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紀念日及節日設定的文化社會與歷史意涵我國原住民族的文化底蘊豐富源源流長各族與部落依照季節時令地理環境與宗教信仰從傳統狩獵與農耕的遂時生活模式自年初到年中發展出多元的祭儀文化透過部落族人共同進行祈求致敬致謝慶祝或祭祀"},{"start":2908.496,"end":2927.31,"text":"從而體現各族的文化內涵並發揮文化傳承已經促進族群團結的社會功能依照憲法徵修條文第10條第11項國家肯定多元文化並積極維護發展原住民族語言及文化政府為支持原住民族人返鄉傳承文化記憶"},{"start":2928.444,"end":2955.405,"text":"在紀念日及節日實施辦法第4條第6款將原住民族的稅時記憶列為民俗節日並因依法放假一日放假日期之參據則由本會參酌各該原住民族的習俗公告在紀念日及節日的設定對勞工權益的影響的部分為了保障原住民族人向事業單位或僱主申請原住民族稅時記憶並落實依法給假或休假"},{"start":2957.045,"end":2966.352,"text":"依據《勞動基準法》第37條及39條規定內政部所定應方假至紀念日及節日僱主營餘休假且工資造給"},{"start":2967.475,"end":2995.018,"text":"原住民族的稅時基於休假至100年推動契金 同盟大院委員的關心以及勞動部合作鎮定宣導 越多的事業單位由被動配合轉為主動向員工提醒此項休假的權益 而且逐步帶動族人返鄉傳承文化之意識風氣然而本會陸續也接獲勞資雙方反映的一些實務問題 主要影響到原住民族勞工權益的太陽如下"},{"start":2996.88,"end":3019.459,"text":"休假日期或期間我國現存大概有740幾個原住民族部落可以申請休假期間現在是採族群別固定期間的方式公告不時有個別部落的碎石記憶活動非屬公告期間內之方稱難以判定是否給假造成勞工必須與之方協商"},{"start":3020.814,"end":3034.435,"text":"第二是檢據證明文件的部分現行方式為原住民員工申請時得檢據身份證明文件為人有僱主提出指向休假權益旨在增進族人返鄉參與部落祭儀活動"},{"start":3035.199,"end":3063.673,"text":"故鄉員工所取活動證明等相關事項第3有關配偶無法給假參有族人反映因為配偶畏懼原住民身份無法給假夫妻二人難以共同前往參與歲時祭儀降低族人返回部落之意願恐難以達到歲時祭儀給假推動文化傳承之目標以及立法的目的在第3大點就是有關紀念日及節日的設定各族群的意見因各族的紀念文化具有"},{"start":3064.301,"end":3091.262,"text":"具有其舉行的實典﹑實程序以及步驟本會履獲原住民族人普遍反映放假日數不足﹐難以完整傳承再者﹐多數族人現居都會區﹐單就往返家鄉或部落﹐守在地及其半日或一日的車程放假日數影響族人參與的意願另外﹐關於非原住民族國人亦有向本會表示"},{"start":3092.251,"end":3120.909,"text":"雖同列為國定民俗放假節日原住民族碎石記憶架竊給原住民族人獨具之權益恐加深族群間的隔閡對立與歧視另為了推動全民原住民族教育全民黨能各擇定至少一族的碎石記憶給架將能創造全民原教之時間與空間透過原住民族碎石記憶給架落實全民原教的目標最後"},{"start":3121.516,"end":3142.753,"text":"本會作為原住民族政策統合機關而且為了實踐全民原教的精神以上的說明本會屬於勞資雙方原住民族人以及國人反應之實務問題敬請大院委員及各位專家學者先進提供寶貴的意見使機關行政作為得以精進且利於後續修法作為的參與以上的報告 謝謝好 謝謝我們接下來請經濟部王專門委員歡迎報告"},{"start":3175.465,"end":3190.201,"text":"主席、各位委員、女士、先生大家好臣等各位委員會員邀請經濟部就紀念日及節日實施條例草案提出報告說明如下請委員不吝私教主要分三個部分來報告第一部分是"},{"start":3190.802,"end":3206.796,"text":"有關法衛界的提升現行的紀念日及節日的放假日數及廉價補假相關規定是依內政部定辦的紀念日及節日實施辦法來辦理有關大院黨團及委你將紀念日及節日實施辦法法制化"},{"start":3207.777,"end":3233.31,"text":"提升規範位階作為全國放假的依據經濟部尊重主管機關及大院的職權與決定第二部分對於經濟發展的影響現行全國性紀念日及節日的放假日包含開國紀念日、國慶日、和平紀念日、春節三天、民族掃墓節、端午節、中秋節、除夕節、兒童節等等總共有11天此外,上有原住民、碎屍祭儀、勞動節及軍人節等"},{"start":3235.311,"end":3250.421,"text":"分別放假一天 各委員對紀念日及節日放假日數的提案少者13天 多者18天 多於現行的放假日數且本草案明定紀念日及節日的放假日逢例假日應補為連假"},{"start":3252.422,"end":3275.61,"text":"7月於國定假日若要維持生產營運故主需依勞基法第39條規定除正等勞工同意外工資應加別發給我國製造業以出口導向為主大多數企業之生產排成需配合國外客戶需求若放假日增加企業未準時交單勢必得藉由員工交辦來因應"},{"start":3277.25,"end":3284.272,"text":"委員．上午9時．上午9時．上午9時．上午9時．上午9時．上午9時．上午9時．上午9時．上午9時．上午9時．上午9時．上午9時．上午9時．上午9時．上午9時．上午9時．上午9時．上午9時．上午9時．上午9時．上午9時．上午9時．上午9時．上午9時．上午9時．上午9時．上午9時．上午9時．上午9時．上午9時．上午9時．上午"},{"start":3299.938,"end":3316.543,"text":"生產事業成本工商廠銷運作交通及生產事業加班工資金融結匯海關進出口通關等諸多事項若予以增定對企業的產能全球經濟及臺灣經濟競爭力皆會產生影響第三結與經濟部向來秉持經濟發展與勞工權益並重的理念建議本案應與勞資團體進行充分的溝通協調"},{"start":3328.186,"end":3342.79,"text":"審慎橫走並有待更進一步的討論及凝聚共識以共創勞資雙贏以上報告敬請各位委員支持指教謝謝好 謝謝接下來我們請勞動部李專門委員移宣報告"},{"start":3356.175,"end":3380.062,"text":"主席各位委員女士先生今日的公聽會勞動部能有機會應邀列席深感榮幸請提供勞動部的意見說明如下第一為了使勞工能夠比照公務人員實施週休二日以縮減其工作時間從105年1月1號開始勞動基準法的法定正常工時上限從每週的"},{"start":3380.862,"end":3402.37,"text":"每兩週的84小時 縮減為每週40小時同時也修正了勞動基準法第36條規定勞工每7日中應該有兩日的休息其中一日為例假 一日為休息日使勞工能夠在每週內有兩日的休息對於增進勞工的福祉應該有助益第二"},{"start":3403.05,"end":3420.104,"text":"為了配合週休二日政策以及落實全國國定假日統一放假勞動基準法第37條也修正為內政部所定應放假之紀念日、節日、勞動節及其他中央主管機關指定之應放假日均應放假"},{"start":3421.965,"end":3444.371,"text":"整體而言現行勞動基準法以確保每一個勞工都有週休二日的權益連同五一勞動節在內的12天國定假日勞工每年可以休假日數是116天至於國定假日是否要再增加是屬於全國一致性的事務勞動部尊重主管機關內政部以及今天大家討論的結果謝謝"},{"start":3448.922,"end":3452.657,"text":"好 謝謝我們接下來請教育部黃副處長紅軍報告"},{"start":3466.96,"end":3486.919,"text":"主席 各位委員 各位女士先生今天大院第11屆第2會期內政委員會邀請教育部列席並就紀念日及節日實施條例草案公聽會提出報告請說明如下 敬請各位委員指教有關紀念日及節日之放假涉及人民權利義務及生活作息且攸關辦公時間 工商企業運作"},{"start":3489.662,"end":3511.472,"text":"本更側面的問題內政部前為推動紀念日及節日法制化制定紀念日及節日實施辦法作為全國放假的參據現行紀念日及節日實施辦法所定孔子誕辰紀念日系考量教育史上孔子象徵有教無類因才施教之外事施表典型原定9月28日孔子誕辰紀念日為教師節"},{"start":3513.018,"end":3541.026,"text":"以紀念至聖先師其教育精神足作為教師之典範並發揚尊師重道優良傳統提振教師專業精神此紀念日及節日之定定有其歷史意義及價值令立法委員高金素美等18人擬據紀念日及節日實施條例草案立法委員吳麗華等17人擬據國家紀念日及節日實施法草案及立法委員牛雪婷等22人擬據紀念日及"},{"start":3542.006,"end":3555.933,"text":"結日實施條例草案等提案將祖父母節列為節日之一考量祖父母節系教育部為倡導家庭世代互動共學喚起各界對於親情、孝道及敬老尊賢倫理道德的重視"},{"start":3557.29,"end":3572.918,"text":"自99年起推動並自100年起將每年8月第4個星期日定為祖父母節至於本項議題涉及紀念日及節日實施辦法相關規範那教育部尊重該法規主管機關內政部及大院的決議以上報告謝謝"},{"start":3579.045,"end":3585.029,"text":"最後一個單位報告是請行政院人事行政總署將專門委員美方報告"},{"start":3594.586,"end":3612.24,"text":"主席 各位委員 各位先進 大家好那本總署就紀念日及節日放假法制化提出以下的報告 敬請各位指教現行的紀念日及節日的放假規定是依照內政部所訂定的紀念日及節日實施辦法辦理"},{"start":3613.281,"end":3632.14,"text":"該辦法已經明訂了全國紀念日及節日的名稱放假日期及放假日逢例假日應與補假為了利於政府行政機關上班日及放假日的安排有所依據並彈性調整上班的日期行政院之前在102年有訂定了"},{"start":3632.62,"end":3656.161,"text":"政府機關調整上班日期處理要點在不變更全年應放假總天數的前提下明定政府機關調整放假及補行上班日期等事項該要點在112年5月25日的時候因各界的建議有做修正已經降低了補行上班的次數來落實週休二日的議職"},{"start":3657.282,"end":3676.023,"text":"至於各位委員提案將紀念日及節日放假規定提升到法律的位階來明定各類紀念日及節日的放假方式、彈性調整放假等規定因為涉及國人的生活作息而且攸關工商企業的運作、產業營運的成本"},{"start":3679.346,"end":3685.148,"text":"交通運輸調度以及金融節惠股市交易等問題因為涉及的層面甚廣本總署將配合內政部來審慎研議以上報告 謝謝"},{"start":3698.84,"end":3718.76,"text":"其他單位的報告請自行參閱並刊登公報我們接下來我們就請專家學者發言我們按照初期簽到的順序我們第一位我們請中華電信工會理事長紅秀龍理事長發言"},{"start":3728.677,"end":3754.071,"text":"主席、各位委員、各位與會人員大家好我是中華電信公會理事長紅秀榮很高興今天來這邊表達針對我們紀念日及節日的實施條例的一個公聽會做個說明公會的立場非常感謝各位委員的提出裡面的架最好每天都放"},{"start":3755.962,"end":3777.275,"text":"為什麼呢?因為勞工一肚子怒火從以前延續到現在今天的架為什麼讓勞工那麼生氣?因為政府結合資方欺負勞工從哪裡可以定定的?2000年就是民國89年的時候政府修正公務人員服務法"},{"start":3778.274,"end":3798.922,"text":"明定週休二日 但是授權行政院跟考試院去訂定相關的辦法的時候就是工人週休二日實施辦法結果裡面就砍掉7天假理由是要全國一致然而我們都知道工時的縮短是世界的潮流"},{"start":3800.373,"end":3825.362,"text":"政府為了在世界上能夠跟人家平起平坐維持尊嚴推廣週休二日這是美意但是不能騙人家你今天實施週休二日又砍人家的架是錯的到了民國105年2016年政府要修正勞基法的時候竟然又說了四個字全國一致"},{"start":3826.733,"end":3855.073,"text":"結果呢是向下沉淪所謂全國一致是勞工週休二餘後應該恢復公務人員的七天假對不對而不是幹掉勞工原有的七天假這叫全國一致那叫向下沉淪這大家先知道所以今天我們公會的立場政府因為要向下沉淪A走勞工的七天假要還給勞工"},{"start":3857.179,"end":3877.691,"text":"那我又來說明一下為什麼他要A走這7天假因為他說因為週休二日勞工會積欠僱主104小時這是笑話難道修法再進步就是積欠僱主嗎是不是不是因為如此他A走了這7天假之後我們勞工的上班時數"},{"start":3887.113,"end":3905.99,"text":"在世界各國家裡面我們算是很高的全世界大概前6名亞洲大概是僅次於新加坡我們的上班時數連日本韓國我們都贏不過連日本多先進工時1600個小時台灣呢要2008個小時"},{"start":3912.076,"end":3932.192,"text":"人家呢國定假日16天台灣呢12天基於這種種呢我們會感覺到政府在砍價的時候還有意識形態你要意識形態你就去做阿你幹嘛咧砍勞工的價你可以改名字就好了為什麼砍勞工的價我們舉例來講你所謂的全國一致性那請問全國在勞動節有放假了沒有"},{"start":3940.336,"end":3966.732,"text":"有沒有 沒有老公有放假 那應該全國放假第二 教師節 那教師很辛苦哩教師是不是領薪水的教師是自己出錢開學校嗎 不是不是的話 那為什麼教師節教師不能放假是不是 是不是該放假 是所以很多假齁 都是意識形態改的既然是意識形態改的 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謝謝"},{"start":4464.476,"end":4467.78,"text":"紀念日及節日實施條例草案所牽涉的層面廣"},{"start":4479.874,"end":4502.261,"text":"各方不同立場不同意見立法院7位委員提出預計排案前特別辦公聽會聽到各方不同立場不同角度、廣泛意見今天的公聽會"},{"start":4507.644,"end":4522.335,"text":"民進黨、國民黨、民眾黨推派專家學者或民間代表公聽會聽到各方各面不同角度、不同立場的意見劉許廷委員"},{"start":4534.305,"end":4556.044,"text":"謝謝主席首先我們要感謝徐新寅召委費心安排促成今天這個紀念日與節日實施條例草案的公聽會這個今天來自各方的不同意見要火力全開血流成河也好或者是要溫文儒雅這個理性討論也好都可以"},{"start":4556.644,"end":4575.864,"text":"因為公聽會是一個各方能夠暢所欲言的場合我們也希望透過這樣的一個場合充分收集各界的意見來有效的推動後續立法的這樣子的一個進度所以再次感謝也感謝各界先進的踴躍出席這些今天大家的發言都會成為未來我們在修法的過程討論的重要參考"},{"start":4578.266,"end":4591.612,"text":"本期政委這次的修法主要討論三個面向第一節日與紀念日的意義第二對於勞動大眾的幫助第三對於經濟層面的影響紀念日跟節日涉及一個國家民族對自己文化歷史脈絡的彰顯"},{"start":4594.173,"end":4620.579,"text":"這個當然例如我們中華民國傳統文化本來就是我們生活的日常同時啊它也是國家發展歷程中有重大的歷史事件跟指標意義的時候必須予以紀念這本來也是國家發展不可或缺的一環在中華民國民主化的過程中也有很多值得紀念的地方我們的原住民客家人新住民的族群文化特色在近年也越來越受到重視跟發展因此啊"},{"start":4620.999,"end":4649.857,"text":"透過法律來表彰各個族群或是國家歷史來用節日的方式來規範其實是從民主憲政的高度對於國家肯定多元文化政策的具體落實換言之紀念日與節日的實施啊它值得一步法律的慰藉因此本席提案之外也會以開放的心態來面對個別紀念日跟節日的討論第二討論今天最重要我想也是最多人關心的對於勞動權益的影響"},{"start":4651.65,"end":4673.738,"text":"紀念日及節日的設定除了剛剛的文化傳承意義之外因為假日的天數會直接影響勞動權益及經濟發展現行中華民國的國定假日一共有12天相較於南韓的15天日本的16天顯著不足台灣的勞工總工時按勞工報告高達2008小時全世界排名第6"},{"start":4674.958,"end":4696.235,"text":"很多人會講歐美的國定假日天數比我們少但是我要提醒大家歐美的特休假天數遠勝台灣當初在修正這個推行週休二日的法制化推動所謂的一例一休的時候配套粗暴地刪除了七天的國定假日看似平衡但其實大可不必"},{"start":4696.835,"end":4725.75,"text":"特別是當初以辦法跟行政命令這樣一個位階完全沒有辦法在立法院有實質的討論一旨行政命令就對勞工造成重大衝擊因此當初周修二是法治化的美意不幸淪為勞基法修二的惡名而勞工朋友的創傷到今天為止依然存在因此我們主張討回七天假他只是還給勞工公道這是我們早該做也是在野黨必須要完成的使命"},{"start":4726.73,"end":4745.568,"text":"因此本席也主張剛剛有很多人講怎麼落實到底應該怎麼做本席主張透過《國定假日法》字化的角度來處理就是因為在過去我們授權雙方自行協商或者是給予充分彈性的時候勞工往往是弱勢的一方從立法上來做管理"},{"start":4746.269,"end":4746.289,"text":"公聽會議"},{"start":4761.986,"end":4784.617,"text":"過勞工時過長的勞工可以因為放假天數的增加而得到喘息的機會而部分基於這個服務樣態而必須出勤的勞工也會因為這個勞基法39條規定工資照給法定有薪假的機制設計不但不會減少工資還能夠因為出勤而有雙倍工資的待遇"},{"start":4785.237,"end":4808.45,"text":"所以對於勞工來講這是一場穩贏不輸的賽局希望各界的勞工朋友站出來為自己的權益發聲最後我們要談及有關經濟的影響誠然台灣的出口競爭力等等在過去討論勞資等等爭議的時候都被拿出來討論但我要提醒產業也不純然只是製造業服務業也是產業"},{"start":4809.55,"end":4833.613,"text":"觀光旅宿也是產業零售銷售也是產業我們台灣的勞工往往是有時間賺錢沒時間花錢這難道不會影響我們內需的經濟嗎這難道不會影響資源的流動嗎透過合理的增加放假天數不只是讓該喘息的勞工有時間喘息也可以把過去累積的成果能夠犒賞一下自己吧"},{"start":4834.053,"end":4836.256,"text":"中小企業、服務業是另外的商機、機會嗎?幾方權衡後,難道不會透過妥善協商達成真正的勞資雙贏嗎?開放的態度來面對"},{"start":4854.355,"end":4883.555,"text":"本期提這個法案的修法重點其實就是增加放假的天數雖然在紀念日跟節日的意義上我們用開放的心態來討論在彈性休假等等的安排上面我們也會廣大各界的意見用開放的心態來討論但我們不希望這些討論的肢解影響放假天數的數量所以我們希望今天在公聽會之後各界能夠快速的達成共識盡快的來安排法案的實質討論也更加希望"},{"start":4884.235,"end":4884.875,"text":"臺灣工人鬥陣總工會理事長何鎮嘉理事長"},{"start":4912.11,"end":4923.782,"text":"主席好 還有以及各位出席的委員還有列席的代表 大家好我是台灣公民鬥陣總工會理事長何振嘉首先先感謝委員的召集讓我們"},{"start":4924.844,"end":4953.256,"text":"老公團體有這個機會可以在這邊發表意見從勞工整體分配縮減工時及國人期待廉價的角度我國政府應該要增加國定假日政府若認為一口氣恢復七天國定假日對產業衝擊過大也應該朝逐年或每兩年恢復一至二日的國定假日的方向來前進那以下"},{"start":4954.755,"end":4979.583,"text":"本人就三方面來進行報告第一回應產業衝擊與中小企業影響當年民進黨政府堅持要在推動一例一休的同時刪除七天國定假日的原因其中就包括在縮減工時的同時要兼顧產業衝擊與中小企業影響然而工會認為"},{"start":4981.704,"end":5010.609,"text":"這件事得從我國經濟成長與受僱人人員分配的角度來看依據主計總署統計從我國101年至111年經濟成長與GDP的分配面結果的趨勢可以明顯看到近10年來我國整體經濟持續成長的同時分給世界單位的營業營餘占比也是持續上升"},{"start":5012.691,"end":5032.391,"text":"但受僱人員報酬的占比卻是持續在下降顯現整體經濟獲利的同時分配給勞工的部分越來越少同時以國際比較來看我國在2021年受僱人員報酬占GDP為43.1%美國則有53.5%"},{"start":5037.557,"end":5060.816,"text":"日本也有53.2%甚至南韓都有46.7%因此無論從我國GDP分配的歷史變化或者是近年國際的比較來看我國受僱人員的勞動條件絕對都還有提升的空間無論是工資或者是休假的部分第二為了縮減工時"},{"start":5062.93,"end":5080.258,"text":"接下來臺灣雖然已經實施一例一休週休二日但是根據統計資料的比較我國仍然是屬於高工時的國家勞動部日前在公布國際勞動統計臺灣去年就業者平均每年工時為2008小時在39個主要國家中排名第6名根據資料顯示"},{"start":5089.843,"end":5102.211,"text":"39個主要國家排名第一名的為哥倫比亞2381小時其次為墨西哥2335小時排名第二第三為新加坡2293小時"},{"start":5105.173,"end":5115.876,"text":"與亞洲其他國家比較總工時也僅次於新加坡韓國則以109小時排名在台灣之後日本則為1626小時顯示台灣相較於高工時過勞著稱的韓國日本也都是高工時的狀態"},{"start":5124.618,"end":5150.496,"text":"這樣的統計可能還不足以反映因為S123求職網農聯社處新生與職場幸福指數調查的結果顯示臺灣勞工有64%擔憂工時過勞還有五成七的勞工曾經先下班打卡再繼續加班的經驗等於是無酬加班"},{"start":5153.281,"end":5180.128,"text":"臺灣勞基法在1984年上路2000年所致政黨輪替後對於工時制度還引發激烈的抗爭最後採取雙週84公尺到了2016年為了要因應40公尺政府與僱主團體合謀砍掉7天國定假日再次引發激烈衝突也就是說臺灣每16年就要因為工時議題而引發勞資矛盾"},{"start":5185.117,"end":5207.322,"text":"以及重大衝突所以我們為什麼不能反著路也就是說政府有共識每兩年增加一兩天的國定假日一方面讓這個勞工可以逐步的增加休息時間也不會讓雇主衝突性覺得成本提高第三民眾對廉價的期待"},{"start":5209.181,"end":5231.662,"text":"對於臺灣民眾來說因為國定假日的不足年續假日可能得要老天決定因為以今年為例最後一個政府宣布的年續假日早在6月的端午節就放完了是10月份我們依靠了颱風假才多放了一次連假所以真的是靠老天決定"},{"start":5233.188,"end":5251.935,"text":"以明年114年來說臺灣僅有6個連續假日分別是農曆春節、二八連假、清明連假、端午、中秋和國慶連假相較之下日本有9個臺灣勞工對於連續假期是期待的只要看"},{"start":5253.342,"end":5271.901,"text":"人事行政總署公布的行事曆之後有多少新人血如何請假最划算就可以看到雖然說連假未必是越多越好但是因為臺灣每年幾乎只有6個連假所以非常容易造成民眾安排旅遊"},{"start":5273.476,"end":5273.656,"text":"主席"},{"start":5304.428,"end":5310.434,"text":"好 謝謝我們接下來請中國醫藥大學通識中心助理教授 劉佑學教授"},{"start":5318.212,"end":5343.364,"text":"主席 各位委員還有各部會的長官還有與會的學者專家各位先進 大家早安我是中國醫藥大學通識教育中心的助理教授 劉佑學我想這次的修法最具爭議的應該是到底要放什麼假以及到底要放多少天當然這兩者有可能互相牽絆"},{"start":5344.758,"end":5365.108,"text":"那麼我今天就從這個工作時間跟休假的角度來談談關於後面那個問題就是關於日數的問題的一些看法前面許多先進都有提到台灣工時過長的問題那當然有提到這個比較世界各國的總工時"},{"start":5366.584,"end":5394.997,"text":"那過去勞動部其實一直會說因為我們國家的這個部分工時太少的關係所以我們的總工時會被高估所以其他國家工時低是因為他們的部分工時的工作者比較多那我們為了避免這樣的一個統計數據上的爭議我們把主要全職的受僱勞工的每週經常工時拿出來看可是即便我們把這個數字拿出來看以後你可以看得出來"},{"start":5396.479,"end":5417.17,"text":"台灣在跟世界主要的國家來比較我們的工時還是比其他國家還要來得長那也比OECD這個國家的平均都還要來得高那麼過去其實我們經常會提到一個概念也就是說工時的長短其實跟你的休假息息相關"},{"start":5418.683,"end":5441.394,"text":"那接下來我就讓大家來看一下臺灣的休假日在世界上大概佔什麼樣的位置剛才其實許多先進都有提到這個其他國家的國定假日的日數比我們多那其實也不是只有國定假日的日數比我們多而已我們連特休假都還輸給主要的國家所以如果你從這張表我們把"},{"start":5442.625,"end":5462.159,"text":"法定最低特別休假也就是你年資滿一年你就會拿到多少天的這樣的一個各國的法律規定加上各國的國定假日加起來以後你會發現台灣只有19天在世界主要國家裡面敬佩莫作"},{"start":5463.32,"end":5464.761,"text":"中文字幕提供"},{"start":5483.919,"end":5499.09,"text":"那就這個特休假來說那一定也會有非常多先進會說那我們是不是應該討論特休假要不要增加的問題當然這個我也支持這也是可以討論的問題可是我們就現在來說到底特休假能不能落實"},{"start":5501.249,"end":5506.533,"text":"從過去歷年來的勞動部公布的統計數據來看訪問了4000多名的受僱勞工你會發現這些受訪的勞工裡面他們的特別休假平均天數是12.7天如果我以2019年為例的話"},{"start":5521.445,"end":5547.175,"text":"可是它真正能夠放到假的只有8.4天換句話說我們把這個使用率算出來的話大概只有六成到七成不等那其中有一年 其中兩年特別高我想跟疫情有關係那很多的公司可能公司行號可能沒有這個營運又或者是因為剛好這個工作跟家庭小孩也放假的關係所以特休才在這兩年特別被使用到"},{"start":5548.515,"end":5575.625,"text":"後來隨著疫情結束以後特休的使用率又降下去了所以從這個層面來看我們即便有特休假可是放到的機會並不多那更何況有三成的勞工大概不知道自己有特休假的存在我覺得這是在落實層面上非常非常大的問題那從日數來看我們比其他國家來得少然後在特休假的部分又沒有辦法放到我想這是目前我看到最大的一個問題"},{"start":5576.769,"end":5597.716,"text":"那最後的三分鐘我來講一下我的結論我想國定假日是可以發揮這個承載國家記憶、文化價值或避免重蹈覆轍歷史錯誤的一個作用可是就我看來國定假日其實還可以扮演提升國人福祉平衡工作跟個人生活或促進家庭融洽的這樣的一個功能"},{"start":5598.456,"end":5620.151,"text":"特別勞動部在另外一份的報告裡面其實也有指出非常多的工作家長都認為陪伴小孩的時間過少可是要怎麼樣讓這個小孩跟這個家長可以同步都享有這個天倫之樂其實國定假日是一個非常好的選擇因為兩邊都同時休假特休還不一定那麼"},{"start":5621.804,"end":5647.809,"text":"過去2016年我們曾經針對這個工作時間進行改革剛才許多先進都有提到不過我們從後來的往後的幾年的數據來看其實降低工作時間的效果非常有限那一般社會大眾對於這種每週的這種縮短工時其實相對無感那同時我們跟其他國家來比較我們的剛才給大家呈現的資料我們也看到我們每週經常工時也相對來得高"},{"start":5650.022,"end":5654.926,"text":"二、我國特別休假及國定假日日數低於其他國家"},{"start":5665.086,"end":5686.44,"text":"那麼再加上特別休假的使用率偏低確實臺灣的受僱勞工面臨的是休假權力保障不足的問題所以最後我認為國定假日的好處是國人可以擁有共同的生活節奏職場跟學校可以配合得起來僱主比較不會刁難就臺灣的現況來說國定假日是大家比較放得到的"},{"start":5687.492,"end":5711.299,"text":"特休其實有時候需要配合公司的安排也要經過僱主的同意我覺得這比較不容易那國定假日從現狀來看是多數勞工比較可以擁有享用到的這個權利那落實放假的可能性其實比較高那我基於以上這些原因跟理由我想我是支持國定假日的日數應該要增加的以上 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節日是在禮拜二或是禮拜四的時候他主張是就是前一天就要放了我們在上課的時候也發現這個問題很大好像今年的是不是中秋節還是哪一個節對對對然後就有學生跟我的課在禮拜一嗎就跟我請假了那你說這個他請這個假你要給不給啊"},{"start":8566.374,"end":8591.466,"text":"不給不通人請啊對不對因為剛好前面又是禮拜六禮拜天他可能就回家去了嘛所以像這樣來請我都全部放我都全部給這樣的問題是在課堂上就的確是可能有幾次上課他就沒有辦法這個聽到所以我就覺得這是很奇怪所以我也跟賴委員一樣如果是二市的時候節日在二市的時候這個放假日在二市的時候那禮拜一跟禮拜五其實應該要彈性調整"},{"start":8593.227,"end":8593.668,"text":"《紀念日實施條例》"},{"start":8609.225,"end":8609.466,"text":"中文字幕 李慧琼"},{"start":8629.046,"end":8629.948,"text":"中華民國國定假日"},{"start":8646.61,"end":8650.253,"text":"或是光復節 台灣從日本手上再回頭來 結果我們也不承認這件事情 難道我們是日本的什麼什麼嗎"},{"start":8672.95,"end":8673.41,"text":"中文字幕 李慧琼"},{"start":8704.511,"end":8727.81,"text":"台灣其實長工時這種過勞的狀況非常嚴重這其實也不利於脂肪如果你每一天都這樣子然後疲憊的不得了然後你隔天要再去公司工廠去工作的時候你的工作效率是不會是很好的或是這個國際上的非常多的文獻也看出來了如果你每天的工作時間是長過這個8個小時10個小時12個小時它的效率會遞減"},{"start":8729.531,"end":8754.098,"text":"對於這個企業經營絕對不是好事情那就更不要講說臺灣我們現在也看到好臺灣有非常多的就是大概55歲以後就提早退休了為什麼會提早退休因為身心負荷不了身心負荷不了那這其實對很多這個企業來講他恰恰好是這個企業已經是mature非常成熟的這個資深的這樣的一個員工結果他因為身心負荷不了"},{"start":8754.458,"end":8755.219,"text":"中華民國全國總工會秘書長 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因為在我應該算是勞工代表比較後面幾個可以講的所以說大部分的內容其實我們前面的幾位勞工的前輩都已經提到這邊就不再多講"},{"start":8823.527,"end":8850.758,"text":"全種的立場上也是支持所有在場勞工代表的立場跟訴求也是一樣是希望能夠增加勞工的國定假日就最少要恢復到7天那少掉那7天一定要恢復那另外一個其實也感謝我們所有在場每一位其實我們現在在這個公聽會我們為的都不是自己都是為了我們為了大家為了下一代所以我們都努力在做而且都花費很多時間"},{"start":8853.099,"end":8869.787,"text":"全總這邊除了第一個是增加所有勞工的國定假日至少回復7天之外另外一個就是還要全國一致性的放假不能說有些人放有些人沒放尤其是剛剛那個劉教授有提到說就是關於教師的部分其實教師他們五一勞動節應該也是要放假因為這還牽涉到"},{"start":8874.65,"end":8876.352,"text":"主要有這兩個訴求那另外關於前面有幾個前面也提到說關於假日會不會影響到經濟發展其實"},{"start":8892.349,"end":8919.897,"text":"多放假會不會影響到經濟發展其實我們可以觀察其他先進國家他們放假的天數比我們多他們的薪水比我們高但是他們競爭力也是比我們強所以說你說用那個什麼我們要提升競爭力的方法絕對不是用增加工時來提升競爭力這是我們的訴求那另外我們增加假日呢其實增加假日如果說我們尤其是廉價的部分你增加廉價其實大家可以觀察到一件事情就是說大家流動會高"},{"start":8920.657,"end":8920.677,"text":"公聽會議"},{"start":8937.385,"end":8963.598,"text":"所以除此之外我們有大致上看過這個所有的那個委員提案的內容主要是在裡面最大的差別是在於說我們要決定哪些價該放所以全總這邊中華民國全國總會是我們台灣歷史最悠久的公會那也下面有42個會員公會那我們會員人數也佔了全台灣勞工加入公會人數的一半以上所以我們就趕快緊急做了一個調查那個調查的問卷"},{"start":8964.979,"end":8977.967,"text":"那個結果就在上面目前的調查還在持續當中那目前已經收集到最新的數據是已經收集到500份的問卷那我們可以看到說我們主要填寫問卷的人都是男生比女生多然後我們再往下一點就是關於"},{"start":8981.879,"end":9001.178,"text":"年齡區間的話因為工會年齡層都會比較大一點所以關於20到30歲這個區間的數據我們比較難以收集這個部分可能另外要請政府這邊多聽聽年輕人的聲音那其實我們大部分都在30歲以上所以30歲以上的族群分佈其實蠻平均的都大概落在20%、30%左右"},{"start":9003.881,"end":9016.759,"text":"關於他們的薪資收入其實都蠻平均的我們設定一個Range最少是從明年的基本工資往上來看我們再往下一點就是關於"},{"start":9018.155,"end":9047.086,"text":"關於那個我們把所有委員提案還有一些價別把它列上去去做初步的調查我們歸類出來就是大家覺得最應該放的前幾名第一個就是小年夜再來就是勞動節再來就是元宵節再來就是元旦隔日還有臺灣光復節還有中元節然後比較特別的是聖誕節也是在前十名以內那聖誕節相對來講就是我們的也是形現紀念日我覺得這個也是可以去考慮來放假的"},{"start":9047.591,"end":9073.566,"text":"然後另外一個有趣的就是 下一個就是父親節我們相信因為填寫問卷男生比女生多 對父親節的比例稍微高了一點所以 但接在父親節後面就是母親節了所以這個是我們做過 對於我們42個會員工會的所有會員去做過一個初步調查那大部分填寫這份問卷的人都是我們工會的成員那只有少部分大概1%左右是非工會成員 但是他們是勞工"},{"start":9075.083,"end":9076.91,"text":"那再來我們再往下一個就是說"},{"start":9079.729,"end":9105.947,"text":"其實我們有特別問了大家就是關於我們現在10天的國定假日裡面你覺得哪些是需要紀念而不放假的那當然大家都希望能夠多放假但是我們可以觀察一個比較特殊的情況就是說特別有選出來就是228和平紀念日只紀念不放假的會稍微多一點然後再來就是兒童節因為我們現在有父幼節然後兒童節放假但父母沒放假那家長有一些接送問題那一些可能要考慮進去的"},{"start":9106.907,"end":9131.909,"text":"最主要就是這三個假期三個結果那我們再往下一點就是說你贊不贊成我們如果說禮拜二跟禮拜四用放假那一跟五用補休補課的方式是否贊成那我們現在目前其實上面的數據看起來是很接近的但是如果以我們現在目前目前來看的話如果說以500分文件來看的話贊成"},{"start":9133.452,"end":9133.733,"text":"主席"},{"start":9145.24,"end":9171.687,"text":"第四個問題是關於我們因為前陣子關於週休三天的問題我們特別利用這份問卷稍微做了一個調查其實勞工部分也是贊成週休三天的會比較多我們設定問題上的前提是把國定假日都取消但是我們週休三天支持的人比反對的人目前看起來是還要多當然有一些特殊意見是覺得說可以週休三日但是春節"},{"start":9172.987,"end":9173.167,"text":"主席"},{"start":9201.937,"end":9208.503,"text":"好接下來我們請民傳大學法律系教授兼法學院院長劉世豪院長"},{"start":9228.437,"end":9247.469,"text":"主席還有各位委員以及各位在場的先進各位女士各位先生大家早安非常高興也非常榮幸受我們大院的邀請來這邊提供有關於紀念日及節日實施條例草案的公聽會提供意見"},{"start":9249.101,"end":9272.057,"text":"基本上我對於大院那麼多的委員關心這個議題把它提升作為一個法制的一個位階我基本上是非常欽佩因為紀念日跟節日的實施不僅對公部門跟學校有影響對私部門工作的人民也會發生權利義務的關係的直接影響"},{"start":9273.258,"end":9290.018,"text":"按照我們法律當中中央法規標準法第5條第二項的規定如果是涉及人民權利的一個法律來講的話要嘛就必須要有法律的授權比如說我們勞動基準法很多規定說由施行細則來做定義或規範"},{"start":9291.24,"end":9315.417,"text":"那麼我目前的這個紀念日跟節日的實施辦法它並沒有明確的法源那而且它涉及的很廣泛全國人民來都適用所以基本上把它定位為法律的位階來講的話我樂見其成特別在這個討論時間當中把過去有些節日跟假日忽略的"},{"start":9316.258,"end":9328.617,"text":"或是我們覺得應該去做調整的根據我們國家的核心價值還有我們的文化、歷史甚至於宗教、民俗的傳統"},{"start":9330.015,"end":9358.917,"text":"都可以一併的做考量所以基本上我非常欽佩大院那麼多委員提出了七組不同的一個案件都表示大家對這個議題非常關心也仿照像美國、日本、德國跟英國他們都用立法的方式來建立所謂的法律的一個制度來確立國定假日的一個規範那麼我們以德國為例"},{"start":9360.694,"end":9371.092,"text":"德國的聯邦以及各邦對紀念日跟節日都有立法權目前德國全國放假的國定假日當中有9天"},{"start":9372.239,"end":9400.687,"text":"如果是在天主教多數居民的各邦他通常就有比較多的一個宗教性的節日比如說我們常常看到最近開始有啤酒節了那麼是德國主角喝啤酒就是在這巴伐利亞邦那麼德國聯邦的9天假日外巴伐利亞邦他還有另外多出4天的宗教日所以如果巴伐利亞邦來講的話他的國庭假日總共有12天"},{"start":9402.086,"end":9427.925,"text":"其中有一個城市叫奧格斯堡市多出了一天叫瑪莉亞生天日這個城市就13天的一個國定假日假日來講的話我們可以用這個表給各位做參考像元旦、主顯日、耶穌受難日、復活節的星期一還有國際勞動日5月1號這些都屬於聯邦的假期"},{"start":9428.726,"end":9448.751,"text":"耶穌升天日是法法利亞邦特有的聖靈的降臨節是聯邦的聖體節是法法利亞邦獨有的瑪利亞升天日這是奧克斯堡市特有的德國統一日是聯邦的國定假日萬聖節是法法利亞邦"},{"start":9450.191,"end":9471.663,"text":"聖誕日也就是12月25日跟隔一天都是聯邦的放假日期所以德國全德都放假的國定假日有9天那麼各邦以巴伐利亞邦來講他多了3天的假期那奧格斯堡來講的話再多一天的瑪利亞生天日"},{"start":9472.971,"end":9498.111,"text":"如果今天我們大院通過了這個紀念日跟節日的辦法提升為法律位階那我們現行的勞動基準法37條就可能必須要做調整修正目前的文字是內政部所定應方價之紀念日、節日、勞動節日那這個時候就會變成必須要依照我們所定出來的紀念日及節日條例"},{"start":9499.993,"end":9521.234,"text":"其他中央主管機關因指令放假之日是比如說根據我們的選罷法在選舉罷免或複決等期間當中那天的日子來講通常也是放假所以由勞動部來講會發布那天也是所謂的假日那就不用出勤但是工資來講的話是繼續照付"},{"start":9523.556,"end":9550.83,"text":"那麼現行勞動基準法規範當中總共有12天的假期我想我就不多說了但是我們原來剛剛有許多工會的先進提到說有7天假那麼這個7天假在早期的時候有放那麼後來經過不斷的修法之後一下放回去一下就拿出來總共有7天的假期是哪7天呢第一個就是元旦的1日也就是1月2號"},{"start":9552.231,"end":9570.88,"text":"還有就是革命先烈紀念日 以前我們也稱叫青年節還有就是孔子誕辰紀念日 又稱教師節還有就是台灣光復節 先總統蔣公誕辰紀念日 國父誕辰紀念日以及剛剛許多委員跟先進所提到的行縣紀念日這7天"},{"start":9571.94,"end":9597.237,"text":"不過我必須要還原一下這7天來來往往的過程當中是為什麼會有這樣的一個情形首先我們有19天假定在我們的施行細則當中的23條首先開始的是在民國86年6月12號修正勞動基準法施行細則的時候確定了有總共有19天的休假"},{"start":9599.826,"end":9620.897,"text":"當時的例假日有52天當時沒有所謂休息日特別休假我舉例當然特別休假規定很多如果一個勞工他工作兩年以上未滿三年的情況之下他就是有七天休假所以在民國86年的時候帶薪的休假日總共有78天"},{"start":9623.032,"end":9649.694,"text":"到了91年民進黨第一次執政的時候那麼希望把工時下降所以從本來一週工作48小時調整為每兩週工作84小時當時來講的話例假日仍然是維持52天國定假日19天特別休假也沒有變所以當時來講的話帶薪的休假日仍然維持78天"},{"start":9651.315,"end":9676.431,"text":"到了104年12月9日當時修法的時候仍然是維持52天立假日但是把當時的國定假日修改了變成12天再加上民國100年的原住民稅時記憶所以當時來講雖然工時下降了但是我們所謂的代薪休假只剩下71天再加上原住民的稅時記憶"},{"start":9678.132,"end":9699.82,"text":"到了105年是民進黨執政了民進黨馬上把特別休假回復到 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謝謝主席那各位與會的官員還有專家學者們大家午安今天公聽會的主題其實是由本院幾位同仁他們有提出相關的修法條文那目前我雖然沒有提案可是我還是想要來分享一些重要的概念希望後續在寫相關的法案的時候可以作為相關的參考"},{"start":10922.248,"end":10940.829,"text":"第1個相關主題在之前的司法委員會就已經安排過但是從上一次到這一次其實大家都沒有提出我等一下要談的英國的Bank Holiday或者是美國日本的Happy 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