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市場活絡是有幫助的"},{"start":3290.251,"end":3318.428,"text":"再者對於資本市場的一個發展跟政府的證交稅的收入其實在這兩方面也都是往上所以是說在坐標的我們看到不管是市場不管是稅收是雙頭並進而這個地方在量能好的時候其實掛牌公司它有享受到一個比較高的所謂本益比跟股價淨值的上升而且它的投資成本也會下降"},{"start":3319.248,"end":3337.254,"text":"提升它的競爭力也會吸引優良的企業進駐持續注入進駐臺灣而且會帶動一個證券產業的一個發展所以政府在這個地方也可以增加我們的稅收而我們目前為止為什麼是說三年其實"},{"start":3338.694,"end":3363.868,"text":"委員們各個的提案都是贊成但是會有一些所謂的三年五年這時間上的一個不一樣其實也是因應目前國際上面仍然有許多不確定的因素不管是美國降稅中美科技戰或者是景氣循環低迷的時候都需要我們所謂的這個當沖災的地方來做一些避免陷入我們市場陷入一個流動性風險"},{"start":3365.734,"end":3384.017,"text":"而在景氣復甦的時候也可以有一些些的價差讓投資人享受到一些利益而策略性的交易需求也可以維持市場的動能最後正如我剛剛提到各版本的分析"},{"start":3384.798,"end":3402.663,"text":"整體而言都是贊成我們在這個羅委員明才等20人賴委員世保等25人吳委員麗華等19人跟賴委員惠元等37人林委員楚英等19人所提的一個修法草案的這些五案當中呢"},{"start":3405.644,"end":3431.594,"text":"都是贊成延長只是如我所言其實延長的時間長短的版本呢跟我們這個行政院含送大院的版本不同那也如同剛剛部長所說我們呢其實三年在這個地方的因應國際的一個所謂的情勢我們維持激動彈性的一個調整在結論上面我們可以看到這不管是市場動能會稅收是雙頭上前"},{"start":3433.495,"end":3454.349,"text":"前進而延長條件當中這個證交稅有助市場流通性縮小一個買賣價差發現價格深化資本市場的一個效能對於我國經濟的成長也是有怎樣的實質的一個幫助儘管為呢在這個地方呢也"},{"start":3455.69,"end":3478.215,"text":"請各位委員能支持行政院函請審議同條文的修正草案我們也會協同周邊單位我們的證交所歸買中心持續積極推動相關活絡股市的一個措施以提升資本市場的競爭力以上報告也祝各位委員和家喜樂平安身體健康謝謝"},{"start":3480.929,"end":3497.407,"text":"好 謝謝接著我們再補充介紹賴思寶委員在現場那請問一下賴思寶委員你要做那個提案說明嗎沒有齁好那針對的本日議程現在開始詢答先做以下的先告"},{"start":3498.615,"end":3524.967,"text":"一、每位出席的委員花言的時間本委員會是8分鐘必要的時候可以延長2分鐘每位列席的委員花言的時間是5分鐘今天上午10點我們就截止花言的登記本次會議的委員若有相關的修正動議請敬送主席台現在一登記的順序我們請登記第一順位的林德虎委員質詢"},{"start":3537.877,"end":3555.014,"text":"謝謝主席、莊部長還有與會各列席官員各銀行的董事長、總經理還有金管會副局長以及所有列席金管會的官員是不是請莊部長莊部長"},{"start":3562.612,"end":3590.666,"text":"委員長你好對於台美租稅協定的推動時程因為本席曾經質詢過這一屆國會改選前有沒有機會來通過你說就算是美國下屆新國會財政部也是會努力的來推動請問部長財政部一直努力在推動但是到目前為止還是沒有辦法確定它的進度"},{"start":3591.747,"end":3597.03,"text":"就你所知,原因真的是美國國會的兩黨的國會議員對於同樣包括在內的美國國內稅法有不同意見嗎?"},{"start":3610.094,"end":3626.895,"text":"各位委員報告有關台美ADTA這個案子包括快速減免法案跟授權法案在這個眾院的時候一月就已經通過了那現在目前在參院那又尤其是因為它是包國法案那包國法案裡面因為對於其他的另外一個法務"},{"start":3629.616,"end":3655.713,"text":"參議院有意見以至於這個案子目前停滯在參議院但是就我所知美方的行政部門以及國會跨黨派的議員依然是非常支持臺美洽簽ADTA這個案子不管是本部跟對方的美方的財政部也好或者是外交部以及我們的駐美代表以及還有AIT這邊都非常的密切的關注這個案子的推動情形"},{"start":3657.194,"end":3666.478,"text":"你認為有沒有可能藉由包裹立法手段取得貿易談判的籌碼有關貿易談判這個部分事實上並不是在這個包裹法案裡面那有關貿易談判因為也不是屬於我們財政部在我方也不是財政部的執掌在對方也不是美方的財政部執掌而在我們這邊是由經貿談判公司在主政所以我們這個部分事實上是我們在積極推動有關"},{"start":3684.306,"end":3705.174,"text":"我們會積極的跟美方這邊做相關的密切關注的一些聯繫當然我們也知道美國在11月就有大選那這個部分恐怕等大選後才會有進一步的進展因為幾個禮拜前AIT處長古立炎來拜會財政部那請問你和古立炎處長對台美避免雙重課稅協定這個"},{"start":3710.046,"end":3737.261,"text":"的現況到底有沒有進一步討論或看法?跟委員報告鼓勵原處長因為從7月就任到AIT處長以後他就禮貌性的拜會我國的相關的部會所以在上個月來到財政部那都是禮貌性的拜會有沒有談到這一點是禮貌性沒有談是不是?ADTA這個事情當然每方關注我方也關注彼此都會談到那當然就是就如同我剛剛所報告目前在參議院"},{"start":3739.322,"end":3754.053,"text":"那要恐怕等到美國大選以後看看有沒有再進一步的機會推動那因為股處長其實也是第三次到台灣就任我們財政部的一些高階的主管們其實跟他都熟識所以也有一些敘舊的大家都聊得蠻開心的"},{"start":3755.074,"end":3781.659,"text":"近來中國動作博大連APEC特使人選都傳出中國有意見那基於美國、中國以及台灣的雙方關係的變化那整個目前台美租稅協定的進度你認為有沒有中國介入干預變數的存在有沒有我沒有這樣方面的訊息並沒有聽到這樣的訊息沒有齁部長"},{"start":3782.879,"end":3803.307,"text":"在全球貿易這個整個貿易全球化的時代台灣的產業想要做全世界的生意除了強化自身產品的品質特色和安全外那再加入區域經濟組織和簽署自由貿易協定絕對是有其必要但是吼這些年吶"},{"start":3804.167,"end":3817.697,"text":"台灣與其他國家洽簽的自由貿易協定的進度可以說非常的緩慢幾乎沒有進展宣傳多年的這個CPTPP就是跨太平洋這個"},{"start":3820.086,"end":3840.365,"text":"合同全面進步協定到現在為止也沒有具體的進展就是連宣稱關係友好的美日和澳簽訂的FTA也看不到它的結果部長對於產業轉型政府或許持續的推動"},{"start":3841.246,"end":3863.518,"text":"但是你認為光是數位轉型品牌的建立就能夠協助這些弱勢產業找到真正的春天嗎?我想我們要強化我們自己的產業不管是轉型也好或是淨零也好、淨零排碳也好都是國際競爭上面需要做到的那至於參與所謂的國際的所謂TPP等等"},{"start":3866.9,"end":3884.085,"text":"那行政院的經貿辦公室都會在後面...但是都沒有進展啊!這個部分應該他們會更清楚有啦!很高調啦!但是都沒有進展啦!換句話說如果自由貿易協定還是沒有辦法簽訂你認為整個國內產業在供應鏈重組的這個短鏈革命中又應該要怎麼樣去面對它的挑戰呢?"},{"start":3893.387,"end":3918.614,"text":"我們要強化我們自己的產業體制然後在國際上取得一個關鍵的地位我們以我們的出口來說我們的今年的出口其實會創一年的次高我們是有信心尤其我們在AI以及人工智慧高效能運算這方面具有產能以及製程的優勢那這個部分我們在國際上具有關鍵地位的時候別人自然就需要靠我們的一個供應那個部長"},{"start":3921.755,"end":3936.286,"text":"其實齁,台積電就看出來了啦。他們人家要我們去設,我們就設。到現在為止怎麼樣?幾乎啦。講實在話,我們一取一求,但是我們要跟人家洽簽,人家就慢慢來吧。"},{"start":3937.507,"end":3961.107,"text":"我認為這方面政府應該要去想辦法突破部長媒體報導台股當沖降稅優惠今年年底屆期行政院版的修法延長優惠的措施到2027年底一股股市日均值能夠維持在4000億元到4500億元左右之間"},{"start":3962.648,"end":3975.553,"text":"那部長當中降稅的千文之三降到千文之一1.5最早是2017年4月28號實施經過兩度的延長請問目前修法延長是不是唯一的選項"},{"start":3978.231,"end":4002.423,"text":"這個部分我們跟金管會有過相關的討論當然資本市場或證券市場相關的一個流動性或增加它的活絡性它的措施有很多那這個部分當沖降稅是其中的一項我想應該不是唯一那我請問你部長能不能說明當沖降稅常態化和取消當沖降稅被行政院排除的理由"},{"start":4004.475,"end":4019.721,"text":"當中降稅常態化這個部分我們必須要說明依據納稅者權力保護法的規定租稅的優惠要明定實施的年限要達成它合理的政策目的為限不可以過度所以沒有所謂把它取消然後成為常態化的目的"},{"start":4021.501,"end":4048.421,"text":"至於要不要取消當中降稅這樣的一個措施我想金管會剛剛副主委已經有過相關的一個說明基本上我們認為維持證券市場的一個流動性而且代表整體資本市場的一個活絡照部長跟剛剛金管會的說法就是不能常態化卻能接受動態調整合理化修法來延長當中降稅他理由的依據到底是什麼"},{"start":4049.201,"end":4068.097,"text":"就是剛剛委員所說的就是一個動態的調整那這個期間上我們認為是三年適宜的那如果要是取消當中降稅中央政府稅收股市成交量能這個台股投資人外資以及國內財經等等層面有哪些會受到"},{"start":4069.137,"end":4087.957,"text":"最大的一個衝擊跟委員報告證券市場的交易量受到許多因素的影響不管是政治、經濟還有國際情勢、投資人的心理等等的因素那當沖降稅會造成交易量多大的一個變化可能單獨要把它分裂出來並不是一個容易而且具體客觀的一個數據部長是"},{"start":4089.218,"end":4107.31,"text":"因為本席認為說這個納保法第六條租稅優惠常態化的可行性被排除以導致政府修法延長當沖降稅每次要找不同的條件讓修法延長合理化那我請問部長你認為"},{"start":4110.331,"end":4128.883,"text":"這是修法的常態嗎?因為資本市場的變動因素很多當然在修法的時候他必須考量當時的一些情形來作為是不是要做持續延長的一個因素那因為以前的狀況跟現在狀況有不同的時候當然修法的理由就會有不同"},{"start":4129.423,"end":4157.766,"text":"部長當初當沖降稅是基於股市量能創新低那基於振興股市的考量結果第一次延長第二次的延長理由不但不同甚至於就像為了刺激台股量能當沖降稅宛如稀釋興奮劑也在所不惜那我請問部長難道不會造成整個政策這個降稅修法污名化嗎"},{"start":4159.282,"end":4181.941,"text":"我想我們會極力的說明為什麼會要這樣降稅那金管會剛剛副主委也說明的很清楚這樣的一個措施採取的一些理由那或者部長你認為未來還會有第四次延長第五次延長會不會這個部分沒有辦法做預期因為本席認為說因為三年的時間的變動其實是有因為本席認為說真的"},{"start":4183.522,"end":4192.783,"text":"要慎重考量修法延長時間的條件修法次數的政策必須要與"},{"start":4194.915,"end":4218.021,"text":"的重要性並且要合理化因為你一次又一次一次又一次幾乎都是用那種就是為了這個當沖降稅然後一直展延所以說這個部分我認為財政部跟金管會應該好好審慎的去做處理是的我們兩個部會其實都有做審密的一個討論是的好謝謝謝謝委員"},{"start":4221.707,"end":4222.487,"text":"主席麻煩請財政部莊部長請部長"},{"start":4248.13,"end":4258.355,"text":"市長早今天媒體有報導說今年度到9月底為止的稅收狀況是不是你稍微做說明一下"},{"start":4259.171,"end":4270.762,"text":"是跟報告就是說今年到9月底的稅收做全國的稅收是達到兩兆9453億那達成全年的預算數到91%那在中央的部分的我們稅收是有兩兆1415億那也達成我們的預算數的92.5%那我們在評估這樣的一個"},{"start":4285.076,"end":4307.718,"text":"一般來說,增加的稅收主要是中所稅。中所稅基本上已經達成了我們的預算數。另外就是還有證交稅,它也達成了我們的預算數。這個部分是稅收的情況。另外在營業稅的部分事實上收取的也不錯,也比去年度同年的中央部分是增加243億。"},{"start":4309.159,"end":4324.186,"text":"可以看出來國內的需求的一個穩定的成長以及進口原物料的一個增加所以讓我們的營業稅也成長從9月是這樣子那你預估今年的稅率增收的最後能夠達到怎麼樣的規模"},{"start":4326.832,"end":4355.935,"text":"是,委員報告到9月底數據是這樣子那到今年我們之前就講我可以達成預算數沒有問題但是會超出預算數的金額我們大概目前可以講說超出預算數應該會達到一千億至於詳細的數據因為9月的部分因為有營所稅的佔小稅款到10月會入帳所以會更明確那目前來說是中央中央的部分一千億是比較保守的估計我們先做保守的估計"},{"start":4356.857,"end":4380.363,"text":"對阿,所以我去年跟你說的你們的那個稅入的那個估算喔還是真的還是比較保守,對不對?跟實際上比起來?跟委員報告,在稅入的估算的部分其實我們已經一直在改進,包含我們成立了估測的專案小組那對於各個稅務影響的稅收的一個因子我們都做過討論但是今年有一個情況就是我們的證交稅"},{"start":4381.463,"end":4388.306,"text":"正交稅的部分我們原來在預算數編列的時候今年的日均量是3500億但是到目前為止大概都有5000億一個日均量有達到5000億所以這個部分正交稅事實上是最難估測的一個數據所以正交稅到目前為止我們已經收到2207億那麼預算數是2087億所以已經超過預算數"},{"start":4404.787,"end":4433.217,"text":"好啦 我是做整體跟你講啦每次跟你們講你們估算的時候都有一堆理由把它估得比較保守那這個也難 我也沒有為難 責難你們的意思因為這樣公務員達到預期的這個目標董事都能夠超過百分之百嘛但是我是覺得那個差距最好不要能夠小比較好再來就是去年通過了今年度的舉借本來是要舉借多少"},{"start":4435.553,"end":4456.76,"text":"一千多億一千多少一千我看一下原來舉要編列的一千七百多億全部都沒有舉借嗎本來一千五百七十一億到目前為止並沒有舉借而且如果你預算今年度是超過預算數的話大概也不會舉借"},{"start":4458.971,"end":4471.701,"text":"對,對,然後我們債也先還了,都還了,所以是實質還貸所以你的那個報告的第三頁,小跨屋的二齁,這個我已經跟你講過非常多次了我跟財政部提醒過非常多次,你們那個總體的那個"},{"start":4474.161,"end":4497.051,"text":"公共債務未償餘額你老是要用預算數幾年相加然後等到決算算完之後但是決算會落後兩年嘛那兩年把這個預算數的估計數都加進來所以你看現在你的預估數如果照你的報告預估數是6兆8千多億"},{"start":4498.393,"end":4525.965,"text":"但是實據數才5兆8千多億差了將近一兆你知道嗎是的那這個因為預算的編列有預算編列的規則我知道那我的意思說你在寫報告的時候事實上沒有舉借而今年也不用舉借所以是已經還款的部分難道不能夠扣掉嗎你就要照那個預算說我前兩三年的舉借事實上都沒舉借啊結果還一直把它累積"},{"start":4527.558,"end":4544.956,"text":"所以你我跟你說現在如果媒體或是國人拿你這個報告說一估114年底中央政府的預算中央政府的舉借會長債務與委員會6兆8千多億所以我們國人每一個人事實上負債多少多少"},{"start":4546.141,"end":4568.672,"text":"人家也沒有錯啊是照你的報告來的啊但是那跟事實的差距會有很大的差距啊委員說得很是沒有錯那所以我們在報告第三頁裡面同時也提到就是說到9月底的實際稅稅照不是啦那人家也沒有義務人家沒有義務要把這講整篇吧所以我是說你們的寫法我已經提了很多年了"},{"start":4569.412,"end":4591.565,"text":"能不能寫得讓大家更能夠了解真正債務的狀況而不是用這樣子的方式我知道你這個金額是以前的未償預額加上這三年的舉借數問題是這三年都沒有舉借是預算編列事實上一毛都沒舉借結果你就把它加進來變成我們的預估數你這個估法太粗糙了"},{"start":4592.967,"end":4607.585,"text":"預算因為編列有一些相關的規則那我想我們未來在報告裡面能夠想得更清楚一點避免外界在引用上錯誤的引用莫名其妙說臺灣的這個中央債務會場域突然之間多了一兆出來"},{"start":4609.073,"end":4609.633,"text":"這是財政部的報告啊"},{"start":4623.796,"end":4624.917,"text":"現在中國政府用財政手段在刺激他們的股市"},{"start":4649.881,"end":4665.286,"text":"所以現在有一個說法叫做無毛硬抄大水漫灌所以中國的股市的控制幾乎就是在中國政府的手裡當然用這個金融財政的手段要去解決實體的經濟問題時間一久也是撐不住的啦"},{"start":4670.283,"end":4674.106,"text":"所以我要問我們公股銀行在中國的曝險這些年的狀況怎麼樣?"},{"start":4701.724,"end":4717.332,"text":"包括連帶案有沒有重大預期授信案跟連帶案都沒有由於在這個這幾年來在中國大陸這個部分而我們的公股行庫在承作上其實已經一直在緊縮所以並沒有目前為止並沒有一個重大的一個預期違約案"},{"start":4722.135,"end":4735.146,"text":"香港與中國過去是不同的看法但是香港越來越成為中國內陸的一個城市我們對香港不同的做法各家公股銀行在香港都有一些分支機構"},{"start":4736.167,"end":4742.568,"text":"未來你要怎麼處理?這個部分我們也請我們公股行庫對香港地區也要調降這個他們的風險額度並且要監控這個曝險的部位這個部分都有請相關的公股行庫但是就以到目前為止我們台灣跟香港加上中國的這些金融往來還是相當的密切馬上要脫鉤是很難的所以你要逐步來可是"},{"start":4762.972,"end":4782.193,"text":"香港的地位在美國的國會在眾議院已經通過他要檢討他的那個香港的特殊地位所以他將來可能會把香港認為是一個中國的內陸城市甚至最嚴重的是要最後一步港幣不能夠直接兌換美元"},{"start":4783.534,"end":4804.551,"text":"這個法案現在已經眾議院通過了當然是沒有包括我剛剛講的港幣的部分在檢討它的地位將來參議院也在處理所以香港如果狀況最糟糕繼續因為人權的惡化因為繼續中國的這個高壓統治的這個痛感有可能它的特殊地位會被拿掉"},{"start":4805.932,"end":4827.198,"text":"如果美國把證券的特殊地位拿掉的時候我們台灣的這些公股、航庫要如何運營?是,謝謝委員這樣的一個提醒我想這個部分我們必要的時候可以全面暫停乘坐這樣的一個相關的業務我想這個部分我們會密切關注這樣的一個法案我的意思不是這樣啦因為事實上你要馬上全面的停止這個"},{"start":4829.7,"end":4849.01,"text":"應作是不可能的,而是你要有一個備案、覆案如果發生這樣的狀況的時候要怎麼處理那今天我想不會有答案我覺得你應該要跟公股、行庫之間好好的溝通說有沒有預測到將來有可能有這樣的風險那假如發生這樣的風險的時候準備要怎麼樣的因應"},{"start":4850.151,"end":4869.471,"text":"好,是,謝謝委員的指教要有以待之好不好,加油,努力,謝謝謝謝委員的指教,謝謝好,謝謝本席在這裡報告一下列席的官員在備刑的期間你們如果因為公務上的一個需要需要接受媒體的一個採訪"},{"start":4870.632,"end":4883.462,"text":"那盡量利用會前還是會後還是中間我們休息的時間因為今天我們列席的官員有很多是新生在這裡那個特別做以上的一個報告那接著請賴思寶委員備詢質詢"},{"start":4899.948,"end":4925.615,"text":"謝謝主席先請財政部的莊部長好請部長委員好部長好有關於這個財法法昨天佐隆泰院長在立法院院會大言不慚的說目前的制度就是最好的制度"},{"start":4926.96,"end":4955.625,"text":"他要回去看一看民進黨在野的時候多多有幾次的說修財報法現在他說最好當然最好啊錢在他手上錢在他手上我們要的其實不多我們要的只有說你能不能撥三千億你說你按照你財政部長一直在講說這個個性是很多很多"},{"start":4957.041,"end":4976.76,"text":"問題是不一樣在哪裡有沒有修法在哪裡就是假如按照我們的版本3000億下放給地方這個不要法律上他就有多3000億地方加起來多3000億自己去用不要看你的臉色"},{"start":4977.953,"end":4999.659,"text":"你現在裝在手上玩家看你的臉色不管你增加多少都是看你的臉色這到底的一個霸權的卓榮泰霸權的一個思路我就問你一件事情因為這個事情在這裡我已經罵很久了不願意再浪費太多時間我就問你你今天違反立法院的決議這是很嚴重的喔"},{"start":5000.683,"end":5019.464,"text":"我們去年底的我們三個會期結束之前通過一個決議這個會期開議之前你要把版本送進來到現在為止都沒有我就問你一個問題你先不要跟我講細節我不要聽細節我就問你不送的理由是不是卓榮泰叫你不要送"},{"start":5020.284,"end":5044.259,"text":"跟委員報告六月十九號財委會的一個決議我們非常的重視也很尊重那財政部在八月跟九月都召開兩次會議邀請地方政府來討論那在八月那次會議我們把相關的八十幾個指標已經跟他們調整到五十幾個決議那第二個部分我們也把縮小了這期間然後把供應縮小期間"},{"start":5046.158,"end":5063.423,"text":"你回答我你既然做不到你要不要來跟每一個委員報告一下為什麼做不到你連這個基本的尊重都沒有我們決議的通過那時候你也點頭你同意了我覺得委員可以回覆看一下那個當時的錄影我們有詳細我跟主計長都在場我們有詳細的說明要在這個會期開議前提倡辦法的版本我們有詳細說明我們書面報告也送了"},{"start":5073.386,"end":5098.163,"text":"財委會也都有送給各位委員你有沒有在派會每一個委員跟他說我跟我們的書面報告已經送了那如果各位委員認為我們需要逐一去報告我們也可以逐一去報告我們在報告裡面非常做了非常詳細的一個分析你做不到不要親力承諾就好了我想可以看一下我在那個會上沒有承諾我在這個地方也諮詢過你去年這個時候說APEC"},{"start":5101.83,"end":5122.06,"text":"剛才委員提到了APEC有關於你去請問你今年會不會去APEC下個月會的會的嘛請問你會不會見到美國的財長這個部分我們其實還在聯繫當中那另外就是對於這個APEC我們在去年也跟美國的財政部長也有提到我去年諮詢我去年諮詢你的時候"},{"start":5125.885,"end":5128.526,"text":"你承諾公開講今年的六月美國會通過了會失效了結果沒有啊美國眾議院一月就通過那送進參院因為是包裹法案他們對於其他的一個條文有爭議那所以又面臨美國大選我想他們國內的政治情勢這不是我們可以去介入的"},{"start":5149.778,"end":5158.784,"text":"所以你做不到就不要隨便承諾這個也做不到那個也做不到你先不要走我們請一下101的董事長、賈董事長請賈遠傑董事長"},{"start":5182.941,"end":5198.173,"text":"主席好,大委員您好好,你好請問加董事長啊這個有關於101的國慶的煙火外面的批評聲浪很大我借這個機會讓你說明一下公開場合說明一下煙火煙火有時候放得太短啦不夠精彩啦什麼之類的等等你要不要講一下"},{"start":5206.112,"end":5225.944,"text":"好,賴委員我跟您報告一下就是基本上我聽到的喜歡我們國慶煙火的人非常多那可能您可能看到很多在網路上面有少部分的可能像是其實網路上面的發言呢不見得每一個人都願意對自己的發言負責"},{"start":5227.365,"end":5254.487,"text":"有很多人可能是水軍、網軍可能有別有意圖我想這個部分其實我也有在臉書上面做了說明我的意思是其實我們是做很正向的事情也希望大家能夠支持你給自己國慶的煙火打幾分我給自己國慶的煙火打幾分我給我的團隊吧應該不是我自己我的團隊我大概可以打到95分"},{"start":5257.625,"end":5286.62,"text":"好,95分了你自己的主觀我不comment了我在問你那你在今年的跨年準備怎麼放煙火今年的跨年的煙火呢我也可以跟大家預告一下今年跨年煙火會非常精彩對,我已經看過了這個模擬的圖示整個3D的影片都看到了那我自己個人認為是非常精彩有所突破,謝謝"},{"start":5287.879,"end":5289.58,"text":"例如 例如 for 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個交易稅減半的情況底下才能造勢的話那業者可以手續費免費啊"},{"start":6182.691,"end":6188.027,"text":"不是嗎?你就叫他手去免費也可以造勢啊為什麼一定要用透過稅金的減免啊?"},{"start":6188.837,"end":6217.523,"text":"副主委請說是,那後面先回答TISA這邊呢我們也非常的贊同我們也在力推那目前為止我們跟財政部溝通也非常的一個順暢我們會提出一個相對比較好的方案當沖降稅這個問題是這樣子那我提一個比喻啦就好像一個鹽我們那個拔辣撒點鹽會比較甜一些些所以是說我提另外一個比喻啦嘿是就是說他是特效要當成保健品在吃啦嘿"},{"start":6218.677,"end":6220.378,"text":"市長,您認為當初的部分呢?您同不同意入法?"},{"start":6237.179,"end":6257.487,"text":"同不同意我做的日條款我想證券市場的一個變動應該是順其萬變應該要看時間、看情形要中長期的思考吧那滾動的檢討、滾動的檢討條款所以說不應該入法嘛你暫情是或是嘛所以說我希望下一次是一個日落條款啦日出的部分應該是在用TESA才對啦好不好"},{"start":6258.167,"end":6263.114,"text":"財政部莊部長翠雲率所屬機關首長暨國營事業董事長翠雲率所屬機關首長財政部莊部長翠雲率所屬機關首長財政部莊部長翠雲率所屬機關首長"},{"start":6276.308,"end":6292.461,"text":"10月8日及10月9日根據大盤的五十指數的部分它基本上在10月8日的時候誤差值才0.01就到10月隔天而已它的整個偏離度變27.84你不覺得太誇張了嗎?"},{"start":6297.093,"end":6313.866,"text":"其實在這個地方的話其實從以前到現在第一次遇到那這也是我想這是完美的小風暴為什麼說小風暴好險它的總值淨值只有18億那單位是1.9億那原因主要就是說其實也是中國那邊大量的激勵股市"},{"start":6315.046,"end":6342.255,"text":"後來整個股票往上漲不過因為10月1號到10月7號之間10月7號之間因為他們這個十一長假所以沒有一個交易量那我們這邊持續的一個交易所以在這個地方就一直上漲投資人的一個追買所以造成了這種情形不過我們現在你確定如此這是初步調查的結果嗎沒有人為炒作的方式或不法的行為嗎所以在這部分的話"},{"start":6345.066,"end":6370.736,"text":"所以現在我們已經請永豐投信提出說明而且會有監視的一個機制他也承諾會再怎樣盡速的銷你這個溢價拉到百分之三以內而且我們已經專案查核專案查核什麼時候報告會提出來這伊提豐好不容易有一個比較讓國人有信心的投資工具你不能透過這個案件來打擊投資人的信心好不好來 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好久不見了我今天其實好多個問題我們就快速的答案給我我先問一個很多民眾陳情的問題因為我關注到今年度其實你們有對於出國帶回的物品的免稅額有做一些調整那包括入境免稅額從兩萬條到三萬五你們的理由是說你們參考了物價的指數包括國民所得跟國際的物價等等"},{"start":7130.13,"end":7152.046,"text":"這個政策看起來民眾其實也鼓掌較好因為其實免稅2萬塊一趟好不容易有機會出國買回來東西其實常常其實3萬塊3萬5好像好像好像很多人還跟我反映說3萬5其實也不是太足夠但是其實這是一個正確的方向我們就給你鼓勵但是"},{"start":7153.067,"end":7168.964,"text":"我要提到的就是有關進口郵包的部分因為從疫情過後大家的習慣性很多人沒時間出國或者是出國的花費更多他們寧願購物的方式是用郵購的方式這在疫情之後大家培養的習慣那我們現在進口的郵包現在還是規範在新台幣2000塊"},{"start":7175.771,"end":7204.029,"text":"那我稍微參考了一下國外的數字我們看一下後面兩張我們韓國進口的郵包他們免稅額是在4800塊台幣左右新加坡是9800香港進口是全部都免稅然後美國是定在25000台幣左右這個金額更高所以部長我們既然出國帶回來免稅品有調整其實我更認為"},{"start":7205.51,"end":7224.275,"text":"其實2000塊郵包齁有時候我常在網路上購買一些韓國的美妝啦化妝品啦其實2000塊常常一下子就超過了所以我認為這個政策其實應該有檢討的必要性部長你認為呢或署長可不可以直接回應我"},{"start":7225.595,"end":7251.406,"text":"跟委員報告我們原來是3000塊在107年的時候有調為2000塊那當然第一個考慮到其實現在什麼都漲了嘛全世界物價什麼都漲了嘛我們同時有考慮到國內電商平台業者還有進口業者還有相關製造業的一個租稅公平這個部分我們必須是要去考慮的然後同時也要避免這個濫用這個低價免稅制度的有討論當然但是我提到的就是說既然"},{"start":7253.767,"end":7259.312,"text":"從國外貸還免稅品我們有提高我們過去也是3000塊後來我們調漲為2000但是現在考慮到同樣物價的指數國民所得國際的物價在這三個前提之下我們這個郵購的這個相關的一些物件免稅的額度其實也應該可以同時一併再做進一步的檢討"},{"start":7277.549,"end":7294.38,"text":"也跟委員報告,謝謝委員這邊收集的相當完整的資料但我們所知,其實各國目前也有一些在檢討是不是要取消這樣的一個進口免稅額度這個部分我們覺得這個部分事實上要跟國際的趨勢必須要能夠接軌一次"},{"start":7295.18,"end":7316.733,"text":"我同意接軌,那你現階段人家的金額我們都沒跟人家接軌所以部長我覺得這個可以儘快因為這個是民眾有感啊你們的政府都在講說民眾有感民眾有感我就提到說我接到了很多陳情在網路上大家的意見是這樣所以我希望部長可不可以在兩個月之內不管結果如何"},{"start":7317.754,"end":7320.276,"text":"二個月之內提出一個報告結果給我,好不好?"},{"start":7320.276,"end":7338.769,"text":"好的,謝謝委員。好,我了解。好,這是第一個問題。好,第二個問題是金融營業稅的部分方向。之前金管會的主委跟我回應說我們希望打亞洲盃、打世界盃,包括我們雖然沒有機會"},{"start":7340.291,"end":7349.61,"text":"在上一波成為亞洲的金融中心但是我們希望還是有機會在這個階段成為亞洲的資產管理中心可以兌現"},{"start":7352.214,"end":7373.274,"text":"賴總統的政策到底我們營業稅的方向上個會期回應我說調整成2%或3%今年年底要做確定年底時間也到了總是該有一個結果跟方向而且這個部分還涉及到後面的修法對不對這個會期時間也不多所以部長到底方向是什麼到底是降為2%還是3%"},{"start":7375.194,"end":7399.42,"text":"跟委員報告金融營業稅有關銀行跟保險本業的營業稅目前是5%好那因為這裡面有一個就是金融營業稅撥入金融業特別準備金到今年年底部長這個我都知道大家都知道你只要回答我到底是2%3%時間點目前沒有調整的規劃完全沒有調整的規劃目前沒有調整的規劃所以年底也不要修法目前沒有因為不需要修法"},{"start":7401.201,"end":7410.749,"text":"所以還是維持5%維持5%那所有的稅款就改進入國庫那進入國庫以後當然我們會做國家監視這個是確定的方向是的"},{"start":7413.179,"end":7432.611,"text":"我尊重但是我必須這是跨部會討論的結果我們有跟金管會做密切的溝通以及了解以及我們也做討論總統也知道這件事情嗎這個部分在我們編列預算的時候當然都會去討論明年可能的一些稅務的金額部長我提醒你們啦"},{"start":7436.234,"end":7457.887,"text":"這件事牽涉到賴清德當時選舉的政策跟政見這也是當時他找彭金榮來的另外一個非常主要的原因他希望成為亞洲的資產管理中心世界上目前包括新加坡也好很多對於金融業稅他甚至是很低甚至是零所以"},{"start":7458.627,"end":7480.138,"text":"我尊重你們最後的決定,等會兒完全執政就要負責任但是這個會讓我們未來產業的發展、金融業的發展會不會更沒有彈性如果這是你正確的決定我尊重但是我覺得這個未來要變成打亞洲盃打世界盃的亞洲資產管理中心我認為挑戰是非常高的"},{"start":7480.418,"end":7508.038,"text":"也跟委員報告當然這個部分我們也經過詳細的討論跟金管會第一個就是說我們目前銀行業保險整體稅負和國際比較起來並沒有比較好部長部長我尊重你們我就不再這個問題因為我後面我想問新清安的問題我只是要提醒你們你們後面打亞洲杯打世界杯亞洲資產管理中心你們的彈性可能就會越來越少接下來我還是要問新清安政策我也請金管會的副主委陳燕良副主委今天有來對不對"},{"start":7510.199,"end":7536.832,"text":"部長那個我想這個會議齁你剛回應前一個委員賴昭偉你回應說不是打房是打草房打草房這件事情就是說房價上漲得太厲害我覺得合理的意志我尊重但是這第七波歷年來有史以來最高的打草房的政策是誰引起的是新清安政策引起的"},{"start":7538.686,"end":7554.585,"text":"當時沒有思考清楚我們長久以來對於不合理的房價提升長期來我們都有一定的政策在管制長期來都有但是這一波是新清安政策當時沒有思考清楚所衍生的後果"},{"start":7555.066,"end":7582.003,"text":"好,那後果已經產生不管各個工會產業界都有不同版本建議進來我希望你們兩位都有看到兩個部會都有看到甚至央行都有看到但是我要提醒你們就是說現在很多民間當時在做一些商品的就是說貸款的同時包括公股銀行也是有一些甚至會要求說要加買一些保險所以這個部分"},{"start":7582.663,"end":7595.348,"text":"我看到產業界有陳情就是說這個部分讓承貸戶的負擔更加嚴重那這一點到底公股銀行有沒有這樣的問題未來我們會不會做管理"},{"start":7597.131,"end":7609.899,"text":"與委員報告沒有這樣的一個問題有關房貸加稅你沒有聽說嗎就是房貸的同時要加買其他保險的商品衍生商品房貸的時候要買其他相關商品推薦明示暗示的方式購買無關的金融產品不能作為"},{"start":7619.085,"end":7641.898,"text":"是否核准貸款的一個條件?我當然知道但是你這個是官方的回答部長不要坐在辦公室裡面我提醒的是我聽到我也知道有這樣子的聲音有這樣問題在所以我提醒你我今天我是善意的提醒你不要把我的諮詢都當作我在我善意的提醒你有這麼一件事情所以"},{"start":7642.858,"end":7655.883,"text":"做房貸同時無關緊要的金融商品要順便要買明示或暗示的方式貸款會更順利這個都加重他們的負擔一隻牛被八九存平所以部長好好改進然後另外到底我們25年前我們講說那個不動產的放貸不得超過30%的上限"},{"start":7669.865,"end":7688.181,"text":"這是30年前的你說銀行法的規定嗎?銀行法,對我們現在銀行投資的管道很多元投資買什麼東西很多元到底30%的上限有沒有檢討的必要性這是金管會的業務25年前"},{"start":7692.436,"end":7700.226,"text":"到底那個比例怎麼樣分配是一個比較合理的方法跟方式其實銀行的投資面臨現在國際的挑戰"},{"start":7702.979,"end":7730.651,"text":"國際金融的挑戰處處都有風險什麼是一個最合理的比例30%放在房貸的上限是25年前有沒有重新討論的必要性或者重新把所有的比例重新拿回來討論我覺得這是一個很重要的課題跟議題這次打房昨天是講到說因為打得快到28了放貸到28了我們不希望到28我們後面再來打可能會越打越重今晚會主委昨天是這麼講的所以我提醒你們"},{"start":7731.511,"end":7734.716,"text":"就是說我覺得可以重新再檢討因為這畢竟是25年前的規範跟規定嘛"},{"start":7741.363,"end":7768.937,"text":"副主委是謝謝委員那因為這是一個風險集中度的問題那我想我們回去都有風險什麼樣都有風險只是我覺得這是25年前的38放貸放在房貸放在比是不是一個合理有沒有重新把所有的比例再拿出來檢討還不只是房貸包括其他的投資都是我覺得可以重新再討論是這我也請銀行局把這個課題帶回去研究一個月之內給我答案是好謝謝委員"},{"start":7769.957,"end":7774.46,"text":"主席在這裡報告我們接著是李昆城委員的一個質詢李昆城委員質詢完以後我們休息五分鐘好 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員這方面的提示當然投資28%目前為止大家國人都可以接受但是我要講的是幫勞工階層幫所有的"},{"start":10053.411,"end":10054.552,"text":"財政部跟你們是立場不同嗎?"},{"start":10080.642,"end":10099.948,"text":"你們兩邊常常在吵架,對不對?沒有,沒有吵架,我們溝通得很好。我們也會有一個版本啦,我們版本是希望說參考一些學者的意見,我們希望重點是要讓他逐步的符合社會的需求,可能有一個彈性的調整,而不是像現在幾乎是常態化的狀況。是。"},{"start":10101.708,"end":10127.091,"text":"也許大家可以討論但是我還是贊成的是中華民國政府到底要不要鼓勵長期投資今天很多委員都問了要不要鼓勵長期投資我們有沒有任何的政策引導或工具來鼓勵長期投資目前好像沒有對吧長期投資有任何的優惠或者減稅或者是給他什麼樣的機制嗎副主委"},{"start":10127.85,"end":10153.082,"text":"是目前為止的話其實對於個人的部分的話個人部分其實我們還在還在你們還在努力嘛提撒這個第一部分提撒要不要做嘛現在財政部就是覺得不知道怎麼怎麼核稅嘛所以他們很難做那你儘管會要幫忙啊不會用稅制的這種的讓這個市場上做出一個台灣特色的提撒對好那時間暫停我請一下臺北金融大樓的好時間暫停董事長"},{"start":10158.186,"end":10159.106,"text":"負主委請留步負主委"},{"start":10177.813,"end":10202.525,"text":"我想董事長今天到立法院來非常備受矚目我想今天主要要問的是我們證交所即將在2030年會搬家也就是臺北金融大樓裡面最重要的一個國家級的指標有關金融業的指標可能會撤離臺北金融大樓那我來自臺北市臺北101是臺北市的地上權所以它對臺北很重要我想問一下"},{"start":10205.426,"end":10212.577,"text":"101對於將來證交所幫F4搬走搬到北門去101有什麼意義我們要怎麼樣維持臺北金融大樓的國際地位"},{"start":10214.342,"end":10241.904,"text":"我想如果證交所他真的需要搬走的話呢其實沒有問題耶因為我想台北金融大樓呢我們一直以來在不管是我們拿到的綠建築我們是全世界最高的綠建築我們有這樣子的一個辦公條件跟環境呢其實有非常多優質的企業他們是會想要來進駐的董事長我想還是要強調一個"},{"start":10242.885,"end":10264.182,"text":"它叫台北金融大樓所以要把金融業最頂尖的最相關的國際級的指標最具競爭力的要維持台北101的標示所以副主委你的任務是你當時在當學者的時候主張F4要展併F4現在要搬到同一個地方去了那台北金融大樓你有什麼未來的規劃"},{"start":10267.102,"end":10284.653,"text":"其實我們對於這個證明主要是因為其實我們在櫃買中心或者是旗家族這邊會被趕來趕去所以需要一個自己的家所以目前規劃是在華山把F4把它整個搬過去所以從來沒有考慮過F4搬到伊犁里亞"},{"start":10287.114,"end":10306.3,"text":"北門那邊說全部搬到101你要不要跟101商量一下如果假設國家級的指標都搬到公部門我也沒有意見但是台北101的確是台灣最重要的金融指標所以這個部分其實你們可以慎重再重新考慮一下可以嗎?"},{"start":10307.213,"end":10331.731,"text":"副主委,我想你的構想很好因為非常的亂我也贊成所有的金融單位應該要整合在一起但它要有一個就像紐約一樣你看到的紐約證交所你就知道那裡是最重要的一個核心同樣的證交所搬走以後台北印尼的地位可能會受影響這也是我擔心的地方好不好兩位可以去好好協商一下我們的副主委非常有創意謝謝"},{"start":10334.913,"end":10337.134,"text":"主席、各位立席官員大家好主席有請財政部莊部長是部長"},{"start":10364.152,"end":10382.968,"text":"部長好部長新的會期除了審查預算在這邊本席要先向你探討目前最引起民眾關注的議題還是新清安新清安是為了幫助年輕人圓夢所以祭出了許多的優惠政策"},{"start":10384.269,"end":10411.369,"text":"雖然利益良善但是漏洞百出賴總統強調要爭取青年的支持本席沒有什麼意見因為青年買不起房政府就透過最直接最容易讓選民理解的方式介入也就是用補貼以及放寬信貸範圍的方法來協助青年可以用較寬鬆的房貸政策買房"},{"start":10413.49,"end":10437.931,"text":"簡單直白的介入直接帶動了房價的上漲也衍生出許多的投機行為這部分雖然財政部有做了相關的懲罰措施去預防不肖的投機行為但是我要強調的是信心案帶動房價的上漲以及銀行資金大規模的流入房屋市場那其實這些都讓央行跟金管會很頭痛"},{"start":10438.922,"end":10441.123,"text":"五年之後,本金加上利息的償還壓力會有多少人無法負擔?"},{"start":10461.119,"end":10484.5,"text":"跟委員報告新清安他的政策目的很清楚就協助沒有房屋的人買第一間自住房屋在他收入不是很高的時候政府給予協助然後寬限期給予五年但是這個是一個剛性的需求但是房地產價格上漲絕不會只有這一個因素那新清安我覺得不應該的是運用新清安之名進行投資"},{"start":10484.98,"end":10510.4,"text":"只投機甚至烘台房價這是最不應該的但是不能把新清安給予污名化認為說這個政策不對當然新清安這個部分我們也請航空們第一個就是說在貸錢審核的時候要落實相關的規範同時對於來申請貸款的人要讓他知道也就是說你貸這樣的一個金額那你以後的還款的一個每一期的一個情況是怎麼樣"},{"start":10511.361,"end":10532.31,"text":"另外對於寬限期五年大家都說青年朋友運用五年的寬限期五年後就把它賣掉其實我們統計出來用寬限期五年的只有百分之二十五就四分之一的人甚至有百分之五十一的貸款新金安的人他是沒有使用寬限期因為他也希望他盡快能夠償還本金跟利息"},{"start":10535.271,"end":10557.5,"text":"三年是14%所以這個部分我覺得我們的青年朋友基本上是勤奮而且會珍惜他的第一間房子台灣因為很多人說台灣房價20年來都沒有跌過所以想買就買不用擔心賠錢那所以五年之後有這些想法的人會將用新千安去貸款的房子"},{"start":10558.5,"end":10584.123,"text":"販賣出來所以也許就是說未來有這樣的想法的人把做這樣的行為的到時候房市供過於求那量會很大那房價就會大跌所以不管是哪一種結果都不是我們在制定政策的初衷不是我們的目標那當然我們希望我相信他們也會珍惜這一間房子因為青青安現代政策目標是好的但是在當初在規劃的時候"},{"start":10585.965,"end":10604.802,"text":"當初就沒有說去做過這樣子的可行性的研究跟分析有沒有想過剛剛我說的那一些話財政部在制定這個過程當中那如果說當初也有這些會有這些顧慮那是算不算一種自欺的行為就是說決策錯誤但是還是要做"},{"start":10605.592,"end":10621.884,"text":"委員報告其實我們公股航庫在放貸新清安的時候他們也是非常謹慎的也就是說申請的人他必須要把他的一個收入的情況要讓銀行知道他也會去做評估那我們其實看一下齁這裡面他們買的房子齁在"},{"start":10623.746,"end":10644.24,"text":"購物的總金額在800萬以下的是28%1000萬以下的是45%那1500萬以下是佔了78%所以青年朋友們他在買房子的時候他還是依然依照他的財務的可能性去辦理這個新金安那我相信他們對於買了這個房子也會珍惜我相信在座的許多"},{"start":10645.56,"end":10672.09,"text":"在座的許多人不管是公務或非公務部門都有這樣的一個經驗去買第一間房子然後一直在付貸款我想這個都是可以相信的我們要打草房嘛對不對所以就是不是說單純的數據分析然後這個數據就美化數據然後就忘掉這些隱憂我們是要把這個政策在製作的過程當中有一些不足的有一些錯誤的我們要把它找出來"},{"start":10672.19,"end":10695.519,"text":"是,我想委員也是出於這個提醒我們的過半,謝謝委員。是的,謝謝委員。好,那接下來我再請教就是說我有關注財政部的YouTube那看到財政部在對於政策的宣導拍了很多的短片那包括發票這個還有安養信託但是新簽案影片卻不見了齁"},{"start":10696.799,"end":10719.581,"text":"根據銀行法第72條之二的規定商業銀行在辦理住宅建築還有企業建築的一個放款總額不得超過這個30%滿水位是30%那現在超過警戒值的我剛剛有聽其他委員的詢問我們也有5家航空有超過那所以這種"},{"start":10723.692,"end":10745.56,"text":"為什麼要設這個規定?就是說要防止金融機構因為過度放貸而引發系統性的風險那我要請教說下架影片是不是已經意識到政策火燒央行那房貸的水位已經拉警報所以要趕快下架是不是間接證明說財政部已經不再鼓勵不希望年輕人繼續使用簽案"},{"start":10747.227,"end":10767.474,"text":"新青安的政策目前還是在執行當中那這影片的部分是銀行他們自主營運的事項而且新青安現在一開始推出的時候當然有些宣導那事實上大家都熟能詳了那我想這個部分銀行基於自主去調換他的影片播放的內容我想這個部分是自主經營的一個事項"},{"start":10769.356,"end":10797.171,"text":"部長 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謝主席 邀請金管會副主委金管會副主委委員好 今天審證券交易稅條例第二條及第十二條 我也有提案 我提案怎麼沒寫在你的意見"},{"start":12670.902,"end":12695.749,"text":"我有提案啦我的提案你的意義是怎麼樣遵照十二條那邊我們遵照那只是一個通知啊那個地方沒有我的名字沒有我的名字你到底有我的提案你知道嗎我知道我知道沒有我的名字勒還有做事情也比較認真勒十二條的那個他通知啊或這些你知道我的提案的內容嗎還有另外一條還有另外一條這個"},{"start":12700.044,"end":12725.069,"text":"儘管會做事要精確啊連這個審議的法案每一個人的委員的提案你都有表示意見啊我的提案你就沒有任何意見沒有任何意見有可能是反對捏好啦我們再找一下啦再找一次時間那個請回去再改善改進一下連這個精確性都沒有辦法做到來請那個財政部莊部長"},{"start":12729.485,"end":12740.815,"text":"時間暫停一下時間暫停一下喔部長這個國庫的業務裡面啊這個112年你們稅率稅數剩餘是2796億啊預估113年度呢3年是不是預估啦"},{"start":12756.242,"end":12782.444,"text":"一百一十三年第一個我們的稅收的部分是一定可以達成我也不會去借錢稅數的剩餘是多少那還沒有結束啊大概啦大概喔大概要看稅路要怎麼支出啊我想這個部分這個數字還沒有辦法跟委員報告好啦就是說因為支出的部分在總統這邊你從2016連續七年都是剩餘嘛對不對是的 是的那代表說政府會賺錢還是會省錢"},{"start":12786.868,"end":12811.258,"text":"第一個我們的稅客我們的稅入好然後支出的部分大家也都尊潔支出那這樣的話就會有剩餘是那我就要問你另外一個問題產商條例是經部要修法11條產商條例的內容是什麼它針對一些這個產業包括這些人工智慧啦或者是檢驗檢探相關的產業"},{"start":12813.779,"end":12839.424,"text":"做一些調整那這部分財政部的立場財政部的部分跟經濟部都已經在這個之前都有過非常密切的調整是支持而且目前來說經濟部也已經預告了是支持的現在我們都討論過的另外他有提到說這個提供中小企業第一例優惠的融資貸款畫面"},{"start":12844.297,"end":12868.789,"text":"提供中小企業低利優惠融資貸款我看你們報告裡面你們對中小微企業的復甦扔緩資金需求很多那你們這個部分又增加到九千億這部分有沒有提供給這些微中小型企業更優惠的利率"},{"start":12870.379,"end":12887.709,"text":"報告對我們是有一個方案就是中小企業那個那個榮正新的一個優惠方案那由我們的公股行戶來做承作那在利率的部分他們也會給你協助對利率比一般的貸款更為優惠嗎應該是我想他們都在對"},{"start":12888.749,"end":12892.15,"text":"現在產業的這個調整在中國的企業慢慢這個到東南亞到其他地方去那這個國有銀行現在在這個中國的分行件數大概有幾件25件"},{"start":12919.882,"end":12921.043,"text":"最多分行是哪一家銀行?"},{"start":12932.472,"end":12948.521,"text":"我問這個問題是說希望你們調整一下這個分行是不是有設立的必要性跟普選程度的這個影響評估這個部分當然是要考慮而且在屬境外設分行也要經過金管會的同意啊該撤的時候就在撤是"},{"start":12949.502,"end":12978.053,"text":"所以不能像過去一樣這個渔沃峰在這個西晉的時候這個設立分行那你現在這個政策轉移的時候中國變成高度這個震驚風險的國家這個時候我們的國有銀行是設立分行它的必要性跟這個未來怎麼去處理啊當然這個部分一定要審慎的部分做風險的控管謝謝委員的提醒國有地它禁止出售對不對大面積國有地禁止出售大面積的不再出售"},{"start":12978.973,"end":13004.898,"text":"市有地不算是國有地,對不對?市有地它是可以公開去標授,對不對?市有地他們有他們的自治條例去處理,然後還有土地法國有地廣義來說市有地也算是國有地嘛那你可以設定一些標準,你現在有收受這個土地供應的這個因素啊"},{"start":13005.638,"end":13006.459,"text":"財政部有相關的作法"},{"start":13035.4,"end":13060.112,"text":"根委員報告你指的用設定地上的權還是用什麼方式或是在一段時間禁止出售事由土地的處理第一個是屬於自治事項第二個土地政策的主管機關在內政部財政部沒有這個權責去約束縣市政府處理它的縣市有的財產這個部分根委員就說明是是內政部主管是那最後一個問題金融兵推"},{"start":13061.552,"end":13074.083,"text":"金融兵推是您主持的嗎?不是不是不是不是金融兵推不是我們主持的金融兵推是年度的這個例行性的計畫還是因應特殊事件而不定期的計畫?跟委員報告"},{"start":13077.085,"end":13099.415,"text":"因為有一個全民防衛動員準備法的規定那裡面我們有一些定期要做的一些事項那財政部的部分是財力的部分那這個部分都是一個例行性的部分那有關金融兵推的部分我們是配合國防部的一個整體規劃來做它包含有關的一些事包含外匯金融處置這個是涉及到央行跟金管會等等"},{"start":13100.555,"end":13122.716,"text":"是年度性的計畫還是因應特定事件?年度性的會做一次吧如果特殊事件發生或因應特殊事件可能會未來預期可能一些特殊事件發生你們有沒有相關的專案兵推?這個部分是由國防部來規劃的是國防部來規劃?對對對對謝謝謝謝委員是謝謝"},{"start":13127.025,"end":13151.954,"text":"好,謝謝邱志偉委員那接著我們請陳佩儀委員花言謝謝主席那有請財政部經管會還有法務部,謝謝好,財政部經管會還有法務部代表委員好是,部長好,午安"},{"start":13154.166,"end":13178.6,"text":"我時間有限但是部長我想要快速跟您討論關於兒少在你們的相關的主管業務當中到底能夠為我們台灣的兒少做些什麼事情來下一頁這個是相關的詐騙的廣告然後其實我們刑事警察局已經開始有非常多的作為整個行政院也啟動非常多詐騙的業務我想部長您非常清楚那我們來往下一頁"},{"start":13179.5,"end":13197.595,"text":"那做了這麼多詐騙的事情我要談的是其實我們發現很多的個案或者是很多的陳情人我們發現是相關的金融素養的不足我們來看下一頁可是我知道其實大家都做了非常多的事情金管會今年在五月公佈這個普惠金融的衡量指標"},{"start":13198.215,"end":13214.746,"text":"我們台灣的表現數字其實非常好不管是ATM或者是我們擁有銀行帳戶或是使用電子化支付也就是說連我自己都覺得我身邊好像每一個人都在這個完整的金融體系底下有被照顧到可是如果離開都市地區我們來看一下"},{"start":13215.626,"end":13232.928,"text":"那我知道你們其實有相關你們去做相關的研究你們到國際上去參加相關的會議下一頁那在會議當中其實你們自己也提出或是在國際的很多研討會上提出我們有這麼完整的金融體系跟金融服務但也可能相對的風險就高以上這個論述部長您認同嗎?"},{"start":13238.18,"end":13265.3,"text":"但是當風險高的時候我們要回過來看人民的素養跟知識起點在哪裡我們做所有的詐騙要從源頭開始嘛 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到各國有亞洲,這也是亞洲國家啊,美國也好,歐美啊,這個不管是車子,不管是進口車或是他們產製車,都非常的價錢比台灣便宜很多啊。"},{"start":13997.199,"end":14013.031,"text":"您們不覺得像以國內的這個以我們的國民來講房貸的壓力很大那買車子如果又造成一個很重大的壓力事實上也是增加人民的負擔啊我看了一下我們這個買車真的是萬萬歲啊應該要做一個本期做一個表你看進口車2000CC以下17.5%的關稅25%的貨物稅"},{"start":14017.034,"end":14027,"text":"五趴的營業稅加起來一台車兩千西西下要增五十四點二趴的稅兩千西西以上要增六十點四趴的稅好這是進口車國產車的部分呢兩千西西以下"},{"start":14028.137,"end":14052.293,"text":"一台車要課25%的貨物稅5%的營業稅等於是31.2%那國產車2000cc以上的30%的貨物稅5%的營業稅一台車要徵36.5%的稅等於是不管進口或國產車每一台車都至少要三成以上的稅負交給我們的國家我們國家需要這樣對付對我們的人民嗎當然署長你是關稅我先我請問那個部長這個買車萬萬稅這個部分"},{"start":14056.89,"end":14071.581,"text":"跟委員報告第一個關稅的部分關稅的部分我們是加入WTO的時候就有關稅減讓的承諾然後在10年內我們其實原來更高所以當時承諾就是17.5的關稅那是對外最低的承諾吧我不是很說最低嗎那貨物稅呢貨物稅的部分"},{"start":14075.443,"end":14081.385,"text":"為了讓我們的淨零減碳的一個政策目標所以我們對於電動車的電動車、貨物稅都是免徵那是鼓勵這個我支持這個部分我支持這個沒問題我沒有在問你電動車我支持這個部分"},{"start":14093.229,"end":14121.739,"text":"國安稅早年徵荒稅的目的是因為有點像是有點像奢侈稅嘛說這個比較特種的稅嘛說這個可能那時候早年這個那個開車可能是一個比較奢侈的事民國七十幾年金門開始有車我家金門開始有車是民國七十幾年啊金門還比較晚啊台灣當然比較早但是那時候車子比較少嘛現在車子是一個基本的交通工具啊尤其不要你不要說在台北市這種比較都會去像在比較不是都會去的地方沒有經營的地方很多家庭也都是需要車子嘛幾乎"},{"start":14122.915,"end":14151.924,"text":"我不敢說人人啦 但基本上每一家都是需要車子那給國人這麼高的這個關稅我先不跟你談關稅關稅涉及到國產跟進口這個我看那個車稅公會也有提到那貨物稅的部分呢 貨物稅不能減呢為什麼我們百姓要買車要買這麼貴比韓國、日本、新加坡還有那個美國啦 新加坡很貴一點韓國、日本 而新加坡收入高我們收入又沒有高人家很多我們要繳這麼 我們已經要百姓要承擔這麼重的這個房貸了還要承擔很重的車貸"},{"start":14153.184,"end":14177.221,"text":"這個不用改嗎?我想貨物稅的部分我們現在是引導消費者能夠往電動車的方式去採購。這個我也支持,電動車我也支持。那還沒有買電動車之前,現在如果還有其他車,我也支持電動車。這個是沒有違背的,沒有衝突的。那現在這個貨物稅的部分,讓老百姓可以買到便宜的車子不好嗎?"},{"start":14178.516,"end":14194.842,"text":"有什麼困難?對你們稅稅影響很大嗎?我剛剛看別的網友寫貨稅,整個貨稅稅也不是說那麼那麼多,對你們稅稅影響很大嗎?車的部分影響這麼大嗎?你不能全免,你至少降嘛,這個有困難嗎?"},{"start":14196.207,"end":14224.812,"text":"我想這個部分貨物稅整體應該要跟整個稅制來搞好你不要告訴我整體貨物稅我只告訴你車子的貨物稅我只請問你車子的貨物稅現在25嘛25的話可以降多少你們有沒有去研究過可以降多少25%你看2730%那國產車也要25跟30這個就算你不能全免也可以考慮降稅吧我想這個部分應該要整體來考量Jay哥你的考慮是什麼不能降的原因是什麼"},{"start":14225.851,"end":14242.37,"text":"不能這樣的原因你現在是覺得不能這樣嗎?我說可以考慮貨物稅的部分我們談過不是講全面跟整體的綠色能源綠色稅制會要做我一直跟你強調電動車那部分我完全支持你不用跟我談你告訴我說一般的車子"},{"start":14243.746,"end":14264.053,"text":"議員議員議員議員"},{"start":14264.173,"end":14265.474,"text":"提出書面報告是不是容許我們一個月內?一個月內是不是有點太久?"},{"start":14283.18,"end":14306.042,"text":"沒關係齁,兩個禮拜可以吧,算數而已嘛兩個禮拜算一下,兩個禮拜提出來汽機車稅制檢討及改革方案書面報告我知道在這個部分其實不分藍綠的委員都有提出這個有關車價實在太高的問題我這個想法其實是想法很簡單如果你提出來以後你們堅決不改我們也不需要你們同意才需要改我們一樣會提案我也會請民進黨的委員一起來提案我想民眾也會支持這個車稅這個貨物稅降的這個"},{"start":14308.404,"end":14318.951,"text":"所以你們要往可以更改的方向去思考如果你一樣鐵板一塊對不起我們一樣做我們應該做的事情好謝謝委員謝謝部長好謝謝謝謝陳一貞委員接著我們請楊瓊英委員發言謝謝主席楊瓊英發言邀請部長跟金管會好部長跟金管會稱呼主委"},{"start":14342.27,"end":14368.88,"text":"委員好謝謝部長我們看到國內的這個投資詐騙的案件這麼多而且那成長是驚人那根據警方的統計數字裡頭來顯示去年的詐欺犯呢那翻身數是以投資詐欺是最多那佔所有的詐騙的是31.13比上年度是增加了5000多件這個還是險性喔"},{"start":14371.661,"end":14400.079,"text":"引信的還不知道多少所以它的成長幾乎是翻倍那麼其中最嚴肅的就是65歲以上因為投資詐騙受害的更是最多而且一直在累進增加在這樣子的情況之下在我們財政部你認為你有什麼因應的這個方案來防止這個試詐讓大家可以試詐具備有試詐防詐的這個能力"},{"start":14401.158,"end":14416.727,"text":"部長跟委員報告當然第一個我們會在我們的行員的部分增加關懷也就是對於這個年長者有時候做高額的匯款的事要多問一些讓他們知道這是現在就已經在做所以我們也有相當的一個成效攔阻成功的也蠻高的蠻高但是我們的數字是往上升所以要不要再精準方案策略"},{"start":14429.774,"end":14456.052,"text":"另外對於那些客戶在開戶的時候也要確實執行KYC也就是說對客戶因為避免這些詐騙的人開帳戶、開人頭戶所以這個部分也要特別注意這個除了注意以外我們有什麼應對因為本期要跟你討論的是如果這個帳號它已經有嫌疑你們能不能連線法務部這些司法檢調單位"},{"start":14458.333,"end":14484.344,"text":"對,因為有很多很明顯一看就知道是詐騙的這個人頭戶對,所以我們也會參加財經公司所建置的約定帳號的一個揮名單的通報也就是說在這個部分銀行之間都會有相關的對於這種揮名單比較有可疑的帳戶都會提早做一個警示對,揮名單我們要怎麼去預防因為預防重於治療所以這個課題我再給部長你再去精準方案"},{"start":14485.104,"end":14506.801,"text":"對,這一定要一直精進的一直精進,你把書面資料給本席因為我們一直精進,但是數字是一直增加我們也不願意只有一句話道高一尺,魔高一丈這個也是漏氣至極所以我們是政府我們更應該要去精準這個方案你把精準方案給本席好嗎好的,我們再提一個報告給你你多久可以給本席"},{"start":14507.701,"end":14511.884,"text":"我們是不是一個月內給我一個月給本席我們要讓他們試詐防詐好不好這個太恐怖了那接下來本席要請教金管會那部長你請回來虛擬通貨的商業同業公會他們成立"},{"start":14523.67,"end":14550.59,"text":"在這樣的情況之下虛擬資產保管也事半業務所以本席要請教你們參考了國際的經驗你也要提升了整個風險管理跟資訊的安全的標準這是最基本的我們也為了要跟世界接軌我們也必須要這麼做但是本席要請教虛擬資產的保管的主題是業務你預計要什麼時候會上路"},{"start":14552.628,"end":14572.303,"text":"是,那在這個部分的話這個事辦,那麼明年初就上路明年初上路,那據本席了解好像很多的這個銀行跟券商他不是很熱情的願意參與,有這回事嗎?有這回事嗎?因為你已經明年初了,現在十月了,有沒有把握?沒問題"},{"start":14576.181,"end":14588.454,"text":"其實我們已經有人洽 兩家嘛兩家他們已經願意開始做因為畢竟是一個新型的一個業務他們有時候比較沒有接觸過但是我們從頭示範開始就一個新型明年的話什麼時候會正式上路"},{"start":14596.903,"end":14609.55,"text":"其實我們今年第四季齁今年第四季的時候就是現在呢我們就會推出虛擬資產的一個主題業務示範對所以是說呢那我們在這個部分齁明年就是正式上路就是示範嘛什麼時候正式上路嘛"},{"start":14610.686,"end":14628.456,"text":"因為我們要看看業者在這示範的過程中因為我們是滾動式檢討就是我們要往前推因為畢竟在這個部分那你總是有一個KPI的指標跟目標跟軌道在那裡嘛本期再一次請教現在示範那什麼時候會正式你們的目標啦"},{"start":14633.188,"end":14650.139,"text":"其實我們的目標就是明年正式上路明年1月正式上路好 我們就朝這個目標你不要緊張我們就在聽你的政策然後我們會去追蹤接下來本期最後一個議題請教IMB的平台詐騙金管會鼓勵銀行跟P2P"},{"start":14654.542,"end":14677.988,"text":"的這個平台業者去進行合作所以目前為止你們宣稱的五家合作銀行那麼在8月7號的時候監察院提出有四家是有狀況的沒有依照你們目前的這個指標流程所以本席要請教我們為了管控房子洗錢以及治安的風險你要"},{"start":14680.109,"end":14702.861,"text":"若實將P2P的這個業務納入銀行的內控那你目前也已經行文給銀行工會請他們請銀行來做,是不是啊?是那所以你們是不是有具體的指標跟SOP給他們因為你五家監察院就給你提出四家有狀況欸"},{"start":14704.813,"end":14729.673,"text":"怎麼會如此呢?請說明因為目前為止我們是透過銀行工會我們也想要來組成一個就是鼓勵他們成立一個所謂的工會但是因為他們P2P業者彼此之間的業務的關係或什麼東西目前為止這個工會籌組的自律現在還在進行當中就是因為在溝通平台根本還沒有辦法去溝通所以本席提出這個議題這個問題你一直"},{"start":14733.916,"end":14737.793,"text":"一道指令下去給沿南工會沿南工會要依據什麼?"},{"start":14738.942,"end":14766.999,"text":"要依據什麼?所以本席具體建議你必須將具體的指引跟SOP你要給銀行公會這個是你金管會必須要去做嫁接橋樑的這個重點工作嘛 對不對是 那我們會再跟銀行公會持續保持聯繫你多久時間趕快跟他們去討論人家收到你一張文不知道怎麼做你多久時間你具體的SOP流程跟指令可以告訴本席"},{"start":14768.1,"end":14776.189,"text":"因為我們現在跟銀行公會那邊溝通是順暢但是P2P YES他們公會一直組起來當然啊所以你必須要連結得上才有結果啊你要不要去溝通"},{"start":14781.238,"end":14804.4,"text":"你督導單位啊那大批的平台怎麼跟你們去連結啊去討論啊對不對你趕快去做好不好你也要讓銀行公會銀行團他能夠有一個指標有一個SOP嘛對不對是不是你要不要去做會做多久時間會有一個方向出來告訴我們"},{"start":14807.823,"end":14809.303,"text":"蔡義儀委員沒到,我們接著請洪孟楷委員執行花言"},{"start":14842.816,"end":14845.58,"text":"主席謝謝麻煩請我們莊部長好我們請莊部長"},{"start":14853.083,"end":14878.439,"text":"委員好 莊部長好時間有限喔直接切入重點當然很多的委員都一直很關心在這個會期要討論財務收支劃分法那卓龍泰院長昨天在質詢的時候居然講是說現行的版本就是最棒的版本換言之如果說假設我們接下來進入到實質的這個竹條審查的部分的話財政部這邊也不會提出任何對應修改版本是不是這樣"},{"start":14880.905,"end":14903.75,"text":"跟委員報告財化法這個事情25年沒有修正您就知道它的一個困難度在這邊那卓院長意思就是說如果沒有討論出一個第一個大家有共識而且是一個非常完善的一個版本的話那以現行的版本來做執行以現行的法條來做執行第一我們透過財化法然後統籌分配稅款一般性補助款"},{"start":14904.25,"end":14926.378,"text":"還有計劃型的補助館來推動第一個挹注地方的財政同時也讓重大建設能夠在跨區域的來做推動我想這個部分主要是這樣子這大家都知道啊現行法令不就這樣做但是重點在於是說就是沒有做到嘛所以才會25年來沒有修正來部長我先請教左榮泰院長講是說現行的版本是最棒的版本你認同嗎"},{"start":14928.975,"end":14936.4,"text":"鐵板一塊都不動了現行的版本最棒版本它最高級喔我們學英文知道嘛比較級最高級最高級代表就是"},{"start":14937.796,"end":14958.997,"text":"沒有其他比它更高了你認同這句話嗎第一個在沒有更完善的版本提出之前現行的版本在行政院在推動上是最有把握的我們現在就是這也是過去到現在委員為什麼有那麼多的版本以及我們不管是黨團不管是委員版本就是認為是說希望能夠尋求找出一個更好的版本嗎"},{"start":14961.688,"end":14986.895,"text":"所以現在部長所以兩個部分第一看起來你是不認同卓院長這句話我沒有不認同啊那你認同第一個我跟委員剛剛報告過就是說在沒有更完善更好合理的版本我們現在就是要找出更好更完善嘛過去25年您剛也提到過去25年有多少民意代表政治人物或是政黨領袖有提出要修財化法"},{"start":14988.325,"end":15010.422,"text":"你知道25年五次的時候就已經討論過非常多但是為什麼都沒有能夠修法完成包括當時時任的台南市長賴清德現在的賴總統2012年他講說不要從台北看天下不要獨厚台北各縣市就像嗷嗷待哺的媽媽嗷嗷待哺的嬰兒媽媽看著嗷嗷待哺的嬰兒然後要給他足夠的養分"},{"start":15016.738,"end":15023.029,"text":"2017年18年賴清德行政院長也說要修財化法那到現在勒?"},{"start":15027.986,"end":15045.757,"text":"部長我現在只是比較明確的確定就是說我們現在因為各黨團也都針對說實務的狀況以及縣市來開公聽會因為我們的召委員很負責任嘛開了兩次公聽會嘛那各縣市的意見我們也聽取到了所以說我相信也會有在精進跟討論空間不是鐵板一塊"},{"start":15046.678,"end":15067.629,"text":"那一樣的道理現在鐵板一塊是誰是財政部耶是行政院耶因為有黨團的版本有委員的版本但是至始至終千呼萬喚使不出來就是財政院就是行政院的版本所以我們現在想要問的是當接下來進入到竹條審查才化法修法的時候行政院會不會有版本"},{"start":15070.606,"end":15096.817,"text":"財政部其實也一直在找第一個收集地方政府的意見我們也開會啊所以不是說只有您在公聽會的時候也聽過大家的意見是甚至專家學者的意見第一個大家的爭取的指標是不一樣的因為針對各自有利的對不對那第二個部分就是說你要大量的中央釋出裁員的話事權要不要重新劃分這個東西事實上是牽涉的層面是很廣的"},{"start":15098.22,"end":15124.469,"text":"部長,就是因為簽這個審券廣,你一直講,我想說成功的人找方法,失敗的人找藉口啊你一直在講一堆藉口,我們也知道這些問題啊,你講的我不會不知道本席身為區域的民意代表,我很清楚就像我們一直講到是說六都裡面新北市,我們就很委屈啊如果說這要講六都來講,財化法的這個分配稅款"},{"start":15125.805,"end":15141.38,"text":"新北市你沒有說是最後一名可是如果說除以400萬的人口除以我們的土地面積我們真的是最後啊我們真的是名落孫山啊那一樣的道理我們也沒有說新北市一定就是要多我們只要求公平"},{"start":15142.381,"end":15169.398,"text":"那一樣嘛拉回來本期現在只要想講的這是一個觀念問題我想今天那麼多我們的金融相關的負責人在這邊要看的是部長的態度啊部長有沒有肩膀有沒有態度就是說當我們現在一直講是說問題在這邊可是我們真的要面對了25年沒有修了大家也認為是說與時近近甚至財政部講是說我們要討論一個符合時宜可長可久的版本"},{"start":15170.814,"end":15195.113,"text":"那沒有最好只有更好啊那在沒有最好只有更好的情況下我們還是醜媳婦要見公婆啊當我們討論到財化法的修法的時候財政部到底拿不拿得出版本我們現在不是真的開會已經討論了嗎8月9月都在討論啊所以當委員會就可能陳玉珍召委或是我們另外召委排修法的時候財政部一定會有版本出來一起討論"},{"start":15201.282,"end":15219.747,"text":"財政部在下個禮拜不會有版本啊因為我們已經告訴為什麼會沒有版本的原因我們的報告也已經提給財委會了我們的報告的分析報告非常清楚啊部長,如果說是這樣的態度的話那我就覺得是說你過去這25年白混了"},{"start":15221.071,"end":15226.813,"text":"賴清德總統2017年、2018年當任行政院長的時候信誓旦旦說要修法白混了說實在話這還要解釋是不是部長"},{"start":15241.017,"end":15265.317,"text":"身在其位謀其政為什麼今天我會特別我跟你沒有任何的私人恩怨啊但是因為你今天是財政部長所以我當然會尖銳的問你就是因為財政部長在這一刻你就要負起相關的責任25年來沒有還是你的想法就是說反正我不知道我的任期可以做多久我就拖過啦換言等我安全下狀的時候這一個燙手山芋留給下一個財政部長"},{"start":15266.514,"end":15288.702,"text":"跟委員報告負責任的話就是這樣的做法嗎因為提出好的版本才是負責任的做法所以我們就是因為提出好的版本才是所以現在我們才在講說你有沒有版本嘛就是現在的法令已經不合時宜了我們希望能夠有一個符合時宜可長可久的版本所以你們要拿出辦法如果拿不出辦法就變成是我們有我們委員其他的版本"},{"start":15289.983,"end":15312.117,"text":"財政部你就是一昧的阻擋你就是不想進步不想改革那沒有問題啊就讓國人看吧我們一直都在做是謝謝委員是好謝謝謝謝孟凱那接著我們請那個鄭天才鄭天才鄭天才委員那還有下去是張家俊張家俊張家俊委員接著"},{"start":15313.598,"end":15327.652,"text":"政政權委員、政政權委員、政政權委員不在高軍樹梅、高軍樹梅、高軍樹梅委員不在林楚英、林楚英、林楚英委員不在接著我們請吳立法委員質詢謝謝主席、有請部長"},{"start":15342.423,"end":15348.679,"text":"委員好部長好我們有看到行政院已經是第三次提案延長這個當沖降稅"},{"start":15351.85,"end":15371.89,"text":"我們也希望這樣的一個延長透過單日當沖金量的提高帶動台股單日的成交量實施以來我也很同意因為我們確實看到是有幫助的所以我個人也有提案把當沖降稅的措施延長三年"},{"start":15374.052,"end":15396.825,"text":"可是我這個地方就是想要提醒一下因為這個再延長一直延長畢竟它就是一個特殊的手段我們當然都知道還是要回歸到正常的市場運作所以我們也有看到報導有去指出一些現象雖然確實有成長但是到底成長了誰"},{"start":15398.386,"end":15420.355,"text":"我們看到這個表格裡面有提到外資法人去年的總損益194億可是我們來看本土的時候光是本土的法人他只有1.6億差很多更何況是本土的自然人他是負291.2億"},{"start":15423.476,"end":15441.463,"text":"所以這樣的一個分析讓我們覺得很憂心所以我們還是想說這個當沖降稅不單單是要提升交易量我們更希望的是提升股民跟國庫的經濟效益部長是這樣沒錯吧"},{"start":15445.248,"end":15455.139,"text":"所以我在這個地方就是希望說把握這個延長的三年如果真的延長三年的話那我請教一下部長要做什麼規劃能夠達到我們的目標"},{"start":15458.585,"end":15472.92,"text":"跟委員報告證券市場也好資本市場的管理機關基本上是金管會所以對這一次延長當中降稅這樣的一個措施要不要再繼續延長所以我們在之前有跟金管會做相關密切的一個討論"},{"start":15473.801,"end":15495.701,"text":"也感謝金管會提供了相當多的一些資料除了正向的比如說降低投資人的交易成本然後擴充這個整個維持這個證券市場的一個流動性以及帶動整體資本市場的一個活絡之外當然他也提到就是說必須要有一些管控的一些措施必須要有一些管控機制然後讓這個當沖降稅能夠不要走偏了"},{"start":15498.884,"end":15523.784,"text":"另外也就是我們也請他提供就是說以當沖的跟非當沖的違約的比例來看當沖的違約比例並沒有比非當沖的違約比例高所以我這個部分我們在這一次討論的過程當中都有相關的一個資料的一個分析當然後續委員這邊提到就算有關股民還有國庫的經濟效益的關鍵等等都是要去注意的也是我們要金管會也會去密切觀察的"},{"start":15525.025,"end":15549.518,"text":"謝謝部長我們關心的就是這個延長三年到底是好的誰我們希望還是要把股民跟國庫的效益當作是一個最重要的一個目標好不好提出一些策略其實我另外還要關心一個部分部長您也很了解我對於我們原區也就是以前的原住民鄉"},{"start":15550.879,"end":15556.204,"text":"財政委員會議第12會期財政委員會議第12會期財政委員會議第12會期財政委員會議第12會期財政委員會議第12會期財政委員會議第12會期財政委員會議第12會期財政委員會議第12會期財政委員會議第12會期財政委員會議第12會期財政委員會議"},{"start":15571.957,"end":15597.618,"text":"你們有聽到我的訴求有邀請這六都來但是我說不是邀六都來卻沒有邀真正的這幾個園區來那後來呢你們也用另外的辦了一次但是我看到你們的回函我也蠻傻眼的為什麼因為我們希望就是叫他們來因為財政部"},{"start":15598.579,"end":15621.355,"text":"無論如何,地制法也好、公債法也好、財化法也好畢竟裡面談到財政的部分你們是統籌全國的財政嘛我們也希望你們要有專業意見嘛所以呢,你們邀請他們來對我來講很重要因為他們的意見你們要聽到但是我發現就沒有耶"},{"start":15622.757,"end":15637.537,"text":"後來你們有邀了這一次我看到你們的會議記錄我又更傻眼了我在猜他們的意見在哪裡呀我完全看不到他們的意見他們的發言我只看到結論寫什麼呢"},{"start":15639.019,"end":15659.458,"text":"建議相關直轄市政府橫著轄內園民區自治需求尋預算程序綜合檢討並參著《地質法》第83條之七第二項規定恰商園民區檢討補助事宜我覺得我看到還要去恰商"},{"start":15660.259,"end":15685.201,"text":"那部長我覺得應該這樣的結論你也看不下去因為根本沒有辦法解決問題嘛那好了那我也只好土法煉鋼啦因為我找不到他們的意見我就只好一個一個打電話問每一個區公所與會的人員你們來的時候你們的意見表達是說了什麼好那我要看的你們剛剛提到"},{"start":15686.222,"end":15713.92,"text":"你們的結論要他們看第83條之7的第二項規定可是重點是在第83條之7的第一項為什麼因為重點就是83條之3所列山地原住民居住自治事項他提到前三年平均稅客收入所以我就想要請教部長"},{"start":15714.881,"end":15720.094,"text":"前三年平均稅客收入請教您怎麼算?"},{"start":15724.085,"end":15726.326,"text":"市政府也很多錢他們自己也有水庫的回饋金他們說"},{"start":15752.597,"end":15767.088,"text":"他們的稅出自編是4億多但是呢他們的總稅出決算是8億多你看一下這個計算基礎差了一倍至少一倍那他們很苦的是什麼"},{"start":15768.097,"end":15789.953,"text":"他們要公墨、造橋鋪路還有這些學校機關的設施聚會所等等等這種大型建設都需要地方的配合款您應該也很了解但是區公所他沒有自主裁員他就要仰賴市政府同意然後合撥配合款那這有什麼樣的問題"},{"start":15791.354,"end":15804.586,"text":"因為往往他們很多的案件都沒有在市政府送出的案件內因為他要仰賴市府比席啊所以他們很苦啊"},{"start":15806.195,"end":15833.678,"text":"所以部長您了解所以所以我再進一步的要講就是其實像我們談到的前三年的平均這些年軍公教條新多少物資指數年增率到達多少可是他永遠被那個法條給綁死因為那個法的文字就寫在那邊前三年升格前三年的水準已經歷經多少年了"},{"start":15834.378,"end":15857.145,"text":"不進則退沒有變就是縮減因為那個法定的文字在那邊大家就按照那樣子即可所以我為什麼會一直希望而且我好麻煩就是大家做錯一件事好簡單要回復好難也要到地質法修也要在財化法修又要到公債法修重點這是政府弄錯的事餒"},{"start":15859.62,"end":15882.637,"text":"看我一個立法委員苦口婆心我何其無辜啊我們的族人何其無辜啊委員會這個事情確實非常關切但是我們還是要回到源頭就是《地質法》裡面的規定就是您剛剛也舉出來的那事實上不是只是前三年的平均稅客收入只是一個參酌另外還有其他因素要來做涉算補助至少要讓園民區"},{"start":15884.418,"end":15912.467,"text":"實施自治事項能夠有足夠的裁員我們在會議裡面也提到就是說中央統籌分配稅款逐年都在擴大告訴各職俠是你應該要去讓這個原民區能夠有足夠的錢來實施它的自治事項這是我們這次會議的目的那剛剛委員提到就是說各區的來開會的代表們他們的意見如何其實我們的國庫署室友都有記錄下來我想這個部分是不是會後我們提供給委員他各區的意見我們記錄下來給委員做裁員"},{"start":15914.407,"end":15933.362,"text":"不論是部長或者是國庫署長其實你們都很認真也常常的關心我所關心的議題我很感激我只是覺得很苦啊因為以我一己之力要完成這個政府當年的錯誤我覺得我好累因為我覺得不是就是各部會應該要主動的來去補正嗎"},{"start":15936.664,"end":15957.429,"text":"那我希望因為畢竟財政部是統籌我們全國財政的主管機關我還是希望說給我一個積極的解方修法的意見那是不是這樣部長我希望齁就是再把各區的意見把它整理一下然後呢逐案的說明"},{"start":15958.149,"end":15987.182,"text":"解決的方案就是很具體的告訴大家說怎麼解決那要修法建議的修法方向還有修法的期程這樣可以嗎委員的意思就是我們先把各個區的意見彙整起來然後看有什麼方式可以做主一的讓大家知道我們可以怎麼做當然您要知道修法其實它的工程是比較大的您在那個地質法那邊也有提案可是當年一個法就打破啦對所以修法其實基本上很審慎就是一個條文下去其實影響到後面是"},{"start":15988.622,"end":16011.431,"text":"這是補證以前的錯誤我覺得這個沒有什麼需要審慎那部長這樣子就大概希望在兩週內把這樣的一個積極的還有期程、修法期程可以提供嗎?期程?因為第四法不是我們的主管法規沒有,就是你的專業意見我們就把意見看看我們盡量有提供給委員因為畢竟你們的"},{"start":16013.812,"end":16025.289,"text":"意見我們拿到了之後他就會是未來我們提供給各部會的意見好不好我們盡量研議謝謝部長謝謝主席謝謝立法委員那接著我們請"},{"start":16027.009,"end":16043.704,"text":"黃建豪、黃建豪、黃建豪我言不在廖先祥、廖先祥、廖先祥我言不在謝一鳳、謝一鳳、謝一鳳我言不在蘇清前、蘇清前、蘇清前我言不在羅廷偉、羅廷偉、羅廷偉我言不在"},{"start":16045.152,"end":16069.802,"text":"本席在這裡做一個報告今日登記花園的委員均已詢答完畢那本日會議作如下列的結議就是報告跟說明跟詢答完畢二、委員質詢如果沒有及時答覆或請補充資訊請相關的部會在一週內已書面的答覆委員另有求"},{"start":16070.622,"end":16079.134,"text":"令我要求期限者從期鎖定在這裡再跟大家做一個報告《證券交易條例》"},{"start":16086.803,"end":16112.293,"text":"政卷交易稅條例第二條之二第十四條條文修正草案政卷交易稅條例第二條之二條文修正草案政卷交易稅條例第十二條條文修正草案本五案令哲其繼續審查"},{"start":16115.097,"end":16131.766,"text":"本日會議議程也已經進行完畢那就是 倘若有不在場的委員那請你們補題書面的一個執行一併列入記錄刊登公報並請議事人員協助處理好 休息"},{"start":16151.049,"end":16156.814,"text":"行政院函請審議:「證券交易稅條例第二條之三及第十二條條文修正草案"}]},"會議時間":"2024-10-16T09:00:00+08:00","會議名稱":"立法院第11屆第2會期財政委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請財政部莊部長翠雲率所屬機關首長暨國營事業董事長、總經理(含各轉投資事業機構公股代表之董、監事)列席業務報告，並備質詢。\n二、審查「證券交易稅條例」7案：\n(一)\t行政院函請審議「證券交易稅條例第二條之二及第十二條條文修正草案」案。\n(二)\t本院委員羅明才等20人擬具「證券交易稅條例第二條之二條文修正草案」案。\n(三)\t本院委員賴士葆等25人擬具「證券交易稅條例第二條之二及第十二條條文修正草案」案。\n(四)\t本院委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等19人擬具「證券交易稅條例第二條之二及第十二條條文修正草案」案。\n(五)\t本院委員賴惠員等37人擬具「證券交易稅條例第二條之二及第十二條條文修正草案」案。【本案須經各黨團簽署不復議同意書】\n(六)\t本院委員林楚茵等19人擬具「證券交易稅條例第二條之二條文修正草案」案。【本案須經各黨團簽署不復議同意書】\n(七)\t本院委員邱志偉等19人擬具「證券交易稅條例第十二條條文修正草案」案。\n【10月16日及17日二天一次會】）","委員發言時間":"08:31:02 - 13:01:00"},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}