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針對第11屆第2會期第3次會議一事成草案提議增列討論事項三案如下列表是否有當進行公決本院國民大黨團 針對本院民進黨黨團"},{"start":6322.775,"end":6337.085,"text":"針對：第11屆第1會期第22次會議報告事項：第17案委員：翁曉琳等17人理據信法訴訟法對四條台灣修正草案：第19案：台灣民眾黨黨團理據融資公司法草案：第33案"},{"start":6338.346,"end":6355.528,"text":"委員陳永康的26年離去﹐國際安全障礙法草案約會所宣誓決定提出復議﹐是否由動請公決案提請在列為本第3次會議討論事項以案順序涉全議事數排列﹐是否由動進行公決宣讀完畢"},{"start":6361.274,"end":6378.281,"text":"好我們宣讀完畢請我們的委員是不是能夠就位回到位置我們請各位委員就位我們要處理討論事項請問院會對台灣民眾黨黨團國民黨黨團之提議有無異議有異議我們進行表決"},{"start":6393.888,"end":6414.663,"text":"有沒有異議沒有異議剛剛聽到有再確認有無異議沒有異議無異議本提議照案通過本次會議議事日程討論事項照台灣民眾黨黨團國民黨黨團提議通過本次會議議事日程確定"},{"start":6427.188,"end":6434.019,"text":"發言委員現在進行報告事項請秘書長宣讀第二會期第二次會議意思錄"},{"start":6435.788,"end":6444.692,"text":"宣讀立法案第11屆第2會期第2次會議．事由．時間中華民國113年9月27日上午9時至9時17分時時至10時24分下午2時30分至5時22分10月1日上午9時1分至10時25分下午2時30分至5時17分地點本院議場出席委員陳委員昭志等112人請教委員林委員帶話出席委員列席官員"},{"start":6465.751,"end":6485.882,"text":"行政院院長卓榮泰等40人主席院長韓國瑜副院長江啟臣報告事項第一案宣讀北院第11屆第2會期第一次會議事後決定確定第二、五至174179至183案均決定交互相關委員會審查或交互相關委員會第三案決定進戶報讀並由國民黨黨團負責召集協商"},{"start":6495.765,"end":6518.96,"text":"第4案決定競合組與相關提案並且協商第175至178均決定並114年度中央政府總議算案處理第184案委員事處所提示報告案執行事項本院委員執行部份9件對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢決定下次會議繼續進行施政報告之執行討論事項第一案決議"},{"start":6526.085,"end":6533.149,"text":"令定其處理其他事項國民黨黨團提出會議詢問一案宣讀完畢"},{"start":6546.372,"end":6575.718,"text":"發言委員：針對第二會期第二次會議．事由．並無委員．或黨團提出錯誤或遺漏之處做以下之決定第二會期第二次會議．事由．確定發言委員．陳委員超明聲明對剛才表決與國民黨黨團意見一致列入公報紀錄發言委員．現在處理增列部分"},{"start":6576.882,"end":6577.683,"text":"請宣讀第一案"},{"start":6590.134,"end":6591.776,"text":"請問院會有無異議．無異議通過請問院會有無異議．無異議通過"},{"start":6608.888,"end":6638.354,"text":"第3案 本院委員邱若驊的實際人力巨兒童青少年福利與權益保障法第23條及第31條之一條文修正財務請審議案議事處意見 您請回交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 宣讀完畢無異議通過第4案 本院委員邱若驊的實際人力巨兒童青少年福利與權益保障法第33條之一條文修正財務請審議案議事處意見 您請回交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 宣讀完畢"},{"start":6639.056,"end":6640.617,"text":"五議通過五議通過五議通過"},{"start":6668.988,"end":6669.328,"text":"無異議通過無異議通過"},{"start":6682.472,"end":6703.909,"text":"第8案 本院委員翁曉琳等16人居信法訴訟法第95條條維修正常情緒一案 依次促進議請會長司法及法律委員會審查 宣讀完畢無異議通過第9案 本院委員陳少明等16人居就業服務法第46條條維修正常情緒一案 依次促進議請會長社會福利及生活經營委員會審查 宣讀完畢無異議通過"},{"start":6707.632,"end":6731.01,"text":"第12本會議員鄭天宅等16人鄰居﹐動物保護房第二條及第10條條務修正草案請水一二﹐依次促進您請回交經濟委員會審查﹐宣讀完畢無異通過第11案本會議員鄭天宅等18人鄰居﹐不依依職保存條例草案請水一二﹐依次促進您請回交教育及文化委員會審查﹐宣讀完畢無異通過"},{"start":6731.755,"end":6754.594,"text":"第12案 本院臺灣民眾腦腦團理局住宅法部份條文修正草案請水移案 議事處意見 您請回交內政委員會審查 宣讀完畢無異議通過第13案 本院臺灣民眾腦腦團理局醫學工程師法草案請水移案 議事處意見 您請回交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 宣讀完畢無異議通過"},{"start":6755.254,"end":6778.166,"text":"第14案 本院臺灣民眾黨老團領據遺傳諮詢施法草案請選一案 議事處意見 您請回交社會福利及衛生環境委員或審查 宣討完畢議議通過第15案 本院臺灣民眾黨老團領據全民健康保險法第一條條文修正草案請選一案 議事處意見 您請回交社會福利及衛生環境委員或審查 宣討完畢"},{"start":6778.846,"end":6779.146,"text":"無異議通過無異議通過"},{"start":6792.043,"end":6792.484,"text":"無異議通過發言委員"},{"start":6818.717,"end":6822.518,"text":"本次會議報告事項記載於議事錄順序授權議事處調整現在繼續處理原列報告事項請宣讀第二案請務院會有異議無異議通過"},{"start":6845.216,"end":6868.819,"text":"第3案 本院委員陳提菲等16人居所得稅法第5條第5條之一及第14條條文修正常請水一案依釋書意見禮儆匯交財政委員會審查 宣讀完畢委員通過第4案 本院委員陳提菲等16人居民法第1項085條條文修正常請水一案依釋書意見禮儆匯交司法及法政委員會審查 宣讀完畢委員通過"},{"start":6870.353,"end":6896.608,"text":"第5案 本院委員陳廷輝等19人離聚 老年農民福利階階鑽石條例第4條條文修正草原清水一案 議事處意見 議請回交社會福利及衛生環境經濟內政三務委員會審查 宣讀完畢 委員通過第6案 本院委員陳冠廷等23人離聚 豐稅條例第12條條文修正草原清水一案 議事處意見 議請回交財政委員會審查 宣讀完畢 委員通過"},{"start":6897.369,"end":6924.054,"text":"第7案 本會議員另一屆的27人聯聚﹐不應移植保存條例藏情水疑案﹐依稀處意見 另請會交交通司法及法治兩院會審查﹐宣讀完畢無異議通過第8案 本會議員另一屆的27人聯聚﹐國營台灣鐵路股份有限公司稅市條例第10條及第23條維修正常情水疑案﹐依稀處意見 另請會交交通司法及法治兩院會審查﹐宣讀完畢無異議通過"},{"start":6924.878,"end":6951.171,"text":"第9案 本院委員李盈瑾的27年離聚 威權統治時期國家不法行為被害者權利回復條例部分條文修正才會進水一案 議事處意見李瑾會將司法及法治委員會審查 宣討完畢報事項第9案 現有民進黨黨團提議改交內政委員會審查 請務院會有異議無異議通過 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本會員和新選的16人均兒童青少年福利與全業保障法第8條條文修正草案請審議案 議事處意見 理性會教育社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 宣讀完畢 委員通過第27案 本會員和新選的16人均兒童多育服務法草案請審議案 議事處意見 理性會教育社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 宣讀完畢 委員通過"},{"start":7186.345,"end":7197.253,"text":"第28案本院務員范雲等21人聯聚數位新聞發展與民主任性反殘侵水案一系處一間離巡會交通交易及文化聯務委員會審查宣讀完畢"},{"start":7197.861,"end":7198.401,"text":"無異議通過無異議通過無異議通過"},{"start":7223.632,"end":7224.273,"text":"委員．第32委員．第32委員．"},{"start":7248.394,"end":7249.114,"text":"第33案．第34案．第34案．"},{"start":7275.134,"end":7301.491,"text":"第35案 本院委員嚴範恒的16人聯聚 勞動計準法第50條條文修正草菁水案 依次出現 您請回交 社會福利 行政環境委員會審查 宣讀完畢無異議通過第36案 本院委員嚴範恒的16人聯聚 兒童接少年福利與權益保障法 增年率計條之一條文草菁水案 依次出現 您請回交 社會福利 行政環境委員會審查 宣讀完畢無異議通過"},{"start":7302.231,"end":7315.566,"text":"第37案 本院委員嚴判和26人的鄰居 兒童青少年福利與權益保障法 第33條 之二條文修正常勤選一案 依次主席 您請獲交社會福利金融上環境委員會審查 宣傳完畢"},{"start":7317.196,"end":7325.762,"text":"第38 本院委員嚴範恒等17任理據 醫療法第24條及106條條無修正常請選一案 議事處意見 理事處意見 理事處意見 理事處意見 理事處意見 理事處意見 理事處意見 理事處意見 理事處意見 理事處意見 理事處意見 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農業部還會修正公告美國愛荷華州自公運病原性加性流血性感冒肺疫區刪除 議事處意見 您請回交經濟委員會 宣讀完畢無異議通過第53案 農業部還送農業部農田水利署新組管理處 農田水利事業區域內灌溉制度 議事處意見 您請回交經濟委員會 宣讀完畢無異議通過"},{"start":7555.185,"end":7555.345,"text":"無異議通過"},{"start":7566.892,"end":7592.811,"text":"第55議員 農業部海外修正 農業機械設備 太修換新溫室系體解料整理辦法 議事處意見 您請回交經濟委員會 宣讀完畢五議通過第56議員 農業部海外行政院農業委員會 農田水利署 高雄管理處 農田水利事業區域 名稱修正為 農業部農田水利署 高雄管理處 農田水利事業區域 並修正事業區域 議事處意見 您請回交經濟委員會 宣讀完畢"},{"start":7595.012,"end":7595.252,"text":"違議通過違議通過"},{"start":7614.98,"end":7629.317,"text":"第50方案 農業部海灣行政院農業委員會 農田水利署桃園管理處 農田水利事業區域 名稱修正為 農業部農田水利署桃園管理處 農田水利事業區域 並修正事業區域 議事處一屆理政委員會 加入經濟委員會 宣讀完畢"},{"start":7632.065,"end":7633.265,"text":"五議通過五議通過五議通過"},{"start":7661.857,"end":7662.277,"text":"委員通告委員通告"},{"start":7682.352,"end":7703.669,"text":"第62 財政部還會修正免稅商店施設管理辦法部分條文﹐依稀數一件﹐您請回交財政委員會﹐宣讀完畢無異議通過第63 中央銀行還會修正﹐中央銀行對金融機構辦理不動產抵押貸款業務規定第4點及第11點規定﹐依稀數一件﹐您請回交財政委員會﹐宣讀完畢無異議通過"},{"start":7704.79,"end":7727.378,"text":"第64案 中央銀行海外修正 中央銀行出入規程部分條文 依系處意見 依請回交司法及法制 財政兩委員會 宣讀完畢第65案 教育部海外修正 海外留學地情況契約 應記載及不得記載事項 應記載事項第7年規定 依系處意見 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從教育現場的第一線也收到了很多相關的資訊"},{"start":9405.482,"end":9406.023,"text":"每年取得教師證"},{"start":9417.527,"end":9441.966,"text":"從2005年合發教師證當時應該算是最頂峰那個時候合發教師證的人數高達一萬八千多人但是到了2022年只剩下4906人但這4906人還有多少人是願意直接投入我們的校園當中擔任教職這個部分其實是一個非常大的問題"},{"start":9442.887,"end":9456.932,"text":"因為不穩定的師資影響的就是受教的學生那我們真的看到了有許多過去大家認為的鐵飯碗這個教職現在大家是連這個鐵飯碗都不想捧了"},{"start":9458.34,"end":9483.525,"text":"這個是很大的一個問題我們有沒有想過會是什麼樣的原因有沒有可能因為爛訴有沒有可能因為老師的管教權被相對的剝奪了有沒有可能因為行政減量變成一種口號在我們的教育政策不斷的推陳出新的狀況之下很多的老師他不是只有在教書他可能還要跑班"},{"start":9484.005,"end":9505.648,"text":"他可能課後還要關心學生還要跟家長溝通他甚至還要被教父因為多元教學他還要去充實自己老師一天有多少時間可以用再來心思上的不合理人留不住是不是都有可能會是最直接的原因教育部長"},{"start":9507.652,"end":9536.253,"text":"謝謝委員關心這個老師怎麼樣讓老師能夠安心專注於在這個學校的教學工作我想那是教育部一直在努力的也利用這個機會跟委員報告事實上在民國57年改制為國民教育9年那大概一個世代30年也就是說它會形成一個世代30年的一個退休潮在上一個30年大概就是在90年左右它確實興起了一個退休潮"},{"start":9536.793,"end":9555.422,"text":"所以他就世代的一個教師人力的一個替補他確實在那一個87年到92年那個達到高峰那麼以這一個數字來看這也是我進來以後我就要我們師培師要注意掌握這一個師師的這一個退休潮的一個人數"},{"start":9556.142,"end":9583.996,"text":"也就是說如果用90年來看那大概在120年也就是說117年到120年120年左右這又會形成一個退休潮也就是說我們老師中小學老師在替補的一個過程裡邊他事實上會有一個階段性所以委員所提的那一個在上一個在這一個階段裡邊大概我們會快速的補充了非常多的一些正式的老師"},{"start":9584.736,"end":9584.876,"text":"以導師來說,好不好?"},{"start":9610.322,"end":9636.514,"text":"好導師也就是我們真的要強化這個現場教學的誘因導師是最直接面對孩子的最直接面對他的學生的那我們以導師職務的一個佳績的部分我剛剛有提到其實導師的工作非常繁重他的心理壓力跟生理上的壓力甚至於在專業上面的一個提供其實都是我們必須要很關心的光是以國中小"},{"start":9641.714,"end":9642.436,"text":"第2會期 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要報行政院啊報告委員 現在正在國發會"},{"start":11247.654,"end":11271.38,"text":"報告委員陳部長非常了解﹖也掌握整個進度﹖包括東部的鐵公路﹖如何盡快的修繕﹖盡快的通車都掌握到了﹖剛剛委員所提到的樹花庵﹖目前現行的進度﹖也在國發會﹖在審議當中謝謝國發會主席報告委員目前我們已經函各單位在回覆意見中﹖我們預計10月15號開審議委員會﹖"},{"start":11274.381,"end":11275.082,"text":"總預算要趕快過就可以很快的來動工"},{"start":11290.188,"end":11308.912,"text":"有編列到114年度預算嗎有5000多萬在114年度我有看5000多萬是不足的是不足所以需要再更多一些所以要拜託委員在總預算的部分能夠幫忙總長將近30公里總預算會超過1050億以上明年我們就會開始那現在只要這樣子國發費"},{"start":11320.61,"end":11334.882,"text":"請各部會來各種意見之後我們就會看明年就會順利的公示我也相信我也期待這個預算在明年能夠順利的執行會通過啦謝謝委員你要努力也要拜託禁法補償的費用17億而已好這個好我們的國防部請國防部長來這個"},{"start":11348.817,"end":11369.913,"text":"本席幾乎每一個院長來我都質詢了國軍志願役士兵大幅下降我們看這個國防部的這個預算以創新高明年又在足額上場總額達到6470億新台幣我常說我們也沒有要問這個"},{"start":11379.773,"end":11408.979,"text":"我沒有反對最重要的是什麼我常說一句話你買再好的武器再精良的武器要不要人操作要不要軍人操作要軍人操作但是我們的退伍人員比招募士兵還這個士兵士兵是第一最重要的"},{"start":11410.049,"end":11432.258,"text":"而自願役的士兵：比這個亦乎亦的更重要我們看自願役士兵大幅下降這個109啊自願役的士兵5萬4千757其實5萬4千都不算多了已經是太少了到113 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我有執行過好幾次所以很重要的你沒有增加這個志願役的薪資誰去當兵何況隨時要打仗打仗沒有關係"},{"start":11497.045,"end":11519.285,"text":"但是要有戰力這個就是備戰備戰最重要的就是還是要有士兵一無一士兵現在一無一只有一年根本沒辦法打仗我當兩年多也沒辦法打仗所以還是要靠自願意院長多支持國防部"},{"start":11520.838,"end":11535.502,"text":"跟委員報告現在委員關心的主要是基層的士官兵現在主要是上市以上大概都超過這個勞工平均經常性的性質就上市以上的超過那現在就是"},{"start":11563.524,"end":11568.669,"text":"好,謝謝好,謝謝鄭委員下一位我們請徐富奎委員質詢"},{"start":11594.884,"end":11596.246,"text":"徐文豪在屏東這兩天非常辛苦,謝謝你"},{"start":11616.872,"end":11625.079,"text":"院長跟兩位部長早安陳儒院長剛講的這兩天高屏地區歷經了大災難山頓颱風、路徑詭異、窩病讓很多氣象專家跌破眼鏡同時也對我們高屏地區造成很大的損害"},{"start":11638.359,"end":11652.758,"text":"我們截至目前為止剛剛我們還在跟屏東通電話到目前為止屏東還有4萬多戶停電我們的臺電的同仁也很辛苦在確定在搶救那包含剛剛我們也請我們的海巡的管主委"},{"start":11653.479,"end":11681.682,"text":"我們緊急的支援了海巡的艦艇把我們中油台電台水相關的一些國營事業的同仁再到小琉球去現在在搶救一些的災情那我想雖然是這個遇到了一些這樣子的一個災難但是後續針對屏東縣的一些重建的一些工程還有一些基礎建設本期藉這個機會要特別拜託院長跟我們行政院的團隊要來大力的支持讓屏東縣"},{"start":11682.783,"end":11702.143,"text":"這個未來能夠更好首先我想我們第一張照片我們先秀出來院長右手邊這個就是這一次前兩天我們訪寮大莊海體破損的一個照片你看這個缺口的前端有一個"},{"start":11703.527,"end":11703.547,"text":"禮案體"},{"start":11730.669,"end":11754.894,"text":"第2個這個整個極端氣候天候的因素我們所謂離岸體的第一道防線它這個高度跟寬度已經不夠了沒辦法動到這個海岸所以第一道被打破之後它第二道我們又緊急請第7河川分屬掉了所謂的消波塊同樣也無法阻擋這個海浪的一個巨大的侵襲所以才會造成我們海體的一個破損"},{"start":11755.834,"end":11773.349,"text":"所以在這邊特別請教院長拜託院長針對我們沿線包含從東港臨邊加東放寮整個離岸體的建設是不是有必要重新的全面在檢討重新的全面來建置加強我們離岸的一個保護措施"},{"start":11774.698,"end":11789.43,"text":"雖然歷年來我們對任何的治三防紅工程做得非常非常的多但是面對這樣的極端氣候非常來得快又大又急那可能很多的原來的設計安全的係數都不足以應付現在的狀況"},{"start":11790.111,"end":11795.035,"text":"市長 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委員部長答覆之前跟委員報告我們也認為在目前這個時代"},{"start":22431.195,"end":22459.012,"text":"整個社會的需求人工生殖法我們應該用正面非常正面積極看它所以我們願意來跟各界做更好的溝通那溝通的細節部長比較清楚好 謝謝好 報告委員那我們供7月31號完成供預告以後那因為意見很多所以我們蒐集的各意見也邀請了醫學父權而且倫理及法醫專家以及相關的社會的部會召開了5次以上的一個會議來討論"},{"start":22460.762,"end":22472.17,"text":"那近視將依法治的程序現在在衛福部的法規會如果應該在10月底可以報到行政院"},{"start":22472.918,"end":22475.019,"text":"這也是這個禮拜以來許許多多醫療院所很擔心的啦早上我有提到說誰在颱風天出情"},{"start":22498.393,"end":22513.788,"text":"醫師醫護人員醫事人員就是其中之一啊他們不會風雨好醫院所有的維生系統很多是24小時要開的他沒有辦法節能省電他就是要開著另外手術室他要維持低溫才能降低感染率"},{"start":22514.048,"end":22514.208,"text":"委員長施政報告"},{"start":22529.736,"end":22549.587,"text":"但是這個禮拜電價審議會的新聞是反反覆覆一下說10月16號以後醫療院所就要漲14%一下又說現在可能你動漲那請問各位對於醫療院所以前我們還有電費的補貼或者是動漲大家對於10月16號之後的態度是如何呢請郭部長說明之前我們認為各位委員報告基本的態度是"},{"start":22557.408,"end":22580.621,"text":"醫療院所不會增加他的負擔那至於他的電費以前是由台電來吸收那未來我們要想用什麼方式來做助理但是原則就是不會增加醫療院所的負擔所以你的意思是說這14%院長會幫我們想辦法請部長來答報告委員我們這一次就是基本上醫療院所就是不漲"},{"start":22584.224,"end":22598.393,"text":"謝謝,謝謝各位今天給我們一個很明確的答案否則全國關心這件事的人要提心吊膽一直要等到10月16號才會有消息啊沒有啦,我們有公告啊昨天大家都在風災當中昨天部長就已經公佈了謝謝國務部長"},{"start":22604.677,"end":22623.014,"text":"邱部長這個我覺得已經太多委員問過了所以我也不再多說太多但是上個禮拜因為很多委員真的很擔心您的意志很堅強說一定可以在明年6月前達到0.95但是院長有時候對外受訪又說財政上真的有點困難"},{"start":22623.915,"end":22649.036,"text":"當然最近新聞都有看到說我們上次討論要700億才能達成但是編列的預算顯然就沒有到所以今天本席也想要一起幫大家來思考我們有什麼開源節流的方法可以一起協助部長因為部長上禮拜回答陳玉珍委員你說到分級醫療開源節流改善就醫習慣都是您的方針是嗎要多管齊下"},{"start":22650.216,"end":22664.333,"text":"好,報告委員,我想我們真的非常感謝我們行政院,尤其院長、副院長對於我們健康的投資,特別在健保這邊的協助方案是有史以來最高的,我必須要先講清楚,但是"},{"start":22666.955,"end":22688.515,"text":"那要達到說我們所謂的0.95當然還要更多的努力我不是說一定能夠達到我是說我們會盡量努力而且醫療體系真的跟我講他們很感動那個行政院這麼的幫忙所以他們也要自己管理自己嘛譬如說我們做有效的管理當然有效的管理不是隨便合三那種"},{"start":22690.377,"end":22710.291,"text":"還有整個醫療制度的改變,分級醫療的確實我們等一下也一起來回顧一下,您之前擔任委員,我知道您對於浮動點值、平均點值、攤扣、斷頭其實您都有很多的想法,也質詢過薛睿源部長,我們也稍微看一下這總量成本都不止0.8,財政部給我們的成本就0.8,你可以基層0.81,你可以基層0.1、0.7多少你知道他怎麼經營?"},{"start":22716.52,"end":22720.404,"text":"對,部長您講得很清楚我們現在面對的問題就是"},{"start":22743.787,"end":22766.724,"text":"為了達到目標點子0.92、0.93又開始了您以前講到的斷頭、彈扣這樣子的行為好 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這個"},{"start":22797.723,"end":22801.708,"text":"攤客或者是斷頭這個都是各區他們自己"},{"start":22812.887,"end":22829.87,"text":"但套一句您剛講的要人家怎麼運營說實在的一群醫護人員他今年開始他的業務好他可能沒有辦法預期醫療利用率老齡化的現象或是新型傳染病所以他到他今年的業務結束以後呢第一他要先看你的浮動點子是多少"},{"start":22830.23,"end":22833.251,"text":"當然我在當立法委員的時候一定是跟議事團體聽他們的心聲然後我們覺得有道理要再爭取"},{"start":22859.956,"end":22860.765,"text":"我們當然就是把他們"},{"start":22861.62,"end":22889.233,"text":"的意見講出來然後盡量爭取那這段期間其實我們可以看到行政院的還有相關的長官們真的非常努力在希望我們不但要創造點子我們要創造我們健保的價值然後說也把用健康台灣把很多很多的我們要做的工作讓我們很尊嚴的去做它而在這當中就無形中能夠提升我們一定的點子這樣"},{"start":22890.313,"end":22918.523,"text":"我想貪扣嚴審齁兩個比起來我也想知道法務部部長的意見啦不管是健保法或者是全民健保生富和富醫療服務審查辦法第22條裡面都沒有講到貪扣這個名詞大概就針對樣品審查案件分析點數的核檢等等而且有法源依據的就是專業核酸專業核酸還有救濟還可以申訴喔我還可以申訴說為什麼我要這樣子做要不要法務部長備詢"},{"start":22919.543,"end":22919.704,"text":"法務部長"},{"start":22928.61,"end":22957.658,"text":"所以呢這個攤扣既然沒有法源的依據也沒有很詳列在所有的健保法相關法規裡面我也想請教法務部部長的意見根據我們釋字443號解釋他是不是有剝奪我們生命限制人民身體自由或者是有這個我們其他自由權利的限制者應該有法律來加以規範了因為他等於是變相把一個應得的酬勞再加出來還給政府這很明顯就是侵害到人民的"},{"start":22974.391,"end":22987.002,"text":"院長我也很希望您回去可以花點時間研究一下當你想要把帳面上做得很漂亮但是你在私底下用了很多的手段讓他的帳面好看其實你沒有辦法"},{"start":22987.702,"end":22987.962,"text":"謝謝委員提醒"},{"start":23009.753,"end":23009.773,"text":"好"},{"start":23025.652,"end":23042.679,"text":"如果能夠有效運用的話我相信有助於點資那當中光是健康台灣在這裡面就有607億的錢有兩點我也想要點出來第一個我快速的講到上禮拜您回應陳玉珍委員說分級醫療就是一個很好的方法我盤點了過去106到113年我們總共是編列了530億花在分級醫療結果呢我們下轉的案件是負成長再來齁"},{"start":23053.904,"end":23064.475,"text":"從基層醫療到區域醫院到醫學中心就醫的比例是一動也不動那你們今年還要再編列預算的話如果是用一樣的老方法覺得有效嗎"},{"start":23065.413,"end":23068.854,"text":"推行分級醫療轉整制度都推行的非常有限那未來我是希望說我們真的能夠推行分級醫療的"},{"start":23088.099,"end":23100.677,"text":"這個預算拜託可以真的看到一點點成效好嗎因為過去8年是不動如山我想不只是說分級門診可以減少多少錢不只是這樣子而已應該用更好的一個方式來推"},{"start":23101.537,"end":23119.236,"text":"這個也是我們希望可以幫邱委員現在當邱部長落實的其實最近在開很多公聽會我們會發現說好癌症性要精心審查裡面有一大部分是拿來做篩檢篩檢呢你就會發現如果你篩檢一半肺癌大腸癌在前期跟篩檢一半是在晚期"},{"start":23119.716,"end":23144.408,"text":"他後面的醫療支出是天差地遠所以之前邱委員就提出說自費的健康檢查特別扣除額本席也覺得其實可以因為如果你沒有鼓勵大家可以在初期的時候就篩檢出來你背後的費用是更為龐大所以院長可以在這邊拜託您回去跟我們財政部部長一個月內進行這個可行性的研擬嗎"},{"start":23147.245,"end":23171.596,"text":"這是一個非常值得去研議的一個觀點如果能夠提前篩檢出來比如說我們最近做了一些很多像癌症的篩檢乳癌他可以提前篩檢出來但治療的成效卻不是像我們想像那麼好這可能我們治療的過程當中可能要用新的方式但是總是鼓勵大家能夠我們現在最多的肺癌大腸癌這兩項在前期他只要開刀治療的成效非常的好"},{"start":23172.296,"end":23189.059,"text":"所以他可以大幅下降你後面的財政支出你也不需要花那麼多錢在這個癌症型療等等所以明年的預算我們也變得相當多在癌篩提前篩檢的部分謝謝不好意思我想最後花5分鐘關心一下我們高雄關於觀光教育還有行人安全的"},{"start":23189.72,"end":23190.28,"text":"相關部會社長請備詢"},{"start":23208.106,"end":23208.486,"text":"法定人數不足"},{"start":23239.688,"end":23255.246,"text":"這一間廁所在沖馬桶另外一間的水會沖到你的屁股還有它這個滴水啊上面下面已經連成一個鐘乳石這樣子的奇景了我真的很希望各位可以花點時間去看看這是我會刊親眼所及啊"},{"start":23255.686,"end":23282.853,"text":"我聽說教育部在7月的時候又提報了一筆80億的廁所預算聽說行政院9月26有拿到審核的結果是不是想知道說80億什麼時候可以讓教育部拿到位因為我們高雄的市政府都已經撥好地方必須要付的福山國小、明德國小、新甲國小等等的案例都準備好配合的錢只需要教育部行政院一個點頭學校就可以馬上施工而不是讓這些小朋友從念小學一直等到畢業廁所都還沒好"},{"start":23284.016,"end":23309.981,"text":"跟委員報告過去8年我們投入了83.5億114 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謝謝部長那我也請陳主委就發揮您的專業可以在他們整個標案設計啊發包工程建案等等的順暢度可以協助他們好嗎謝謝主委可以"},{"start":23404,"end":23431.1,"text":"謝謝接下來是跟我們劉部長比較相關而且是劉部長非常熟悉的區域啊這個行人安全四年四百億行人安全的這個計畫有很多都是在學校周邊都是劉部長非常熟悉的那我知道說這個第二第三已經獲得公路局通過但是第一個因為跟中央道路無關所以推回給國土署可不可以請劉部長在這邊幫忙我們國土署可以接到這個作為審查第一順位呢"},{"start":23431.68,"end":23442.915,"text":"跟委員補充報告一下我們其實在10月1號的時候已經有通知高雄市政府目前第5次的提案會在11月8號左右全部來一起統籌辦理"},{"start":23445.695,"end":23472.72,"text":"11月8號11月8號全部的全部的部分不是只有針對非常感謝也在這邊謝謝我們交通部陳部長最後一個也是我們劉部長很熟悉的在這個新莊一路那邊有四所學校嘛從小學到最高等教育即將要蓋的清大交大都有但是連年的交通事故非常的高所以這個國土署代表上禮拜有來他是不是把他列為10月1號審查第一順位有沒有什麼好消息可以提供給我們"},{"start":23473.36,"end":23475.161,"text":"謝謝陳金威委員的質詢 謝謝主委院長：相關部會所長的備詢接下來我們請登記第50號011警委員質詢"},{"start":23530.43,"end":23530.59,"text":"林委員好"},{"start":23544.022,"end":23573.159,"text":"院長好我想請台灣已經是世界潮流不僅美國澳洲荷蘭義大利都紛紛來正式表態拒絕中國惡意扭曲聯大第2758號決議那世界各國也紛紛來支持擴大台灣的這個國際參與我想置身這樣的一個歷史時刻該如何好好的把握我們來積極行動我想是政府跟我們全體國人的重大課題那所以在此時此刻"},{"start":23573.639,"end":23575.361,"text":"今天本席就要跟院長來提到"},{"start":23602.962,"end":23625.747,"text":"正式集醫療跟文資這兩大價值餘生2009年就被領選為臺灣世界遺產潛力點的樂生療養院聯合國教科文組織的前副主席西村信夫他有指出樂生療養院他"},{"start":23626.987,"end":23643.433,"text":"復合世界遺產公約執行作業要點中提名原則也就是說如果由國際組織來申請發動再請台灣納入跨國申請的地址之一可能是應對台灣"},{"start":23645.915,"end":23660.567,"text":"對於這個國際處境的一個相當好的解套而且因為這個患生者病患而他們受到的歧視跟隔離的歷史我想這是普世的經驗所以更是全球重要的人權的問題"},{"start":23661.648,"end":23681.503,"text":"一旦提出申請 審查的國家也不會用國家的定位來為這個理由拒絕受理所以我想衛福部邱太元院部長也說過樂森療養院代表臺灣醫療史的重要發展衛福部 文化部 教育部應該要聯合起來才能將這段歷史"},{"start":23684.005,"end":23703.777,"text":"可以完整的呈現所以想要請教卓院長樂生院的申請世界遺產的工作不曉得現在有做了多少的努力那未來你如何透過行政院的高度來整合各部會包括衛福部教育部文化部以及外交部來努力的爭取世界遺產的申請 院長"},{"start":23704.477,"end":23731.074,"text":"是 報告委員 文化部已經責定18處世界遺產的潛力點在臺灣而且他已經成立了第5屆世界遺產的推動會那麼其中就知道了這個樂生療養這一件他已經完備了相當清楚詳細的文本我們希望能夠爭取到大家對這個地點對這個過去的醫療行為所留給人類的一個記憶點做一個有效的保存那行政院會完全全力來支持文化部這樣的工作"},{"start":23732.575,"end":23758.786,"text":"我可以補充一下因為我們才剛剛開完一個國際論壇就是請ECMAS的7位國際專家來台灣開一個論壇然後那個論壇非常成功雖然我們不屬於聯合國的這個會員國但是推動這個議場我們就用這個方式請國際的ECMAS的專家來台灣開會然後我們馬上在10月份就召開一個第5次的一個"},{"start":23759.83,"end":23761.111,"text":"9月10月做的事情"},{"start":23787.239,"end":23813.553,"text":"所以我真的要謝謝部長的說明那也要請行政院再積極來推動這個世界遺產的申請因為對歷史跟文化的尊重當然是我們首要價值可是連帶這個臺灣的國際地位也好文化觀光也好跟跨國合作的可能性我想這都會因為我們對於世界遺產的努力而獲得更大的進展那另外我想再來本席要跟院長討論中國"},{"start":23822.008,"end":23840.56,"text":"我們的這個鄰國中國我想賴總統在今年8月在凱達格蘭論壇開幕式裡頭有提到威權主義擴張越來越具侵略性而且已經是對於全球是一個很大的挑戰"},{"start":23841.52,"end":23855.23,"text":"中國不僅在台海軍演也跟俄羅斯在南海日本海西太平洋都進行海空聯合軍演那我想這個破壞區域和平穩定這部分對我們實在是非常的嚴重"},{"start":23856.591,"end":23880.616,"text":"除了傳統的軍事威脅以外當然中國同時也將貿易武器化那對各國進行一些經濟脅迫利用網路啊科技啊擴張數位這種極權主義來影響全球的民主發展那我想近期一個引起各位注意的就是說中國的這些擴張除了國對國的威脅外他也因為用長年的這種"},{"start":23882.016,"end":23883.397,"text":"中國的蘇州就發生了母子"},{"start":23906.81,"end":23922.339,"text":"而被砍傷的事件那不到三個月而9月18號而又有一名中國而就讀中國深圳日本人學校的10歲的男童那也在上學的途中被這個一名中國的男子砍死"},{"start":23923.32,"end":23940.082,"text":"那所以日本的首相石破茂有對於這些事情發表非常沉痛的憤怒跟表達不滿那我想請教院長怎麼看待日本人在中國遭殺害的這個事件那這樣的野蠻事件你又有什麼樣的譴責"},{"start":23942.471,"end":23968.914,"text":"謝謝委員不僅日本人前幾天我們看到中國的遊客在臺北針對香港的民族人士也做出非常不禮貌的一個動作那同時我們看到在南海中國對鄰近的國家也進行一些這個傳播武力上的一些對峙跟挑釁所以我認為這個是全面性的是中國在徒稱霸世界的過程的開始"},{"start":23970.215,"end":23998.612,"text":"但是用仇恨的教育他只會喪失理性用仇恨的教育也只會威脅和平所以我們看歷史來看用仇恨來教導人民來窮兵黷武對外做任何擴張的軍事行動到最後終究是這個領導人會遭受到世界歷史的唾棄這個是很嚴重的事實也是不可抹滅的事實我也希望中國的領導人能夠看清這一件他們現在自己"},{"start":23999.392,"end":24017.712,"text":"力圖成為經濟大國應該把自己的經濟搞好力圖成為世界的政治大國不應該用仇恨的教育應該用包容用合作共榮的方式才能得到大家在區域和平之後能夠理性的來討論對世界人類和平的最大貢獻"},{"start":24019.984,"end":24040.754,"text":"當然 綠黨看得非常清楚因為中國對台灣的侵略惡行當然一直是明目張膽的那他對世界各國也如此對台灣更是如此所以我想我們對於中國這樣的不管是中國公民的言語暴力也好或者是中國對於整個台灣的惡行我想我們都要有所防範"},{"start":24041.454,"end":24063.344,"text":"所以在今年6月27日陸委會就已經有對於中國的旅遊警示這個有橙色的警示那也就是提醒國人應避免非必要的旅行那理由是因為中國政府近年來已經威脅到嚴重威脅到國人的人身安全那我想本席想要請教就是說"},{"start":24065.037,"end":24077.086,"text":"針對中國近期為了吸引台灣的首來族而祭出的中國的各個景點一年內免門票的這種優惠那陸委會有什麼樣因應方式"},{"start":24078.527,"end":24103.706,"text":"會員怎麼樣提醒國人的非常感謝委員關切這一點近期中國大陸為了刺激他們的消費特別是為了增加更多的旅遊推出了包括景點免費、低價團等等的一些優惠措施不過我們這邊還是要呼籲國人復路最重要的是人身自由安全的風險"},{"start":24105.667,"end":24132.652,"text":"比如說您剛提到我們在6月底發布的這個旅遊警示最主要是針對6月21號他們發布的審讀22條意見這個對國人的人身自由安全的風險影響甚大這個法律基本上它界定的非常模糊而且設計上也充滿了各種不文明的制度包括這個"},{"start":24135.613,"end":24153.768,"text":"長臂管轄、終身追訴、缺席審判以及判處死刑還有沒收財產這些相當不文明的制度設計所以我們加上又鼓勵舉報所以我們呼籲國人、婦人要關注自己的人身安全的風險"},{"start":24154.969,"end":24156.67,"text":"那我想最後要跟院長再討論一下"},{"start":24187.062,"end":24211.258,"text":"五一勞動節院長我想我跟您討論五一勞動節全國一致放假的問題已經從蘇貞昌院長到陳建仁院長到您卓院長上一次的會期我有跟您討論過那我本來以為經過大家長期的討論這下倡議原本快要獲得了這個確實的那我想"},{"start":24212.239,"end":24229.234,"text":"不曉得為什麼徒踩煞車搞得大家也都人仰馬翻院長 行政院認為把全國兩大群人無數的家庭放假日不一致到底有什麼樣的意義每次談到無一勞動節行政院就會說"},{"start":24232.997,"end":24251.191,"text":"是依據公務員服務法公務員一整年的放假天數是115到116天那目前已經達到上限請教院長你這樣的說法到底是依據現行的公務員服務法的第幾條又是哪一年修法的 院長"},{"start":24252.831,"end":24274.199,"text":"這個是公務員服務法第11條他是在89年6月就三讀通過的內容就是115天到116天但是我們最近這兩天為了要放假不放假的事情搞得大家都非常的不安很焦慮我覺得全國公務員也好包括所有的國人在什麼時候"},{"start":24275.46,"end":24285.621,"text":"該怎麼樣放假 有怎麼樣來決定地方該負待一地方的責任 中央會來協助這件事情我想我們就統一來看規劃將來朝一個更合理的方向來思考"},{"start":24286.705,"end":24306.72,"text":"因為剛剛院長您提到公務員服務法這個你說是89年那就是2000年可是可能院長你可能沒有理解沒有弔詭的是說在2022年公務員服務法有做過全委的修正"},{"start":24307.521,"end":24322.686,"text":"所以該項的所謂的115到116天的休假日上限他是一個附帶決議他的原條文已經被修正不復存在了所以這樣的一個附帶決議行政院還在遵守這個條文在2022"},{"start":24325.508,"end":24342.61,"text":"公務員服務法已經經過修正了這個看起來院長沒有掌握所以你們還宣稱依照這樣的一個附帶決議來處理公務員的休假那院長我想今天這場質詢包含公教人員在內的全國勞動者都在看"},{"start":24343.351,"end":24362.119,"text":"五一要不要全面放假實際上我覺得這是最表面的問題可是政府應該不容閃躲的核心爭議是在我們該如何看待勞動人權的普世價值我想當台灣被背負的所謂的過勞之島的罪名的時候我想政府卻持續帶頭破壞勞動者的團結"},{"start":24365.489,"end":24385.546,"text":"我們把所謂的受薪者階級硬生生把它分成兩塊一塊叫做勞工一塊叫做非勞工公教人員就是非勞工那勞保就是勞工然後用這樣切分勞工與非勞工的錯誤概念然後來用紀念勞動者團結的這一天來刻意的彰顯出來院長不覺得很諷刺嗎"},{"start":24387.147,"end":24407.002,"text":"委員長 上次你跟我的回答 也跟其他的委員回答說要來尋求社會的共識我想問是說五一勞動節 全面放假需要的社會共識是什麼請院長回答我那政府又打算如何的權衡社會共識那我想當牽涉到勞動團結跟"},{"start":24409.428,"end":24409.468,"text":"對勞動人權的維護"},{"start":24438.865,"end":24440.545,"text":"好 謝謝林益錦委員 也謝謝卓院長跟相關部會所長的備詢"},{"start":24473.464,"end":24497.975,"text":"接下來我們請登記第51號羅明才委員質詢韓院長在座卓院長及相關行政團隊大家下午好可不可以請韓院長請卓院長備詢"},{"start":24508.684,"end":24516.254,"text":"委員長你好陸委員好莫忘世上苦人多特別這幾天啊颱風假"},{"start":24517.905,"end":24540.564,"text":"雖然是放假,但是我一顆心,忐忑不安在家裡也好,在外面也好,到處看,看看雨大風大,會不會造成對台灣的影響跟傷害不過這幾天,我一直在想一件事情,不曉得卓院長你在想什麼"},{"start":24543.232,"end":24567.549,"text":"突然放一天假又放一天假其實今天我覺得運氣還不錯至少天佑台灣沒有太大太大的災害因為我們看到媒體看到觸目驚心本來就是覺得是小狗小貓雨下的跟狗貓一樣可能很大很大可是感覺"},{"start":24568.936,"end":24596.195,"text":"沒有媒體報的那麼可怕他都說破紀錄啊可能會破表不曉得總理長這幾天你有沒有想過一件事情故事都一直在重演不是今年10年20年30年大概30幾年來每次就是為了那個颱風天到底要不要放假標準在哪裡大家莫衷於是一些家長"},{"start":24597.942,"end":24627.006,"text":"這個想破頭皮阿萬一明天放假明天沒放假我小孩子怎麼安排阿家裡現在又不大一般小家庭二十幾坪三十坪如果三個小孩全部都在家裡哇這個吵那個鬧這個哭很麻煩阿院長你有沒有想過未來的颱風架你有沒有想過怎麼放才是最好的模式"},{"start":24628.018,"end":24641.951,"text":"首先我想委員也清楚臺灣應該是唯一有颱風架的一個有法定機關來宣布的我們鄰近國家甚至美國包括日本都沒有政府機關來宣布有颱風架"},{"start":24643.792,"end":24662.723,"text":"舉例中香港是有一個八號風球日本是交由公司、團體、學校依照各個需要來處理那我們來看我們在安全跟災損之中我們可能有些人是選擇安全的所以認為放假是好的"},{"start":24663.163,"end":24689.606,"text":"可是在那些很辛苦要工作每天要靠一筆薪水來維持自己生活的以及那些小老闆們必須要維持他的工作他才有公司的營運的這些人可能他們更希望的是在經濟上的考量能夠多一點所以這個標準是很難的所以院長怎麼想呢只能從災害的控管交通設施關鍵基礎設施等等來考量但是每個人因素是不同的"},{"start":24690.006,"end":24706.603,"text":"那過去將近30年來台灣都屬於地方政府來決定但我覺得現在我們有很好的科技氣象署中央氣象署應該可以用科技來提供更正確的資料給地方政府這一次這個颱風很怪異走得很慢路線很怪而且真的是"},{"start":24707.244,"end":24710.986,"text":"所以這樣聽起來的話以後這個放假不放假颱風天的標準不會改變我們需要用科技的精確的"},{"start":24735.74,"end":24737.532,"text":"講到科技就是說氣象局"},{"start":24738.795,"end":24764.513,"text":"氣象局從前幾天開始說天翻地覆會破紀錄到最後不斷的修正變化就好像是孫悟空的72變一樣變得大家莫衷於事究竟我們的預算裡面科技那麼發達難道沒有辦法很精準的告訴大家雨有多大風有多強嗎我們一年的預算在氣象局花了多少錢"},{"start":24765.633,"end":24780.906,"text":"報告委員如果您身上跟我一樣有氣象署這幾天當中一直傳過來經過這個應變中心傳過來的資訊來看氣象署的預測是接近於相當準確的甚至跟其他國家比較起來我們的路線等等是相當準精準的這個"},{"start":24781.647,"end":24788.75,"text":"我們眼睛看到的媒體ABC台進香標價A講說小小的B就要往上加阿明明水淹一點點那個角度即使再躺一點"},{"start":24804.008,"end":24809.391,"text":"這一次有一些人說AI比較準但實際上我們看最後的數值氣象署的數值是比AI還要準一些"},{"start":24827.839,"end":24842.247,"text":"那有些說中國的比台灣的準其實最後印證起來氣象署還是比中國的還準你們一年的預算花多少錢?一年預算花多少錢?預算啊?對,從預算到氣象局氣象署氣象署是不是今年是七十幾億的樣子?對啊,七十幾億"},{"start":24847.645,"end":24862.936,"text":"今年會比較多一點因為我們要增加一些設備一年花了70幾億有沒有變成是在設備標我們要增加預算是要增加設備讓它未來更準但委員跟您報告這一次的颱風真的跟過去非常的不一樣因為過去47年"},{"start":24863.997,"end":24885.195,"text":"很少有颱風到高雄登陸這第一點第二點幾乎沒有看過那一種颱風在海外然後我們已經發了路警4天又4個小時才登陸的為什麼會這樣啊過去沒有這個樣子因為其實秋颱本來秋天的颱風本來就不好不是秋天的颱風本來就不好預測手出來把風雨擋住了"},{"start":24885.995,"end":24912.548,"text":"這是大自然的現象我們事先預測颱風會在台灣消失它真的就在登陸之後變成一個熱帶性的低氣壓我們也是感謝啦 感恩的心啦沒有造成太多太多的災難其實安全是最重要的至於其次就是你剛剛講的放假放一天兩天只不過它造成了很大很大的不便我希望行政院這邊也可以再討論看看"},{"start":24913.228,"end":24941.922,"text":"因為現在的極端氣候未來可能還是會繼續遇到這些問題那遇到問題就要面對問題如何來解決問題是最重要雖然氣象局一共大概每年花了70幾億沒那麼多啦報告委員沒那麼多啦我剛才講的數字是錯的不好意思這個數字我再精準一點再跟您報告好 不管好幾十億啦齁雖然是花了幾十億齁但是不要怕因為中華民國很有錢中華民國有錢的不得了"},{"start":24943.168,"end":24965.421,"text":"院長我們今年一花就要花大概總預算三兆既然有那麼多的錢來花這一次颱風的這個洗禮過後我越來越擔心的就是小朋友上學安全的問題建築物大概一萬兩千多棟大概超過五十年的有兩千多棟"},{"start":24966.823,"end":24967.003,"text":"好 委員請放心"},{"start":24989.175,"end":24991.156,"text":"謝謝院長 那我們這部分就優先來考量一下那既然講到中華民國很有錢 其實我們不缺錢"},{"start":25012.142,"end":25039.756,"text":"只要把餅做大我想院長也是來積極推動可是你上任了以後亮點還不夠不過我看到在那麼多的部長裡面有一個點子王他講說希望把台灣成為整個亞太的資產管理中心這個很好可是到底做得到做不到因為本席覺得很好所以我提了一個案就是這個"},{"start":25042.701,"end":25061.915,"text":"當沖降稅年底就到期了可以延長5年那我覺得這個彭志偉頭腦也不錯也很有心要做所以我提了5年的案結果居然聽說我的案子可能會被做掉我只是"},{"start":25062.682,"end":25079.661,"text":"想多一點的力量來幫助行政院把事情做好把餅做大因為你做大現在日均量大概5000億來說如果台灣成為亞太的資產管理中心我們可能日均量可以到8000億到1兆左右"},{"start":25080.242,"end":25109.555,"text":"我們收的證交稅更多啦所以拜託院長我大概問了一下大家支持五年的比較多可不可以拜託財政部你們溝通一下我們就讓他調為五年理由很簡單很多外資要來台灣投資你一下十三年三年關兩年罵一晃眼兩年就到了他要考慮他的整體資金的配備他的水位是多少掉來掉去"},{"start":25110.421,"end":25136.753,"text":"那得不償失：既然要3年要推了為什麼不推5年跟委員報告非常可惜本來昨天我們要開第二次行政院經濟發展委員會其中我們在會開始之後第一個報告就是會把過去第一次會議的決議向社會大眾來說明其中委員所關心的亞洲資產管理中心同志委就會做很多有時間性時程上各種進度的說明跟安排"},{"start":25137.173,"end":25157.353,"text":"那這個就是彭帥一直說的亞洲資產管理中心兩年要有改四年要有變六年要有整這兩年當中我們再把他細分成幾個階段他就會提出時程很客氣可是我們會盡快設定時間對所以議員長你剛講這個兩年四年六年啪三年又到了又遇到一個同樣的問題我們現在前面這兩年有改"},{"start":25159.114,"end":25184.991,"text":"這個當沖降稅三年以後要討論這個問題同樣的時間同一個地點又要不要再延原來昨天就跟大家報告前面兩年會做出什麼樣的時程這個他都有很詳細的規劃現在是要延三年還是要延五年是那個謝謝委員的指教剛剛委員提到兩件事情一個是亞洲資產管理中心一個是當沖降稅的問題那我先簡單回答亞洲資產管理中心的這個議題"},{"start":25188.133,"end":25216.722,"text":"剛剛院長也有提到因為確實台灣在過去推動這樣的一個政策有很多我們先天的限制但是台灣也有很多很多的優勢我們這次推動這個亞洲資產關係中心是用一個比較不一樣的思維是用盤點台灣的優勢來進行這個活動剛才講比如說剛剛院長提到我們兩年有感我先簡單講一個數據我兩年之內我們金管會要修改46個法規一定會讓人民有感"},{"start":25217.102,"end":25217.122,"text":"當沖降稅"},{"start":25236.661,"end":25259.699,"text":"我想站在金管會做一個資本市場管理未來比如說壯大台灣的股市這也是我們推動整個資產管理中非常重要的一環所以我們在過去從106年開始我們推動這個當沖降稅以後確實對市場帶來非常大的比如說對它的交易量的提升流動性的提高以及所謂的避險工具的提供等等都已經產生這樣的一個效果"},{"start":25260.359,"end":25271.939,"text":"我們這次屆期以後我們今晚會站在證券主管機關的立場我們也把立場提供給財政部因為財政部是稅的主政機關我們最後也尊重財政部的看法"},{"start":25273.012,"end":25300.994,"text":"好 謝謝那聽起來是不錯啦因為包括本席所提的提案就是保險法裡面這個規定如果修正通過大概海外的保險資金會回來大概9兆左右9兆希望投入公共建設所以彭主委你推動這個我們是樂觀其成所以主委長如果有好的官員好好做你要不要全力支持呢"},{"start":25302.339,"end":25321.122,"text":"現在的問題就是各部會 其他的部會會扯他的後腿啊 比如說大家最關心的 剛剛講的不斷的發展 那我相信這個院長心裡會覺得 那我們股市到3萬點有沒有問題"},{"start":25328.147,"end":25339.675,"text":"彭卓也很希望各部會提出意見這只有讓事情做得更周圍更圓滿比如說當沖降稅這個事情其實我們對於一些租稅優惠就應該要明定它的時程而且也不應過長"},{"start":25341.175,"end":25343.558,"text":"好的 本席都會舉雙手贊成因為最重要是把台灣這個地方做好"},{"start":25359.139,"end":25384.727,"text":"讓大家安居樂業然後讓韓院長講說 莫忘世上苦人多我們希望說苦人的少一點所以有錢人多一點 然後大家樂捐嘛讓這些苦的人可以得到社會的關懷讓大家同步的成長 貧富懸殊 不要差太大但是 呃 總理長你不要忘了各部會有一些齁 他會出現扯後腿的情況接著我就要想請教一下"},{"start":25387.477,"end":25411.615,"text":"台灣未來發展要做得很好其實就面臨兩個最重要的事情第一個台灣會不會繼續成為國際口中的地緣政治最危險的區域所以院長你為什麼不好好來思考一下現在目前我們大概看起來人民的感覺就是全中華民國政府就全部單邊壓在美國"},{"start":25413.973,"end":25437.474,"text":"你們能不能有另外一條思維大陸這邊不管你喜不喜歡他你要留一線嘛 對不對兩邊留一線日後好相見啊現在不是啊現在我們媒體看到的就是買軍購買軍購民兵要40萬大家要對沖對撞不是民兵這個委員民力不是民兵民力對不起民力因為我沒當過"},{"start":25439.155,"end":25453.473,"text":"議員長"},{"start":25453.735,"end":25466.921,"text":"我想兩岸如果可以來思考推動和平協議不是簽喔只是推動大家聊聊看因為推動和平協議還是要經過台灣2300萬人的一次決議"},{"start":25471.603,"end":25488.944,"text":"我們聽聽看,看看有沒有不同的聲音,就跟兩邊小孩子打架一樣,我們如果每天只是在旁邊出遊怎麼泡好戲泡好戲,本來沒事打起來的時候,大家也不是鼻青臉走而已,搞不好還有傷亡"},{"start":25489.685,"end":25516.807,"text":"所以我希望說 行政院可以思考有沒有另外一個和平的聲音你們不要吵 大家協調一下講一講 也許會有另外一個安全的亮點出現請問一下 組委長兩岸現在多久沒聯繫了我們有陸委會 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那麼他就要去做地質專探等等最後呢 減負一個安全評估報告 大概要60萬元"},{"start":26601.721,"end":26630.414,"text":"接下來呢他為了要去處理建物的合法我們原住民的房子您可以看一下像這種房子喔恐怕都只能用結構安全鑑定每年要2萬塊現在也會有污水法他污水處理呢要處理10萬塊他要面臨他要先處理他的違建罰款6萬以上然後像我們這一些房子他可能呢要用地方還要處理簡易建築的一個管理辦法"},{"start":26631.354,"end":26631.954,"text":"法定人數不足"},{"start":26647.262,"end":26671.171,"text":"就是我們很多原住民看得到的很簡易的房子為什麼他會變成很簡易的房子因為他是賺了10萬塊他就拿來蓋10萬塊他今天家裡的孩子在外面賺了50萬他又多蓋了50萬所以這樣子修修補補縫縫補補的房子如果我們要補照可以看一下PPT要130萬要130萬我想請教院長值嗎"},{"start":26678.285,"end":26692.273,"text":"他會願意去合法嗎兩點跟委員簡單的報告我過去在台北市議會的時候就看過在台北和京郊包括南港一帶地區就很多原住民朋友住在那個地方居住環境確實是很需要改善"},{"start":26692.873,"end":26713.818,"text":"第二點 曾主委我跟他徵詢第一次請他來原民會服務的時候我就跟他談過原住民長期在都市的邊緣﹖或者是在山區裡面的居住的問題﹖土地的問題我們要想辦法來解決所以剛剛談到的這些內容現象我覺得內政部應該也會有很清楚的一個方向那我就繼續講下去"},{"start":26715.518,"end":26742.623,"text":"因為我們是希望內政部既然談到內政部像這種環境敏感地區查詢規費6000塊其實就可以不用了嘛或者是像地質敏感地區的安全評估報告我跟院長報告幾乎啦所有原住民的部落都是住在環境敏感地區啦那你說叫每一戶去鑽幾個洞做地質鑽探有必要嗎那我覺得這個政府可以就整個部落來做這個60萬也可以免了"},{"start":26743.183,"end":26762.6,"text":"那麼至於我們這一些剩下的大概要70萬的關於建物合法化的部分他要面臨剛才我講的水保計畫結構安全鑑定污水處理違規違建的罰款還有這些取得建造的這些建築師畫圖光是蓋一層樓大概就要15到20萬那我覺得"},{"start":26765.959,"end":26787.001,"text":"即便政府幫忙處理了地用的合法這些建築的合法的部分要70萬我一樣要請院長來想一想有多少戶做得到很難那我覺得面對這種歷史承諾所造成的我們要來做合法不需要去分公司"},{"start":26787.901,"end":26805.236,"text":"我覺得我看到一個很棒的特例像我每次去烏來他們都在炒因為他們是水源特定保護區他們面對土地的限制利用強度是更強的他們已經炒了好幾十年但是我看到這個北水特分署"},{"start":26805.836,"end":26830.721,"text":"他很有擔當因為他們現在開始要訂定一個原保地新建自用住宅的一個審查要點讓他們終於可以來新建可以來重建改建這些自用住宅他們怎麼做他們編定一筆經費委託協助區公所去成立這些建築污水水保的一個服務團協助減輕他們的負擔"},{"start":26833.001,"end":26859.895,"text":"那另外我知道的是內政部國土署之前跟原民會合作也有一個所謂的特定區域計畫就是在泰雅族堅實鄉的正西寶斯馬庫斯我知道的是他們告訴我說已經協助200多個用戶用地合法化了所以我覺得政府除了有心其實很多的事情是可以做得到的那我現在是希望說讓"},{"start":26862.711,"end":26863.631,"text":"院長瞭解一下"},{"start":26884.039,"end":26903.761,"text":"我們其實我們的國土長得很不一樣他是很多高山而且是直送的高山可是長期以來我們面對我們的法令的時候都是透過像中國的日本的沿用這些大陸法系沿用像德國這一些法規"},{"start":26904.582,"end":26933.098,"text":"其實我們台灣應該要有自己的法規自己的法律自己的想法我們不應該這樣子縫縫補補那樣的衣服穿了也不好看也不舒服不合身但是我們就是很感慨有一個地圖可以秀一下您看一下那個地方長的是什麼呢其實就是他們的一個農耕用地我希望那個影片要秀出來像這個農耕用地"},{"start":26934.99,"end":26956.484,"text":"這個是我們100多年前的農耕用地院長您知道這個在哪裡嗎左邊是菲律賓右邊是我們的山地門鄉100多年前的山地門鄉跟現在的菲律賓是不是長得一模一樣只是顏色不一樣這個代表什麼"},{"start":26957.861,"end":26985.216,"text":"因為菲律賓他有尊重在地人的傳統智慧去利用他們的耕作方式結果現在成為世界奇蹟我們面對日本人來國民政府來不處理我們的土地的問題在這一段時間愛怎麼用就怎麼用讓很多有經濟這些想法的人來到山上破壞了不是原住民破壞的"},{"start":26986.772,"end":27012.398,"text":"我們幾千年來就是這樣子使用土地非常的可惜這個就是因為我們沒有適用的法律來規範我們怎麼利用不同地區的土地所以我在這邊我希望說原民會一定要有這樣的擔當協助我們這些14萬動戶的族人未來面對建物合法化因為土地合法化內政部要做了"},{"start":27013.462,"end":27037.134,"text":"但是我希望原民會一定要來做一個中長程的計畫分階段的編列經費來協助我們的族人那我也希望內政部也能夠定定清楚的目標跟期程針對105年5月以前的既有建築105年5月以後的建築未來預備興建的這些研議一個用地合法化的策略"},{"start":27037.754,"end":27059.877,"text":"那也希望善用國土永續基金來訂定計劃來編列經費那最重要的是原本今年1月應該要出來的原住民族土地使用管制規則那個是國土計劃法第23條當時允諾原住民最了解自己的土地要怎麼用允諾我們可以自己來制定"},{"start":27060.377,"end":27086.082,"text":"但是我知道的是好幾進好幾退為什麼還是一樣觀念的問題沒有辦法兜攏那我們是希望說都要上路了應該要趕快的公佈讓我們原住民族土地使用管制規則能夠讓大家清楚的知道我們未來可以怎麼使用我們的土地所以我在這邊希望院長能夠同意是不是可以找一個行政院政務委員來做一個任務編組"},{"start":27087.222,"end":27111.894,"text":"報告委員 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太八郎的全台第一例是國土計劃法下面一個鄉村地區整體規劃已經有妥善的土地規劃"},{"start":27112.714,"end":27136.13,"text":"然後你剛有提到說在這個鄭希寶的部分有這個200多筆的土地合法化的部分表示說原民會還有內政部願意一起來做協助來做輔導還有你提到說有關於原住民的土地規則的草案的部分免付環境敏感地區的查詢在105年5月以前的既有建築物全部是由政府吸收規費5800元"},{"start":27145.756,"end":27157.984,"text":"國土計劃法在每一個縣市尤其有原住民鄉鎮的這個功能分居土要送上來那我想你也非常清楚像新竹市花蓮縣他們已經陸陸續續都送上來這裡面都有原住民的部落"},{"start":27163.647,"end":27171.492,"text":"跟委員報告我們這裡一定我們10月7號就會跟內政部再開第三次的這個會議希望能夠站在原住民的立場"},{"start":27172.51,"end":27196.901,"text":"讓原住民的土地能夠實用得更好我們會努力的拜託委員剛剛部長所說的那些內容政府會來解說的你可以更新一下這個內容跟原住民的朋友報告國土計畫法我希望能夠依據聯合國他的一個FPIC事前之前同意原則持續的要求各部會要跟族人揭露資訊這樣可以嗎"},{"start":27198.319,"end":27200.041,"text":"總而言之我們上路已經一年半了"},{"start":27214.221,"end":27242.276,"text":"但是上路以來取得合法錄音證的是0完全沒有那為什麼會完全沒有因為他申請合法也是很難包括我剛剛講的查詢的規費6000取得建造的每年2萬水保檢疫的30到60萬不等還有他的污水處理20到30萬不等然後呢很多人都跟我講說算了他已經花了130萬還是不行算了為什麼"},{"start":27242.876,"end":27269.235,"text":"因為我們的部會不同調光是帳篷砧板這種可以移動的我們一樣的市府公文問觀光署問農業部回答完全不一樣我們光是因為設施到底要不要一定要位在環境敏感地區我們的交通部內政部講的也不一樣所以到目前是0所以我希望這個部分 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ARCGIS然後把國際的圖把它經過校正涵蓋國際圖區域圖亞太圖台灣周遭圖因此台海問題它連結到"},{"start":28067.369,"end":28067.809,"text":"同樣在亞洲的問題﹚"},{"start":28076.243,"end":28104.077,"text":"南海的周邊通通是一環扣一環所以我們要有一個宏觀的看法但是要有微觀細緻的掌握從上到下明確政策指導從下往上力道的支撐能量的展示這要同步作為因此這張圖就是告訴我們為什麼我們要產生基於國家安全我們想到了社會的堅韌民心安定經濟繁榮軍事堅強"},{"start":28107.492,"end":28136.149,"text":"臺海的和平這裏面包括了國安的幾個重要的環節政治面外交面經濟面軍事面其實這都跟兩岸相關另外有關能源社會醫療產業它都是基建相關因此在這個條件下有一個完整的國家安全戰略透過跨部會的橫向協調它可以在比較短的時間做出一個正確比較正確性高的判斷"},{"start":28137.389,"end":28157.044,"text":"像這個環境下 我們不只是做風險控管 情勢控管 衝突的控管我們要做到災害的管制 損管的管制在這個底下 我們看到由陳峰指導 有國安會 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院長也到高雄市來視察相關的滯洪設施也提到說 在我們現場的市長以及我們在地民力代表立委的要求院長也很明快的做出這樣的一個說明跟補充就是說"},{"start":30142.841,"end":30158.08,"text":"議員議員"},{"start":30158.769,"end":30171.127,"text":"中長期的可能就是要到明年的預算或是看相關的前瞻預算有沒有剩餘款這個部分支水的預算是非常重要的那我最主要說這個院長這個35億的預算現在有沒有問題"},{"start":30175.554,"end":30196.366,"text":"我希望它不成為問題因為它成為問題的話就會變成大家共同的問題因為這不只是高雄市相關的治水的預算是全台灣各縣市不分黨派重要的治水預算防災的預算因為你現在是極端氣候這種極端氣候的思念各縣市都有可能面臨相關的重大的風災水災"},{"start":30198.647,"end":30221.492,"text":"臺美颱風之後我們增加了159億總數達到551億的系統性治水我希望他一定要能夠適時的派上用場另外院長我有提到說在2010年法納比颱風也是造成高雄市的重大水災的災情"},{"start":30221.992,"end":30222.292,"text":"主席"},{"start":30252.472,"end":30276.486,"text":"像院長所知道的在這一次7月25號的這樣的一個凱利颱風所造成的這個衝擊對三民區對高雄市這個大樓就有影響那記得在法納比颱風的時候當時的市長陳菊市長有向中央申請相關的補助有一筆3500萬的相關的補助"},{"start":30281.149,"end":30307.878,"text":"來資助相關的基電設施的復原但是卓院長在全國的救災施政的標準都是有一致的這樣的標準跟程序那這個部分是不是院長會將相關大樓的這些地下室的基電設施例如說我們那邊的一棟大樓他的基金只有200萬但是他整體修復基電、電梯、消防等等的配電設施加起來要300多萬"},{"start":30309.458,"end":30318.823,"text":"就是因為他們是大樓他們沒有什麼50公分以上或50公分以下的這種補助那這種行政院會不會去做思考去做調整或是來給予補助請院長說明"},{"start":30321.186,"end":30321.206,"text":"財務部長"},{"start":30342.251,"end":30365.698,"text":"產生新的問題或是發覺新的問題像今年我們對住家之外的小店家小商店本來以前也沒有任何的補助今年我們也特別有一些新的狀況新的補助的情形那委員兩三次都隨循到這個大樓底下機電設備那我現在手中的資料好像是有91棟的大樓在前一次開明颱風有受到損失"},{"start":30366.118,"end":30366.978,"text":"實際的狀況之後我會跟部長再做精密的一個研究"},{"start":30395.486,"end":30395.826,"text":"交通部陳士凱"},{"start":30418.637,"end":30436.651,"text":"陳部長您好,針對這種極端型氣候對於我們交通安全的衝擊是非常的大,尤其這一次的三坨爾颱風不管是公路系統或是鐵道系統,它相關受到風災衝擊之後相關安全的檢視是非常重要"},{"start":30437.231,"end":30458.05,"text":"當然我們會基於公班他們在復原的這樣狀況安全是最重要的第二是安全的這樣道路不管是鐵道公路的安全品質足不足以負荷人民的這種交通的需求那這次風災之後你們針對公路以及鐵路有沒有相關的這樣一個檢視的程序呢"},{"start":30459.302,"end":30481.769,"text":"報告委員您比較關心的部分全台的這個公路系統我們現在也都有固定定期的這個邊坡的檢視像今天在基隆那個國一高速公路基隆南下的部分在上高速公路的地方邊坡就坍塌了也造成淹水所以就早上先封閉一直到10點半這個部分我們針對邊坡會做一個總體檢"},{"start":30483.69,"end":30506.736,"text":"在這次的颱風過後會做一個總體檢所以高速公路的部分是這個樣子那公路跟鐵路的部分其實大家比較擔心的會是東部的部分那東部的部分因為4月3號的這個地震之後那個邊坡其實是非常的鬆動所以我們幾個防治的作為第一個就是說跟氣象署合作我們做一個QPE 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院長好 部長好"},{"start":30735.353,"end":30760.682,"text":"那針對這次山脫颱風襲台當然在災前防台跟災後重建的工作上也感謝我們國軍警消人員還有我們很多的行政體系相關的同仁所做的努力那當然我們也是可以肯定也感謝他們辛苦了那針對這次山脫颱風主要造成南台灣的影響數字比較嚴重 院長"},{"start":30764.379,"end":30765.079,"text":"請問他正式登錄的時候是幾號?"},{"start":30785.18,"end":30786.041,"text":"昨天的12點40分"},{"start":30815.42,"end":30818.121,"text":"這部分的停電應該是外力造成目前我們收到的訊息"},{"start":30843.072,"end":30847.036,"text":"是外力造成短暫時間的停電對 針對這部分其實我們是有問過台電啦台電的說法是說他是當然又歸咎於說電力潰線的跳脫那其實針對"},{"start":30860.991,"end":30881.179,"text":"電力潰線跳脫在桃園 其實如果部長有瞭解 院長應該也可以掌握一下桃園最近這個講台電說潰線跳脫停電 真的不知道講了多少次那我們針對這一次 你看 颱風10月3號才到 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鋼 鎘的含量以及燃燒時候所產生的鈣耀鋅的排放量都是我們垃圾焚化爐的標準而且是一模一樣當初我們彭部長"},{"start":31802.182,"end":31819.807,"text":"也有講說會重研來處理那可是後來很可惜我們看到9月份好像9月份的簡報我們看到好像還是一樣我相信這個院長應該也有記憶那時候在總諮詢的時候我們有提出"},{"start":31822.93,"end":31841.347,"text":"報告委員其實第一個是SRF如果製造廠經過完整的分類篩選之後他就沒有那種所謂的燒垃圾的問題基本上沒有一件事情是垃圾他基本上是可以被回收的那回收完了之後經過分類之後進到燃燒的鍋爐那鍋爐之後基本上就不會有這些問題"},{"start":31842.168,"end":31870.05,"text":"但是問題是說我們現在把這種任何燒的找到一個最嚴格目前我們國內最嚴格的還是以焚化爐那焚化爐只要它包含了帶氧性的管制能夠加一些拖流或是說除碳的這種設備的話其實這個問題就可以解決所以也請委員放心這個我們後來比較的是歐盟還有全世界各最嚴格的標準拿來所以目前我必須說我們SRF標準是全世界我們把所有列出來每一個國家有的我們就把它列進去"},{"start":31870.45,"end":31875.927,"text":"所以部長你意思說現在我們SRF的標準是OK的"},{"start":31876.437,"end":31897.276,"text":"是OK的可是我們看了以後其實我們針對ISF這個標準我們燃料的部分其實當然是國際的最低標然後針對這個代耗芯的部分我們現在看一下代耗芯的部分因為我知道我們後來有去針對16家廠商有做總體檢而且"},{"start":31902.08,"end":31922.087,"text":"我們這個總級檢測排放量據我了解還是還是低標的用低標的方式去去檢測那居然用低標的方式去檢測16家裡面合格的只有12家也就是說有4家他這個戴耀星的排放量是超標的低標他還超標喔對吧"},{"start":31923.647,"end":31949.277,"text":"對報告委員其實他們都承諾他們如果要繼續用下去的話我們也給他一點點時間然後要達到我們的標準才可以進行那報告委員因為我這樣那麼嚴格所以今天中國時報還特別說我們這樣就扼殺了產業的發展所以也請委員要諒解說我們積極在保護國人的生活的安全那我們還是會跟一些工業的安全我們會給他們一點點時間去改善但是我們一定會去讓他所有都打標"},{"start":31950.305,"end":31950.465,"text":"主席"},{"start":31969.834,"end":31983.599,"text":"現在桃園市府也針對我們SRF廠好像也有撤銷入園好像也送到經濟部 是吧 郭部長送到經濟部報告委員 現在業者他已經對這個桃園市政府的處分提出訴願"},{"start":31985.819,"end":32002.707,"text":"我們現在由經濟部的訴願委員會審理之中我們會依相關事實跟法律的專業來做決定環境部的彭部長有跟您報告我們現在就是依最嚴格的規範來處理他們的訴願"},{"start":32007.869,"end":32030.507,"text":"我也希望中央跟地方可以聯合來希望中央能夠理解支持因為其實我們一直有講我們也不是反傷我們也希望經濟要能夠好但是當初這個入園確實我覺得缺乏一些程序正義那有些部分該補足的部分還是要去補足該嚴格執行的地方還是要去嚴格執行"},{"start":32031.067,"end":32052.18,"text":"因為現在地方民意真的反彈很大一直都希望是不是針對這一部分能夠做民意調查甚至有人說是不是應該要提出公投能夠傾聽基層的聲音當然這一部分我也希望經濟部跟市府針對這一部分好好來為我們民眾的健康把關解決這個空氣汙染的問題"},{"start":32054.582,"end":32055.442,"text":"我們會讓我們在桃園的鄉親了解"},{"start":32082.955,"end":32101.746,"text":"我們確實為鄉親的健康在做把關我希望說我們中央也要顧全到我們民眾基層的心聲針對這部分SRF真的要好好的管理好好的管制不要給民眾有太多的疑慮"},{"start":32102.546,"end":32121.915,"text":"報告委員其實觀音的地方還有很多不明的地下工廠我們現在環境部也很主動的用AI的方式收集一些氣體我們也特別送給觀音的一些代表希望他們能夠主動幫我們抓我們希望把這種偷牌的當地民眾引以為恐慌的問題能夠找到"},{"start":32124.175,"end":32148.721,"text":"那也希望我們大家中央地方能夠把這些問題都做一個最好的解決的方式那針對藻礁的部分因為這一部分可能要跟大家說明一下在109年11月的時候我們的前總統蔡英文總統有去視察觀音沿海藻礁因為當時選定我們觀塘的工業區那邊要來做"},{"start":32149.795,"end":32173.921,"text":"三接工程所以當時針對沿海藻礁很多環保人士保育團體針對這個三接工程可能會破壞藻礁的問題當時我們蔡英文總統也有提出要提出10億的基金來保育藻礁的生態那針對這部分後來我們看到好像中油公司"},{"start":32175.488,"end":32198.902,"text":"後來編列這個基金好像叫做生態保育基金好像並不是完全針對山階工程破壞藻礁而成立的那這部分我們郭部長你要不要說明一下報告委員這個部分我想我回去以後再跟中友討論一下子為什麼就像你所指教的這一個為什麼那兩個字不見"},{"start":32200.426,"end":32227.046,"text":"對因為我又在這邊說明就是說當初成立這個確實就是蔡總統去視察三階施工會破壞藻礁而且當時在現場給民眾的承諾那後來我們就覺得說為什麼不是藻礁生態保育那只是單純做生態我想說單純做生態中油幹嘛要去搶環境部的工作"},{"start":32227.466,"end":32229.009,"text":"應該是那個時候還沒有成立環境部"},{"start":32241.904,"end":32260.412,"text":"那重點我真的希望這部分我們專款專用而且當初成立這個宗旨就是為了保護藻礁那結果另一個這個名目好像不是專門為藻礁而且感覺好像是好像不知道以為是環境部成立的一個基金會"},{"start":32261.252,"end":32261.793,"text":"找交基金管理委員會"},{"start":32285.973,"end":32297.587,"text":"徵詢一下因為我現在針對說地方人士還有一些保育團體他們所提出的疑慮因為當初中友總經理跟副總經理當初剛開始對於藻礁"},{"start":32301.56,"end":32327.823,"text":"發表的言論讓他們覺得並不是很友好而且還有我們中研院的學者他當時也是支持三階外推而且他說不會破壞藻礁然後我們的基金監察人是我們的前環保署副署長 詹順貴他們一直說這樣子的黃金陣容讓他們覺得非常憂心因為找了一堆"},{"start":32328.704,"end":32330.746,"text":"是的,我們回去以後會來瞭解"},{"start":32350.25,"end":32376.458,"text":"好那這部分請部長多幫忙針對這個成員能夠幫我們來瞭解篩選一下因為我們認為藻礁的保育基金當然要保護藻礁對這個藻礁保護很有心很想做的人去做不應該是反對藻礁的人去做這個藻礁保育基金還有我們針對棕油藻礁保育那部長你知不知道我們"},{"start":32377.628,"end":32404.304,"text":"找交保育的現在的成果怎麼樣沒關係我大概說明因為在之前111年我們中游針對關棠生育保育成果發表會他說保育成果豐碩可是我們看真的是非常非常的憂心因為根據我們查到的數據"},{"start":32405.762,"end":32422.213,"text":"了解而且這個數據也是臺灣中油他們自己做的監測報告我們看一下從108年到113年他這個監測站是最接近三接的地方結果你看從108年這個三個監測站他的"},{"start":32427.276,"end":32450.677,"text":"他的平均值阿最少都還有50幾%高的到81%多針對他這個殼狀珊瑚礁覆蓋率的部分有這麼高可是從108年開始都還可以可是你看喔從108年11月山階開始建造以後你看看這個藻礁"},{"start":32452.492,"end":32464.669,"text":"殼狀珊瑚礁覆蓋率大幅下降而且你看從80幾%已經到剩10幾%了這個是中油自己做的數據喔那不知道部長你針對這有什麼看法"},{"start":32466.271,"end":32482.648,"text":"這個我要再了解一下請彭部長報告委員這個我會跟我們因為我們有緩管師會去因為專門去監測考察這個環評通過有沒有按照原來的方式做那報告委員我會把這個數據拿回去我們再調查再送一份報告給委員"},{"start":32484.223,"end":32498.051,"text":"對因為這個數據喔真的讓我們大家很憂心這就跟我們剛剛前面有講這個藻礁保育基金的問題你看當初大家也是相信政府說三接不會迫害藻礁那"},{"start":32499.011,"end":32499.571,"text":"人類跟大自然和平相處"},{"start":32528.217,"end":32528.697,"text":"接下來我們請登記第56位張志倫委員質詢"},{"start":32571.414,"end":32580.184,"text":"好 謝謝謝謝院長各位委員各位官員大家午安我們是不是有請這個卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢"},{"start":32592.017,"end":32610.406,"text":"張委員好卓院長好辛苦了這幾天今天的質詢一整天非常辛苦本席在這邊最近颱風所有我們第一線的警消還有所有救災的人員至上最深的敬意大家辛苦了院長辛苦了應該的"},{"start":32612.093,"end":32640.083,"text":"好那接下來要請教院長的部分就是我本身來自的選區是新北市中和也是我們韓院長的家鄉所以當我一開始上任以來我對很多的地方的大型的建設我非常的關心那也認為我們中和地方的大型建設它的時程都一般來講都拖得比較長所以我一直在關心希望很多的時程可以進速可以加速有些不必要的這個"},{"start":32641.303,"end":32642.204,"text":"中和污水下水道接管"},{"start":32663.079,"end":32687.656,"text":"說明一下他是從民國9393年就已經開始做這個中和污水下水道的接管那現在已經這個將近30年了那中國還有大概10萬的人南四角的人沒有接管所以在這個111年3月的時候由國土府核定12.87億的中和污水下水道接管"},{"start":32689.377,"end":32689.857,"text":"所以這邊我跟這個院長要請託的就是說"},{"start":32714.691,"end":32741.922,"text":"現在總共的總經費大概是12.87億那第一階段只核准的是大概3億多3億多的部分那總共可以讓3萬多戶來接管就是10萬人所以當時我在拜託這個陳院長的時候當時在我還記得在113年4月份的時候那時候是可行性評估報告那可行性整個就通過了"},{"start":32743.323,"end":32743.703,"text":"請問院長這樣可以嗎?"},{"start":32767.25,"end":32787.145,"text":"好的謝謝委員 污水下水道象徵一個都市真的是個翻身的機會讓他乾乾淨那是不是內政部將來也是要跟地方政府再多做的協調預算這方面我們透過程序來編列那執行的工作還是要拜託地方政府那過程怎麼樣請部長來說明"},{"start":32788.226,"end":32808.75,"text":"報告委員我想你都知道現在國土署的分署正在審查當中那我們如果分署審查完了又需要發包我們一定按照原來的採購的發包程序在辦理然後你有提到說那個預算是不是不夠我想不會因為一個整體計劃如果通過之後他就分一二三四期慢慢來往前推進我們會跟新北市政府一起來努力"},{"start":32809.481,"end":32809.621,"text":"謝謝部長跟院長"},{"start":32839.741,"end":32868.655,"text":"我們一起來爭取當時其實過去綜合交流道在尖峰的時期它每個小時的這個車流量高達4000步所以過去都會一直塞車那我們在上個會期的時候我們一起來努力現在很多鄉親從南部就是往北在綜合往綜合的方向因為當時已經爭取了3000萬的經費把這個路肩給取消把路肩給重新來鋪設所以現在如果很多綜合的鄉親從中南部回來"},{"start":32870.557,"end":32889.317,"text":"會發現出口變雙車道增加一倍的車流量所以已經不是這麼塞車了可是過去一直以來還有一個問題就是說不管是北向跟南向都會遇到一個問題就是說有些車子要往中和交流道往中和的方向去走"},{"start":32890.251,"end":32903.051,"text":"那有些車子要往板橋往64的方向跑結果會造成道路交織的問題所以高空局就規劃了14.9億需要偵測閘道把閘道的這些標示往前拉"},{"start":32903.929,"end":32926.219,"text":"未來讓民眾可以提早做這個分流的狀況那希望未來可以慢慢的一步一步降低這個塞車的問題可是現在當時這個計畫我再重新報告一次當時在陳建仁院長的時候是可行性評估報告有通過那現在的部分因為這個整個計畫要7年所以我們可以看到下一個表現在還在113年的這個部分"},{"start":32928.5,"end":32928.861,"text":"行政院院長"},{"start":32946.679,"end":32972.817,"text":"之前是需要說113年的年底就可以核准那他當然還有抓了幾個月的這個緩衝期那我希望說現在已經送到國發會了那也希望說行政院這邊可以來協助看是不是在113年的年底就順利來核准因為整個工期其實要當達7年的時間那我剛剛也跟部長跟院長報告過了這個交通塞車的問題一定要快速來解決所以是不是這邊可以拜託院長"},{"start":32973.638,"end":32984.452,"text":"如果可行性評估報告之前陳院長大概一個月的時間就覺得OK了那院長的部分是不是也可以從善如流 盡快來核定請部長說明"},{"start":32989.171,"end":33018.219,"text":"目前高工局會接續來辦理這個中規的部分那在國發會的部分那應該國發會的速度也都很快現在我們交通方面的建設我們都很清楚說大家民眾都非常的急尤其是綜合這個塞車的問題所有的人開車經過那裡都感受得到所以這個部分當然我們會加速來進行那國發會跟委員報告我們是9月27號收到函所以有在10月1號發文各部會我們正在等各部會回覆意見"},{"start":33019.639,"end":33048.539,"text":"好 謝謝那就拜託我們各部會的首長大家一起來努力希望在年底之前我們盡快把它給核定好不好是的好 謝謝好 那接下來我要請教的是剛剛討論的是一開始綜合污水下水到10萬人然後再來是我們的國道交流道改善每個小時高達這個4000車次的問題要解決結果現在發現一個另外一個問題要拜託院長來協助就是我們綜合有一個綜合分局"},{"start":33049.99,"end":33074.631,"text":"他現在遇到的問題第一個是他的年限已老就是已經用了很長的時間而且過去有兩地駐地辦公的一個問題就是綜合分局他的駐地在一般的警察事務在另外一個地方有偵查隊在執勤兩邊執勤造成很多的一些行政資源上的浪費跟辦公處所一個浪費"},{"start":33079.295,"end":33098.692,"text":"中和因為我們有一些企業他在做一些都市計畫改變了以後其實他有捐贈一筆這個用地給我們的中和分局所以用地問題解決了可是營造的費用將未來會蓋地上7層地下4層的建築物營造費用有9億"},{"start":33100.117,"end":33121.25,"text":"那這個部分其實新北市政府地方在籌措資源上有相當的困難所以是不是這邊請院長針對我們綜合分局他是要服務40萬人民的一個這個警察分局他的這個新建金費用地有了可是新建金費不足的問題是不是可以拜託院長來幫忙"},{"start":33125.598,"end":33140.726,"text":"蔣委員都非常清楚也很努力就是我們在現在的綜合分局因為他的耐震沒有達到這個拆除重建所以並不符合前瞻計畫裡面拆除重建但是因為我們新北市政府已經請這個市政府先用技術服務費768萬"},{"start":33142.967,"end":33144.028,"text":"新北市政府新北市政府"},{"start":33161.841,"end":33163.022,"text":"請新北市政府向中央申請分年所需要的經費"},{"start":33184.684,"end":33184.744,"text":"謝謝部長的說明"},{"start":33197.026,"end":33216.332,"text":"施主當然是一定的那是我們警察同仁所需要的聽社配所以這邊我也希望院長跟部長其實各地全台灣各縣市都有這些公有聽社老舊的問題尤其是警消的聽社老舊所以是不是說過去我知道說內政部很辛苦"},{"start":33216.832,"end":33241.433,"text":"都會有請各縣市來盤點有需要維修的部分做些維修的經費可是我這邊也比較大膽的希望院長跟部長可以主動來去盤點去追蹤去編列經費針對全台灣這個錦囂聽塞老舊的部分主動編列經費主動來修繕或是甚至有些真的是有些耐震的問題也必須如果要拆除的"},{"start":33241.733,"end":33264.049,"text":"報告委員其實本來就有了他只是說他要滾動式的調整所以那個行政院都非常支持他是按照滾動式調整之後如果知道他老舊廳舍他按照老舊廳舍的需求他一年一年都會一直補助下去全台灣都是這樣子所以所有各縣市地方政府的警察局長都知道那他們也都在爭取所以我們每一年都會有厚厚的一本跟行政院來爭取這個經費"},{"start":33267.273,"end":33278.742,"text":"謝謝部長謝謝院長接下來我要問的問題就比較尖銳一點我要請教的就是說大家都知道最近這個電費又要漲了其實"},{"start":33283.906,"end":33310.728,"text":"國民黨黨團的立場一向都很直接就是希望電價要動漲不管是企業或者是民間的尤其是民間的一定要動漲可是我們看到從民進黨執政這幾年來尤其蔡英文政府跟賴清德政府普遍調漲電費已經高達40%我們現在所知道的台電現在是這個負毛利率"},{"start":33312.409,"end":33335.987,"text":"負債比高達90%現在累積虧損高達4000多億那不包含過去政府已經補貼他的3000億所以這邊我要請教院長就是說我這邊拿到一份資料這個資料是應該是國發會做的吧這個112年到122年間10年的這個電力規劃情形"},{"start":33339.632,"end":33360.64,"text":"這10年電力規劃情形不看不知道一看真的是要嚇一跳我們來看一下這個電力規劃情形從112年民進黨政府決定這個核能核二除疫然後把一些這個燃煤也除以後結果他未來做的是什麼"},{"start":33362.644,"end":33388.121,"text":"我們來看一下先從這個表圖的上面來看2023年2024年2025年民進黨政府的決議就是要把核能給除役然後把一些燃煤燃煤跟燃氣的把它救市的把它除役可是民進黨政府沒有跟人民講的是在100在112年的時候2023年的時候因為當時政府就只發揮只做"},{"start":33389.446,"end":33417.996,"text":"綠電所以當時在113年的時候全臺灣可以看到這個最下面這個夜間的尖峰的這個被轉容量只到8.1所以要跟院長跟部長講的是你沒有跟人民講的是在民進黨的能源政策底下出入的能源政策底下未來臺灣就是第一個用的是新建的燃氣白天的時候"},{"start":33418.675,"end":33433.065,"text":"是要用綠能用高額的電費來支付電費所以這邊要先請教部長的部分還有院長的部分你們可以看到112年的時候以這個圖表來看"},{"start":33435.154,"end":33464.478,"text":"新增的就是太陽能光電所以造成113年的缺電然後我們113年的時候大量的開啟新的這個燃氣廠以及太陽能光電所以第一個我要請教這個院長跟部長的我們可以看到這張表綠色的就是燃氣藍色的就是光電那光電這邊有個特別的內容就是"},{"start":33466.072,"end":33493.148,"text":"沒有 前面沒有任何的地點意思就是民營電廠所以要跟院長跟部長請教第一個點就是我相信民進黨政府沒有跟人民講的是說白天 未來台灣的能源政就是白天用人民的血汗錢發電就是用高額的綠能來發電晚上 因為綠能沒有辦法發電所以晚上就是用廢發電就是不夠的電力用燃煤來補"},{"start":33495.155,"end":33523.33,"text":"請教院長跟部長這就是民進黨未來的能源政策嗎報告委員我想這個用燃氣來取代燃煤這是一個世界的方向那麼在這個還沒有說這個2050年要進行減碳的時候那麼世界在發電的成本來看那麼燃煤跟燃氣是比較低的但是因為有了2050年要減碳的這個目標"},{"start":33524.875,"end":33525.155,"text":"主席主席"},{"start":33544.397,"end":33573.435,"text":"我要請先請教這個部長的問題就是我們可以看到這張太陽能光電的表從民國104年當時台電跟民營電廠其實當時的發電量是差不多的可是我們可以看到從110年111年不管是民營電廠的發電量大幅的上增而且我剛剛特別跟你報告通通都是民營電廠為什麼台電不自己做光電通通要把"},{"start":33574.349,"end":33578.613,"text":"交給民營電廠的話是希望能夠透過競爭民間的這個競爭讓我們的這個電的成本可以更低"},{"start":33600.19,"end":33620.009,"text":"這是交給民營電廠的成本會更低我們看到下一張表這邊這個是台電公布的資料台電的自發電力的電費跟外購電力大家可以看到一個明顯不相當的金額如果我們是台電自發的電力風力發電是4.61"},{"start":33623.53,"end":33638.198,"text":"外購電力就是民營電廠的購電力是6.59增加了40%意思就是人民會認為這個表這麼清楚的展現出來要給民營企業就是要給他40%的利潤太陽能發電致力發電3.75給外購電力要4.85"},{"start":33644.947,"end":33668.685,"text":"漲幅30%那我們來看燃氣現在民間沒有什麼企業會做燃氣為什麼因為外購電力3.62可是台電自發2.96漲幅只有22%我想請問院長跟部長的這樣子大家不會趨之若鶩認為政府就是要保護綠電給它固定的利潤而且要保證採購的量嗎"},{"start":33671.682,"end":33694.901,"text":"律電的部分還是一樣因為我們要快速的讓這個市場上要得到這麼多的律電如果說光是台電自己下去做可能會速度很慢所以我們需要民間的這個所以部長你講的沒錯因為當時過去台灣就已經自己台電就有做律電那台電從現在我們剛剛看到最前面那張表"},{"start":33695.95,"end":33718.363,"text":"在112年到112年間喔臺電經濟部是完全放棄自己做綠電完全不做全部交給民營電廠而且民營電廠就是保證用高價收購保證收購的一個態度私下還得知你們都請這個調度單位一定要請這個調度單位一定要用綠電這樣子去做"},{"start":33721.946,"end":33736.966,"text":"所以我常常才會跟部長跟院長講政府沒有說的秘密就是白天用綠電用人民的血汗錢發電晚上用廢發電就是空污的問題無法解決我覺得部長院長你沒有好好解釋我沒有辦法"},{"start":33738.587,"end":33760.164,"text":"政府沒有什麼秘密沒有說而是用公開的這個圖表來告訴國人我們在2024、25、26是我們舊電廠廚藝的高峰期那為了這個廚藝的高峰期我們必須比較快速有效率的能補充這些電廠那除了台電自己做的之外你講過我們需要效率所以用民營電廠來補充"},{"start":33761.445,"end":33763.687,"text":"台電有沒有考慮要自己做綠電台電自己設綠電這個是方向"},{"start":33780.871,"end":33804.413,"text":"我現在從112年到112年間10年都沒有方向我們現在目前是這樣 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