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新的樣態，而且不要複雜，讓所有人都能看得到。"],["周局長幼偉：其實165就是統合所有的資料庫，無論是犯罪預防或是其他部分。"],["張委員宏陸：你們都沒有每天更新啊！"],["周局長幼偉：有。"],["張委員宏陸：不是，我要求的這種是，因為詐騙手法日新月異，但我並沒有要求你即時……"],["張署長榮興：委員，我們來檢討處理。"],["張委員宏陸：即時是誰都做不到，但至少要有最新的讓大家知道嘛！"],["張署長榮興：委員，我們這個……"],["張委員宏陸：部長，你覺得可以嗎？"],["張署長榮興：可以，我們來專責處理。"],["張委員宏陸：你覺得我這個建議可以嗎？"],["劉部長世芳：我知道委員講的意思，我們會檢討改進，可以把最新的樣態po上去，但是有一些樣態，包括最近在偏鄉地區發生的，我也都有看過，其實都有追蹤啦！"],["張委員宏陸：部長，很簡單啦！我只是要你們把新的樣態拿上去，沒有要你們做到即時，因為即時是不可能做到的。"],["劉部長世芳：我知道，可以啦！我們來檢討、我們來檢討。"],["張委員宏陸：包括部長所講偏鄉的部分，其實有許多年長者都是由外勞照顧，我覺得我們往後能否再思考一下，如何去接觸這些外勞，讓他們能夠告知長者，這些都是詐騙，不然兒子女兒都不在身邊，其實都是這些外勞在陪伴他們看手機。"],["劉部長世芳：報告委員，我們現在已經注意到這個部分，包括農會或郵政系統，在臨櫃的部分都已經做了加強，但是在外勞的部分，我們還要再加強一下。此外，我們現在也鼓勵金融機關可以在ATM註明詐騙的部分，但是並不容易，因為金融機關有他們自己的考量。"],["張委員宏陸：我知道，現在我就是給你們一個方向，如果可以就去處理即可，也沒要求你們一次就做到100分，那是不可能的啊！"],["劉部長世芳：謝謝。"],["張委員宏陸：好，謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝張宏陸召委。","接下來請吳琪銘委員。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":332,"meet_id":"委員會-11-3-15-19","speakers":["張宏陸","蘇巧慧","黃捷","牛煦庭","許宇甄","張智倫","王美惠","高金素梅","徐欣瑩","麥玉珍","李柏毅","吳琪銘","張啓楷","沈伯洋","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","丁學忠"],"page_start":275,"meetingDate":["2025-05-14"],"gazette_id":"1144901","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1144901_00006"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第3會期內政委員會第19次全體委員會議（含秘密會議）紀錄","content":"一、處理114年度中央政府總預算有關內政部及所屬預算解凍案(密件部分)；二、邀請內政部部\n長率同所屬列席報告業務概況，並備質詢；三、處理、審查114年度中央政府總預算有關內政部\n及所屬預算解凍案(非密件部分)","agenda_id":"1144901_00005"}}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}