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？我們希望經濟部、公共工程委員會好好把這部分講清楚。我最後問一個問題，再給我1分鐘，這次4,100億元裡面有多少是內政部用的？"],["馬次長士元：跟委員報告，我們目前有50億元是針對老屋延壽的部分，另外我們也有搭配跟國防部有關國土強韌的部分。"],["鄭委員正鈐：50億元是老屋延壽的部分，不是一般公務預算就會做的，怎麼會在特別預算當中去講老屋延壽？"],["馬次長士元：我們公務預算有，但是我們目前對30年以上的高齡化老屋4到6層樓沒有結構疑慮的住宅，我們如果不快點做的話，事實上對我們國家整體的環境安全是有很大的影響。"],["鄭委員正鈐：因為特別預算是有特別目的使用，這次因為美國對等關稅，所以我們有個特別預算，我們不希望原本該在公務預算編列的，全部都灌水灌到特別預算裡面。"],["馬次長士元：跟委員報告，這不是灌水，因為這的確有急迫性，編到公務預算會來不及。"],["鄭委員正鈐：你講急迫性我就想到國防部都講急迫性，然後用得採限制性招標，這讓我們不得不想說現在行政部門是不是想要透過特別預算去達到一些非檯面上的目標，讓我們也不得不加強監督和質詢。謝謝，以上。"],["馬次長士元：謝謝委員。"],["主席：請黃珊珊委員質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":154,"meet_id":"聯席會議-11-3-19,20-1","speakers":["謝衣鳯","賴士葆","張啓楷","林岱樺","邱議瑩","林德福","張嘉郡","郭國文","陳亭妃","賴瑞隆","呂玉玲","李彥秀","鍾佳濱","李坤城","陳俊宇","林思銘","鄭正鈐","黃珊珊","鄭天財Sra 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