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是不是"},{"start":481.494,"end":493.839,"text":"是我們很感謝縣政府我們中央地方一起協力我們去交流但是不要被統戰這一次五一長假我們來了多少人你有得到勤制嗎你說觀光客是嗎我告訴你二十幾個人一共二十幾個人丟臉了我跟你講金門去了一萬多個人為什麼人家不想來嘛"},{"start":509.4,"end":519.067,"text":"人家來一個團,你告訴我三分之一現在你們怎麼又變成五分之一啊?中共的官員又變成五分之一三分之一,為什麼?"},{"start":520.362,"end":548.821,"text":"先讓他們進來嘛看看裡面的環境嘛當然馬祖很像被你們陸委會卡來卡去移民署怎麼卡我們都沒有卡我們都非常歡迎我們中國大陸的旅客到金門馬祖像金門是人數比較多我們也很想了解也協助了解為什麼你們開放的比金門還要早為什麼平均只有一天六個人我們也覺得很納悶"},{"start":550.492,"end":567.374,"text":"我再問你,陸配,人家辦了三十年了,都沒事,現在要回去查我告訴對面的國台辦宋主任,請他幫個忙他們基層的這一些台辦都已經調走了,換人退休死亡了,去哪裡拿?"},{"start":569.486,"end":596.797,"text":"民主大陸辦這個證那麼好辦嗎辦不出來啊應該沒有問題啦只要跟我們聯繫那我們也會替他聯絡對岸的公安派出所你不要把他當匪諜嘛我們是在幫助他合法取得台灣的身份不要被質疑那麼我們兩岸人流往來身份的這個單一戶籍制是最重要的一個基礎"},{"start":597.757,"end":624.344,"text":"你說外配對你們陸委會都大拇指嘛齁你一轉身就是這樣子我告訴你你一轉身就是這樣子你一來就是這樣子你聽懂我的意思吧我理解我理解但是我們是真心誠意的在協助關懷來協助我們陸配完成他那個法律的要求要人家發自內心的勒我要對你抱著感恩的心勒是不是"},{"start":625.933,"end":646.564,"text":"他現在對你們抱著仇恨的心你知道嗎你知道嗎那天為什麼他們遊行很多人是不敢來很多人不敢來怕被你們照相以後又弄回去了你懂了沒有我的情志告訴你我絕對比你正確我們在搞民意的是不是請你們注意一下好不好"},{"start":654.978,"end":681.432,"text":"還有陸委會的功能你要地方政府不要健康有序的交流你們中央陸委會跟海基會吳董事長當然在兩岸德高望重啦您說和平啊,我看很像不是這樣你說對等啊,怎麼對等法嘛他不會跟你對等的啦永遠不會跟你對等的啦台灣有一天被老美賣掉你都不知道,我告訴你"},{"start":682.267,"end":708.441,"text":"被老美賣掉,你不叫你試試看看啊,台積電沒了你被美國人賣掉你都不知道你要兩個人均衡發展嘛,是不是蔡英文當總統的時候有聲音嗎?沒有聲音啊,我想吳董事長你很清楚嘛是不是,講話要小心嘛誒,烏克蘭死多少人啊你們沒娶老婆的到烏克蘭去老婆一個人可以娶三個,我告訴你是這樣嗎?"},{"start":711.574,"end":721.103,"text":"現在連女生都不准出來了連女人都要去打仗陸委會的功能是什麼請坐陸委會的功能是什麼"},{"start":722.529,"end":749.309,"text":"沒有功能嘛 你在幹嘛不要說 我想我們自力維護兩岸關係和平穩定邱主委你不要跟我講官話啦不是官話 你講官話我也會講啊是不是我們要兩岸健康有序的交流幹什麼我也會講啊 講得很漂亮啊你說中國經濟很差很差很差我剛回來啊他們預防特朗普上去"},{"start":750.543,"end":779.074,"text":"早就在搞擴大內需了我跟你講沒有那麼慘全世界哪一個經濟不是在下滑的只有中國大陸嗎人家說習近平快死了,我看他健康得很走路跟我一樣有點慢了你們不要這樣子搞518行之有年你們不要這樣子搞好不好我們是在協助地方政府也在保護他們不要觸法你已經讓步了,派民主黨去"},{"start":780.236,"end":802.348,"text":"你已經讓步了,我心裡有感受,不是沒感受兩岸健康有序教練沒有做任何的會議記錄沒有幹什麼,你們為什麼這樣刁難但是不要觸法,我們是避免比如說你剛剛說那個福瑪出商會那個就有觸法的嚴重嫌疑那我也觸法了"},{"start":803.482,"end":830.163,"text":"我們監察院也在關注,我們應該協助地方政府可以交流,但是不要觸發我看我們沒有言論自由了,去大陸講話要小心喔搞不好就是匪諜去對面啦,人家中共官員也沒做什麼紀錄也沒幹什麼北京也沒有講說,你跟某某台灣官員見面要寫報告來,沒有啊我們這裡很嚴格"},{"start":833.186,"end":861.096,"text":"請你們注意一下好不好你不要把我當匪諜啦 我也不是匪諜我真的很生氣啊 邱主委我連跟你打電話打了一個多鐘頭我真的很生氣我跟你講我們是很好的朋友欸怎麼搞成這個樣子咧我想我們出發點就是幫忙地方政府好啦 幫忙不要違法吳董事長你回去交代底下查一下齁你派個人在那邊幫我們地方政府嘛怎麼在跟我們搗戰每天咧"},{"start":863.149,"end":880.48,"text":"這怎麼可以這樣子搞啊 是不是我沒有監視他啊他的一舉一動 我們的鄉親都會跟我回報每個村 每個里 每個戶都會向我回報我那裡不是極權統治喔這是民心嘛 是不是好吧 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中國的經濟很差很差很差，我剛回來啊！他們為了預防川普上台，早就在搞擴大內需了，我告訴你，沒有那麼慘！全世界有哪個國家的經濟不下滑，只有中國大陸嗎？人家說習近平快死了，我看他健康得很呢！只是走路與我一樣有點慢。你們不要這樣子搞，518行之有年，你們不要這樣子搞，好不好？"],["邱主任委員垂正：我們是協助地方政府，也是保護他們不要觸法。"],["陳委員雪生：我知道你們已經讓步了，派秘書長去，你已經讓步了，我的心裡有感受，不是沒感受。兩岸健康有序交流，沒有任何的會議記錄、沒有幹什麼，為什麼你們要這樣刁難？"],["邱主任委員垂正：但是不要觸法，我們是避免……"],["陳委員雪生：觸什麼法？"],["邱主任委員垂正：譬如你剛剛說的福馬磋商會就有觸法的嚴重嫌疑。"],["陳委員雪生：聊聊天而已，不然我也觸法了。"],["邱主任委員垂正：我想監察院也在關注，所以我們應該協助地方政府，可以交流，但是不要觸法。"],["陳委員雪生：我看我們沒有言論自由了。"],["邱主任委員垂正：不要這麼說。"],["陳委員雪生：依照你的講法，去大陸講話要小心，搞不好就是匪諜、搞不好就是匪諜！去對面，人家中共的官員也沒做紀錄、也沒做什麼，北京也沒說你與臺灣某某官員見面要寫報告，沒有啊！我們這裡很嚴格耶！請你們注意一下，好不好？你不要把我當匪諜，我也不是匪諜，我真的很生氣啊！邱主委，那天我打電話給你說了一個多鐘頭，真的是很生氣，我們是很好的朋友，怎麼搞成這個樣子呢？"],["邱主任委員垂正：我們的出發點就是幫忙地方政府不要違法。"],["陳委員雪生：吳董事長，你回去交代下屬查一下，你派的人應該是在那裡幫助我們地方政府，怎麼會每天在那邊搗蛋呢？怎麼可以這樣子搞，是不是？我沒有監視他，但是對於他的一舉一動，我們的鄉親都會向我回報。每個村、每個里、每個戶都會向我回報，但我們那邊不是集權統治，這就是民心，是不是？謝謝。"],["邱主任委員垂正：謝謝。"],["陳委員雪生：主席，對不起啊！"],["主席：沒事！希望我們兩岸的關係好一點，大家就不會有這麼多的誤會要在這邊釐清，好不好？謝謝陳雪生委員的質詢。","下一位請蘇清泉委員、蘇清泉委員、蘇清泉委員不在。","下一位請蔡易餘委員、蔡易餘委員、蔡易餘委員不在。","報告委員會，登記發言委員除不在場者外，其餘均已發言完畢，我們詢答到此結束。另有委員高金素梅、丁學忠及牛煦庭所提書面質詢，列入紀錄，刊登公報。書面質詢與未及答復部分，請相關單位於一周內以書面答復，並副知本會。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":252,"meet_id":"委員會-11-3-15-20","speakers":["牛煦庭","蘇巧慧","張智倫","王美惠","李柏毅","張宏陸","黃捷","麥玉珍","許宇甄","吳琪銘","徐欣瑩","陳培瑜","李坤城","邱志偉","陳雪生","高金素梅","丁學忠"],"page_start":191,"meetingDate":["2025-05-21"],"gazette_id":"1145101","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1145101_00007"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第3會期內政委員會第20次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"邀請大陸委員會主任委員及財團法人海峽交流基金會董事長列席報告業務概況，並備質詢","agenda_id":"1145101_00006"}}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}