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築提出政策誘因必能加速推動都市更新並降低自災風險那麼大院王委員、鴻薇等16人李委員彥秀等16人擬具"},{"start":2434.054,"end":2449.709,"text":"大致上與行政院函請審議之《都市更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案》版本意旨接近,僅文字略有不同,均為保障民眾權益及促進參與都市更新的意願。原本不建議以行政院版本為審議基礎進行討論。"},{"start":2451.731,"end":2478.77,"text":"綜上說明請各位委員支持行政院提案之修正之都市更新條例並於本會期完成立法程序。同時本部也感謝王委員、李委員以及都會委員的提案。請供本部建議參考。那上請各位委員參考。謝謝大家。那也要再次跟大家拜託本案其實涉及到許多地方的都市更新特別是雙北地區所以懇請大院委員給予支持。謝謝。"},{"start":2481.288,"end":2492.717,"text":"好,謝謝董事長。各位委員,現在王鴻薇委員已經到了,我們是不是讓她提案說明一下?好,那請王鴻薇委員。"},{"start":2499.552,"end":2526.452,"text":"謝謝主席還有謝謝我們各位委員讓我來做補充說明我用最簡單的方式來跟大家報告這次為什麼在這個都市更新條例應該在進行做修法那大家都知道我們都更條例其實已經實施26年了但是呢整體來說特別在雙北地區的都更速度其實非常非常的緩半不但是牛步化其實是龜步化"},{"start":2528.333,"end":2534.597,"text":"二、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具《都市更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案》案。三、審查委員李彥秀等20人擬具《都市更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案》案。二、審查委員李彥秀等20人擬具《都市更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案》案。"},{"start":2551.167,"end":2555.252,"text":"二、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具《都市更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案》案。三、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具《都市更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案》案。"},{"start":2568.729,"end":2574.857,"text":"二、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具《都市更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案》案。三、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具《都市更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案》案。"},{"start":2584.429,"end":2597.212,"text":"是在容積管制實施之後才完工所以導致認定上產生了爭議所以為了保障更多的合法建物可以他們參與都更那麼對於容積率獎勵所以我們希望是將都更條例65條針對可以容積重建或申請容積獎勵為實施容積管制前"},{"start":2607.415,"end":2621.379,"text":"以新建完成的合法建物改為實施融資管之前已經申請建造的合法建物這樣把它預估起來也將近會有8216棟大概有27萬戶的受惠所以其實僅僅是這樣的一個改變就可以提高更多的度更誘因讓更多的"},{"start":2632.704,"end":2634.429,"text":"老舊建物可參與督更"},{"start":2641.462,"end":2665.941,"text":"好 謝謝王委員那我們現在進行詢答委員執行前原例做一下幾點宣告第一本會委員發言時間5分鐘必要時延長2分鐘非本會委員發言5分鐘上午10時30分截止發言登記那因為今天處理法案我們本次會議就不處理臨時提案請問各位委員有沒有意見"},{"start":2667.458,"end":2672.582,"text":"沒有齁好那我們現在進行詢答請登記第一位的蘇巧慧委員發言好謝謝主席那我們就請董次好好請董次本來想問部長啊但是董次也是專家"},{"start":2698.446,"end":2698.987,"text":"老舊屋舍更新速度"},{"start":2712.817,"end":2715.419,"text":"二、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具〈都市更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案案〉案。"},{"start":2743.257,"end":2743.857,"text":"都市更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案案"},{"start":2766.164,"end":2788.156,"text":"那所以被外界引誘為這個現在最熱門的金華城的爭議這邊竟然是說是由國土署出了函證明這件事情它的金華城的容積率是合法的我想聽聽看吳署長及董事內政部的國土署這邊你們對這封函的解釋是這樣嗎?你們已經就個案認為它合法了嗎?來請說明"},{"start":2795.54,"end":2815.768,"text":"感謝委員那其實那一天最主要大概在詢問的是有關容積率訂定的部分是那所以我們會把整個全國性的容積率獎勵的政策去做一個說明你們被詢問的是都市計畫容積管制及獎勵容積法源中央及地方法規事宜嗎"},{"start":2817.388,"end":2830.552,"text":"對,所以我們當然是希望因為從中央到地方都優先以訂定法規所以第一你希望中央跟地方都訂定法規對,所以是訂定在地方就當然是始於都市計畫的適應細則"},{"start":2832.353,"end":2835.956,"text":"二、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具第六十五條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具第六十五條條文修正草案案。"},{"start":2853.851,"end":2863.697,"text":"二、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具《都市更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案》案。三、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具《都市更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案》案。四、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具《都市更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案》案。"},{"start":2883.61,"end":2887.872,"text":"由各案來自行訂定。好 署長我也很認真的讀了你這個這張函的七大項那我同意你這張函裡面其實重點就是你說的第一你講的這個都市計畫這樣子的歷史脈絡"},{"start":2900.279,"end":2914.702,"text":"第二你認為確實因為一個大的都市計劃法下去之後要到各個地方要因地方質疑所以可以有台灣省的都市計劃實施細則但直轄市就由直轄市來訂定沒有錯由直轄市來訂定那麼我想請問現在直轄市哪一個我們這這麼多個台灣這麼多個直轄市裡面哪幾個有訂哪幾個沒訂"},{"start":2925.064,"end":2949.335,"text":"其實現在就是各個職業市都有細則那臺北市是屬於自治條例跟細則都有那所以都是分別要求他們在裡面去訂定這才叫做全市一體適用那你這邊也要求了各個地方政府要自行訂定之後其實你的六和七你應該把它寫得更清楚一點啊你的第六項和第七項、第六項"},{"start":2952.335,"end":2965.521,"text":"第七項裡面其實寫得很清楚啊是我們整個都市要能夠發展一定要有一個大的框架整體來規劃一個城市規劃了之後即便在城市裡面分區也會有分區的都市計畫沒錯然後你在分區的都市計畫下面"},{"start":2973.604,"end":2984.372,"text":"你才可以就每一個案件去決定它的樣態包括它的容積率上限等等所以導回來每一件個案不應該超越分區的計畫更不應該超越整個都市的計畫我的理解應該是這樣沒有錯吧"},{"start":2989.155,"end":2990.857,"text":"二、審查委員王鴻薇等17人擬具第六十五條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員王鴻薇等17人擬具第六十五條條文修正草案案。"},{"start":3009.318,"end":3011.739,"text":"對阿第七段你既然第六段是人應回歸第七段就寫不應阿不應該是個案這樣就不會有差別不會有這個解釋的空間了嘛不然現在媒體把你解釋說國土署出了一個函說這個個案是合理的是合法的我感覺這樣不會通啦"},{"start":3029.289,"end":3031.111,"text":"對,我們不針對個案解釋,我們只希望都市的發展應該有一個總量的管制。"},{"start":3045.529,"end":3046.15,"text":"二、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具"},{"start":3060.486,"end":3064.609,"text":"二、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具〈都市更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案案〉案。三、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具〈都市更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案案〉案。"},{"start":3090.345,"end":3114.51,"text":"可以加速,那你大概什麼時候會完成這個檢核、檢視並且下指令要求?我們會在一個月內就把它全部確認清楚好,一個月之內全部確認清楚每個直轄市是不是有適當的在施行施責或自治條例內訂定了這個通案原則一個月之內請提交報告到我們這個給我們辦公室甚至是內政委員會好,這是第一個部分"},{"start":3115.55,"end":3118.533,"text":"第二案如未經各黨團簽署第二案如未經各黨團簽署第二案如未經各黨團簽署"},{"start":3136.687,"end":3153.921,"text":"也開了會針對之前的幾項缺失您做了調整那我想請問這個政策方向如果改變要能夠直接上路的話應該要有要點訂定吧是董事什麼時候要點可以出來因為方向很好啊你也都支持啦我們在半年內就會完成"},{"start":3155.017,"end":3177.555,"text":"你是開完會的半年吧,不能從今天起出來半年吧,這樣又差兩個月了。這樣三個月啦,我來查去,三個月之內提出要點,你方向都已經有了嘛,三個月之內啦好不好,董事,這個部分要點麻煩,這個都市更新的貸款要點,既然已經有修正方向了,麻煩在三個月之內把要點訂定出來。好,謝謝董事。好,謝謝。謝謝委員。好,謝謝。"},{"start":3188.581,"end":3189.663,"text":"好,我們請麥育貞委員。謝謝主席。有請董事長。好,請董事。"},{"start":3212.656,"end":3232.114,"text":"市長好委員好有請教一下我們租宅租賃定型化企業改為實資實收可以房東有提供電費資訊的義務但是上個月陸續有地方政府"},{"start":3233.341,"end":3250.019,"text":"進行稽查市面上的販賣的市售租載租賃契約書還是舊的如何買到如果買到舊版簽約怎麼辦。第二個市長可不可以保證"},{"start":3252.101,"end":3269.893,"text":"雜數改善這件事情不要讓租客受到權益的搜尋還有除了定型企業之外本辦接到很多的陳情表示實施新的電費後房東變相漲價房租公共電費也上漲巧立明目將電費轉嫁到房客的負擔"},{"start":3280.089,"end":3298.166,"text":"知道我們次長知道這個事情嗎?知道,跟委員及各位委員報告首先第一個我們的市售契約書我們已經更新了那麼在本部的網站上面都有新的資料那我們也建議就是說相關的那個"},{"start":3298.926,"end":3324.834,"text":"我們的房客或者是房東如果買到舊的契約書可以從那個網站上面下載之後做一個修正這樣子這是無分那我們也要求相關的契約書他們應該要進行一些修正就是舊版的契約書他應該可以服貼做一些修正這個我們正在要求當中所以我們會有新的契約書即將趕快上市那我們在我們的網站上已經公佈我們新版的"},{"start":3325.094,"end":3330.316,"text":"二、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具《都市更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案》案。三、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具《都市更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案》案。"},{"start":3346.505,"end":3347.586,"text":"二、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具"},{"start":3368.537,"end":3380.021,"text":"二、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具第六十五條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具第六十五條條文修正草案案。四、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具第六十五條條文修正草案案。五、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具第六十五條條文修正草案案。五、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具第六十五條條文修正草案案。五、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具第六十五條條文修正草案案。五、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具第"},{"start":3395.866,"end":3404.055,"text":"但是房科也可以先是政府消保或者地政單位提出申訴或檢舉但是檢舉後房科身份就曝光了房東就說我不契約了這樣子的合理嗎?"},{"start":3412.415,"end":3413.055,"text":"二、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具"},{"start":3442.695,"end":3448.817,"text":"電費也漲價這樣的話就是很重要的一個民生問題所以租屋主已經很辛苦了不應該就是再剝削一成品我們要求就是市長這邊一定要加強稽查機稽查所以我們要如何加速社會住宅的改革還有合理負擔就是讓我們要租屋的生活壓力可以減少"},{"start":3472.363,"end":3481.887,"text":"法輔基金會法律資訊服務法律資訊服務法律資訊服務法輔基金會法輔基金會法輔基金會法輔基金會法輔基金會法輔基金會法輔基金會法輔基金會法輔基金會法輔基金會法輔基金會法輔基金會法輔基金會法輔基金會法輔基金會法輔基金會法輔基金會法輔基金會法輔基金會法輔基金會法輔基金會法輔基金會法輔基金會法輔基金會法輔基金會法輔基金會法輔基金會法輔基金會法輔基金會法輔基金會法輔基金會法輔基金會法�"},{"start":3492.011,"end":3496.693,"text":"二、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具第六十五條條文修正草案。三、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具第六十五條條文修正草案。二、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具第六十五條條文修正草案。"},{"start":3512.08,"end":3518.648,"text":"三、審查委員王鴻薇等17人擬具第六十五條條文修正草案案。四、審查委員王鴻薇等17人擬具第六十五條條文修正草案。五、審查委員王鴻薇等17人擬具第六十五條條文修正草案。六、審查委員王鴻薇等17人擬具第六十五條條文修正草案。"},{"start":3528.579,"end":3544.208,"text":"任性委員會沒有法源依據如果沒有立法根本不能動員更沒有預算的支出請問次長如何解決還有全社會防衛任性委員會的預算從哪裡來還有哪一個部會的編列請次長可以解釋嗎"},{"start":3551.191,"end":3553.414,"text":"民防法第1條明確規定為了有效運用民力發揮民間自衛自救的功能達到平時災防救護的狀態進行相關民防動員"},{"start":3567.228,"end":3588.157,"text":"那相關的民防動員的工作範圍包括搶救重大災害還有維持地方治安或者擔任民間自衛那整個的民防團體的組織是由直轄市還有相關的單位他會有所謂的民防總隊以及我們在特種的一些單位比方說公民營事業裡面他就有特種防護單位這些都是為了要保護"},{"start":3588.957,"end":3589.498,"text":"二、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具"},{"start":3605.713,"end":3617.996,"text":"講得很好,沒有法源的依據可以控制政府的預算嗎?有,我們有法源的依據,我們是民法,民法法裡面有明確的規定。我剛才跟委員解釋,民法法裡面有明確的規定,從民法法第一條第二條都有明確的說明。所以我是說你講得很好,所以說依據你講的,我要求說在一週內可以提出具體的報告。"},{"start":3633.2,"end":3641.688,"text":"讓我們了解詳細的規劃這樣的話是讓更多人去了解因為就要先聽你說而已我們會提供相關的資料我們繼續請徐域臻委員"},{"start":3662.954,"end":3665.947,"text":"謝謝主席我們是不是請董次長好請董次"},{"start":3675.775,"end":3702.677,"text":"市長早市長早市長我想請教您就是根據我們今年Q1的全台住宅平均屋齡已經達到32年那其中屋齡30年以上的比例就達51%50年以上的就101萬戶也就是兩間平均兩間就一間是30年以上的這個老房子那請問一下對於老房子的重建我們現在的政策是什麼"},{"start":3703.848,"end":3706.211,"text":"二、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具《都市更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案》案。三、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具"},{"start":3721.124,"end":3737.595,"text":"那請問一下因為其實採用危老條例之後多更可能就更加困難了為什麼因為危老條例並沒有限制這個改建的這個基地面積對不對對所以說像現在台南就有一個就是9.13坪的建築面積重建"},{"start":3738.295,"end":3743,"text":"二、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具《都市更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案》案。三、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具《都市更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案》案。"},{"start":3759.817,"end":3781.051,"text":"首先跟委員報告小面積的建築我們當然會檢討但是它其實也是屬於條例符合的內容我們也鼓勵相關的建物其實當初在制定的時候就是希望說有一些降低一些那個都更的門檻讓真正危險的房子他們有機會能夠有重建的機會這是小面積的那個"},{"start":3782.701,"end":380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大家到處拍照頂著這次開明颱風來齁真的它這火水量可以說是落幾年這兩三天落幾年份的啦"},{"start":4749.983,"end":4763.95,"text":"阿黨很多區域,各黨這個農田也好,枕頭也好,黨市來也好,都總有做成運輸的過分。阿請問我們這個下水道的工程清瘀,這是我們國土署的業務嗎?下水道清瘀?我們有補助我們地方政府,阿有一些地方政府自己要主編的。阿我們這樣做起來,你覺得那個署長在這裡,你覺得那個效益怎樣?"},{"start":4780.541,"end":4787.683,"text":"國務委員報告,在修正的這個請索,這是絕對是最好的一個做法,可以檢討很多我們稍未搞的這個問題的戰線。國務委員報告,我們每一年會前大概二、三個時分都會接到政府來。當然現在我們有可能,像我們在地比較大的問題來說,因為國土組織平時,府籍都起來,"},{"start":4807.691,"end":4818.44,"text":"但是我們也知道整個系統處理到外面它有可能是屬於我們這個地方自己管的大牌或是說中央管的這個河川所以雖然這就是說整體系統性我是覺得說可以繼續加強它主要差別在這裡如果沒有都市界會來補分這十多年來其實是好過不來的對啦 聽說這個外資系統它要需要整體的工廠改善不然清瑜這是非常重要是"},{"start":4837.335,"end":4844.36,"text":"像我們整體性油,我們這個出水口,從旁邊到出水口這個整體性的清衣像我過去黨員頂到,我們後面的店是金閣婚姻館地理的大鄉店的鄉店市啦,鄉店市就是地理的大的啦,林口手地理的大我們一年的這個清衣銷水道的清衣工程經費一年當時30萬的啦"},{"start":4866.095,"end":4869.497,"text":"二、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具第六十五條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具第六十五條條文修正草案案。五、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具第六十五條條文修正草案案。"},{"start":4887.006,"end":4890.128,"text":"二、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具 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第一是政府的嘛應該是未來要去的時候 要賣的時候 會比我們普通的健康對 我了解你講的意思還要想嘛是啦 如果公判都綱李彥秀應該是這樣對不對跟李彥秀就不是這樣啦我了解所以我想為自己是這麼多人 那如果我問的時候 我也找幾句 哈哈哈哈"},{"start":5684.781,"end":5692.443,"text":"怎麼會這樣呢?因為一般你要給他都檢公辦的,就是我們的廚房的介紹不能夠那麼廣嘛!但是你知道嗎?12月7日第11屆有中環廟室以來,都檢公辦的在12月7日。"},{"start":5706.71,"end":5712.351,"text":"市長這很大的問題我們希望地方會更進步地方可以更好我也認同你剛才說的整個地方都在更老的地方都在更大條的地方但畢竟他的地是公共的他們不應該介紹是這樣因為時間"},{"start":5732.295,"end":5732.876,"text":"主席,我們請黃介委員"},{"start":5765.117,"end":5769.786,"text":"好謝謝主席我們請部長跟那個郭突署署長好請部長跟署長"},{"start":5780.07,"end":5800.815,"text":"部長辛苦了剛剛參加那個防災會議希望接下來一切順利啦希望大家都可以防台平安那首先先請教一下部長因為其實在三天前我們立法院有一位同事他在臉書上發了一個我們國土署回函給他的公文這個在講什麼他在講說"},{"start":5803.496,"end":5824.845,"text":"經華城給的這個20%的容積獎勵其實是在我們國土署認可的合法的範圍內。我不知道他這樣的解釋是你們國土署的意思嗎?因為他在裡面很明確的提到說我們國土署有寫到說避免就特定或單一對象針對細部計劃創設獎勵的項目規定。國土署的回文確實有寫到這一條。"},{"start":5830.407,"end":5856.816,"text":"但他說避免不是禁止避免不是禁止所以代表可以代表合法是這樣子嗎我們尊重個別委員在我們對於國土署所提供的這個相關法律規定上面的說法但是呢站在我們內政部或者是國土署的立場上面第一個我們只提供通案法律規定上面的一個解釋跟說明"},{"start":5857.336,"end":5885.717,"text":"那對於各案不介入尤其是已經是進入偵查的階段但是我希望黃委員可以給我們國都署的署長就他提供給個別委員上面的通案規定再跟委員做一下詳細的說明這個脈絡一定要講清楚會特別在這邊提是因為你們回函的這個公文白紙黑字不要變成單一個案的合法的背書變成到時候法庭上他們拿來依據的"},{"start":5886.777,"end":5902.735,"text":"這樣的一個證據也感謝委員的詢問因為他所來函的當然是希望就針對這整個容積率獎勵的一個規定希望我們提供一些說明所以我們也把過去容積率獎勵從全國通案性"},{"start":5903.255,"end":5919.88,"text":"的一個概念去找地方政府一起來溝通但是很重要的是要求地方政府要放到自己的施行細則或者是自治條例裡面作為詮釋性的通用的一個原則所以這一點呢"},{"start":5920.78,"end":5945.861,"text":"所以不管後面的個案是怎麼申請我們裡面有提到均因回歸主要計畫還有細則或自治條例的規定這個前提很重要嘛對,不管怎樣都應該要這樣所以最後一段才會補上避免要針對單一個案去做處理所以都是用這樣的脈絡我想我們歷年來在處理所有的地方政府的提案都是用這樣的方式在進行"},{"start":5946.556,"end":5974.822,"text":"所以今天特別在這邊問是希望說內政部在針對這樣子的文字說明的時候一定要把整段的這整個脈絡講清楚然後我們給予容積獎勵的原則到底是什麼這個也一定要非常非常明白甚至是我認為你們應該要具體的建議說地方自己在定自治條例或是施行細則的時候這些原則性的東西到底針對哪一些條件都應該要講清楚才對是嗎"},{"start":5975.444,"end":5994.25,"text":"是跟委員報告因為地方政府在訂定相關的細則或自治條例的時候他也必須要送到內政部這邊來報備那我們都會在這報備的過程當中如果有這個文字上不清楚或是定義上沒有清楚的我們都一定會要求重新定義清楚我們才能夠通過"},{"start":5994.892,"end":6014.309,"text":"好 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雄市的這些包含容積的這些獎勵等等你是非常嚴格的把關針對於歷史建築保存或者是有公共建設交通設施或者是有綠建築或者是有社宅或者是有都跟計劃區域"},{"start":7151.127,"end":7174.383,"text":"的這些我們才可能給予相關的這些隆基的獎勵那我在國土署這一份公文裡面其實我看不到這個商業空間有任何以上的這一些隆基獎勵的這一些基礎但是我卻看到台北市政府是給予任性城市智慧城市移居城市的這個獎勵的這些隆獎我是覺得蠻奇怪的"},{"start":7179.96,"end":7182.564,"text":"那這一個相關的包含國土署這邊給"},{"start":7186.175,"end":7212.913,"text":"立法院的這個公文說避免就單一或特定或單一對象於西部設計計畫的這些規定的項目我想這幾句話不是對行政部門講的這幾句話第一個是在騙民眾第二個應該是在跟檢察官以及法官講的說避免不等於禁止這個如果在我們上一個會期通過的反質詢以及藐視國會項目裡面"},{"start":7215.094,"end":7244.185,"text":"如果用這一個公文來質詢吳行修署長吳行修署長你可能就是藐視國會啊你知道嗎所以我在這邊也很感謝剛剛幾位委員那也給署長這邊很清楚的說明那我也說明一下為什麼請部長上來就是在你在高雄市政府任內我們所爭取的這個眷村文化保留園區裡面目前也正進行一個文化眷村都更文化眷村都更在做什麼就是把"},{"start":7245.151,"end":7262.597,"text":"高雄海軍眷村文化保留園區我們把緯六路以北目前都沒有開發的區域來跟民間來合作希望可以作為開發而開發所獲得的資金可以來保存緯六路以南"},{"start":7263.357,"end":7287.386,"text":"這一些相關的眷村文化保留園區高度的保存它現貌而且可以加以修繕這個是高雄市政府目前跟國防部以及跟文化部、文化局正在進行的這一個工作那我們也會繼續的來投入在部長以前曾經做過很多努力在這邊也跟部長做一個報告"},{"start":7289.715,"end":7314.651,"text":"委員你講的沒有錯各項容積獎勵它第一個基礎就是要有必要性跟公益性所謂的必要性跟公益性譬如說這是一個危險的地方或者這是一個環境敏感的地方然後再來就是說必要性跟公益性非常的重要譬如說高雄市很早以前比台北市更早獲得移居城市但是就我所知道高雄市的都市計畫委員會"},{"start":7314.991,"end":7319.535,"text":"二、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具《都市更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案》案。第三、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具《都市更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案》案。四、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具《都市更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具"},{"start":7340.151,"end":7354.93,"text":"一定要符合必要性跟公益性公益性這三個字非常的重要如果它是商業性的話第一個大部分的都市計劃委員包括是官方或會官方或學者專家通常會同意的比例不會太高"},{"start":7355.33,"end":7377.755,"text":"今天其實也有三個直轄市的這個都發局的同仁在這裡這個也作為日後的參考那直轄市當然是可以有核定相關的這一些都市計畫但是如果沒有符合剛剛講的這一些未來還是會被受到挑戰的而且這個有釋法性的問題另外最後想要再對"},{"start":7379.395,"end":7396.074,"text":"未來可能在住宅法裡面有這些相關公辦都跟以及這個社會住宅的時候都可以納入附近的這些可能必須要安置的住戶的這些空間那我們會未來在住宅法裡面做一個修法"},{"start":7396.774,"end":7415.144,"text":"讓租屋中心未來的這些不管是社會住宅或者是未來的產業住宅包含高雄舊左宗以及中油宿舍區域等等的這些居民有安置的作用以有安置的效果我們會後之後會提出住宅法的這些討論謝謝謝謝委員對左南地區的關心謝謝好我們請吳清明委員"},{"start":7432.264,"end":7435.607,"text":"主席、議會同仁、其他內政部部長"},{"start":7442.274,"end":7454.843,"text":"吳委員你好部長我看以前很多人都在關心這個國土法是的因為在我們每年的四月三十就要上路但是現在地方也是有聲音啦我相信要還有很多的官司"},{"start":7458.565,"end":7472.64,"text":"第二案如未經各黨團簽署第二案如未經各黨團簽署第二案如未經各黨團簽署第三案如未經各黨團簽署第三案如未經各黨團簽署第三案如未經各黨團簽署第三案如未經各黨團簽署第三案如未經各黨團簽署第三案如未經各黨團簽署第三案如未經各黨團簽署第三案如未經各黨團簽署第三案如未經各黨團簽署第三案如未經各黨團簽署第三案如未經各黨團簽署第三案如未經各黨團簽署第三案如未經各黨團簽署第三案如未經各黨團簽署第三案如未經各黨團簽署第三案如未經各黨團"},{"start":7473.901,"end":7474.802,"text":"二、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具"},{"start":7492.16,"end":7499.507,"text":"二、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具《都市更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案》案。三、審查委員李彥秀等20人擬具《都市更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案》案。"},{"start":7514.221,"end":7516.442,"text":"三、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具:「都市更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案案。」案。"},{"start":7531.869,"end":7533.17,"text":"三、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具〈都市更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案案〉案"},{"start":7555.91,"end":7565.958,"text":"內政部、農業部或其他經濟部,但是地方政府也要負責一部分責任。例如我很多人說,你說的國保一、國保二或農一、農二等等這些委訓,大部分都是經濟管理政務所提出的國土計劃法做功能分區圖。"},{"start":7576.766,"end":7579.247,"text":"二、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具〈都市更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案案〉案。三、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具〈都市更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案》案。"},{"start":7596.731,"end":7600.972,"text":"必須經過公展或討論程序。當然當中有些人特別操作,有些人很清楚委員同樣非常關心,所以我們同樣會從善如流。陳柏妤的部分是說,第一,農業部現在要提出一些修改的法令和法案,現在正在"},{"start":7615.256,"end":7620.797,"text":"二、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具〈都市更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案案〉案。三、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具〈都市更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案案〉案"},{"start":7644.301,"end":7653.668,"text":"第二案如未經各黨團簽署第二案如未經各黨團簽署第二案如未經各黨團簽署第三案如未經各黨團簽署第三案如未經各黨團簽署第三案如未經各黨團簽署第三案如未經各黨團簽署第三案如未經各黨團簽署第三案如未經各黨團簽署第三案如未經各黨團簽署第三案如未經各黨團簽署第三案如未經各黨團簽署第三案如未經各黨團簽署第三案如未經各黨團簽署第三案如未經各黨團簽署第三案如未經各黨團簽署第三案如未經各黨團簽署第三案如未經各黨團簽署第三案如未經各黨團"},{"start":7668.74,"end":7687.71,"text":"其實以臺灣應付這個環境或者是氣候變遷我們有很多其實已經破碎的國土或是已經環境敏感地區我們很希望未來國土計劃裡面有一個叫做永續發展基金可以趕快進去來做一個比較好的復育計劃你如果不通過這個復育計劃就越往後沿我想這也是兩邊要做很好的拼勾跟審慎評估的部分"},{"start":7693.854,"end":7712.511,"text":"好,謝謝,謝謝柏中,因為我們是國土的保育,還有我們的永續發展但是有很多,你說,在他們的前置作業,也是我們地方政府所規劃,不管國保一、國保二、國保三但是這很多民眾,他們不瞭解,不瞭解的都是,這就中央到底在怎麼樣"},{"start":7715.433,"end":7716.194,"text":"二、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具"},{"start":7730.826,"end":7732.248,"text":"主席主席主席主席"},{"start":7752.349,"end":7756.511,"text":"審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具:「都市更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案案。」案"},{"start":7773.756,"end":7801.234,"text":"但是因為臺灣是在地層帶上面但是它的防證系數一定要提高這一點是本省最關心的是啊,感謝委員其實這次我們也是因為電影政府有歡迎我們有重心檢討這幾年我們這個股市的這個更新的速度其實有部分受到我們過去這個法條上不夠清楚造成一些限制的部分"},{"start":7802.575,"end":7826.388,"text":"我想這次提案出來就是說希望把這個容積率實施之前,它有清照的,它已經清照了,就不用再管理說是不是,但是進展已經完成,因為畢竟每一個縣市是四個泥河沒空,泥漢沒空,那時候要執行國際形象的困擾。所以這個部分我們在這次重申如理的時候,既然地方也感覺有這個實施性的困擾的時候,這樣不如就來修法,讓這幾個大樓,"},{"start":7830.59,"end":7853.842,"text":"可以加速進行渡耕因為我們很多在尤其在雙北我們的都市更新、我們的維羅超過30年還是集中在雙北這個地方所以說這個條例通過是對雙北栽培維羅、老舊房子推動的速度會更快這點我們希望這回我們這個委員會這裡可以來代理及其"},{"start":7858.197,"end":7872.306,"text":"二、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具第六十五條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具第六十五條條文修正草案案。二、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具第六十五條條文修正草案案。第三、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具第六十五條條文修正草案案。四、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具第六十五條條條文修正草案案。五、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具第六十五條條條文修正草案案。六、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬"},{"start":7887.864,"end":7916.234,"text":"阿,請部長。阿,劉委員你好。部長早安啦。早。這個這一次我們修正這個都更條例第六十五條啊,這個把實施容積管之前已經申請建造。並於實施容積管之後才興建完成的合法建築物納入這個都更獎勵容積的範圍之內。目標當然是為了提高民眾參與都更的意願。這個立法的目的本其實是贊同嘛。"},{"start":7916.434,"end":7930.87,"text":"因為目標是要推進都市更新的進度這個當然沒有問題因為當初在容積管制機制上路之前他其實是超過到後來都市計畫規範的這個人那實際上入住的人本來就比較多嘛那因為有交換的問題嘛所以你當然要"},{"start":7931.391,"end":7956.288,"text":"以入住的人為核心去規劃這個政策這個目的跟方向本期是理解不過本期也要在這個地方提醒我們的中央單位要從嚴把關因為其實近年來這個很多的學界也好或者一些公民團體其實對於這個都更的容積獎勵機制其實有提出很多的批評指教包含是不是每一個獎勵的項目都符合公益性、公平性、合理性、整體性等等這樣子的一些狀況"},{"start":7958.03,"end":7983.168,"text":"當然你今天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署長好剛才我看部長跟李昆城委員一搭一唱就是針對我們現在退回總預算的部分部長也擔任過很久的立法委員請問一下現在退回總預算請問一下我們有沒有刪除預算現在是退回程序委員會而不是退回行政院所以不一樣所以有沒有刪除"},{"start":9301.431,"end":9326.711,"text":"既然沒有討論,不可能做任何的其他的決議。沒錯,所以沒有刪除。而且呢,我們退回是希望針對這個原名補償條例的法定預算的部分。因為立法院不能做增加預算的決議嘛。我想部長當委員那麼久應該非常清楚。然後我覺得李昆城委員也算是他腦筋是清楚的。他特別問了部長說哪些新計劃會受到影響。"},{"start":9331.235,"end":9348.669,"text":"部長也應該非常清楚即使預算沒有通過凡是延續性的預算它仍然可以照這個年度明年度可以照上一個年度來執行部長不會連這件事情都搞不清楚吧謝謝委員指教"},{"start":9350.004,"end":9374.577,"text":"所以我講的沒有錯沒有 我想跟委員報告一下如果要延續的部分的話是人事費跟延續的計劃跟業務費對 所以所有延續性的而非新興的計劃實際上不受任何的如果有增加預算規模的話也是必須要經過大院同意才可以有增加的部分所以只要是延續性的其實是不受影響我想請署長也一起來"},{"start":9378.319,"end":9378.559,"text":"主席主席"},{"start":9395.287,"end":9402.89,"text":"二、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具 «都市更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案》案。三、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具《都市更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案》案。四、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具《都市更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具"},{"start":9423.78,"end":9432.387,"text":"我們擔心的是違老的部分恐怕它就越來越沒有用因所以我要請問部長還有請教這個署長針對有關違老的部分我記得我在上個會期也針對這個問題有詢問過我們違老條例的這個落日條款還有這個容積獎勵的這個它越來越低我們有沒有一些研議跟補正檢討的一個措施"},{"start":9450.184,"end":9463.058,"text":"感謝委員大概分兩個部分因為之前所謂的10成獎勵其實它相對來講比較沒有要付出其他的這樣的一個公益措施所以當時的10成獎勵就一直討論不應該再延長"},{"start":9465.2,"end":9486.492,"text":"但是我們相對是鼓勵危老的規模要擴大所以是用規模獎勵來代替逐年來代替這個10成獎勵這是第一個啦當然第二個就是說危老其實他當時設定了10年的這個條款就是都落日但是其實外界的反應都很我說明一下因為落日這件事情呢"},{"start":9487.473,"end":9487.813,"text":"主席主席主席主席"},{"start":9513.354,"end":9541.668,"text":"那我請問一下部長剛才也有很多的委員在關心那麼你說宮廟呢未來不會放彈藥軍火那請問一下我們在這個這次的全民防衛任性這個委員會找了非常多的這個宗教團體包含教會包含中廟那請問一下未來我們宗教組織他們的功能是什麼不放軍火要放什麼"},{"start":9542.949,"end":9553.478,"text":"報告委員我想您還是誤解了齁在內政部所主管的部分就是在災害救護這是我們目前最大的功能跟最大的任務那災害救護的部分呢後續一定會有收容安置跟撤離這幾項過去包括我們的921大地震等等這些後續的很多災民的部分這個可是原來宗教都在做啦"},{"start":9563.948,"end":9565.289,"text":"二、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具《都市更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案》案。"},{"start":9586.747,"end":9591.028,"text":"二、審查委員王鴻薇等17人擬具《都市更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案》案。三、審查委員王鴻薇等17人擬具《都市更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案》案。"},{"start":9609.054,"end":9615.624,"text":"我不清楚委員所指的是什麼在我們的任務裡面就是維持我們的收容安置跟撤離的功德他必須要能夠他如果是開放空間的話所用的其他的法源基礎並不在內政部的管轄範圍內"},{"start":9624.938,"end":9625.298,"text":"二、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具"},{"start":9644.423,"end":9648.689,"text":"二、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具《都市更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案》案。"},{"start":9664.087,"end":9664.267,"text":"主席主席主席"},{"start":9693.012,"end":9693.052,"text":"黃建豪議員"},{"start":9710.798,"end":9734.523,"text":"黃源你好部長好部長好今天主要大家討論我們這個都更條65條的修正草的修正案那當然本席看了這個相關條文當然非常非常的支持因為我想這對於921那段尷尬的時間新建的房子讓他們參與都市更新他是正面有鼓勵的這個方向但是本席還是要問一下這個問題就是說這個都市更新則這個獎勵容積的部分因為後續"},{"start":9735.663,"end":9737.304,"text":"二、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具《都市更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案》案"},{"start":9753.618,"end":9761.146,"text":"二、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具《都市更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案》案。三、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具《都市更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案》案。四、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具《都市更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案》案。"},{"start":9777.162,"end":9800.928,"text":"那所以到全責主管機關是私人還是公用那當然最核心問題還是簽上錢的問題誰來管理誰來保養這個部長您怎麼看委員您剛已經提到了這個公共空間裡面的產權是屬於私人的話就是表示是屬於私人的是屬於社區的但是怎麼樣讓它維持它是個公共空間開放的部分確實在管理上面的會出現很多的挑戰跟困境我想您長久服務在"},{"start":9802.728,"end":9806.051,"text":"二、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具〈都市更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具〈都市更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案案〉案。"},{"start":9829.89,"end":9830.731,"text":"二、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具"},{"start":9846.625,"end":9874.237,"text":"過去的地方政府都比較熟悉一個做法就把他納到這個公益大廈的管理維護基金但是就會像他所擔憂的他可能在使用的順序上對於管委會來講他並不是優先項目所以這個部分需不需要來做這個專款專用的一個規定這個部分我們就會找地方政府在討論部長部長我的建議是這樣因為這個都更的這個都更條例他的榮獎出來他的機制講白了這件事情出來之後最大的獲利者不一定是市民"},{"start":9874.757,"end":9897.294,"text":"最大會的可能是協助都更的這個建商啊所以我想在未來相關條例裡面應該讓建商有他的責任跟義務他現在的現行法律當然對於公共大會管理條例他第一個階段管理會成立前他要撥款到這個管理會裡面去那未來呢未來的部分我建議是說這個都更獎勵建商從這邊獲得的利潤應該要分配到所謂的基金裡面"},{"start":9898.155,"end":9912.35,"text":"讓他專款專用到後續的維護管理讓這個容積獎勵他能夠真正的發揮所謂的公平性跟公義性不要說我反正蓋完賣給你之後全面做管理會的事情那管理會跟周邊社區如果不愉快的話那也跟建商沒關係但問題是建商你把錢賺走了"},{"start":9913.191,"end":9940.777,"text":"他今天他能夠獲得容積獎勵他能夠蓋更多的房子他能夠把容積蓋得更高賺更多錢但結果他後續沒有踏實期所以我想這個從公平原則來講的話是不是可以讓相關這個精神放進這個所謂的專款專要的這個條款裡面甚至放進公益大廈管理條例裡面部長這個我們會來找地方政府再來討論就希望很明確的要求他們把它訂到相關的規定裡面去處理當然如果有需要在公益大廈管理條例裡面去落實的話這個我們也會來處理"},{"start":9942.637,"end":9943.218,"text":"二、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具"},{"start":9949.193,"end":9973.179,"text":"現在要做都市更新的地方都是所謂的老舊市區嘛原則上都這樣吧老舊市區最面臨最現實的停車場停車位不足現有的這些建築物裡面所以過去你們是把它放在這個建築規則裡面讓地方政府自己去訂定相關的容積獎勵訂定相關的這個規範但是如果今天65條通過之後我想很多的老舊建物他們也能夠納入這個"},{"start":9974.419,"end":9975.059,"text":"二、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具"},{"start":9989.787,"end":10008.088,"text":"跟委員報告啦,因為現行的建管的規定,各縣大概都差不多,尤其會透過交評的部分來做處理,所以通常它是至少都一戶一車位這樣的方式來訂立,有的甚至會訂的更高,那這些其實都已經有在落實當中啦。"},{"start":10008.408,"end":10009.269,"text":"第二案如未經各黨團簽署"},{"start":10024.164,"end":10025.646,"text":"第二案如未經各黨團簽署第二案如未經各黨團簽署"},{"start":10042.506,"end":10043.566,"text":"第二案如未經各黨團簽署第二案如未經各黨團簽署第二案如未經各黨團簽署"},{"start":10059.673,"end":10082.713,"text":"通常這個就是我們在會找地方政府討論因為有一些的確他會變成說未來是作為獎勵也就是說我獎勵你蓋更多的停車位去出租或什麼那這個未來這個部分地方政府就要視他們在地的情形看他是不是要納到都更的獎勵項目或是說他會額外的獎勵或是額外的要求這個部分我們會好我們時間到了我們在後續再跟你討論謝謝部長謝謝署長主席謝謝"},{"start":10088.649,"end":10099.796,"text":"好 我們請齊小新委員謝謝主席 我們也一樣請部長好 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«都市更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案》案。三、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具《都市更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案》案。二、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具"},{"start":10809.224,"end":10814.525,"text":"二、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具《都市更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案》案。三、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具《都市更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案》案。"},{"start":10832.537,"end":10860.582,"text":"二零三一年底啦才能夠完工十萬戶啦那賴清德總統的那個社會住宅的目標不算包住貸款不算租金補貼是多少是他就是十二再加十三二十五嘛對結果他任內預計完工七萬戶平均每年不到一萬戶照這種目標我直接跟你說啦你要達成二十五萬戶社會社會住宅目標一年一萬戶請問你知道賴清德要做幾年總統"},{"start":10863.646,"end":10870.329,"text":"二、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具:「都市更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案案。」案。二、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具:「都市更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案。」案。"},{"start":10893.658,"end":10920.354,"text":"你在整個所謂的那個居住正義的那個資源配置上你應該看到新聞了嘛最大佔比就是租金補貼嘛發錢我當然知道大家開心也容易啦社會住宅確實是一件比較難的工作可是當你的絕大資源幾百億都是花在租金補貼的時候你社會住宅的資源就被排擠嘛就減縮嘛我希望能夠把社會住宅的這件事情還是把它當作一個優先政策啦以上謝謝"},{"start":10926.038,"end":10927.659,"text":"好我們請張啟凱委員請部長委員你好"},{"start":10956.068,"end":10976.835,"text":"二十六號啊,賴總統開了這個全社會防衛任性的委員會他說要培訓40萬可視的民力目標之一就是必要的時候要支援軍事行動但是現在主要的目標是維持社會穩定跟民生運作"},{"start":10978.041,"end":10998.047,"text":"按照民防法的第一個要務是維持政府的功能跟社會穩定是我們民防法的最大的功能有備而來喔來啦我先問你啦故意想跟你講的到底有一樣嗎故意想說一旦情勢如果嚴峻的時候當然要去支援軍事作戰嘛是的在民防法裡面有這樣子的規範我要跟委員報告一下"},{"start":10999.287,"end":11015.158,"text":"顧立雄他的鎖本是因為全民防衛動員法那我的鎖本呢是在於災害救治法以及民防法還有替代役的管理條例我這三個法律呢都是我們在執行的過程當中我現在問你的是說你們兩個講的東西有一樣嗎?一體的兩面那這樣會不會變成替代役啦、議銷啦、議警銷啦民間團體都要上戰場?還會不會?"},{"start":11028.632,"end":11051.255,"text":"要看習近平的態度嗎?不是,我想你非常清楚你現在所知道的民防法的部分包括民防人力的訓練或者我們新增叫做民間的防災式的訓練或者是設施的訓練或者是義難的訓練現在都在訓練而且長久以來因為張委員也服貨兵役嘛"},{"start":11052.875,"end":11068.941,"text":"你現在已經可能過了啦,我是說原來你也是屬於後備軍人,可能是後備軍人,所以現在都在訓練,但是因應大規模的天災,譬如說日本他有南海海潮,他們可以一下子就可以把整個的我現在問你的同感,你的意思是進入什麼狀況下會全部都要上戰場?"},{"start":11076.263,"end":11077.263,"text":"二、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具"},{"start":11095.691,"end":11096.192,"text":"二、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具"},{"start":11115.075,"end":11115.856,"text":"民眾看起來不贊成這個政策"},{"start":11130.851,"end":11131.172,"text":"報告委員我們前兩天才報告"},{"start":11147.355,"end":11171.239,"text":"所以現在要怎麼宣傳我還是跟大家講一下因為我看到在大規模的天災的時候所有的人都投入也不分黨派不分老少所以這個是臺灣最重要的我們的一個保全國力的重要的人的規模那既然是這樣的話我們讓他更專業化可以知道說如果發生狀況的時候你要去哪個地方可以做更好的垂直跟很好的聯繫我想這是非常的好的我看下一張"},{"start":11176.633,"end":11197.229,"text":"總統講完之後,不想參加的有超過七成,這是台灣的民意嘛。我還要向委員報告,這樣子的民調資料呢,我是覺得太衝突。為什麼呢?因為第一個,它沒有經過好好的完整的溝通。就好像說我們在總統公佈這樣子的一個全社會防衛任性之後,然後媒體馬上就有不同的聲音。"},{"start":11199.711,"end":11201.513,"text":"二、審查委員王鴻薇等20人擬具:「都市更新條例第六十五條條文修正草案案。」案。"},{"start":11225.725,"end":11234.793,"text":"好了來來我們看一下再下一張下一張一百一十二年度我去看這個你們的資料吼御用的警察人士的統計吼七千五百人"},{"start":11236.175,"end":11261.544,"text":"年齡高達50歲以上然後如果是義勇這個消防人員47到48這個投入到戰場去會不會年紀偏大報告委員我還是一再強調沒有所謂的投入戰場現在義勇警察就是要協助警察在維持社會治安所以他在訓練的時候呢怎麼樣加強治安上面應該有的技巧譬如說現在技巧跟30年前警察不一樣嗎來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來"},{"start":11265.945,"end":11268.088,"text":"外圍圈這個任務,40萬的這個名利是要警戒嗎?你要給他什麼裝備?就是這40萬的這個名利"},{"start":11281.701,"end":11297.078,"text":"你準備做什麼訓練裝備是什麼報告委員這個就不能夠一體試用第一個有的是正規的警察跟消防有的是義消跟消防有的是民防有的甚至是民間團體"},{"start":11298.319,"end":11299.58,"text":"第二案如未經各黨團簽署第二案如未經各黨團簽署第三案如未經各黨團簽署"},{"start":11319.775,"end":11334.661,"text":"有嘛齁?你剛才講那些...你剛才不是說每一個都不一樣?那你怎麼訓練?他有功能上面的分組第一個,我們有提到...那你能不能依照你所謂的功能的分組你給他什麼裝備、什麼訓練?好,報告委員我們有民防訓練...我們有民防訓練、防災室訓練然後還有那個義男的訓練跟備役義男的訓練在法令以外你剛才講的非常完備嘛,對不對?我們希望是大家能夠團結一致..."},{"start":11346.585,"end":11369.378,"text":"就說一般民眾聽到要有40萬的名利他們他們要想要很明確不是要有40萬的名利現在就有40萬他會不會被納到裡面去然後他要被做什麼樣的訓練嘛我的要求很簡單等於你剛才說的嘛你都有規定了嘛那你就是哪些人可能在哪一個我們有些官方有規定但是有些民間團體是要去拜託對 要去拜託好啦 你要不要一個禮拜你看要怎麼訓練裝備什麼給我啦好不好 可以嗎好 好 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