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關懷除了達成AI行動內閣想推動的政策之外並且實現國家希望工程的願景提供優質便於民行的服務創造更美好的交通生活以上是交通部重要的業務報告請各位委員指教支持謝謝大家"},{"start":3874.974,"end":3875.034,"text":"謝謝陳部長的報告"},{"start":3881.491,"end":3901.664,"text":"現在進行尋答先宣告一下事項尋答時間出席委員6加2分鐘列席委員4加1分鐘委員發言登記於10點30分截止各委員如有臨時提案請於10點前提出以便醫事人員會診暫定10點30分休息10分鐘上午尋答預計至12點15分指下午2點繼續開會"},{"start":3908.849,"end":3935.396,"text":"現在請登記第一位李坤澤委員發言謝謝陳書越召委請一下陳世凱部長杜威董事長江耀宗董事長還有陳文睿局長林福山司長也上來一下杜威董事長還有陳文睿司長還有那個江董事長"},{"start":3938.393,"end":3947.409,"text":"部長您好現在因為電力的調漲那台鐵跟高鐵對於票價的調漲已經有一定的討論那"},{"start":3949.69,"end":3975.243,"text":"我在過去針對票價的調漲就一個重要的原則我們要向人民多收一塊錢都要以最嚴肅的態度說明清楚以及要達到預期的目標這是重要的原則那台鐵跟高鐵有跟你報告有關票價調漲的問題嗎在目前有跟你說明報告嗎"},{"start":3976.374,"end":3977.075,"text":"那台鐵的部分大家"},{"start":3992.495,"end":4013.594,"text":"社會已經有共識了就認為臺鐵的票價29年沒有調整那的確是已經進入有討論的空間這個部分社會基本上是能接受有討論的空間那高鐵的部分社會又有不一樣的看法那我先請教一下臺鐵杜薇董事長"},{"start":4014.994,"end":4032.165,"text":"那我們現在明年的電價成本預計要增加4.56億那之前我看新聞或是相關的資料你們說大概要增加2.28億這個差距是怎樣?為什麼?"},{"start":4033.65,"end":4047.928,"text":"跟委員報告這個預估有包含我們台鐵要在明年度以及現在的努力就是有兩個方向一個就是我們要努力的去節電度數把它減少"},{"start":4048.829,"end":4073.525,"text":"杜董事長我在問你的是你們跟媒體講說明年的票價明年的這個電力的漲幅會增加台鐵的支出增加2.28億然後後來發覺自己搞錯了應該是增加到4.56億為什麼呢因為啊你們自己就搞混了這個電力的調漲啊他有14%還有7%還有動漲那"},{"start":4078.396,"end":4085.579,"text":"你們記者在問你相關的這個電費的調整你們應該是屬於491這個代碼就是它是鐵路運輸業然後你們跟記者講的是路上運輸業是499的代碼499的代碼這個是7%"},{"start":4101.107,"end":4123.79,"text":"但是鐵路運輸業是沒有這個7%的這個優惠啊你們自己就搞錯啦記者跟你們阿你們自己說這是7%的這個電費其實是14%啊杜董事長我對你們啊真的是你是個很認真的董事長沒有錯但是啊"},{"start":4126.309,"end":4148.027,"text":"這種臺鐵內部的安全文化跟問題意識啊真的是讓社會大眾啊真的很失望會少一個車廂然後問你電價自己7%或14%也搞不清楚這個真的真的是要檢討那你們預計會開董事會來討論票價的調整方案"},{"start":4149.026,"end":4176.717,"text":"我們現在票價的調整方案我們還在做研議做一些調整我們做好以後會提報董事會部長我對台鐵票價的調整我認為就是有討論的空間了但是你們對於安全對於準點對於電力效能的一個提升相關的這些必須要跟社會大眾講我們要做到什麼目標"},{"start":4178.135,"end":4193.425,"text":"報告委員這個部分齁在台鐵跟我討論這個票價的時候我第一個要求也是這個樣子要讓社會要讓民眾感覺到服務的提升安全的提升那針對這次的電的問題也是一樣我的要求是不應該把電的漲價"},{"start":4195.026,"end":4217.275,"text":"直接反映成直式的反應就是票價要調整並不是這個樣子我們要先做節電而他們的節電其實是有效率的在113年也獲得了能源局的補助臺電的補助4500多萬的補助我們也節電了1.5%左右在明年我也特別拜託經濟部的能源署要特別專案輔導臺市這個做得不好的我們來改善"},{"start":4219.082,"end":4233.652,"text":"指責跟督促但是對於電力的效能的提升啊臺鐵是有在做是你們現在也要更新相關的電測線以及光纖的這些系統設備啊也要做提升那這個對於相關的"},{"start":4234.732,"end":4263.042,"text":"電力的提升是可以我認為是大概可以省下大概153萬度的這個電力這個有在做啦這個相關電力跟成本等一下我們再來討論那高鐵來董事長來你們的想法是怎樣因為電價調漲我們明年大概會增加電費3億6千萬那當然高鐵的一直在"},{"start":4265.963,"end":4271.912,"text":"對一些高耗能的設備一直在排放然後我們在實施駕駛的節能駕駛"},{"start":4274.611,"end":4274.831,"text":"委員會主席"},{"start":4295.592,"end":4315.44,"text":"針對特許連線從35年延長到70年然後政府在相關的關股以及放關股給予挹注支持讓高鐵能夠繼續的永續經營所以當初是有調整票價但是後來就又撤回"},{"start":4317.281,"end":4343.109,"text":"這麼多年來我對高鐵的票價我一直堅持一個原則十幾年來都是這樣高鐵的問題是運量不是票價所以這麼多年來我們要求高鐵要設立自由做相關的優惠措施這個也成為高鐵在營運的一個重要的比例那這個部分"},{"start":4345.885,"end":4368.995,"text":"我們高鐵現在在討論到票價的調整那我覺得啊人台鐵是艱苦人家在那說要調整票價社會認為有討論的空間那你高鐵看人吃米粉你也在那化修也要說一下存在感說我們也要調整相關的票價我們目前還沒有提出最好是這樣"},{"start":4371.465,"end":4398.578,"text":"部長我認為在明年的農曆春節之前相關的高鐵跟台鐵尤其是高鐵這個票價讓社會來討論你們也必須在明年的農曆春節之前必須要提出具體的我們針對台鐵的安全性針對台鐵的準點服務的效率相關電力的一個提升我們有什麼具體的做法"},{"start":4400.419,"end":4423.194,"text":"要跟人民多說一塊錢都是很嚴肅的事情對,我們會清楚做好說明好,那我們剛才討論到相關的電費的問題啊我們電費啊,我們來看依照台鐵公司的預算書還有高鐵的年度財務的這樣一個報告書台鐵電費的總支出是29億那佔營業支出是6.6高鐵的電費總支出是24億它佔營業支出是8.7"},{"start":4430.407,"end":4446.602,"text":"那現在電費要調整那高鐵台鐵預估要增加4.56億就是支出會再增加1%那高鐵會增加3.2億到3.6億這是預估支出會再增加1.15%但是"},{"start":4449.943,"end":4470.828,"text":"部長,台鐵跟高鐵的營業收入不一樣,台鐵的今年上半度營收是157億,那對比去年增加了大概10億高鐵蠻強的,今年上半營收就265億,對比去年增加了20億"},{"start":4472.568,"end":4473.228,"text":"委員會主席"},{"start":4490.612,"end":4490.732,"text":"主席"},{"start":4510.831,"end":4517.075,"text":"高鐵的營收是跟運量有關當然營收是有成長營運成本也是成長現況是這樣"},{"start":4541.471,"end":4562.144,"text":"那新北市大概是28%那新北市以南都是個位數我們要提升這種大眾運輸的市佔率台北37%你以為很高嗎你知道東京香港新加坡八成以上"},{"start":4564.203,"end":4592.421,"text":"韓城的首爾韓國的首爾也有56%以上我們的大眾運輸我們要鼓勵民眾去使用大眾運輸然後票價調整是很嚴肅的事情你票價調整那民眾就說那麼貴那我就不要使用大眾運輸了大眾運輸要鼓勵大家去使用這個我們特別注意這個要特別注意我們對於列車準點安全改善服務品質能源效率的短中長期目標"},{"start":4593.662,"end":4614.584,"text":"都要落實而且提出改善的目標你才有調整票價的依據了所以部長在明年春節以前臺鐵的票價不會去做變動嗎春節之前不會高鐵都不會嘛高鐵我目前還沒有看到報告高鐵還沒有提案還沒有提案那就想提案"},{"start":4617.574,"end":4635.453,"text":"我們希望高鐵還是要負起公共運輸的責任因為政府幫高鐵非常大的忙特許年限35年延到70年這是2015年還有相關的採改關股放關股的挹注這個社會責任高鐵其實"},{"start":4638.479,"end":4638.999,"text":"李坤澤委員林珮祥委員"},{"start":4671.464,"end":4678.622,"text":"謝謝主席有請部長還有航港局的還有航港局的局長跟民航局的局長"},{"start":4691.237,"end":4700.364,"text":"委員長,針對最近中國大陸的軍演,把整個台灣的航道全部封鎖,不管是空運還是海運,他們現在所有的航道全部封鎖。"},{"start":4711.372,"end":4711.752,"text":"包括委員"},{"start":4728.599,"end":4743.649,"text":"這一次他們的軍演他們是有這樣的計畫跟說法但實際上對於我們實際的這個民航的航班跟我們的船舶的運輸完全沒有受到任何的影響所以那天我也特別發了一個新聞稿跟社會大眾說目前是沒有受到任何的影響"},{"start":4744.309,"end":4769.369,"text":"那他們在演習的過程當中如果民航會受到影響他們也會事先先告知那這一次他也確實是沒有特別告知這件事情那我們跟這個配合國安單位以及這個海巡單位我們在海岸上面看到的其實也真的對我們的這個航運是沒有任何的影響不過委員你這個提醒是很重要的如果事情真的發生的時候交通部我們所屬的包含民航"},{"start":4769.949,"end":4774.354,"text":"所以說這次演習之前其實兩邊其實某個程度有一定程度的默契不要影響到民生不要影響到貨運的進出對吧"},{"start":4790.363,"end":4805.155,"text":"這個有沒有默契我不曉得但是以結論來看以結論來看確實是沒有影響到他們的演習的過程對我們的所有的航班都正常的起降那我們所有的航道上面的船舶也都正常的進出這個部分是沒有問題不過在這中間演習的時候現在房間都在傳有關有一個LNG船"},{"start":4812.361,"end":4816.363,"text":"LNG船的部分我之前有看到媒體在報導這件事情但實際上有嗎?"},{"start":4831.854,"end":4855.71,"text":"LNG船應該因為後來中友有跑出來講說這個LNG船提早到了那我的我要問的最主要目的是因為說假設真的有任何的疏失那不要講疏失有任何的意外那LNG船來到我們的港口現在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這個好管制但現在有很多的貨櫃是直接在內陸運輸啦不是真正在海外運輸的這個部分反正啦"},{"start":6860.65,"end":6874.023,"text":"我已經提醒你了你不要造成民怨嘛一般用路人看很可怕跟委員報告我們是以交通安全的觀點在切入在做這件事情因為在載重的部分他甚至我們偵測到我沒有反對你去過棒"},{"start":6877.193,"end":6877.513,"text":"我再講一個安全的問題"},{"start":6895.742,"end":6899.464,"text":"提醒港府局,進口貨櫃全部都過半,超重的會拆櫃或壓櫃,現在裡面有足夠的空間嗎?有足夠的動線嗎?幾乎各貨櫃廠都是大塞車,台灣經濟不錯,所以各貨櫃廠都塞滿滿的,現在拖出來"},{"start":6919.275,"end":6940.852,"text":"因為他有沒有操縱你要拖出來嘛你車頭車拖累把載去過半你要安排好動線你裡面有空間嗎你有迴轉的距離嗎對 辦公委員這個我們現在四個會議港我們都會跟港務公司幾乎是不可能啦你也趕快去弄好了要不然到時候又造成很大的民怨拖延貨物進出關的時間啊"},{"start":6942.332,"end":6943.253,"text":"藍尿油算是危險物品"},{"start":6971.494,"end":6994.653,"text":"我們維繫貨品政府是應該要有法定規定的那你業者業者要去載運燃料油要去哪裡載?要去機場載阿要跟民進黨局去機場載所以呢我去查了一下你去申請載油的車輛阿你都要有通行證沒有錯你要有臨時通行證你只要載100公斤以下的貨品那這家業者"},{"start":7000.834,"end":7020.759,"text":"媒體報導被抓到他在台東花蓮完全都沒有完全都沒有用通勤證這是公然違法的事情這個不行如果有違法一定要裁處我認為政府現在因為我們沒有限制你再用危險物品的載重上限"},{"start":7022.403,"end":7041.306,"text":"你應該要把他限制,現在你老天堂,你現在載500公斤也沒關係,你載幾噸,你載8000公斤也沒關係啦,所以你必須要設定你一個載重的上限,然後逼這些業者你要去使用合法的像潮貫車啦,"},{"start":7043.196,"end":7054.304,"text":"我們目前公路局是不是已經在研議了?研議針對多少公斤以上?用什麼樣的容器?什麼樣子的超貫車載運?是不是已經開始在...你看看這裡在路上行走這個是很可怕的事情"},{"start":7055.86,"end":7080.397,"text":"這個部分我大概跟委員報告一下剛剛講的一個部分就是說貫潮車以外的部分大概就是只有一百公斤這個以下那正常的運作方式應該就是因為超過一百公斤以下他有相對過去五年啦過去五年在運維權物品喔就出了差不多四百二十四千都是歐北債啦那你看喔我們現在國內的那種這種同業啦這些都是自動機公司只有這間啦只有這間那種鐵攤啊你知道啦我不知道他有什麼關係啦"},{"start":7087.077,"end":7088.961,"text":"這家公司曾經被運安會"},{"start":7093.056,"end":7116.59,"text":"公務員報告一下這家公司以前都違規都沒有申請這個臨時通行證那後來這個申請這個臨時通行證之後那個公務局經理也發現到因為他是用小貨車然後申請這個載重的部分超過這個小貨車的總載重量所以也就立即在撤銷他的臨時通行證他載的是燃料用油"},{"start":7117.631,"end":7147.103,"text":"那個藍點很低欸很危險欸所以都是屬於危險物品都要申請臨時通勤啊所以他這個那這家公司為什麼敢這樣做啊所以現在就是說撤銷他的臨時通勤他過去20年摔了5次飛機啊死了8個人啊脅迫臨就死在這家公司的我們除了是後續的管理之外從源頭我們也跟中郵在協調就是在郵的時候如果看到他是用不合格你要要求啊一定要有通勤證你才可以載啊第二個你要限制啦"},{"start":7147.643,"end":7149.564,"text":"接下來邀請魯明哲召委"},{"start":7183.499,"end":7200.526,"text":"謝謝主席有請我們交通部陳部長請陳部長這個外送人平台的這個是林市長嗎這未來是市長管理還是公路局啊未來管理單位到底是誰啊公路局公路局也來一下"},{"start":7205.507,"end":7225.444,"text":"有看到你們要針對我們汽車運輸業的管理規則跟它的一個價格的一個準則做一個預告不管是修正新增的這個的部分我看到了我現在很多民眾也看到了那當然未來我看到在整個這個你們的汽車貨運業裡面的像這種"},{"start":7229.047,"end":7231.328,"text":"訂價格的準則很多啦包括計程車你要怎麼遊戲規規規規規規規規規規規規規規規規規規規規規規規規規規規規規規規規規規規規"},{"start":7258.416,"end":7282.336,"text":"就是在我們計程車業者你要營業登記證幾年申請制你有多重的一個管制你要考上更大的客車或營業你要經歷過多少一個部分但事實上我們在外送平台的一個我們的機車外送員事實上是比較進入是沒有障礙的你只要考上駕照你就可以進入你有沒有每一年檢驗要不要回信不用 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某一家外送平台要併購另外一家外送平台居然併購的價格9.5億的美金它會超過300億的台幣我第一個感覺說"},{"start":7383.28,"end":7408.057,"text":"這是一個非常賺錢的一個平台的一個行業那我覺得應該要用第一線打拚的外送員他應該受到更多的保障我相信部長跟大家的想法都一樣那第二個呢因為如果併購成功併購成功他會變一個台灣兩大的一個外送平台的業者變成一個獨大所以對於我們外送員"},{"start":7408.977,"end":7410.878,"text":"部長您的想法是不是也是這樣"},{"start":7428.045,"end":7446.711,"text":"報告委員我覺得外送的這個議題相當的大牽扯到的部會也相當的多而且它是一個新興的一個數位的平台的消費模式新興的模式但目前為止政府對於這方面似乎是沒有任何的法令在管理那交通部是處理最上位的那個地方最上位就是運費"},{"start":7447.551,"end":7447.791,"text":"好部長"},{"start":7478.722,"end":7490.547,"text":"這個從外送委員來看我剛剛已經說了事實上從疫情之前2019年到大概去年統計真的超過三倍去年登記的人數這是勞動部的一個資料這個產業我們整個台灣"},{"start":7495.629,"end":7523.895,"text":"的自己的國民在做這個行業需要受到保障的人數這個行業算非常多所以我們制定一些法規我覺得他是有他的合理性第二個我們外送平台的可以講外送員他的一個事故我說真的有時候騎著機車不管是雨天天氣冷熱天說真的不容易所以他們發生一個事故的統計我大概每天平均三個人在台北市所以我是覺得"},{"start":7525.435,"end":7549.533,"text":"這種法規這種預告也好現在大家都預期啦如果我們政府介入預告半天薪水會越領越低也不要預告啦大家都預估未來外送員的一個權利福利會能夠比較好但是我還是要提醒一下現在消費者也在擔心啊我覺得有一個目標啦我覺得有一個方向我是覺得要從平台這個雲上啊"},{"start":7550.509,"end":7574.194,"text":"有賺的錢去分享給我們下面的國人不管國人的角色是外送員是消費者是店家他在第一線這麼努力我是覺得這個法規如果弄到最後啊如果這樣消費者現在在問我當然你們也不清楚嘛因為各縣市到底怎麼定但是未來你們透明化的結果可能是幾層續層再加上"},{"start":7577.835,"end":7599.033,"text":"樓層夜間11點之後春節我覺得夜間跟春節這個蠻合理的我自己覺得蠻合理的但是樓層費到底要怎麼收是按照我訂的時候我是10樓還是說我訂的時候你要送貨的時候我擺樓下還是說坐電梯的比較輕鬆爬樓梯的怎麼弄我真的不清楚"},{"start":7599.673,"end":7617.539,"text":"不過等待費這個部分我請教一下市長也好部長這個店家等待費你們定義就你們定義是指等待完成製餐是什麼意義就是說外送委員到我店面在等餐了這個時間等了5分鐘是不是要計費"},{"start":7620.64,"end":7646.86,"text":"等待費的部分的話因為當時這個大家討論的部分就有點參照這個計程車的一個概念那計程車的部分的話他是有這個等待客人這樣子的一個這個費用但是這個部分的話有一些參數的部分的話這個後面各縣市這個性質會不一樣大家一定要共同做討論那另外一個部分的話就是說這段期間包括委員所提的樓層費或是這個"},{"start":7648.982,"end":7649.362,"text":"等待費等待費等待費"},{"start":7668.639,"end":7668.799,"text":"報告委員："},{"start":7697.698,"end":7697.718,"text":"委員會長"},{"start":7715.703,"end":7716.023,"text":"法定人數不足"},{"start":7738.379,"end":7757.05,"text":"因為店家也在反映現在當然這兩家業者平台業者應該可能都在國外我們很歡迎全世界的這個要做生意的來台灣我們都很歡迎開放的可是問題現在每一家店面就是一個單他大概平均我知道抽3成多3成多賣個便當100塊"},{"start":7759.872,"end":7759.992,"text":"委員會主席"},{"start":7782.842,"end":7808.257,"text":"我們預期外送人員他的條件是必要變好不然我們就白幹了對不對他變好的這些錢如果再來是店家他3乘5變成要出4乘4乘5我跟你講到最後的結果是大概就完全跟我們想法完全不一樣為什麼店家不玩了如果店家不玩了或者消費者覺得很貴了他也不玩了"},{"start":7808.917,"end":7809.057,"text":"李卓人議員"},{"start":7826.127,"end":7827.068,"text":"接下來邀請廖先祥委員"},{"start":7863.695,"end":7864.175,"text":"邀請陳副部長陳副部長"},{"start":7880.507,"end":7903.943,"text":"我覺得一直以來像我們交通部好像都是男性的首長居多啦那當然啦這可能跟部會的你本來的組成就有關係啦可能本來女性在交通部的比例本來就比較低一點啦那我覺得你還是可以檢視一下我們女性首長所佔的比例跟我們女性這個所佔的員額的比例相比啦是不是有明顯的落差啦所以這一排只有何...何...何...對啊 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委員好部長在執行之前必須為我們的這個公路局還有這個台鐵的效率表示讚賞本期在禮拜一在委員會執行這個南迴災害的時候今天就派員到現場窺看大陣仗的去看那民眾感受非常的強烈就是說今天要好這個要讚賞不過這邊好像本期辦公室都沒有收到通知這個部分是不是"},{"start":12996.383,"end":13004.786,"text":"要,其實我也會要求我們的各局署,未來所有的會刊在地方的時候,因為都跟區域的立委都相當的有關,都應該要通知,這個必須要通知。"},{"start":13019.531,"end":13021.313,"text":"臺東交通很重要,臺東未來鐵公路中斷時要力拼三個小時就要疏通,我們整個花東輸運計畫的SOP具體是什麼?"},{"start":13040.035,"end":13066.036,"text":"具體的如果您要文字內容我們可以提供給委員但是我們是希望三個小時之內例如說如果是蘇花的那一段中段的時候我們趕快啟動南回就是臺東的部分南回的不管是公路運輸也好或者鐵道運輸在上上一次的這個中段的過程當中我們就馬上來啟動那啟動他的火車不只是到運送到西部我們還會拜託高鐵配合配合台鐵的班次到達之後怎麼樣在"},{"start":13066.916,"end":13089.758,"text":"在做西部的輸運這是一個那再來空運的部分我們會馬上加強上來就是說當它一中斷我們三個小時之內趕快調派飛機去拜託航空公司處理飛機的部分但是船運的部分其實會速度比較慢因為現在我們就是靠新台馬輪那大概要一兩天的時間才有辦法過來這個是比較後面但是我們未來希望能夠建立藍色公路如果假使我們平常時就有船運在跑"},{"start":13090.379,"end":13119.184,"text":"那未來如果發生陸運的狀況的時候部長非常好陸海工都考慮到了非常的完善不過部長其實在這一次山坡和颱風的時候你的SOP完全沒有效果就是在上個禮拜而已是因為你連任的豪宇整個南迴你講到南迴部分南迴公路第一個預防性的封路就是新香港到大武這一段整個封路陸運公路不行然後台鐵部分因為大水沖刷火車不行"},{"start":13119.804,"end":13120.364,"text":"臺東是北中南東完全被隔絕"},{"start":13137.335,"end":13154.325,"text":"我們其實臺東仰賴就是鐵公路我們臺東才會發那個飛機像本席有遇到飛機飛到臺東的上空就原路折返然後本席必須再到臺北坐高鐵到高雄如果晚上沒車要請人到高雄接駁到臺東這個是臺東目前"},{"start":13157.222,"end":13158.343,"text":"臺風是比較特殊的狀況臺風我剛才在講的海跟不可能"},{"start":13174.042,"end":13198.968,"text":"部長這是你災害的SOP對但是實際上委員颱風正在走的那個過程當中任何SOP都沒有用而且當時是全國在放假的狀況底下我不可能恢復空運跟海運這是必然的那空運的部分跟委員報告其實我們的南回公路它的強度算是蠻強的抗災強度蠻強所以在當時您的狀況是還有辦法走公路回到台東"},{"start":13199.488,"end":13222.11,"text":"委員長我是在颱風前回去在颱風的時候跟委員報告有些時間是停的部長針對這一個部分未來運營也希望兩週內會將SOP送到本席辦公室好不好接下來我們要跟討論公路的部分就是台九縣關於我們交通部支持台九縣的關於本席非常感謝"},{"start":13224.572,"end":13226.175,"text":"民眾對於道路的拓寬一直有爭議"},{"start":13235.715,"end":13262.367,"text":"臺九縣的拓寬上面是不是請局長跟國務委員報告我了解因為道路的拓寬會涉及到房屋的拆遷那大概就是說在臺東有一些路段的部分大概民眾還是希望就是說這個寬度不要那麼寬然後可以減少拆遷那這個部分我想我們當然也有在做相關的溝通只是說因為整段的臺九縣從花蓮到臺東"},{"start":13265.369,"end":13292.35,"text":"確實當初的一個規劃設計是從30米寬度來做相關的規劃還是要聽取地方的意見因為其實我這邊補充一下當時我們的目前我們現在的總統賴清德總統在當時當行政院議長的時候推動了地方創生地方創生的精神是什麼適地適用那我們講到的這個比如說粵美啊瑞豐啊這些地段啊他是長期形成的一個聚落啦那因為你為了要拖"},{"start":13293.467,"end":13317.193,"text":"民眾都支持拓寬一次要拉到30公尺他整個地形地方完全改變甚至影響到民生的問題這部分我們本席要代表當地的居民來跟部裡面這邊來反映我想現在很強調我們公共的治理是公民參與這件事情那不是過去由上而下應該是聽取地方的意見來做這樣的調整那這部分是不是"},{"start":13317.853,"end":13318.493,"text":"接下來邀請李坤澄委員質詢"},{"start":13355.043,"end":13356.586,"text":"謝謝主席,我們請陳部長"},{"start":13367.805,"end":13388.635,"text":"本席今天就是要來爭取一下三重區的交通建設我們賴總統還有宣誓大概除了現在在執行中的特別預算之外我們大概之後不會再用特別預算的方式來編列一些比如說軌道建設或是其他的一些建設等等"},{"start":13389.275,"end":13390.436,"text":"明年度的預算從1190億增加到1579億成長率是32%高出來這麼多的預算其實很多都是屬於這個"},{"start":13408.875,"end":13409.295,"text":"臺北北環南環新北桃園"},{"start":13438.455,"end":13455.627,"text":"結運航空城的這個結運還有臺中的這個藍線高雄的這個黃線這些加起來這些預算加起來這個大概會越來越高 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很關心所以臺鐵的從業人員的這個薪資的調整的部分我們其實已經有方案那目前我也正積極在跟人事總處這邊在溝通針對從業人員他的薪資的部分的調整我們希望能夠趕快給他拉高那我希望能夠很短的時間內能夠有成果再向您報告"},{"start":21936.501,"end":21950.727,"text":"謝謝部長因為的確上次我也說基層都沒加薪的情況之下董事長居然自己先調薪了這個40%對於這個基層是會有影響我想在領導上面是這樣的說法是會有影響但實際上杜董他的薪資的調整是"},{"start":21951.627,"end":21976.25,"text":"我知道你們會說依照規定辦法,這個沒有問題,但是我只是要告訴你說,是,是,沒有錯,感受上基層,一定感受不好的。所以部長剛剛也說應該是以基層為優先吧,對不對?沒錯沒錯,基層優先。好,因為我希望說,那部長你剛剛有說也在擬電腦新的方案,看是不是你們擬好的時候也可以給本席。我們已經擬好了,只是說我們現在在跟人事總署在溝通,那如果他們那邊OK的話,大概就可以完成,那這個版本是不是再提供給委員好不好?"},{"start":21976.67,"end":21999.774,"text":"因為這樣的工作環境跟待遇其實就是新人招不到舊人留不住那留不住人才的話就是台鐵這未滿10年的年資的員工長年大概就是5成上下在徘徊所以招不到這些問題的話我想要另外問一下那現在台鐵基層負責維修跟安全檢查的員工現在缺額有多少?這個缺額我是不是請董事長好不好好董事長"},{"start":22002.073,"end":22026.006,"text":"這跟委員報告剛剛委員講到這一列我們的缺額主要是發生在我們的供電系統還有就是我們東部地區的對 所以你們缺額有多少那遭不到這些原因的原因是什麼遭不到的原因就是因為東部現在比較沒有那個任職意願的人"},{"start":22026.966,"end":22051.757,"text":"那再加上我們上一次我們招考從業人員我們的過程比較短一點所以我們 沒關係董事長我只是想要跟你講這件事情就是今天勞動部調查因為我時間有限了不好意思把你打斷了有6點勞動部的調查裡面有6.6萬的職缺超過半年找不到人這是所有的產業沒錯但是對於治安全至關重要的維修跟這個安全安檢人員平均開缺要等多久才能補齊"},{"start":22055.349,"end":22073.343,"text":"這個現在我們公司已經沒有所謂開靴的這個情形了我們現在就是我們第二次招考剛剛報告的我們從業人員第二次招考今年底以前我們會好董事長我就是最後要跟你講一個結論反正綜合上述我們希望你們可以更重視基層員工"},{"start":22074.104,"end":22074.284,"text":"加蓋摩托車"},{"start":22098.399,"end":22126.742,"text":"另外想要請問一下說關於新型態的機車包括這個全覆蓋式的機車以及手把龍頭是傳統的手握式或是駕駛盤式雖然民間一直有希望開放的聲音但是因為它涉及到安全道路管理路權監理等多項問題所以我想要請問一下交通部針對此類的新型態的機車合法上路目前有沒有規劃那目前研議的情形如何年底之前有沒有可能讓新的管理政策上路"},{"start":22127.382,"end":22156.457,"text":"這個新型態的車子我們確實是之前台灣比較沒有引進那現在可能會有引進的可能性的時候我們交通部確實已經有在研議那進度的部分我是不是請司長來跟委員報告這個部分跟委員報告一下部裡面目前有在做研議那但是這一個在歐盟那邊是屬於L5的這一個算是三輪機車的部分那但是最後這些行駛的路線還是要到這個地方的道路所以我們後續還要跟地方政府做討論"},{"start":22157.197,"end":22176.448,"text":"對,所以我想要跟你說的就是針對這類加蓋機車有沒有要設立新的分類目前看到你就說可能會納在L5嘛對不對那也就是指這個排氣量域50cc或是電動超過5馬力之三輪機車當然這樣會有兩個問題首先如果是這個二輪式的加蓋機車是不是就無法納入規範進而上路"},{"start":22178.867,"end":22206.998,"text":"跟委員報告一下如果因為這裡面有三輪的還有這一個二輪的那如果說下方這個二輪的部分的話其實國內啦國內像這個BMW他有原廠生產就是說有架蓋的這個部分那基本上那個是比較單純是屬於一般的這個二輪的一個機車那剛剛委員提到的那個三輪的部分的話那個路線就比較這個複雜一點因為他沒辦法兩段式左轉可能有些路線可能要比較"},{"start":22207.398,"end":22208.279,"text":"法定人數不足"},{"start":22224.193,"end":22227.476,"text":"委員您這樣的建議我們就列入討論因為目前也在討論的過程當中您的寶貴意見剛好可以作為我們參考進來之後我們就把它納入來討論"},{"start":22243.448,"end":22271.896,"text":"對,因為我覺得對於新興還有創意的這些產品我都主張行政機關應該要鼓勵多元發展但是再怎麼樣也不要成為它的主力將這些產品扼殺在搖籃裡但同時我也主張應該合理管理並考量到現有的制度的影響並做出合理的修法調適那這個部分是不是也可以請你們在這個合規你們現在討論的進度然後以及未來可能的方向和你們現在跟地方政府討論的一些要點你是不是也可以會後給本席一份"},{"start":22272.256,"end":22272.476,"text":"謝謝主席有請部長陳部長"},{"start":22298.117,"end":22315.453,"text":"部長好 學長好 議會的學長 台中人加油 但是我是外委員會直接切入主題其實要跟部長特別分享 在9月27號的時候我也陸續關心台虎 我們的台中虎航陸續規劃台中的一個航線"},{"start":22317.255,"end":22345.033,"text":"當時相關的單位給我的回函相關規劃以及申請已經在實際面早已經遞交9月27號回函給我們但是因為目前還在程序中尚未核可本公司將持續追蹤進度待相關程序核可以後確認以後再另行議定銷售期程及復航日期可以看得出來這個回函是這個回函是公司給我的一個進度那我真的不懂"},{"start":22345.413,"end":22364.983,"text":"在9月27號給我們他已經遞交了相關的申請程序那為什麼最後會沒有到底是卡在交通部還是我們有外交的壓力大陸的杯葛報告委員這個應該因為他們在申請的是成田跟名古屋的這個航線那目前我們在等待日方那邊的同意"},{"start":22366.061,"end":22394.242,"text":"所以我也很納悶喔日本首相石破茂相對對台灣是非常的友善怎麼可能會卡這麼久原因到底是什麼你們目前有沒有找外交部來做一個溝通跟委員報告齁有關這個案子其實我們跟外交部都有陸續在接洽中然後一開始得到這個訊息就是說一直還沒有同意的時候其實就透過外交管道去做相關了解那我們民航局這邊也跟日本的這個JCAB的部分也有在聯繫"},{"start":22395.003,"end":22418.514,"text":"我想最後的結論大家看到就是沒有航線那台中的航線越來越少身為台中人的交通部部長我覺得責無旁貸那我想華航的董事長也在現場作為最大股東虎航最後歸零了沒有這個航線了我想在這個過程當中華航的角度是怎麼樣是支持嗎還是有權力的慰留這部分華航說清楚好不好"},{"start":22419.912,"end":22441.599,"text":"那個虎航虎航現在是上市公司那基本上他們本於公司治理他們的營運的狀況我們是不能干預但是這個事情我跟委員報告是這樣子我們回去會找他來商量就是說台中的部分是不是這個部分是不是可以儘早能夠恢復這是我能做的"},{"start":22442.059,"end":22469.325,"text":"我想現在都撲空我們都非常非常的難過那部長能不能給我們一個期程能不能承諾臺中的航線只會越來越多不會再有減少那個虎航在澳門的航線的部分雖然在10月26號我知道你說1月的時候1月會再恢復對對對但我們不只是澳門我們希望的是日本另外我們還有其他的新宇航空它的這個沖繩的航線這個我都知道但現在我們希望是越來越多不能拿新宇來講虎航"},{"start":22469.645,"end":22492.421,"text":"我絕對跟您的角度是一樣的我們給您的標準會比較高我希望臺中的機場未來的運量要不斷的提升未來能夠服務的航線能夠不斷的增加所以您願意承諾朝這個方向來努力只會增加不會減少並且虎航全力想辦法協助我們一定朝這個方向來努力我想國民都在期待那我也要特別拜託"},{"start":22493.001,"end":22514.763,"text":"臺中有幾個重要的我們關注的議題不管是我們現在的鐵路高價化包括烏日大慶這一段這在我的選區也在你過往服務的選區那以及還有一個很重要的是噪音改裝的一個問題從114年1月1號開始我們雖然有法令已經在開始要做一個合格鐵牌的一個認證但是我們對於噪音"},{"start":22515.484,"end":22515.905,"text":"道教條例增列"},{"start":22530.583,"end":22531.143,"text":"是不是我請市長好不好"},{"start":22549.383,"end":22574.827,"text":"跟委員報告有關於這個我想這個排氣管改裝製造噪音的部分大概是環境部跟這個交通部還有這個這個我都知道我還是要講啦有因才有果啦趕快處理源頭啦不要只是一直噪音噪音那源頭把它處理好改裝的問題我們是抓改抓草不抓改再重申一次抓草不抓改那但是源頭如何擺"},{"start":22575.687,"end":22586.234,"text":"跟委員報告就是說抓草不抓改所以這個排氣管單品的部分這個環境部已經在實施單品的這個認證那我們經理機關就是負責幫忙這個安裝的這個符合環境部的認證的這個排氣管之後我們就會辦理這個登記"},{"start":22595.1,"end":22610.387,"text":"你相關會後文字資料再給我啦那部長還有一個問題啦偽造車牌非常猖狂你自己應該也知道吧現在我們的法規比以前還要嚴格喔但是現在反而你高你真度的喔這個假車牌生意越做越大"},{"start":22611.26,"end":22639.033,"text":"未來交通部有沒有什麼因應對策幾個方面一個方面是我們跨機關的取締的部分當然要再加強因為取締面不是在交通部這邊所以跨機關的部分我們有在努力那第二就是說針對他下架因為大部分買假車牌就是網路上網路的下架的部分我們也請數位部在協助當中所以下架的部分我們在努力那第三就是我們自己的這個加嚴的標準就是未來的罰則要再提高的部分目前交通部正在處理就在嚴禮當中嗎"},{"start":22640.294,"end":22655.187,"text":"所以對於現在道路交通管理處罰條例第12條第一項第三款我們可以看到使用偽照變照還有相關的牌照處罰為3600到10800元的8萬我們希望再提高再提高而且並可處一年以下有期徒刑可不可以再提高"},{"start":22656.352,"end":22656.532,"text":"謝謝羅廷維委員"},{"start":22687.236,"end":22688.418,"text":"陳佩玉委員陳佩玉委員"},{"start":22710.36,"end":22710.62,"text":"網絡票選人行地域"},{"start":22725.345,"end":22739.192,"text":"那於是呢這個內政部就決定要全額補助來改善這個交通路段那當然會會同交通部還有一些事情需要討論但是我們看到在這個票選出來之後呢桃園市政府他們已經說他們預計明年5月即將要開始動工那部長現在已經將近10月底嘛齁你覺得這個路段如果要動工的話應該要聽取哪些人的意見"},{"start":22748.837,"end":22774.1,"text":"當然我們絕對尊重而且也支持人本交通可是部長您覺得在改善這個交通路段的工作應該要聽取哪些人的意見我想在周圍的商家跟住家然後還有就是說當然地方政府也是很重要的意見必須要加入那再來就是我們對於交通上面的專業我希望如果交通部可以參與那也是一個方向"},{"start":22775.101,"end":22790.901,"text":"那當然內政部這個案子可能是內政部他們所以他們也必須加入還有就是一個警政單位也必須要加入太好了部長果然非常專業我剛剛就是說因為他是內政部要全額補助然後交由市政府去執行可是我們看到市政府現在用非常直接蠻橫的態度就說5月即將動工"},{"start":22793.624,"end":22814.746,"text":"可是呢相關的居民卻沒有收到很多的討論跟說明的邀請甚至沒有相關的公聽會剛部長你都說了我們除了專業專家的意見其實當地商家還有每天會出入這一條路的人那以我自己為例我知道這條路上其實就有一所高中一所國中孩子們每天要上下學我給部長看一下可怕的片段謝謝"},{"start":22819.946,"end":22820.206,"text":"法定人數不足"},{"start":22837.03,"end":22861.058,"text":"議員就收到了200多人的陳情來告訴議員說這個蠻橫的處理手法這樣不通啦吼所以我們辦公室收到陳情吼因為我現在的選民服務落在這個地方我們跟議員討論我們也聽了一些聲音有看了一些意見那我們已經發文給交通部跟內政部希望可以積極的請聽當地公民的聲音因為像這樣的交通建設他務必要有公民參與的角度剛剛部長您也說了"},{"start":22863.138,"end":22882.183,"text":"實際上的用路人就是住在周圍的住戶跟商家比較多還有包括您所提到的學校的學生是用路人真正使用的人所以我們希望最後的工程改善可以讓用路人可以參與一些建議因為實際用路的是他們不是只有設計單位還有坐落在旁邊的商家"},{"start":22882.523,"end":22910.408,"text":"因為這個動工的期間我們可以想像那個交通的黑暗期一定非常可怕那商家的生意不要被影響行人的權益也不要被影響但是我們又可以預期可以看到整個內政部全額支持的交通改善可以得到美好的成果所以剛剛也聽到部長的承諾我們辦公室之後會協助地方議員召開公聽會跟座談會也要拜託交通部當然我們也會再去找內政部把相關的人員帶到地方來請聽大家的聲音這個部分是不是可以請部長給我們公開"},{"start":22911.288,"end":22911.528,"text":"接下來邀請張祺凱委員"},{"start":22944.626,"end":22972.956,"text":"請陳副部長副部長你好委員好今天你被問了一整天那個台鐵漲價的事嘛我們做個總結第一個春節過年前不會漲對不對對這是第一個嘛那我也肯定你你說你不會把這次10月份今天開始漲電價的"},{"start":22975.276,"end":22982.592,"text":"加到臺鐵這個票在裡面去嗎?這個應該落實好不好?可是我現在為什麼聽到臺鐵那個說什麼十個日子要再送去董事會是什麼?"},{"start":22986.87,"end":23002.255,"text":"請杜董杜董你不用回答啦你現在送去你現在只要貫徹部長講的兩個過年前春節前不能去好不好跟委員報我們還在研議中研議齁所以你之前上去討論你一定要貫徹這個地理你今年上的那個價格不是2.28億喔4.56億對不對絕對不要加上去喔"},{"start":23009.918,"end":23038.986,"text":"我肯定部長這樣做 不然從省電那邊嘛 減少人民的負擔 這個我高度肯定好不好OK 那你那個部長請回我們來談一下我延續剛剛培宇的那個行人定義博定你今年的1月份到6月份我們的行人不幸死掉了 過世了多少年照你上面的數字183很恐怖喔"},{"start":23041.404,"end":23060.709,"text":"這個數據太恐怖了吧6個月我們的行人發生事故不限過往的183人那一天大概就是平均一個所以怪不得CNN說我們是行人地域啊那交通部我看資料你們本來訂了今年要比去年是要降7%"},{"start":23063.021,"end":23087.387,"text":"結果現在不只沒有降反升對不對上升了將近6%5.78%這個要拜託一下部長這要當作為重中之重來處理好不好是我們來看一個個案目前7月跟8月是已經都下降了這些數字對對對1到7月已經降了那8月也都降一些繼續努力好不好希望把今年這個目標是真的達到是往下降不要漲整體來說到目前為止比去年的同期還降"},{"start":23088.067,"end":23105.039,"text":"太好了 我們來看一個個案 你在台中來的嘛我來看 也是東海的喔看一下你學妹這個個案9月24號東海大學這個女學生這個事情後來你了解 她主要發生意外的原因 其實就是那個公車要轉彎的時候沒有停下來 沒有看嘛"},{"start":23105.359,"end":23129.782,"text":"我們有強制停等但在這一台公車他沒有停等而且我們不只強制停等還強制要指差確認但是他顯然是沒有做這個動作所以我們現在一個是強制要去執行第二個應該是修法跟修相關的規則我們看一下目前的規定是道路交通安全規則的第103條的第二款我進去看各自這個規定有沒有有漏洞"},{"start":23132.959,"end":23136.043,"text":"汽車行進行人道穿越的時候,遇有行人穿越"},{"start":23137.601,"end":23139.442,"text":"現在是只要有行人都得停等這是必然要停等的"},{"start":23165.483,"end":23194.149,"text":"這個法就要看起來條文就是你看到有人遇到嘛遇有人穿越你才停下來嘛那事實上你應該就是我知道你們現在已經這樣做啦我是說你應該把這個規則就這樣定你寫的紅字這邊是只要遇到有行人穿越就要啦後面當然有些條件更要啦前面只要是行人穿越就要就要停現在問題就出在你看不到行人有穿越或者有死角嘛所以應該不是說有行人的時候你才停下來"},{"start":23195.563,"end":23223.469,"text":"是不是?應該像日本嘛,你到了一個路棚,你要轉彎的時候你就要停下來,而且要做手勢嘛,是不是?部長,我想跟你講一下,來來,剛剛這個條文是你們要負責管的。報告委員,這個是一般的汽車啦,但是只要是客運的那種大型車輛是,不管有沒有人,他都必須要停等,而且要只差確認,尤其是客運公車,不管有沒有人都得停。對嘛,這是你現在的規定嘛,對不對?是阿是阿。喔,所以你的規則裡面你就把它訂好阿。"},{"start":23224.589,"end":23234.226,"text":"不是只有要求交通部做我做立法委我也來修啊道路交通管理條例的法則第44條第2項也沒有明定喔我們分工好不好"},{"start":23235.023,"end":23261.694,"text":"修法這部分報告這個部分這個部分齁沒問題你要提案這是對對對我就明定我不是什麼什麼你看到再停下來現在應該像是但是這會影響到一般的汽車駕駛人未來只要通過路口不管是紅燈綠燈有沒有人他都得停齁這個可能一般的道路上面的交通可能會國家都是要停啦對不對你這個人本的社會你就是先保障行人嘛一般是大型車跟客運是這樣子我們來做這個討論好了你在"},{"start":23264.855,"end":23291.481,"text":"道路交通安全規則的103條第二款你們去處理好不好那我負責來修法修道路交通管理處罰條例的第44條第二項這要做到什麼程度我知道你們現在目前是希望九大運輸業你們都規定嘛對不對而且是說有看到人我現在是說你沒有看到人你也應該這樣做我們分工分工來做這件事情好不好那另外有點時間那個我在前兩個月邀請邀請這個"},{"start":23293.803,"end":23318.382,"text":"交通部長、前交通部長李孟彥到我們嘉義市來那時候包括王美惠、王維銘事實上建設地方建設都是不分藍綠的那他來了之後嘉義市的市長黃敏惠有提了10項的交通上的這個建設很多那個署長跟處長應該有跟著去那時候10項李部長有引諾6項我知道大部分都在執行當中我今天拜託你兩件事情第一個"},{"start":23319.662,"end":23342.293,"text":"這個建設是延續的而且對地方對全國都是好的所以你要跟你的集數所長講要請他貫徹好不好過去承諾的我們會繼續做這是第一個第二個我最近來邀請你你有空跟我去讓我們我跟王惠美王委員還有交通委員會的我們請拜託來看看我們這個嘉義市有沒有哪些重要交通建設要做好不好請你多支持我們再安排謝謝謝謝博定好謝謝一起努力感謝謝謝委員謝謝張其凱委員"},{"start":23353.831,"end":23354.211,"text":"吳宗憲委員請陳部長"},{"start":23380.477,"end":23395.226,"text":"委員好部長主要是要討論宜蘭部分的問題宜蘭是一個很偉大的地方像蔣渭水像以前法務部前部長陳定南都是那邊孕育出來的所以那是一個很特別的地方"},{"start":23397.322,"end":23417.677,"text":"我想跟部長就講幾個問題就是宜蘭他現在交通還是宜蘭一個很頭痛的問題我假日常常帶家人去宜蘭玩但是要嘛去塞車要嘛回來塞車不然就是有時候遇到高乘載我自己去就很也會很麻煩所以"},{"start":23419.093,"end":23438.455,"text":"宜蘭有兩條任督二脈要打通我想部長一定非常清楚一個是高鐵另外一個是快速道路那這段時間其實我一直替宜蘭去爭取一些甚至我也到過宜蘭那邊參加他們的一些會議我們希望多做一點能夠讓宜蘭這個地方能夠更好"},{"start":23439.297,"end":23453.498,"text":"那我現在主要是第一個我想先就叫我剛剛所提到的第一個任督二脈的第一個就是高鐵的部分那請問一下部長這個高鐵延伸到宜蘭這第二階段環評再評估進行中馬那預計他什麼時候會通過"},{"start":23455.38,"end":23480.452,"text":"這個環評我們希望在明年的第三季可以完成現在在進入第二階了那明年的第三季我們有機會可以完成部長如果有機會你可以去看一下收假的時間其實宜蘭塞車塞得非常非常嚴重這個我知道那這個一定會影響到那個地方的發展所以交通要趕快處理甚至宜蘭他也是花蓮台東的人他要到臺北或是要就是到北部的時候他常常會"},{"start":23481.833,"end":23500.331,"text":"經過宜蘭所以那個地方不是只有宜蘭他要到西部有便利而已甚至花東都會有關係所以這塊要麻煩部長能夠盡量能夠推動他快一點那我想請問一下就是因為我看到近年很多高鐵站他附近的一些那個"},{"start":23502.553,"end":23528.072,"text":"電家還有一些住宅區都發展得非常好像是中南部的高鐵站的特區大概都有400公頃以上但是宜蘭只有190多公頃那裡面雖然有住商區但是他欠缺的是產業區那這個部分是不是應該要通盤的檢討而不是到時候快到時間了或者是發展到一段時間之後發現不夠了那這時候才要去改變"},{"start":23528.812,"end":23546.45,"text":"不知道你們有沒有去討論到這個部分目前這個部分擴大的部分有跟地方政府在做討論有在做討論那這個部分其實大家共識應該也不少不少不少共識但後續我們還要看都市計畫還有整個國土規劃的這個這個規定之後再來做定案"},{"start":23546.51,"end":23576.31,"text":"那除了中央之外麻煩你們一定要聽宜蘭當地宜蘭縣政府以及當地的各個團體或者是一般人民他們的意見因為這個跟他們最有關係不要說因為我在看了好幾個高鐵站他周邊都發展的好繁榮那我希望宜蘭他也能夠有這樣的效果出來那這時候就不能夠因為他的特區的面積太小而讓發展受限制我覺得這個都不好甚至其實這幾年宜蘭的人口一直在增加"},{"start":23576.91,"end":23591.78,"text":"所以我覺得他可預期將來一定是一個不錯發展的地方再麻煩一定要趕快把這個處理好另外就是將來這個預定區內的住宅還有一些廟宇可能有搬遷的問題那是不是說要麻煩你們"},{"start":23594.001,"end":23620.836,"text":"我希望說將來我會開一個座談會那我希望你們能夠派人一起參加我們來聽聽看地方的聲音我們招開的時候你們派來的人不要說派一個很低層級無法決定事情就是應付了事好不好這個麻煩到時候一定要麻煩你多幫忙我們希望讓宜蘭那邊的反彈能夠更小讓他們能夠將來享受到最多的利益還有就是那個替代道路的問題那個替代道路"},{"start":23621.616,"end":23634.862,"text":"是從瑞芳交流道到那個交西的三明路那邊那這個也要請你們趕快去做這個評估啦那這個可行性評估大概什麼時候可以完成地帶道路"},{"start":23636.554,"end":23648.921,"text":"這個部分在8月份我們已經報給院 可行性研究已經做好了 那我們已經報給行政院 目前行政院正在審核當中好 高鐵如果沒有那麼快 但是這個替代道路要麻煩速度能夠快一點 因為這個應該會比較"},{"start":23651.923,"end":23652.203,"text":"在總諮詢的時候我有請教部長"},{"start":23676.271,"end":23693.469,"text":"臺鐵設置月臺那個柵欄門的事情那因為昨天在英哥有發生一件不幸的事情那是不是你們可以趕快考慮這個部分有這個部分我們有在努力做那明年就會看到一個實驗的這個月臺門在高雄就會看到"},{"start":23694.15,"end":23694.33,"text":"謝謝吳宗憲委員"},{"start":23724.225,"end":23724.946,"text":"主席有請部長請陳部長"},{"start":23743.735,"end":23759.536,"text":"部長好 委員好根據荷蘭自動導航系統商TOMTOM公司最新公布的亞洲交通最糟城市的排行那前10名當中 台灣就有3個城市入榜 你知道嗎"},{"start":23760.357,"end":23781.355,"text":"我知道我有看到這則新聞事實上跟2022年相比臺灣主要城市的交通狀況不但沒有改善而且持續惡化所以這個交通問題也是大家非常關注不過城市的塞車問題是交通亂象其中一個但今天我要問你另外一個問題是國道系統的擁捨其實也非常的嚴重"},{"start":23782.386,"end":23800.155,"text":"那國道不但是民眾跨縣市通勤的重要命脈企業物流觀光產業的運作其實都跟國道有很大的關係那最近也確實遇到很多民眾反映說這幾年國道越來越塞了我想請問部長你上次在國道開車是什麼時候"},{"start":23802.2,"end":23825.385,"text":"我蠻常開,上一次應該是禮拜天所以你算是經常開車那你請問你有沒有覺得國道塞車問題越來越嚴重當然比我們過去的經驗來說車越來越多那你覺得為什麼塞車越來越多就是車越來越多嘛對不對車輛越來越多這是事實客觀的條件那我要跟你說其實國道現在恐怕不只是塞吧而且很危險對不對為什麼呢"},{"start":23828.166,"end":23834.736,"text":"因為從2016年到2023年你知道國道事故的次數是增加還是減少?"},{"start":23837.374,"end":23857.272,"text":"跟委員報告那有一段時間是有降然後後來在這兩年有點微升上來對就是趨勢是升的這兩年如果是有一點我就覺得你保守了點我來講個數字你看是不是叫有一點2016年的國道次數事故的次數是1764次你知道2023年是多少"},{"start":23863.385,"end":23868.732,"text":"3,503次 漲幅將近要兩倍對於全國的事故數同期漲幅是1.32倍1,700變成是3,500漲了兩倍叫做有一點點嗎"},{"start":23882.892,"end":23904.421,"text":"跟委員報告這裡面是屬於A2的事件你要跟我講西向分類講不完但我跟你講事實上你不能只挑對不對你覺得好像不高的數字來講但像這個國道的似乎次數總是政府統計出來精確的數字嘛也就是兩倍啊那請問部長嚴不嚴重"},{"start":23905.959,"end":23921.071,"text":"如果是這個數字看起來是兩倍的話當然是嚴重不管是幾倍啦只要趨向嚴重或趨向數字更多我們都必須檢討當然啦傷亡數更可怕國道傷亡去年是多少人傷亡人數5828人那你知道2016年是多少人嗎"},{"start":23929.139,"end":23949.87,"text":"那個是受傷的人數 受傷加傷亡嘛 傷加亡嘛 2016是2891 也是快到兩倍我想部長你一直講說你很在乎 那我想請問像這種問題 目前我們交通部的拿出來辦法是什麼 有什麼辦法先講原因啊 為什麼增加那麼多啊"},{"start":23957.098,"end":23977.023,"text":"這幾年的話就是說分心駕駛的非常多那為什麼分心駕駛這麼多那以前就不分心現在比較分心現在手機用LINE的人手機用的比較多那我想請教有些調查的結果他自己都承認都是因為在分心或者是疲勞的時候"},{"start":23978.086,"end":23982.01,"text":"數字只要是向上我們都必須要檢討那如果我們找出原因是因為用手機的人數多了的話或者是開車用手機我們還是要想辦法"},{"start":23998.047,"end":24008.179,"text":"所以我們一直在宣導就是說不超速那那個不分心不疲勞駕駛然後要繫好安全帶大概就是三不一樣的部分要做好這樣才有辦法就確保那個安全駕駛"},{"start":24009.193,"end":24034.209,"text":"總而言之這個數字我是希望交通部作為警惕那當然另外一個問題就是說根據交通部自己統計數字國道客運載客量2019年是8138萬人次的高峰到疫情後2022年降到4300萬人次2023年雖然回升到5209萬人次但是能遠低於疫情前的水平"},{"start":24035.009,"end":24058.451,"text":"那面對國道客運大幅下滑的情況請問交通部有什麼樣的措施來協助業者度過這樣的難關報告委員他下滑是一個客觀確實發生的事情那幾個面向一方面或許對民眾來說搭乘高鐵或是搭乘台鐵便利性也蠻高的高鐵台鐵其實在8年前就有了"},{"start":24059.011,"end":24059.531,"text":"接下來邀請洪孟楷委員"},{"start":24095.492,"end":24120.502,"text":"主席謝謝麻煩請陳部長請陳部長好部長好部長本席過去到現在一直很關心我們的觀光產業是尤其是疫情那個時候飯店旅遊住宿觀光餐飲運輸本席都認為是說海嘯第一排是沒錯那疫情也過完了現在恢復今年"},{"start":24121.642,"end":24144.737,"text":"今天早上你已經講了就確定1000萬的來台旅客人數跳票只剩4分之3750萬我們還是設定這樣的目標我說過前線同仁大家還是很努力我還是設定這樣的目標當然我沒有否定前線同仁的努力基本上觀光行業以及過去到現在我一直覺得是說我們同仁都很用心那但是現在750萬是一個可能的狀況嘛"},{"start":24149.66,"end":24169.508,"text":"尤其今天有媒體也報導了就是說有可能有千萬旅客的逆差千萬旅客變成說台灣人都往外跑是不是應該目前還在評估應該不會這麼多啦不會到千萬嘛不會到千萬一千七百萬嘛沒有錯啊那這樣子就這樣子其實是強勁的啊"},{"start":24171.229,"end":24192.978,"text":"沒關係部長說實在我們現在面臨到因為現在已經10月了嘛那我當然希望好但是我們現在在做一個檢討你說有可能是因為地震颱風軍演等相關的關係但我們看日本我們看其他我們鄰近的國家也有颱風也有地震可是為什麼他們的觀光是逆勢成長他們觀光比疫情之前還要好"},{"start":24195.653,"end":24220.93,"text":"日本應該所有的臺灣人民都知道因為日本現在日幣很便宜大家都很愛去是包括我們自己都很愛去所以說對我們來講你覺得是現在匯率匯率臺灣的物價高因素很多這是其中之一來部長我給你一個機會你想一下你明年講還是講是說希望拿到千萬旅客人次本期一定樂觀其成但重點是怎麼做來今年750明年要變1000250萬怎麼來"},{"start":24223.735,"end":24246.551,"text":"具體你的目標這個一千萬的這個來台數其實他是有一些策略跟方法然後我們是五大市場比如說這個五大市場我們私下都很多溝通的管道但我現在想請教原則上應該這麼說因為部長今天早上750嘛部長"},{"start":24251.135,"end":24264.453,"text":"新人上任三把火對不對講一下嘛報告委員你自己覺得怎麼樣我明年250從哪邊來然後250是達的到的有沒有一個亮點可以讓大家覺得來"},{"start":24266.472,"end":24291.421,"text":"我們這個航空業目前正在恢復當中恢復的過程當中其實旅客也會增加這是一方面那二方面其實更關鍵的是大家為什麼會喜歡來台灣玩台灣要有亮點所以我們現在針對亮點的部分正在努力當中那大家知道這次的地震當然其他地方也有地震但是對台灣來講太魯閣是一個很重要的觀光資源那這次很不幸地地震發生在東部那太魯閣確實受損了"},{"start":24292.901,"end":24295.404,"text":"亮點有可能是環境也有可能是活動也有可能是各縣市的對不對好"},{"start":24311.48,"end":24334.446,"text":"這就回到老命題其實我們各縣市有非常多的一些活動我覺得都是很有特色譬如說臺東有樂氣球新北有天燈節耶誕城新竹有風箏澎湖有花火那一樣嘛我們不希望是說集中在哪個月份我們希望是說平均如果是12月12個月每一個縣市每個月都可以有一個主題或代表是"},{"start":24335.446,"end":24361.009,"text":"我就請教這樣子會不會更加的會讓大家覺得說整個臺灣很有趣每個月我來至少我都有一個縣市我就不會集中消費在某一個地方委員說的很正確我們應該要平均一點大家每一個月都能夠來所以第一個第二個就是說針對宣傳面我們有12個活動假設我們有12個月有12個活動宣傳也要讓國外的旅客知道所以我們可能比如說打出12大"},{"start":24362.435,"end":24387.307,"text":"一月可以去哪個縣市二月去哪個縣市那請教部長腦海裡面你有沒有想到譬如十月我現在哪個縣市是可以去我們十一月開始就是馬上有一個記者會了就是我們的今年的十一月開始就是二十二個縣市啊去分工所以月月有亮點所以十一月的話是花蓮那元月是台中我看部長不需要你那麼保護啦來啦部長"},{"start":24390.676,"end":24398.587,"text":"11月可以去哪個縣市11月阿以我個人來看11月台灣的每個縣市都很好玩"},{"start":24399.673,"end":24420.133,"text":"那這樣不就又回到老話一句如果說大家都很好玩那就沒有亮點啊縣市都亮點那就是沒有亮點我們現在討論其實很務實的討論部長我沒有要挖洞給你跳我現在點出來這個問題因為這個就是過去到現在我一直在交通委員會有講的就是說我希望是讓全台灣都能有"},{"start":24420.413,"end":24435.611,"text":"所以這也是為什麼我們有一個中央機關交通部下的觀光署當然我自己也覺得是過去觀光觀光舉報觀光署真的還不夠是天氣變涼台灣有很多的很好的溫泉的區域或許我們可以來發展溫泉的旅遊"},{"start":24436.472,"end":24453.961,"text":"日本很多的溫泉旅遊台灣人很愛去但其實我們台灣有相當多很棒的溫泉景點這個部分或許可以列為11月或者12月冬天的時候可以用的月份所以部長我就麻煩了既然我們就已經有共識其實我沒有要偏後哪一個縣市因為只要台灣好只要旅客來台灣對我們來講都是賺我們"},{"start":24456.562,"end":24458.603,"text":"關光旅遊住宿飯店餐飲運輸這都是我們國人可以獲得的"},{"start":24480.563,"end":24505.058,"text":"所以我們列出來12個月我希望下一次你可以很侃侃而談你甚至如果說有機會出國的時候也可以跟國際友人介紹11月來台灣哪一個縣市什麼活動你一定要來非來不可12月新北耶誕城你一定要來因為這真的是已經被列入說是全世界十大的一個亮點所以你沒有來的話太可惜了"},{"start":24505.498,"end":24506.559,"text":"李博弈委員"},{"start":24541.578,"end":24541.599,"text":"請陳部長"},{"start":24551.394,"end":24573.819,"text":"部長你好委員好11月你想去哪裡剛剛夢開委員講的我現在正式邀請你來11月來高雄好嗎高雄有沒有什麼比較好的溫泉或許我們可以去高雄高雄有溫泉我可以帶你去看在六龜而且現在復原中那有很多很值得去看的我來帶部長去看但是我也很想帶我一些國外的朋友來看"},{"start":24574.707,"end":24601.99,"text":"那國外的朋友來其實高雄正在起飛這個全台灣都知道高雄因為台積電五個高階場進駐那接下來還有高雄目前為止有很多演唱會經濟有很多東南亞東北亞來的旅客其實他們透過轉機來透過轉機來的原因剛剛部長接受很多中部立委的這些考答那你也來自之中對"},{"start":24603.753,"end":24607.202,"text":"為什麼台中的航線少那我要問你的是為什麼高雄"},{"start":24608.513,"end":24632.808,"text":"到目前為止到疫情結束以後到航空業復甦到目前為止所有的中型以上的客機回不來其實很簡單臺中的委員他們認為說飛機壞了你先犧牲我臺中航線那高雄我認為疫情在復甦中還是民航所有包含"},{"start":24634.11,"end":24641.76,"text":"華航還是把飛機放在桃園機場還是把中型飛機放在松山機場"},{"start":24643.286,"end":24670.901,"text":"這些中型飛機並沒有回來小港機場其實還是調度的問題所以我在這邊要跟部長也做一個要求是要求南部需要運量南部需要養量南部正成為一個高科技包含半導體的中心南部需要中型航班準備對接美國直接飛美國"},{"start":24671.662,"end":24673.491,"text":"那現在目前最新的消息在這個"},{"start":24678.186,"end":24705.708,"text":"美國一個航空公司已經宣布美籍聯航已經宣布在準備來飛高雄東京他準備飛高雄東京其實下一步就是從東京再轉到比如說LA或者是舊金山那我們希望爭取的是在我們審核這條航線的時候直接要求包含雙走道的飛機A350或波音787以上的飛機"},{"start":24707.549,"end":24735.457,"text":"讓這台飛機可以經由從小港的旅客可以飛到東京不用下飛機不用拖行李直接飛到美國這個是我們希望民航局可以做的希望部長可以責成的第二個這個不用之前的計畫說高雄國際機場要投入880億啦我跟你要飛機還沒跟你要880億因為先有飛機先有巨量880億跟這個航線沒有關係880億花下去大家才要感受第二個"},{"start":24736.317,"end":24737.825,"text":"我在大院我在立法院"},{"start":24739.055,"end":24766.053,"text":"在左院長旁邊質詢你高鐵的高雄計畫是這個高雄計畫不得了啊這個高雄計畫應該可能要超過一千億啊我在這裡也沒有要跟你爭取一千億我跟你爭取兩億就好了兩億讓左營高鐵站的月台可以直接下去這個我們的高雄捷運我剛才也碰到這個江耀宗董事長他也很認真啊他也馬上跟我說已經在前天去拜訪高雄市政府"},{"start":24766.693,"end":24787.025,"text":"其實齁 董事長我跟你說齁 那個不是林青龍副市長的個性啦林青龍副市長如果聽到你跟他說 這個還要經過8個月的可行性評估 早就翻臉了那天對你很客氣 說好 先可行性評估 然後做細部設計在這邊我要建議部長 可不可以可行性評估加細部設計一起做"},{"start":24788.567,"end":24803.042,"text":"簡短這個時辰這個可行的部分應該是可行的啦大家已經看這麼多次不管是市政府也好委員也好委員尤其特別關心這個議題也爭取了非常久那現在高鐵公司也很感謝願意做啦可行性"},{"start":24805.445,"end":24821.752,"text":"讓部長講完就好我是覺得可行大家都已經討論過了那到底可不可行的基本設計我覺得可以直接做了我是希望建議台那個高鐵公司直接我們就進入基本的設計那設計的設計面如果不行的話我們再來討論好謝謝部長"},{"start":24823.873,"end":24846.85,"text":"董事長我沒有時間第三個議題也是非常重要的就是高雄貫川三個醫學中心七所大學以及兩個科學園區的捷運子縣目前可行性評估謝謝交通部的補助已經送回到交通部接下來我們要努力在兩年內"},{"start":24847.591,"end":24848.051,"text":"李博弈委員"},{"start":24866.63,"end":24889.685,"text":"那接下來邀請黃珊珊委員黃珊珊委員黃珊珊委員黃珊珊委員不在現場接下來邀請傅坤祺委員傅坤祺委員傅坤祺委員傅坤祺委員不在現場接下來邀請麥玉珍委員麥玉珍委員麥玉珍委員麥玉珍委員不在現場接下來邀請顏寬恒委員顏寬恒委員顏寬恒委員顏寬恒委員不在現場"},{"start":24893.607,"end":24894.308,"text":"王宏威委員陳穎委員"},{"start":24930.196,"end":24936.438,"text":"我們先請那個交通部長請陳部長第一次到這裡質詢這裡陽剛氣好重部長好謝謝您的咖啡我想好的他這個可以讓你精神好一點我想先我們今天來討論一下這個花東交通的這個問題我想在今年其實我們有很多"},{"start":24958.587,"end":24979.066,"text":"近幾年有很多天災啦不管是0403的地震也好還有最近很嚴重的颱風齁那甚至就是豪大雨等等那經常都造成我們的對還有一個就是前幾年發生的這些重大事故我想我剛剛舉的這些例子齁都是經常造成我們"},{"start":24981.648,"end":25001.321,"text":"東部鐵公路中斷的一些重要原因當然每當這些事情發生的時候我們國內飛往花蓮台東的航班大家就趕快去坐飛機但是航班又很少時間也不是很理想所以再加上像近期的天災來講"},{"start":25003.142,"end":25031.185,"text":"我們有就是說像這個蘇花公路它有這個坍塌問題還有我們沿路這個火車回來的時候往東部開其實它都還是有這個地質地質疏鬆還有這個土石流等等的這些問題所以會造成就是說即便我們火車很勉強的上路行駛了但是呢常常都因為有一些特殊狀況我們"},{"start":25032.426,"end":25059.354,"text":"火車會務點我們都要停下來那當然對於民眾來講每次要回去這個回花東的路心裡都毛毛的所以我們會選擇從臺北要回臺東或花林我們會這樣就是選擇西部幹線然後又要繞南回回來其實最近是有相當多的人選擇這樣的方式特別剛好七八月到九月其實都還有我們原住民的這個重要的例行的祭典"},{"start":25060.174,"end":25087.774,"text":"所以這個部分雖然很公平的這個票價計算方式都一樣但是我們回來的這段路卻多花了很長的這個時間還有金錢所以這個部分我不曉得交通部是不是有研議在這種重大的特殊狀況發生的時候有任何的配套措施以及補助來協助我們東部返鄉的民眾"},{"start":25089.128,"end":25115.229,"text":"報告委員特殊的情況如果是道路中斷的部分我有報告過就是說我們有3個小時啟動的輸運的方案這個是輸運的部分但您剛剛在提的是特殊的祭典或者是特殊的活動的部分我們目前沒有做特殊的規劃但您剛剛在講的這個飛航的航班的部分確實現在航班比較少那委員也關心過很多次而且也比較貴很多"},{"start":25116.51,"end":25146.328,"text":"是我們正在努力我覺得第一步我們一步一步來第一步先至少讓他禮拜一到禮拜天每一天都要有航班到花蓮的部分這個我們正在努力來做應該十月份這個月份應該就可以好我們會盡快來做讓他一到日都有航班往花蓮那台東的部分沒有問題那我知道委員在講的是說希望能夠對票價上面多做一些補貼那這個部分我們也來思考看看要怎麼做"},{"start":25146.408,"end":25147.369,"text":"最近的颱風跟地震確實是造成大家的影響。"},{"start":25170.828,"end":25195.794,"text":"那所以針對在因應這樣子的狀況的時候這個不是增加航班而已你增加航班對於我們很多的選民來講他負擔是重的你光來回就好幾千塊耶所以這個部分要請你們特別去研議那剩下一點時間我另外關心一下那個淘機的部分那這個淘機的部分呢"},{"start":25198.535,"end":25226.37,"text":"這個其實我們有實地的去去勘查那因為像比如說以去年的新聞來說淘機的這個國際排名有連四年下滑從13名掉到82名但今年有稍微再往前了那其實其實在所有的檢討很多的原因裡面呢有一個很重要的關鍵就是在整個機場的服務工作我們是仰賴一群沒有經過完整禮儀教育訓練的保全"},{"start":25227.671,"end":25253.433,"text":"我覺得機場它是國門那我們不管是國內的民眾要出國或者是國外的民眾要來台灣旅遊大家都是懷著一顆開心的心情但是光是今年我們實地這個觀察的結果就是去我看到的一個狀況在這個簡易的部分在裡面大家就一群這個"},{"start":25255.356,"end":25255.836,"text":"這個態度上當然是不行的"},{"start":25283.73,"end":25294.922,"text":"這是很誇張那我們站在就是已經要出關了那總要找一下家人打個電話在哪裡也過來你不可以站在這裡為什麼"},{"start":25296.209,"end":25319.763,"text":"沒有講原因啊他說我為什麼不能站在這裡他說你站在這裡你就要被罰錢我說你恐嚇嗎這是你們在恐嚇民眾嗎就是這樣子的態度所以我覺得大家我說這樣子的保全的同仁是不是因為穿的那個制服感覺自己很像FBI就可以就可以這樣子去大吼大叫"},{"start":25320.583,"end":25338.729,"text":"我覺得這樣的心態我是很不能接受那很多民眾也都來跟我們投訴好所以這個部分我想這個特別提出來不是穿了制服就很帥就很有威嚴這樣的態度我們一定會要求機場公司要去檢討我覺得其實董事長他很認真我必須要在這裡作證就是說"},{"start":25344.557,"end":25371.183,"text":"我有反應給董事長他真的就自己換上便服然後再巡視看看到底哪裡有問題但是問題是如果董事長跟這個得標的公司怎麼講他們都不聽的話或者我不曉得這家公司有什麼問題他們這麼有辦法可以都標到這麼大的案子好幾億但是做出來的品質卻是給台灣扣分"},{"start":25372.933,"end":25391.552,"text":"誰飆到我都沒有意見但是機場是台灣的門面他們的工作其實已經不是說要管人家而是服務的一環所以這個部分要拜託你們要好好的盯一下到這個教育訓練的部分"},{"start":25398.673,"end":25416.52,"text":"我覺得教育訓練當然一定要加強還有你們可以參考一下這個我覺得農業部他很好他們我們反映之後檢疫的那個部分他們馬上就是如果有問題他們在這個履約上就是看要一定要罰扣一定的金額的價金"},{"start":25417.841,"end":25417.921,"text":"委員會主席"},{"start":25435.083,"end":25438.925,"text":"接下來邀請蔡易瑜委員蔡易瑜委員蔡易瑜委員蔡易瑜委員不在現場接下來邀請黃國昌委員"},{"start":25476.266,"end":25479.771,"text":"謝謝主席：邀請陳部長、任務公室署長"},{"start":25494.243,"end":25503.53,"text":"兩位好先請教一下署長觀光署升格週年我們花了269萬辦了一個觀光之夜飲福龍這場活動你有參加嗎"},{"start":25508.814,"end":25510.735,"text":"我相信溫馨是很溫馨啊花了269萬"},{"start":25526.161,"end":25544.889,"text":"效益如何我們的效益大概都分兩個部分那那個部分我們是跟當地的觀光圈做一些結合實際的費用我還在瞭解我們同時是按照採購法的方式來做處理是啊我沒有質疑你不是用採購法這個絕票金額269萬我已經幫你整理出來了嗎"},{"start":25548.833,"end":25573.007,"text":"那269萬丟下去效益如何還是我們的觀光署很有錢辦活動不用評估效益的委員這個這一點可能誤會了所以我們辦任何的活動其實都還是做效益評估所以我才問你效益如何對效益評估的話我問了第三次我到現在還沒有聽到答案通常我們都是在季節年度的時候再做評估是"},{"start":25574.848,"end":25601.541,"text":"這場我去了什麼時候評估報告會出來我們大概時間上結案大概都有兩個月的時間兩個月的時間我期待看這個結案報告我為什麼這樣講這個是那天的照片因為當你們發邀請函給我的時候我不太喜歡搞那種官樣文章"},{"start":25602.891,"end":25631.144,"text":"去坐在那邊講個話好像很關心我非常不喜歡做這種事情沒有講話啦但我覺得錢花下去要有效果嘛結果你們辦在一個飯店裡辦在一個飯店裡外面真的被這個活動吸引來的人寥寥可數寥寥可數我相信辦活動的人很high啦長官也很high啦但"},{"start":25632.97,"end":25650.65,"text":"我看完了以後我真的不知道這樣子的活動錢是不是有花在包購上是不是符合你們一開始在規劃這個活動的效益我真的看不懂所以我才請教你觀光署是不是預算太多"},{"start":25653.584,"end":25676.505,"text":"本來是一個戶外那因為是颱風之後那個那個我們的所有的這個沙灘那邊還有非常多的漂流木也為了安全所以就移到室內他這時候的選擇也跟委員報告一下他有兩個一個就是停辦一個就是改成室內所以我想說人數的部分確實是沒有當時的預期了"},{"start":25678.666,"end":25705.4,"text":"你看照片就知道了嘛你人也在現場嘛實際的部分我們再統計一下有啦是很嗨啊官員很嗨啊結果去的民眾各位沒多少花了269萬我期待看到你們的成果效益評估啊我算一算啊平均一個人花在一個人身上大概一萬多塊兩萬塊我看完了以後發現我們交通部很有錢啊"},{"start":25706.604,"end":25728.611,"text":"觀光署很有錢錢這樣花的第二個問題再麻煩署長就是回去以後用書面告訴我這個經費編在哪一個預算科目向下這沒問題可以嗎因為我回來了以後我開始檢討這個活動編在哪一個預算科目向下"},{"start":25729.827,"end":25758.82,"text":"我把今年的預算書不是今年要審明年的是去年已經審完今年的預算書我從頭到尾翻我看不到到底編在哪裡那這個資訊對我們來講很重要因為這個預算到底編在哪裡我們這個會期要審預算嘛這個會期既然要審預算那就要負責任的審啊秉持著我們卓榮泰院長所講的公帑不可以隨便浪費啊的精神"},{"start":25759.721,"end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可以喔 好 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