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天馬行空的奇想讓全國震驚。"},{"start":2231.769,"end":2256.379,"text":"大家都在問為何郭志輝部長會突如其來的拋出菲律賓蓋電廠買綠電的議題。今年6月17日,雲報公司宣布要在菲律賓蓋太陽能光電廠,並在9月24日向經濟部投審司遞件。目前只差部分的文件漏章,補件完成就可以完成被查。"},{"start":2257.659,"end":2271.785,"text":"這種速度跟預判的能力,似乎有神力加持,令人佩服不已。 國人都在問,為什麼綠有有總能超前部署,經濟部是綠有有圖利部嗎?"},{"start":2271.785,"end":2274.286,"text":"為何只有綠能,你我都不能?"},{"start":2275.256,"end":2290.057,"text":"行政程序法第6條寫得清清楚楚。 行政行為非有正當的理由不得為差別待遇。 但我們可以看到,從民進黨執政後,經濟部為綠油油開了各種的方便大門。"},{"start":2291.479,"end":2310.575,"text":"從臺南屏東的光電案,再到桃園的SRF案,都有經濟部圖利特定人的疑慮。 檢調系統,迄今沒有積極的查辦,這對奉公守法的民眾極為的不公平。 難道民進黨政府只為特定人服務,只會圖利自己人嗎?"},{"start":2311.716,"end":2330.516,"text":"郭志偉部長沒有經過通盤的考量就拋出要在菲律賓蓋電廠300公里海纜電力傳送回臺灣的損耗高達33%,高額的成本誰要負擔?一度電的成本是多少?預備賣給民眾多少?還是要由臺電等購?"},{"start":2331.877,"end":2335.438,"text":"巴西海峽蓋海底電纜可能面臨的主權爭議要怎麼解決?"},{"start":2335.438,"end":2335.858,"text":"未來的電價還要漲多少?"},{"start":2335.858,"end":2339.459,"text":"這些問題郭知維部長都沒有談。 10月16日雲報公司的股價一開盤就從216元漲到225元。 郭部長的這種操作不僅讓人懷疑是在圖利特定人。"},{"start":2353.764,"end":2367.572,"text":"臺灣目前沒有足夠的土地可以蓋光電。 民進黨政府又不要核電。 國部長只能著急地宣布在菲律賓蓋光電廠。 這無心之舉正好說明了臺灣的電不夠。 民進黨說不缺電,實際上卻是缺電缺很大。 臺電董事長也證實臺灣北部缺200億度電。"},{"start":2374.876,"end":2384.718,"text":"現在最大的問題是民進黨的意識形態作祟不願調整錯誤的能源政策導致臺電公司在113年編列了1286億購買235億度電114年編列1546億元購買286億度電臺電虧損連連只能調整電價補虧推損全國民眾只能幫民進黨錯誤的政策"},{"start":2406.26,"end":2409.751,"text":"謝謝徐宇貞委員的發言 接下來請登記第4號 洪孟凱委員發言"},{"start":2423.891,"end":2437.759,"text":"主席、行政官員以及各位立院同仁執政不是家家酒我們希望中華民國長治久安就請行政團隊好好的瞭解民意、掌握民意並且貼近民意有人說"},{"start":2439.181,"end":2465.299,"text":"一個好的領導者或是好的執政團隊會有三個層次。 最上層次是能夠謀定而後動,領導國人帶領方向。 中層次是瞭解現在民眾苦民所苦,當看到民眾的需求的時候適時調整政策符合民意。 下層次是真的做了錯誤的決策的時候亡羊補牢猶未完矣。"},{"start":2466.32,"end":2481.291,"text":"但我們看到民進黨政府現在政府跟這三個層次完全沒有關係因為現在民進黨政府不只是沒有這三個層次還背道而馳跟台灣的主流民意對幹上個禮拜也就是這個禮拜"},{"start":2482.853,"end":2496.029,"text":"經濟部、教育部突然間都讓國人完全嘩然。 一下子經濟部長講說要在菲律賓種電。 一下子教育部要求青年扶勤同意書還要家長簽名蓋章。 我們要問"},{"start":2497.403,"end":2526.085,"text":"民進黨政府不要越活越回去2023年去年的2月的時候當時國防部預告說修所謂的全民動員防衛法的時候就已經讓國人擔憂認為說是不是會有所謂青年上戰場的疑慮不到一個月的時間國防部不敢修相關的法令教育部當時扶擒同意書也就悄悄下架沒想到選舉選完了現在教育部又再推出"},{"start":2526.545,"end":2526.565,"text":"三、4、5、6、7、8、9、10、11、12、13、14、15、16、17、18、19、20、21、22、23、24、25、26、27、28、29、30、31、32、33、34、35、36、37、40、40、41、42、43、44、45、46、46、47、49、49、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、"},{"start":2550.802,"end":2554.465,"text":"有拿綠卡的、有生活在其他國家的,都先回來一起保衛台灣這塊土地嗎?"},{"start":2568.675,"end":2592.42,"text":"不要把人的兒子死不了再來菲律賓重電把電賣交在別人的手上用數百公里的電纜或者是運輸船來運輸這樣子真的符合我們的經濟效益真的符合我們的國家安全嗎不要再說你是誤闖政治叢林的小白兔根本就是一個政治小白所以"},{"start":2593.3,"end":2614.117,"text":"我們拜託我們的官員們,好好瞭解現在的民意,主流的民意,掌握方向,執政不是家家酒,已經快上任半年了,不要再搞這種兒戲的把戲了,謝謝。謝謝洪峰凱委員的發言,接下來請登記第5號陳金威委的發言。"},{"start":2625.151,"end":2646.749,"text":"主席、各位官員、還有委員同事、媒體朋友,大家早安。我們光輝的10月同時也是粉紅乳癌防治月,所以今天讓我們藉由這個機會關心我們全國的婦女同胞。乳癌是台灣女性發生率第一名、死亡率第二名的癌症,每年有1萬多診斷的案例,"},{"start":2648.53,"end":2664.672,"text":"平均每天全台有31位被告知診斷出乳癌,也就代表有31個不知所措接到2號的家庭,並且有7.7位女性每天因為乳癌而過世。"},{"start":2665.914,"end":2693.103,"text":"而乳癌其中有一種三陰性﹐更是癌友們避之唯恐不及的大魔王﹐佔我們所有乳癌的比例12到15%﹐好發在年輕的女性﹐同時還有高復發率﹐高轉移率﹐高死亡率這樣的特性﹐它可以存活的關鍵在於是否發生轉移﹐一旦轉移到重要的器官﹐就會使存活率大大的降低﹐"},{"start":2693.903,"end":2718.048,"text":"前幾天我出席一場乳癌防治的活動﹖就遇到年僅29歲的年輕女生﹖過去漸漸從來沒有看到過紅字﹖也沒有家庭病史的健康寶寶﹖卻在某一天摸到左側乳房有硬塊﹖後續接受各種檢查才發現已經罹患了早期高風險的三陰性乳癌﹖"},{"start":2718.968,"end":2737.963,"text":"然而對於這名女孩知道罹患乳癌並非最痛苦的事而是整個治療過程和巨額的費用首先呢她必須扛起數百萬的自費新一代藥物兩年的治療期間醫療手術費用就超過500萬元"},{"start":2739.784,"end":2754.546,"text":"如果他沒有持續的暴病在科技業工作,加上家人幫忙,還有商業的保險支援,換做一般人根本難以負擔,直接的醫療支出以及間接的經濟損失都非常大。"},{"start":2755.987,"end":2779.853,"text":"雖說三陰性乳癌並非無藥可治﹐但比起我們現在健保給付的其他乳癌﹐比如早期荷爾蒙陽性﹐還有HER2陽性﹐都有多種藥物納入健保﹐唯有三陰性乳癌只給付了化療藥﹐但現在國際的指引﹐建議還必須加上免疫治療﹐且數前數後的輔助治療等等來降低復發﹐"},{"start":2780.953,"end":2807.378,"text":"很遺憾三陰性雖然佔比12到15%可是它就像乳癌個案的孤兒一樣至今最適宜的療法都尚未納入我們的健保給付所以在這裡本席呼籲政府加速彌補這樣子的缺口把完整的化療並用免疫療法納入我們不要去漏接任何一位的乳癌病友希望落實健康平權一起翻轉謝謝"},{"start":2812.571,"end":2818.829,"text":"謝謝陳金威委員的發言。 報告委員會,現在登記國是論壇發言的委員均已發言完畢。 我們現在休息。"},{"start":5408.917,"end":5416.539,"text":"現在我們開會,因程序委員會以本次議事日程草案送院會處理,現有黨團依本院議事成立,對本次議事日程草案提出異議。"},{"start":5431.085,"end":5440.39,"text":"現在我們進行處理並截止收案我們先進行報告事項等提議部分請議事人員宣讀黨團之提議內容"},{"start":5441.434,"end":5469.779,"text":"本院民進黨黨團﹐針對立法院第11屆第2會期第5次會議（事由．報告事項﹐擬請增列行政院含情審議﹐114年度中央政府總預算案﹐含附屬單位預算及總計表營業及非營業部分﹐及中央政府前瞻基礎建設計畫第5期特別預算案案﹐其餘照一事成草案所列報告事項﹐質詢事項﹐對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢﹐是否有當進行公決。"},{"start":5471.099,"end":5477.742,"text":"本院臺灣民眾黨黨團﹐針對第11屆第2會期第5次會議﹐議程報告事項﹐諮詢事項﹐對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢﹐提應僅限列原編擬議程草案及增列報告事項﹐"},{"start":5487.325,"end":5513.59,"text":"﹚下表所列15案﹚如下列表﹚是否有道進行公決。本任中國國民黨立法院黨團﹚針對第11屆第2會期第5次會議﹚一、事由﹚報告事項﹚及質詢事項﹚對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢﹚僅限列原編理一傳草案﹚及三列報告事項﹚如下表共15案﹚是否有道進行公決。宣讀完畢"},{"start":5516.221,"end":5527.207,"text":"區議院會﹚對民進黨黨團提議通過﹚有無異議?偵獵總預算有無異議?沒有異議?偵獵總預算有無異議?有異議?"},{"start":5544.837,"end":5550.745,"text":"有異議我們就進行表決。 我們現在按鈴7分鐘並分發表決卡。"},{"start":6002.864,"end":6028.18,"text":"好謝謝謝謝各位委員敬請回座請問都有沒有拿到表決卡沒有簽到的請趕快簽到報言會跟議會報告一個好消息今天是兩位立法委員的生日我們洪森漢委員跟黃珊珊委員今天過生日我們幫她掌聲呼和生日快樂好"},{"start":6031.365,"end":6038.13,"text":"現在針對民進黨黨團提議現有民進黨黨團臺灣民眾黨黨團要求記名表決我們記名表決時間一分鐘我們現在開始"},{"start":6131.61,"end":6132.011,"text":"主席"},{"start":6484.883,"end":6486.886,"text":"謝謝!各位現在請回座好嗎?謝謝!"},{"start":6506.715,"end":6515.707,"text":"各位委員同仁麻煩請就座,我們宣讀表決結果好嗎?麻煩各黨團幹部約束一下,各黨團成員請就座"},{"start":6516.96,"end":6524.484,"text":"非常感謝各位委員謝謝現在宣讀表決結果出席委員107位贊成49位反對58位民進黨黨團提議不通過現有民進黨團提議重複表決我們現在進行重複表決對民進黨黨團提議贊成請按贊成反對請按反對時間1分鐘現在開始"},{"start":6613.991,"end":6624.898,"text":"報言會在報告重複表決結果出席107位贊成49位反對58位民黨黨團提議不通過報言會現在我們進行處理臺灣民眾黨黨團僅限列之提議因國民黨團之提議與臺灣民眾黨黨團提議相同我們就一併處理請問院會對臺灣民眾黨黨團國民黨黨團提議通過有無異議"},{"start":6644.457,"end":6657.12,"text":"沒有異議我們本提議照案通過。 報告委員會本次會議事日程包括事項、質詢事項﹖對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢。 照台灣民眾黨團、國民黨黨團提議通過。 報告委員會我們現在繼續處理討論事項部分。 現在處理台灣民眾黨團增列討論事項提供議案。 請議事人員宣讀提議內容。"},{"start":6669.417,"end":6689.005,"text":"本院臺灣民眾黨黨團針對第11屆第2會期第5次會議．事由．草案提議增列討論事項二案如下列表,列為討論事項第一及第二案,並於對行政院院長施政報告繼續執行前進行處理,是否有當進行公決?請問院會對臺灣民眾黨黨團這提議有無異議?沒有異議。我們本提議照案通過。"},{"start":6697.762,"end":6724.173,"text":"委員會現在處理國民黨團陣列討論事項提供一案。請議事人員宣讀提議內容。本院中國國民黨黨團陣列第11屆第2會期第5次會議一事成草案,提議陣列討論事項三案如下列表,順序授權議事處排列,並於對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢前進行處理,是否有當進行公決,宣讀完畢。委員會對國民黨團提有無異議,"},{"start":6727.847,"end":6750.352,"text":"沒有異議,我們本提議照案通過。本次會議議事日程討論事項,照臺灣民眾黨團、國民黨黨團提議通過順序,我們授權依序排列。本次會議議事日程確定。 辦議會現在進行報告事項,請民事長宣讀第二會期第4次會議議事錄。宣讀立完。"},{"start":6754.031,"end":6765.62,"text":"宣讀立法院第11屆第2會期第4次會議．事由．時間綜合名為113年10月11日上午9時至9時14分、10時至11時45分、下午2時30分至5時39分．10月15日上午9時至11時50分、下午2時30分至4時25分．地點本院議場出席委員、陳委員招職等112人、請假委員、陳委員學生"},{"start":6781.638,"end":6793.967,"text":"列席官員、行政院院長卓榮泰等15人、主席院長韓國瑜、副院長江啟臣。 報告事項,第一案宣讀本院第11屆第2會期第3次會議事錄,決定確定第二次162至190案。"},{"start":6803.072,"end":6827.801,"text":"均決定交互相關委員會審查處理或交互相關委員會。 第161案決定退回程序委員會重新提出。 第191案決定改交內政委員會審查。 第192、193案為財政委員會所提示報告案執行事項夾。 行政院答覆部分一件,以委員執行部分三件,對行政院長施政報告繼續質詢。 決定下次會議進行交通組織質詢。"},{"start":6832.832,"end":6861.861,"text":"討論事項．案決議．定期處理．宣讀完畢。 報議會針對第二會期第4次會議．事錄並無委員或黨團提出錯誤或遺漏之處,我們做以下之決定。 第二會期第4次會議．事錄確定。 報議會現在處理針列部分,請宣讀第一案。 第一案本院委員徐曉新等17人理據學生輔導法部分條文修正常請審議案。 依視處理件,您請回交教育及文化委員會審查。 宣讀完畢。"},{"start":6862.66,"end":6881.25,"text":"貿易會針對第一案現有國民黨團提議淨附二讀與相關提案併案協商請問院會有異議有異議沒有異議我們通過我們現在請本案淨附二讀與相關提案併案協商現在我們進入第二案"},{"start":6882.15,"end":6891.463,"text":"第2案,本院委員徐曉新的17年離聚,消防法部分條維修正常,請審議案。 議事處意見,理情委員會將內政委員會審查,宣讀完畢。"},{"start":6894.83,"end":6914.17,"text":"第三案,本院委員高清素梅等17人累據原住民族基本法第18條條維修慎草案請審議案,依稀處理件,立請委員會將內政委員會審查,宣傳必。報告委員會針對針對報告事項第三案,現有民進黨黨團體退回程序委員會重新提出,請委員會有異議。"},{"start":6917.438,"end":6929.003,"text":"有異．反對本案進行表決現在針對民進黨黨團提針對事項第三案退回程序委員會我們進行表決表決時間一分鐘現在開始"},{"start":7026.563,"end":7032.692,"text":"謝謝各位委員 現在宣讀一下表決結果"},{"start":7036.658,"end":7044.063,"text":"出席委員106位、贊成49位、反對57位、抱怨會贊成者少數。抱怨會現在由民進黨黨團提議重複表決。我們現在進行重複表決時間一分鐘。現在開始。"},{"start":7139.76,"end":7139.921,"text":"報告表決結果"},{"start":7172.514,"end":7199.325,"text":"報言會報告重複表決結果麻煩院會麻煩院會請肅靜好嗎?謝謝麻煩院會請保持肅靜重複表決結果出席106位贊成49位反對57位贊成則少數不通過本案遭遇事處說明準一屆通過我們現在下一案第4案"},{"start":7199.707,"end":7227.482,"text":"第4案（本院委員（黃孟凱的21人理據道路交通管理處罰條例第12條條文修正草案請審議案（依次處理件依請委員會交交通委員會審查宣讀完畢。 宣讀完畢第5案（本院委員（王振旭的24人理據醫療法增令第71條之一條文草案請審議案（依次處理件依請委員會交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查宣讀完畢。 全員會有異無異通過下案"},{"start":7227.93,"end":7255.863,"text":"第6案本院委員王振旭等24人理據取民健康保險法第43條條文修正常情緒一案,依次促進理情和社會福利及衛生環境維護審查,宣讀完畢。 無異通過下議案第7案本院委員陳瑩等17人理據國家中醫藥研究院設置條例草案情緒一案,依次促進理情和社會福利及衛生環境維護審查,宣讀完畢。 無異通過下議案第8案"},{"start":7257.233,"end":7285.572,"text":"本院委員吳麗華、德學仁理據、國家語言研究發展新設施條例草案侵水疑案。 依釋處意見你請院會交付司法及法治、教育及文化、聯委會審查。 宣讀完畢無以通過下一案!沒有!你去看!你去看我的公案!你故意的!本院委員吳麗華、德學仁理據、國家語言研究發展新設施條例草案侵水疑案。依釋處意見你請院會交付司法及法治、教育及文化、聯委會審查。 宣讀完畢"},{"start":7287.799,"end":7290.38,"text":"無異通過下議案。無異通過下議案。無異通過下議案。"},{"start":7313.991,"end":7314.492,"text":"無異通過下議案"},{"start":7328.171,"end":7355.467,"text":"第13案 本月委員黃捷等18日臨據《性別平等工作法》第15條條維修慎草案請審議案。 議事處意見,例行會交由社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查。 宣讀完畢。無異通過下一案 第14案 本月台灣民眾黨黨團臨據《氣候變遷因應法》第二條及第五條條維修慎草案請審議案。 議事處意見,例行會交由社會福利及衛生環境經濟財政內政交通教育及文化立委委員會審查。 宣讀完畢。"},{"start":7357.288,"end":7368.994,"text":"第15案 本院臺灣民眾黨的團理局﹐證券交易稅條例部分條文修正草案請稅一案﹐一事處一件,臨時委員會交財政委員會審查﹐宣讀完畢。報告院會﹐我們本次會議報告事項記載於議事錄順序,授權議事處調整﹐現在我們繼續處理原列報告事項﹐請宣讀第二案。"},{"start":7381.055,"end":7386.964,"text":"第1、2案本院委員王宏威等23人聯聚明方法第2條集體21條條維修證草案請審議案。 議事處意見明請回交內政委員會審查。 宣讀完畢。"},{"start":7392.099,"end":7416.873,"text":"無異通過下議案。 第三案,本院委員王宏偉等16人鄰居所得稅法第14條至8條維修證草案請審議案,依釋出意見您請回交財政委員會審查,宣讀外閉。 無異通過下議案。 第四案,本院委員王宏偉等17人鄰居勞工保險條例第74條至2條維修證草案請審議案,依釋出意見您請回交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查,宣讀外閉。 無異通過下議案。"},{"start":7417.313,"end":7428.336,"text":"第5案 本院委員王宏威的25人聯聚 全民健康保險法第10條及第12條條文修憲草案請選一案 議事處意見 引請會長 社會福利 優先環境委員會審查 宣布完畢"},{"start":7429.011,"end":7455.596,"text":"無異通過下議案。 第6案本院院翁曉琳等17屆連續《中華民國刑法》第185條至3條文修憲草案請水一案。 一系處意見,臨時會交司法及法定委員會審查。 宣討完畢。 無異通過下議案。 第7案本院院翁曉琳等16屆連續《考試院組織法》第7條、第10條及第11條條文修憲草案請水一案。 一系處意見,臨時會交司法及法定委員會審查。 宣討完畢。 無異通過下議案。"},{"start":7456.016,"end":7473.165,"text":"第八案 本月由翁曉琳等17人聯聚老人福利法第25條條維修現場勤稅案,依次促進,另請會長、社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查。 宣傳完畢報告事項第八項,現有國民黨團體禁服二讀與相關提案,並按協商。 請問會議有異議?"},{"start":7473.165,"end":7473.245,"text":"異議通過,下一案"},{"start":7476.226,"end":7500.692,"text":"﹗第9案本院委員羅志強的23人領據公職人員選舉報名法增定第24條之一條文草案情水疑案,依次促見理事會將內政委員會審查,宣布完畢。﹗第10案本院委員羅志強的29人領據《中華民國刑法》增定第37章章明及第364條條文草案情水疑案,依次促見理事會將司法及法治委員會審查,宣布完畢。﹗"},{"start":7502.392,"end":7508.578,"text":"第11案,委員委員王玉敏等17年連續《國土計畫法》第45條條維修現場請選一案,依次促進議情會教內政委會審查。 宣傳完畢。"},{"start":7514.312,"end":7536.833,"text":"第12案本院委員李昆城的20人領據地方資助法第78條條文修憲草案情水移案,依次促進,依次會交內政司法及法制聯務委員會審查,宣讀完畢。 無異通過下一案第13案本院委員李昆城的20人領據動物保護法部分條文修憲草案情水移案,依次促進,依次會交經濟委員會審查,宣讀完畢。 無異通過下一案"},{"start":7537.133,"end":7560.13,"text":"第14案 本月委員李昆城的23人離聚,保險房增訂第174條主要及第174條之三條文草原侵稅案,一事出現,理情會交財政委員會審查,宣傳完畢。 無異通過下一案第15案 本月委員李昆城的23人離聚,娛樂稅房部分條文修正草原侵稅案,一事出現,理情會交財政委員會審查,宣傳完畢。 無異通過下一案"},{"start":7560.43,"end":7580.03,"text":"第16案,委員委員李昏神的22人邻居,預算法第46條條維修證草案競選一案,依次促進,立行會將財政委員會審查,宣讀完畢。 無異通過下議案第17案,委員委員李昏神的22人邻居,證券交易稅條例第二條之二條維修證草案競選一案,依次促進,立行會將財政委員會審查,宣讀完畢。"},{"start":7581.832,"end":7584.234,"text":"御議通過下議案御議通過下議案御議通過下議案"},{"start":7608.595,"end":7628.882,"text":"第20案本院委員李渙辰等22人離聚立法院職權刑事法第16條條文修正草案情緒議案,依次促進,依情會交司法及法律委員會審查,宣布完畢。第21案本院委員陳慶輝等16人離聚反其事法草案情緒議案,依次促進,依情會交內政委員會審查,宣布完畢。"},{"start":7629.622,"end":7656.124,"text":"無異通過下議案。 第22案本院委員陳慶輝等16人理據保護所有醫系工人及其家庭成員權利,國際公約是刑罰草案侵水一案。﹐一時初一屆立行會交外交及國防、社會福利及衛生環境的兩位委員會審查。 宣讀完畢。 無異通過下議案。 第23案本院委員陳慶輝等16人理據國民營體域法第25條條務修正草案侵水一案。﹐一時初一屆立行會交外交及文化委員會審查。 宣讀完畢。"},{"start":7656.755,"end":7659.577,"text":"無疑通過下一案。 無疑通過下一案。 無疑通過下一案。"},{"start":7681.676,"end":7702.345,"text":"第26案本院委員李楚英等20人理據臺灣地區與大陸地區人民關係條例第90條條文修正草案請審議案。 一時出現立行會交內政委員會審查。 宣讀完畢。 二十七案本院委員陳玉珍等17人理據領導基本法草案請審議案。 一時出現立行會交經濟內政財政三委員會審查。 宣讀完畢。"},{"start":7705.473,"end":7725.983,"text":"報告事項第27案 現由民進黨黨團提議退回程序委員會 重新提出 請問院會有異議有異議我們進行表決 贊成民進黨黨團提議退回程序委員會 請按贊成 反對 請按反對 時間一分鐘 現在開始"},{"start":7853.527,"end":7870.661,"text":"謝謝謝謝謝謝現在向院會報告表決結果我們出席106位贊成48位反對57位贊成者少數報告院會現有民進黨黨團體重複表決我們現在進行重複表決記名表決時間一分鐘現在開始"},{"start":7948.054,"end":7948.414,"text":"現在下一案"},{"start":7971.573,"end":7978.597,"text":"第二十八案本院委員陳慧琳等21個鄰居﹐文化資產保存法在第11條至1條文章請審議案。 議事處理屆臨時會教教育及娃娃園會審查。 宣讀完畢。"},{"start":7986.124,"end":8007.317,"text":"第二十九二本院委員陳冠霖的二十一年年居﹐文化藝術講座及促進條例第15條條文修正常請審議案。 依次促進立行會教教育界文化財政聯盟會審查。 宣讀完畢第二十二本院委員鍾嘉斌的二十一年年居﹐娛樂稅法部分條文修正常請審議案。 依次促進立行會教財政聯盟會審查。 宣讀完畢"},{"start":8009.798,"end":8030.67,"text":"第31案本月委員徐富奎等18日離聚國家公園法部分條維修政策案請審議案,依次促進,依次委員會交內政委員會審查。 宣讀完畢無異通過下議案第32案本月委員徐富奎等17日離聚消防法部分條維修政策案請審議案,依次促進,依次委員會交內政委員會審查。 宣讀完畢無異通過下議案"},{"start":8031.01,"end":8054.262,"text":"﹐第33案﹐本院委員徐富奎等17人聯聚﹐學校衛生法第21條條維修憲草原精髓案﹐一時初見李景輝教育及文化委員會審查﹐宣告完畢﹐無意通過下議案﹐第34案﹐本院委員徐富奎等17人聯聚﹐特殊教育法第30條條維修憲草原精髓案﹐一時初見李景輝教育及文化委員會審查﹐宣告完畢﹐無意通過下議案"},{"start":8054.542,"end":8068.056,"text":"第三十五案 本院委員徐富回等17年年居國營臺灣鐵路股份有限公司設置條例第10條及第23條條文修正草原清水一案,依次促進理情會交交通司法及法制聯務委員會審查。 宣讀完畢"},{"start":8069.827,"end":8093.415,"text":"第36案本院委員徐志傑等23人鄰居立法院公費助理任用法草案請水一案。 依次促見議員會交司法及法證委員會審查。 宣讀完畢。 無異通過下議案第37案本院委員邱志偉等16人鄰居國家安全法第三條條文修正草案請水一案。 依次促見議員會交內政委員會審查。 宣讀完畢。 無異通過下議案"},{"start":8093.775,"end":8116.483,"text":"﹐第38案﹐本院委員邱志偉等16人聯聚﹐反滲透法第8條條文修正策案請審議案﹐依次促進依請回交內政司法及法治聯委員會審查﹐宣讀完畢﹐無異通過下議案﹐第39案﹐本院委員邱志偉等16人聯聚﹐並議法第17條條文修正策案請審議案﹐依次促進依請回交外交及國防委員會審查﹐宣讀完畢﹐無異通過下議案"},{"start":8116.903,"end":8123.145,"text":"第41案 國民體育法第38條及第43條條務修正草案請審議案。 議事處議院立行會教教育及文化委員會審查。 宣告完畢"},{"start":8140.569,"end":8165.158,"text":"第42案本院委員邱志文等20人已廢止交通部臺灣區國道高速公路局組織條例請審議案。﹐一時初見您請回交司法及法制交通領域委員會審查。 宣讀完畢。 無異通過下議案第43案本院委員邱志文等16人連聚就業保險法部分條文修正草案請審議案。﹐一時初見您請回交社會福利機構上環境委員會審查。 宣讀完畢。 無異通過下議案"},{"start":8165.498,"end":8190.052,"text":"第44案 本院委員陳秀寶等21人離聚,性別平等工作法第15條條文修正草原情緒一案,一事促進,理情匯交,社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查。 宣布完畢。 無異通過下議案第45案 本院委員陳秀寶等21人離聚,勞工保險條例部分條文修正草原情緒一案,一事促進,理情匯交,社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查。 宣布完畢。 無異通過下議案"},{"start":8190.532,"end":8211.81,"text":"第46案本院委員陳秀寶的21宅連聚今年基本法草案請審議案。 議事處意見您請回交交予及文化委員會審查。 宣告完畢無異通過下議案第47案本院委員陳秀寶的21宅連聚教育事法部份談文修正常案請審議案。 議事處意見您請回交交予及文化委員會審查。 宣告完畢無異通過下議案"},{"start":8212.21,"end":8234.032,"text":"第48案本院委員陳秀寶等21人領據《中華民國新法》第77條條文修正常請選一案。 依次促進立行會將司法及法律委員會審查。 宣告完畢。第49案本院委員羅廷偉等17人領據《國土計畫法》第45條條文修正常請選一案。 依次促進立行會將內政委員會審查。 宣告完畢。 依次促進立行會將內政委員會審查。 宣告完畢。"},{"start":8235.353,"end":8257.019,"text":"第52 本院委員羅廷偉等17人凝聚。 教育經費編列與管理法第3條條文修正常請水恩。 議事處理屆年齡會教育及文化委員會審查。 宣讀完畢。第51 本院委員羅廷偉等16人凝聚。 學校衛生法第6條條文修正常請水恩。 議事處理屆年齡會教育及文化委員會審查。 宣讀完畢。"},{"start":8258.519,"end":8283.559,"text":"第52案本院委員羅廷偉等16屆領據《毒品危害方式條例》第11條至1條無修憲草案請審議案。 一事出現您請獲交司法及法治委員會審查。 宣讀完畢。 無異通過下議案。 第53案本院委員羅廷偉等17屆領據《職業災害勞工保護法》第14條條無修憲草案請審議案。 一事出現您請獲交社會福利及優先環境委員會審查。 宣讀完畢。 無異通過下議案。"},{"start":8283.979,"end":8308.296,"text":"第54案 本院委員羅廷偉等16年年居 人體器官移植條例第一條之一條文修憲草案請審議案。 依次促進議請會將社會福利及衛生環境文化審查。 宣言完畢無異通過下議案第55案 本院委員羅廷偉等19年年居 雅庭技術司法第三條條文修憲草案請審議案。 依次促進議請會將社會福利及衛生環境文化審查。 宣言完畢無異通過下議案"},{"start":8308.596,"end":8329.34,"text":"第56案 本院委員羅廷偉等16人聯聚緊急醫療救護法第二條條維修政策維新水域案 議事初見 移情匯交 社會福利 優勝環境委員會審查 宣讀完畢第57案 本院委員羅廷偉等16人聯聚優生保健法第二條條維修政策維新水域案 議事初見 移情匯交 社會福利 優勝環境委員會審查 宣讀完畢"},{"start":8332.341,"end":8356.645,"text":"第五十方案本院委員羅廷偉等16人聆聚安寧緩和醫療條例第2條條文修正草原情緒疑案,依次促進理情委會交由社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查,宣告完畢。 第五十九案本院委員徐宇珍等17人聆聚當中交通管理處罰條例第12條及第12條之一條文修正草原情緒疑案,依次促進理情委會交交交通委員會審查,宣告完畢。"},{"start":8357.205,"end":8358.906,"text":"無異通過下議案。 無異通過下議案。無異通過下議案。"},{"start":8382.364,"end":8405.658,"text":"第62案 北約委員審柏羊等19人凝聚,反制度法增定第6條之一條文草案請審議案。 依次促進,依行會將內政司法及法制兩委員會審查。 宣告完畢。 無異通過下議案第63案 北約委員審柏羊等18人凝聚,中華民國刑犯部份條文促進草案請審議案。 依次促進,依行會將司法及法制兩委員會審查。 宣告完畢。 無異通過下議案"},{"start":8406.318,"end":8429.604,"text":"第64案 本院委員參與於等16人聯聚﹐正確交易稅條例第2條之二及第12條條文修正草案請審議案。﹐一時初見你請回交財政委員會審查。﹐宣言完畢。﹐無異通過下議案。﹐第65案 本院委員參與於等18人聯聚﹐不應移植保存條例草案請審議案。﹐一時初見你請回交教育及文化委員會審查。﹐宣言完畢。﹐無異通過下議案"},{"start":8429.904,"end":8444.836,"text":"第66案 本院委員參與於等23個領據學生輔導法部份條文修正常勤審議案,依次促進,引起會教教育級王晃委員會審查。 宣言完畢報告院會報告事項第66案,現有民進黨黨團提議計負二讀與相關提案並案協商,請問院會有無異議?"},{"start":8450.714,"end":8453.258,"text":"無異議通過下一案。 無異議通過下一案。"},{"start":8465.236,"end":8481.573,"text":"第68案本院委員承認等16人聆聚原住民族戒留地方草案請選一案。 議事處意見您請回交內政委員會審查。 宣讀完畢無異通過下一案第69案本院委員承認等18人聆聚離島簽證條例第13條條文修正草案請選一案。 議事處意見您請回交經濟委員會審查。 宣讀完畢無異通過下一案"},{"start":8487.139,"end":8510.26,"text":"第七十一案 本院委員陳穎等17人理據《國民抵禦法》第38條條無修任草案請水一案。 一事促進,你請回交教育局王化緣會審查。 宣言完畢。 五議通過下議案第七十一案 本院委員陳穎等17人理據《社會福利基本法》第4條條無修任草案請水一案。 一事促進,你請回交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查。 宣言完畢。 五議通過下議案"},{"start":8510.62,"end":8527.151,"text":"第72案本院委員陳怡等18日臨時老人福利法第二條條無修正草案請選一案。一時初見臨時會交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查。 訓斷完畢。 無異通過下議案第73案本院委員林思明等19日臨時對於發准法草案請選一案。 一時初見臨時會交內政委員會審查。 訓斷完畢。 無異通過下議案"},{"start":8531.914,"end":8556.192,"text":"第74案本院委員零四名的23人凝聚,道路交通管理處罰條例增提第92條之二條文草案情實一案,依次處理解釋請回交交通委員會審查。 宣讀完畢。第75案本院委員岚若龍短時間凝聚,威權統治實行互相不法行為,被害者權利回復條例部分條文修正草案情實一案,依次處理解釋請回交內政委員會審查。 宣讀完畢。"},{"start":8557.012,"end":8558.553,"text":"衛通過下議案衛通過下議案衛通過下議案"},{"start":8581.485,"end":8606.673,"text":"﹗第78案﹗本院委員賴岳龍的17年年居保險法則列第174條之二及第174條之三條文草案及水銀案,依次促進離境匯交財政委員會審查,宣言完畢。 無異通過下一案﹗第79案﹗本院委員賴岳龍的16年年居國營港務股份有限公司順勢條例部分條文修正草案及水銀案,依次促進離境匯交交通司法啟發制聯務委員會審查,宣言完畢。"},{"start":8607.273,"end":8608.794,"text":"無異通過下議案無異通過下議案無異通過下議案"},{"start":8631.809,"end":8655.167,"text":"第82案本院委員吳佩儀等22人凝聚,都市更新條例第65條條文修正草原侵水案,一時初見,您請回交內政委員會審查。 宣讀完畢。第83案本院委員吳佩儀等24人凝聚,未全同這時期國家不法行為,被案者全力回復條例部分條文修正草原侵水案,一時初見,您請回交內政委員會審查。 宣讀完畢。"},{"start":8656.488,"end":8675.805,"text":"﹐第84案﹐本月委員吳佩儀等24人領據《輿論稅法》部分條文修正草案清水案﹐依次促進離境匯交財政委員會審查﹐宣讀完畢。﹐第85案﹐本月委員吳佩儀等24人領據《青年基本法》草案清水案﹐依次促進離境匯交交易及文化委員會審查﹐宣讀完畢。"},{"start":8677.528,"end":8683.641,"text":"第86案本院委員吳佩儀等24人聯聚為議議址保存條例草案請審議案。 議事初見禮慶會將將會計劃畫圓會審查宣讀完畢。"},{"start":8687.694,"end":8690.896,"text":"五、一通過下一案。 五、一通過下一案。五、一通過下一案。"},{"start":8710.911,"end":8728.907,"text":"第89案．法院行政法院組織法部分條文修正草案案．次初見臨時會交司法企法支援會審查。 宣讀完畢第90案．法院行政法院組織法部分條文修正草案案．次初見臨時會交司法企法支援會審查宣讀完畢"},{"start":8730.268,"end":8742.159,"text":"第91案．經濟部函宋設立雅萬埃西研發中心進度113年7月專案報告﹐一時初見臨時會交經濟委員會處理﹐宣讀完畢。 無疑通過下一案﹐第92案．大陸委員會函宋臺灣與澳門避免航空企業雙重課稅協議113年第二屆即雙門延傳上報告﹐一時初見臨時會交內政委員會處理﹐宣讀完畢。 無疑通過下一案﹐"},{"start":8755.652,"end":8780.442,"text":"﹗第93內政部喊為修正陽明山國家公園區域內競爭事章第5點及第11點規定﹗一時初見你請回交內政委員會﹗ 宣讀完畢。﹗第94案﹗內政部喊為綠建築標章規費收費標準明稱修正為﹗綠建築標章及建築南校標識規費收費標準並修正第二大條文﹗一時初見你請回交內政委員會﹗宣讀完畢。﹗"},{"start":8782.023,"end":8782.684,"text":"無異通過下議案"},{"start":8803.607,"end":8804.248,"text":"﹗第96案﹗第97案﹗無異通過下議案﹗"},{"start":8829.167,"end":8829.828,"text":"無異議通過下一案無異議通過下一案"},{"start":8850.842,"end":8869.929,"text":"第102,農業部函送公告,自中華民國113年6月25日起至7月1日至金門地區除公告事項二之加工產品為注針與其土地內臟、純線及加工產品,禁止出往臺灣本土及其他地域等。 一致出現,你請回交經濟委員會。 宣告完畢第101案,農業部函送聯誼部"},{"start":8873.911,"end":8874.972,"text":"無異通過下議案無異通過下議案無異通過下議案"},{"start":8903.266,"end":8914.272,"text":"第104案 農業牧海維修正休閒農業輔導管理辦法部分條文一致促進理情會交經濟委員會 宣讀完畢 第105案 農業牧海維修正農業牧補助及獎勵農業保險 保險人辦法第4條第5條及第6條條文一致促進理情會交經濟委員會 宣讀完畢"},{"start":8924.457,"end":8946.114,"text":"第106案 農業部橫送農業部農田水利署 石門管理處農田水利事業區域內灌溉制度﹐一致促進理事會交經濟委員會﹐宣讀完畢。 無異通過下議案第107案 農業部橫送農業部農田水利署 南東管理處農田水利事業區域內灌溉制度﹐一致促進理事會交經濟委員會﹐宣讀完畢。 無異通過下議案"},{"start":8946.514,"end":8968.89,"text":"第108案 農業部橫送農業部農田水利署 雲林管理處 農田水利事業區域內灌溉制度 依次促進疫情維繳經濟委員會 宣讀完畢。 無異通過下議案第109案 農業部海域促進公告澳大利亞首都特區 自高病原性家庭流行性感冒肺炎去刪除 依次促進疫情維繳經濟委員會 宣讀完畢。 無異通過下議案"},{"start":8969.23,"end":8970.03,"text":"無異通過下議案"},{"start":8988.255,"end":9013.033,"text":"第11一案 財政部行為機動調整牛肉、烘焙藥、奶粉、奶油、汙水奶油及小麥等二重省貨品關稅稅率實施期限自113年7月1日起至同年9月30日至。 一期初見禮群會教財政委員會。 宣讀完畢。第11二案 財政部行為修正執行業務所的潮流辦法部分調文。 一期初見禮群會教財政委員會。 宣讀完畢。"},{"start":9013.533,"end":9016.275,"text":"無異通過下議案無異通過下議案無異通過下議案"},{"start":9037.85,"end":9040.511,"text":"無異通過下議案無異通過下議案無異通過下議案"},{"start":9062.637,"end":9087.84,"text":"第11期案（法務部行為本月修正電子簽章法通過附帶權益﹐檢速司法程序使用電子簽章之可行性評估報告﹐依稀處理監理請回交交通委員會﹐宣讀外閉。 無異通過下議案。 第11頒案（審計部來回修正審計部桃園市審計處辦事細則第9條及第11條條文﹐依稀處理監理請回交司法及法制財政兩委員會﹐宣讀外閉。 無異通過下議案。"},{"start":9088.2,"end":9103.681,"text":"第1192 衛生部領文函送應完成產品登錄之化妝品種類及廢紙應完成產品登錄之化妝品種類及施行日期並自113年7月1日生效。依次處理件禮請會交社會福利協會上環境委員會。 宣布完畢"},{"start":9105.083,"end":9123.02,"text":"第1202 衛生福利部函送應建立產品資訊檔案之化妝品種類及實施日期﹐及廢止應建立產品資訊檔案之化妝品種類及實行日期﹐並自113年7月1日生效。 依次處理件請回交社會福利局向環境委員會。 宣讀完畢。"},{"start":9124.682,"end":9141.217,"text":"第1、2、1、2衛生福利部海外修正、全民健康保險、醫療服務及副項目及支付標準部分宅療項目﹐並自113年7月1日申請。 衛生福利部海外修正、全民健康保險、醫療服務及副項目及支付標準部分宅療項目﹐並自113年7月1日申請。 衛生福利部海外修正、全民健康保險、醫療服務及副項目﹐並自113年7月1日申請。 衛生福利部海外修正、全民健康保險、醫療服務及副項目﹐並自113年7月1日申請"},{"start":9150.407,"end":9158.03,"text":"第一、二、二案經濟部還從112年度中小企業融資協助執行成果報告書一期處議會將經濟委員會宣讀完畢。無異通過報議會第123案至232案我們依序宣讀其中第121、124、177案國民黨黨團提議改交審查第123、124、130至133、145至147"},{"start":9179.6,"end":9207.316,"text":"一五二至一五六、一六一至一六四、一六六、一六八、一七三、一七四、一八一至一八三、一八七、一九零、二一一至二一四、二一七、二一八、二二四、二二五、二二八、二二九及﹐第231案,臺灣民眾黨黨團提議改交審查。 宣讀之後﹐以上提案均改交相關委員會審查,其餘議案均照"},{"start":9208.537,"end":9236.678,"text":"議事處意見通過請問院會有異議沒有異議我們宣讀宣讀之後通過請宣讀第123案行政院第124案之第12辦內眷部第129案海洋委員會第130案大陸委員會第131案不當黨產處理委員會第132案外交部第133案僑務委員會第134案密集第135案國防部第136案國軍退出官兵輔導委員會"},{"start":9237.699,"end":9240.884,"text":"第137案 經濟部第11案 農業部第143案 公民交友委員會第144案 國家發展委員會第145案 財政部第150案 密 中央銀行"},{"start":9254.122,"end":9270.161,"text":"第153案 及第154案 金融建築管理委員會 第155案 行政院主席總署 第156案 文化部 第157案 國家科學及基礎委員會 第158案 及第160案 交通部 第161案 及第162案 國家通訊傳播委員會"},{"start":9271.162,"end":9297.516,"text":"一、三、處委發展部一、四、行政院公共工程委員會一、五、司法院一、六、防務部一、七、衛生福利部一、八、最低一期零案審計部一、七、經濟部一、二、行政院一、七、最低一期零案內宣部一、八、議案最低一期零案原住民組委員會一、八、自然國防部一、八、五案最低一期零案經濟部一、八、辦案最低一期零案農業部一、九、財政部"},{"start":9299.697,"end":9313.729,"text":"第192案及第193案中央研究院 第194案及第203案教育部 第204案及第207案文化部 第20方案及第202案交通部 第213案國家通訊傳播委員會 第214案及第216案數位發選部"},{"start":9315.911,"end":9343.735,"text":"﹐第207案﹐監察院﹐第208案﹐防務部﹐第219案﹐至第209案﹐衛生福利部﹐第240案﹐及第231案﹐勞動部﹐第232案﹐環境部﹐含為各年度相關預算﹐中央政府以後強化經濟與社會韌性﹐及全民共享經濟成果特別預算權益﹐112年度中央政府總預算附屬單位預算﹐113年度中央政府總預算等預算權益﹐分別檢送相關報告。 宣讀完畢。"},{"start":9345.182,"end":9358.643,"text":"法院會第233案以下請一併宣讀。宣讀之後,除第244案同意展延審查期限外,其餘個案均准予被查。請宣讀。"},{"start":9359.383,"end":9381.182,"text":"第二、三、四案為本院司法及法政委會函﹖為願會教務審查、財政法人、臺灣更生保護會等111年度決算書案等案﹖已於決算法第28條鎖定審議期限。第二、三、四案至第二、四、三案為本院財政司法及法制、教育檢控化內政、外交警務方、經濟、交通、社會福利、優先環境委會函﹖為願會教務審查、審計部函為111年度"},{"start":9383.724,"end":9409.972,"text":"一百十一年度中央政府走運算局一等案﹐均已於年度運算執行期間。 第二、四次案為本院社會福利及衛生環境委會函﹐為院會交付審查相關行政命令﹐已於立法院職權行使法第61條所定審查期限。 質詢事項講﹐行政院答覆部分﹐行政院函送本院領委員書分等﹐所聽質詢之書面答覆共六件﹐以本院委員質詢部分﹐"},{"start":9410.712,"end":9438.949,"text":"本院議委員之等向行政院提出集群共三件。 宣布完畢。報告事項均已處理完畢。 我們現在進行討論事項第一案。本院臺灣民眾黨黨團為立三度爾颱風災後重建工作。 請行政院督促農業部等主管機關積極支援救災所需經費。 並訂定全國一致之補助標準。 請院會決議議案。"},{"start":9441.011,"end":9448.313,"text":"現在請議事人員宣讀提案內容。本院臺灣民眾腦囊團,由建雲山奴而颱風影響臺灣盛舉。據中央災害影片中心統計,截至113年11月7日1550,此次颱風共造成全國40億私中719傷,總災情包括露宿倒塌。"},{"start":9461.756,"end":9476.949,"text":"三、四、五、六、七、八、九、十、一、二、三、四、五、六、七、八、九、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、"},{"start":9477.99,"end":9502.346,"text":"因雨量大,風勢強勁,加上漲潮,造成新北市金山區萬里區40年來最嚴重的淹水,基隆市邊坡土石滑落,高雄市及屏東縣大範圍停電與社會設備損壞,花蓮縣台東縣交通中斷,及民眾不慎從高處墜落,駕車遭落時擊中,落海等災情,受山毒和颱風影響,全國農業總損失約3億8716萬元。"},{"start":9506.949,"end":9528.783,"text":"其中屏東縣損失2億3,863萬元,高雄市損失8,896萬元,將為嚴重農作物受損以香蕉驟嚴重,損失6,084萬元,次為番石榴、棗木瓜及蓮霧等,為利災民進行重慶工作,早日恢復正常生活,原提案進行本院作者如下決議。"},{"start":9529.924,"end":9550.723,"text":"請行政院督促農業部、經濟部、財政部、內政部等主管機關﹐積極支援各地方政府舊災所需經費﹐並比重堪比颱風之災後舊協助措施﹐秉持從困從速、從簡原則﹐為全體受災戶定定全國一致之補助標準﹐是否有當請供決案。 宣討完畢"},{"start":9553.925,"end":9579.259,"text":"依照立法院之間新政法第8條第3項之規定﹐本案經提案人說明提案子去﹐大體討論後﹐即一決交付審查或禁付二讀﹐或不予審議。 報告委員會﹐本提案﹐提案的黨團並沒有推派委員說明﹐我們就不做說明﹐現在進行大體討論﹐但是本案並沒有委員登記發言﹐我們就不發言。"},{"start":9580.579,"end":9597.133,"text":"辦委會,現有臺灣民眾黨黨團提議禁覆二讀,請問院會有異議?沒有異議,本案就禁覆二讀。依據立法院職權行事法第74條之一規定,交付黨團協商,我們現在作以下決議。交付黨團協商,由臺灣民眾黨黨團負責召集協商。"},{"start":9602.862,"end":9616.31,"text":"辦院會現在進入討論事項第二案本院臺灣民眾黨黨團建請加開院會,邀請行政院院長率同相關部會首長就賴清德政府能源配比及電價政策進行專案"},{"start":9617.608,"end":9624.693,"text":"被質詢請院會決議以案﹚本案﹚經第二會期第一次會議決議交付黨團協商﹚並由臺灣民眾黨黨團負責召集協商﹚報院會﹚本案現已完成協商﹚請宣讀協商結論。"},{"start":9634.969,"end":9653.367,"text":"立法院黨團協商結論時間113年10月17日星期四上午10時,地點群選樓802會議室。 決定事項,依各黨團同意10月29日星期二,邀請行政院院長率同相關部會首長列席,提出賴清德政府人員配比及電價偵測專案報告並被質詢。"},{"start":9655.809,"end":9683.912,"text":"質詢人數由國民黨黨團推敗9人、民進黨黨團推敗9人、臺灣民眾黨黨團推敗2人進行。 每位委員尋答時間15分鐘。 質詢順序屹立授權1、4處辦理。 名單請於10月28日星期一中午10、20前送交1、4處會診。 預時視同放棄。 主持人韓國瑜將啟程。 協商代表傅坤崎、林思明、王鴻威、柯建民、吳思堯、蔡毅宇、王國昌、吳春成、麥玉珍。 宣讀完畢。"},{"start":9685.542,"end":9686.691,"text":"請問院會對以上協商結論有異議?"},{"start":9688.444,"end":9709.568,"text":"沒有異議本案進行協商結論來進行處理我們現在做以下決議10月29日星期二邀請行政院院長率同相關部會首長列席提出賴清德政府能源配比及電價政策專案報告並被質詢質詢人數由國民黨團推派9位民進黨黨團推派9位台灣民眾黨黨團推派2位每位委員詢答時間15分鐘質詢順序依例授權議事處處理"},{"start":9718.697,"end":9738.915,"text":"本名單請於10月28日星期一中午12點前宋嬌藝術處會診。 欲時適同放棄。現在我們進入討論事項第三案本院民進黨黨團針對第11屆第2會期第2次會議包括事項第三案翁曉琳委員等凝聚憲法訴訟法第30條及"},{"start":9740.456,"end":9757.33,"text":"第43條條文修正草案．第4案翁曉琳委員等凝聚國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第16條條文修正草案．院會所作決定提出復議請公決案本案．今第二會期第三次會議"},{"start":9758.431,"end":9781.363,"text":"決定令定期處理,現在我們進行處理。本案沒有委員登記發言,我們就不發言。 報議會現在針對民進黨黨團所提議的副議案進行表決,贊成民進黨黨團所提的副議案,請案贊成,反對請案表決,請案反對,我們記名表決時間1分鐘,現在開始。"},{"start":9893.285,"end":9915.949,"text":"好,謝謝,謝謝,謝謝,好,謝謝各位委員,謝謝。報告委員會,楊耀委員發表聲明,對剛才表決與民進黨黨團意見一致,我們列入公報記錄。報告委員會現在宣布表決結果,出席委員106位,贊成50位,反對56位,贊成者少數。報告委員會現有民進黨黨團提議重複表決,我們現在進行重複表決,時間一分鐘,現在開始。"},{"start":9996.287,"end":10010.78,"text":"現在報告重複表決結果出席105位贊成50位反對55位贊成者少數我們決議復議案不通過本案報告事項照原作決定通過"},{"start":10012.282,"end":10040.261,"text":"現在我們進入討論事項第4案本院民進黨黨團針對第11屆第二會期第三次會議包括事項第9案翁小林委員等凝聚憲法訴訟案第95條條文修正草案及第63案徐欣怡委員等凝聚國家通訊委員會組織法第16條條文修正草案院會所作決定民進黨提出復議請公決案"},{"start":10042.662,"end":10043.883,"text":"時間一分鐘現在開始"},{"start":10180.117,"end":10184.101,"text":"謝謝謝謝報告表決結果出席104位贊成50位反對54位贊成者少數報告現在有民進黨團體重複表決我們現在進行重複表決時間一分鐘現在開始"},{"start":10273.732,"end":10298.006,"text":"報告委員會現在報告重複表決結果,出席104位,贊成50位,反對54位,贊成則少數。我們決議附議案不通過,本案報告事項照原作決定通過。報告委員會現在進入討論事項第5案,本院國民黨黨團提議針對農業部、教育部因禁訴檢討斑斑有先乃。"},{"start":10299.006,"end":10303.995,"text":"執行情形並提出改善方案。 請院會作成決議案,請議事人員宣讀提案內容。"},{"start":10306.345,"end":10330.838,"text":"本院國民黨黨團藉請院會作成以下之決議,有鑒於政府因應明年紐西蘭進口鮮奶零關稅,為減少對本土落農衝擊,農業部教育部實施斑斑有鮮奶政策,為因冷鏈配送學校冷藏儲存,以及食安疑慮問題,多數學生選擇保求入,至演變校園斑斑有保求入。"},{"start":10331.318,"end":10356.298,"text":"同時造成市面上保障乳酗貨及種匠情形﹐政府規劃不周﹐交上配套不足﹐不但造成學校教學現場之困擾﹐亦無法照顧到本土落農﹐傷害本土乳品產業﹐更影響民生物資價格之穩定﹐原此提案要求農業部教育部﹐因技術檢討斑斑有限地執行情形﹐並且提出經濟改善方案﹐"},{"start":10356.838,"end":10368.262,"text":"以確保學生飲用安全衛生式乳品,兼顧本土乳品產業之穩定發展,是否有當進行公決。 宣讀完畢。法定人數不足"},{"start":10382.266,"end":10396.5,"text":"審議。 報言會陳超明委員發表聲明,剛才表決與國民黨黨團意見一致,列入公報記錄。 報言會現在請提案黨團,國民黨黨團代表萬委員美玲說明提案子去。"},{"start":10406.706,"end":10429.333,"text":"謝謝院長,各位同仁,還有所有媒體的朋友。斑斑有鮮奶政策,四年四十四億。那說好的要在今年九月開學之後,讓我們的學童每一週都能夠喝到兩次的鮮奶。但是現在已經十月中了,我們看到斑斑有鮮奶變成斑斑有飽酒乳。"},{"start":10429.833,"end":10450.275,"text":"而斑斑有保久乳現在竟然變成了斑斑在等待。 那麼本院國民黨黨團要建請院會做成以下的決議有鑒於政府因應明年紐西蘭鮮奶零關稅 為了要減少本土落農的衝擊,農業部跟教育部"},{"start":10450.975,"end":10475.88,"text":"實施了斑斑有鮮奶政策,但是因為沒有顧及到冷鏈配送的問題,學校冷藏儲存的問題,以及相關食安疑慮的考慮,所以有很多的學生高達75%以上都選擇了飽酒乳,以至於演變成斑斑有鮮奶政策,現在是斑斑有飽酒乳政策。"},{"start":10476.4,"end":10476.42,"text":"二、3、4、5、6、7、8、9、10、11、12、13、14、15、16、17、18、19、20、21、22、23、24、25、26、27、28、29、30、31、32、33、34、35、36、37、40、40、41、42、43、44、45、46、46、47、49、49、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50"},{"start":10499.699,"end":10499.739,"text":"主席"},{"start":10515.527,"end":10515.847,"text":"主席"},{"start":10536.614,"end":10559.779,"text":"趕快的思考是不是應該要來發放鮮奶券。 比照現行有許多的縣市都是在寒暑假針對弱勢的學生發放營養午餐券的方式。 我們用鮮奶券讓每一個孩子可以快速的自行的到我們的超商到我們的大賣場來兌換他們所需的乳品。 我想"},{"start":10560.239,"end":10560.299,"text":"主席"},{"start":10588.776,"end":10612.156,"text":"謝謝外媒林委員的發言。報告委員會現在進行大體討論,沒有委員登記,我們就不再發言。報告委員會現有國民黨團提議禁付二讀,請問委員會有異議?沒有異議本案禁付二讀,依據立法院職權新司法74條之一規定交付黨團協商。我們作以下決議,本案交付黨團協商,並由國民黨黨團負責召集協商。"},{"start":10616.363,"end":10634.57,"text":"報告委員會現在議場二樓旁盯的是來自南投晴天協會的朋友,熱情歡迎。報告委員會現在議場二樓旁盯另外一批來自新北林口高中的同學,熱情歡迎未來國家主人翁。"},{"start":10637.75,"end":10659.041,"text":"現在我們針對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢今天進行個人質詢、交通組制質詢我們首先請郭國文委員質詢以書面提出請行政院以書面答覆並列入記錄刊登公報接下來我們請張家俊委員質詢"},{"start":10669.735,"end":10674.678,"text":"院長午安,我想請卓院長。麻煩請卓院長備選。卓院長。張委員好。我想要請問您,您自己有用過這個外送平台,類似Uber Eats或Fu Panda嗎?當然有,在疫情時間用的又特別多。應該不錯用吧,怎麼樣?不錯用,很方便。"},{"start":10699.264,"end":10722.134,"text":"很方便吧那最近交通部提出了一個預告修法跟Uber Eats跟Foodpanda都息息相關就是明訂機車外送平台的這個費率公式可以加收等待費還有樓層費跟夜間加成的費用本席要先請教院長您支持交通部這個預告案嗎"},{"start":10723.697,"end":10727.32,"text":"我假設是像院長這樣講的我覺得這個利益良善雖然現在還沒有明定這個價格但是根據工會的估算"},{"start":10748.598,"end":10748.618,"text":"韓國瑜議員"},{"start":10767.602,"end":10767.622,"text":"二、3、4、5、6、7、8、9、10、11、12、12、13、14、15、16、17、18、19、20、21、22、23、24、25、26、27、28、29、30、31、32、33、34、35、36、37、40、40、41、42、43、44、45、45、46、46、47、49、49、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50"},{"start":10788.113,"end":10788.133,"text":"二、3、4、5、6、7、8、9、10、11、12、12、13、14、15、16、17、18、19、20、21、22、23、24、25、26、27、28、29、30、31、32、33、34、35、36、37、40、40、41、42、43、44、45、46、46、47、49、49、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、"},{"start":10816.521,"end":10842.616,"text":"算是漲幅非常的多有88%的民眾表示說未來每筆這個外送運送費調漲60至85元他們會減少使用而且甚至可能考慮不再使用外送那所以呢這個部分曾經的有外送平台有外送員包括餐飲業者跟消費者您知道如果假設"},{"start":10844.357,"end":10858.709,"text":"這不是他們推動的,他們對這個狀況毫無所知,包括外送平台本身也說他們真的不曉得會發生這個事情。 那外送員認為說市場有它的平衡機制,如果漲價沒人點,"},{"start":10860.31,"end":10860.47,"text":"報告委員"},{"start":10880.135,"end":10893.61,"text":"這個部分您所提出來的數字您剛剛也說了這是外送員工會所算出來的數字代表外送員工會其實都知道這件事這個部分本來他們都知道現在大家談這些都還太早"},{"start":10894.531,"end":10895.651,"text":"本席再提醒你就是這個部分"},{"start":10917.501,"end":10928.45,"text":"因為你們在之前都沒有跟他們有討論,包括16號下午你們才緊急發通知給消基會,說希望他們17號早上來開會,他們就拒絕了,因為太倉促了。"},{"start":10933.173,"end":10947.529,"text":"簡直就是為了你這個要緊急上路急就章在做的往回的一個措施那本席要提醒你的是本席要提醒你的是這個草案就跟斑斑有先辱"},{"start":10948.45,"end":10975.258,"text":"一樣的翻版缺乏溝通不夠接地氣這簡直就是在辦公室裡面想出來的政策那一開始在公告這個修正草案之前的會議根本沒有任何消費者團體的聲音所以16號發文的就是為了挽救所以提醒你提醒你一定要重視否則你這樣子等於是"},{"start":10976.967,"end":10999.336,"text":"療草的上路的話影響的非常多,影響的非常多。好,那接下來呢,卓院長,我也必須提醒您,不只是交通部如此,你說教育部跟農業部剛剛我們提出的那個案子,就是斑斑有鮮奶,變成斑斑有薄酒乳之外,薄酒乳還供應不上,結果呢,"},{"start":11000.946,"end":11016.136,"text":"問了農業部,農業部說你喝不上薄酒乳,你喝鮮乳啊,這不是何不死糯米啊,真的我覺得荒唐到了一個極點,我們其實本意是要照顧落農,結果不只沒有照顧到落農,還排擠了"},{"start":11018.097,"end":11043.933,"text":"議員長"},{"start":11044.181,"end":11060.485,"text":"我希望大家的創意都要經過非常合理深入的討論而且在討論的初期如果還沒有廣泛跟外界有溝通不宜把任何的意見快速的向外界來宣布或是透露出來這樣會造成大家的不安"},{"start":11060.845,"end":11060.865,"text":"三、4、5、6、7、8、9、10"},{"start":11077.808,"end":11100.917,"text":"因為當人家覺得有一點荒腔折磅而且政策反覆,一下子說這樣,一下子說那樣,隔天又說道歉十幾次說他只是在發想階段,我覺得這樣子會讓民眾對整個內閣的可信度打折,間接影響到院長的credit,所以這一點提醒院長可以鼓勵大家再深思熟慮,再發起。"},{"start":11104.739,"end":11120.466,"text":"臺鐵公司10月初有一份從業人員待遇表的草案,將新進人員起薪調升3000元,但是公司化後原任的1萬多名員工待遇似乎都還沒有更改,請問這是否屬實?"},{"start":11123.387,"end":11123.407,"text":"是!"},{"start":11138.843,"end":11155.506,"text":"但是呢大家有問題有疑慮的是說為什麼新任人員的待遇提高原任的員工卻沒有調薪如果有沒有估算過說為什麼只有調薪進人員然後如果全體調要提升多少呢"},{"start":11156.892,"end":11158.213,"text":"就是希望能夠妥善處理因為本席也很擔心說假設"},{"start":11177.759,"end":11205.579,"text":"就是這個薪資的不公平導致說臺鐵有罷工或者是說營運可能無法負擔假設要全面調薪可能營運無法負擔那會不會像臺電一樣要發聲說交通部要撥補他這樣子的一個情況目前的狀況確實是不公平所以才調那從業人員比原本的人員低那我們現在希望從業人員先拉上來先拉上來這個是第一步我們要先做的"},{"start":11206.039,"end":11228.293,"text":"是 因為本席接到通知接到這個陳情就是已經有1500多名的台鐵員工聯署要到交通部去開記者會希望能夠提出原任人員要有合理的這個待遇方式那本席在這裡希望部長能夠妥善處理不要影響到其他我們一般消費者的權益"},{"start":11232.503,"end":11255.816,"text":"請問院長,數位部的打炸APP你有看過嗎?有。有看過。你知道數位部應該是打炸最重要的一個機關之一是嗎?從技術面來看是,但實際執行的應該還有我們的檢警調系統。那對於數位部打炸的成果,院長你滿意嗎?"},{"start":11257.399,"end":11267.133,"text":"術衛部打詐的成果他這個APP只是一個讓大家檢視他受到的國人受到的資訊是真是假他是在檢視這個真假"},{"start":11268.683,"end":11290.849,"text":"有個數據喔本席跟院長說一下去年的詐欺案件發生是37832件在前年增加了8314件加了28.17%詐騙的這個案件是越打越多那部長你們數位部在9月底推出了網路詐騙通報查詢網是不是?"},{"start":11293.59,"end":11294.811,"text":"那請問一下這個APP花了多少錢?"},{"start":11302.438,"end":11316.747,"text":"一、二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、九、十一、二、三、四、五、六、十一、二、十一、二、十一、二、十一、二、十一、二、十一、二、十一、二、十一、二、十一、二、十一、二、十一、二、十一、二、十一、二、十一、二、十一、二、十一、二、十一、二、十一、二、十一、二、十一、二、十一、二、十一、二、十一、二、十一、二、十一、二、十一、二、十一、二、十一、二、十一、二、十一、二、十一、二、十一、二、十一、二、十一、二、十一、二、十一、二、十一、二、十一"},{"start":11326.593,"end":11333.467,"text":"Apple Store跟Play商店的評分是多少你知道嗎?大概是從3左右"},{"start":11334.244,"end":11360.78,"text":"差不多2.6星部長你會不會覺得這個有一點不滿意我個人從事軟體做40年所以這個兩個層面一個是說它好不好用那我承認這個推出來的時候的確在可用就是好不好用是有進步的空間但是它的效果我們看到了我給委員報告一下我們在15天的公測本席再提醒你你講到了"},{"start":11363.254,"end":11388.553,"text":"這個數位部上架幾天之後大家反應很不好他馬上就下架了他這個詐騙通報網他說這個是公測APP是公測就已經完成了階段性任務所以你1300萬15天就把它用完了你就把它花了就把它下架了我的老天啊我真的是嚇一跳"},{"start":11390.295,"end":11405.716,"text":"詐騙通報還需要公測?而且你只用了15天就把它下降了,我到底看到什麼啦?你們公測了什麼?你們完成了什麼階段性任務?因為我們原來就是要收集一萬個民眾的feedback,那這個我們收集到了。"},{"start":11405.996,"end":11422.982,"text":"那請問還有第二階段的公測第三階段的公測是不是反正只要做不好就說是公測就可以下架但是如果數位部做不好你也可以說是數位部是公測啊數位部也可以裁掉啊我們在上去的時候就已經說這叫公測版"},{"start":11423.564,"end":11449.686,"text":"所以並不是後來才說的就是另外一個更嚴重的問題本席在下架前就已經下載了目前還可以截圖請看這個昨天的截圖就我們打造APP自己聲稱說用AI去尋找詐騙資訊的檔案結果全部都是色情廣告全部都是色情廣告你覺得這個是數位部想要達成的目標嗎所以就是我們在講說我們第一個公測的目的就是找出這些問題"},{"start":11450.367,"end":11457.469,"text":"二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、九、十、九、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、"},{"start":11468.692,"end":11491.613,"text":"指出這個網站有問題之後他可以進去通報詳細來說明他被騙三個是這個APP必須要非常好的操作所以部長您真的要加油啊所以這個錢就好像撒了十幾天就花了一千多萬結果還沒有成果搜尋到了全部都是色情廣告這合適嗎?"},{"start":11492.834,"end":11495.696,"text":"因為我時間有限,我想要接下來再問一下地方建設,就是院長,我們這個斗六鐵道次庫停船,到目前為止,今年9月兩則,5月好幾條人命,"},{"start":11512.108,"end":11539.778,"text":"都沒了所以針對斗六鐵路高價化一案本席今年也邀請了會刊多次最終已經解決了曲率半徑效益評估跟臨時評交到的三大關口讓斗六鐵路高價化可以敗部復活這是斗六人已經期盼了二三十年的夢但是院長真的很需要您的幫忙因為呢縣府把這個案子可行性評估"},{"start":11540.578,"end":11541.538,"text":"請問一下這個審查期程大概還要多久?"},{"start":11541.538,"end":11542.558,"text":"部長您可以回答嗎?"},{"start":11563.983,"end":11589.333,"text":"目前我們已經送到部了,鐵道局那邊已經送到交通部了,那我們交通部最近會來開審查會議。最近大概多久?我要跟內部再討論一下。一個禮拜、三個禮拜還是三個月?我跟內部來討論一下。因為你加快騎乘,你是在保障我們這些人民的行車安全。那我也想舉一個例子,就是說"},{"start":11619.793,"end":11638.182,"text":"謝謝張家俊委員指詢,謝謝卓院長及相關部會所長的備詢,謝謝。報告委員會現在在議場二樓旁聽的來自南投縣,南投市永興社區發展協會,熱情歡迎。報告委員會現在接下來登記第三位柯志恩委員,請發言。"},{"start":11646.058,"end":11646.881,"text":"麻煩再請卓院長及交通部備詢"},{"start":11657.523,"end":11684.137,"text":"科委員好 院長好 部長好我想昨天在我們東湖發生少年無照駕駛一個非常遺憾的一個事件我想更要讓我們數字裡面讓我們覺得更驚訝的是根據交通部的統計每年大概有30萬到40萬是有交通事故的但是有5萬是屬於無照這樣的一個駕駛而且平均會造成600人死亡而且還有6萬多人受傷最重要的是"},{"start":11684.737,"end":11696.438,"text":"死傷人數竟然是酒駕的6倍!我們來跟酒駕來比,過去我們說酒駕是零容忍,那無照呢?無照呢?無照駕駛又是如何呢?"},{"start":11702.242,"end":11719.768,"text":"我覺得這個部分在法規條文上面這個就完全是交通部如果能夠率先來做定到一個方向立法院絕對配合因為這件事情比酒駕還要多出6倍這個數字是很難令人"},{"start":11720.288,"end":11734.825,"text":"接受的好不好那接下來有個民生的問題啊因為因應這個新店家的上路啊那每個人都會關切這個高鐵跟台鐵會不會漲價因為我每天的日常就是高鐵轉台鐵所以對我來說是非常的重要的那會不會漲價"},{"start":11737.987,"end":11766.076,"text":"報告委員,台鐵的部分,我們有承諾過在春節之前不長假。對,不長假,春節之前,現在目前距離春節只有3個月,你知道我們保久乳還可以保存6個月,那你這個3個月,說實話你別保久乳還不如誒,是不是?而且你應應店家的這個部分裡面調高,但是剛剛張家滬居委員也特別提到了,因為我們知道要為台鐵的基層來好好的講一下話,董座,你知道董座為什麼會加薪嗎?他加薪的理由是什麼?"},{"start":11766.696,"end":11769.137,"text":"當董做的薪資到19總計到18的時候 靈鬼作業危險的今天每個小時只有40塊錢 只有40塊錢"},{"start":11792.063,"end":11818.045,"text":"這對所有的基層員工來說真是情何以堪我們再來看一下而且呢剛剛部長也特別提到了你們要加薪然後希望我們這台鐵的這基層能夠趕上國營的事業其實還是有很大段的一個理由的我們來看一下下面一頁你看他基本上面往下他的這個薪資裡面到底行政院現在是卡在你們行政院過去來說我們前一頁卡在這個行政院當中你看從這個過程528已經喊報政院"},{"start":11820.427,"end":11820.447,"text":"二、3、4、5、6、7、8、9、10、11、12、13、14、15、16、17、18、19、20、21、22、23、24、25、26、27、28、29、30、31、32、33、34、35、36、37、40、40、41、42、43、44、45、46、47、48、49、49、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、"},{"start":11847.029,"end":11850.892,"text":"報告委員,這個才剛送到院長那邊,因為我們跟人總那邊需要一個協調,這個部分我們很努力,然後也很快會達成,所以請委員放心,在講業務的緣程快會完成。"},{"start":11871.327,"end":11890.674,"text":"關於罷工怎麼辦,我們來看一下,因為時間有限了,觀光產業真的是一個鏟子,也收到非常多觀光,台灣這麼美麗的寶島。各位,你知道7月的時候我們人數是衝破150萬出國去,這比去年還是多了27%,而且你看一下,但是我們國內的旅遊,你看我們的住房率,平均的房價,"},{"start":11891.274,"end":11891.294,"text":"二、3、4、5、6、7、8、9、10"},{"start":11921.394,"end":11922.295,"text":"三、10月18日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。 三、10月18日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。"},{"start":11940.083,"end":11963.119,"text":"大家問到你我們的觀光業該如何振興的時候當然你告訴我們今年要達到1000萬的旅客是不可能的你下修到750萬但是明年你還是把它設定在1000萬如果整個大環境整個制度沒有改變的話你為什麼認為還是可以到1000萬你不能有一個高標準然後到年底的時候告訴我對不起我們達不到我們就下修這不是我們設定目標的主要目的吧"},{"start":11964.059,"end":11964.199,"text":"為什麼不..."},{"start":11990.775,"end":12014.321,"text":"部長謝謝但是院長我還是要告訴你為什麼我覺得這件事情非常的重要因為我們大家有個很大的指標叫做瑞士洛桑管理學院公佈的你知道我們台灣在IMD的世界競爭力排名其實不錯每年都在進步它有四個面向但是其中一個很大面向叫經濟層面經濟層面裡面我們是四個面向裡面其實最差的這是你非常重視的經濟面向而且經濟面向裡面有十個指標 抱歉"},{"start":12015.621,"end":12029.355,"text":"十個指標當中呢,就是觀光指標最糟糕。 64個全世界的經濟體當中,我們台灣只贏了4個。 所以表示我們的觀光是拖垮了我們整個經濟的面向。 所以觀光有多麼重要,不是嗎?"},{"start":12029.355,"end":12034.48,"text":"然後呢,我們提出來,然後我們也把觀光成立數了。 但是數有沒有辦法把我們的觀光產業變得比較好呢?"},{"start":12034.48,"end":12034.52,"text":"你看。"},{"start":12037.723,"end":12037.903,"text":"執行局委員"},{"start":12068.804,"end":12070.625,"text":"我會希望觀光署跟國內一些觀光的產業跟我甚至觀光協會每年我們的觀光旅展都非常的熱鬧"},{"start":12090.656,"end":12116.322,"text":"但是數據會縮化嘛,就是旅遊…對啦,但是就是會縮化,然後我告訴你啊,是,是,因為時間關係齁,你看我們現在的航點喔,高雄小港機場的航點喔,只恢復在一起的七成到八成,雖然有非常多,你看下面有非常多,大家非常努力的,然後最近的聯合航空有沒有,部長你應該關切到了,他也公開宣布說明年7月要到我們高雄來喔,啊你們,你們交通部有沒有很積極?"},{"start":12117.33,"end":12144.885,"text":"當然很積極,現在聯合航空已經來跟我們申請。沒有啊,部長你的資訊有落差,我昨天還夢過民航局,目前為止聯合航空還沒有遞書申請表。他給我的資料是10月16日上午。他還沒有介紹,所以我覺得部長我們要積極一點,我們要更積極一點,讓我們只能夠飛到美國是飛夢市好不好,這點非常的重要。人家遞書改懶制,人家已經公開宣布了,你交通部就不能坐等,你就要好好的去跟人家好好的接洽,這是我認為最重要的好不好。"},{"start":12145.885,"end":12169.411,"text":"太多委員支持我們會把小港機場再有系統有計劃性的 一定要的啦現在去小港到桃園每個都往桃園然後還有大包小包連桃園下了高鐵之後要到那個機場裡面的我們都還沒有好好的這個部分 所以請委員要支持我們各個年度的這樣公共建設 公共建設沒有問題啦把預算編足公共建設我們都不會擋啦院長 所以預算要趕快過我們明年才可以小港機場的"},{"start":12170.151,"end":12176.455,"text":"現在我都沒有辦法答應你啊。我現在只是大家非常的納悶啊。過去信誓旦旦不管是在蘇院長或是在任何人信誓旦旦都告訴"},{"start":12199.17,"end":12199.37,"text":"主席"},{"start":12211.584,"end":12217.069,"text":"現在也還沒有真正的定案還沒有定案那左營案是因為很多的交通專家跟地方人士認為說這個車到左營以後要往屏東走他必須有一個倒退路所以大家認為不好"},{"start":12233.323,"end":12254.756,"text":"但高雄案就是因為他要用淺鈍的工法還是多少少影響到現在的交通狀況那一定的因為你這個黑暗期是有嘛兩者之間所以到現在決定怎麼樣再拖下去怎麼樣但是院長我在利用這個時間我覺得我們還是要把歷史說一下說實在的高雄發案我現在聽到有些立委又開始在馬尾拉了我親自問過葉部長交通部長"},{"start":12256.397,"end":12256.757,"text":"我沒有這樣講過"},{"start":12285.93,"end":12287.211,"text":"我只是要提醒,好,那我們就把這個責任清楚。"},{"start":12301.107,"end":12326.095,"text":"當初的葉部長也提出而且當初葉部長所提出的理由是經過審慎的報告跟現在的鐵道局所做的報告有什麼差別嗎有什麼差別嗎你們那時候很多人把他罵得要死只管他那時候所提出的報告跟現在鐵道局跟蔡政府不是賴政府是蔡政府的鐵道局其實都是一樣的所以不要是國民黨提出來就有好像有問題要追溯到過去蔡政府提出來大家就覺得沒有意見"},{"start":12327.296,"end":12344.878,"text":"我只是在想辦法解決現在的問題所以說我還是強調那時候並不是而且民進黨執政了8年你如果認為高雄案很棒的話早該實行不要牽托太多但是我還是要問一下部長部長你有沒有看過2019年的評估報告有關於高雄案你沒看過"},{"start":12346.729,"end":12362.698,"text":"因為我沒有提出一個非常清楚的有關於高雄案的這樣子一個報告,因為你現在告訴我們就是說,你有沒有看過,你有沒有仔細看過他的屏幕好不好?2019年的我沒有看過。你沒有看過,你要看一下,因為你現在告訴我們現在是要用選對是一種新的做法,是不是?你那時候有特別提到。"},{"start":12363.358,"end":12377.208,"text":"現在潛頓的技術會比過去更好一些?實際上2019年的時候,但是我還是要提醒在2019年的時候,《蘋果報告》裡面就告訴大家潛頓就是一個可行,所以它並不是一個新的技術,那個時候就已經提出來了,所以我剛剛為什麼盤點?"},{"start":12378.889,"end":12403.336,"text":"都已經把過去的優點跟劣點全部都已經盤點完成了,然後你告訴我所以當初的優點為什麼現在變成不是優點,然後把整個大的方向做一些的改變,這個加加減減,對,又還沒有定案,然後到說到年底有可能,現在幾乎所有的高雄的鄉親都認為到年底,因為說實在的我們南高雄因為是這樣子的黑暗期已經少了8萬人口了,"},{"start":12404.616,"end":12405.896,"text":"一直都是說年底之前會定案年底之前不會再改變了吧"},{"start":12433.615,"end":12434.856,"text":"我們一直都說年底之前"},{"start":12463.955,"end":12463.975,"text":"二、3、4、5、6、7、8、9、10、11、12、13、14、15、16、17、18、19、20、21、22、23、24、25、26、27、28、29、30、31、32、33、34、35、36、37、40、40、40、41、42、43、44、45、46、46、47、49、49、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、"},{"start":12486.169,"end":12487.99,"text":"報告委員,我們很積極的跟地方在溝通,如果我現在大膽的請教委員你的建議呢?謝謝"},{"start":12511.008,"end":12533.173,"text":"臺北你看有板橋有臺北市長有南港你看整個所帶動的一個商圈那當然我只是很扼腕當初我提出來這個部分包括我們議員提出來這個部分還被民進黨的議員消遣你難道不知道我們如何如何就現在這一群人同樣的一批人突然站出來說高雄發言才是最好的選擇你知道對於當初所提出來贊成這個提出來的人"},{"start":12534.553,"end":12560.694,"text":"這個這個落差好我們還是一句話不用往前面看我現在只是非常強調的對我們來說整個南高雄的發展那就是如何用這個降低最少的困擾能夠減短我們的黑暗期然後呢還是一句話永續的發展不是大家共同的一個目標謝謝委員部長我們高雄案多一票多一票不只一票啊你去問一下啦非常多啦但是呢還是把2019年平鋪告報全部把它做個比對不要當初的優點現在應該還是優點當初的缺點該怎麼解決"},{"start":12571.801,"end":12575.506,"text":"謝謝柯政委員的質詢,謝謝卓院長及相關部會首長備詢,謝謝。報言會上午的質詢到此為止,下午2點30分我們繼續開會進行交通組織質詢,先來休息。"},{"start":21640.911,"end":21644.576,"text":"發言會現在繼續開會,進行交通組織質詢。 請林委員、易軍質詢。"},{"start":21686.852,"end":21689.333,"text":"有請卓院長有請卓院長備詢林委員好你好你好還有請那個交通部的陳部長還有NCC喔抱歉抱歉那個NCC的綠美小弟的NCC的委法主委你就不用上台了我們等一下請卓院長等一下回答就好了"},{"start":21721.479,"end":21746.395,"text":"院長看到本席你應該知道我想今天本席想要諮詢的重點是什麼了吧?花東或是護理的問題。是是,沒錯本席要繼續關心我們花蓮的觀光還有花蓮交通的問題。那院長首先我還是先感謝你啦,自從你上任之後真的都有遵守承諾。你每個月真的都有到花蓮來視察。我下禮拜還要去。"},{"start":21749.002,"end":21773.695,"text":"謝謝謝謝關心我們花蓮的災後重建但是本席不知道你是真的有沒有看到問題因為還是你只是走馬看花聽聽地方官員給你的看似認真的簡報做做樣子呢因為對我們花蓮人來講現在最重要的問題是要如何活下去因為仰賴我們觀光產業發展的城市因為這個天災各行各業都已經變成了產業真的是棲產的產業"},{"start":21777.349,"end":21798.358,"text":"那我想要請問一下院長還有部長那院長和部長請問一下花蓮平常是不是經常發生地震?花蓮是屬於地震頻傳的區域之一那花蓮是不是常常都是一直在發生地震?你們有這樣感覺嗎?餘震的狀況應該是很頻繁"},{"start":21800.239,"end":21827.276,"text":"那現在問題就來了就是說那我再請問一下電視的新聞台在花蓮0403地震發生以前會不會一直這樣播放花蓮地震的跑馬燈呢那你知道我為什麼沒有地震的發生當然媒體是不會去有這個訊息來報導的好其實好院長其實不是這個樣子你知道我為什麼要這樣問嗎因為花蓮的好多的鄉親都跟我反映說尤其是我們"},{"start":21828.337,"end":21855.894,"text":"在花蓮鄉親的群組上面大家都說三不五時就收到地震的警報有的時候只是一個完全沒有影響到民生和交通的小小地震各家的新聞都是一直在報導而且最後反而是其他縣市的親友都會讓每一個人都感覺人心惶惶甚至比我們花蓮人更害怕更緊張然後都跑來關心花蓮人但是老實說太過頻繁還有非必要的"},{"start":21856.414,"end":21856.454,"text":"﹚第11屆第2會議"},{"start":21875.325,"end":21901.048,"text":"因為花蓮的光光還沒有死 其實人都已經快嚇死了那我們怎麼樣振興花蓮的光光呢 因為大家都不敢來了啊其實在面對地震的時候 應該要教育民眾要怎麼樣的臨危不亂反而這個是比較重要的 結果現在大小地震都放大報導搞到最後都變成唯恐天下不亂 而且現在你看打開電視台"},{"start":21902.429,"end":21922.598,"text":"都一直播花蓮地震的速報為什麼每次一個地震開始的時候各家新聞台的跑馬燈就一直在出現一直在出現一直跑跑到人民的心都慌了跑到大家都真的都不敢到花蓮來旅遊了那院長你知道我們花蓮人心裡其實真的是苦到說不出口了嗎"},{"start":21925.539,"end":21947.107,"text":"地震的預報或是這個報導應該不會侷限是花蓮地區啦況且我們的地震中心或是我們的氣象署他都有法定的職權跟義務必須在一定的程度必須讓全民知道這樣的資訊所以我是希望說讓大家知道這個權利要維護但知道的時候要告訴大家知而不亂"},{"start":21948.385,"end":21951.447,"text":"警告、預警也是好的。警告的時候也叫大家警告,但是你不要警告。"},{"start":21965.598,"end":21992.346,"text":"而且我是想要拜託拜託院長還有NCC可不可以開始請各家新聞台都要自律呢而且你們這地震的警報也要分等級啊你現在二級也在登然後每天都是看到花蓮地震這誰敢來啊我們現在每一個人都是對花蓮沒有信心欸他們都不敢來欸因為他每次都覺得鎮壓一定會是在花蓮然後一看其實只有二級還有三級"},{"start":21993.82,"end":22010.205,"text":"前幾天就發生了啊但是那個新聞台就是跑馬燈一直在跑啊所以我覺得這樣不只自己嚇自己而且是嚇死全國的民眾而且造成全國的民眾的恐慌尤其是大家真的對花蓮都沒有信心了"},{"start":22010.985,"end":22028.652,"text":"當然啦,剛才院長有說,所以其實我也感謝各個新聞台對花蓮的地區的關心,但是這個東西是已經太過關心了,反而產生一個無形的壓力,也讓我們全國的民眾無形中產生了一個叫做花蓮隨時都在地震的標籤化。"},{"start":22031.554,"end":22060.073,"text":"這個標籤話會讓大家都不敢來所以我們將心比心嘛行政院或NCC是否可以建議媒體開始減少全國民眾對花蓮地區的恐懼如果是這樣像院長每個月都到花蓮你也是希望說我們的災後重建還有振興要有一個上升一個非常大的幫助所以我覺得這個或許真的是你們要研議一下是不是要怎麼樣讓大家對花蓮有信心"},{"start":22061.553,"end":22088.703,"text":"請委員理解行政院應該是沒有辦法要求媒體掃報哪一些內容那NCC可以去處理啊我一直要求氣象署在針對各項的預警預告的過程當中要更精確更精準這個是我們花蓮鄉親的問題每一個人都跟我反應每一個群組都說這是要嚇死人嗎我們花蓮現在經濟那麼差了"},{"start":22089.703,"end":22108.692,"text":"氣象署它是不是有一定的公告預告的一個標準到達什麼標準必須要向全民來揭露這樣我記得04、03在那之前的時候其實沒有像現在這個樣子其實氣象署他們只要有地震那必然就會做一個報告啦氣象署的動作一定是這個我剛已經講了要分等級"},{"start":22114.134,"end":22132.021,"text":"氣象署的責任是只要有地震就要告訴民眾有地震他不是說分一級二級三級的問題只要有地震對民眾會很希望只要有地震都要知道所以氣象署大家希望他能夠準這第一個第二個大家希望他的訊息能夠通透這個我們一直在努力做"},{"start":22132.481,"end":22146.094,"text":"所以我現在也是代表我花蓮的鄉親來這邊講這些反映這些事情因為真的現在經濟都很差好我再來想講第二個問題就是院長跟部長你們知道有關花蓮鐵路高價化的交通的問題嗎"},{"start":22147.835,"end":22167.47,"text":"臺灣的東部的鐵路在花蓮市和吉安鄉市區就有7個平面的平交道穿越花蓮市和吉安鄉的鬧區所以這個已經引發民怨的不斷的民怨所以現在臺鐵花蓮站和吉安甘城站的高架工程其實這個蓋我想應該比蘇花安還簡單吧一定不會比蘇花安還難但是究竟何時可以規劃動工還是根本就是不想做"},{"start":22175.896,"end":22200.373,"text":"因為據我了解今年9月的27號鐵道局的計劃書已經送到交通部的本部了但是為什麼又石沉大海呢?音訊全無呢?那請問目前計劃書究竟是已經送到交通部了嗎?還是進度如何呢?那院長跟部長你現在是不是可以承諾本席馬上加速審核呢?因為據我了解"},{"start":22202.115,"end":22215.951,"text":"這個計畫書在政府機關其實來來回回已經修過好多次然後民眾都在等待多年的鐵路的高架化而且在去年112年的4月獲得前交通部長正面的回應了"},{"start":22216.471,"end":22236.946,"text":"同意將花東地區的鐵路雙軌電氣化計畫的工程納入花蓮站至甘城站有7個鐵路平交道的高架立體化辦理,而且並且他也答應了要全額的負擔,改善花蓮市7個鐵路平交道的立體化工程及吉安車站的高架化經費。"},{"start":22238.007,"end":22266.75,"text":"但是本席翻閱了114年的預算書在鐵道局的鐵路及捷運的建設的計畫中有編列花東地區鐵路雙軌電氣化計畫中他有總經費是4562億中114年編列了600億元所以我現在只是想說難道莫非新上任的陳部長你沒有想要黃牛了嗎你不想兌現前任的支票了嗎是不是又要欺騙我們花蓮人了"},{"start":22267.882,"end":22290.173,"text":"報告委員這個案子現在正在進行的是花東的鐵軌軌道的這個雙軌電氣化這個部分一直在進行當中這個沒有什麼黃牛不黃牛的問題那您所提到的高價化的部分目前也正在審議當中目前國發會正在審議那什麼時候可以好呢?國發會在審議這個我沒辦法替他們回答那你可能要幫我們追蹤一下吧"},{"start":22296.383,"end":22321.116,"text":"OK好那我想院長其實那麼多個月都到花蓮其實非常充分了解花蓮還有東部的民眾雖然是一個小小的臺灣但是東西的的交通是非常的不同的大部分的交通都是以西部為主嗎我上一次質詢的時候也有說嘛有比較圖出來嘛對不對然後相對西部的時候那我們花蓮的交通資源真的是嚴重的不足"},{"start":22321.696,"end":22350.322,"text":"所以這是我們花蓮民眾大家最痛也是最擔憂的尤其是花蓮在這幾次0403的大地震還有凱米風災還有山陀爾颱風之後那我們花蓮對外的交通中斷真的是變成孤城了啦所以我們現在看一下現在東西的已經不平衡了東西的交通已經不平衡了然後我們現在看現在這次只要風災之後連台鐵還有公路全部都斷了而且這個還有小心土石流"},{"start":22350.842,"end":22376.2,"text":"那我真的是覺得還有我們來看一下另外一個就是我們災前災時災後的情況的比較所以災後的時候也會有管制然後還是不方便那我們是不是看這樣之後我們是不是要快一點要找一條有一條安全替代道路像舒花庵這樣是不是要快一點把它建造完成還是按照其程要如期完工呢"},{"start":22376.9,"end":22401.723,"text":"沒有錯 報告委員 蘇哈安是我們按照期程也一步一步在推動我想這個蘇哈安如果完成之後對交通的改善我們是有所期待的只是我跟您一樣非常的遺憾每次重大工程進行到大家正在如火如荼的時候就來一場大雨來一個颱風讓我們很多要從復原復舊又開始這是我們共同遇到的大自然給我們的挑戰"},{"start":22402.123,"end":22416.721,"text":"我再請院長再看一下像我們東部的交通的便利性沒有一項勝過西部的現在以前本來上一次來比較的時候說什麼雙腳還可以翻山越嶺現在幾乎土石流之後連那種走的都沒有辦法過去"},{"start":22418.082,"end":22442.11,"text":"所以像執政者的交通建設,這對執政者的交通建設是不是一個諷刺呢?這對我們身為同樣是中華民國的國民情何以堪?尤其是在鐵路方面,東部沒有捷運也沒有高鐵,搭火車一票籃球,遇到風災整個都封閉。那院長請問一下花東鄉情除了公路、鐵路,還是不是還可以選擇飛機?"},{"start":22443.47,"end":22444.17,"text":"委員所說的是道路中斷的時候嗎?"},{"start":22473.933,"end":22486.405,"text":"遇到風災又是道路中斷的時候可能比較困難原因是這個樣子如果風災又道路中斷我原本的航空也不能飛船當然也不行因為有風災的時候颱風正在跑"},{"start":22488.387,"end":22516.111,"text":"然後一結束之後呢?因為萬一正好家裡有急事馬上要趕回去的時候呢?報告委員在上一次9月8號有一次也剛好因為遇到大雨所以道路中斷包含公路包含鐵路遇到土石流我們那個時候啟動了三個小時就啟動了一個輸運方案飛機馬上加班那另外就是往南回的鐵路我們馬上加班不但是南回運到輸運大家到高雄我們連高鐵的部分也都接得上"},{"start":22516.564,"end":22538.046,"text":"我們高鐵也加開班次讓那個民眾可以從南部到北部去所以3個小時的SOP我們在交通部已經建立了所以你們已經做好SOP了就對了是不是?沒有錯這個部分我已經建立了但是我有看過你們的SOP目前是有但是不完整所以我是想說如何解決花蓮交通不便還有臨時發生交通中斷的時候你那個吊派飛機"},{"start":22539.087,"end":22539.107,"text":"二、3、4、5、6、7、8、9、10、11、12、13、14、15、16、17、18、19、20、21、22、23、24、25、26、27、28、29、30、31、32、33、34、35、36、37、40、40、41、42、43、44、45、45、46、46、47、49、49、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50"},{"start":22563.974,"end":22584.453,"text":"報告委員您所說的A跟B計畫目前交通部正在努力當中就是航空跟海運的部分藍色公路的部分我也努力想要把它建立起來不過還在努力的過程但您所指的這個C計畫有關於國防部的派遣的部分大概交通部沒有辦法去指揮國防部的部分所以這個部分我大概不行那A跟B我正在努力"},{"start":22585.52,"end":22585.881,"text":"好,謝謝林委員"},{"start":22610.902,"end":22637.154,"text":"好,謝謝卓院長。下一位請廖先祥委員質詢。好,謝謝主席。一樣麻煩幫我們邀請卓院長。卓院長請備詢。"},{"start":22646.178,"end":22673.01,"text":"院長好,放心啊,今天不吵架。我們沒有吵架,沒有吵架。表現我的誠意,我先感謝我們賴清德總統,因為在金山萬里發生大雨、自災的時候,他有到金山萬里去看我們的一些,他的鄉親,也是我們的國民。那總統有到市場裡面去看,金山市場淹水得非常嚴重嘛,對不對。那市場也,總統也有提出一些方案,就是說,現行制度我們,"},{"start":22674.035,"end":22684.138,"text":"總統講這句話應該是對全部的攤商講嘛對不對他希望這個方案能夠讓所有的攤商都能夠適用總統想幫助所有的人對不對"},{"start":22703.216,"end":22707.079,"text":"總統給大家的承諾他現在很難落地因為他有個狀況就是我們經濟部當然會要求來申請的攤商你必須要有營業營業登記商業登記等等的"},{"start":22725.612,"end":22725.712,"text":"總共138家攤商"},{"start":22740.011,"end":22766.141,"text":"但是總共只有28家的攤商符合資格他有營業登記或商業登記剩下的110家的攤商他們有營業的事實他們有繳租金給市政府他們確實是都有受災了但是他們現在都不符合我們經濟部的一個規範那經濟部當然也想協助他們經濟部現在提出的方案是那我就定額好了啦你買個冰箱我看是要補助你3000來6000是什麼的"},{"start":22767.461,"end":22768.122,"text":"我了解委員提出這樣的看法"},{"start":22789.383,"end":22817.381,"text":"也相當的有他的道理在一定的區域裡面固定的商家他有營業的事實對 有營業的事實鄉鄰隔壁我有你沒有可能造成大家心理上的如果這樣子的話我會請經濟部就現在這個本來節能減碳的這個方式原來是對有營業登記證的一些公司是不是可以在法律的解釋上面如果是固定的區域在一定的時間他提出證明"},{"start":22818.382,"end":22826.531,"text":"我想能不能用在法律可以解釋通的狀況底下,我們來做一個專案的討論。我知道,那謝謝院長願意正面的來協助我們的受災戶解決可能他們遇到的問題,先謝謝我們的院長。"},{"start":22834.707,"end":22861.019,"text":"好接下來我就討論一下地方的交通建設下一張我們的這個捷運汐止民生線嘛那其實在今天新北市政府已經完成評選了啦那後續會公道決標的結果那大家預期應該是會順利啦但是當初為什麼會有一個汐止民生線跑出來可能你們都知道原因就是因為原本整條線是到大稻埕汐止區公所到台北市的大稻埕啊時任的台北市政府"},{"start":22861.519,"end":22887.648,"text":"那時候沒有意願做所以新北市先來做局部的路段但是一條捷運我們大家應該都知道一條捷運一定是完整的路段它的效益才高嘛就像我們台北市因為路網密集所以很高台中、高雄還在發展階段所以搭乘率比較低一點那站數越少搭乘的誘因就越低那整條路線越長轉成了站點越多那這條線的效益就更大嘛所以當初的整條線的規劃是汐止區公所到這個"},{"start":22889.949,"end":22910.362,"text":"臺北市的大稻埕,目前感謝我們行政院的協助, 汐止到東湖核定了,地方政府在做了。現在臺北市的東湖大稻埕段, 正由我們的新北市政府在做綜合括號的報告。當然送報告到交通部,我們交通部一定會有審核的機制, 那也提出了一些意見,這些意見可能就是一些"},{"start":22911.923,"end":22931.598,"text":"一些細項我覺得我們也沒有必要在這邊討論那麼多那只是說我們的院長可不可以在這邊就做一些宣誓性的一些發言宣誓性的一些你們未來我們行政院會怎麼樣子來交通來這個交代交通部關於我們汐止民生線東湖段到大稻埕的段希望我們交通部怎麼樣子來協助"},{"start":22933.158,"end":22959.385,"text":"我所知道部分現在這條線就它的興建營運跟主管機關都還在討論當中所以交通部應該要掌握這樣的討論的重點這樣跟新北或是台北市政府去做更多的討論那這個牽涉到這個從汐止到台北這個整個市區裡面的一條動線很重要那麼是請部長來說明一下未來怎麼樣進行這樣的討論跟進行"},{"start":22960.825,"end":22961.826,"text":"一條路線只做一半"},{"start":22978.667,"end":22990.872,"text":"三分之一他的效率一定是差的既然這三分之一已經合定了那剩下的三分之二我們盡量不要讓他的進度落後太多盡量讓整條線的效益都能夠彰顯出來我相信院長跟部長應該都同意這樣的觀點吧"},{"start":22992.563,"end":23013.657,"text":"是嘛,好不好,那就後續就繼續拜託。那接下來我想請問一下院長,你應該有開過車嘛,你有駕照嘛,對不對?有嘛,對不對?那其實我們開車,就是道教條例都有規定嘛齁,要打方向燈嘛,齁,下一張。齁,那其實打方向燈好像是一個很common sense,一個基本的開車應該要基本的一個"},{"start":23015.314,"end":23033.494,"text":"的能力或是說沒有開車的人也知道好像要怎麼打方向呢?但是實際上不是,因為我們台灣的道路並不是都像很多台北市的都市規劃的道路,都是棋盤式的、工整式的。 所以說我前幾天有邀請我們的交通部跟警政署來研討一下,因為有很多一些奇怪的路段"},{"start":23034.235,"end":23056.296,"text":"那到底要怎麼打方向燈,要不要打?那以這個路口來講,其實我這些路段都是當初清北市政府警察局政府清北市政府警察局提供的一些路段,那大家一起來討論一下疑義啦那這個就是Google的路況圖,那左下角當然就是每一張的左下角就是它的俯視圖啦那我想請問一下院長,如果說你開車到這邊來了"},{"start":23057.777,"end":23084.233,"text":"那你要往這條就是圓通路那你要往左切就是貨車的方向去切看起來左岸地方您會不會打左轉燈?如果是右邊那張圖往左邊走是不是我們的方向是阿應該是往左邊走往左邊走要不要打方向燈那如果這條是幹道他應該算直行吧欸院長還算有一點概念對他不用打方向燈好那下一張"},{"start":23087.623,"end":23102.708,"text":"第二這條路就很好笑了當然這也是地方政府的問題一條路開到這邊來往前走是叫廉聖街往左走也叫廉聖街那您看一下右邊這邊如果說你要順著路往左邊走的話要不要打方向燈右邊這張圖對右邊這張圖往右邊像這個機車這樣子走往左走嗎對"},{"start":23111.867,"end":23122.279,"text":"應該也是同樣道理吧,還是他,因為這樣看不出哪一條是主要的道路。對,其實左邊應該是換道路。有換線的應該是主要道路。對,好,那所以說院長的答案應該是?"},{"start":23124.85,"end":23142.347,"text":"要不要打?如果是往左邊走,他有畫中間一條線是不是?不曉得。如果是沿著這樣線,沿著線走應該是不用打方向燈?對,我也認為應該不用,但是這個路口真的很特殊,他前面一定要連線接,所以這可能牽扯到地方主管機關到底怎麼認定誰是,哪一條是主要幹道的續行。"},{"start":23142.887,"end":23142.907,"text":"左邊﹖對"},{"start":23170.814,"end":23174.377,"text":"路口有右轉標示跟左轉標示,那如果說我們順著右邊的路,摩托車這條路走"},{"start":23193.997,"end":23207.694,"text":"兩邊都有摩托車,是哪一個?右邊右邊,走右邊這條?可能要按那個三角形的,兩邊都讓他亮吧?走右邊的,當然右邊是幹道啦,我跟院長說右邊是幹道啦,如果是幹道是一樣,那如果說往右轉的話?右轉幹道是不用嗎?"},{"start":23214.605,"end":23240.531,"text":"其實部長也是因為這麼問,應該是跟剛剛的答案相反。應該是不用啦,但其實連部長都有疑問了。就代表我們其實大眾對要不要打方向燈這件事情,在現行的法規其實大家沒有一致的高度的共識啦,包括我們的交通部有解釋,我等一下再給您看一下。那可能包括民眾啊,或者是警察單位,其實大家有不同的見解啦。我們直接往後面,再下一張。"},{"start":23242.452,"end":23243.073,"text":"車輛1該條道路現行轉彎行駛時"},{"start":23259.135,"end":23279.137,"text":"非屬車輛不依該道路原方向行駛的轉向行為那駕駛人不需要顯示方向燈所以院長剛剛講的很多的答案應該都是幾乎都是對的那這個轉這個依道路行駛那他不包括穿越入口如果說包括穿越入口那包括地上有沒有"},{"start":23279.817,"end":23306.767,"text":"左彎線或右彎線,因為剛剛有一張圖是我們有右彎的標示跟左彎的標示,我們往右走,那院長也認為不用打方向燈。 但是實務上我們的基層或是我們的交通單位在對於道路的標線跟要不要打方向燈這件事情的時候,其實是沒有掛鉤的。 因為沒有掛鉤所以說院長知道剛剛那條路往右邊走的時候,你可以跳到那一張,往右邊走的時候你知道是不用打方向燈的。"},{"start":23308.473,"end":23332.399,"text":"就這一張因為你看左邊這邊他其實是有右轉箭頭的那原則上其實他是不用打方向燈因為他是照著道路線行走那所以說其實我那個現在的這個運輸研究所交通部運輸運營所也有發現打方向燈這一件事情因為最近的檢舉案件真的很多那警察同仁他每一個因為每一個員警同仁他對於"},{"start":23333.697,"end":23355.102,"text":"他對於路口要不要打方向燈這件事情他自己本身的法治的觀念可能都不一定有院長那麼好他可能覺得有右轉箭頭我就要打右轉燈我龍頭右轉我的方向盤右轉我就要打方向燈那其實是錯誤的觀念那我也希望說這件事情因為這每天都在發生很多民眾都啞巴吃黃蓮說到的就算了嘛那有時候申訴也是"},{"start":23356.172,"end":23367.632,"text":"也是到了警察維持原判裁決所也是原則會尊重舉發單位啦好不好希望每天都有很多這樣的事情那我希望我們的交通部競速"},{"start":23369.966,"end":23391.048,"text":"研討會結束之後,我請我們交通部儘速的提供一些解釋函,最好是有一些入口的範例給地方所有的警政單位去參考,讓他們希望在執法上面有一致的標準。那後續可能我們交通部對於用路人,因為打方向燈最重要的是大家有一致的概念,才不會誤會前車打方向燈是什麼意思。"},{"start":23392.169,"end":23412.45,"text":"最重要的就是提示候車嘛所以當大家有一致的觀念那一致的執法的時候那我們打方向燈才是安全的也才不會出現許多的烏龍罰單好不好那就部長後續麻煩你那包括議員所後續他可能會提出一些方針指引那也是我們盡快的把它提出來好不好這一點好謝謝好那另外喔這個"},{"start":23414.639,"end":23434.711,"text":"下一個議題我問一下院長你應該有在操場跑過步對不對?是那你應該知道操場的一些規則跑步的規則跑步的人會在哪些跑道?會在跑步的人會在哪些跑道跑步?哪些跑道?對沿著操場的跑道?對他有1、2、3、4、5、6、7個跑道"},{"start":23438.117,"end":23455.352,"text":"跑步的人會在內側跑道啦越快的人會在最快的人會在最內側跑道然後次快的在內二然後內三那原則上外面的五六七八就是給一般的散步民眾使用這是一般的運動場的規定也不是規定啦就是大家的一個高度共識為什麼會這樣子規定"},{"start":23457.81,"end":23463.598,"text":"對,速度這件事情一樣才不會發生碰撞,這是非常重要的。 我也認同這樣的觀念,那當然運動場都是用這樣。 但是我們的道路上卻有發現在規範上面"},{"start":23475.253,"end":23496.108,"text":"就是說我們在運動場上面這樣規範的時候,我們不會去管他是大人、小孩、老年人,或者是我是瘦的人、我是胖的人,我有不同的跑道的規範嘛,對不對?我們就是單純用速度來規範我們要跑哪個跑道,但是我們的道路卻不是這樣子的規範,我們的道路很明確的就分汽車跟機車,但是我們的市區的道路,"},{"start":23496.989,"end":23509.776,"text":"的限速一般來說大概就是5050這個速度是所有機車幾乎都可以輕易達到的一個速度但是我們卻限制所有的機車他可能只能在最外側跟外二的跑道這是我們的交通規範裡面所訂定的99條那邊嘛"},{"start":23512.717,"end":23538.32,"text":"那所以說很多路權的機車路權團體都在提這件事情阿我們要提倡交通安全的時候我們是應該是用速度分流用方向來分流左轉彎的車靠左邊右轉彎的車靠右直行的車靠中間那如果說都是直行車的話呢你快車的時候要靠哪邊應該是速度跟方向的分流而不是用車種的分流我不知道因為部長您算是交通的素人阿好不好"},{"start":23538.86,"end":23542.464,"text":"我昨天有跟路權團體碰面過、也座談過,這個議題我們有討論過,所以這個部分沒有問題,我們也會輔導地方政府在進行機車的車道盡量減少。"},{"start":23561.087,"end":23565.089,"text":"大會主席江啟臣副院長各位列席官員大家好主席有請行政院左院長交通部陳部長"},{"start":23590.25,"end":23590.513,"text":"左院長陳部長請備詢"},{"start":23599.435,"end":23627.855,"text":"委員長好 委員長好 委員長好 委員長好首先恭喜部長能夠來 我想 剛才跟你講一句話 希望未來在台中地方市府海上所有的交通建設 大家可以密切的合作 讓台中海上的保溫能夠快速的提升 能夠衍接整個直轄市的交通狀態能夠往上的來成長 我覺得各位發表了"},{"start":23632.058,"end":23641.967,"text":"沙鹿要設站捷運通龍井發展新產業臺中大振興請教院長部長這個看到這個有沒有熟悉的感覺"},{"start":23646.544,"end":23650.245,"text":"這兩段文字我想這是2013年我們陳部長當時在參選立委時的政見這裏面有很多件事"},{"start":23662.409,"end":23680.969,"text":"人們現在遇到很大的困難第一就是我們台鐵海線班次一直無法增加受限的原因就是因為它是單軌那車次無法提升造成了班次少然後乘客意願低落的主要原因"},{"start":23681.73,"end":23705.635,"text":"那我在日前向交通部鐵道局詢問目前海線雙軌高架的進度﹖他的回答是113年6月23日含請臺中市政府回應修正報告書。那臺中市政府科證依國發會審查意見修正報告書在臺中市政府113年2月23日提報可行性修正報告給交通部。"},{"start":23707.089,"end":23721.52,"text":"三、10月29日部在報院續審。 國發會6月19日函送審查意見給交通部﹐每一次意見修正、補正、公文往返﹐花費的時間不只是時間﹐"},{"start":23722.961,"end":23741.002,"text":"按照現在通膨跟物價上漲的速度每一次預算都往上攀升那如果今天台中市政府再次提報修正計畫給交通部部再報院、院再交國發會、國發會又再提修正意見一次就半年了"},{"start":23741.85,"end":23768.339,"text":"一次往返這半年,這半年半年這樣到現在來,我每一次在總執行山炊事情,都是在為國家要節省預算,要希望這個交通的建設能夠加快速度。那今天院長跟部長我在這邊要請教你,有沒有更快的速度、更好的效率,能夠讓這個案子能夠盡速的核定,可不可以告訴我一個時間表。"},{"start":23769.629,"end":23785.043,"text":"好,報告委員,這件事情其實確實,現在台中市政府正在修訂計畫書當中,不過其實每次往返我也覺得這樣很浪費時間,所以我也有拜託我們的鐵道局,他們也確實也趕快去催促了台中市政府在8月2號、8月22號跟9月27"},{"start":23787.785,"end":23817.465,"text":"都喊請市政府要儘速的提供這個修正的報告書那目前為止市政府還沒提供來但是我跟委員承諾如果他提來了我們在布的這個程序上面我們會盡量來加速因為這也是長期我們在爭取的一個希望有的一個地方的建設那當時在甚至在胡志強市長在擔任市長的時候我就跟蔡其昌委員一起去爭取了可行性評估的這個經費那也當然過了很多年鄉親都很期盼交通部一定會來加速所以這一點您放心"},{"start":23821.327,"end":23839.735,"text":"海線雙軌高架目前經費中央負擔221億台中市府負擔177億如果再拖下去未來造價會更高此外烏日大慶捷運高架化這個部分這是我們補充你的選區給你替路告解這部分從2013年"},{"start":23846.277,"end":23855.084,"text":"到現在超過11年了一直在耽擱,我不曉得說中央到底誰在卡在卡什麼,為什麼這個進度都沒有辦法提前"},{"start":23855.765,"end":23877.644,"text":"那現在的程序一樣在今年的3月23日曾報行政院續審、續行審議。那國發會在6月19日又函送審議的審查意見又交給交通部。 鐵道局6月27日又函請臺中市府回應及修正報告。 所以我剛才說的,你給我回答的,這次我又跟你說"},{"start":23879.325,"end":23886.83,"text":"這個部分來來往往來來往往短短的3.7公里總預算才83億到現在還卡在中央"},{"start":23887.657,"end":23910.994,"text":"那如果說,上個會期我們也辦理會館考察,那現在到底是在卡什麼?你到底可以告訴我們說,你的臨來,保定你的臨來,我就當工嗎?這案件我就合定當工嗎?這個案子跟剛剛的那個海線雙軌高架其實是同一個案子,他們併在一起,所以我剛剛有報告過,現在我們的交通"},{"start":23911.534,"end":23911.835,"text":"交通部會加速"},{"start":23921.444,"end":23943.22,"text":"這個我們東北地區重要的,我們的鐵路建設、軌道建設,如果溝通上有問題、有困難,我願意說我們來召開一個中央跟地方的協調會議,那也請院長、部長,如果可以請你們來參加,讓我們把所有的問題都釐清,到底中央在卡?誰在卡?還是地方有什麼?"},{"start":23944.04,"end":23948.963,"text":"報告委員,如果這個是部長當年選舉提出的政見,那我想部長要再謹慎的去跟地方了解一下。因為他沒有當選,是不是地方的人士不希望他這麼做?"},{"start":23967.932,"end":23990.158,"text":"這十幾年齁 如果沒有大家這個彼此的 我跟你講 現在台中市政府卡在中央的款項 中央的核定跟補助 地方沒有辦法靠一己之力 台中市政府做不來 一定要有中央的幫助 所以我希望說我們院長跟部長能夠大力的來促成"},{"start":23991.178,"end":24012.427,"text":"接下來我再來提就是我們高鐵特區現在積極發展烏日高鐵特區然後將台中發展成會議及會展中心導入觀光、休閒、商務等進駐台中這部分在現在的高鐵有一個投資案投資金額超過260億開發面積超過15公頃"},{"start":24016.509,"end":24045.489,"text":"新建全國最大的購物商城,影城,五星級酒店,還有A級辦公大樓,購物中心的樓地擺面積超過9萬平,規模是臺中新光三列加上大圓擺的1.6倍大,臺北101的4.8倍,預計在115年第4季要完工,將會是全臺最大的百貨購物商城,但在這個美好的憧憬之下,我們臺中人最擔心的就是交通的瓶頸,"},{"start":24046.881,"end":24060.762,"text":"10月15日禮拜二我們江副院長也邀請部長率領交通部的團隊進行討論本席的辦公室也有例席參加那現在知道就是說一個月內要組成專案小組要針對國道一一增設交流道"},{"start":24061.502,"end":24064.163,"text":"有請部長告訴我預期的目標跟方向是什麼"},{"start":24085.024,"end":24112.558,"text":"預期的目標跟方向我們當然希望未來整個商城起來之後那個地方不要有交通打擊的狀況那目前當然所謂的交通的輸運剛剛委員有提到那邊蠻複雜的有高鐵有台鐵有捷運還有高速公路還有快速道路那當然重要的是市區道路在那個地方要連結出來也是很重要那目前台中市政府正在辦理就是高鐵特定區那個地方的整個交通的整體的規劃"},{"start":24113.658,"end":24133.039,"text":"那目前他們的案子其實蠻多有臺灣轉移 有沒有溝通?部長有跟市政府溝通嗎?跟市政府交通局做過溝通嗎?那一天我在江副院長那邊有說過了齁我跟你講現在你也知道 交通部會進入來協助我目前也已經折成了運研所、高工局跟公路局各單位大家一起參與跟他們一起來討論做一個專案的處理"},{"start":24135.846,"end":24153.298,"text":"現在高鐵特區光是上下班時間,車輛回堵到高架橋上,這是每天都發生的。未來,這個115年商城完工之後,那個會非常的困難,所以你們現在一定要儘早提早來啟動。那另外,我要再提醒,"},{"start":24154.269,"end":24180.672,"text":"除了王田這個國道1號烏日閘道的偵測部分那我相信我們高工局這個部分他有提出要偵測閘道的困難但是我希望交通部能夠盡以你們的專業然後來了解能夠來積極的協調如果能夠偵測這個烏日閘道的部分利用烏日區他的現有的一個道路的一個路廊"},{"start":24181.152,"end":24181.292,"text":"主席"},{"start":24191.805,"end":24211.861,"text":"因為烏日地區我們知道這10年來移入的人口超過1萬人那尤其都是集中在高鐵特區那原本交通的負擔就很大加上這個鐵道局的促參案未來會更吃緊所以中央千萬不要袖手旁觀中央能做的一定要先啟動這一點部長能不能做到"},{"start":24212.919,"end":24221.233,"text":"這一點我們已經要組專案小組了,所以這個部分委員不用擔心,江副院長有出面協調,這個部分我們交通部會來協助。"},{"start":24223.046,"end":24242.238,"text":"好,再來,剛剛提到的這個議題,鐵道建設,那所有的捷運,臺中的捷運都是,不管是北捷、高捷都經歷過這樣的陣痛期,都有點線面來形成這個捷運路網,那都是因為一開始的路線不完整,轉程的困難,民眾搭乘運不足,"},{"start":24243.098,"end":24263.371,"text":"所以現在台中除了綠線已經通車,藍線可行性評估核定,那目前正在進行的機場捷運,還有我們的機場捷運就是橘線,那捷運藍線延伸到太平,捷運紫線就是我們屯區環狀線,還有捷運綠線延伸到大坑及彰化的部分,"},{"start":24264.042,"end":24291.041,"text":"那我今天要說的是捷運局限的部分因為他串聯屯區霧峰然後臺中火車站最後來到臺中國際機場那我想了解一下目前的進度那依照我現在所知道的就是113年7月2號的時候交通部召開捷運的審查會原則上同意那請臺中市政府依審查意見修正目前呢臺中市政府正在修正當中"},{"start":24292.102,"end":24318.106,"text":"我們在跟施政委的交通局還有鐵道局在沙路會刊主要是希望能夠透過爭取局限的延伸段然後呢這個由台中機場延伸到沙路與臺灣大道的南線做銜接就如同剛剛本席前面講到的捷運要達到路網的程度才能提升旅客的乘車意願那未來這個路線看起來最長"},{"start":24318.947,"end":24319.228,"text":"臨時提案"},{"start":24322.813,"end":24348.598,"text":"那原先規劃的捷運局限只有在台中火車站跟南線有交會所以希望能夠在海線也可以有交會處這樣可以擴大整個捷運的路網那以支線的方式讓捷運局限跟南線有更完善的一個轉乘機制能夠串聯台中港及台中國際機場就能夠形成更完整的打造捷運路網來發揮運輸的最大效益"},{"start":24349.398,"end":24351.22,"text":"兩段的延伸線,院長、部長可不可以支持?"},{"start":24373.944,"end":24388.776,"text":"報告委員,這個部分其實局限正在臺中市政府它的可研當中,所以延伸的部分其實可以放得進去,那如果有需要經費可研的部分,可簡訊研究的部分有需要經費,交通部也都支持。"},{"start":24389.569,"end":24404.638,"text":"所以我們在15號的時候我們副院長這邊召集的這個協商會議 院長部長部長當你們做成協議就是說把延伸的部分也一併提出納入這一次的一個一個會議一個修正那好那我想"},{"start":24406.718,"end":24434.754,"text":"院長部長如果支持我希望說這不是口頭上最主要就是行動行動的支持最重要那臺中市已經成為第二大城市那也是我們國冷藍奶北氧必經之地都要經過臺中那未來臺中的發展也是對整個臺灣有一個最臺中的發展對臺灣的幫助也最大臺中市每一年創稅給中央接近2000億"},{"start":24436.192,"end":24461.904,"text":"那但是中央不管透過統籌分配或者是其他的一般補助到回到台中的都不足大概在800億左右那這樣子的部分所以我們希望在任何的不管是尤其是交通建設不要大小眼我們看台中也好、高雄也好、台南也好不要把台中看作最衰末台中的比例永遠是最少"},{"start":24462.324,"end":24479.462,"text":"所以這部分我希望既然部長你容認了你能夠擔任這個交通部的部長那過去你的選區在我們大烏龍希望你能夠重視我們台中市的發展好 院長部長平常有在搭乘大眾捷運系統嗎"},{"start":24480.657,"end":24482.458,"text":"目前台鐵我是有承諾在過年之前"},{"start":24511.909,"end":24539.212,"text":"好,謝謝言委員。好,左院長還有陳部長,剛剛言委員質詢這些問題都對大台中未來的發展至關重要,所以請務必專案來處理,超前部署。那可以的話應該實地來了解一下,不要最後變五路打結,我們希望是五路財神,中央地方合作一起來解這個交通的結。"},{"start":24540.592,"end":24544.995,"text":"好,下一位我們請謝一鳳委員質詢。謝謝江副院長。我想要請卓院長、陳部長、還有公共工程的陳主委。卓院長、陳部長、陳主委,預備請。"},{"start":24574.011,"end":24575.876,"text":"建委好主委好"},{"start":24579.755,"end":24606.834,"text":"我想請問一下就是陳主委在宜蘭的鐵路高價化的時候你有提到就是他們總預算是501.29億然後中央補助395.57億地方是105.72億可是你因為就是他的財力分級是3到5級中間所以你降低了就是"},{"start":24607.614,"end":24626.628,"text":"依然的這個自籌款是不是?你能不能說明一下?跟委員報告,這個是關於土地取得的部分,用地取得的部分因為將來是屬於國營、台灣鐵路公司所有,所以我們評估用地由中央來負擔。"},{"start":24627.881,"end":24650.394,"text":"另外就是調度機場,機場將來也是調度場,調度場這部分也是跟用地取得一樣,是由中央來負擔。 那麼除此之外,那是因為他的財政等級是第4級,所以是按照這個非自償性的按照比例來分配。"},{"start":24651.872,"end":24678.134,"text":"那這是我們彰化縣的彰化市的鐵路高架那你看我們的用地費用是26.17億那我們非自償性的經費是48.3億那可以降低多少?非自償性是因為中央地方按照財政等級來分配阿你如果基於你剛才說的用地因為未來這些都是屬於台鐵的"},{"start":24680.08,"end":24682.802,"text":"在做綜合規劃的過程當中,你能不能說一下基地費可以省多少?"},{"start":24702.435,"end":24702.995,"text":"目前正在綜合規劃"},{"start":24728.274,"end":24730.275,"text":"我們的財政等級是跟宜蘭的一樣嘛,都是第4級嘛,在這個情況下為什麼會有這樣子的差別?"},{"start":24749.482,"end":24770.383,"text":"我跟委員報告,因為宜蘭的鐵路高架已經完成環評了,已經在進入細部設計,所以他馬上就要提綜合規劃。所以如果等到完成環評,然後進入綜合規劃的時候,那可以比照宜蘭的方式嗎?"},{"start":24772.062,"end":24798.403,"text":"我們這個可以另案協商,到時候我們會再來協商。你沒有承諾阿,陳部長你沒有承諾阿。每一個縣市的狀況不一樣。你能不能比照宜蘭的部分?是不是可以比照宜蘭的部分?我們會來協商,但是現在宜蘭也還沒定案。對對對,可是剛才那個陳主委說的,他已經協助了嘛。那未來如果完成環評,可以比照嗎?大家可以專案來協商阿。可不可以比照?"},{"start":24799.399,"end":24826.656,"text":"專案協商要看縣政府所提出的需求是什麼?還有今年李孟彥部長他來到彰化就是看76縣相關的延伸案的時候他提到了對於未來就是二林中科的用水用電是朝著一個開放的方向 左院長該不會現在交通部長換人了"},{"start":24829.167,"end":24831.528,"text":"是不是整個規劃就會改變?那他當初說用水用電"},{"start":24850.325,"end":24868.841,"text":"會朝著開放的方向,那可以爭取讓更多高科技AI的相關產業進到20中科,因為現在中科它的使用沒有超過一半,那未來"},{"start":24870.302,"end":24899.43,"text":"我們經過了76縣的延伸,它是怎麼樣子?銜接1號到3號以及61縣從北到彰化這裡都已經通車了嘛,是不是?那如果在這樣子的情況下造成這邊路網的方便,那是不是可以把20中科的用水用電也都放寬它的限制呢?可不可以?"},{"start":24900.356,"end":24918.355,"text":"目前各個地方縣市的首長都很積極在招商尤其歡迎高科技甚至是國際大廠去設廠那必須考慮到這個地區他自己縣市或是周遭鄰近地區整個能源的供應能不能配得上所有的快速的發展"},{"start":24919.716,"end":24941.857,"text":"張嬅縣是離岸豐電的主要的豐廠那也提供了非常多綠能相關的那在就這個部分的確對於張嬅縣民來說如果沒有高科技高科技最需要的綠電都是由張嬅來提供的時候那為什麼"},{"start":24943.725,"end":24968.518,"text":"獨厚其他的縣市,為什麼行政院都沒有考慮到彰化縣呢?行政院沒有不考慮到哪一個縣市?你認為為什麼沒有考慮到彰化縣呢?沒有不考慮到哪一個縣市?只要地方上能夠提出一個有充裕的土地,經過合理的開發,那麼也有充裕的水源,那麼能源的供應上,它也不會造成太大的負擔或是困擾。是不是因為換了部長?"},{"start":24972.02,"end":24996.609,"text":"過去李孟彥部長他就是彰化人,他說的時候對於彰化就特別的友善,現在因為我們陳部長他是台中人,所以在相關建設的考量上面就沒有對於彰化未來的規劃以及發展。"},{"start":24998.249,"end":24999.53,"text":"二零中科的用水用電"},{"start":25017.546,"end":25020.147,"text":"的地方要提出或是委員提出"},{"start":25033.635,"end":25052.129,"text":"行政院沒改組嗎?是不是?行政院現在沒有改組嗎?只有換了閣員啦!或是地方政府提出它有什麼樣的需求,我們會進行評估可行性怎麼樣做,以及配合整個周遭的公共建設設施怎麼來執行。這個是整套的,而不是說,我要給你方便,那就..."},{"start":25052.89,"end":25053.35,"text":"張嬅縣政府已經提出申請了。"},{"start":25082.79,"end":25084.151,"text":"再來就是我們今年是不是對於高鐵的用電有給予補助?"},{"start":25113.373,"end":25136.321,"text":"高鐵他應該沒有特別給補助沒有給補助嗎?他的用電有沒有漲價?跟大家都一樣所以他用電是有漲的嗎?是有漲的他用電有漲嗎?有,他有漲那所以高鐵的票價有可能要漲價嗎?報告委員,目前高鐵沒有在討論票價調漲的問題所以沒有?不會漲價?目前還沒有討論到這個"},{"start":25139.741,"end":25164.111,"text":"所以你的意思是高鐵的票價不會漲價嗎目前沒有討論漲價所以應該沒有漲價這個議題這是第一點那第二點我有提醒高鐵公司在他們營運的狀況還可以的狀況底下要考慮到自己要擔負這個公共運輸大家通勤的這個責任因為運輸本來就是一個通勤上面的責任必須要負起"},{"start":25165.336,"end":25169.957,"text":"高鐵票價會不會漲價?不會漲價嗎?所以你承諾未來不會漲價?我很難承諾多久的未來我不曉得還是委員您定義一下多久的未來?"},{"start":25189.935,"end":25217.305,"text":"目前不會因為電價的調漲而漲價,我能跟您這樣說。那未來票價會不會漲?未來,至少...今年票價會不會漲?你要定義嘛,今年票價會不會漲?對,今年不會漲。那明年會不會漲?你現在是保證今年不會漲?那明年會不會漲?我要看高鐵公司有沒有提出來要漲價的方案,如果他有提出來我們再來討論,但目前為止高鐵公司並沒有提出漲價的方案。"},{"start":25219.283,"end":25225.769,"text":"我們希望未來能不能再彰化,再增加班次呢?"},{"start":25227.014,"end":25248.938,"text":"因為我看到現在其實彰化的高鐵站已經越來越多人搭乘了。 在這樣的情況下過去李部長他今年來的時候有在田中站增加了高鐵的班次。 未來我們是不是可以繼續增加高鐵的班次呢?"},{"start":25249.298,"end":25264.165,"text":"高鐵班次因為我們有一個班次的整體調整所以全國各地其實都有增加班次那彰化如果委員希望再多增加一些我來去跟高鐵公司來商量這件事看他們可不可以研議一下看在彰化站我們再來增加班次"},{"start":25264.773,"end":25286.648,"text":"我希望我們政府的這個施政不應該要分縣市我們應該共同的協助就是所有各縣市那如果在於我們20中科的這個用水用電方面因為我們知道現在AI的需求很旺盛"},{"start":25287.449,"end":25287.489,"text":"是沒錯"},{"start":25303.553,"end":25318.221,"text":"那是不是能請卓院長可以大力的促成我們解除二齡中科用水用電的限制的這個問題呢?跟委員報告第一件事情您剛剛說的跟我的想法完全一致我們就是均衡台灣"},{"start":25319.221,"end":25333.799,"text":"各個族群均衡,各個地域均衡,各個產業均衡。你講的一致是說均衡台灣的部分一致,但是二齡中科的用水用電的限制放寬沒有一致,是不是?高鐵的部分它也是個營運的公司,它如果認為市場需要"},{"start":25334.56,"end":25336.881,"text":"臨時提案委員：完整會議臨時提案委員．完整會議臨時提案委員．完整會議"},{"start":25353.946,"end":25360.631,"text":"所以,就是說,你認為未來20中科的用水用電是可以開放的,是不是?要看是什麼樣的廠商,多少廠商要來,他能夠提供多少。"},{"start":25383.772,"end":25410.824,"text":"我們不夠用什麼方式來解決所以你認為二零中科的這個用水用電是可以開放的是不是我現在不敢這麼認為我看實際的需要有多少你剛才就說可以阿實際的需要我不知道你剛才就說可以阿怎麼現在又說不行實際有多少廠商要來他會用電用水用多少你為什麼會剛才就說可以阿只要提出申請你就大力協助嘛就可以嘛是不是只要提出申請你就大力協助嗎"},{"start":25412.005,"end":25415.867,"text":"我希望我希望在你下台前我們可以看到你大力的協助我們彰化縣用水用電以及我們交通建設好不好"},{"start":25433.618,"end":25458.171,"text":"你剛剛第一個條件我很不能跟你講時間我當然知道我就是希望啊在你下台前我們可以在彰化的交通建設在我們的用水用電都可以獲得行政院的協助啊好不好你快點讓我下台我就快點讓你承諾你的所以你是希望下台的是不是如果能夠讓政局穩定的話好謝謝謝謝院長好謝謝謝委員"},{"start":25464.236,"end":25475.687,"text":"謝謝卓院長。 報告院會現在在一場二樓旁聽席的是臺北市立大學城市發展學系的同學。 我們在此歡迎你們來立法院參訪。"},{"start":25480.26,"end":25494.244,"text":"發言會賴會員委員陳冠廷委員之質詢均以書面提出請行政院書面答覆並列入紀錄刊登空報下一位我們請鄭振賢委員質詢主席好我想請一下卓榮泰院長卓院長請備詢"},{"start":25516.488,"end":25535.8,"text":"院長好,NCC組織法其實在7月31日的時候總統府已經公佈了,明後來的時候其實還是用代理主委的方式去做這個事情,你覺得這個決策有沒有玩法弄權的嫌疑?"},{"start":25536.84,"end":25558.776,"text":"跟委員報告,我這個完全是一個必要的權宜措施,否則的話NCC在那個之後會變成無法執行它的政策跟業務,那這樣對國家的影響,對人民的影響會很大。 院長,因為我在想說,這個代理局這事情的時候,因為我知道說你們用的是NCC組織法的第16條,那某個部分它確實是有一些"},{"start":25561.018,"end":25585.569,"text":"可以解釋的空間可是我們也覺得這個代理主委這個確實有爭議因為我們確實也那個修正了這個法律可是我現在要講的是說就是溫伯中之前在暫代NCC主委的時候惹議那行政院這邊的說法是說依法辦理那麼NCC的前任委員林立雲跟王維京他們發文痛批NCC內部腐化"},{"start":25587.264,"end":25608.644,"text":"如為首長制,就溫伯中在10月7號的時候,受訪跳出來說他是依法行政,絕無不法。 院長你怎麼看這事情?從機關內部出來的人,對機關的批評,我想NCC包括代理主委跟所有的NCC同仁,甚至包括行政院都應該非常重視,如果屬實,"},{"start":25610.993,"end":25630.907,"text":"我聽到NCC在講依法行政的時候喊得這麼大聲我真的覺得非常非常的諷刺因為我覺得NCC根本就是打著依法行政的旗幹著違法亂政的事情我為什麼這麼講勒?"},{"start":25634.602,"end":25663.891,"text":"院長,你知道中天案在高等行政法院的時候判決下來,你有沒有看過這個證文、判決書?有。你看過判決書對不對?沒有很詳細,但我知道整個狀況。所以他的情況很清楚地講到判決處主文裡面就很清楚地講到說原處分撤銷。院長你知道這件事情嘛對不對?是。你知道理由嗎?"},{"start":25667.381,"end":25686.497,"text":"這個判決來來去去有的是針對程序上的,很少針對實質內容的,我知道這個狀況是如此。所以判決處文很清楚地講到原處分撤銷,那個莫某宗你已經進到院會裡面來,那個我不擋你上台可是你不要講話,我不擋你上台你不要講話,來。"},{"start":25688.098,"end":25716.076,"text":"那個在中天換照案的那個訴訟案判決書裡面第21頁 院長他很清楚的直接講到說違反換照審查辦法第11條第三項後段就未來6年營運計畫各審查項目之評分基準規定 形同改變執照之合法標準 容以造成該五個審查項目之決策事實基礎錯誤"},{"start":25718.021,"end":25728.947,"text":"而資訊不完全,足以影響所評,為審議不予換照之結論,無從推算回復,原處分自與法有違。﹖"},{"start":25735.37,"end":25753.918,"text":"原處分與法有違,很清楚喔,所以為什麼我剛剛聽到翁柏宗在講說他完全依法行政的時候,我真的覺得超級諷刺,現在高等行政法院完全透過他的判決書狠狠地打臉NCC,"},{"start":25756.175,"end":25769.668,"text":"在這樣的一個情況之下的時候,院長你有什麼看法?我剛剛有請教代理主委,他說他現在NCC基於他的質詢,他已經在上訴當中,既然在上訴,那這個在法院當中還要做最後的這個決定齁。"},{"start":25774.511,"end":25795.838,"text":"我們絕對尊重這些法律的程序可是在高等行政法院當中的判決書上寫得非常非常的清楚院長我直接跟你講一下他很清楚講到了NCC怎麼樣子違法亂政109年11月的時候中天換照的時候"},{"start":25797.659,"end":25816.168,"text":"根據衛星廣播電視事業及境外衛星廣播電視事業深色審查辦法,它在107年就已經更改了修正的所有的評分標準。NCC在109年的時候還是用105年的標準來做審查。"},{"start":25820.407,"end":25841.198,"text":"院長這麼簡單的一個邏輯的狀態我嚴重的懷疑NCC是蓄意是公然違法我跟委員提醒或許法律上大家還是可以再進一步去研究 申請設立的深色的審查跟所謂換照是兩套不同的準則標準來進行的那不能把它混為一談"},{"start":25843.059,"end":25868.666,"text":"換照當中的時候他一樣用了一個這樣子的一個審查的一個標準是判決書裡面針對院長提的這部分也很清楚提到了行政規則他沒有辦法去逾越母法的部分 院長你剛剛我讓汪博東站在你旁邊就是覺得你對這事情可能不一定了解的這麼透徹所以我讓他站在你旁邊可是我不想要讓他透過麥克風來講話因為我覺得他的身份是有爭議的所以"},{"start":25871.465,"end":25885.516,"text":"院長我希望你在針對依法行政這件事情的時候能夠好好的去考量因為NCC很明顯的狀態他打著維持媒體自由的旗幹著"},{"start":25887.037,"end":25901.262,"text":"破壞新聞自由的事情那在這個狀態的時候呢我覺得這個禮拜二的時候我們提到了預算的相關問題提到了原民的一個禁法補償的部分"},{"start":25902.722,"end":25921.427,"text":"針對這個部分我這邊簡單講一下因為它還有更改的機會我們希望因為這兩個禮拜協商沒有成果和解飯也沒有成果下個禮拜還要繼續那我本來期待院長其實是可以說理論法的人那我們希望"},{"start":25922.287,"end":25937.897,"text":"在這個事情當中的時候 院長你要堅持住不要沉淪變成像NCC一樣打著依法行政的旗 幹著破壞違法行政的事情我們希望院長你堅持住這個部分好不好"},{"start":25938.177,"end":25959.452,"text":"我會很堅持 憲法70條憲法的理論還有預算法91條裡面的規定憲法70條這個部分是預算審進來送進立法院的時候我們在審的部分我們沒有辦法去增加它可是我們立法了之後你這邊本來就有依法編列預算的一個責任我在這邊還有一個點就是你對外是說"},{"start":25960.393,"end":25961.414,"text":"就是依照預算法91條"},{"start":25977.169,"end":25996.994,"text":"立法院在審視預算的時候,他要增加稅出的時候,要徵詢行政院的意見。我們現在針對立法的結果出來狀態的時候,你都完全不尊重的時候,我們希望,院長你這邊一定要真正的依法行政,不要沉淪變成像ACC。好,因為我這邊還有第二個問題我要問,就是"},{"start":26001.517,"end":26020.295,"text":"禮拜二的時候我講到桃樹苗大細股計畫那當時也提到了一個部分就是有關於才化法的一個修正那我提到了一個部分就是科學園區大細股計畫這邊的時候他納進去了大新竹輕軌這個計畫院長你知道吧"},{"start":26023.767,"end":26039.622,"text":"那知道這個計畫當中的時候我當時提到了一件事情因為整個財化法的發展過程當中新竹市創稅全國第三可是得到的配回率全國最低"},{"start":26041.229,"end":26055.789,"text":"新竹市平均每一個人貢獻的中央的創稅是65萬,全國最高,比台北市、新北市都高,可是我們配回率是全國最低。你當時提到了一件事情,就說你會用"},{"start":26056.71,"end":26079.203,"text":"一般性的補助給新竹市更多,對不對,我記得你當時是這樣回應。不是我回應,是行政院一直這樣在處理這些問題。可是我們看到的狀態並沒有,新竹市得到了一般性補助的時候,全國倒數第三,只比金門、馬祖高,比澎湖還要低。那這個部分呢,我為什麼特別提到這個情況。地方要提出需求,中央才能夠予以補助。"},{"start":26080.504,"end":26107.567,"text":"院長,所以我特別提到這個部分,我希望院長能夠去落實好久沒有大細股計畫裡面對於大新竹輕軌的一個主張。這邊有一個狀態,就是按地方上面他們去縮時攝影出來的結果的時候,新竹市去科學園區工作,大概平均每個人上下班要花兩個小時以上的車程。"},{"start":26109.352,"end":26137.899,"text":"那我們認為如果新竹市有比較好的交通運輸系統的時候不只是對在園區工作的工程師對大新竹的人來說是好事而且對於竹科產值可以再進一步的向上提升因為每一個工程師幾乎都發他們每天上班時間的四分之一在交通上面所以本席也利用今天這個機會的時候希望院長能夠"},{"start":26139.747,"end":26166.763,"text":"出手來協助大輕軌新竹大輕軌的一個落實那我想請教一下院長你知道現在新竹大輕軌最大的問題在哪裡嗎?新竹縣市之間還是要談出一個可行的方法我們才可以進行有效的可行性的研究跟評估那縣政府市政府應該已經在辦理這個可行可行報告可言報告的一個招標過程我所了解如此"},{"start":26167.503,"end":26168.904,"text":"報告委員﹚目前正在"},{"start":26194.525,"end":26222.856,"text":"新竹市政府在做可行性研究當中,那我們要等到明年的第一季,看他可不可以把可行性研究做完,報來交通部,那交通部該協助的部分都會協助。好,理解齁,院長我跟你提一下狀態齁,因為,大概新竹輕軌碰到兩個很大的問題,一個是沒有錢,所以我禮拜二特別提到財化法的問題,因為地方根本沒有財力去支應這樣子的一個重大建設,"},{"start":26224.198,"end":26253.106,"text":"第二個部分就是溝通的問題現在部長提到新竹市出來整合這樣子的一個可行性研究計畫我必須老實講喔院長你覺得一個跨縣市的一個可行性研究計畫大概需要多少錢看工程的難易度你直覺你覺得以新竹市你對新竹縣市一定熟嘛你對新竹縣市熟你覺得一個這樣的一個大輕軌的一個可行性研究你覺得大概需要多少錢"},{"start":26254.557,"end":26278.219,"text":"數百萬要要吧?數百萬喔?數百萬喔?做不起來,院長你真的不知道米價欸。9月份的時候新竹市政府用2200萬去做一個招標,流標,沒有人要來。因為它牽涉到的範圍非常的大,然後接下來預計要招標的費用大概要到四、五千萬。"},{"start":26279.48,"end":26305.774,"text":"然後我要特別提到因為新竹市政府的團隊跟新竹縣他們在今年3月初的時候拜會前副院長鄭文燦他找了交通部的鐵道局來希望交通部鐵道局他來整合新竹市縣市的一個網絡那當時新竹市政府說好他來做這樣子的一個配合先來做把這個招標動作把它弄出去可是現場他要求鐵道局補助"},{"start":26307.247,"end":26312.291,"text":"大新竹的輕軌對於解決大新竹地區的交通肯定是非常非常重要的那麼我們希望"},{"start":26331.568,"end":26338.852,"text":"交通部這邊能夠扮演起更積極的角色就像逃機一樣就是機場捷運是交通部這邊來做的就像基隆的捷運一開始起頭的研究評估都是鐵道局這邊做的所以我們希望"},{"start":26360.56,"end":26382.756,"text":"大新竹輕軌的時候也能夠比照辦理因為我們在110年曾經提過一個方案到交通部這邊來可是目前是依照113年3月27號的共識由新竹市政府在做理解 當時提出來狀態就卡到兩件事情因為竹科這個部分地方真的沒辦法去整合"},{"start":26383.876,"end":26407.687,"text":"因為他不只是新竹縣市的問題,他還卡到了新竹科學園區的問題。 所以我們希望院長能夠指示部長這邊,針對大新竹輕軌的時候能夠加把力,讓大新竹輕軌變成桃竹苗大細股計畫很重要的一個配套的一個設施。 如果能夠跨到苗栗區,因為"},{"start":26408.487,"end":26409.368,"text":"好謝謝鄭委員謝謝卓院長下一位我們請黃建斌委員質詢"},{"start":26444.1,"end":26449.423,"text":"謝謝 副院長有請卓院長還有交通部陳部長以及我們工程會的陳主委卓院長、陳部長、陳主委請備詢"},{"start":26463.567,"end":26476.26,"text":"委員好 院長好 院長 院長 本席昨天在經濟委員會有跟我們的那個陳部長討論到關於農業產業的問題 因為時間有限 那沒有辦法好好的討論 所以今天也延續來跟我們卓院長來繼續討論這個部分"},{"start":26478.522,"end":26504.9,"text":"那臺灣的農產品,現在有一個很嚴重的問題就是外銷,他們很簡單,他們不懂政治,所以只要把東西賣出去就好,那既然現在我們兩岸有出現一些問題,那在銷售上有一些小狀況,我想很多人就提到說,既然沒賣出去,我們來做加工嘛,我們來做加工,那我本時也看到現在市面上出現像鳳梨啤酒這樣的產品,我覺得讓產業來升級,這個也是一個不錯的方法,"},{"start":26506.14,"end":26534.188,"text":"那另外本土業者就跟本席反映到說其實現在他們壓力很大因為中國大陸進口啤酒到台灣來我想我們在這邊不是要鼓勵說要喝酒啦當然開車不喝酒這個我們一定要倡導不要酒後駕車不過每個國家都有自己的酒類文化像日本的Sake蘇格蘭的威士忌還有德國的啤酒我覺得台灣應該也可以結合我們豐富的農產品來推廣自己台灣的品牌的酒類嘛對不對"},{"start":26535.208,"end":26535.328,"text":"院長 院長"},{"start":26557.314,"end":26581.213,"text":"我們的釀酒現在民間釀酒也相當的蓬勃而且有好幾家的酒廠在世界的評比上也獲得了不錯的成績那如果正照委員所說的幫我們的農產品能夠結合下去那是我們的特色如果能夠往這個方向是好的不過昨天到了這個創新技術的博覽會鳳梨可以抽成纖維做成衣服做成帽子"},{"start":26582.054,"end":26610.723,"text":"恭喜是幸福啦對吧?對好,謝謝院長很正面的回應那我們回到今天我們的主題那,院長今天是交通組的質詢那有些問題本市在星期二的時候已經跟院長您討論過今天會繼續來討論後續希望從您的口中聽到好消息那我們今天工程會的陳主委也有在現場本市也希望工程會可以盡速的成立這次台東因為山脫颱風造成的這個強災的工程"},{"start":26612.003,"end":26630.412,"text":"讓臺東可以早日復原。 主委,我們在10月11日,我帶著交通部次長,還有原民會副主委,還有工程會同仁,前往臺東的災區勘災。 我相信同仁應該有跟你回報這些情況。那這次的災情對臺東傷害非常大。 我們初估的預算重建大概要花超過5億。"},{"start":26632.675,"end":26654.195,"text":"臺東縣作為一個財政五級的窮縣市,相關的災後預備的經費本來就不多,我們急需中央的奧援。本席有兩點請院長還有主委可以來允諾。第一,就是相關公共工程重建的所需資源,中央一定要來協助。第一,災後搶修搶險的工程要省力要快,我們希望工程會能夠在11月點,"},{"start":26655.536,"end":26673.834,"text":"十一月底以前完成相關的審計加速我們災區的重建。 院長、主委,台東的災民是基台中央的關注。 中央最有效的關注是資源的預注。 我相信資源只要到位,臺東的災區能夠早日重建就是對臺東最好的關心。"},{"start":26677.186,"end":26702.378,"text":"報告委員,那麼歷次颱風的災損,那麼工程會都會發函給各縣市政府,那麼針對公共設施的損害,那麼強災強險的部分,各縣市政府如果災損金不夠用,那麼他可以整個鄉鎮公所報起來說報行政院,行政院公共工程委員會協調各部會有的必要去現場"},{"start":26703.439,"end":26706.061,"text":"三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十"},{"start":26720.708,"end":26721.748,"text":"阿對台東印象是什麼?"},{"start":26721.748,"end":26721.888,"text":"非常好"},{"start":26748.496,"end":26750.362,"text":"三位有沒有體驗過台東的慢經濟?"},{"start":26757.407,"end":26785.243,"text":"這是一個非常適合在那邊享受生命的地方如果院長、部長、諸位你們沒有去過的話本席建議你們好好的體驗因為這是屬於臺東的多元民主的這個慢經濟那臺東的觀光已經不是早期人家說的好山好水好無聊我們現在走的是叫做在地的體驗那我們會透過一些大地藝術結像是透過藝術家結合在地人文地景的這個結合讓旅客們能夠感受到當地特別的"},{"start":26785.663,"end":26810.971,"text":"文化,這個就是當年賴總統推動的這個地方創生,那讓我們來台東的UK,我們感受到台東特殊的文化,我想讓台東要體驗這樣的觀光體驗,最重要的是什麼,交通要通嘛,你交通要通嘛,但是從零四零三地震以來,我們台東花東的交通命脈就打結,那迎來觀光客變得非常困難,我們交通三不五時就回去,"},{"start":26812.605,"end":26815.766,"text":"本期這邊有幾點訴求來替我們台東的鄉親要跟院長、部長、主委來請命"},{"start":26843.342,"end":26868.849,"text":"零四零三地震之後我們北圍鐵路跟蘇花公路只要遇到大雨就會發生土石流交通中斷那我想地震之後地貿都有了很大的改變我講政府應該要有新的因應措施嘛那就本期我拿到的這些資料這些地震相關的資料我們台鐵有委託一個那個台鐵委託這個顧問公司這個核定的一個叫做什麼"},{"start":26869.549,"end":26893.1,"text":"鐵路邊坡養護手冊完成邊坡分級及精進分級。部長你知道這個計畫嗎?這個應該是邊坡安全的鞏固。對,對,對,很長的名字,很長的。部長知道這個計畫嗎?欸,知道。部長你知道這是110年的資料嗎?已經,這是111年的,經過大地震之後,我們交通部有沒有重新來做評估?"},{"start":26894.397,"end":26923.005,"text":"如果沒有的話本席要趕快整個編撥的告警系統我們也有重新的檢討而且建置新的整個告警系統這個要趕快重新再評估整個第一次第一報還有整個安全的調查本席這邊也要強調我們政府現在要趕快規劃我們怎麼樣改善我們北回、鐵路還有蘇花公路像是你是不是要改道、改線或者叫新建民隧道甚至我們蘇花改要趕快的來加速進行除此之外本席也要"},{"start":26923.854,"end":26931.703,"text":"要求我們教安部在災害發生之前要趕快做好預防性的一些措施像是你的接駁運輸規劃"},{"start":26934.332,"end":26963.589,"text":"部長氣象局是在林管轄底下嘛你可以第一時間掌握第一手的資料你也可以依照氣象局給你的資訊來針對幾個容易癱瘓的路段做預防性的措施做疏散嘛報告委員這一次在颱風之前的兩天我們就已經開始開會在討論這件事所以其實該做的準備都有做準備那當然有些地方有癱瘓那所幸沒有造成什麼傷亡所以這個部分是我們有盡量在防治了啦"},{"start":26963.677,"end":26964.858,"text":"有時候颱風來的時候,空運也會停,海運也會停。"},{"start":26986.477,"end":26990.339,"text":"院長,這個部分本是要請院長督促江部要改進。我們可以以後發生的事情,我們是怎麼行政?我想這個民眾會很有感啊。 院長你是認同這件事情?"},{"start":27014.202,"end":27035.922,"text":"對,當然這個很多的風災,如果我們這個預警預告的系統能夠很準確的話,事前該做的事情其實都是暗部就行。我們可以先預防嗎?我們可能會落下,我們車上準備好嗎?我們可以先做這個準備,是不是變化先好?這次颱風來的時候就已經在啟動整個海空的這個備援系統。這次南文縣也同樣發生一樣的情況。"},{"start":27040.188,"end":27040.868,"text":"臺北、臺東單程車票多少?火車票?"},{"start":27059.879,"end":27070.627,"text":"一旦蘇花北匯中斷,我們先不要講飛機,民眾從台鐵搭火車到高雄,再搭高鐵到台北的費用是多少?1900元,將近兩倍。"},{"start":27076.127,"end":27101.219,"text":"本市要強調從0403地震之後只要一道大雨,蘇花北回中段就會變成常態。那之前我們都有跟交通部來反映,要求趕快來協調。那交通部每次給我的回覆就是說,臺北到花蓮有加強,臺東呢?他說臺東有啦,但是因為那大城市有背城,還有崗位,所以我們不應該請假啦。部長你知道花蓮飛台北市多少錢嗎?"},{"start":27102.401,"end":27116.842,"text":"一千七,你知道台東飛台北是多少錢嗎,飛機票?兩千五,你如果是跟機票寫相,我相信大城市不會是這樣子的數字啦,對不對?我想我們未來政府數據,數據不能看表,要去看"},{"start":27118.985,"end":27123.788,"text":"臺東縣是一個產業比較單一的縣市,我們民眾普遍說都不是這麼高,本市這邊要求,未來因為災害所增加的交通成本,要由中央來負責協助負擔。"},{"start":27141.547,"end":27164.404,"text":"那最後我們在討論臺東交通離島的問題之前我要在這邊公開跟我們部長說聲謝謝回應我在委員會提到要動長臺鐵車票的這個提案那公開表示我們明年春節前臺鐵不會漲票價這部分我要感謝保定也跟你贊許啦齁那我想不過還有一群人他沒有辦法被照顧到就是離島的居民"},{"start":27167.355,"end":27187.37,"text":"委員長這個畫面有沒有很熟悉?我們第一次這事就先講到,四個月前我們質詢的時候提到,地道南嶼的班機因為氣候影響沒有辦法正常起降,我想過了四個月了,我想交通部你應該有一個明確的做法,是不是可以請部長來說明一下,未來要怎麼做?你說機場的部分嗎?飛機沒有辦法正常起降的問題。"},{"start":27188.463,"end":27207.252,"text":"有時候遇到那個大風真的是沒有辦法,但是在工程上如果可以加強的部分我們其實都會來做。民航局目前針對蘭嶼的機場也正在做加強當中。你說你們的方式是,邁進的方式是什麼?你說機場不能飛的時候嗎?飛機不能正常起降的這個問題。"},{"start":27209.529,"end":27211.31,"text":"謝謝部長部長還是對台東的交通的努力我們也是要謝謝"},{"start":27238.243,"end":27259.129,"text":"院長,我們去年台東機場終於跑到完成的整建,允許大型的客機可以起飛,像B738或A32都可以起降。我們今年在8月在台東縣政府努力下,我們也迎來了第一次越南台東的包機直航,而且在10月份會再追加4次的架次。"},{"start":27260.356,"end":27279.528,"text":"那我知道,其實蔡政府實際投資了很多的經費在做我們整個停機坪跟滑行道的這個整建,那但是我想要問的是說,我們工程完成了,那這麼長的時間沒有使用,我們台東機場的軟硬體可不可以跟得上?坦白跟各位報告齁,"},{"start":27281.173,"end":27308.406,"text":"我每次搭飛機的時候都覺得我們的空橋是裝飾品因為從來沒有用過要不是這次包機我不知道我們的空橋還是好的那我想未來我們台東會越來越多的這樣國際觀光客來台東玩那我們要為了要迎接更多的觀光客我們相應的軟硬體要跟得上那相關的設備改善的部份交通部也要來補全院長讓我們一起把台東的觀光做大讓來台東的旅客更多爭取更多的觀光客好不好"},{"start":27311.441,"end":27330.142,"text":"我們一定努力上次我們約好去台東結果因為颱風來我剛剛還在談就近的時間趕快再到台東去也許不一定看到什麼樣的現場但就未來的發展我們有一個共同的印象共同的影像這樣我們來共同的來努力會比較有聚焦"},{"start":27330.783,"end":27345.36,"text":"謝謝院長,院長臺東是一個,臺東是一個德國的小社會,我常常覺得臺灣何其有幸擁有臺東,因為這裡不僅族群多元,風景美麗,物產豐富,而且人民非常的純樸,"},{"start":27346.681,"end":27363.693,"text":"那再次也要拜託政府不要因為臺東的人口較少而忽略它。我們希望能夠公平地對待臺東,讓臺東擁有更完善的交通系統,讓我們可以發揮臺東特有的慢經濟的實力。謝謝部長,謝謝院長,謝謝我們主委,謝謝。謝謝黃委員,謝謝卓院長。法院會休息5分鐘,休息之後繼續進行質詢,現在休息。"},{"start":27754.329,"end":27758.391,"text":"發言會現在繼續開會,請陳委員操明質詢。副院長好,首先有請我們行政院我們的左院長。請左院長備詢。"},{"start":27787.376,"end":27807.35,"text":"陳委員長好,我今天有很多問題要請你來當忙,來改觀苗栗縣幾個重點交通的問題。我今天對你的主題,一定有你稍微看過,苗栗的牡蠣值得中央大力的支持。"},{"start":27808.567,"end":27829.015,"text":"我這個議員說了幾十年,但是中央一直沒有改進,尤其是苗栗縣是財政被管控的一個縣市,它財政屬於第5級。我提這個意思,不跟你說苗栗縣在95年到182年,它一定替中央創稅4,147億元。"},{"start":27832.916,"end":27845.779,"text":"但是我們在中央的補助,一般性的補助款和同仇分配款,隆重提2,022億,這等於苗栗縣上午中央有2,125億。那我舉例了,一樣5級的財政縣市,一定律師會解決。我們的嘉義縣,"},{"start":27859.806,"end":27872.953,"text":"以95年至82年,中央的創稅才963億,但是中央的補助,包括一般同仇婚配款、家農總、一天兩千四百三十億,"},{"start":27874.553,"end":27892.257,"text":"黨議帖中央結一帖一千四百六十七億,阿賓農管,農政把中央竄稅的時候,95年到112年,兩千六百二十七億,但是他跟中央拿了三千五百八十九億,黨議中央給予九百六十七億。"},{"start":27895.078,"end":27919.337,"text":"這個問題在哪裡呢?就是我們的財政收支花分了,統籌分配管,財政越低的時候你創惠,他沒有多分給你,反而幫你扣下來。所以我再強調這個問題,就是希望你的中央可以了解這個問題,不管現在財政都被控管,我們財政非常的困難,非常的絕境。"},{"start":27920.634,"end":27940.902,"text":"這裏有一個觀念,就是我們地方越發表越在創造,我們越搬越少,所以我今天站在這裏,因為我參與你代表的總經理三十名議員,我了解所有地方家的事情。所以一而再、再而三,我都向總統拜託正視這個問題,跟美國的交通建設盡量跟我們協助幫忙。"},{"start":27945.564,"end":27961.072,"text":"所以在這,我今天有提出幾條。 也希望我在30幾年的參政理、民意代表生涯之中,在這個任期內,我能把這幾條改革,我剩下,這樣我對我鄉親就有改善。 因為時間的關係,我就簡單說,但是我要省一分給那議長拜託拜託全力向我們廟的管道幫忙。"},{"start":27970.197,"end":27981.668,"text":"大西湖計畫來,去搞通的聯絡網,把它完成的話,我們會變成非常有希望、非常有五飯店的一個非常重要的一個宣誓地。"},{"start":27982.794,"end":28003.864,"text":"我第一要說的,我為三者先說,這個鄉鎮才7000多人,前不早撐後不早頓,經過我這幾年一直在地方上把他重要道路去把他開闢。 現在有兩條,就是稀有無稀的合體公共第四期,希望中央給我們全力支持。"},{"start":28004.693,"end":28027.629,"text":"那施政商院長在徐維鄉的時候的幫忙很大,把主要的命脈一直直線的打通。 現在這第四期完成起來,這個給徐維鄉,他聯絡好幾個銅鑼科學園區,跟未來賀龍的科技產業園區,這是盡世界所在,但是交通不方便,廠長說實話。 這點,我們新人的保證行要一定。"},{"start":28032.635,"end":28032.815,"text":"臨時提案委員．"},{"start":28047.677,"end":28072.138,"text":"藍絲、白絲只擔心到一邊的行政院,為南部現在要代替的行政院,但是為北部要進來的事務有困難,所以我現在是白絲藍絲,這點大概是規劃,從規劃好一定解散起來鄉親幫忙錢,這個才是做公德的事情,這樣好嗎?這樣你看到沒有?"},{"start":28073.519,"end":28091.684,"text":"報告委員,這個南出跟北入這兩個之間,現在還有個別不同的問題,尤其是北邊的部分,它是山坡保育地跟生態調查困難比較多,南邊現在開始有一些進行研究,但是也有一些地形上的限制。 我有跟第三名高公子去,他說這個計畫可以,這是我們親自會談的,我們了解地方,安裝進行。"},{"start":28097.146,"end":28099.949,"text":"這是苗栗縣的民主勝地,在這裡你們的票量贏了很多,是通宵產業生命之路。"},{"start":28119.619,"end":28144.502,"text":"阿通宵鎮現在慢慢的沒落,我就要趴邊,阿顧中間的票都贏1點而已。 雖然心有未甘,但是我還是全力以赴把地方建設出來。 就是現在苗栗縣政府跟你們已經規劃費落了,就是銅鑼科學院要趴一條下來跟通宵,才能幫助地方產業的發展。 你大家看這個內容,我希望,"},{"start":28145.143,"end":28172.551,"text":"一條一條是很重要,而且這地方真的很重要,你院長下來保證下來,你來看,我這個都是很有前瞻的,我不會去拿奪樓來做認證的。我所有建議都是地方上實際需要,別人覺得很困難,我都把它承擔起來,把它推動。再來,這個萬利部長,你在台中你也知道,"},{"start":28177.62,"end":28189.803,"text":"這個做了臺61線溪濱完異的交流道,這個如果願意交流道下來,如果不小心通過的時候,還要考慮30分鐘才能得到完異,這個是你們中證。"},{"start":28194.922,"end":28204.811,"text":"議長這條要完成了,你們那邊的私利很穩固,我打了很久都打得很辛苦,但是怎麼困難我都要做,這樣保證你不會用手手的啦,議長。"},{"start":28206.633,"end":28230.375,"text":"你還要跟我答應,這跟我們免配額款,我們的財政很困難。希望這邊說盡量免配額款,還是盡量調低配額款,這事情我們都要做。可行性研究有送過來,我們目前正在研究。你應該稍稍知道這個。我知道,他們目前有送過來,我們正在研究。你稍稍知道,你補充工會到我們,一定你交代就會全部動員,好不好?"},{"start":28231.997,"end":28237.304,"text":"這條框的迷你就全力完成,大概你們再修改一下就完成。"},{"start":28244.319,"end":28272.474,"text":"你每一個到最後那一句都是可以同意免除地方配合款,阿剩下的不知道多少?有一點免啦,有一點減啦,我們是很怕病,我們是玩弄的。真的,你不用這樣想法,我這個財政訴訟,為什麼我開始要講這個,就是要你了解情形,不然我站在這裡拜託你,我也覺得很民主。我不是站在這裡,我是覺得有道理我才會跟你講,沒有道理我不亂開口。"},{"start":28274.776,"end":28286.583,"text":"你稍微幫我講一下嘛,譬如要20%你說10%我們就很心滿意足,我們就感恩戴德啦,這樣你不會撐的,不可以這樣,你們在補助一些鄉鎮、縣市,你們都這樣擠得大大筆就落了。"},{"start":28294.568,"end":28306.038,"text":"那個財政的準備就是在準備這個狀況,我一定衡量中央的能力,在能力許可之下,委員優先順序,我們來考慮。好,我希望在我訓練這幾條人改觀,再來先到議事連線,第一期,第二期,"},{"start":28315.209,"end":28324.341,"text":"第二期我已經完成了,第一期的酒地現種20噸而已,都要大台車、拖拉車、貨櫃車都要農路去做,要考慮很久。第一期我們有補助3.07億你跟我們議長有關,這條要改觀"},{"start":28333.713,"end":28346.368,"text":"委員在說的是二期,二期我們在等地方來送可行性評估的補助申請,他們來我們幫忙。我先講,他們現在在做結尾上過了,你們幫我支持,當然有些在進行了,以前已經做了,我就不說了,我只是感謝你們有給我們地方做事情。"},{"start":28354.218,"end":28380.419,"text":"臺七十二線就是西濱快速道路,它交交案已經核定了,現在積極進行,因為在這五千年道大溪谷之外苗栗三個地點都跟這條路有息息相關,希望一定幫助一下,保證年輕人幫助一下,如期如止完成,好不好?這當中一百八十幾個,可能你們要追加了,要一點資質,這要照顧預算,再來,"},{"start":28386.681,"end":28397.428,"text":"提到自行車 喔 不過一定 齁 您的補充大家都很懊惰 兼備去到那裏 大家就說我全力支持 現在整個補充 四個補充 要我給你列名嗎 經過林佳龍部長"},{"start":28404.11,"end":28415.396,"text":"王國材部長、李孟彥鎮長,現在看我們年輕人沿途的陳彥博,不是陳彥博,經過四個部長,現在就看我們這個人部長,你在這記錄,你應該有參加這個會議。這90人,我不知道一定有。"},{"start":28426.042,"end":28430.844,"text":"臺鐵公司正在修正計劃,10月底之前會送來交通部,他們的價位如果送來,我們的速度會..."},{"start":28455.616,"end":28456.637,"text":"他10月底會把計畫送來交通局。"},{"start":28487.363,"end":28509.569,"text":"高教化我剛剛好像講錯了那個72線的話72線就是快速道路跟我們連接西濱快速的高教化跟國道山在轉向不夠預定兩條的"},{"start":28514.293,"end":28528.105,"text":"國道1跟國道3沒有連結入網,只有苗栗縣。 如果這個台72線你們已經合訂了,會公告了,說準備要來啟動。 現在看起來還有一些問題,這條件重要,聯絡道路。 聯絡著..."},{"start":28537.554,"end":28547.282,"text":"他接國道1號跟國道3號還有一些問題啦,那個問題就是說距離上一個或下一個交流道太近啦,我們來超過2公里才可以講,但是他都差不多1.2到1.5公里而已,距離有比較近一點嘛,這個部分我們繼續來討論看要怎麼克服啦好不好?"},{"start":28567.683,"end":28568.303,"text":"十三縣銅鑼及三越河"},{"start":28596.621,"end":28616.798,"text":"那個火車站的一個拓寬的工程,我們現在轉向的台13線都四線道,只有這兩個地方還是兩線道,這有發生車禍都幾個變了,今天來公路那個交通部都說好,我們前例要改善,我等到幾個頭門。"},{"start":28618.459,"end":28647.394,"text":"那個保證你這裡給我完成,我這個白頭髮就會變成黑頭髮,這裡都給我們改變,這樣好嗎?我是講真的齁,這個都很實際的問題,然後時間快要到了,你把他打下來齁,這個台西縣縣里漁港的服務區這點已經會進行了差不多,好像公路總局有一點意見,就給我們改選再來。"},{"start":28649.837,"end":28678.337,"text":"阿那個若日大道,那個很漂亮,你來照相的時候,這邊要擴大一個服務區,這地方是我們島小港,很漂亮,很漂亮的地方。這在北三端貢天宮的,會有那個大橋,在那個附近而已喔,好嗎?再來,好玩腳,這有地進步了,還有一些要臨島小港,一些路線要打通。阿我對這要偶然誠懇的拜託,"},{"start":28679.653,"end":28689.139,"text":"我們的卓院長跟陳部長跟我們加油一下,開始call in啦。 談到結晶,阿沒本就晶,再恆久,再用晶都讓你們關注。好,謝謝。 謝謝陳委員。 謝謝卓院長。 報告院會。"},{"start":28708.115,"end":28719.935,"text":"現在在議場二樓旁聽席的是臺北市大同高中的同學我們在此歡迎他們到立法院參訪接下來請吳啟明委員質詢"},{"start":28750.217,"end":28758.524,"text":"主席,議會我們的貴賓,請我們左院長以及交通部部長。 左院長還有交通部部長備詢。委員好。"},{"start":28770.15,"end":28795.722,"text":"委員長好、副長好、委員長辛苦了。 我們的新的執政團隊來到第二個會期了。 那台灣各項的經濟指標也都有突破性的表現。 今年的IMD的競爭力也排名全球第八。 我們也超越了美國、日本、韓國、中國、台灣各項的公共建設也逐漸的完成。 本席在這邊也給予肯定。"},{"start":28796.863,"end":28807.689,"text":"但院長臺灣目前面臨一個非常嚴重的問題就是詐騙還有毒品的氾濫首先我們都針對詐騙的問題跟院長來做討論從警政署的數據來看去年的詐騙案件數量37000多件那比前年增加了8000多件"},{"start":28818.427,"end":28837.869,"text":"那投資的詐騙案件增加了5000多件那今天刑事局召開記者會打擊詐騙方面政府破獲的詐騙集團有1000多件那不法所得來到71億那投資詐騙乃是民眾財產損失的第一名那本市認為政府應該"},{"start":28839.33,"end":28839.59,"text":"好,謝謝委員"},{"start":28862.961,"end":28882.446,"text":"談到詐騙,我們感同身受,也謝謝大院通過了打詐的新釋法。在新的這個釋法通過之後,我們還有19個執法必須要通過。我已經要求各相關的部會,緊速地把19個執法,讓它在最短的時間內也能夠如數地通過。"},{"start":28883.546,"end":28903.938,"text":"四個大的詐騙的打詐的法律加上19個執法這部機器才能整個動起來動起來之後我們第一個我們會提高刑責我們可以溯源到打詐的源頭我們可以對平台這些不使廣告的平台要求他落地要求他負責"},{"start":28904.997,"end":28932.279,"text":"我們有更多的力氣我們可以去準備一些科技增防的設備器具來針對這些詐騙集團所以這樣下來之後我認為我們現在開始在所有的執法完備之後我們會有更有力氣來面對這些那這個打詐的數字我們現在每天在打詐的這個儀表板上面都會呈現出來他呈現的是比較多因為我們對於計算統計的方式我們是如實的呈現但實際上"},{"start":28933.857,"end":28957.157,"text":"主觀的感受跟實際上的受害是不一樣的有的他認為我被騙了一千萬事實上他沒有被騙只是有人在騙他但是我們也把他放進去就讓大家知道詐騙、橫行是社會一個事實國際也是如此那現在我們手上有這個法律的利器我們充足人員充足設備一定要在最短的時間內跟詐騙集團再做一次最大的宣戰"},{"start":28957.918,"end":28987.045,"text":"好謝謝謝謝謝謝院長因為詐騙這在國人的心目中大家都是非常厭惡所以這個我們的所有的程序上一定要速度一定要快好謝謝那再來就是針對毒品毒品我看這幾年年齡層的下降很多青少年吸食毒品的狀況那我們針對我們現在要來重視現在新北市就發生了兩起毒架"},{"start":28987.945,"end":28999.77,"text":"尤其三重分級跟土層分級,員工信職都是在晚上執勤勤務時遭到獨駕、惡意開車衝撞不幸信職,令臺灣人感到非常不捨。"},{"start":29003.692,"end":29026.565,"text":"那我們去年在立法院三讀通過刑法明確獨駕認定的標準貫徹對獨駕行為是零容忍的政策但我們現在發現獨駕的問題不單只增加行者就能以賀止有許多不同種類像新興的毒品出現有兩起這兩起的案件都是使用俗稱傷屍煙彈"},{"start":29030.154,"end":29055.903,"text":"以及依托彌子目前這次毒品都列為三級毒品那光是這半年就有三級員警遭受到毒價撞死的案件發生以目前造成社會性的危險性以及成癮性患難的程度將他本席是提議是不是把他提為二級毒品請院長這邊來支持"},{"start":29058.346,"end":29068.178,"text":"我們非常痛心援警因為執行公務因公殉職我們一定給予最好的一些撫恤但是更重要的是針對這些毒品"},{"start":29069.307,"end":29096.718,"text":"從它的製毒、販毒、運毒等等我們做有系列的管控那毒品是必須經過毒品審議委員會來把它分級分類那伊多米子前不久我們把它列為第三級的毒品也是第四級的禁制藥品那現在如果它要做一個更動的話也必須經過審議委員會但是無論如何我們面對這些新興的毒品相當的氾濫什麼咖啡包、彩虹包、彩虹菸等等"},{"start":29097.658,"end":29121.38,"text":"會到青少年造成很大的誘惑所以我們在幾次檢警掉線的整個通力的防堵當中我們都已經把這些新的毒品跟它的這個充斥社會的方式都做了相當大的研議未來我們希望能夠朝這個方向在有法令以及毒品分類快速的進行的情況底下我們希望檢警掉線能夠負起更多的責任"},{"start":29123.372,"end":29140.5,"text":"對,謝謝院長,是希望說能把它提升為二級毒品,這樣不然外面這個毒品,新興的毒品是真的非常地氾濫,這一點都值得我們去探討。 然後再來就是有關於毒品存放的問題,"},{"start":29141.687,"end":29159.316,"text":"我跟院長來討論一下因為本市也是調查及後案毒品處理流程的監督委員的顧問目前了解司法機關查獲的數量逐漸增加就今年5月23新竹市警察局跟破獲種子大麻"},{"start":29160.136,"end":29185.647,"text":"致賭工廠事件查扣大麻4519株, 也是目前偵破有史以來最大的大麻溫室。 因此吊牙籍持續在空間不足的存放, 毒品證物情形發生,光是近年來入庫統計數量逐年增加, 都有賴於司法同仁加強的查緝打擊不法。"},{"start":29186.227,"end":29188.088,"text":"沒錯,調查局已經在今年的年初"},{"start":29210.794,"end":29210.854,"text":"對,就盡量向"},{"start":29241.801,"end":29259.372,"text":"這麽龐大的大碼就直接來做銷毀就不用再入庫那這樣也減輕我們一些同仁他們的辛勞謝謝好那院長你先回座好了我跟部長來討論一下我地方的建設好你先回座好部長針對建築機械"},{"start":29266.397,"end":29282.276,"text":"公懲重機械,因為我們都知道有內政部編類編管範圍,因為臺灣地理環境的原因,因此遇到重大的風災、地震相關的天災,他們都要投入救災的行列,可見他們對國家實質上的貢獻。"},{"start":29285.96,"end":29295.164,"text":"本席在上個會期也說過他們需要一個合法的停放的空間,但本席召開多次的會議,邀請內政部、交通部、經濟部、農業部相關的單位討論。"},{"start":29298.75,"end":29314.462,"text":"發現都找不到任何一個負責的主管機關最後會議有幾個部會他們都是一致的推擠的我們交通部這邊來負責教委四合因為他們有輪子那是不是也拜託院長"},{"start":29315.723,"end":29315.903,"text":"主席"},{"start":29332.074,"end":29336.718,"text":"三、10月18日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。 三、10月18日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。 三、10月18日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。"},{"start":29356.38,"end":29369.708,"text":"他們自己的土地但是土地過去都是沒有一個輔導單位,但是變成他們都是要面臨被開罰,所以這個問題是不是由部長來做說明?"},{"start":29371.756,"end":29395.893,"text":"報告委員 過去一直沒有主管機關那交通部也沒有接下來的原因是雖然他有輪子但是他算是重型機械那比較有相關的是因為他大部分是在做營造的工程所以跟營造業是比較相關的所以過去的這個交通部也沒有把它列為是汽車因為一般的汽車像剛剛委員在說的停車場對我們來講的定義是停放不一定是停車因為他不是車"},{"start":29397.193,"end":29405.098,"text":"雖然說他做營造的比較多這個機械是做營造比較多理論上應該是內政部的營建署可能他們會相對有一些關係那不過停放的問題可能大家就覺得有裝輪子可能跟交通部有關係但沒有關係"},{"start":29423.47,"end":29443.419,"text":"委員有說11月15日我們要來開一個會那我會請交通部的同仁大家先彙整各部會的意見之外就是說相關的因為他們應該有工協會相關的工協會的意見我們也會彙整起來然後11月15日大家來開會再來討論這個未來看要怎麼處理他的停放的問題"},{"start":29444.551,"end":29466.987,"text":"好的好的謝謝謝謝部長還是部長比較有擔當因為這是從以前到現在你看啊任何的風災任何的災害都是需要用到這種機械包含我們現在捷運包含你現在蓋大樓也都是要用得到那用得到他們的停放的位置又有問題"},{"start":29468.728,"end":29492.721,"text":"這是全國性,所以變成他們也是很無奈,所以在去年來我這邊陳情,我也跟他開過兩次協調會,所以我才要拜託部長,是不是能扛起這個我們來召集會議,由交通部來做召集好不好?好,我們就11月15號,我們11月15號來開這個會,好不好?"},{"start":29496.263,"end":29523.514,"text":"好的好謝謝謝謝那再來呢再來是針對我地方的建設針對我們土城、三峽還有大溪龍潭這六五的延伸那六五延伸因為這條六五真的是一個必要性因為你現在從土城的工業區土城工業區現在目前就有300多家他一年的產值有1000多億"},{"start":29525.069,"end":29551.71,"text":"那造成整個交通都動亂土城工業區只有這一條中山路那未來樹林還有山峽這邊的車流量人口暴增那邊又有兩個重劃區有一個大甘林有一個麥子岩還有山峽北大一年人口成長1萬多人那整個交通"},{"start":29553.097,"end":29559.079,"text":"三、10月18日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。 三、10月18日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。 三、10月18日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。 三、10月18日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。"},{"start":29579.787,"end":29601.4,"text":"會列入山峽跟土層為優先路段。 可行性評估113年1月30日上網招標。 4月30日結標6月27日召開會議辦理可行性期出報告。 目前已在8月1日完成。 預計明年114年3月中期出"},{"start":29606.042,"end":29614.515,"text":"其中報告那我是要拜託部長因為這一條的延伸真的是非常的重要也拜託院長"},{"start":29616.226,"end":29618.647,"text":"那是不是由部長來幫忙?因為這一條是非常急迫"},{"start":29646.175,"end":29661.141,"text":"二、三、四、五、六、七、八、七、八、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、"},{"start":29678.39,"end":29694.963,"text":"好謝謝吳委員謝謝卓院長委員陳秀寶之質詢以素面提出請行政院素面答覆並列入紀錄刊登公報下一位我們請徐巧欣委員質詢"},{"start":29706.467,"end":29709.83,"text":"謝謝副院長。那我們有請卓院長。卓院長請備詢。主委好。"},{"start":29719.727,"end":29744.494,"text":"院長好,那第一個想要問您,總預算目前因為這個《進法補償條例》已經在立法院三讀通過,那行政院也沒有提出復議,總統也已經宣布了,但在行政院卻沒有編列預算而卡關,目前尚未開始審查。我想問一下院長,憲法當中我們提出復議與否的理由是在什麼情況之下?"},{"start":29746.26,"end":29768.592,"text":"行政院認為有致愛難行的時候。 沒錯,在第三條呢,行政院對立法院決議之法律案,如果認為有致愛難行之處呢,得經總統核可,那以請復議。那所以呢,於心不忍,絕對不是一個送不送復議案的理由。 院長您同意嗎?跟委員報告,您不知道那天在參會上的現場為什麼我講出這樣的話。 那請說說。"},{"start":29772.892,"end":29774.153,"text":"三讀通過的法律要怎麼用其他的方式?當然"},{"start":29802.932,"end":29821.22,"text":"因為第一個我當時認為這個與憲法與法律都有所違背但我們再換個場景如果我當時提復議在大院的部分委員對我的批評又是另外一個那難道你沒有提復議了大家都沒有批評嗎我當時如果提復議一定又是罵得體無完膚"},{"start":29821.86,"end":29834.243,"text":"所以你是怕被罵所以不提復議的?那你剛剛就是這樣說啊,你剛剛說因為會有很多人批評你所以你不提復議,但我剛剛重複問你一遍你又說不是,那是怎麼樣呢?那你覺得現在目前是好的方式嗎?現在你已經開始說又要去釋憲了,請問是這樣嗎?"},{"start":29844.406,"end":29854.576,"text":"我說那是萬不得已的事我還是非常不願意如果我們得不到一個好的解決方法比方我說只要未來不要用這種"},{"start":29856.109,"end":29884.63,"text":"提議或立法的方式只要未來以後以後在您執政以後好那我想問一下最近您講了一個說進法補償並非一毛不編那可以編4萬那請問您所說的這4萬是在哪一個是在法律之下按照預算的編列編4萬嗎還是他是用什麼一個框架之下第一點為什麼說行政院不是一毛不編因為黃國昌委員說我們是一毛不編"},{"start":29885.55,"end":29904.22,"text":"第二,為什麼我說編4萬,因為依照預算法91條,立法院對預算的稅出稅入有所變更的時候,必須徵詢行政院的意見。 當時我就說,如果我們衡量所有的狀況,由3萬調整到4萬,行政院是同意的。"},{"start":29904.38,"end":29925.459,"text":"那我請問一下喔,你這個是在禁法補償條例裡面提升到4萬,是這樣嗎?跟您做個確認。如果當時的協商,當時在法律討論的時候,修法的時候,行政的立場是我們同意提升到4萬。好,那了解了,所以你現在是這麼講嘛。但是呢,問題是喔,我們喔,今天喔,我再問你一個問題,如果是釋憲的話,"},{"start":29927.04,"end":29930.884,"text":"您會徵求徵詢賴總統的意見嗎?"},{"start":29930.884,"end":29936.228,"text":"或者到目前為止您有沒有針對《禁法補償條例》跟賴總統進行過討論?我們在不復議的時候有跟總統報告,因為復議要經過總統同意我才能復議。 所以總統不支持提出復議?"},{"start":29947.093,"end":29947.994,"text":"總統的態度是什麼呢?"},{"start":29947.994,"end":29952.496,"text":"尊重行政院,所以他也認為你不提出復議這件事情是他認為認同的。那接下來如果你再走到所謂的最後一步要釋憲與否的時候,你會再去向總統報告?"},{"start":29968.166,"end":29989.276,"text":"我當然基於政治的倫理是,你會再向總統報告,所以到時候如果你釋憲的話,我是否可以理解為總統也同意您去釋憲?不必這麼理解,這行政院基於行政院的職權、立場,我們總統報告我們的決定。對,那總統如果告訴你說,我不同意你們去釋憲,那你會尊重總統嗎?"},{"start":29991.052,"end":30008.818,"text":"我跟總統會講清楚行政院為什麼決定要提出賦予,但我還是希望我不必做這種報告,我還是希望我們可以... 是嘛,我在跟你討論嘛,我在跟你做各種討論嘛,因為這都有可能發生,因為釋憲這兩個字不排除釋憲是您說的呀,不然我也不會問您這個問題不是嗎?"},{"start":30010.518,"end":30012.12,"text":"事宪這兩個字是憲法賦予,我們各自順利。我說在不得已的情況下,我必須考慮。"},{"start":30028.095,"end":30028.676,"text":"那我會跟他很清楚表明行政院的立場"},{"start":30056.545,"end":30072.3,"text":"如果總統說不的話你會下台嗎?如果總統有其他的意見他會跟我交換意見但是那個結論不是現在我只能跟您報告的沒有他只是跟您做一個意見上的交換所以如果總統反對事件的話您會下台嗎?"},{"start":30074.343,"end":30093.885,"text":"總統反對釋憲的話對就是您說您要釋憲跟總統說他反對總統不必反對釋憲總統叫我下台我就下台了好就你這句話那接下來我們剛剛講到您說4萬元這件事情說可以去編那請問在當時在討論慶法補償條例的時候您有去跟立法委員們溝通嗎"},{"start":30095.166,"end":30097.789,"text":"請問這兩個委員是民進黨黨籍的,那他們人在哪裡,在做什麼?"},{"start":30114.127,"end":30139.185,"text":"對,他們是民進黨黨籍,那他們是代表原住民提出這樣的想法,所以我再重複一次,這件事情不是政黨的立場。來,他們提出的版本是幾萬元?他們提出有提出6萬元。提出6萬元,請問行政院有向他們去做溝通嗎?有。有,然後結果呢?他們就是認為他們應該可以...那你知道整個民進黨有多少的比例的委員有做連署嗎?我知道。多少?"},{"start":30140.772,"end":30144.675,"text":"總共有好像七十幾位同意吧?沒有那麼多啦,七十幾位。 七十幾位!"},{"start":30149.478,"end":30176.898,"text":"你確定70幾位我們立法院113個立委如果70幾個民進黨的立法委員的話不是我說全部沒有我問的是民進黨我說因為這不是黨政黨的立場我說我問我現在只是請問你只要回答我的問題就好請問民進黨有多少的立法委員有連署6萬元的這個法案6萬喔"},{"start":30177.813,"end":30205.175,"text":"我不知道我沒有去數人頭你不知道對不對那我告訴你好不好總共呢有60%有33位的立法委員來我們看一下哪些人33位的立法委員加入了提案的連署佔了民進黨立法委員的六成那我們國民黨最後支持的版本你應該很清楚我們支持的是誰的版本"},{"start":30205.862,"end":30227.74,"text":"是大家討論過6萬的版本是誰的版本提案委員的版本哪一位委員我應該沒記錯是吳立華委員的版本對不是啊是陳寅委員的版本陳寅委員的版本才是6萬高精素美委員的版本不是6萬比6萬少更接近您的目標跟方向"},{"start":30228.3,"end":30246.188,"text":"高金素美委員當時跟我們講的版本是5萬元﹖我相信也有人去跟他溝通﹖所以是5萬元﹖更接近您剛剛講的4萬的目標﹖可是當時我在立法院的現場﹖我看到了什麼呢﹖我看到了既然民進黨提了6萬的版本﹖"},{"start":30247.288,"end":30247.508,"text":"主席"},{"start":30265.4,"end":30290.716,"text":"這就是我們現在覺得非常非常尷尬的地方嘛!那這兩個人是怎麼回事?那他讓所有的人跟著一起去投了他們!欸!我們國民黨的也跟著他們去投!我們不分黨派一起幫助原住民!在五萬跟六萬之間選擇了六萬去支持原住民!結果你現在告訴我說你們可以變成四萬!我們原本支持高精素美容院的版本還比較接近行政院捏!"},{"start":30291.776,"end":30309.054,"text":"這不是搞了一個天大的烏龍嗎 院長 這不是政黨的問題 我沒有說這是政黨的問題 它就是因為不是政黨的問題 所以我們才去支持了民進黨的版本啊 不是政黨的問題就不必一直提多少民進黨的委員的問題"},{"start":30309.454,"end":30329.13,"text":"因為沒有我只是想要告訴你說他就是超越黨派的民進黨很多人支持國民黨也很多人支持然後我們當下看到既然民進黨能夠給予原住民更多的支持我們就來支持跨黨派的版本支持民進黨結果原來你們早就跟這些委員們溝通好了只能4萬不早講啊"},{"start":30330.271,"end":30330.291,"text":"陳部長請備詢"},{"start":30352.566,"end":30373.039,"text":"議題到這邊,因為還有一點時間我問一下部長,我們這次電價調整總體而言會影響到哪一些交通大眾交通工具?只要有用到電都會影響到?都會影響,那有哪一些大眾交通工具?像台鐵的部分,我們會每年增加多少經費?"},{"start":30377.657,"end":30405.153,"text":"我印象中他們給我的數據很像是3億還是2億多?不是,是4.56億,那高鐵呢?我還沒有看到他們的數據高鐵沒有看到數據,部長這樣不行喔,因為李昆澤委員之前在質詢的時候,他powerpoint上面都有,在交通委員會,是3.6億那請問北捷每年會增加多少億?委員,這麼多的數據我沒有辦法全部講這沒有很多,北捷、高鐵、台鐵、桃園、基捷、高捷這沒有很多"},{"start":30409.256,"end":30420.406,"text":"可是最近講了電價這是攸關民生的大事啊而且我剛剛說了先前在李昆澤委員在質詢你的時候他後面大大的powerpoint就已經把這些東西都寫出來了"},{"start":30421.187,"end":30436.276,"text":"所以你應該是看過這些資料的我很確定我還去交通委員會看了所有人對您的質詢啊所以不能說這不能說您做交通部長我比你還認真看交通委員會的質詢吧好那我來問這次這樣電費的調漲請問部長一下臺北捷運是屬於哪一種的系統運輸業哪一種的系統運輸業都市的吧"},{"start":30451.155,"end":30470.373,"text":"大眾捷運系統運輸也對那漲幅是百分之多少?我知道台鐵跟高鐵是百分之14但是北捷我不知道一樣是百分之14啊所以捷運他都是屬於百分之14跟台鐵還有高鐵一樣"},{"start":30471.462,"end":30481.561,"text":"但是有另外一種分類 您應該很清楚只有7%﹐高捷等捷運少了一半那是哪一類的運輸系統?"},{"start":30486.736,"end":30501.553,"text":"律務上運輸系統,部長、院長您就這就對了嘛,好,院長顯然是比較熟悉喔,這些呢,比如說管道啊、人力車啊、蓄力車或纜車這種用電比較少的,其實你們反而漲它漲比較少,只漲了7%。"},{"start":30505.972,"end":30533.186,"text":"部長您現在了解了嗎?他們漲價的邏輯,他們針對這種用電比較衰退,產業比較衰退的反而是漲的比較少,然後人多的反而是比較多,所以你的那個大眾,就是比如說你現在的列管,你的運輸裡面有哪幾種分類,我覺得你部長你最基本應該要去做了解,所以我們的大眾捷運系統非常的多人,我是說你最基本最基礎要去做一個了解嘛,"},{"start":30533.686,"end":30551.231,"text":"那我想問一下,就是剛剛其實就是院長所說的,我覺得啊,現在很多的,你剛剛那些都答不出來,我就不問你細節了。現在很多齁,比方說像臺北捷運的營運成本,他呢,從漲電價之後,從13%增加到16%,而且臺北捷運的電費就佔他的成本的13%。"},{"start":30558.053,"end":30585.146,"text":"所以我必須要講說一年上億次的人流在漲了電費之後對他們而言真的有很大的壓力那是不是有可能未來針對這些捷運我們就講捷運就好了對捷運包含桃園、台中、高雄、台北都有捷運能夠去給予他們相對應的補貼否則的話今年台電要跟我們要2000億的補貼我們不知道這錢怎麼給出去"},{"start":30586.381,"end":30599.222,"text":"報告委員 三個原則 第一個 這個電價的調整 第一個是反映台電的成本 發電成本 第二個是使用者付費 第三個是對於營運比較不是那麼健全的 我們漲幅比較少 所以它是7%"},{"start":30600.299,"end":30600.759,"text":"好,謝謝徐委員"},{"start":30629.38,"end":30629.9,"text":"謝謝主席。那我們有請院長,謝謝。請左院長備詢。"},{"start":30665.732,"end":30679.467,"text":"本席,今天雖然要來跟院長討論交通的議題,但是本席更關心的是在交通議題後面的一個永續性的問題,也就是我們現在常講的sustainable issue。"},{"start":30679.827,"end":30680.867,"text":"主席主席主席主席"},{"start":30699.623,"end":30716.056,"text":"當我們在做觀光發展的時候我們常會碰到一個問題就是觀光相關單位的介入跟地方節慶的變質那這會導致生活文化面跟旅遊發展上的兩難那這個部分經常在發展"},{"start":30716.476,"end":30716.496,"text":"二、3、4、5、6、7、8、9、10、11、12、12、13、14、15、16、17、18、19、20、21、22、23、24、25、26、27、28、29、30、31、32、33、34、35、36、37、40、40、41、42、43、44、45、46、46、47、49、49、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、"},{"start":30733.248,"end":30755.625,"text":"那地方節慶呢,在我國有很重要的一個地位。 這個節慶是整個地方的集體記憶、歷史、文化傳統還有社群凝聚的表現,那有很重要的內涵,跟這個社群的意義,對這個社群的意義。 但是觀光單位常常在發展觀光的時候,就跟地方的文化活動來結合。"},{"start":30757.626,"end":30784.549,"text":"但是在發展過後又沒有永續性的繼續推動。 所以本期想要談的是目的導向的問題。 地方節慶通常是當地社會的特定歷史背景﹐文化、習癖或宗教信仰形成的﹐目的是反映了對特定歷史事件﹐神話及自然現象的理解。 但是觀光的節慶常常都是在於做商業行銷﹐"},{"start":30786.189,"end":30804.85,"text":"考慮如何吸引更多的遊客,所以在介入的過程當中常常把它混為一談,所以觀光單位缺乏對這些內涵的理解跟尊重,很容易將節慶化成表面上的一種觀光商品,忽略了核心的文化跟社會意義。"},{"start":30806.011,"end":30823.409,"text":"所以本席想在這邊請教院長政府在推動觀光的同時如何確保文化資源不會被過度的商品化那你們是不是有具體的政策來平衡文化的保護跟經濟發展避免地方結訓失去了文化價值"},{"start":30825.996,"end":30854.506,"text":"無論是經濟發展跟觀光我覺得保存當地的文化特色是應該列為優先的考量這樣才不會讓一個文化就消滅了甚至我們在協助或是參與各地的這種比較傳統性的節慶的時候也應該遵照他們主辦單位傳統以來的方式吸引更多人去是要看過去到現在這種生活記憶的累積而不是看現在用新的方式去改變他們的生活型態"},{"start":30855.126,"end":30873.638,"text":"我們可以在周遭用一些科技的方式來襯托現在的社會新形態的方方面面但是節慶、慶典本身文化的保存我覺得這個才是像全世界有很多文化遺產他們保存的也是這個精神台灣應該文明的朝向這個方向去進展"},{"start":30874.922,"end":30884.149,"text":"謝謝院長,所以我想跟您請教,所以如果您今天去參加原住民的祭儀,我們拿阿美族的豐年祭來講,你們知道什麼時候是可以去參觀的嗎?"},{"start":30885.646,"end":30888.007,"text":"謝謝院長,那所以您剛才講到了時間,所以觀光相關的單位有掌握到這一些細節嗎?"},{"start":30905.154,"end":30913.224,"text":"所以當你們在做行銷的時候或做資訊的傳達有沒有考慮到跟確實掌握這些細節這個是我對於這一點來給這個我們交通部"},{"start":30918.38,"end":30947.185,"text":"當成一個參考另外在跟活動結合的時候你們常常在要跟人家合作的時候就說來我們一起來然後本來人家的本質這個活動的本質可能是一種競技比賽可是當你們介入了之後之後你們就變成體驗活動結果把人家原本有的競技比賽給稀釋掉了之後呢那地方反應的時候你們又說這不是我們的事情我們只管體驗然後那個競技活動變成別的單位這一點觀光局"},{"start":30948.065,"end":30976.708,"text":"對不起,那個交通部,你們對這點有所知嗎?是,這個部分,如果要辦旅遊,跟部落相關的部分,或者是跟一些地方文化相關的部分,我們應該是要尊重地方文化。像自行車啊,然後什麼帆船比賽,你們對這個部分有知覺嗎?所以很多的一些活動,像現在賴總統在談的運動觀光,那如果它原本是競技型的比賽,也因為這種競技型的核心概念而展現出觀光的價值,"},{"start":30977.509,"end":30979.03,"text":"我會尊重地方的文化這個部分我會請他們注意"},{"start":31001.015,"end":31002.336,"text":"國家綠道本席提醒院長"},{"start":31026.139,"end":31047.308,"text":"這幾條目前你們有7條未來我不知道還會不會有更多我們期待有更多將臺灣連結起來所以這7條的國家綠廊分別由經濟部、交通部、農業部、原民會、客委會等部會目前在主責推動跟維護管理但是我不知道你們對於這整個步道的整個推展"},{"start":31047.828,"end":31066.716,"text":"是不是有瞭解它這個管理方式有沒有導致在推動及維護上缺乏的整體性跟協調性?那這個統一的規劃跟整體的行銷是不是因為事權不一而影響到綠島本身作為全國生態及文化旅遊的一個潛力呢?"},{"start":31067.276,"end":31095.342,"text":"行政院是不是有考慮到設立跨部會機構﹖來統籌國家的步道系統﹖結合地方文化資源﹖進行永續管理﹖而不是國發會規劃了之後﹖然後就丟給大家去執行﹖然後沒有後面的控管﹖您的看法呢?如果是幾條的國家級綠道﹖步道﹖分別相關的幾個部會﹖或許真的是實際上是有關﹖原住民﹖客家朋友﹖或是他是經過農地﹖"},{"start":31096.562,"end":31099.205,"text":"主管機關必須對維護或未來發展作考量。 如果已經形成國家公園整個區域"},{"start":31111.878,"end":31133.699,"text":"我們就可以有一個統一的事權來管理 到的年限又比較困難這麼做 但是我們如果用觀光的眼光來看倒是可以請交通部能夠去做一個統合的 但是不一定是完全主管基本上事權統一讓他整體推動ratherland而不是每一個部會各行其事好不好"},{"start":31135.025,"end":31159.11,"text":"所以接下來這個東西也跟步道有點關係可是是自行車跟步道安全在我們推動的時候那當然自行車也是這種無動力的一種交通工具但是在設施的部分沒有系統性的規劃跟管理那這個本席其實有提到過在環島一號自行車車道跟全國的徒步路網其實有很多遊客或旅客會去走"},{"start":31160.231,"end":31171.608,"text":"北黎公路跟蘇花公路還有很多的隱憂,本席在之前的質詢也提到過,就像自行車道跟騎士和大型車輛的路道,"},{"start":31175.313,"end":31201.755,"text":"共用非常狹小的道路,增加了一些事故的風險。 還有,臺灣的自行車道在連續性、安全性上也很不足。 所以在先前的質詢當中,交通部其實承諾本席解決臺二線上面大卡車跟自行車道征道的問題。 這個問題一直很困擾民眾,也導致了一些交通的隱憂。 不曉得這個部長目前的進度如何?"},{"start":31202.438,"end":31216.617,"text":"報告委員,目前最近正在討論很多自行車道的問題,但很抱歉這個部分我確實還沒有聽到他們給我的說法。好的,那請部長是不是追蹤一下這件事情,具體的一個設施方案及改善。"},{"start":31217.438,"end":31246.42,"text":"好那接下來是這個全國環島徒步網的這個問題徒步的旅客也經常會碰到跟自行車一樣的道路狹窄然後最重要的許多車速過快這有動力的車然後步道連續性不足也是一個問題那針對像行人這樣也跟自行車一樣的弱勢族群我們讓他經常是在一個高風險區域在都會裡面也是一樣然後在城鎮之間也是一樣從一個運輸公平的觀點這個部分不知道"},{"start":31247.24,"end":31249.782,"text":"在都會也是一樣,在城鎮之間的連結也是一樣。 不知道部長這邊是不是有一些看法?"},{"start":31271.056,"end":31291.635,"text":"我看這個畫面應該是花東那邊,確實很多人在行走或者是騎腳踏車甚至是摩托車本席也參加過這些活動我覺得這些部分確實是應該要做比較好的規劃,因為旁邊的車子其實跑得蠻快那如果沒有做比較好的規劃其實對於那些要步行的人來說是相對危險的"},{"start":31292.356,"end":31293.438,"text":"主席"},{"start":31310.02,"end":31329.034,"text":"好謝謝那接下來很快的我們都知道我們要進入高齡化的社會那對於這個高齡人口來講呢這個交通事故中死亡率居高不下那我這邊很直接的提出來就是斑馬線設置的時間過短我相信這個應該現在大家有注意到這一點"},{"start":31329.815,"end":31351.901,"text":"另外設施不完善,在都會裡面一樣,那都會外更不用講,那很多時候在鄉下也是一樣,部落裡面更是有一些那個不是只有連外道路,部落裡面就像那個金針山,大家上山的那條路,是部落裡面很重要的一個生活空間,那這種很急速的這個車子跟生活空間,"},{"start":31352.421,"end":31380.913,"text":"的一個衝擊我想這是很嚴重的問題是不是可以全面檢視一下這種聯動性那這個部分是不是不知道交通部目前做到什麼程度時間比較短的部分我們現在有推行人實相的部分或者是行人優先實相的部分就是讓行人先走車子再往前走的這個部分有在規劃這個在都市裡面大家現在都會檢視但是在城鎮的聯動當中還有部落跟主要"},{"start":31381.873,"end":31384.114,"text":"目前部落的邊坡沒有相關檢視,也就是說A、B、C的分級跟處理,交通部目前沒有資料。"},{"start":31405.302,"end":31433.285,"text":"那所以我在上次提到有關於這個部落的這個邊坡相關的這個問題我們目前沒有下文所以不知道這個目前的進度如何 報告委員我是針對省道跟國道還有鐵路的部分我們邊坡我們都有做管理但是因為部落大部分是鄉道或者是縣道那這個部分確實交通部沒有進入去處理這一塊確實是 所以這我為部落這邊來請命啦那個我們東海岸很多那在這個山"},{"start":31434.285,"end":31439.049,"text":"最後要提到一個很重要的問題是一個免簽政策跟非法滯留的問題這現在引起了很嚴重的狀況"},{"start":31463.039,"end":31490.061,"text":"這其實牽扯到是一個短期的經濟利益跟長期社會成本的一個衝突我想這幾天那本席在這邊也收到很多的投訴我們為了推展觀光然後開放了很多免簽甚至有些國家我們提供了他們補助來台灣為了衝高這個數字但是導致一個很嚴重的問題就是非法滯留請問院長您知道現在非法滯留有多少人嗎?"},{"start":31491.062,"end":31519.422,"text":"這是非常嚴重的國安問題我會請監管單位把人數跟他們怎麼防範做一個有效的報告本席這邊研究出來的人數至少目前有9萬人這個比例非常的高喔非法滯留有9萬人那這就是如同你講的是個國安問題所以它不僅是對社會產生很嚴重的問題對我們觀光發展真的是正面的嗎"},{"start":31520.623,"end":31548.951,"text":"但是這裏面的細節就是在今年的3月1日我們修正了入出國及移民法也提高了對預期滯留者的罰款從一萬塊提升到五萬塊結果呢現在是大部分的人通通都裝死那我先跟院長請教一下您知道這些錢是從哪邊付的嗎?從哪邊付的?我請教這個是不是有包括一些逃逸的移工在內?"},{"start":31550.196,"end":31550.316,"text":"好 謝謝林委員"},{"start":31582.321,"end":31594.875,"text":"下一位我們請邱若驊委員質詢。謝謝主席。主席有請行政院院長卓院長。卓院長請背信。"},{"start":31604.912,"end":31627.112,"text":"邱委員好。 院長好。 院長,行政院在9月30日正式核定桃竹廟大溪谷推動的方案草案,期稱2024至2027年將桃竹廟打造為更加完整的產業生態圈,4年要增6兆的產值,就業人口增14萬。首先本席肯定賴清德總統對現今選時的政見,也肯定"},{"start":31627.732,"end":31655.263,"text":"行政院的效率該計畫推動不只有利地方的發展更能提升我國在國際間的競爭力根據國發會核定報告的內容與桃竹苗大細股相關的交通計畫共有22項其中涉及桃園市境內的就有14項跨山線市的有一項與桃園的相關建設就有15項也就是說桃園的交通建設是否完善對計畫有極重大的影響請問院長您認同嗎"},{"start":31659.645,"end":31674.13,"text":"桃園的交通建設對於該計劃有極重大的影響,請問院長您認同嗎?當然同意,而且謝謝委員,我們雖然核定,我還沒有辦法一次把這麼詳細的資料說出來,感謝委員這樣的整理,謝謝。 院長我們可以在圖表中看到,"},{"start":31674.77,"end":31694.43,"text":"其中有六項計畫需要桃園市政府來做分攤。 三項計畫目前還在評估中,分別下列六項總計是528.7億。 評估中的三項建設依照國發會主委高仙貴的說法,板龍快速道路、新梅龍快速道路正在辦理可行性的研究。"},{"start":31696.312,"end":31706.966,"text":"預估,經費分別為1100億及600億元,那相信這個金額日後會更高,而捷運綠線延伸至大溪出估的經費是250億,上述三個計劃無疑是對桃園的施政經費。"},{"start":31711.331,"end":31711.631,"text":"對我們除了"},{"start":31732.41,"end":31749.137,"text":"這個桃竹苗大溪谷計畫我們還有其他區域性計畫我們都會用同樣的方式依國家的財政跟地區發展的需求我們跟地方政府充分合作我覺得在這個區域性的六大塊區域性發展過程當中中央必須負比較大的責任"},{"start":31749.793,"end":31750.213,"text":"請問院長,新政院接下來將會承擔吧?"},{"start":31774.027,"end":31792.896,"text":"桃園捷運綠線延伸之大旗目前還在桃園市政府修正可行性研究報告中。 院長之後是否將可行性的研究送達至中央後,本席希望中央可以來競速核定。 由於經費過高,本席也希望中央可以從優的來補助。 緩解地方的財政,院長這個能做到嗎?"},{"start":31793.888,"end":31823.468,"text":"對,就包括這種區域性的、跨縣式的、必須比較多的年數來做連續性預算的整個大的工作,都是過去到現在都是中央在做統一的規劃。這也是中央為什麼在這個財務的掌握底下,要必須有這種比較大的規劃方向。所以我們最近討論很多中央地方財政的合作,我認為我們如果從這個方向來談,中央負更多的責任來幫地方一起來做合作,這才是正途。"},{"start":31824.649,"end":31847.89,"text":"再請院長來全力支持那院長我們在看巴德交流道之前我們先來看近五年六都的中央統籌分配款還有一般的補助性金額由次表可知我們可以看到桃園市的中央統籌分配款還有一般補助性的金額一直都是六都墊底這樣的分配無疑是造成地方政府的財政困難"},{"start":31848.97,"end":31854.052,"text":"本席要舉例在114年桃園市稅出編列1711.98億那其中的捷運還有鐵路地下化編列153億1463萬元桃園航空城建設編列144億4069萬元那在各項社會福利補貼編列147億9980萬元有關長者的補助編列73億1657萬等院長您知道這代表什麼嗎"},{"start":31878.462,"end":31884.824,"text":"這也代表我們桃園市政府已經沒有多餘的經費了那國三政策八個交流道除了能夠改善地方的交通問題啊 更是桃竹苗大溪谷這個計畫中重要的交通建設之一 院長您知道這項建設地方要分攤多少錢嗎"},{"start":31906.244,"end":31921.398,"text":"這個部分我知道委員想要說的是他用地的這個費用啦用地的費用確實是地方應該要負擔但我現在聽到的是地方他們可能短時間之內沒有辦法一筆來付啦那目前交通部其實有正在跟桃園市政府正在溝通"},{"start":31921.778,"end":31928.764,"text":"本席來更詳細的說明,用地費是11.19億,連絡到71.89億,合計是83.08億。 院長、部長我們個別來看,有關11.19億的用地費部分,高工局要求市府必須一次性撥付整筆款項,才會啟動後續的作業。 市府已經將該費用納入114年預算,但市府財政實在沒有辦法在114年來做編滿。"},{"start":31946.838,"end":31962.726,"text":"陶淵市府提出也希望將經費分為兩年支出,14年撥付7成,15年撥付3成。 院長、部長為了讓後續的作業可以如期來運作,行政院應該來居中協調,也拜託部長來協助,讓陶淵市政府分年撥付。"},{"start":31963.786,"end":31982.267,"text":"目前正在協調當中,我們也希望進度可以快一些,那一天我們去桃園的時候,他們的秘書長也有特別跟我提到這件事,那我也請我們交通部的同仁們趕快加速來討論。"},{"start":31983.971,"end":32006.362,"text":"好那至於另外71.891的聯絡道工程部分這筆費用也造成地方政府的財政負擔那市府希望可以爭取生活圈交通系統建設計畫那目前市政府已經完成編號道路的報編程序了為了順利推動桃竹苗大矽谷計畫本席請院長召集國土署還有交通部等相關單位進行研議院長說得到嗎這個部長在這裡說這個應該是請國土署"},{"start":32013.63,"end":32014.932,"text":"請問我們什麼時候可以來召開會議?"},{"start":32028.935,"end":32034.179,"text":"為了配合未來巴德交流到通車後的運量﹚還有紓解大溪的交通﹚市府預計推動大溪兩岸道路計畫﹚經費預估是49.6億﹚待抱邊道路還有環平的程序過後﹚"},{"start":32053.175,"end":32073.435,"text":"會提出補助的申請﹚該計劃是巴德交流道的延伸﹚對於桃竹廟大溪谷的推動也有正面的效益﹚日後市府送交計劃後本席希望院長能夠來要求相關部會﹚訂定中長城的個案補助計劃﹚例如新北市的1050道。 院長可以給本席承諾嗎?"},{"start":32074.421,"end":32081.427,"text":"巴德交流道能否順利興建,將會影響桃竹苗大矽谷是否能順利推動,也由於地方財政不足,需要仰賴中央協助,請中央務必全力支持。"},{"start":32101.87,"end":32121.448,"text":"本席請問院長,您自認是一位有效率有執行力的人嗎?努力。再來本席要針對山陰縣延伸桃園8的一案請教院長。 交通部於9月20日彙整資料後目前呈報行政院至今已經28天了。 請問部長目前的核定進度是?"},{"start":32126.17,"end":32151.729,"text":"目前他的中規在交通部的部分是原則上已經同意那也送到院本席在這邊也要和部長說也要和院長說院長這件案子從交通部陳列到審議結束共花費29天交通部補充資料送出城堡花費了101天行政院合決資金花了28天目前中央審議就花費一共158天如果再不核定天數只會一直累積"},{"start":32152.529,"end":32159.973,"text":"本席不得不提,我們來看到臺鐵征聖鳳鳴臨時站的計畫,從交通部承包到行政院合訂經費,院長您知道花了幾天嗎?這樣看是一個多月的時間"},{"start":32167.171,"end":32182.241,"text":"交通部提交計畫到行政院審查會議通過12天,審查會議到交通部修正計畫提出21天,提交修正計畫到核定僅花15天,該案為蘇貞昌院長任內使通過。"},{"start":32183.422,"end":32208.731,"text":"院長,蘇貞昌院長只花了48天就核定了偵涉鳳鳴戰役案,本席相信金人勝錢人,以卓部長的執行力與魄力,一定能夠超越前輩。 院長有沒有信心?因為上面那個案剛好牽扯到政府的新改組,所以當中應該有一些銜接的過程,我們表示抱歉。 那未來我們盡快照目前的程序來加速,做一個合理的決定。"},{"start":32209.885,"end":32237.311,"text":"是,院長儘快是多快?因為已經158天了。很快,就會加快,就會很快。希望可以在10月底前來做核定,可以嗎?我看他送到院裡面來,我們院裡相關的這個單位有沒有特別的其他意見,通常或許會再請這個部會或是地方表達不同的意見,如果沒有的話就很快。那有的話也是在讓這個計畫更完整,請委員放心。"},{"start":32238.947,"end":32254.019,"text":"三一線延伸巴德對於巴德還有大西的民眾至關重要,而且國發會也採支持的態度,所以麻煩卓院長展現效率在本月月底前,本席是希望可以在本月的月底前,那就核定三一線延伸巴德的計畫。"},{"start":32255.981,"end":32261.763,"text":"北橫國家風景區是我們桃園市政府近年推動的重要觀光政策。 去年市府為了宣傳北橫之美更是推出了北橫觀光形象影片。 根據桃園市政府統計"},{"start":32282.589,"end":32303.196,"text":"北橫的旅遊人次從111年的900多萬人次大幅提升到112年1131萬人次,代表北橫有良好的觀光資源還有發展觀光的潛力。 桃園市政府也在今年的6月7日函送北橫地區環境資源調查及評鑑作業說明書至交通部觀光署。"},{"start":32303.876,"end":32325.202,"text":"後續,人均評鑑和部落會議過半數決議同意等程序才能成立北橫國家風景區。就本席了解,目前北橫卡關的原因主要是因為原民會議無法順利召開。 本席就很納悶了,根據桃園市管理局表示,已經針對復興區的原民部落議院調查,"},{"start":32326.653,"end":32340.799,"text":"表示地方有民眾超過六成的民眾表示贊成而復興區有60個大小部落有部落會議的組織只有一半因此有一定的難度請問院長您贊不贊成成立北橫國家風景區"},{"start":32342.475,"end":32358.487,"text":"如果剛剛看委員這樣一個人數的成長表示國人也好或是世界上的朋友對這個地方會有很多的期待跟興趣那我們來成立是應該列為未來可以考慮的方向吧我們請交通部來積極的研究我們希望能夠盡快"},{"start":32363.431,"end":32386.159,"text":"還在討論目前就是卡在園民會那不得不說院長部長近期園民會委員爭議不斷照高進委員還有黃國昌委員指出他們月領8萬多元的高薪那他們也有些委員也只跑地方的混上喜慶所以在此本席要強力的來建議院長為了消除大家的質疑請院長與園民會主委來做溝通讓這18位"},{"start":32389.09,"end":32408.258,"text":"月領八萬高薪的原住民委員動起來了,協助桃園市政府還有各原民會部落來做溝通,成就中央地方齊心成立北橫國家公園的佳化。 院長您願意當這座溝通的橋樑嗎?原民會的委員代表各個族群部落不同的"},{"start":32409.411,"end":32409.711,"text":"委員會主委"},{"start":32431.69,"end":32448.593,"text":"是為了我們臺灣的觀光,就是我們大家一起動起來。那我們再來看另外一座橋。我們桃園大溪一直以來都是桃園的觀光重鎮。大溪的歷史可以追溯到秦龍年間,約末1736年,並有漢人逆襲而上開墾,所以留下了許多"},{"start":32449.013,"end":32450.615,"text":"臨近雙北,所以每當假日就有眾多的遊客和鄉客。"},{"start":32466.269,"end":32473.553,"text":"根據觀光署統計,大溪老城區109年有489.1萬人次造訪,逐年攀升到112年的698.8萬人次,其中112年的旅客人次相比115年多出105萬人次。慈湖臨景則是從109年的197.8萬人次攀升到112年的357.8萬人次。我們單從這兩個"},{"start":32496.547,"end":32521.144,"text":"大溪的遊客是呈現逐年增加的趨勢。由於大溪遭大旱溪切割的關係,導致大溪的老城區與大溪交流到分屬兩岸,所以每到假日便出現了嚴重的塞車問題。而老城區連外的橋樑僅有武嶺橋、坎津大橋,目前已經沒有辦法紓解假日的人潮和車流。"},{"start":32533.482,"end":32550.668,"text":"好,謝謝邱委員。報言會本日排定質詢的委員均與答詢完畢。謝謝卓院長及相關部會首長列席答詢。10月22日星期二上午9時繼續開會,進行交通組織質詢,現在休息。"},{"start":32673.181,"end":32673.201,"text":"二、3、4、5、6﹗"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}