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謝謝部長那現在再介紹一下我們林倩熙委員到現場我們在場委員以達山人我們來確定一下上次會議的議事錄有無錯誤或遺漏之處有沒有沒有好那沒有我們就議事錄確定"},{"start":2449.647,"end":2471.282,"text":"接下來我們要開始進行尋答每位出席委員尋答時間8分鐘必要的時候延長2分鐘列席委員質詢時間為4分鐘發言登記時間截止為今天上午10點30分委員如果有臨時提案提出請於上午10點半之前提出來並與本會委員範圍質詢結束之後來進行臨時提案的處理"},{"start":2476.545,"end":2485.235,"text":"處理臨時提案時：如果提案的委員：跟聯署的委員：均不在場：原例不予處理首先我們請發言登記第一位林倩熙委員質詢部長別急"},{"start":2499.616,"end":2511.8,"text":"主席還有各位立委員同仁謝謝稍微還有今天我們行政單位的各位夥伴們大家好我們現在有請李部長好我們有請李部長委員好部長好部長我們請下一頁"},{"start":2524.253,"end":2536.801,"text":"記得上個禮拜在院會質詢的時候本席提出這句話只有走不出歷史的人才會在文化威權中療傷請問一下部長林靜德當時給我的回應是什麼嗎我覺得我們要面對歷史不要忘記歷史大家能夠真實的面對我們歷史的傷痛才能讓我們的仇恨翻頁"},{"start":2550.226,"end":2571.742,"text":"謝謝我應該在上個會期聽到過應該您上個禮拜在回應我這句話的時候時間上可能沒有辦法把這個話記錄進去其實您只是很簡單的說說得很好那這個禮拜您有一些延伸所以我們就從您剛才所講的部分繼續下去那我們應該"},{"start":2573.203,"end":2601.336,"text":"翻頁往下一個部分開始走了那您剛才在講到這個希望天天都是文化日人人人都是文化人我自己本身覺得現在就已經是了所以在您講了這句話之後呢我也很期待未來我們在這樣子的一個基礎下能夠再往前走好謝謝所以今天本席要來跟您再探討我關於上個禮拜跟這個禮拜跟未來本席會注意的議題好那上個禮拜包括剛才"},{"start":2602.847,"end":2621.225,"text":"部長也有講到在我們面對過去的歷史應該翻頁您也知道在上個禮拜您也講到在全台灣的這個文化面其實很多元所以本席在這邊要來跟您再討論記得本席上個禮拜提出人權博物館的一些數據相信您應該是有記得"},{"start":2622.186,"end":2648.66,"text":"人權博物館的展對我記得那有一些數據嘛那我們知道這個白色恐怖的展大概至少一半以上62.5然後你們的出版品大概有接近70都是白色恐怖您在當時也覺得那台灣的族群多元那展覽在各個歷史的時期都應該被涵蓋但是本席的查詢人權博物館在10月份的展出8個裡面還是7個跟白色恐怖時期有關的"},{"start":2649.62,"end":2657.363,"text":"看起來還沒有跳脫出歷史的選擇跟還沒有擴大歷史時期的範圍那部長您對於這個部分的看法謝謝委員給我機會回答其實白色恐怖這樣一個名詞在台灣歷史上是一個漫長而非常複雜的時期"},{"start":2668.186,"end":2668.206,"text":"謝謝部長"},{"start":2694.58,"end":2715.36,"text":"那是不是可以請您說明一下在這個展的部分我們好因為我們這個人權博物館當初的選擇那個地址正好就是白色恐怖所發生的地方所以我們就選擇了比較接近白色恐怖的所發生的事情好謝謝部長那在人權博物館現在你們的空間範圍有哪一些"},{"start":2716.144,"end":2718.607,"text":"我們空間範圍裡面是原來那些當年在這個空間裡面所有的逮捕跟審問我們保持原來的樣子他是一個把過去的文化資產再做轉換的一個場面重新整修 請問一下 那我直接問啦 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27是不是撥個時間來看到我們這個林南通三不納兩會邀請你好嗎好"},{"start":7555.234,"end":7574.51,"text":"第二個我要跟部長特別預告現在是10點37分再過將近一個半小時我們的藝術界演藝界就會發生一件非常慘烈的一個狀況那件狀況部長您覺得是什麼剛剛許多的委員都有提到"},{"start":7579.077,"end":7597.575,"text":"你講周杰倫演唱會啊周杰倫演唱會大家會覺得這是好事啊怎麼會是慘烈的狀況部長我可以百分之一萬跟你保證待會12點以後他一定是接近秒殺然後呢開始就會哀鴻遍野全部的人就會告訴你買不到票"},{"start":7598.596,"end":7619.901,"text":"現在我也到處在拜託我朋友中午大家一起守在電腦看能不能搶到一張一張算一張我們只求一張而已啊那可是我要告訴你這個待會12點那不是人在買的那是機器人在買的你知道現在基本上剛剛有一些跟你看網頁啊但是你大概知道周杰倫演唱會一張票大概多少嗎10萬吧120萬"},{"start":7626.094,"end":7648.449,"text":"沒有啦一二十萬我的錢跟人家不太一樣你那個日幣啦是大概6800是最高的可是基本上九月多的新聞九月多的新聞沒有公布場次甚至有些人還不煞煞到底要辦在哪裡就已經有人在講要幫忙協助代購6萬2到6萬這樣子的一個價格"},{"start":7654.315,"end":7664.331,"text":"令我們瞠目結舌我們只是想聽一場藝文表演卻變成一場奢望部長這一次他有沒有實名制你知道嗎"},{"start":7666.345,"end":7691.601,"text":"看起來是沒有嘛對不對所以我要講真的是令我們非常擔憂12點以後我們一起來見證這一場慘烈的狀況周杰倫我自己都想親眼目睹一次做一個立法委員都難以去買到這樣子的一個演唱會門票更可想而知我們平常所有的國人所奢望就變成是一個夢"},{"start":7692.842,"end":7707.419,"text":"我希望說我們的打黃牛辦公室實際的作為讓民眾能夠看到可是我要講的是部長您自己本身也是藝術界您知道當這個不管是藝術品或者是作者"},{"start":7708.14,"end":7732.11,"text":"被所有的粉絲或者是國人所愛戴的時候那對他們來說是一個非常崇高的是非常開心的可是真正的粉絲卻沒辦法進入到現場去觀看而是黃牛不斷的透過我還曾經看過新聞報導人家是直接採訪黃牛業者黃牛業者直接跟大家講他一個月賺幾百萬"},{"start":7734.399,"end":7762.83,"text":"這讓我們看到真的是很痛心所以我要拜託部長我希望在近期打蚊牛辦公室能夠給我們實際的作為相關的期程或者是變革這部分您可以答應嗎這個世界是蠻不公平的你剛剛講說粉絲看不到黃牛從這邊賺很多錢這世界真的很不公平我盡量再想辦法用我們現在現有的那些其實我們一直在做"},{"start":7764.453,"end":7765.114,"text":"我只能感觸啊"},{"start":7779.267,"end":7807.064,"text":"好不要這樣子的態度我們希望是會努力面對改進好來部長在質詢我想跟你詢問一個問題雖然你是文學專家可能不是繪畫專家但我想文學跟繪畫其實都是藝術中不可或缺的重要領域我仍然想聽聽你的一些意見這個藝術的問題很難去界定但是他很主觀但我內心是有一個答案本席想先邀請你欣賞這一幅畫我們看一下BTT"},{"start":7807.964,"end":7811.369,"text":"然後再進一步問部長這個問題部長有沒有看過這一幅圖畫沒有印象喔作者是誰我們也大概不知道這幅畫是幾世紀創作出來的"},{"start":7819.298,"end":7835.974,"text":"也不太知道好沒關係我們來看喔他看起來很像一一幅名畫但其實他不是名畫這幅畫是一名國外的男子啊他使用AI去製作的繪圖他拿這一個生成圖像去參加科羅拉多科羅拉多州的博覽會舉辦的美術展結果獲獎"},{"start":7840.799,"end":7854.39,"text":"評審團認為這幅畫達到了懂得講述故事以及有靈魂的作品的標準那很多網友就崩潰啊覺得這目睹了藝術消亡在我們眼前開始的時刻請問部長你認同嗎你覺得AI藝術創作算是藝術嗎"},{"start":7862.608,"end":7888.789,"text":"AI藝術也算是一種藝術但是因為它是透過機器去把人類的智慧再反推回來我們不能說它不是藝術但是我們要分辨什麼是自己原創什麼是AI的設計這個對我們來講尤其是文化部我們實際上對外徵件嘛徵繪本也好徵漫畫也好徵文學作品也好這點對我們來講是非常重要的去分辨它到底是AI還是原創"},{"start":7889.87,"end":7905.426,"text":"但是你說AI不是藝術好像也不能這樣講因為藝術的廣義就是大家可以欣賞就算是藝術對 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旁邊點頭如搗蒜是不是直接回答一下"},{"start":8136.767,"end":8139.209,"text":"我希望這些指引AI生成式的指引要趕快出來讓藝術界能夠更加安心讓AI創作能夠有更加的明確指引這個部分麻煩文化部好嗎謝謝"},{"start":8165.001,"end":8190.857,"text":"好,謝謝羅廷偉委員我想等一下12點因為我們這裡還在開會喔倒是那個文化部有人有空真的可以看一下這個羅廷委員剛剛所謂的這個災難喔不過部長真的要提醒您喔其實昨天我有朋友好整以暇的說他一定會有這個周杰倫的票因為呢他說這個有人就是找他很清楚就是6萬塊代購所以今天很多委員在談這個議題喔我想文化部還是要注意一下好那謝謝羅廷偉委員接下來我們有請陳秀寶委員質詢"},{"start":8197.74,"end":8201.044,"text":"謝主席請李部長請李部長部長早安"},{"start":8209.793,"end":8229.467,"text":"那我在這邊還是要跟你討論一下這個不公平的事件今天早上其實很多委員就非常關心今天中午12點會開搶的這個周杰倫的演唱會的票那其實在票還沒有開始出售之前呢其實代購費就已經在網路上沸沸揚揚6萬6萬2所以一張票最高可以來到將近7萬塊那其實我們過去一直在討論說如何防止黃牛票"},{"start":8236.192,"end":8257.847,"text":"是不是其實我們應該檢討從根本做起我們把重點放在討論跟業者討論是不是把售票模式改為抽票制那過去在委員會我也一直有質詢那實施次長也曾經表達過說他也認為說其實抽票制會是防治黃牛票的一個好的方式之一"},{"start":8258.507,"end":8268.831,"text":"那也說到有一直以來有在跟業者做溝通希望可以改變我們台灣主流的這個售票模式那在這邊我要請教部長目前我們討論有沒有什麼結果或是說有什麼進度剛剛講說那個抽票制好像還不在我們的討論範圍內我們只是目前只做到實名制還有配套的降低演唱會環流剛剛講到那個抽票制我想我們未來會列入考慮"},{"start":8287.887,"end":8302.907,"text":"所以實名制我們有在做然後我們這個我們用重罰來懲治這個黃牛票來打防治黃牛票這個我們現在正在做但是所謂的這個好方法之一的抽票制我們還沒有開始進行討論嗎"},{"start":8305.148,"end":8333.328,"text":"因為那個我們每次要開賣這種東西我們要尊重那個主辦單位他要怎麼做我們譬如說我們希望他實名制他不肯做或者跟他講抽票制他不肯做我們完全沒有辦法就是他主辦單位本身要用什麼方式賣票所以跟業者開始討論的這個門還沒有打開有啊就是希望他怎麼做可是他也有權利不做因為他不願意用實名制因為可能會影響他賣票之類的"},{"start":8334.663,"end":8362.235,"text":"這部分其實你看從早上質詢到現在這麼多委員都非常的關心關於黃牛票這麼猖獗那其實改變我們我國目前主流售票方式其實是防治黃牛票一個很可以有很顯著效果的一個做法當然如果業者這邊一直沒有辦法我們還沒有辦法跟他們有共識也希望說我們我們化部這邊可以更積極的更努力來跟業者做溝通部長你覺得是這一點我們一定會做"},{"start":8362.998,"end":8378.612,"text":"好,謝謝部長那接下來我們跟部長您請教您在今天的質詢裡面有提到說要將文化幣向下延伸的這個事辦計畫那你們要擴大的年齡層是13到15歲大概就是國中生的年紀那預計發放文化幣的點是600點"},{"start":8382.315,"end":8393.233,"text":"那發放的份數是60.5萬那其實今天有委員執行過這樣子估算起來其實114年度文化幣編列的預算是就1.5千萬"},{"start":8396.061,"end":8418.76,"text":"原本發放的對象是16到22歲的這個年輕人那你再加上我們估算起來的這樣子的國中生的這個年紀再加上這樣子的預算起來會超出就是你本來的編列的預算會有短處那這個部分還不包括就是說我們無化幣的整個運作APP的維護費用還有我們行銷費用那這個短處的這個經費無化部這邊要如何來支應"},{"start":8424.685,"end":8424.705,"text":"委員會議員會議員會議員會議"},{"start":8446.303,"end":8452.865,"text":"所以大概是這個原因就是會看事辦的結果之後才決定要不要用1200將來變預算的規模那這邊我也想請教其實因為我們13到15歲這個年紀就是國中生那其實他們可能比較難很獨立的自己去參展去參觀展覽或者是觀賞戲劇的表演通常還是會需要家長的協助那我們在這個辦理的時候我們如何引導學生來使用那領取的方式會跟現在的"},{"start":8475.551,"end":8501.15,"text":"這個年齡階層的領用的方式是一樣的嗎就是我們為什麼會下降就是希望下降的這個年齡可以有親子一起來共同活動然後除了手機之外我們會也許他如果沒有手機我們就另外一個發卷的方法其實要不要下降這個問題其實我們在內部討論了很久大家一直認為13到15歲會不會太小"},{"start":8503.712,"end":8505.975,"text":"我自己很想試試看所以我用示範的方式"},{"start":8521.493,"end":8542.705,"text":" 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那因為上個會期其實我就希望因為我們既然希望有更多的心血能夠投入所謂的影視工作我們也希望給觀眾有更多不同的一個視野跟更廣的一個視聽的環境那我們也希望就是能夠把所謂的職安的規範也納入相關科系的院所當中成為一個必修的一個課程這個部分有跨部會跟教育部來做討論嗎"},{"start":10646.108,"end":10650.957,"text":"這個部分跟教育部或者是跟業者我們想我們都有討論對要討論還是有討論還是還沒討論將來會討論應該有討論吧我們來回答一下"},{"start":10661.173,"end":10677.887,"text":"教育部的部分我們目前是沒有討論但是我們是補助業者公協會去跟業者還有就是跟他們做一個職安的一個教育訓練目前的做法是這樣子那可不可以也跨部會因為我們希望其實有更多因為其實有很多"},{"start":10678.887,"end":10697.404,"text":"對於這個行業他們還是有一定憧憬不管幕前幕後其實他們也希望能夠閉了業之後能夠真正投入業界可是在職安的這個部分其實我覺得是非常重要的是不是有可能可以把這樣子的一個課程也納入大專相關院所那這個部分可以跟教育部再來做討論可以嗎我們馬上跟教育部去協調"},{"start":10700.286,"end":10712.249,"text":"那我想呢接著下來我想要問的其實剛剛這個陳培鈺委員有特別提到我們在對於所謂的自己的創作跟出版業者自己的書籍被所謂的這個應該是說盜版這個問題其實我們文化部"},{"start":10718.211,"end":10742.992,"text":"不能再這麼的消極那另外一個問題我想要提到的就是文化輸出的部分跟文化被挪用的部分我們文化部是不是也應該要拿出一點點自己的態度跟積極跟霸氣出來那我想呢硬硬所謂的台灣文化不要被挪用也不要被弱化有一個例子就是最近其實加拿大的一個使勁秀"},{"start":10744.253,"end":10771.156,"text":"那加拿大的有一個珍奶的產品這個品牌叫做波霸他刻意忽略了珍珠奶茶起源是在台灣刻意忽略了這樣子的一個行銷的一個政策那當然在網路上其實也有很多人有廣泛的一個討論最主要的原因是因為華裔的演員劉思慕他也特別質疑這個波霸奶茶的一個業者他有涉嫌所謂的文化挪用"},{"start":10772.017,"end":10774.68,"text":"的這樣子的一個狀況跟問題啦那我想呢如果部長還記得其實我們的這個巴黎的奧運我們特別也有所謂的文化奧運台灣館波爸奶茶大家為了搶那個福袋啊裡頭那個波爸奶茶的胸針啊"},{"start":10789.497,"end":10805.867,"text":"是每一個人其實都還想要連選手自己本身都要做交換所以不怕那其實是台灣的一個我們特有的一個文化但我們也不容許這個被汙名化或者是文化被挪用而不說明這個部分我們的文化部有更積極更強勢的面對嗎"},{"start":10809.622,"end":10810.322,"text":"國際合作在地化"},{"start":10839.783,"end":10840.605,"text":"就這樣,有一些比較具體的一個"},{"start":10847.69,"end":10875.029,"text":"說明嗎?我的意思是就是將來在面對這樣子有可能會層出不窮的一個問題出現的時候我們的台灣文化要怎麼樣捍衛啊?目前我們大概到今年開始我們比較有能力做大型的展覽會剛剛提到那個巴黎奧運我們的文化我們只能透過這種大型的展會來在不同的地方去展現我們的文化的那種實力然後明年我們在日本會做這個這個"},{"start":10879.651,"end":10899.715,"text":"大阪市博類似這樣的活動我們透過一些跟國際交流有一些其實是跟政策上的語言相關那維護台灣文化其實文化部這個是我們的首要的責任那不管是在國際或者是國內其實都是一樣的我想這個態度要先拿出來再說好嗎可以嗎是可以"},{"start":10901.215,"end":10922.477,"text":"那另外呢最後一點時間我來問一下因為今天等一下大概在我想大概半個小時過後周杰倫的演唱會門票要開始販售了對不對很多人急著要搶票那我先幫一位身心障礙者因為他有特別就是致電到我的辦公室他有特別提到那就是搶票在"},{"start":10924.479,"end":10937.488,"text":"買票這個部分我們的平權的問題對於所謂的身心障礙者是不是可以更加的人性化更加的友善因為呢就他所講的現在是不是還要用傳真然後再回傳然後經過人工的統計審核之後再來回覆這個人工的統計是不是還要跟衛福部這邊來確認他的這個身上的身份通常在回傳到確定已經五天了"},{"start":10954.239,"end":10956.341,"text":"我們其實已經經過多次的溝通像那個售票系統也像我們提出申請開始進行測試"},{"start":10983.558,"end":10985.84,"text":"所以是業者不願意配合還是都在測試的階段嗎?是主辦方不採用這樣子的一個系統嗎?"},{"start":11000.664,"end":11014.782,"text":"謝謝委員提問喔,就是我們大概從11年開始其實確實也跟衛福這邊完成了一個借接希望所有的售票平台都能夠借接這樣子的系統他就可以加速那個身障者購票的時候的身份認證"},{"start":11015.823,"end":11035.639,"text":"那因為其實他每一個系統開發需要一些時間那我們也持續再請各個售票平台都能進行到目前為止大概已經有13家業者是完成測試借接然後上線服務那目前剛有提到的這個是拓園拓園因為他的速度比較慢但他現在也已經跟我們申請了測試賬號我們會請他盡快加速建制完成這個借接服務的提供"},{"start":11040.703,"end":11066.009,"text":"因為這個去年9月其實我們就統計身心障礙者的人數已經超過我們全國的總人數的5%了所以其實不要剝奪他們的一個權利啦那能夠快就快那當然如果是卡在業者的部分我想這個我們的文化部這個部分是不是也可以輔導一些業者能夠盡快的用這樣子的一個系統讓人家在線上就可以來做購票的這樣子的一個動作等一下"},{"start":11067.469,"end":11081.875,"text":"要開始搶票那我想如果這禮拜我沒有再接到這個澄清者的電話表示他有搶票成功如果沒有下次我們再來問好不好好謝謝部長謝謝主席好謝謝郭育勳委員接下來我們有請吳佩儀委員質詢謝謝主席我請文化部李遠部長好有請李部長"},{"start":11099.191,"end":11117.031,"text":"吳委員好部長好剛剛前面很多的委員關心演唱會經濟尤其是很多在野黨委員相當的關心那我想不管是關心什麼樣的文化議題我們最要關心的其實是我們的文化預算"},{"start":11118.032,"end":11139.897,"text":"因為沒有預算什麼事都無法做那我自己在這一屆競選立法委員的選舉公報上面其中一項政見就是我們的文化預算要逐年來提升過去幾年我很樂見看到我們文化預算確實逐年提升但我都認為還不夠所以這一次我看到文化部編的預算是首次"},{"start":11140.737,"end":11149.525,"text":"中華民國史上首次突破了300億這是我們史上最高的文化預算所以我其實心情是相當相當的振奮按照不利來計算我們比去年的預算成長是超過了10%將近12%這也顯示了我們現在的政府對我們文化以及相關"},{"start":11162.296,"end":11174.727,"text":"表演相關產業等等的重視但我覺得最遺憾的就是這一份預算現在史上最高的文化預算提出來了但是目前呢在野黨還在阻擋我們到現在這一份預算還沒辦法送進委員會裡面甚至院會都送不進來審查"},{"start":11182.714,"end":11189.138,"text":"所以我希望今天在這個委員會裏面我們討論非常多跟文化有關的計劃我希望大家要有一個共識我們要有預算的審查好好來討論都可以有不同的意見但至少要讓我們這一份文化的預算有被審查的機會尤其是剛這麼多的在野黨委員葛如君羅廷偉我的好同事們"},{"start":11208.652,"end":11213.218,"text":"還有這個業員之委員你都一直在關心演唱會經濟演唱會經濟不就是影視音產業我們很重要的一部分嗎部長我幫你看了一下你的這個預算因為超過300億的預算你們裡面的新興預算大概是多少"},{"start":11226.926,"end":11241.062,"text":"一星預算我沒有加過捏新星的預算我幫你算了一下大約是53億就是說你今年文化部的預算有六分之一都叫做新星預算預算審查的概念立法院如果沒有通過如果在野黨還在黨的話你的新星預算計畫部長"},{"start":11245.286,"end":11250.269,"text":"一個都不能動喔一個都不能動之喔這不是年度預算喔所以說喔這個新興預算很重要我看到裡面例如你影視音產業有一個續航發展計畫嘛14.99億這新興預算地方藝人場館博物館地方文化館深耕計畫5.85G這個新興預算我們的國家漫畫營運推展這個0.5億這新興預算"},{"start":11270.558,"end":11298.769,"text":"等等的我們很多的六分之一今年送進來預算都叫做信心預算所以我希望我們因為這個國會頻道國人大家都在看不是只有立法委員重視我們希望這個文化部今年提出來首次史上最高的文化預算我們可以趕快送進立法院裡面來大家一起來好好討論那部長你這個業務報告我跟你認真看了12項沃土計畫這份報告我請教是不是有些部分是你親自撰寫的"},{"start":11300.295,"end":11320.95,"text":"我試著 其實我蠻用功的 我帶領我們整個部會 一直在討論那個內容我試著自己也寫了一點 因為我丟出一個蠻難的題目 就是要把整個文化部的不同師整合在一起所以剛開始有點混亂 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這個沒有做好的話市場會萎縮 企業會倒閉 負稅加重 撫養加重 消費消退這是一個全面性的 這個是一個國家的危機 國安危機 這個部長認同吧"},{"start":11952.448,"end":11968.484,"text":"完全認同現在為什麼我一直在推壯世代因為解放就在這裡因為未來增加的是這一方面的人我們一定要往增加的人來找解放不是往減少的地方來找解放"},{"start":11969.025,"end":11982.016,"text":"是嗎?而且這裡掌握三分之財富所有的資源在這裡一定要把這裡龐大的我們視為無用的人把它激發出來這才是未來救國之道部長認同嗎?"},{"start":11984.019,"end":12004.582,"text":"：議員"},{"start":12004.742,"end":12033.261,"text":"都是戰後嬰兒草領導出來的這些人都邁向60歲了超過60歲了就過程現在所謂高齡者我們好好的善用他們的文化資產這就是國外提出的警訊因為人口結構的明顯已經變成長期化了他要協同各部會來針對少子化勞動市場經濟產業財政收支社會環境這些議題都跟人口有問題"},{"start":12035.402,"end":12048.089,"text":"這個請問跟文化部的關係其實我在上個會期我就質詢過希望文化部把壯世代的文化產業需求納入這個調查報告當中不曉得這個計畫進行如何"},{"start":12055.64,"end":12058.581,"text":"我不是要給你們邀請,我是要跟你們同工一起把這事情做好"},{"start":12086.31,"end":12113.385,"text":"另外一個在勞動力上面因為這不是開玩笑的事情台灣的高齡者勞參率亞洲最低再來的話這個是國防會的推估報告當中其實現在45歲以上的勞參率已經成為主流已經高於45歲以下的但是我們的社會很多像104什麼聘用員工45歲以上都不聘用了你知道嗎"},{"start":12114.676,"end":12127.723,"text":"我們都認為這些都是高齡者是無用就是退化的人了我們企業很多但是他已經成為社會主力如果繼續在這樣的一個價值觀念未來是找不到勞工的"},{"start":12129.363,"end":12149.754,"text":"找不到勞工的這個對經濟所以這個我也跟勞動部也提到了勞動部認為我們現在勞動部把45歲定義為中高齡高齡欸45歲是什麼是開始老人復老代退那他覺得這是一個文化問題啦這認為這文化問題所以呢而且"},{"start":12153.476,"end":12176.216,"text":"普遍的企業是歧視高齡者政府帶頭其實解放就在文化部了上次我們有公聽會也很感謝徐宜君次長全程參與了4個小時也表達了對壯世代強調壯世代多元文化的參與還有對這個市場的重視"},{"start":12179.622,"end":12208.028,"text":"但是呢我們在做壯世代的文化調查各部會現在有13個部會加入壯世代各部會加入文化部的回覆是預算是零那所以呢OK我現在沒有但我知道文化部是很清楚該怎麼做比如說性平性平的這樣子的當你要引導整個對性平的歧視的時候文化部就推出你看這麼多的作為"},{"start":12209.488,"end":12231.953,"text":"這麼多的作為所以我相信這個壯世代是一個高齡解放的文化運動它的本質就是高齡解放的文化運動那文化不要當這個時代的起手所以呢這個如果你想做我相信可以規劃出很多"},{"start":12232.853,"end":12248.387,"text":"很多具體的作為各種展場各種的工具文化部很多都包括電影包括音樂包括什麼藝術都可以去表達引導這個文化但是呢現在我可以看得出來文化部還是把它當作一個邊緣的議題"},{"start":12250.089,"end":12250.549,"text":"文化部部長"},{"start":12269.404,"end":12294.156,"text":"這個委員寬限了三個月針對這樣子的人口變化壯世代的真正的面對對於我們的一個文化的政策可以提出這個方案來可以嗎部長三個月其實我們在許多計畫裡都跟這個有關只是沒有把委員講的中壯世代這個range把它變成是一個好像弱勢團體那我們可以整理出不是弱勢團體它是強壯的團體只是你們把它當弱勢團體"},{"start":12298.058,"end":12326.653,"text":"我們的文化界把這些人當弱勢團體因為你剛剛講文化部編的是零我覺得不是我們是把它分散在所有的活動裡但是呢我們把它整理出來給各位議員但是這是一個重點的議題這是一個有策略性的議題因為問題的發生都在這裡解放也在這裡我們經常政府喜歡把它打散我是文化是全民性的你全民性交360度策略360度叫原地打轉策略就叫做沒有策略"},{"start":12327.253,"end":12346.466,"text":"沒有想法想到什麼做什麼就叫全面性策略問題已經就是在這高齡者壯世代不是特殊族群他是高齡者讓我們去汙名化以後叫做壯世代這樣子一個認知不要把壯世代當作一個特殊就是高齡社會來臨的然後這個跟文化部"},{"start":12347.326,"end":12348.506,"text":"接下來我們有請范雲昭委質詢"},{"start":12378.461,"end":12381.256,"text":"謝謝召委有請部長有請李部長"},{"start":12386.764,"end":12387.365,"text":"范委員你好"},{"start":12417.485,"end":12442.539,"text":"首先外面有點誤會就是國發基金跟我們的輔導金其實國發基金是一個投資的概念投資就是剛開始是投資公司後來同意我們投資專案所以我要非常感謝我們的國發會的劉主委我一上任第一件事情就拜託他給我們下一個100億為什麼呢因為大家都知道如果我們沒有足夠的錢我們完全"},{"start":12443.559,"end":12471.781,"text":"會在這個產業中消失因為韓國跟日本的那個投在文創產業包括影視產業的錢是遠遠超過我們10倍20倍的所以這個100億非常重要就是我們得用這個100億來去投資鼓勵民間的資金引到我們整個文創產業先是建立幾個基金比如說我前面已經報告過中華電信遠傳大哥大我們先去尋找這些已經擁有這個"},{"start":12474.043,"end":12474.564,"text":"委員會主席"},{"start":12491.084,"end":12507.858,"text":"﹚議員"},{"start":12507.958,"end":12529.299,"text":"另外三分之二就要民間拿錢出來所以這一百億第一件事情就是做這個第二件事情就是找國際合作找國際合作亞洲韓國或者國際的美國他們那些大公司我們也跟他一起合作最希望就是我們的影片拍出來可以賣到全世界的市場那這個真的需要我們政府先拿出第一筆錢"},{"start":12530.16,"end":12552.103,"text":"好那謝部長那聽起來部長有非常積極的爭取到就是這樣子一個100億那希望國發基金可以真的點燃我們文創產業的火花那當然也希望後續申請各方面的部分都能夠讓我們文化工作者覺得能夠更符合他們的需求那我相信文化部在努力中"},{"start":12553.103,"end":12578.132,"text":"再來我也想請問部長這個黃流票的部分那部長應該有注意到就是其實就雨多田光這個新聞報告中你就有看到說的確已經開始有這個實名制而且會大幅減少不正常的搶票行為之前我們本來希望修法讓文化部在法規中就要求實名制可是當時文化部是說用"},{"start":12578.652,"end":12604.731,"text":"護理要所以我知道你們在鼓勵可是我要講的另外一個部分就是說實名制如果不落實的話目前的檢舉制度看起來文創法修法後就是黃牛還是很猖獗這個以周杰倫的票價為例不知道部長有沒有注意到比如說原本四樓座位的票價是1880在黃牛仍然猖獗之後四樓的"},{"start":12606.152,"end":12626.699,"text":"隨機票價之後就變成2萬6那我們辦公室繼續去了解的情況就發現說問題出在說第一個我們目前鼓勵業者實名制售票的這個成效還是不佳第二個就是檢舉難以成案"},{"start":12627.739,"end":12637.543,"text":"我們收到陳情就是我今年4月也有問文化部目前檢舉的標準真的太嚴格了以你們創造的這個表單來講你等於是要先買黃牛票才能夠查黃牛票我也問了文化部文化部留給我很長的內容我發現文化部留給我的內容讀起來看好像怎麼改善"},{"start":12654.349,"end":12683.094,"text":"你們就是一下修要說要根據修社會秩序維護法一下就是說文創這個上次修過的法還不夠還要再修我是其實是覺得有一點點失望欸上一次就是好不容易大家這樣大修之後可是當時文化部的版本沒有預測到執行還是有問題現在跟我們提的方式說不然修社會秩序維護法要不然文創法什麼某一條還要再修那到底"},{"start":12683.934,"end":12711.714,"text":"有沒有可能在就是真的要再修法還是你們目前的行政作為就是降低檢舉門檻是不是可以做到的因為就我自己來研究的話也許你就降低檢舉的門檻要針對黃牛的圖利行為而非販售事後才追查因為我看你們給我的資料臺北市光是資料不全的就600多件那已經資料齊全的"},{"start":12712.535,"end":12740.845,"text":"如果沒有記錯的話兩三百件中好像只有九件各位數被裁罰光是資料符合之後都只有就是這麼低的筆數被裁罰那資料不全的那個以台北市你們給我的資料中法上路之後到現在六百多件都是資料不全你是不是可以針對這個部分好好的檢討那我現在提供兩個方向部長看看是不是可以"},{"start":12742.641,"end":12756.369,"text":"實名制還是要更積極的加強鼓勵業者使用就像我剛剛講的那個報導中他如果學習日本就是並用實名制的話大幅下降那業者的困難到底是什麼也許我們可以一起來協助為什麼他們不想要用實名制"},{"start":12759.491,"end":12785.219,"text":"那第二個檢舉的標準是不是可以落實那我這邊提兩個就是能不能夠就以他的行為面在販售而不是說我要釣魚因為我今天買到票才有第幾排這幾個位子嗎那買到票之後不就變成共犯了他就不會來檢舉了那如果這個行為出現的時候然後轉售票合理成本的種類跟比例那這個部分是不是也能夠明定那部長是不是可以簡短回答因為我待會還有一題要請問您"},{"start":12788.034,"end":12788.054,"text":"委員會議"},{"start":12803.661,"end":12818.189,"text":"好那請部長一個月內給我一個報告好不好初步的報告可以好那另外我想那個剛剛有委員談到性別平等部長應該知道我們是亞洲最性別平等的國家可是我們卻沒有一個"},{"start":12818.949,"end":12847.696,"text":"國家級的婦女性別人權館我們有這麼多的重要歷史世界然後跟人權婦女性別團體的努力那我們辦公室去了解說南韓在婦女權益比我們差很多可是他們已經有婦女歷史館戰爭與女性人權博物館不管是慰安婦或者轉型正義中的女性的資料那烏克蘭也都有就是相關的而是他們性別平權的指數都還不比我們"},{"start":12848.416,"end":12860.983,"text":"所以請問部長如果台灣要設立婦女性別人權管您覺得可以如何規劃呢?第一個您就是認不認同應該要這樣管第二個如果要規劃您覺得可以怎麼規劃呢?"},{"start":12863.533,"end":12889.548,"text":"其實台灣的婦女的人權的確在全世界的排名是非常前面的所以如果我們要成立一個人權管可能他就是要一個我們在性別的奮鬥的過程中有足夠的歷史但是這個社管這件事情牽涉到行政院的一些管所的那個結構這點你問我要如何規劃我一下還沒想出來"},{"start":12891.349,"end":12911.594,"text":"對部長你們還沒想出來但是我謝謝你很認同那你還沒想出方法我最近想了半天想到一個方法跟部長請議我知道你們這個人權館展示的典藏大樓在4月開工那雖然開工前那部長應該有聽聞有一些爭議嘛人權館有不同的想法可是看起來已經來不及了"},{"start":12912.074,"end":12939.028,"text":"就是就在開工了因為這是一個重要的工程又有預算所以我想到的是文化部是不是可以評估那當然也找我們婦女跟人權團性別團體一起人權團一起討論這中間居然這麼多層的話有沒有可能舉例來說譬如說一層他就放在婦女性別人權這個主題上我覺得我今天只是跟你說是不是文化部可以去評估看看部長覺得呢"},{"start":12940.509,"end":12957.577,"text":"其實我剛剛也被質詢到說這個地方是白色恐怖為主的一些展覽那事實上我來到文化部之後我就希望我們人權館開始推出大型的電影就是講人權電影人權電影裡面就有像剛剛您提到的婦女與性別的人權"},{"start":12959.438,"end":12973.274,"text":"人選不再限於白色恐怖這樣的歷史記錄所以您剛才提的我不敢立刻回答你是因為我來的時候他已經開始動工了我得了解一下他裡面原來的一些內容我再回答你"},{"start":12974.235,"end":13003.716,"text":"當然我想其實地點是不是在那個部分可能有很多要考慮的那我想今天就請部長能夠承諾開始研議第一個婦女性別人權管的可能規劃第二個那很明確的展出應該要含納各歷史時期推動爭取女性權益跟性別平權的過程這樣可以嗎可以那部長我這個時間多一點好了那個是不是您覺得多少時間可以給我一個初步的報告呢"},{"start":13004.834,"end":13012.34,"text":"大概3個月要不要好沒問題3個月因為這個好事需要多一點時間來琢磨謝謝部長辛苦了謝謝你謝謝好謝謝發言委員那請部長先回座現在我們開始處理臨時提案今天有委員提出臨時提案即一案請宣讀"},{"start":13026.347,"end":13054.733,"text":"臺灣嘻哈音樂在近年有令人瞩目之發展因此敬請演員以下事項一文策院對嘻哈等流行音樂產業加強支持如投資媒合促進二文化部影視局應與文策院一同提升對流行音樂之輔導補助再創作音樂相關IP展演與國際傳播各方面予以支持以拓展台流的國內與海外市場提案人吳佩義林一錦曾培育宣讀完畢"},{"start":13059.554,"end":13080.355,"text":"請問一下我們提案的委員還有各位委員有沒有補充或要說明的意見好沒有那部長有沒有補充我們就遵照辦理好那沒有意見我們照案通過那我們的這個提案如果有委員要補簽請議事人員詳細登載在議事錄那接著我們繼續進行質詢那下一位我們有請陳清輝委員"},{"start":13087.748,"end":13091.464,"text":"主席好我想請部長好有請李遠部長"},{"start":13096.372,"end":13105.416,"text":"陳委員好部長我今天想詢問您的是一個幾乎全台灣的人現在正在做的我們正在質詢的當下呢12點周杰倫的票開賣那我們辦公室也是一陣強啊他們前面是先當機當機五分鐘那過了五分鐘以後告訴你全部賣完了那當然這"},{"start":13120.202,"end":13143.337,"text":"這幾個禮拜以來網絡有許多的亂象我也跟部長講一下比如說有學校的老師呢他就跟學生說我們禮拜三提早10分鐘下課大家去找一個網速夠快的地方好嗎然後獲得學校的一陣好評也有網友在粹上面呢宣傳自己製作的搶票練習小工具結果有200萬人在上面練習那"},{"start":13145.979,"end":13169.845,"text":"我覺得比較遺憾的是之後文化部可能還要結合許許多多的部門剛講的是去文但真實的是有黃牛很早就開始販售而且是販售兩倍以上的價格還教你先匯錢如果你先匯錢最後有拿到票就算了還有網紅他自己拍片哭訴說最後居然是被詐騙了那"},{"start":13172.086,"end":13180.157,"text":"如果未來這個詐騙的狀況越來越多我也想知道文化部要如何跟其他的部門結合來因應這樣子的亂象"},{"start":13183.297,"end":13202.324,"text":"其實我們文化部能做的就是不斷的修正這種包括跟地方政府的合作還有透過律師去了解怎麼樣去懲處目前我覺得我們的速度就是的確我們的程序比較慢一點所以目前已經被我們處罰大概有75件然後大概罰了500多萬"},{"start":13204.705,"end":13205.305,"text":"我現在越來越討厭那個周杰倫了"},{"start":13221.823,"end":13240.001,"text":"因為其實我訪問過他但是因為他這麼紅的結果就是我今天從第一場問到現在還是說然後這好像蠻無解的我現在蠻狠的部長剛剛講的一些方法我等一下也想給部長一些實際的建議啦我們也不要一直是批評嘛"},{"start":13241.462,"end":13268.74,"text":"好那這個當然這個剛其他委員有講我還要先買到黃牛票我才可以檢舉黃牛票好但是買完以後呢我剛講大家是在意有沒有被詐騙他買完如果看了開心其實他是不會檢舉他只有真的這個負評他覺得負面感受不好他才會來檢舉因此你收到這樣子的檢舉是不太可能會有很多啦因為他就已經先買了好"},{"start":13269.881,"end":13292.204,"text":"在這邊也有其他人說這個文化創意發展法的規定你當然這個定義就已經寫得不清楚所以你會嘗試想要修改這個定義嗎因為超過這個票價現在他們就說是委託或者是服務等等的那剛你有提到說各縣市政府結果呢"},{"start":13293.065,"end":13308.361,"text":"我們辦公室有接獲到縣市政府的吹哨者把您發的公文給我們看那文化部發的公文的確是文化部的這個口吻是大家一般人看不懂的沒有講白話文你們說我念給您聽您說有關代購代搶"},{"start":13312.365,"end":13330.278,"text":"人應就行為人是否以代購代搶之法律關係包裝違法行為考量各個因素依權值為綜合判斷您看完這個文化部的公文是不是有聽君一席話如聽一席話的感覺"},{"start":13331.874,"end":13350.657,"text":"因為在這個法治國家我們都請律師來幫我們認定那個法所以他會給我們定一些的確是蠻複雜的一種認定因為你要考慮到人生的那個自由跟那個個資嘛所以我們的方法是的確蠻複雜可是都是因為法律的要求"},{"start":13351.454,"end":13366.425,"text":"是啊如果你要發剛剛這樣子的公文給地方政府地方政府表達看不懂那下來呢現在變成我們的黃牛他現在變成他在主打他不是詐騙集團所以像這個他就會在下面有很多正評"},{"start":13367.406,"end":13374.751,"text":"有跟他買過票的人一直去認證說這一家絕對不是詐騙集團然後他現在已經服務粉絲最多即將邁向五萬人所以這個也會變成年輕人對文化部的抱怨因為五萬人想買票想要一起促進我們台灣的文化產業結果通通不得其門而入只能來找這個代購大王最後我只是要跟部長們來交流一下因為"},{"start":13393.385,"end":13414.903,"text":"在這邊呢你看所有法院喔全台灣法院的判決結果最後只有4件還不是全部都判有罪所以這件事情已經這麼嚴重可是到現在也只有4件所以壞人走在前面就跟部長講的一樣那這邊法官也說如果沒有好的法源他真的是很難去判斷所以這邊也請部長多加油好嗎謝謝謝謝主席"},{"start":13417.884,"end":13431.877,"text":"所以部長是不是可以未來考慮出一個含釋清清楚楚我們把標準定出來比如說代購費代買費超過多少錢或是大量購買多大量就一律來認定為實質上的黃牛"},{"start":13434.102,"end":13434.382,"text":"接下來我們有請楊瓊英委員質詢"},{"start":13469.818,"end":13470.639,"text":"謝謝主席 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謝謝委員因為這個由於有這個漫畫館的籌備書成立之後使得我們整個漫畫的活動等等已經積極的進行目前我們編的預算到明年應該是繼續修繕另外一區那新建場館的預算還沒有編列吧我印象中新建場館的預算還沒有編列"},{"start":13576.181,"end":13576.201,"text":"時間暫停"},{"start":13604.484,"end":13627.865,"text":"你請李清楚你講的答非所問內容不一來重新倒帶吧請做說明到目前為止我們修繕的進度如何新建場館的進度如何應該這樣講就是我們第一區已經修好了現在我們要開始修第二區對那我們邊的預算是包括修第二區跟新建場館的規劃對"},{"start":13630.687,"end":13633.509,"text":"您嚇我一跳耶,您是什麼都沒有的嚇我一跳"},{"start":13648.641,"end":13649.422,"text":"您要解釋這個本席聽到要並行都要"},{"start":13672.377,"end":13686.607,"text":"所以我希望我們的指標跟目標我們要專案去嚴格管控好不好因為這個是我們現在很重要很重要的一個點我們的進度我們也會隨時追蹤那也請部長這邊把你們預估的KPI的流程時程向下請"},{"start":13693.211,"end":13693.531,"text":"委員會委員會委員會"},{"start":13723.151,"end":13724.352,"text":"比如說我就拿漫畫來講好了"},{"start":13740.467,"end":13765.285,"text":"我們漫畫開始有大概2018年開始有輔導金鼓勵大家畫漫畫由政府給錢之外我們現在編列一筆預算在翻譯漫畫成為不同的文字出國去那的確到目前為止跟過去比的話台灣的漫畫可以賣到全世界各國的比例比過去高但是還不夠那這有時候我三任之後心裡非常著急覺得要做的"},{"start":13766.986,"end":13792.221,"text":"你談到這裡我插了你的話這個就是我們的共同點這是我們非常有的資產而且非常好全世界都喜歡我們的漫畫人才非常的多在這個部分我們要怎麼樣去協助經濟讓他們都能夠正如你說的增加國際的競爭力在我們的外交產業的這個部分不要只有一成就太浪費了這個必須讓政府"},{"start":13794.042,"end":13794.403,"text":"新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞"},{"start":13811.705,"end":13812.926,"text":"謝謝楊瓊英委員我們有請徐富奎委員質詢"},{"start":13845.254,"end":13847.971,"text":"謝謝主席 我們有請李部長有請李部長"},{"start":13852.746,"end":13875.711,"text":"徐委員你好 部長午安 部長大概兩年半前我們的屏東的老館定 蘇貞昌前院長他去看了我們的恆春古城那當時有跟文化部有合訂了一個4.3億的一個修復古城的一個案子然後預計是今年底要完工 那請教部長目前這個案子的進度"},{"start":13876.741,"end":13890.728,"text":"目前其實我自己還跑了一趟那個恆春古城去看整個目前的狀況其實修葬的狀況非常好那能不能2024年完工目前的工期如何我想請這個文字局局長報告"},{"start":13893.201,"end":13917.999,"text":"徐委員現在目前我2024大概沒有辦法完工他原因是真正我們做下去之後城牆上面的那個馬道挖下去我們可以說直接講金玉其外敗絮其中整個的裡面需要修復的時間比我們預期的狀況更加糟糕而且花的時間可能要更長一點但是我們還是這個是一個那目前預估我們的期程大概什麼時候可能要到2027"},{"start":13920.261,"end":13944.02,"text":"要再三年的時間對因為這是一個國定古蹟而且範圍2.6公里那我們有四大計劃城牆的修復還有整個交通的改善還有環境景觀工程這又涉及到周邊居民都是民宅我們的協調要跟民眾這個花了非常多的時間就是跟我們原先預期的真的是在時間上差距蠻大的"},{"start":13945.917,"end":13960.665,"text":"在這邊的話本期我們要提醒一下部長 這個明年是我們恆春建成一百五十週年 大家都要記住我們應該是可以局部開放參與這個一百五十週年 因為我自己跑了一趟才發現"},{"start":13962.517,"end":13984.94,"text":"﹚議員："},{"start":13985.08,"end":14010.736,"text":"平東建成一百五十周年我們文化部一定會全力配合包括這個古城局部開放好部長那另外本期這邊也有跟我們的這個鄉親有一些意見包括我們有一些身障的一些朋友他們坐輪椅想說要去繞的時候可能有一些無障礙設施的規劃要改進另外針對鄰近是不是有相關的一些公廁設施的部分是不是可以一併納入來規劃"},{"start":14012.057,"end":14030.395,"text":"是我上次去看就在考慮那個神經障礙跟廁所我們上次去就是這些問題要把它解決可能有幾個地方有好幾個地方可以選擇對要一併來規劃啦是因為有些附近有些人潮比較多的地方對可以結合一下地方的廟宇或是一些景點來做一個規劃是"},{"start":14032.017,"end":14034.178,"text":"其實這是最 我們面臨到最困難的問題 我想請文字局局長回答"},{"start":14052.085,"end":14076.344,"text":"整個在工程上面如果涉及到民宅的部分我們是做溝通協調那有一些是我們希望涉及到他的土地的部分能夠跟他溝通他願意讓我們來做的話我們會優先來做那其他部分我們持續溝通再後續再來做因為這個不克服其實對這個修復股產是一個很可惜的一件事情因為我們周邊有一些景觀的綠美化一定還是要用到一些"},{"start":14077.125,"end":14102.892,"text":"．"},{"start":14102.892,"end":14104.233,"text":"謝謝徐副委員接下來我們有請郭國文委員質詢"},{"start":14135.588,"end":14138.809,"text":"謝謝主席有請李遠李部長好有請李部長郭委員你好部長好部長剛剛許委員提到台南的部分台南400不論是從400的角度或從1264的角度都有它的意義的存在不過台南之所以會有它的整個台南學的一個基本的一個風範其實來自於它文化資產的保存非常的好"},{"start":14160.396,"end":14181.366,"text":"那因此本席對於文化資產的保持相對而言有一定程度的重視譬如講我在財政委員會當中我會特別去考察這棟建築物是傅朝欣老師非常非常稱許的一棟建築物是屬於合作金庫但是偏偏這些金融機構也好國營事業也好政府機關也好他們雖然有擁有這麼多的"},{"start":14183.187,"end":14196.108,"text":"文化資產但是卻不能好好的保存我就想藉由教育文化部長能不能從院的高度或從部的一個角度來說來思考一下就公部門當中最擁有文化資產的部分要如何去進行保持有沒有部長請"},{"start":14197.455,"end":14225.909,"text":"其實我們在文資局裡面編的最多預算就是屬於這種全台灣各地的這種文資可是它的產權有些屬於是私人的有些屬於我們無法去干預的那我舉一個例子好了沒有私人的問題就是以過去最早期的這個關務署當中有一個溫泉招待所後來它就變成一個育成中心本期就至少會看過兩次討論過結果他們告訴我的答案就是沒有錢"},{"start":14226.889,"end":14242.243,"text":"他這一個溫泉招待所位於北投地區當中呢是超過120年就我理解的部分應該是最久的可是卻是荒廢最久到現在為止啊原文資的身份據我理解都還不定還沒有被確定那"},{"start":14242.583,"end":14268.6,"text":"到現在為止考察完三年之後呢他目前為止還只編了明年只有250萬要進行修復那根本不可能的事情那至少一般預估大概一億之多可是他就是有那麼高價值的文化資產可是卻沒有任何一個公務機關有任何一個辦法來進行保存你不覺得這很諷刺嗎部長有些單位他的那個管理單位是在地方政府有些土地我跟您講的都是中央政府中央政府對"},{"start":14270.407,"end":14286.159,"text":"所以我要請您就任部長你來能不能從文化部的一個角色當中就中央政府當中我們一直期待民間要保留一個文化資產就費盡所有心思為什麼中央坐擁這麼多的文化資產的寶山而讓他在那邊荒廢呢這沒有道理嘛不是嗎部長"},{"start":14287.478,"end":14305.059,"text":"國有財產署當中省紀部之前已經有提過一些糾正所以說國有財產署已經把非公用文化資產344處當中用6年的時間要花8.5億元同樣的方式你不能複製在其他的單位當中來做這樣的一個努力嗎部長有沒有可能"},{"start":14309.54,"end":14326.814,"text":"其實我們的文資局的預算只要你多編一點給我我就可以我再說的部分不是只有你討論文資局的預算我是說你部的高度你應該有那個使命政府的文化資產跟你應該都息息相關你不能用部會的角度來思考這個問題"},{"start":14328.255,"end":14347.989,"text":"我是不是可以請文字局局長回答我不用了我沒有時間了那個請你會後給我一點時間我最後跟您就這樣一部分本席在台南的地區是位處於這個曾文熙的一個沿岸南北岸曾文熙的沿北岸從最右邊的這個那個左鎮化石文化園區到"},{"start":14350.766,"end":14368.887,"text":"山上水道博物館以及你們中央給預算的這些文化資產園區那以至於到西邊的一個研博館等等周遭的整個博物館群是相當豐沛但是都留意各點各點的一個經營即便南科區的一個史前博物館南科分館的部分也是都如此啊"},{"start":14369.267,"end":14383.808,"text":"並沒有管管串連或大管帶小管的一個跡象也就是說這裡頭缺乏一個總體一個專案的概念過往你們曾經有做過一個歷史再造的一個經費但是歷史再造經費當初呢是用"},{"start":14384.189,"end":14384.209,"text":"部長．"},{"start":14401.741,"end":14416.943,"text":"完全是因為我來之後我想要推出100個文化基地的概念就跟這個完全一樣就是同一個區域有好幾個點然後把它整合在一起然後我們固定辦活動這點我完全認同"},{"start":14418.564,"end":14431.153,"text":"謝謝部長的認同這個聚落的概念還有一個帶重的概念的可能性在你未來的整個施政的過程當中能不能落實這非常重要而這一條戲當中其實有三個面向來可以做思考第一個他有無形的文化資產票銷翁準燒黃船"},{"start":14434.416,"end":14456.011,"text":"還有一個考古的路徑這三個這種分配性如果能夠形成整個臺南的一個文化的複度性一來可以創造一個新的可能性二來可以減壓臺南是目前一個光光的壓力跟資源分配跟平衡的發展有沒有可能不長有沒有可能列入專案的考量"},{"start":14456.771,"end":14457.452,"text":"接下來我們有請王宏威委員質詢"},{"start":14491.226,"end":14494.894,"text":"謝謝主席,我請李遠部長。我們就請李部長。"},{"start":14501.735,"end":14524.105,"text":"啊不長在我們台北市的時候啊也是影視音學校的啊校長所以對影視音應該也有一定的了解那我現在呢就要告訴部長一件事情這個當然是在你啊就任之前發生的事大家都知道就是一個電視劇淩日戰爭哈"},{"start":14526.926,"end":14553.52,"text":"在我們的文化部的黑潮計畫拿了大量的補助但是呢這個臨日戰爭的拍攝公司臨日文創他的資本額120萬而且是去年5月份才成立的那麼大概在去年的年底他就可以確定可以拿到這個補助"},{"start":14554.727,"end":14578.193,"text":"而問題是我們這個黑潮計畫它的執行時間應該從今年才開始所以我在這邊要提醒部長的是這個是在你就任之前所發生的事情我擔心的是這個案子你看這個整個的軌跡是不是很像操司2.0版"},{"start":14580.283,"end":14597.627,"text":"過去我們有出現資本額200萬的小吃店可以去承包我們政府的這個採購案快篩劑的採購案我們也可以看到50萬的超市成立沒有多久立刻就可以拿到標案那現在也同樣啊這家公司成立短短"},{"start":14604.984,"end":14619.62,"text":"為了拍劇才成立然後馬上就可以拿到我們文化部超過7000萬的補助而且這家公司他的背景真的陣容非常堅強顏色完全正確"},{"start":14624.141,"end":14629.664,"text":"包含超新城董事長還有我們民進黨不分區立委沈伯陽他顧問還有之前當過我們文化總會秘書長的李厚慶這樣的陣容強大而讓他可以在這麼短的時間這樣子一成立可以打敗其他的公司拿到7000多萬"},{"start":14649.926,"end":14663.136,"text":"部長我想你在這個業界你也都知道拿政府的標案非常不容易啊其實後來也有很多人來跟我反映就是要來去申請這樣的標案東問西問東問西問東審西審東審西審最後拿不到標案"},{"start":14669.981,"end":14684.146,"text":"我們整個黑潮計畫在台劇內容升級計畫是4.8億但是最後補助了超過5億我跟你講文化部常常這樣子啦預算都是假的預算說4.8億然後最後補助超過5億但是我剛才講到的這個臨日戰爭拿了超過7千萬另外有一個台北創造電影公司拿了8千萬"},{"start":14697.33,"end":14709.895,"text":"你叫這兩家公司啊就把這4.8億的三成通通拿走啊你讓其他的台聚的公司台聚的團隊情何以堪啊預算4.8億前兩名獨佔額頭就拿了三成的金額是怎樣其他的很差嗎他們最棒棒嗎"},{"start":14724.662,"end":14733.271,"text":"所以部長我提醒你喔當時超時的時候不管是陳吉仲或者陳俊濟部長都說沒有問題絕對沒有問題現在他們都不敢講話了啦"},{"start":14737.611,"end":14760.28,"text":"所以這個案子你要去了解因為黑潮計畫還在執行也許換了一個部長可能有不同的團隊可以比較能夠得到青睞另外跟部長講的是這個寧日戰爭他不但是我們的黑潮計畫給他了7131萬國發基金他也拿了4100萬"},{"start":14766.963,"end":14781.735,"text":"整個拿到政府的比例之高都將近到50%了所以我要講的政府資源非常有限而且我們還是給文化部編這麼多的錢這麼多的錢去集中到極少數的公司合理嗎台劇只有他這一個嗎那其他人要拍的時候錢到哪裡去了呢"},{"start":14790.734,"end":14809.486,"text":"所以部長請你能夠我是因為說你現在上任的時間並不長啦也半年了好好瞭解一下這個案子等到它被辦的時候啊當然因為這不在你任內啊但是你就不要重蹈覆轍好不好"},{"start":14812.528,"end":14838.523,"text":"剛剛委員講說我辦過電影學校我不但辦過電影學校我還在中央電影公司工作8年拍了100部電影所以對於電影的這個行業我非常懂其實電影跟超市部長針對問題講一家公司再給你20秒通常我們一家公司為什麼要一片公司是找了十幾家投資公司只好成立一家公司大家把資金擺進去等到片子拍完之後賣完了"},{"start":14838.823,"end":14855.457,"text":"好 所以你現在要幫他背書是吧我不是背書我只是解釋說你認為他那個公司的錢很少不是因為他是用很少的錢去騙很多的錢是因為我們的電影產業的殘袋就是這樣子他是為了拍片他的占比有沒有問題4.8億兩家公司拿了三成走"},{"start":14863.303,"end":14887.179,"text":"因為我們目前資助有11家公司剛剛您講那個10後就是潮熱員的公司11家公司拿我們的錢這家公司只不過是11家裡面其中一家一家公司拿那麼多所以今天你講很好你多講一點他就成為記錄有一天他出現問題的時候就像陳吉仲跟陳俊記幫超司背書一樣"},{"start":14889.093,"end":14906.216,"text":"你就幫他背書吧。你們的錢真的太多了。太腐爛了。好,謝謝文宏威委員。部長請回。我們接下來有請翁曉琳委員。翁曉琳委員。翁曉琳委員不在。接下來我們有請陳廷飛委員質詢。謝謝主席。我們請部長。有請李部長。"},{"start":14920.39,"end":14920.611,"text":"陳委員好"},{"start":14921.978,"end":14940.289,"text":"部長我想你剛想講的因為我也是學電影在學校裡面有學過電影所以其實電影產業真的是不同戲劇產業也不同所以我相信這跟超市真的不同剛剛我們的部長應該是要這麼說因為每一個產業它有不同的一個做法那其實為什麼我們要鼓勵這些電影產業的一個這個他們的產製"},{"start":14951.115,"end":14972.01,"text":"就是因為沒有我們加入到這個力量的時候我們沒有辦法去製作出一部好的戲劇電影都是如此所以我相信在整個我們黑潮計畫裡面我們要做的也是能夠把我們好的戲劇好的電影把它發揮出來"},{"start":14973.211,"end":15000.616,"text":"所以我們更需要給他的力量然後力量之後當然有投資者就願意下一步的投資這就扶植那你沒有讓他先看到光跟熱未來哪一家公司願意去投資所以繼續不要因為說有任何的一些質詢壓力然後好像改變了我們對於電影產業文化的支持部長加油那另外一個部分就是說"},{"start":15001.994,"end":15026.018,"text":"部長你應該記得我在議會院會的時候已經有跟你質詢過就是我們臺語文化園區應該落腳在哪裡那麼我舉了幾個優勢就是說在我們臺灣歷史博物館他目前他就是我們文化部所屬所以沒有任何問題 對不對我們從過去"},{"start":15032.54,"end":15058.897,"text":"就是一直存在著只有一個在彰化是我們的台語文化園區但是我們找不到第二個甚至我們國家語言法通過之後我們更需要有台語文化園區正是我們政府來協助的所以我們如果要尋尋覓覓的時候我們何不就找我們自己文化部現在既有的園區然後做結合"},{"start":15060.612,"end":15087.609,"text":"如果台語文化園區跟歷史博物館做結合我相信那是最圓滿的然後在這個歷史博物館它的土地範圍總共有20公頃第一期跟第二期它僅開發的面積就是所謂的有建築物也才5.5公頃所以我們是有足夠的場地是可以使用的第三個優勢是"},{"start":15089.249,"end":15109.478,"text":"土地沒問題了然後又是我們文化部自己的那就可以馬上編列預算啦所以我覺得我不知道我們文化部還在猶豫什麼而且部長你不是在上次我諮詢的時候你說你要下去看一看那結果呢"},{"start":15111.516,"end":15138.651,"text":"部長去看過了嗎我一起回答好嗎好其實我最近去了兩個地方一個就是您剛才講臺灣歷史博物館因為他要又有另外一個新建計畫是他想要蓋非常漂亮二期我去看了然後我也特別跑了一趟彰化的那個周金玉跟姚家文前輩他們所辦的那個彰化的在八卦山的那個台語園區對我也去參觀了去了解"},{"start":15140.151,"end":15161.158,"text":"臺語園區能做的那個能量對所以我想我會列入考慮但是因為要成立一個臺語園區他不是那麼馬上一喊就可以我本身涉及到不是只有預算喔他必須還有公共建設計畫等等當然對所以我我都看過了只是我還在看要怎麼往下做"},{"start":15162.406,"end":15189.289,"text":"對部長我們要做後期的規劃一定要啦臺語文化園區不可能說好像我就丟了一個東西在裡面不是我們要給他精神要給他能量是一定的可是我們要先確認土地如果我們先遙遙無期或是漫無目的不知道我文化園區要設在哪裡我們怎麼進行第二階段我們第一階段先要尋找好的地點"},{"start":15190.464,"end":15214.426,"text":"所以好的地點就是要有一個所謂串聯性當我們鼓勵大家來我們的歷史博物館同樣的可以來到台語園區這個叫共榮共存是一個非常好的區塊然後才是我們怎麼賦予台語文化園區一個價值精神跟它的定位"},{"start":15215.546,"end":15234.313,"text":"所以我為什麼會跟部長討論說我們是不是應該先確定他可以在哪裡有地點才有後續的規劃才有所謂的價值跟定位所以部長你會不會覺得台語文化園區其實在台灣歷史博物館是一個不錯的地方"},{"start":15235.202,"end":15235.362,"text":"委員會主席"},{"start":15256.616,"end":15257.056,"text":"謝謝陳委員時間差不多了"},{"start":15277.182,"end":15277.442,"text":"謝謝陳庭菲委員 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