生的時候如何去協助到這些醫療需求的過程包括傷患的運送周邊海域緊急救護等等那也知道說目前也建置了海上"},{"start":30438.151,"end":30438.531,"text":"委員長施政報告委員長施政報告"},{"start":30466.414,"end":30466.534,"text":"主席"},{"start":30481.892,"end":30482.672,"text":"行政院院長施政報告"},{"start":30497.778,"end":30521.517,"text":"相較於目前國軍最大的磐石艦新竹艦是4000噸的規模它真的可以執行很多很多的手術、診療等等的其中未來如果需要在執行擴大醫療需求的過程裡面我看到的部分就是可能的話我們相較於磐石艦"},{"start":30524.02,"end":30536.418,"text":"關於移動式的這些設備方面可能是兩個之間唯一的差別這部分不知道未來管主委會有沒有相關的計畫或者是討論或者是內容還要再加強的部分"},{"start":30537.14,"end":30564.921,"text":"非常謝謝王委員我們王委員在參觀我們的新竹建的時候做了非常非常多的專業的指導那尤其是對於新竹建未來是不是能夠在X光機的這個部分能夠有更多能夠來增加的這一點我們也都知道王委員的關心那跟王委員報告就是說目前這個醫療船上面我們最優先處理的部分"},{"start":30565.621,"end":30566.242,"text":"施政報告"},{"start":30580.559,"end":30582.04,"text":"在船上是可以動手術的﹚"},{"start":30597.944,"end":30598.084,"text":"：第11屆第2會議"},{"start":30628.639,"end":30652.721,"text":"那我下一個部分就是要請教在過來癌症的部分那我們也知道非常感謝肯定我們在這個癌篩的部分會有很大的擴增包括從原來的這個28億增加了40億到68億的整個癌篩可是我們比較擔心的就是"},{"start":30653.274,"end":30675.052,"text":"在這個癌篩過程裡面針對肺癌的篩檢事實上他要從原來5.5萬要擴增到50萬左右的篩檢的量能我們比較擔心的或者是希望衛福部這邊可以再加強的部分就是偏鄉如何把這個肺癌的篩檢可以做到很完整那這部分可能還要麻煩院長"},{"start":30704.795,"end":30727.953,"text":"謝謝王振旭委員的質詢：也謝謝卓院長的備詢接下來我們請丁學忠委員質詢感謝主席請卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢農業部經濟部還有教育部麻煩請農業部經濟部教育部請備詢"},{"start":30734.755,"end":30746.791,"text":"感謝院長 議員好當我們訂改我們的這個基礎的時候那時候我們剛好大大進入的下半年那時候就去講到我們這個訪台期就已經漸漸的到剛好7月剛好發生的這個開運颱風"},{"start":30752.778,"end":30761.446,"text":"我真的要感謝委員長：感謝國國會：對到災害發生療養：配合到我們地方政府：來做重建的牆制：的協助：讓我們可以快速：來配合到正常的生活當這次的天災：我們農藥部：也有把我們的五分："},{"start":30780.264,"end":30792.309,"text":"天然災害枯燥掉：有盡力緬懷刊的果分我希望說﹖未來若遇上這大型的天災﹖這可以說是﹖歷史性的天災﹖可以說是兩三年的火炊﹖這次倒下來﹖這次開明颱風的災害是這樣的﹖整個煙水、煙缸﹖海堤﹖潰堤﹖"},{"start":30808.815,"end":30808.835,"text":"委員："},{"start":30825.854,"end":30826.014,"text":"主席"},{"start":30856.454,"end":30869.481,"text":"我跟委員報告,第一點就是說,我們天然災的部分,我們農業部一日在持續精進,有辦法用比較科技的方式,用比較早講過的,那過去都是地方政府先看了以後再報來廣戶,廣戶再報來我們的農業部,那速度太慢了,所以我們這邊是"},{"start":30876.69,"end":30901.702,"text":"一群人要配合一些影像去處理所以未來我們對於天然災害的方式也會用氣象參數的方式盡量能夠用氣象參數直接去處理這樣的話也會省掉相公所的一些基層的勘察人力第二點的部分就是說農水高的部分不是剛好風災再來清那我們農水署本身普通時候有在清農水高來協助"},{"start":30903.723,"end":30903.763,"text":"主席"},{"start":30922.773,"end":30929.967,"text":"在重建工程中﹑水利主理署﹑"},{"start":30934.455,"end":30937.156,"text":"委員長施政報告委員長施政報告委員長施政報告"},{"start":30960.945,"end":30965.548,"text":"好好用嘴來作聲：那些氣宅損壞 我想在這裡向院長拜託一項因為我們發表了一項我們現在好庫內的這個地水的專案我們哪像哪像沒有這個專案校區裏面的治水專案"},{"start":30982.944,"end":30987.966,"text":"因為我們沿海地區地層比較下陷﹖那些學校都受益比較高的時代﹖都已經低落靠的路面﹖所以"},{"start":31011.733,"end":31011.753,"text":"委員："},{"start":31030.493,"end":31031.793,"text":"我了解委員的用心,苦業是個題材,我們要做"},{"start":31048.078,"end":31052.241,"text":"我們可以說學校和學校的主理工程可以結合作為學校學校的主理工程可以順利解決"},{"start":31078.238,"end":31078.718,"text":"現在再來再講就是"},{"start":31108.729,"end":31108.749,"text":"國土計畫"},{"start":31132.438,"end":31134.7,"text":"委員長施政報告委員長施政報告"},{"start":31154.991,"end":31155.691,"text":"我請農業副長"},{"start":31175.762,"end":31187.13,"text":"都在報的部分 大家有人的執法要修現在已經都送到行政院 已經去做審議了那完了以後就會送到立法院 來這邊做審查"},{"start":31189.694,"end":31217.464,"text":"已經有代替整個好了就對了對 因為 裡面 一些像森林法或者其他的法 它相對單純比較重要的是我們的農發條例因為農發條例我們過去用區域計畫法下去設計現在改成國土計畫的時候有一些農業用地的定義跟農業用地的範疇跟農業用地的使用的範圍這個會做一些適度的修正"},{"start":31218.324,"end":31232.717,"text":"讓未來因為藝豪國土計畫裡面沒有用地木所以會讓農民能夠有一個轉換的一個時間我們希望說透過這個國土紀委法這個紀委法如果執行下去可以縮短城鄉發展距離我們是希望這樣不要說一樣政府的社區 一樣政府 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現在有很多政策"},{"start":31530.859,"end":31533,"text":"我跟委員報告原來的農地裡不管是農醫農學你要去農舍"},{"start":31557.216,"end":31564.187,"text":"現在就沒辦法啦不是說阿邦就沒辦法現在就沒辦法就照沒辦法的規定去處理啦"},{"start":31571.683,"end":31586.398,"text":"所以我希望說,我們把這個執法的精神,我們一定好事後,公共處理,讓所有的事端,他們了解到我們這個國土計劃法的根本的精神,是正確的。我先做一個個案,我們之前在做,"},{"start":31594.085,"end":31600.807,"text":"委員可以幫你稍作解說一下嗎我相信沈主席很多立法委員、代表民意都非常了解但是有人提出說這個國土紀委員要延長2年至4年但是事實上已經延長過了所以表示說我們可能要有很大的共識我要向委員報告說國土紀委員跟外人的區域紀委員是要改造"},{"start":31623.494,"end":31624.035,"text":"委員長施政報告"},{"start":31646.374,"end":31649.758,"text":"所以這對年輕人來說有起因難 第二項就剛才你說的你本來是農事還是合法的 絕對就是合法你本來沒合法的要怎麼讓他合法 表示你要有白水洩溼 你不可以白費水"},{"start":31666.377,"end":31673.421,"text":"這種就表示叫做管理,不是要管責事實上我也知道,譬如說我們農業部的很多官員在我們婚姻關係跟人交通的時候有時候政府要用他的說法來講,不然要讓我們農業部的官員做更好的解釋所以我希望議員﹚不是啊,議員部長,不是我給你們解釋是怎樣,我們一個根本的執法都沒有出來,我們有一個實際的聚人"},{"start":31694.011,"end":31694.311,"text":"我們的城鄉發展區可以擴大"},{"start":31721.335,"end":31726.179,"text":"對：我們可以說 直線好像沒有情 直線這個環境以來 以來我們林教授如果很高的 如果去讓我們發展到這個三年分區 林教授越來越多 還要強調到這個見底"},{"start":31737.108,"end":31739.83,"text":"所以這是希望說我們來政國和農業部我們要積極跟政府跟他們討論這個事項"},{"start":31756.34,"end":31761.286,"text":"要讓人了解這個事項,不是說他們實際存在著,我們中央設的規定就是相信總統要維持多少公頃的農地今天去年,我們黨這個公開的政策你就有說了"},{"start":31775.822,"end":31776.103,"text":"委員會主席"},{"start":31791.364,"end":31791.384,"text":"委員："},{"start":31811.107,"end":31811.127,"text":"委員："},{"start":31826.636,"end":31835.058,"text":"農業發展區農業農業到底是最後是怎麼劃的所以我們希望說 他們可以提出他的版本的時候我們可以來溝通 我估計的"},{"start":31853.642,"end":31870.756,"text":"藍島的部分,一些土地去化成國保區去,我們覺得比較沒力所以我們去協調,就把它化為農業發展區,這樣的話會比較好所以你的班分,分你的班分如果算出來以後,我們就可以對這個地方可以好好的去討論去做溝通"},{"start":31872.466,"end":31882.853,"text":"現在是拜託我們部長 您比較貴心真的我們分明是常常走進進步在發展的一個風雲當中當然 如果真的確實來發展 真正我們中央也是功夫可賀現在我們都在講 大家都共同會和對著對應發展這是我們單純說的一個理念"},{"start":31900.986,"end":31911.889,"text":"所以拜託我們院長﹚拜託我們部長﹚我們兩位部長﹚針對這個國土紀委法﹚我們可以做一個上席的一個說明﹚還是上席的一個整個療養﹚跟我們地方管政部﹚我們來做一個上席的討論﹚維修的範圍﹚維修的方式﹚還有一個原格﹚"},{"start":31923.171,"end":31923.291,"text":"主席"},{"start":31938.479,"end":31957.747,"text":"謝謝卓院長的備詢 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